Storm Gentoo: A User-Friendly Calculate/Gentoo Spin?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- Storm Gentoo is a custom spin by Ben Fitzpatrick, based on Calculate Linux, which in turn is based on Gentoo.
As in my previous review of Storm OS, this is a nicely configured XFCE desktop that comes fully loaded with a plentiful set of applications. What sets this apart though, is its Calculate/Gentoo base.
Calculate Linux has been around for quite a while now and it describes itself as a user-friendly source distro. It uses the cl-update command as a front end to the portage tree, which does a lot of the heavy lifting normally associated with a vanilla Gentoo install. And in that sense it delivers. Installation is quick and easy and updated are managed through a graphical application.
However, there is still a time penalty compared to the likes of Arch and if I'm honest I struggled to see a use case for this distro, other than for those who like to tinker.
If that's you, go ahead.
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Gentoo Linux is the best Linux by a mile. Though some horsepower in your computer is needed to make compile times not last too long. And certainly it's not for beginners. You are faced with really steep learning curve, but after you survive that period, it becomes much easier than you could have ever imagined during that learning period. And after that you are never going back to anything else. Though most people switch back to some other distro after their first install of Gentoo, like myself, but a lot of those eventually come back to Gentoo as it's hard feel satisfied with anything else after you experience Gentoo long enough.
Juzu Juzu I imagine the problem is mixing polished configuration like say Mx Linux
I'm not 100% sure what you mean, but I have full Gentoo KDE Plasma on my laptop and it's really polished.
But those who prefer polished experience over performance and control should probably avoid Gentoo.
OTB's "not having patience" is something that clears away if one manages to withstand the learning period once. Sure you are not going to get packages installed as fast from sources, but you can just leave updates running on the back and continue with your work. Or just leave the update running when you stop using your computer, perhaps having it go into suspend or turn off after the updates are ready.
I experienced that same "not having patience" and only in my 3rd time trying Gentoo I withstand that period. And it really was a lot shorter than I thought. Updates really isn't the problem, unless you are running laptop, though powerful laptops handle updates quite fast.
TLDR: If you try Gentoo, don't give up. And if you happen to give up, don't feel afraid to try it again.
@Agnish Roy LFS and BLFS are way longer to install and you need to read a lot. Even a full Crux Linux with Xfce and the main apps is more difficult to install than Gentoo. Now for people who are afraid to handle a pure Gentoo from the word go they can install Calculate and once they feel comfortable with it they just need to edit some files and the profile and they will migrate to a pure Gentoo from Calculate.
Cheers
@@serge5046 Sorry to say that common users don't give a darn about the Gentoo (that doesn't mean that the Gentoo users are elite lol) or the substitute Calculate/ Redcode whilst they'd stick to love and hold the closed environment like Linux Mint and Elementary OS including some might likes it that s/he doesn't like to learn the new things or welcoming it otherwise remaining the same good old fella, BTW I'm still learning the Gentoo Linux, thanks.
Try funtoos undead USB install.
I went from Gentoo to Slackware, after 5 years with Gentoo
I'm running strom gentoo on my computer I love it and I run gentoo all the time
I've learn a lot on linux thanks to gentoo.
I realize I'm quite late to the video, but you may want to check the link in the description. It most certainly does NOT lead to an ISO.
Gentoo is THE distro that you should NOT consider using unless you have a great deal of experience and insight of the Linux distro landscape. That is to say, not for anyone who isn't prepared to tinker, but also requires an understanding of principles not required in day-to-day use of other - ANY, in fact - distros. That include "Archlinux", which is actually more similar to any other distro than a Gentoo based one. Gentoo is unique in just about every respect. Having said that, although I would not recommend to a new Linux user, if you have got your feet wet with Linux over a couple of years, and tried several Linux spins/distros, then a "Calculate" install would be feasible. Once you have it installed, and then added and removed those applications you want to have on your end running system, then the finished product is hard to equal. As you say, the 'cl-update' ran daily from within terminal will just keep your build fizzing along nicely. I seem to remember someone somewhere saying they had a Gentoo build on a laptop that was EIGHT YEARS good, and going fine - hard to match by any standard!!
I am not an expert by far, but have had great success and pleasure running Calculate. I have several videos on my channel outlining the install and use of Calculate; all still are good to refer to, as the world of Gentoo is not fast-moving as such!
So, in a nutshell:-
1 - get your preferred Calculate iso environment.
2 - install. I have a couple of prety clear 'Kiss' type videos.
3 - use 'emerge foo' to add your preferred applications. [Where 'foo' is the application!]
4 - use 'emerge --unmerge foo', and follow with, 'emerge --depclean' to remove any default applications you don't want.
5 - ENJOY!!! Then 'cl-update' once a day.
PS The beauty of calculate is that first port of call is to look for a binary within the calculate repos. THEN, if not avilable, it will pop over to the gentoo source repos and pull from there. Of course, if it does go there, then you are in for a long haul in the sens of installation time! Only really good hardware and good network connections need apply!!
Best wishes, stay safe. Oh, for anything else on Gentoo, I refer you to the mighty "SERGE" and the famous "ADRIAN LINUXTRICKS"...
Cheers Jim, I'll take a look at your videos
@@OldTechBloke Still loving your laidback take on things. You do get around and give everything a go, and don't do any rubbish as far as I can see. Best wishes, stay safe in these precarious times...
R.I.P Steve 😐
you can install calculate-linux and remove all its overlays leaving the pure gentoo , then emerge world and you have pure gentoo. I'm using calculate-linux on all my computers and I woudn't change it, the list of things that bother me in mainline distributions like ubuntu is simply too long. thanks for the review!
Mind telling me how to do that please?
@@florin-m4 just start with CL install. After you have functional system, take a look on how 'layman' utility works. Then you'll have an idea how to add/remove overlays you do/don't want to be part of your system.
do you know when the full release of strom gentoo will be released are any information about it
Sorry mate, Ben hasn't updated me yet, he's probably tweaking it
@@OldTechBloke thank you
I m using Calculate Linux based on Gentoo and it fast but they have some problem portage upgrade sometime error Because Gentoo make package faster then Calculate Linux.Gentoo Forums more active then Calculate Linux.But Calculate Linux is more faster make PC to gain same flavor Gentoo.
Looks nice.
Issue with Gentoo is the faster PC you have the better experience installing from sources. There doesn't exist processor which can rip through something like Firefox/Chromium in less than hours but even then for installation you can today use binary package (and even x86_64_v3 !!!) and installing whole system on modern computer takes rather quickly. Then when you already have system up and running you can rebuild everything while you watch YT videos or whatever. Slightly bigger issue is that Gentoo/Portage requires users to get to know the system to really take the advantage of it and it requires some time. For that reason I don't see any reason to try to make installation any easier than it already is. You save few hours on intallation but then miss some important knowledge which will be useful when repairing system. In fact most Linux users use easy to install distributions and their solution to everything is reinstalling system - reinstalling the system is almost never a proper solution. Not saying Calculate is wrong to make things easier - just saying Gentoo already isn't that hard to install and it already doesn't really need to take that much time.
Personally I find Gentoo the easiest distro to run. If something breaks you know where to look, because you put it all together. If Ubuntu broke I wouldn't have the faintest idea. Managing dependencies via flags keeps things fairly minimal - on Debian there were a million packages for same thing with different options - screw that. Applications can compile in one window while you do something else, choice of init system hell you can change the whole setup to musl if you want.
Strange idea of "user friendly" when even an experienced user, such as yourself, struggles to understand the installer. Not a great first impression. I don't think I'll be in any rush to try it. Thanks for being the "guinea pig" for us :)
Then why not give a trial on Redcore Linux.
Gerry, TBH, OTB made a pig's-ear of the install. Take a look at the KISS methods I describe in a couple of videos in my channel portfolio. My latest videos makes a bold statement that 'Calculate is the distro for everyone' - it really is....
It is simply too good to ignore. Best wishes, and stay safe...
being relatively inexperienced, this does not at the moment appeal to me in the slightest.
It seems to me that there are likely two types of users re Linux?
Those who want to use Linux and those who want to get inside Linux as well as use it?
Yes. I'm just a user.
My opinion if you want user friendly Gentoo tyr Sabayon
OTB pls do a review with a Sabayon you will like it
Are you sure? Ok I’ll ad to the list
@@OldTechBloke Back on the old days i was looking for a multimedia distro and Sabayon was the most i like , jus
t because you talked about the Gentoo based distro;s so pls don't let unattended.
@@OldTechBloke Sabayon is a Gentoo based distribution which uses systemd. It has a Debianesque package manager called equo from the CLI and Rigo for the GUI.
It is the less close to a pure Gentoo compared to Calculate and Redcore. The closest is for sure Calculate.
@@serge5046 OTB is just celebrating 100 videos. I did have a discussion with hime when he only had about 30 or 40 videos and STILL had a totally massive couple of thousand subs!! I actually asked him if he was the CEO of a major company who had perhaps 'strong-armed' his workforce to subscribe!!! He did say he was just normal until he got a mention by Derek over at "Distrotube"?
Any how you get my point. But TBH, OTB is not actually a bad channel at all - in fact the opposite - a pretty good channel. No click-bait, talks like I do [I like!], and responds to all comments as far as I can tell - which is admirable and most important....
Best wishes. Still plugging
I have to ask who is Ben ?
Ben Fitzpatrick, he often puts out distros with people such as silent robot, the developers of salient
@@OldTechBloke Okk