i feel like, since lilith was so independant and capable the parents kinda stopped "caring" about her after a certain age. its terrible but it happens...:'/
Indeed, parents forget even if a child is independent they still want to know their parents actually care about them. Thinking otherwise just develops a complex, and that's never healthy.
It seems like it, they may have thought keeping after her like they did Eda, would have regressed that independence or that she didn't need it because she was so self sufficient at such a young age, not realizing that it only served to make Lilith feel like she was not good enough for her parents attention like Eda was
It was still no excuse for her actions. Let's not forget. She cursed her sister for eternity, hurt her family, endangered a child, and served a corrupt person, while being corrupt this whole time. She is not innocent and her problems with her parents should not have been an excuse. You all should not forgive her. The same goes for the show's characters.
Lilith: “Mother wasn’t even at my coven initiation,” Later we find out that being a part of the emperor’s coven meant having little to no contact with your friends and family. Now I’m starting to think Belos gaslight the poor woman into thinking her mom just didn’t want to show up
Maybe that was part of the reason. Remember in season 1 episode 19 Lilith said she meant for the spell to take away Eda's powers for a day. That was so she would have a better chance at getting in the coven. She probably thought getting in the Emperor's Coven would finally get Gwen to give her love and attention. But no, it backfired.
@@sparkybraincell2159 yeah maybe, i also felt like lillith have this problem before thecurse when i saw the episode, like gwen kinda favorite eda without knowing it was hurting lilth
Considering that Eda gouged out her father's eye when she was a child during an Owl Beast episode, now it makes sense she wanted her mom to stay away from her
Observation: We've learned in this episode that Gwen is a part of the beastkeeping coven. We also saw just how quickly she was able to soothe her two daughters in their beast forms. What if...she was the solution all along? Not a cure, but a way to cope without elixir. She did what the others couldn't in moments: found their souls lost within the owl/raven beasts. All the two women needed was someone to love them at their worst and best.
When Lilith in her beast form started crying, I just- wha- that actually kinda hit me somewhere, even though I never had something like that happen to me-
Why are Lilith’s lines so heartbreaking even when it isn’t intended to -“I was a bit surprised when I saw you here today” -“then why were you so easy to curse?” (Jk I know it was meant to be a sad line or whatever) -“Mom visits Eda regularly?” -“it doesn’t matter how dutiful or successful you are, parents just won’t give you the time of day”
Lilith spent her whole life in Edas shadow, their parents doted on Eda cause Lilith was capable and self sufficient. They pushed Lilith away and made her feel undeserving. Lilith projected this onto Eda and after cursing her, the resentment only grew more cause again, their parents doted on Eda even further. Lilith wanted desperately for her parents to show her they cared, she wanted the love she never got as a little girl.
What if ice cream is the equivalant of alcahol in rhe boiling isles like that time in spongebob when spongebob didn't get a promotion and ate ice cream
Probably trying to rush a little i mean that could be it the creator did say there's a chance season 3 was just gonna have 3 episodes because of something something and she said we could mail a letter or something to extend it or she needed more ideas
I get where lilith is going, my father was never really in my life. A part of me alway wanted for him to change and be in my life, but now I do not care about that as much. I have a step dad that gives me the fatherly love i need and want.
I like how they didn’t make the mom oblivious of how Lilith was feeling for the entire show, making her villain-like. She sees the error of her ways and makes an effort to change it.
Lilith not getting enough attention because her mother is focused on curing the curse she placed on eda is the funniest thing. She created her own problem
@@herelies.yuniceTrue I also think that Eda has undiagnosed ADHD and that's why her mom and quite possibly her dad was too busy dealing with her but lilith was quote on quote "fine" to need much attention
Lilith: "don't worry, we can be pen pals" *walks away* Hooty: 🥺🥺🥺🥺 Hooty 5 second later: *has a breakdown* Hooty: "BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HOLD A PEN!" 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
She was 14 and thought it was for a day lmao give her some sympathy at least she tried to apologize for the bs she caused unlike *cough cough* amity the TH-camr
@@krishnagupta8503 that was a bs apology. She apologized mainly for boscha and her group’s doings but never hers, and obviously the first scene with her and willow HAS happened before/ Lillith did something that she thought would last for a day but it just happen to end up having an effect for all eternity. Keep in mind she was A LITTLE KID and the whole time she worked alongside emperor belos to capture eda, she was trying to help her curse. Yes, not the best way and she should have told eda, that I can be angry at. But have you ever considered years of neglect ent from hee mother because her mother never KNEW about the curse up until this episode. Then afterwards, tried hard to regain the trust from the owl house family. She even split the curse between eda and herself so eda could suffer less and she could experience the pain for herself. Difference between lillith and amity is that lillith as much as did such a horrible thing, spent the whole time in the show secretly owning up to it. Amity (and boscha and her group I suppose) bullied and belittled willow for years intentionally, but lillith fucked up one time and caused a huge mess. I think you need to rewatch the owl house to realize how much of a difference the two characters actually developed. Amity developed around luz, became more firm and stood up to her parents, but what did she do for willow? Not really that much when you realize. Heck, Lillith stood powerless against a horde of fire bees to get eda’s trust back. Here’s the thing with amity, she kinda did ruin willow’s life. You could bring up the subject of her parents as an excuse, but that would be dumb. Her main objective to distance herself from willow was to make sure she would keep her status clean, 1 and 2, to make sure willow got into hexside. Bullying people and being a cunt meanwhile her siblings are literally some of the chillest people ever shows that it was literally her choice to keep willow miserable. She’s a sweet character and all after her redemption but she has never really tried that hard to give willow the treatment she deserves. (Remember in that episode when amity uses willow as a venting pillow about luz like, right after they establish a friendlier connection? Yeah.. such a great redemption arc woo…) Anyways I wrote too much just seperate the character’s actions and thoughts with the problem they caused in the end, please just keep that in mind.
I have an unhealthy obsession with Lilith. Like legit, I'm a full on, cringy weeb simp. Like I never felt this way about a 2D character before, & I do have a list of waifus. However, I never had a problem keeping separating fiction from reality with any of them! I know what you're thinking; "get a gf, touch grass or some other degrading insult." I'm thinking the same thing & I'm slightly ashamed I fell this far.
![[TOH Season 2] Lilith Clawthorne Being A Nerd](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/b3EfQkb6IMs/mqdefault.jpg)
"Are you my Mother? Because that's an awful lot of judgement."
Yeesh that's some intense mommy issues owo and it hit a bit too close
for me its my sister
Is it bad that I found that line at least a little funny?
Jajaja mis traumas mis chistes
Same
i feel like, since lilith was so independant and capable the parents kinda stopped "caring" about her after a certain age. its terrible but it happens...:'/
Indeed, parents forget even if a child is independent they still want to know their parents actually care about them. Thinking otherwise just develops a complex, and that's never healthy.
It seems like it, they may have thought keeping after her like they did Eda, would have regressed that independence or that she didn't need it because she was so self sufficient at such a young age, not realizing that it only served to make Lilith feel like she was not good enough for her parents attention like Eda was
Yep.
It happens so often, isn’t it a wonder movies and shows where the “independent child” becomes evil and jealous is so relatable?
It was still no excuse for her actions. Let's not forget. She cursed her sister for eternity, hurt her family, endangered a child, and served a corrupt person, while being corrupt this whole time. She is not innocent and her problems with her parents should not have been an excuse. You all should not forgive her. The same goes for the show's characters.
I get the feeling thats probably alcohol ice cream because the way Hooty said “Eda gets that from the nightmarket”
Yeah, it's definitely laced with something 😂
There is such a thing as wInE and yes sir i do drink a lot of it.
It's probably the equivalent of alcohol in thier world.
@@shadowwriter4538 alcohol ice cream is a real thing, I found out recently 🤣
@@alexandthebozos5488 I'm sorry but you're... a child
Pretty sure Lilith and King got drunk this episode-
With ice cream
She got an *8 year old* drunk
Yep. Ice cream from the Night Market XD They’re probably drunk or something
@@Rando_mIndividual that's what the night market is
They so did
Lilith: “Mother wasn’t even at my coven initiation,”
Later we find out that being a part of the emperor’s coven meant having little to no contact with your friends and family. Now I’m starting to think Belos gaslight the poor woman into thinking her mom just didn’t want to show up
I can see belos pulling something like that considering he's a scumbag
It would help make her double down on her work more
"Lilith was neglected just like the people who sent friend requests to me on discord and I forgot them" best description ever
Where is this in the video
@@mightbeahumanmaybe247 description
LOL
You monster !🤣
Hooty having actual brain cells this episode gave me life
I don’t think that’s a good sign 😨
I can see it now… the next episode will feature hooty moping around the house and being depressed for the whole episode
Something else happens in that episode…
@@therinsecityshow Yup
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"Bold move, sister."
@@therinsecityshow we didn’t get hooty being depressed but we did get Amity and Luz being ‘flustered’ (G A Y)
And now we got both of those things in ep. 8
*holy you just predicted the newest episode for the most part-*
I love how half of this episode was just a near 30 year old drunk on ice cream trauma dumping to a near 10 year old of which was also drunk
Pretty sure they're both older than 30.
Shes almost 50
Lilith and Eda are said to be in there 40's, with Lilith being a couple years older.
Lilith is cannonly somewhere between 46-48
HOW OLD DO U THINK 20-SOMETHINGS LOOK.
Hooty is never gonna stop eating icecream
How does his digestive track work, if he actually has one?
@@dylantennant6594 dont question the hooty
@@eijirokirishima.2569 don’t question the Hooty
@@Rando_mIndividual hooty
After porta-hoody I don’t want to know
1:09 good going, Lilith. You gave King daddy issues.
That's the ice cream talking.
@@alexisdominey6487 I know but still XD
Best comment in this whole comment section hands down lmao
@@alexisdominey6487 no wonder it’s from the night market
You gotta remember that king is also only _8 years old_
i felt like this is why lilith felt lie she need to curse eda
Maybe that was part of the reason. Remember in season 1 episode 19 Lilith said she meant for the spell to take away Eda's powers for a day. That was so she would have a better chance at getting in the coven.
She probably thought getting in the Emperor's Coven would finally get Gwen to give her love and attention. But no, it backfired.
@@sparkybraincell2159 yeah maybe, i also felt like lillith have this problem before thecurse when i saw the episode, like gwen kinda favorite eda without knowing it was hurting lilth
@@ginafesta9340 I agree!
@@sparkybraincell2159 im glad gwen wasnt like amity mom and she wasnt mad about lilith cursing eda
I agree and this curse, probably sensing Lilith’s resentment towards Eda, made things much more permanent.
Calling it: Lillith will lose the dye and have her red hair back.
@Mikhail Abraham That works, too.
I also think so
Spoiler⁉️⁉️⁉️
It’s been leaked that eda gets her orange hair back
Her hair starting to puff now
Well at her age it would probably be mostly gray. Lol
Well, boy do I something to tell you
Considering that Eda gouged out her father's eye when she was a child during an Owl Beast episode, now it makes sense she wanted her mom to stay away from her
Lilith for the majority of the episode was the physical embodiment of Mommy Issues
Nah why did Lilith have to do my man King like that 😔😔😔
In all likelyhood his father is literally dead
Because she is horrible. Taking her problems out on everyone else.
Yeah , I think he is definitely after finding the truth.
Observation:
We've learned in this episode that Gwen is a part of the beastkeeping coven. We also saw just how quickly she was able to soothe her two daughters in their beast forms.
What if...she was the solution all along? Not a cure, but a way to cope without elixir. She did what the others couldn't in moments: found their souls lost within the owl/raven beasts. All the two women needed was someone to love them at their worst and best.
Lilith wasn't held enough as a child
So was I and I turn out fine
@@littlemurdermachine6646 Your user name makes me doubt your words
@@Elienaisuper2 reminds me of when Hooty said “don’t worry, you taught me, and I turned out fine!” Before attempting to eat an insect
And Eda was held too much
The best part is Hooty’s visible concern 1:30
When Lilith in her beast form started crying, I just- wha- that actually kinda hit me somewhere, even though I never had something like that happen to me-
I feel bad for Lilith
Although I am sympathetic with her and wish her a happy ever after, I still cannot fully condone all the nasty things she did.
I feel bad for hooty
Why are Lilith’s lines so heartbreaking even when it isn’t intended to
-“I was a bit surprised when I saw you here today”
-“then why were you so easy to curse?” (Jk I know it was meant to be a sad line or whatever)
-“Mom visits Eda regularly?”
-“it doesn’t matter how dutiful or successful you are, parents just won’t give you the time of day”
Lilith spent her whole life in Edas shadow, their parents doted on Eda cause Lilith was capable and self sufficient. They pushed Lilith away and made her feel undeserving. Lilith projected this onto Eda and after cursing her, the resentment only grew more cause again, their parents doted on Eda even further. Lilith wanted desperately for her parents to show her they cared, she wanted the love she never got as a little girl.
This just makes me hate Lilith.
@CHINEDU OKAFO I hate Gwendolyn. Parental neglect has far reaching consequences and desperate kids do dumb shit
Did you know that the ice cream that eda buys has alcohol in it
I'm convinced it's just alcohol made into ice cream
What if ice cream is the equivalant of alcahol in rhe boiling isles like that time in spongebob when spongebob didn't get a promotion and ate ice cream
Heartbreak with shimmer tears
OH FUCK U RIGHT
Lilith better come back she’s one of my favourite characters
Bruh her shirt resembles everyone right now
We’re all on low battery
Yes
she was only at the owl house for like what, 3 episodes??? now she leaves???? this early?????? what????????????????
Probably trying to rush a little i mean that could be it the creator did say there's a chance season 3 was just gonna have 3 episodes because of something something and she said we could mail a letter or something to extend it or she needed more ideas
She's coming back episode 5
Her voice actor is listed for the next episode don’t worry
@@GrandeMixes huh?
Luz better help hooty write his penpal letters! Or otherwise I'mma be sad!
Well seeing the latest episode, it appears Hooty can actually write on his own lol
@@UnorthodoxIndividual after all, in his own words: “I am a GENIUS!”
Lilith had mommy issues and Eda daddy issues, what a lovely family
her parental issues provide a lot of background on the decisions she had made as a child.
Lilith is so relatable in this episode, my family just doesn't care how much I try
Hahahaa I didn't realize that King didn't notice Lilith was living with them, hhahaha, then Hooty and the pen thing got me in tears haha
Hahhahahaha!
"But I can't hold a pen" 😭😭😭
if this wasn’t a kids show the ice cream would definitely be replaced with alcohol LMAO
Lol of course😂🤣
I get where lilith is going, my father was never really in my life. A part of me alway wanted for him to change and be in my life, but now I do not care about that as much. I have a step dad that gives me the fatherly love i need and want.
Hooty may not be able to hold a pen, but he can still slam his head into a typewriter.
This episode made me cry, Lilith was a mood the entire time and made me realize how bad my feelings towards my mom are objectively
I just realised something. Eda’s mom was so good taming owl beast Eda and Lilith since she’s part of the beast keeping coven!!
"She gets it from the Night Market!"
Lines for the Older Crowd snuck into kid's shows is what I live for. Confimed: They got smashed.
I feel bad for laughing at the last part.
I like how they didn’t make the mom oblivious of how Lilith was feeling for the entire show, making her villain-like. She sees the error of her ways and makes an effort to change it.
This explains Lilith’s character so much!
I saw that and was like DAM POOR LILITH DIDNT GET ENOUGH ATTENTION
0:29 Luz and Lilith's faces are priceless.
I hope Lilith's story arc has Lilith go back to her red hair.
Well good news, she went back to red hair in S3
In 1:43 when Lilith says judgment you can see for a few frames front hair Lilith
0:26-0:29
Eda: _"Moms. Am I right?"_ 😏
Luz and Lillith: 😲😱
ngl watching lilly cry almost made me tear up.
3:29, "But I can't hold a pen!" that got me laughing hard hahahaha...
2:07 … are we gonna ignore the rectangle tub of ice cream that has teeth in it?
Lol, I was looking for Lilith talking to her mom from Warrior Nun, but I guess since I look up a lot of TOH, TH-cam assumed. 😂
"But I can't hold a pen~"
-Hooty's last Words to Lilith
Crying Lilith nuuuuu😭😭😭
“Mother visits edalyn,,,, regularly?” Absolutely shattered my heart
Lilith not getting enough attention because her mother is focused on curing the curse she placed on eda is the funniest thing. She created her own problem
How are you so sure she was neglected after the curse and not before 🤨? It’s possible it’s another reason she DID curse Eda
@@herelies.yuniceTrue I also think that Eda has undiagnosed ADHD and that's why her mom and quite possibly her dad was too busy dealing with her but lilith was quote on quote "fine" to need much attention
0:28 Those two were like, What!! XD
I felt so bad for lilth and related to her too
I feel genuinely bad for Hooty, he got his heart broken-
“But I can’t hold a pen!!”
Saddest anime moments
The look on Lilith and Luz’s face, hilarious 😂
I'm pretty sure King's dad is...ya know...gone for good...
They technically live on him
A lot of cartoons always portray eating ice cream = Getting Drunk. Spongebob did this same thing.
the way lillith smiles when her mom turns her attention to her in that first part :(
This is why Lilith is my favorite. She’s literally me.
so besides getting an inferiority complex, lilith has parent issues too?
yet eda is the unfortunate one?
0:28 Everyone's reaction to hearing that The Owl House is ending.
The way hootie said that he can't hold a pen is both sad and funny
Here lies Hooty's Hopes and Happiness, all Lost after his Best Friend Moves Out of the House...
“He…left me…ALONE!”
I wonder who gave him that idea.. 👀
Eda: hits moms broom
Luz: how the hell did she not die
Lilith: I wanted to see herrrr
Dude my mom's kinda like that and i'm an only child. I've never related to an episode so hard. I also have king's daddy issues lol.
Lilith: "don't worry, we can be pen pals" *walks away*
Hooty: 🥺🥺🥺🥺
Hooty 5 second later: *has a breakdown*
Hooty: "BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO HOLD A PEN!" 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
This is just like "Everybody Loves Raymond"
Eda is Ray
Lilith is Robert
And Gwen is Marie
Jees and I thought me and my siblings had the occasional moments in the parental issues department
Shit, the more time that goes on I relate more and more to lilith
Eda gets the ice cream from the Night Market?...well then that clearly must mean it's laced with booze
remember that Lilith is older than eda, that says everything
I'm 90% he's dead
Yes
Pretty much I just wish that their dad stepped in more. To balance things out.
Lilith
you are the reason eda has the damn curse
you should be happy your mom doesn't hate you!
She was 14 and thought it was for a day lmao give her some sympathy at least she tried to apologize for the bs she caused unlike *cough cough* amity the TH-camr
@@NeptuneHamster First
Amity did Apologized
Second
Amity did nothing that would ruin anyone life forever!!!!!!!
@@krishnagupta8503 that was a bs apology. She apologized mainly for boscha and her group’s doings but never hers, and obviously the first scene with her and willow HAS happened before/ Lillith did something that she thought would last for a day but it just happen to end up having an effect for all eternity. Keep in mind she was A LITTLE KID and the whole time she worked alongside emperor belos to capture eda, she was trying to help her curse. Yes, not the best way and she should have told eda, that I can be angry at. But have you ever considered years of neglect ent from hee mother because her mother never KNEW about the curse up until this episode.
Then afterwards, tried hard to regain the trust from the owl house family. She even split the curse between eda and herself so eda could suffer less and she could experience the pain for herself.
Difference between lillith and amity is that lillith as much as did such a horrible thing, spent the whole time in the show secretly owning up to it. Amity (and boscha and her group I suppose) bullied and belittled willow for years intentionally, but lillith fucked up one time and caused a huge mess. I think you need to rewatch the owl house to realize how much of a difference the two characters actually developed. Amity developed around luz, became more firm and stood up to her parents, but what did she do for willow? Not really that much when you realize. Heck, Lillith stood powerless against a horde of fire bees to get eda’s trust back.
Here’s the thing with amity, she kinda did ruin willow’s life. You could bring up the subject of her parents as an excuse, but that would be dumb. Her main objective to distance herself from willow was to make sure she would keep her status clean, 1 and 2, to make sure willow got into hexside. Bullying people and being a cunt meanwhile her siblings are literally some of the chillest people ever shows that it was literally her choice to keep willow miserable. She’s a sweet character and all after her redemption but she has never really tried that hard to give willow the treatment she deserves. (Remember in that episode when amity uses willow as a venting pillow about luz like, right after they establish a friendlier connection? Yeah.. such a great redemption arc woo…)
Anyways I wrote too much just seperate the character’s actions and thoughts with the problem they caused in the end, please just keep that in mind.
I dunno if Lillith should even be upset if her mom gets mad. Wouldn't have happened ed if her mom wasn't so neglectful
Nobody can surpass mommy issues more than *Steven Universe*
"BUT I CANT HOLD A PeN''
Me who for some reason died laughing from that
"what if it's just graffiti?"
Made me wheeze ngl
but... what if it is tho
They both got mommy issues in different ways
2:48 we need to protect that smile
I hug you
@@sarahardelet7548 thak u
Looking back at this after the finale is so sad because kings dad had to watch as he got so depressed from his absence
They used Ice cream because Disney would not allow Alcohool
"who didn't even stick around to see you hatch"
Yeaaah.....
About that
"I'm not going to him. He can come to me!!"
Lmao
"BUT I CAN'T HOLD A BE PENNNNNN" -Hooty
That made me laugh so hard
I love moody Lilith, but I also feel bad for her. She seriously needs some therapy.
I still can’t believe Disney is about to cancel the owl house soon
I have an unhealthy obsession with Lilith. Like legit, I'm a full on, cringy weeb simp. Like I never felt this way about a 2D character before, & I do have a list of waifus. However, I never had a problem keeping separating fiction from reality with any of them!
I know what you're thinking; "get a gf, touch grass or some other degrading insult." I'm thinking the same thing & I'm slightly ashamed I fell this far.
Why does Lilith remind me so much of Illumi?
0:29 This deserves to be a meme
I know you got mommy issues and I do too!
Hooty can just dictate to Luz! Problem solved.
is it bad that I relate to lilith
Papa titan has to have gotten pissed at Lilith after all the shit she said
NOW THE TITLE OF THE CLIP MAKE SENSE RIGHT💔🧙🧙♂🧙♀🦉🪶🍎🩸🪤🎬📽🎞🎥👎
I think someone accidently used a Depression potion or Depression Glyph on lilith and king
Preach!
For one frame long between somewhere 0:10 and 0:12 eda's stone turns yellow!
Good Catch!!