Thanks for watching super nerds! And don’t worry *this video doesn’t have any spoilers for Endgame* I wouldn’t do that to you. *Also if you post spoilers just to ruin someone's day here I'm going to ban you from the channel permanently* Do expect us to break it all down soon once everyone has a chance to see it! - kH
Power Stone = Power Source Space Stone = Signal Transmitter Reality Stone = Data Packet Soul Stone = Targeting System Time Stone = Acceleration Hardware Mind Stone = User Interface The Gauntlet = Motherboard
Acceleration hardware isn't quite the right word. Time stone will keep the population less for an infinity so Thanos doesn't need to snap every 10 or 100 years
@@eduardokerber2931 Each stone actually has a purpose 1. Power Stone supplies the required power 2. Reality Dust people 3. Space reaches across the universe 4. Soul stone does the counting of half the universe 5. Time stone lasts the effect of time across all eternity putting the net number of population exactly half throughout the years so that he won't have to snap every 10 - 100 years 6. Mind stone allows thanos to telepathically connect to the stones to ensure the process is flawless. Thats how he might have ended up in the soul world for a few seconds
So who gets dusted?? "Zeroes" or "ones"? What'd be funny, and ironic, is if when Thanos initiated the Snappening he was also one the ones that got dusted... but thatd make for a much less exciting and probably extremely short "End Game". Unless the Gauntlet is way harder to use then it looks without training or whatever Instruction and Technical Manuel that Thanos read and then left playing around somewhere
@@12th.jahlil Because the other 14 000 605 are different, therefore they aren't Endgame. The only way was the only one like itself, the only Endgame. Why the fuck would Strange watch the exact same future 14 000 605 times? Lol
There's also the fact that, in the movie, the dissolving people didn't happen immediately, it was as if it were a wave progression. So that could give the gauntlet time to calculate.
@@fredwrinkle but when like the guardians with iron man were dusting they did visibly near each other out of order, and at different paces didn't they?
Love the show but you left out some stones. It feels better to include everyone! *Here is why ALL the stones are needed to make the snappening work:* Power stone - An overcharged battery to allow the other stones to work harder. Soul Stone - Locates life forms Mind Stone - To discern whether the life form qualifies to be snapped (i.e. Not plants) and tethers Thanos to the Gauntlet and the stones to precisely portray his snapping intentions. Space Stone - Used to boost the stones' range to reach all of space. Reality Stone - Creates the random assignments once the mind stone qualifies the life form by pulling from quantum mechanical values. Breaks physics down and ERASES the life forms from existence, not just disintegrate Time Stone - Used in conjunction with the Reality stone and Mind stone to hit all of the universe at once instead of a shockwave of lightspeed death (which would be slow across the universe scale)
This seems closest to what i imagined but the only thing I'd change is that the marvel heads have confirmed that Thanos got rid of 50% of "all life" including plants
@@coryjones266 Damn didn't see that. Thanks for the heads up! I was just going off of what was shown in the movie. Non sentient life seemed to be unaffected.
Plot twist--the gauntlet took so long, that Thanos thought it hadn't worked, so he snapped again. And then again. But the gauntlet was just buffering, so suddenly he dusted not half, but 3/4, no 7/8 of the population....
It took several minutes only from the audience perspective. All the different scenes we saw of people getting dusted were all happening at the same time. The few seconds of time between, say, Spiderman and Dr Strange was just there for theatric effect since... ya know... it is a movie.
This actually explains a lot..... The mind stone is not only a RNG, but a super computer/ perfect AI.... We have seen that in avengers age of ultron... This explains why thanos couldn't wipe half the population before getting the mind stone despite having 5 of the 6 infinity stones....thanos needed the mind stone to create true randomness In layman's terms he had the hardware but not the software
Mind stone allows total access to all minds as well as control. It doesn't impart knowledge except by the mentioned methods. Reality controls the existence of things. The stones have only power over what they are named after, but complete authority over it. This is because the stones are the physical remains of the entity that died and became all that there is excluding The One Above All. They are control panels for the aspect of the universe they are in, but can effect any universe so long as they are in their home one. The only thing they cannot do is destroy one another. The gauntlet has no powers or abilities usually. If it does, it is almost always just a defense buff or something to protect the user.
I like how when he calls the Gauntlet fake its on his right hand, just like the fake gauntlet in Odin's Weapons Vault on Asgard. +10 nerdism to you Sir Kyle
4:05 The infinity gauntlet incldues the time stone. It has *all* the time in the universe, looped over as often as it needs. As for the data gathering for the tRNG: just measure the position and speed of all the quantums in the persons body. Pretty sure between the 6 stone it has that kind of power.
Iron Man created infinity glove and Bruce banner controls now Hulk thanks to ancient one i destroyed your live thanks for Reading edit not thanks to ancient one but he were in lab for 18 months and she Just gave him infinity stone
The Witek hey man that was funny. Spoiling a movie someone hasn’t watched is true humor. I believe if you keep this up, you will be the next comedian. I’ve already watched it though. Just speaking for minispam and others who potentially haven’t watched it yet.
The gauntlet could just go based off the closest person. So, the closest person (Thanos) is safe, second isn't, third is, for infinity. This should also help individual planets be balanced, so one planet doesn't hit a streak and get 95% wiped out.
The dusting wasn't straight after the snap, there was a short period of time between the two. This would allow the gauntlet, which holds six literal singularities so we can assume it can do the assigning of values infinitely times quicker than our petty human machines can, the time to do so.
But wouldn’t the infinity gauntlet also be using pseudorandomness because thanos’s ultimate goal is to balance the universe so every creature would have the resources to survive, so instead of taking every creature in the universe and randomly giving them a card of live or die it would most likely have restrictions like half of a species will die and/or half of the creature on every planet will die but would still add up to killing half the universe using this universal scale algorithm Love the show by the way keep it up
I believe the biases he would impose was to not kill himself and to only assign "death" values up to half the number of intelligent beings. That's the most random he can achieve with his plan
Agreed, chances are it would also take into account consequences of half a population suddenly dying (nuclear reactors suddenly going nuclear cuz there's noone to maintain them, vehicle collisions/crashes, government collapses, etc.)
Does seem that way based on his theories about survival and "balance", and based on what we see in the movie (that every small group of people has about half being erased), it certainly looks like the result in the movie is closer to the "graph on the left."
I agree! With true randomness, it could be possible for an entire planet to lose all its life, while another one remains untouched. It may have been based on physical location, in which case it defines some sort of area or volume, and then gives everyone in that space a random death value. Then you have to ask how large or small those volumes are. The size of a whole planet? One cubic kilometer? Who knows? What if it runs into an area with only one living thing?
That makes no sense...contracts? The only ones who have 'contracts' got dusted...Strang, Spidey, Black Panther, Guardians...There is no Iron Man, Captain America , Thor, Hulk, or Hawkeye movie in the works for Marvel.
Actually, one of the infinity gauntlet's only rules is that it cannot destroy itself, and that probably extends to the wearer. So he likely couldn't dust himself. Although to be fair, that us a comic rule, so maybe it doesn't apply to movie Thanos.
Likely he chose not to dust himself, while unfair, he would need to protect the gauntlet even after it went off, or else they could feasibly unsnap it if he disappeared. It probably explains why he's retiring and growing a garden, because he's got 1 life's debt laying around.
Time stone - freezes time Soul stone - links all to gauntlet Mind stone - asks “ultron who ya be worthy” Power stone - 50-50 the universe Space stone and reality stone - makes dust gfx Done
@@greypersoninagreybackround3279 but that only gives him the means, he needs the others to know who to dust, as well as getting to everyone (the giant celestial only did one planet and it wiped out everything)
Not all of the organisms that got dusted, got dusted at the same time. So.. Thanos might have more than a moment to generate his data based on RNG. Case in point, Nicholas Fury had time to reach for his turbo charged pager to send one last message.
He is saying the assignment of your fate must be instant to be truly random. The dusting doesn't have to happen at the same time so long as everyone was assigned simultaneously.
There's a time between the snap and the first person turning into dust (Bucky) so I think we have like 5 to 10 seconds for it to do the RNG and assign a number to each person.
So,I don't believe the gauntlet would need to generate, assign, and dust in less than 7 seconds for two main reasons: First, it takes about 20 seconds between snapping and the first shown dust (Bucky); Secondly, not everyone gets dusted in the same time, some get dusted after others. So, considering it all, it does all the necessary calculations in, relatively speaking, the same amount of time the Quintessence does or even more time. Anyway love the show and keep doing this awesome job of yours :) (Hope to be on Footnotes)
I disagree with your assessment on how the stones were used. Mindstone maybe creating the randomness. But it would also be identifying intelligent life. Thanos doesn’t want to eliminate resources. Time and space are obvious to reach the entire universe at about the same time. I agree there. But it’s not power that dusts them. It’s Reality Stone that can change them from fleshy stuff to dust in the wind. Similar to what Thanos did to Drax and Mantis on Knowwhere. But to keep them from being living, intelligent dust in the wind. He needs the Soul Stone to separate their souls from their matter. Finally that just leaves the Power Stone. Which is used to enhance and power up the rest of the stones to reach the infinite reaches of the universe and affect everything.
@@NinjaBearFilms 1. Power Stone supplies the required power 2. Reality Dust people 3. Space reaches across the universe 4. Soul stone does the counting of half the universe 5. Time stone lasts the effect of time across all eternity putting the net number of population exactly half throughout the years so that he won't have to snap every 10 - 100 years 6. Mind stone allows thanos to telepathically connect to the stones to ensure the process is flawless. Thats how he might have ended up in the soul world for a few seconds
Very possible but it also seemed to me that there was an implication that all the stones together acted more than the sum of their parts. Especially since none of the stones individually were shown to be capable of anything even close to the levels of power that the snap did, even while fighting people he saw as genuine threats.
Wasn't that only for that one time after they'd fought though? I didn't think the sparing extended to the snap, I thought it was just to spare his life in that moment when Thanos was going to kill him.
Maybe, but he could have been lying, after all, he did tell Gamora that her home planet was a paradise now, even though in Guardians of the Galaxy, she's shown as the last survivor of the planet (though, it could've been retconned). That is something that I hadn't thought about though.
P.S. Do NOT let your players roll any number of sets of six to choose their starting stats from. You WILL get a player who shows up with a random number generator that creates thousands of sets of six in mere moments and filters it by the highest total value sets.
I just talked about this on a different video earlier this week. It shouldn't work like a coin flip (random number generator giving a 0 or 1) for each individual. The problem with it being a true random number generator (which can only be proven by method, not by results, as any result can be a random result) is that it would be extremely unlikely for the results to be exactly 50%. Yes, as the sample size gets larger the higher probabilities tend to get close to half, but the odds of them being exactly half get worse and worse. To illustrate this, the odds of getting 1 heads and 1 tails in 2 coin flips is exactly 50%. Move up to 4 coin flips, and the odds of getting half heads and half tails (2 each) drop to 37.5%. With 10 flips, the odds of getting exactly half heads and half tails drop to around 25%. I'm sure you see the pattern here. So, if Thanos actually wanted to knock out 50% of the population, random generation is not the way to go (especially considering there remains the possibilities of knocking out 100% or 0% or any amount between). What Thanos actually needs the gauntlet to do is consider the size of the population and generate the exact same amount of zeroes as ones and then randomly arrange those ones and zeroes to determine who lives and who dies. Each individual would still have a 50% chance of being dusted, but there would be a 100% chance of getting exactly half of the people.
Hey Kyle, fun episode! Small addendum - you said the Gauntlet completed the snap using only two stones (Mind and Power), which I believe would be incorrect, since if he only needed 2, Thanos would have gone after Vision immediately after getting the Space Stone from Thor. My guess: the Mind stone identifies which beings are capable of being snapped (sentient enough to interface with the Mind stone), the Power stone does the dusting, the Space stone extends the effect across the known universe (as well as extends the scope of the Mind stone's checks), the Reality stone makes the effect permanent (as opposed to Drax and Mantis becoming blocks and ribbons temporarily as seen in Infinity War), the Time stone is the processing power generating the random numbers (possibly generating the number instantaneously based on an infinite sequence of digits of the current minute/second etc), and the Soul Stone is the repository for the dusted souls (ala Gamora in Infinity War).
The results of the snap weren't instantaneous, we were only shown snapshots (ho yeah) of the dusting - but what we were shown took time. Not everyone disappeared simultaneously and that effect may have been even more pronounced as it rolled across the universe. This lag could be the time it takes for the gauntlet to calculate and assign the random snaptasticness.
Hers a couple of theories - - How much gamma radiation would the infinity stones give off - How much brain power would doctor strange have to have in order to remember all those realities he saw
My main question is how exactly did they get "dusted"? Was it some type of separation on the molecular or atomic level within the organisms, chemically induced, etc. Could be totally off but what do you think?
You want hypotheses? I think from how the dusting happens, the Infinity Gauntlet divides / _chops_ the body of the organism into pieces of equal numbers of structure, molecular for the nonliving part and cellular for the living parts, using the Space Stone and then rapidly ages those segments to the point of decay.
from the visual effect it would seem to be something along the lines of the molecules coming apart. I wouldn't say atoms because I don't think we would be able to see the so fine of a dust. as to how it happened, likely just the reality stone.
Probably negates the strong and weak interaction forces within the atoms so the sub atomic particles , additionally makes gluons disappear so Hadrons fall apart. Or maybe the molecules get teleported to the soul stone's dimension.
@@sweetrumman6496 hadron disintegration would release far more energy than the movie shows, the unbound quarks and electron would expand with a force not unlike an explosion because of the electromagnetic force between them. It would sweep through the planet and give the surviving population cancer.
@@rigen97 Wouldn't the quarks cease to exist if the glueons are removed? For protons and neutrons sure but maybe not for quarks because: *Free quarks cannot exist* . Idk about electrons maybe they are being teleported somewhere or that they are not present in the immediate vicinity at the same time to repel each other. For me tho, i feel like the molecules are being teleported to the soul stone's dimension by their quantum mechanical probabilities being altered.
Funny thing, Thanos’ snap is canonically called the “Decimation”. However, decimation means taking one tenth away, so it’s not so perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
true randomness is when Tony’s arm armor retracts to show a Stark gauntlet, containing all the stones. He says “I am Iron Man,” and snaps his fingers. Thanos, his army, his children, and the ships are dusted. Tony is crippled using the Gauntlet. Pepper says he can rest, and his arc reactor dies out.
10:46 "Thanos, on his other hand, would have to have everything happen a lot quicker than even this: he would need to generate all these random numbers with the Gauntlet, assign those numbers, and then dust all those of the candidates for the Snap in the time it takes to... snap." No, the dusting is very clearly not all simultaneous. Otherwise Fury couldn't have noticed some weird traffic, gotten out of his car to find another car with an empty driver's seat, watched the person who was with him dust, watched a helicopter crash, and grab his pager all before he started dusting.
You had mentioned the infinity gauntlet doesn't have time to do a trillion coin-flips for true randomness... BUT The infinity gauntlet LITERALLY has time. it could pause all of the universe while it makes its calculations and then resume time with nobody, including thanos even knowing it had happened. With being able to manipulate time and the perception of time, I for one would like to think the infinity gauntlet just watched lava lamps for 1,000 years before randomly snapping half of the universe out of existence.
What happens if the infinity gauntlet pauses the universe, but then hits a snag? Like, there's some logic problem it needs user input to solve? It tries to query Thanos, but of course everything is on pause, so he can't respond, but the gauntlet can't move forward, and it gets stuck in a loop and the universe is paused indefinitely?
What do you think the dust is comprised of? What is really happening when someone gets dusted? Where is all our water going!? Is this too many questions? Love the show
Simplest explanation is probably just switching off one of the fundamental forces, like the strong or the electromagnetic force, and let your particles that make up everything just fly away.
Probably just Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Phosphorus and Sulfur. These are the main elements in the human body and the bonds between the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms would probably break and release the gases into the air. Though, that would take a substantial amount of energy.
The molecules itself are disappearing. The dust is just the strong and weak interaction froces being negated resulting in molecules/atoms disappearing. Additionally it could make the gluons in Hadrons disappear so they fall apart into quarks. You don't see a pile of dust lying on the ground after someone's been chosen as a sacrifice. Or maybe the molecules itself are being moved to a different dimension (maybe soul stone dimension) without any of the quantum mechanical forces being broken.
Obviously, the dust is all the bacteria, viruses, lice, waste, etc that isn't part of "us" and being sifted out. (unlike our super hero costumes and prosthetics that are obviously part of us and get dusted simultaneously..) .. Stans cameo should have been him getting dusted and an artificial hip clanging to the ground! Just an idea..
1:02 - 1:06 Kyle, you made me fall in love with this channel twice over😂 Thank you!♥️ Also, I believe you actually explained Infinity War even more than you realize, especially the way that the Infinity Gauntlet gets fried after the snap, if the Infinity Gauntlet does act as a ridiculously powerful computer as you say, then that stupendous calculation may end up taking a major toll on it, thus causing the kind of damage we observe in Infinity War. So basically, good job as always and keep it up man!
Actually, if you use a quantum random number generator then according to Everett's relative state interpretation that will split up the universe into an exponential number of universes, each with a different combination of people alive in it. It means you wouldn't actually be killed by the snap, you would end up in a universe where you survived.
Um no, you would die in 50% of those universes and lie e in the other 50%, and do you want to roll the dice on which state your wave function would collapse too?
That sounds like a solipsistic son of a bitch trying to mental gymnastics why his ass wouldn't be dead. Crawl into the grave with everyone else there Capetian Marvel lol
Quantum immortality is a problematic idea, philosophically, and ultimately relies on a misinterpretation of what an 'observation' is. Consciousness is not required to perform an observation, only interaction with a system that resolves differently based on quantum-mechanical factors. Even if we suppose a 'Many Worlds' interpretation of quantum mechanics, there is nothing requiring 'your' consciousness experience to be on a world where 'you' continue to exist, for which not the least of reasons being that we have no clear indication of what 'consciousness' actually is. Now, given that Souls actually exist as a provable thing in the MCU, we can probably assume that 'your consciousness' is tied to your soul, at least in that universe. However, if the Soul somehow 'picks' which alternate universe to experience along after every quantum branch point, by necessity, after a finite amount of time, you would functionally be the only person with a soul in the universe you inhabit, as everyone else's souls would have ended up in other parallel universes through previous decision points. I don't think the MCU wants to imply that it is full of Philosophical Zombies, beings that appear and act as though they are conscious people with internal lives, but which actually have no 'soul' or true consciousness; as such, the MCU's implementation of alternate universes can't by the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum physics, but instead some other cosmological Multiverse theory unrelated to quantum probabilities. Doesn't seem like there's a good way out of that.
@@zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba0 why is one a son of a bitch for predicating their existential philosophy on solipsism? The burden of proof is actually on YOU to prove him otherwise. Solipsism has been a classicly solid logical argument for as long as philosophy has existed. I.e. there's a limit to which one can ultimately know something on their own accord; one must rely on outside input, input which may be a lie.
I remember in my game design classes that most RNGs that computer systems use are based on the computers internal clock or something to that nature. Anyways, love the show! The BC Science team is amazing!
There is no reason for it to be random. You could simply just have a rule that says kill one person, don't kill the next one. Even in a basic programing language, it would be written as assign the first individual the quality of one, then check the previous quality, if 1 then assign 0, if 0 assign 1. Eliminate all with the quality of 1. No randomness is necessary.
Unfortunatly it's not tho. By assigning a value of 50% must survive, it breaks the randomness. Say you have 1000 people, starting at 1 you apply an RNG to decide the fate of each one. Its entirely possible for a true RNG to reach the 501st person and have already decided the 1st 500 die. Thus the remaining 500 no longer get judged by the RNG, as they must survive. I know this is a small sample size but expand it logically, you could reach the point were there is still a large portion of the universe that's not been judged by the RNG, but must all either die or survive based on the previous results.
Follow up question. Did he snap half of each species or half of all life total? These are not the same thing. One could result in less or more than half the total life in the universe remaining, and the other could result in the extinction of entire species. I bring this up because the addition 'each species' rule means that the chances are no longer totally random. Also what the heck does the infinity gauntlet do with an odd population count?
kevin feige said in an interview last year that half of the animals and plants are also gone. so, food, medicine, other resources are limited as well. plus, looking at the rate of human population growth in the last years, we would return to the same number in less than 100 years. don't know about other planets, since we don't have any info on them at all.
Hey Kyle love the show just want to point out that not everyone gets dusted at the same time, so my suggestion to solve this problem would be that as soon as you are assigned your fate, if your fate is to be dusted, you get dusted. And so since it takes time for everyone to be assigned, people who are assigned first will be dusted before people who are assigned last, eg. person 1 will be dusted before person 1,000,000. hope that makes sense
You assumed the process would be instant. But in the movie, we do not see everyone turn to dust at the same time. It happens over time. So it could be possible the gauntlet is not truly random. Also a truly "balanced" universe would require a non-random event. If balance is the goal, you would need to know everything about everything and start calculating a zero-sum outcome. If you used a random event then the outcome will not be perfectly balanced. Let's say you have 2 warring factions, 1 bigger than the other. A random event would not be able to differentiate who's on what side as well as the individual worth of every being. If you randomly kill off half of the total sum of the 2 factions, you change the tide of the war no matter what but was the war balanced prior to the snap and will the snap make it balanced? Is this in line with being in balance? Thanos never really defines what he means by in balance other than for some odd reason there's just too many people alive. A big hole in "perfectly" balanced is himself. He himself is MASSIVELY powerful but was there ever a 50% chance he himself was going to get dusted? If not, then that makes everything unbalanced from the get go if it's going to affect everyone but himself using a random event. So it can never be random if Thanos was never at risk of dusting himself while attaining perfect balance.
I agree with your points here, but I'm not so sure everyone seems to understand what Thanos is talking about when he speaks of "balance". His goal isn't to balance populations, wars, etc. The balance he is striving for is between people and the universe. Or in a sense that is a little more down-to-earth, balance between people and "mother nature". The whole point of the snap is to prevent famine, strife, etc. due to a lack of natural resources because of an overpopulation of the universe. A "balance" in the petty squabbles of mortals (like war, for example) is not Thanos' concern. So it should also not be a concern of ours when we're trying to figure out what Thanos is trying to accomplish with the snap.
I keep mentioning this everywhere but erasing the half of a population will delay that point where natural resources won't be enough anymore by only 50 to 80 years. And that is assuming that the people will not instictively or logically try to boost population by having a lot of kids. And that is only for humans. There must be other species that will increase their numbers in a much higher rate. But lets assume that our population is on the faster side and in avarage it takes a 1000 years for the population of the entire universe to double itself. That means Thanos delayed the end he fears by 1000 years which is still seconds for our 13.8 billions year old universe. The only way for Thanos provide the true balance would be removing all life forms but even then there is no guarantee that new lifes won't start in a couple million years which may or may not result in a similar situation in a couple billion years. That is, again, not as long as you may imagine since the universe may keep going for trillions of years. Before it's end.
So, one thing that’s been bugging me for a while (as much as I love the MCU) is that for Thanos’ plan to do what he wants,the snap couldn’t be truly random (at least not across the whole universe). Kyle talked about how what we think of as random isn’t always quite right, true randomness allows for clumps of data that we wouldn’t necessarily expect, which means that, depending on the size and number of inhabited planets in the MCU, whole planets, and maybe even galaxies could be destroyed (or on the other hand, spared) which would kind of defeat the ultimate purpose behind Thanos’ plan. I don’t claim to be an expert on this, and maybe I’m missing something but I just had to say it.
The problem with Thanos's plan, even if we only consider Earth, is that it won't solve the conflicts that arise from not having enough resources from so many people. Most of our fundamental life resources come from other living beings: animals give us food, plants give us fruit, leaves give us oxygen. If you kill off half of all life on Earth, you are halving those resources too, so the fundamental problem is still there. Also, even if you survive the snappening, if the wrong bacteria inside your body are killed off you will die from things far more painful than turning into a heap of ash.
Kyle the infinity gauntlet didn't dust everyone instantly we see people watch others get dusted. So even the IG takes a moment to assign and enact the snap
It could have paused time while Thanos was having his vision, much like that confirmation you see pop up before you permanently delete something from your computer. That's why Thanos pauses a moment when he comes back, or even Thor who seemed a bit dazed for a second before he went all 'What did you do? WHAT DID YOU DO?!"
I still don't understand quantum randomness. Can anyone please explain it to me? If you can't please upvote this so someone else can, thanks. But as of what I know now, I think the Theory of Everything will explain how things are seemingly random at a quantum level. I just don't understand how determinism can be wrong.
@@finnhoffman Damn you. What I don't understand about Schrodinger's cat is why can't quantum superposition happen with an observer? And I won't accept that quantum mechanics don't need an explanation, because they couldn't possibly exist without one.
@@finnhoffman no, it's not. So after doing some research... We don't know? Well to me that just says that quantum computers are impossible and the Theory of Everything will just explain the issues, but whatever then
We tried to find an explanation, but we can't. Believe me, we tried, but everytime we tried, things get messier. There's a very famous experiment called the quantum eraser experiment. Scientists found out that you can do the double slit experiment by firing a single particle (photons or electrons) at a time, at one of the slit randomly, and you would still get the interference pattern. This seems to signify that superposition DOES exist. However, when the scientists put a sensor to basically tag which slit the particle actually came from (by using half-reflective mirrors and such), the interference pattern disappear. They just clump up like a normal particle going through a hole. Then they tried to delay the timing so that the sensor reads AFTER the particle landed on detector screen and the result is still NO interference pattern. One might think that it's because of the half-reflective mirrors they used, so they implemented an eraser, where they again, use half-reflective mirrors to feed the photons into both sensors, effectively destroying the data of which slit it came from, and the interference pattern re-emerges. Tl;dr the experiment tell us that somehow, the act of observing destroys randomness, and the effect seems to be able to travel faster than the speed of light and even BACKWARDS IN TIME.
@@user-cw9lf3gl6x Thanks. Well I found out by myself about wave structure collapse and Schrodinger's cat and all with some research, but still thank you so much. You actually answered with everything we knew, unlike the dude before you who said "the question is better left alone." I strongly disagree with Feynman's idea that one shouldn't try to learn something if they haven't had an education on the subject, or that teaching someone Quantum Physics is simply impossible without years of education. Basically I think the Theory of Everything will explain what we don't understand. There's simply no way for our universe not to be deterministic, and it is when we actually care to look. Another thing Feynman said was "If you think you understand QM, you don't understand QM." I guess that is true if you're a new student in QM, but it's definitely going to be wrong in the future.
But the real question is what would happen if the total amount of living creatures was an odd number, meaning you can't get a whole number by diving by 2.
If the reality stone controls all reality, why are the other stones even neccessary? Aren't mind, soul(if such a thing existed), power, time, space all part of reality?
Reality seemed to be more illusion based. Nothing thanos used it for was permanent, think nowhere, drax and Mantis, his home planet. Other affects seemed to be minor transformations, like turning blaster into bubbles, disintegrating projectiles, etc. He needed the other stones to work in tandem so that it can grant him the permanent power to delete all 50%
@@Thegeckengineer not really illusion since he really is changing reality. Even if the change is only temporary. Like what he did to Drax and Mantis. That wasn't illusion. So either Thanos decides to change everything back, or he needs to be close enough to maintain the changes he made. In the first case Thanos has made a choice for reality to go back to normal, the reality stone has completely changed reality, and the other stones are completely unnecessary. In the second case the stone required proximity to maintain it's changes, but it did still make those changes. At best the other stones only add to the effects that the reality stone is capable of. Such as, adding more power to make such changes permanent.
@@vaderyodafett880This is so late. But this is for endgame so it makes more sense. I’m sure that the infinity stones are capable of communicating with each other in a similar way the human mind can with sending signals to it’s living organs, cells, vessels, all those things. The infinity stones from what i can infer, is that the Reality stone is the interface demanding that Banner’s will for Natasha to come back to be made real, the Mind stone is doing the phenomenal amount of calculation required to get half the universe identified and determine relatively safe locales near their last locations, the Soul stone is doing the actual harboring directing of entities, the Space and Time stones are channeling them all to their designated locations across spacetime, and the Power stone is of course, powering all of this.
I think, it doesn't need to create any random number sequence (not actualy). It could just measure a quantum property of each life form (maybe dominant spin of particles, if that makes any sence) and dust/not dust depending on the result.
That's more effort though isn't it… Kyle: generate a binary string of length equal to the number of sentient lifeforms in the universe you: measure properties of every particle in a sentient lifeform, manipulate the result into a binary output (dust/not dust), repeat for every single sentient lifeform
@@nuklearboysymbiote The idea was, that this way you could do them all at once. Also the binary string is created by measuring some quantum property anyway and I didn't say, it would need to measure each particle in it, that was just one example. But you may be right.
Actually, the speed of light is also the maximum speed of information. Quantum effects can only happen at the speed of light. So the snap would roll out in a sphere at the speed of light from Earth. What's extra scary is that our universe could be currently experiencing vacuum decay somewhere else and we won't know about it until it reaches us. And then we'd probably never realize it because we would just stop exi
While I like the logic, and especially the way you wrote that, it's not actually true. Consider a rigid pole of length 6x10^8 m (Ie. the distance light can travel in 2 seconds). If I were to push one end of this pole, the other end would move the same amount instantaneously -- as it is a rigid body. Thus, the pole can be used to transmit information faster than light. The reason this is the case is that information is an inherently abstract thing. Not simply because it cannot be held/seen/etc, but because it doesn't actually exist -- it's a human fabrication to explain the world around us, just like maths. It is only that which does exist -- be it photons, or matter, or my cat -- that is confined to travel at or below the speed of light. Similarly, there exists a phenomenon called quantum entanglement, where the state of one particle is entirely dependent upon another irregardless of distance. You can consider these particles the two ends of the pole -- they are either pushed or not pushed. If one is pushed, then so, too, is the other. The same is true if one is not pushed.
If this were the case then the snap would not effect the entire universe. Because space itself is expanding objects with enough distance between them are moving away from each other faster than the speed of light. Thus the effects of the snap, moving at light speed, would never be able to catch up to any lifeforms past a certain distance. Given current estimates of the size of the actual universe and rate of expansion the effects of the snap would probably be pretty insignificant overall.
Hey Kyle,. my nephew (who loves your show even more than I do) and me had a few thoughts/question: So, assuming (as you covered) that 1). The mind stone would generate the string of random numbers (doing so instantly as it's an insanely powerful computational device as demonstrated throughout the comics and films). 2). The soul stone would then assign those numbers to every soul in the universe. 3). The power, space and reality stones then begin dusting each soul across the cosmos semi-simultaneously and of course making those dusting permanent That leaves us with the time stone. What function do you think could this stone be performing as part of this process? Obviously Thanos needed the gauntlet in its entirety in order to execute the snap, and since there are plenty of ways to work-around the time it would take to snap the universe without having to exercise any control over time at all, I wonder what function(s) it could serve. Thanks and we look forward to more of your awesome show!
Hey Kyle, To me it appeared that not everybody got dusted at 5he same moment. For example spidey was the last to go in stark's group, and the Helicopter pilot seems to have been dusted long before Nick Fury, giving him enough time to react with the pager. P.s. love the show
The way I see it, the actual assigning of whether or not you get dusted is done extremely quickly and the moment you get assigned is when you get dusted. Considering that this is accounting for EVERY living being in the universe, I can understand why the whole process of assigning to EVERY creature takes about 20-30 seconds. That's why some people dusted before others.
How I see when the life forms turned to dust was it was who the mind stone chose first to last so someone on earth could be first and than red skull on vormir was last
When you say impossible to predict at 4:25 doesn't that just mean it's impossible for _us_ to predict? With enough data and processing power could we predict anything, like um.. -the position and movements of a butterfly 1,000 years from now- lotto numbers? (asking for a friend) Also, remember that scene from Endgame, that was CRAZY! When that character said/did that thing, I was like... woah!
Except they largely have that money through inheritance and bribing law makers to create loopholes and other ways that they can gather ever more while doing little.
Why would you assume the rich are the most productive? They're not. Most rich people are either born into it, or take advantage of other people's productiveness to make money.
@@singletona082 Bill Gates? Zuckerberg? Jack Contey and Dorsey? Rothman? Henry Ford? Thousands of athletes I can't name? Actors, directors, etc? And the list goes on forever. All these people did not start off rich or wealthy. Some upper middle class sure, but not from millionaire families. If anything, people who inherit large somes of money tend to spend it all because they tend not to be as productive as their parents but also far more spoiled thus higher maintenance too. How about this one: there are MORE Chinese millionaires then American today. 30 years ago, China was a third world nation with little to no modern infrastructure including cars. Seriously, China did not have cars outside of the political and high class. Now, they manufacture more cars for themselves than most of the world. How did they become so wealthy if an inheritance is how people become millionaires? I have a friend I grew up with who lived in a 1 bedroom apartment for 4 people, the whole family immigrated here. Now he makes nearly half a mill a year working at investments. How did HE inherit his wealth?
You forgot ONE BIG thing: The snap dusts the half of EVERY species. Meaning that 3.5 biljon humans got dusted.. But other species like the Asgardians which have a few hundred survivors at the end of Ragnarok have only half of those few hundred dusted. And this goes with every species in the universe. The half of THEIR species. This makes the RNG even harder.
@@Sturtime but then what about the life off of the planets, or half breed like if howard the duck really got the girl pregnant (in the comics there was a panel where they did do the dirty) then it would be the only half duck human would it get only half erased or would it fall on to the rng to determine if it gets dusted as it is the only one of its kind it cant be cut in half
Hey Kyle! Huge fan of the show and I appreciate you for combining my loves of science and nerdiness! I believe the glove doesn't instantaneously decide the universes fate. It does in fact take a bit of time to decide whether or not somebody gets dusted. This would explain why some people disintigrate almost immediately and others have a bit of time before they meet the same fate.
Hi Kyle - love the show! It seems to me that the main issue revolves around the snap being “fair”. As you say, we can assume that there is bias in the randomness if Thanos wants to stick around. Given Thanos’ desire to survive, as well as his claim that he wants this as a solution to the problem of mouths to feed, we can assert 2 things: First - That he wants to be worshipped by the survivors as a God (this is further evidenced by the servile rhetoric of the Black Order). Second - that he wants life to flourish in the wake of the snappening (no one wants to worship someone that made things worse). Given the second assertion, we have to create additional biases in the dusting algorithm. If erasing an entire gender would be negative, we know that we’re creating sets and subsets of populations. Given that every characteristic is equal, they can be defined by binary “present”/“not present” values. Once assigned a characteristic profile, members of populations can be placed into antithetical groups. Each group can be entangled congruently with each other group and placed in a superposition. At the snap, the wave function would collapse and one of two randomly filled groups in each population would disappear; leaving behind a randomly selected, but necessarily diverse group behind. Looking forward to the next episode!
Found your ending ramble about superposition more fascinating :D Got a non-super thought experiment for you too; if you fell onto a perfectly frictionless surface, would you actually collide with it?
Hey Kyle! Long time followere here! I was just asking myself: how is it possible that this "true randomness" will give a result of 50/50? If we say that there's a random assignment of 0s and 1s and in this binary sequence we find a succession of 10 0s and never one of 10 1s? Wouldn't it mean that it will not be 50/50? Isn't a 50/50 dusting snap already a "biased randomness?" Love the show! I really hope you keep going with what you doing!
You know what, when i`m watching at home your episodes my wife see what i`m watching and tells me: "Are you watching again this scientific Jesus ?" well... yes.. :D Thank you lord for your science learning. Enter.
If the gauntlet controls time, it can give itself all the time in the world to perform the calculations. To be more specific it would need to somehow create a sub space in which the time flows normally, while the time in the rest of space would be stopped.
Hey Kyle thanks for the show. 2 things: 1: Thanks for the awesome live show in Milwaukee, I had to leave early but the hour or so I caught was awesome and I hope someone convinces you to do a talk at Milwaukee Makerfaire this year. If it helps seal the deal I'll forge you something cool. 2: What if the infinity gauntlet used the information in Thanos' mind to seed the RNG? For instance, he specifically mentions that he's sparing Tony after their fight. We also know that Thanos is aware of some of the other Avengers and the Mind Stone could have even drawn information from Stark's brain which is why things seem to be dusted so evenly based on their powers. For Instance; Black Panther & Captain America are both chemically imbued with strength, stamina & toughness from a plant and are both national symbols of pride and strong leaders which is why one is still around and one got dusted. Falcon lacks superpowers just like Hawkeye does and only one of them made it out of the snap too. If you want to have fun with it Tony could have been worrying about Peter triggering a rule in the RNG which took Spiderman out of the generic "Humans" category and putting him into the much smaller pool of "arthropod themed superheroes." I think this is a detail a lot of people missed in the Russo's decision to determine who among the Avengers and those adjacent to them survived the snap. While there are a lot of individuals missing the overall balance of the team is still there.
The issue of processing time would explain why the snap doesn't dust everyone at once. It is sampling a portion of the data, making the decision to dust half of that portion, and then excluding the other half from subsequent data.
Hei Kyle, love your show, I think that since in the movie we don't really see grasslands or trees just disappear but rather just intelligent/sentient/conscious beings turn to dust, I think it's safe to assume that that's what Thanos meant when saying "half of all life"; and since we know a "Soul Stone" to be canonical in that universe (duh), we can then assume that "Souls" are a real thing there and so I'd say that "half of all life" really means *"half of all beings with a Soul"* which would also explain why he needed **all** infinity stones *including* the soul stone to fulfill his masterplan. So I'd say that the process is more like: the Mind Stone acts like an RNG, then the *Soul Stone* (which is already connected to all beings with a soul) assigns those randomly generated numbers to the souls in its database, and finally, the space, time and power stones' combined power do the trick. Just saying
Ok, but a truly random process wouldn’t necessarily get a perfect 50% result, right? The Gauntlet would also have to account for extra survivors/dust piles.
one thing you kinda forgot is the fact that the time stone has the power to STOP time from progressing, as well as going backwards and further in time, so that whole "the time it took for thanos to snap" thing is totally redundant in the grand scheme of things considering that the "second" he started to snap his fingers it froze time and the other stones started whatever process they had to undertake to complete their processes of eliminating half of all LIFE in the universe, that funnily also include animals, nature, food, etc
Hey Kyle, I have a correction. If we want a static number of beings (exactly half) dusted and not leave that up to trng we would first need to quantify that number. The gauntlet would first decide how many beings need to be dusted. It would then put all the beings randomly into an array and dust half that array. This could get a lot more complex if we assume thanos doeant want to wipe out whole races, in which we will want to loop through this process localized for each species.Thanks long time fan.
Thanks for watching super nerds! And don’t worry *this video doesn’t have any spoilers for Endgame* I wouldn’t do that to you. *Also if you post spoilers just to ruin someone's day here I'm going to ban you from the channel permanently* Do expect us to break it all down soon once everyone has a chance to see it! - kH
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How does King Crimson work?
Must be the time & soul stone!
@@christenorio9555 serious question
Please do few videos on The Expanse series... Like Protomolecules, the ring, the Eros asteroid event....
Power Stone = Power Source
Space Stone = Signal Transmitter
Reality Stone = Data Packet
Soul Stone = Targeting System
Time Stone = Acceleration Hardware
Mind Stone = User Interface
The Gauntlet = Motherboard
Wow
fucking computer wiz
Hotel?
Acceleration hardware isn't quite the right word. Time stone will keep the population less for an infinity so Thanos doesn't need to snap every 10 or 100 years
@@notabot0001 trivago.
"But the Infinity Gauntlet doesn't have time to flip a million coins"
Time gem: "Am I a joke to You?"
"hold on, just more 999 millions and i am done"
@@eduardokerber2931
Each stone actually has a purpose
1. Power Stone supplies the required power
2. Reality Dust people
3. Space reaches across the universe
4. Soul stone does the counting of half the universe
5. Time stone lasts the effect of time across all eternity putting the net number of population exactly half throughout the years so that he won't have to snap every 10 - 100 years
6. Mind stone allows thanos to telepathically connect to the stones to ensure the process is flawless. Thats how he might have ended up in the soul world for a few seconds
Dormamu, I'm here to bargain!
“Time gem” 😂
So who gets dusted?? "Zeroes" or "ones"? What'd be funny, and ironic, is if when Thanos initiated the Snappening he was also one the ones that got dusted... but thatd make for a much less exciting and probably extremely short "End Game". Unless the Gauntlet is way harder to use then it looks without training or whatever Instruction and Technical Manuel that Thanos read and then left playing around somewhere
Remember guys, Dr. Strange saw Endgame 14,000,605 times, and didn't spoil a thing, be like Dr. Strange.
He only saw it once because it was the only way though
Then how would he know about the other 14,000,604 Al the Alligator
@@12th.jahlil Because the other 14 000 605 are different, therefore they aren't Endgame. The only way was the only one like itself, the only Endgame. Why the fuck would Strange watch the exact same future 14 000 605 times? Lol
AND he got to see all the deleted scenes!
@@nuklearboysymbiote And maybe some of that futures were fails of the actors making the scenes
There's also the fact that, in the movie, the dissolving people didn't happen immediately, it was as if it were a wave progression. So that could give the gauntlet time to calculate.
@@fredwrinkle but when like the guardians with iron man were dusting they did visibly near each other out of order, and at different paces didn't they?
You can also account the TIME STONE AS A VARIABLE
Doctor strange: "I looked forward and saw 14,000,605 futures. . ."
Me watching: "Why did you count them?"
It may have been like this
Flashing in his mind: FUTURE 1:
*insert future*
Captain_Cupcake the 605 where rape scenes and he had to back track
Sherlock Holmes would do that.
@@theworldofpanda6559 wtf
Because Science w/ Kyle Hill
Love the show but you left out some stones. It feels better to include everyone!
*Here is why ALL the stones are needed to make the snappening work:*
Power stone - An overcharged battery to allow the other stones to work harder.
Soul Stone - Locates life forms
Mind Stone - To discern whether the life form qualifies to be snapped (i.e. Not plants) and tethers Thanos to the Gauntlet and the stones to precisely portray his snapping intentions.
Space Stone - Used to boost the stones' range to reach all of space.
Reality Stone - Creates the random assignments once the mind stone qualifies the life form by pulling from quantum mechanical values. Breaks physics down and ERASES the life forms from existence, not just disintegrate
Time Stone - Used in conjunction with the Reality stone and Mind stone to hit all of the universe at once instead of a shockwave of lightspeed death (which would be slow across the universe scale)
This seems closest to what i imagined but the only thing I'd change is that the marvel heads have confirmed that Thanos got rid of 50% of "all life" including plants
@@coryjones266 Damn didn't see that. Thanks for the heads up! I was just going off of what was shown in the movie. Non sentient life seemed to be unaffected.
But they didn't die at the same time
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@@matyasnovak9539 I feel like that was just done that way for dramatic purposes
Actually, it took a while before everyone was dusted. It was not immediate. It lasted minutes. Maybe the gauntlet was still processing after the snap.
And Thanos just had a spinning hourglass in his mind's eye for those couple of minutes... "69% complete; time remaining 1m 23s"
Plot twist--the gauntlet took so long, that Thanos thought it hadn't worked, so he snapped again. And then again. But the gauntlet was just buffering, so suddenly he dusted not half, but 3/4, no 7/8 of the population....
It took several minutes only from the audience perspective. All the different scenes we saw of people getting dusted were all happening at the same time. The few seconds of time between, say, Spiderman and Dr Strange was just there for theatric effect since... ya know... it is a movie.
space-time continuum lag between dimensions
@@JROwensPhotos more like 4m 20s remaining hehe
Should’ve said ;
“Who lives, and who dust not”
Who dust not (who doesn't dust) IS Who lives.
@@genghisgalahad8465 , you're the reason we can't have nice things.
should have said "who dies and who dusts not"
I actually chose the one on the right as being more random
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Everyone did. There were too many globs grouped together...
I picked the one on the left because I thought the one on the right was a trick and there was secretly a pattern there.
This actually explains a lot.....
The mind stone is not only a RNG, but a super computer/ perfect AI.... We have seen that in avengers age of ultron...
This explains why thanos couldn't wipe half the population before getting the mind stone despite having 5 of the 6 infinity stones....thanos needed the mind stone to create true randomness
In layman's terms he had the hardware but not the software
Mind stone allows total access to all minds as well as control. It doesn't impart knowledge except by the mentioned methods. Reality controls the existence of things. The stones have only power over what they are named after, but complete authority over it. This is because the stones are the physical remains of the entity that died and became all that there is excluding The One Above All. They are control panels for the aspect of the universe they are in, but can effect any universe so long as they are in their home one. The only thing they cannot do is destroy one another. The gauntlet has no powers or abilities usually. If it does, it is almost always just a defense buff or something to protect the user.
I like how when he calls the Gauntlet fake its on his right hand, just like the fake gauntlet in Odin's Weapons Vault on Asgard. +10 nerdism to you Sir Kyle
Im pretty sure thats what his goal was. Like the only reason he called it fake was because it was on the wrong hand.
@@madbeef420 I am aware it was on purpose my dude. Was just aknowledging the nerd cred man.
OR
he writes normal and mirrors the footage for us so we can read graphs and equations
MrSlipperHat isn’t there like 12 stones idk i heard about it in some comic book so maybe Odins right gauntlet might not be fake
thats his left hand the video is mirrored
4:05 The infinity gauntlet incldues the time stone. It has *all* the time in the universe, looped over as often as it needs.
As for the data gathering for the tRNG: just measure the position and speed of all the quantums in the persons body. Pretty sure between the 6 stone it has that kind of power.
Quoting Nefarious?(Patience Lawrence ,we have all the time in the universe)
Thank you for not spoiling endgame, very cool.
Iron Man created infinity glove and Bruce banner controls now Hulk thanks to ancient one i destroyed your live thanks for Reading
edit not thanks to ancient one but he were in lab for 18 months and she Just gave him infinity stone
😝
The Witek hey man that was funny. Spoiling a movie someone hasn’t watched is true humor. I believe if you keep this up, you will be the next comedian. I’ve already watched it though. Just speaking for minispam and others who potentially haven’t watched it yet.
@@epicman7982
Marvel : Don t spoil endgame
Retarded Kids : But not us. Not us
The Witek what
The gauntlet could just go based off the closest person. So, the closest person (Thanos) is safe, second isn't, third is, for infinity. This should also help individual planets be balanced, so one planet doesn't hit a streak and get 95% wiped out.
That makes sense to me
No cuz Thor was right next to Thanos and he was not dusted
thor was the closest to thanos and he wasnt dusted
The dusting wasn't straight after the snap, there was a short period of time between the two. This would allow the gauntlet, which holds six literal singularities so we can assume it can do the assigning of values infinitely times quicker than our petty human machines can, the time to do so.
But couldn't it also be instant because the time Stone could make all those calculations in a nanosecond or faster as fast as it wants to
Goat Simul8r maybe the gauntlet isn’t quite as good as it could be, it broke after it was used after all
@@obama6047 okay but Trump is a better president
But wouldn’t the infinity gauntlet also be using pseudorandomness because thanos’s ultimate goal is to balance the universe so every creature would have the resources to survive, so instead of taking every creature in the universe and randomly giving them a card of live or die it would most likely have restrictions like half of a species will die and/or half of the creature on every planet will die but would still add up to killing half the universe using this universal scale algorithm
Love the show by the way keep it up
I believe the biases he would impose was to not kill himself and to only assign "death" values up to half the number of intelligent beings. That's the most random he can achieve with his plan
Agreed, chances are it would also take into account consequences of half a population suddenly dying (nuclear reactors suddenly going nuclear cuz there's noone to maintain them, vehicle collisions/crashes, government collapses, etc.)
Does seem that way based on his theories about survival and "balance", and based on what we see in the movie (that every small group of people has about half being erased), it certainly looks like the result in the movie is closer to the "graph on the left."
i believe he does random balance on each planet (so that all planets lose 50%)
I agree! With true randomness, it could be possible for an entire planet to lose all its life, while another one remains untouched. It may have been based on physical location, in which case it defines some sort of area or volume, and then gives everyone in that space a random death value. Then you have to ask how large or small those volumes are. The size of a whole planet? One cubic kilometer? Who knows? What if it runs into an area with only one living thing?
....Plot and contracts decide who the Infinity Gauntlet dusts.
The most powerful armor in the universe is plot armor
Contracts clearly had nothing to do with who got dusted as Black Panther, Spider-man, Doctor Strange and nearly all of the Guardians were dusted.
That makes no sense...contracts? The only ones who have 'contracts' got dusted...Strang, Spidey, Black Panther, Guardians...There is no Iron Man, Captain America , Thor, Hulk, or Hawkeye movie in the works for Marvel.
Hemsworth has said that he wants to be Thor as long as he can.
Shawn, Patrick, you two realize I said nothing about contracts meaning they won't get dusted, right?
Nobody:
This guy: Thanos had a 50% chance of killing himself
Considering Thanos' character, I'd have to agree with you.
Actually, one of the infinity gauntlet's only rules is that it cannot destroy itself, and that probably extends to the wearer. So he likely couldn't dust himself. Although to be fair, that us a comic rule, so maybe it doesn't apply to movie Thanos.
Likely he chose not to dust himself, while unfair, he would need to protect the gauntlet even after it went off, or else they could feasibly unsnap it if he disappeared.
It probably explains why he's retiring and growing a garden, because he's got 1 life's debt laying around.
@@PokecrafterChampion but if you've watched end game..... it doesn't extend to the wearer. Then again thanos has super skin so he is much stronger.
@@nicholasblyde8588 i have not watched endgame, a lot of people haven't.
Easy. It chooses people who's contracts aren't about to expire
Time stone - freezes time
Soul stone - links all to gauntlet
Mind stone - asks “ultron who ya be worthy”
Power stone - 50-50 the universe
Space stone and reality stone - makes dust gfx
Done
It's the time stone that wiped out everyone by erasing them from history.
Connor Kenway Nobody was erased from history in the snap. If they were then nobody would remember them.
@@PrachirNathETC we've seen people get dusted by the power stone in GotG
Then he would just need the power stone
@@greypersoninagreybackround3279 but that only gives him the means, he needs the others to know who to dust, as well as getting to everyone (the giant celestial only did one planet and it wiped out everything)
Not all of the organisms that got dusted, got dusted at the same time.
So.. Thanos might have more than a moment to generate his data based on RNG.
Case in point, Nicholas Fury had time to reach for his turbo charged pager to send one last message.
He is saying the assignment of your fate must be instant to be truly random. The dusting doesn't have to happen at the same time so long as everyone was assigned simultaneously.
@@rympha3581 the thing is, it ain't truly random, IT MUST be 50/50, so my guess is that the gaunlet takes pairs and dusts one, now randomly
There's a time between the snap and the first person turning into dust (Bucky) so I think we have like 5 to 10 seconds for it to do the RNG and assign a number to each person.
Time Stone: Am I a joke to you?
Time doesn't exist
Your arguments about time dont really count considering he has the time stone as well.
So,I don't believe the gauntlet would need to generate, assign, and dust in less than 7 seconds for two main reasons: First, it takes about 20 seconds between snapping and the first shown dust (Bucky); Secondly, not everyone gets dusted in the same time, some get dusted after others. So, considering it all, it does all the necessary calculations in, relatively speaking, the same amount of time the Quintessence does or even more time.
Anyway love the show and keep doing this awesome job of yours :)
(Hope to be on Footnotes)
Like hawkeyes family didnt dust till endgame started
I disagree with your assessment on how the stones were used.
Mindstone maybe creating the randomness. But it would also be identifying intelligent life. Thanos doesn’t want to eliminate resources.
Time and space are obvious to reach the entire universe at about the same time. I agree there.
But it’s not power that dusts them. It’s Reality Stone that can change them from fleshy stuff to dust in the wind. Similar to what Thanos did to Drax and Mantis on Knowwhere.
But to keep them from being living, intelligent dust in the wind. He needs the Soul Stone to separate their souls from their matter.
Finally that just leaves the Power Stone. Which is used to enhance and power up the rest of the stones to reach the infinite reaches of the universe and affect everything.
At least that’s my theory on why he needed all of them.
@@NinjaBearFilms 1. Power Stone supplies the required power
2. Reality Dust people
3. Space reaches across the universe
4. Soul stone does the counting of half the universe
5. Time stone lasts the effect of time across all eternity putting the net number of population exactly half throughout the years so that he won't have to snap every 10 - 100 years
6. Mind stone allows thanos to telepathically connect to the stones to ensure the process is flawless. Thats how he might have ended up in the soul world for a few seconds
Interesting take on the time stone effects.
But I’m afraid I digress at the mind stone.
@@NinjaBearFilms
What other reason can there be for thanos needing to pimple pinch it out of Visions head
Very possible but it also seemed to me that there was an implication that all the stones together acted more than the sum of their parts.
Especially since none of the stones individually were shown to be capable of anything even close to the levels of power that the snap did, even while fighting people he saw as genuine threats.
Dr. Strange also made a deal with Thanos to spare Stark's life, which means Thanos had some form of control.
Wasn't that only for that one time after they'd fought though? I didn't think the sparing extended to the snap, I thought it was just to spare his life in that moment when Thanos was going to kill him.
@@BigShrimpin_ Perhaps, I took it to mean his life altogether.
Maybe, but he could have been lying, after all, he did tell Gamora that her home planet was a paradise now, even though in Guardians of the Galaxy, she's shown as the last survivor of the planet (though, it could've been retconned). That is something that I hadn't thought about though.
To add to this, can something still be truly random if you can predict the outcome, such as Dr. Strange did?
@@BigShrimpin_ whoa, are you saying sparing Stark was part of the one way to beat Thanos?
I got a Snap pass by giving the Infinity Gauntlet a high five.
Did it make your hand explode? By the way that means your screwing with the randomness. Well all's fair in love and snap.
All I had to do to get a SnapPass was promise to buy an Endgame ticket and at least 2 pieces of merchandise.
P.S. Do NOT let your players roll any number of sets of six to choose their starting stats from. You WILL get a player who shows up with a random number generator that creates thousands of sets of six in mere moments and filters it by the highest total value sets.
I just talked about this on a different video earlier this week. It shouldn't work like a coin flip (random number generator giving a 0 or 1) for each individual. The problem with it being a true random number generator (which can only be proven by method, not by results, as any result can be a random result) is that it would be extremely unlikely for the results to be exactly 50%. Yes, as the sample size gets larger the higher probabilities tend to get close to half, but the odds of them being exactly half get worse and worse. To illustrate this, the odds of getting 1 heads and 1 tails in 2 coin flips is exactly 50%. Move up to 4 coin flips, and the odds of getting half heads and half tails (2 each) drop to 37.5%. With 10 flips, the odds of getting exactly half heads and half tails drop to around 25%. I'm sure you see the pattern here. So, if Thanos actually wanted to knock out 50% of the population, random generation is not the way to go (especially considering there remains the possibilities of knocking out 100% or 0% or any amount between). What Thanos actually needs the gauntlet to do is consider the size of the population and generate the exact same amount of zeroes as ones and then randomly arrange those ones and zeroes to determine who lives and who dies. Each individual would still have a 50% chance of being dusted, but there would be a 100% chance of getting exactly half of the people.
Hey Kyle, fun episode!
Small addendum - you said the Gauntlet completed the snap using only two stones (Mind and Power), which I believe would be incorrect, since if he only needed 2, Thanos would have gone after Vision immediately after getting the Space Stone from Thor.
My guess: the Mind stone identifies which beings are capable of being snapped (sentient enough to interface with the Mind stone), the Power stone does the dusting, the Space stone extends the effect across the known universe (as well as extends the scope of the Mind stone's checks), the Reality stone makes the effect permanent (as opposed to Drax and Mantis becoming blocks and ribbons temporarily as seen in Infinity War), the Time stone is the processing power generating the random numbers (possibly generating the number instantaneously based on an infinite sequence of digits of the current minute/second etc), and the Soul Stone is the repository for the dusted souls (ala Gamora in Infinity War).
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We are now officially riding the hype train for Avengers: Endgame
I saw it in theatres yesterday.
So amazing movie
@@ProducedByRIFT a) that is a surprise to no one at all
b) grow up, buddy. spoiling is for kids.
Whoo Whooooo! All aboard baby!
Spoiler free review: best movie ever
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The results of the snap weren't instantaneous, we were only shown snapshots (ho yeah) of the dusting - but what we were shown took time. Not everyone disappeared simultaneously and that effect may have been even more pronounced as it rolled across the universe. This lag could be the time it takes for the gauntlet to calculate and assign the random snaptasticness.
When you are wielding the resemblances of the cosmic consciousness itself, making random is the least thing you need to worry about.
Hers a couple of theories -
- How much gamma radiation would the infinity stones give off
- How much brain power would doctor strange have to have in order to remember all those realities he saw
He didn't have to remember all of them, he just needed to remember how many realities in which the Avengers had won.
The infinity gaunlet thar eitri made doesn't have a gamma radiation duhh....
@@kongdoo1226 the stones do
I was wondering about the stones
A lot, for both.
Wouldn't he have infinite versions of himself to remember the infinite possiblities like separate his conscience maybe idk just a thought
My main question is how exactly did they get "dusted"? Was it some type of separation on the molecular or atomic level within the organisms, chemically induced, etc. Could be totally off but what do you think?
You want hypotheses? I think from how the dusting happens, the Infinity Gauntlet divides / _chops_ the body of the organism into pieces of equal numbers of structure, molecular for the nonliving part and cellular for the living parts, using the Space Stone and then rapidly ages those segments to the point of decay.
from the visual effect it would seem to be something along the lines of the molecules coming apart. I wouldn't say atoms because I don't think we would be able to see the so fine of a dust. as to how it happened, likely just the reality stone.
Probably negates the strong and weak interaction forces within the atoms so the sub atomic particles , additionally makes gluons disappear so Hadrons fall apart.
Or maybe the molecules get teleported to the soul stone's dimension.
@@sweetrumman6496 hadron disintegration would release far more energy than the movie shows, the unbound quarks and electron would expand with a force not unlike an explosion because of the electromagnetic force between them. It would sweep through the planet and give the surviving population cancer.
@@rigen97 Wouldn't the quarks cease to exist if the glueons are removed? For protons and neutrons sure but maybe not for quarks because: *Free quarks cannot exist* . Idk about electrons maybe they are being teleported somewhere or that they are not present in the immediate vicinity at the same time to repel each other.
For me tho, i feel like the molecules are being teleported to the soul stone's dimension by their quantum mechanical probabilities being altered.
Funny thing, Thanos’ snap is canonically called the “Decimation”. However, decimation means taking one tenth away, so it’s not so perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
You want true randomness? Well boy do i have the thing for you
*TF2 RANDOM CRITS*
No, they are Fair & Balanced®️
No, übersaw has 100% critrate
Excuse me sir, would you like to talk about our lord and savior XCOM RNGesus?
They are perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
true randomness is when Tony’s arm armor retracts to show a Stark gauntlet, containing all the stones. He says “I am Iron Man,” and snaps his fingers. Thanos, his army, his children, and the ships are dusted. Tony is crippled using the Gauntlet. Pepper says he can rest, and his arc reactor dies out.
10:46 "Thanos, on his other hand, would have to have everything happen a lot quicker than even this: he would need to generate all these random numbers with the Gauntlet, assign those numbers, and then dust all those of the candidates for the Snap in the time it takes to... snap."
No, the dusting is very clearly not all simultaneous. Otherwise Fury couldn't have noticed some weird traffic, gotten out of his car to find another car with an empty driver's seat, watched the person who was with him dust, watched a helicopter crash, and grab his pager all before he started dusting.
I love the fact that something as "simple" as randomness brings a window to LOTS of AWESOME SCIENCE!
Thank you Kyle ane Because Science team ❤️
You had mentioned the infinity gauntlet doesn't have time to do a trillion coin-flips for true randomness... BUT The infinity gauntlet LITERALLY has time. it could pause all of the universe while it makes its calculations and then resume time with nobody, including thanos even knowing it had happened.
With being able to manipulate time and the perception of time, I for one would like to think the infinity gauntlet just watched lava lamps for 1,000 years before randomly snapping half of the universe out of existence.
What happens if the infinity gauntlet pauses the universe, but then hits a snag? Like, there's some logic problem it needs user input to solve? It tries to query Thanos, but of course everything is on pause, so he can't respond, but the gauntlet can't move forward, and it gets stuck in a loop and the universe is paused indefinitely?
What do you think the dust is comprised of? What is really happening when someone gets dusted? Where is all our water going!? Is this too many questions? Love the show
Simplest explanation is probably just switching off one of the fundamental forces, like the strong or the electromagnetic force, and let your particles that make up everything just fly away.
If everyone’s liquids just evaporated into the air would that cause an increase in flooding?
Probably just Carbon, Hydrogen, Nitrogen, Oxygen, Phosphorus and Sulfur. These are the main elements in the human body and the bonds between the Hydrogen and Oxygen atoms would probably break and release the gases into the air. Though, that would take a substantial amount of energy.
The molecules itself are disappearing. The dust is just the strong and weak interaction froces being negated resulting in molecules/atoms disappearing. Additionally it could make the gluons in Hadrons disappear so they fall apart into quarks. You don't see a pile of dust lying on the ground after someone's been chosen as a sacrifice. Or maybe the molecules itself are being moved to a different dimension (maybe soul stone dimension) without any of the quantum mechanical forces being broken.
Obviously, the dust is all the bacteria, viruses, lice, waste, etc that isn't part of "us" and being sifted out. (unlike our super hero costumes and prosthetics that are obviously part of us and get dusted simultaneously..)
.. Stans cameo should have been him getting dusted and an artificial hip clanging to the ground! Just an idea..
1:02 - 1:06 Kyle, you made me fall in love with this channel twice over😂 Thank you!♥️
Also, I believe you actually explained Infinity War even more than you realize, especially the way that the Infinity Gauntlet gets fried after the snap, if the Infinity Gauntlet does act as a ridiculously powerful computer as you say, then that stupendous calculation may end up taking a major toll on it, thus causing the kind of damage we observe in Infinity War. So basically, good job as always and keep it up man!
they just picked the people with contracts that wont die yet.
edit: the gauntlet works for disney
Actually, if you use a quantum random number generator then according to Everett's relative state interpretation that will split up the universe into an exponential number of universes, each with a different combination of people alive in it. It means you wouldn't actually be killed by the snap, you would end up in a universe where you survived.
Um no, you would die in 50% of those universes and lie e in the other 50%, and do you want to roll the dice on which state your wave function would collapse too?
That sounds like a solipsistic son of a bitch trying to mental gymnastics why his ass wouldn't be dead. Crawl into the grave with everyone else there Capetian Marvel lol
You would actually be alive in billions of universes were you survived.
Quantum immortality is a problematic idea, philosophically, and ultimately relies on a misinterpretation of what an 'observation' is. Consciousness is not required to perform an observation, only interaction with a system that resolves differently based on quantum-mechanical factors.
Even if we suppose a 'Many Worlds' interpretation of quantum mechanics, there is nothing requiring 'your' consciousness experience to be on a world where 'you' continue to exist, for which not the least of reasons being that we have no clear indication of what 'consciousness' actually is.
Now, given that Souls actually exist as a provable thing in the MCU, we can probably assume that 'your consciousness' is tied to your soul, at least in that universe. However, if the Soul somehow 'picks' which alternate universe to experience along after every quantum branch point, by necessity, after a finite amount of time, you would functionally be the only person with a soul in the universe you inhabit, as everyone else's souls would have ended up in other parallel universes through previous decision points. I don't think the MCU wants to imply that it is full of Philosophical Zombies, beings that appear and act as though they are conscious people with internal lives, but which actually have no 'soul' or true consciousness; as such, the MCU's implementation of alternate universes can't by the Many Worlds interpretation of quantum physics, but instead some other cosmological Multiverse theory unrelated to quantum probabilities.
Doesn't seem like there's a good way out of that.
@@zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba0 why is one a son of a bitch for predicating their existential philosophy on solipsism? The burden of proof is actually on YOU to prove him otherwise. Solipsism has been a classicly solid logical argument for as long as philosophy has existed. I.e. there's a limit to which one can ultimately know something on their own accord; one must rely on outside input, input which may be a lie.
Thank you for no spoilers, love this cannel.
Get rekt:
Stan Lee's cameo dies in endgame
I remember in my game design classes that most RNGs that computer systems use are based on the computers internal clock or something to that nature.
Anyways, love the show! The BC Science team is amazing!
For a pseudorandom yes. He's talking about true randomness.
Thanos:**Snaps**
Gauntlet:Eeny meeny miney mo...
LOL!!!!!!!! this comment is so underrated
@@raptorzeraora2632 Is it though? 😂
@@hazeltree7738 well yea
There is no reason for it to be random. You could simply just have a rule that says kill one person, don't kill the next one. Even in a basic programing language, it would be written as assign the first individual the quality of one, then check the previous quality, if 1 then assign 0, if 0 assign 1. Eliminate all with the quality of 1. No randomness is necessary.
At random
Old, young, rich, and poor alike.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be.
Unfortunatly it's not tho. By assigning a value of 50% must survive, it breaks the randomness. Say you have 1000 people, starting at 1 you apply an RNG to decide the fate of each one. Its entirely possible for a true RNG to reach the 501st person and have already decided the 1st 500 die. Thus the remaining 500 no longer get judged by the RNG, as they must survive. I know this is a small sample size but expand it logically, you could reach the point were there is still a large portion of the universe that's not been judged by the RNG, but must all either die or survive based on the previous results.
@@cgi2002 to be fair half of each planet died...
Follow up question. Did he snap half of each species or half of all life total? These are not the same thing. One could result in less or more than half the total life in the universe remaining, and the other could result in the extinction of entire species. I bring this up because the addition 'each species' rule means that the chances are no longer totally random.
Also what the heck does the infinity gauntlet do with an odd population count?
Half a person exists I guest what it is worth it for the balance.
Watch the movie to find out. They answer it in the first 30 minutes
kevin feige said in an interview last year that half of the animals and plants are also gone. so, food, medicine, other resources are limited as well.
plus, looking at the rate of human population growth in the last years, we would return to the same number in less than 100 years. don't know about other planets, since we don't have any info on them at all.
Hey Kyle love the show
just want to point out that not everyone gets dusted at the same time, so my suggestion to solve this problem would be that as soon as you are assigned your fate, if your fate is to be dusted, you get dusted. And so since it takes time for everyone to be assigned, people who are assigned first will be dusted before people who are assigned last, eg. person 1 will be dusted before person 1,000,000.
hope that makes sense
The time you have before turning to dust he's your willpower alone. That's why thanos dies last and Spidey last that long.
You assumed the process would be instant. But in the movie, we do not see everyone turn to dust at the same time. It happens over time. So it could be possible the gauntlet is not truly random.
Also a truly "balanced" universe would require a non-random event. If balance is the goal, you would need to know everything about everything and start calculating a zero-sum outcome. If you used a random event then the outcome will not be perfectly balanced. Let's say you have 2 warring factions, 1 bigger than the other. A random event would not be able to differentiate who's on what side as well as the individual worth of every being. If you randomly kill off half of the total sum of the 2 factions, you change the tide of the war no matter what but was the war balanced prior to the snap and will the snap make it balanced? Is this in line with being in balance? Thanos never really defines what he means by in balance other than for some odd reason there's just too many people alive.
A big hole in "perfectly" balanced is himself. He himself is MASSIVELY powerful but was there ever a 50% chance he himself was going to get dusted? If not, then that makes everything unbalanced from the get go if it's going to affect everyone but himself using a random event. So it can never be random if Thanos was never at risk of dusting himself while attaining perfect balance.
I agree with your points here, but I'm not so sure everyone seems to understand what Thanos is talking about when he speaks of "balance". His goal isn't to balance populations, wars, etc. The balance he is striving for is between people and the universe. Or in a sense that is a little more down-to-earth, balance between people and "mother nature". The whole point of the snap is to prevent famine, strife, etc. due to a lack of natural resources because of an overpopulation of the universe. A "balance" in the petty squabbles of mortals (like war, for example) is not Thanos' concern. So it should also not be a concern of ours when we're trying to figure out what Thanos is trying to accomplish with the snap.
I keep mentioning this everywhere but erasing the half of a population will delay that point where natural resources won't be enough anymore by only 50 to 80 years. And that is assuming that the people will not instictively or logically try to boost population by having a lot of kids. And that is only for humans. There must be other species that will increase their numbers in a much higher rate.
But lets assume that our population is on the faster side and in avarage it takes a 1000 years for the population of the entire universe to double itself. That means Thanos delayed the end he fears by 1000 years which is still seconds for our 13.8 billions year old universe.
The only way for Thanos provide the true balance would be removing all life forms but even then there is no guarantee that new lifes won't start in a couple million years which may or may not result in a similar situation in a couple billion years. That is, again, not as long as you may imagine since the universe may keep going for trillions of years. Before it's end.
So, one thing that’s been bugging me for a while (as much as I love the MCU) is that for Thanos’ plan to do what he wants,the snap couldn’t be truly random (at least not across the whole universe). Kyle talked about how what we think of as random isn’t always quite right, true randomness allows for clumps of data that we wouldn’t necessarily expect, which means that, depending on the size and number of inhabited planets in the MCU, whole planets, and maybe even galaxies could be destroyed (or on the other hand, spared) which would kind of defeat the ultimate purpose behind Thanos’ plan.
I don’t claim to be an expert on this, and maybe I’m missing something but I just had to say it.
Harfar That’s why I said “at least not across the whole universe”. I just forgot to say more.
The problem with Thanos's plan, even if we only consider Earth, is that it won't solve the conflicts that arise from not having enough resources from so many people. Most of our fundamental life resources come from other living beings: animals give us food, plants give us fruit, leaves give us oxygen. If you kill off half of all life on Earth, you are halving those resources too, so the fundamental problem is still there.
Also, even if you survive the snappening, if the wrong bacteria inside your body are killed off you will die from things far more painful than turning into a heap of ash.
Kyle the infinity gauntlet didn't dust everyone instantly we see people watch others get dusted. So even the IG takes a moment to assign and enact the snap
Infinity Gauntlet :
Most Powerful Weapon in Universe ❌❌❌
Most Powerful Random Number Generator in Multiverse ✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️✔️
It could actually be insanely slow and inefficient, but the time stone could just stop time while the gauntlet generates the numbers
It could have paused time while Thanos was having his vision, much like that confirmation you see pop up before you permanently delete something from your computer. That's why Thanos pauses a moment when he comes back, or even Thor who seemed a bit dazed for a second before he went all 'What did you do? WHAT DID YOU DO?!"
I still don't understand quantum randomness. Can anyone please explain it to me? If you can't please upvote this so someone else can, thanks. But as of what I know now, I think the Theory of Everything will explain how things are seemingly random at a quantum level. I just don't understand how determinism can be wrong.
@@finnhoffman Damn you. What I don't understand about Schrodinger's cat is why can't quantum superposition happen with an observer? And I won't accept that quantum mechanics don't need an explanation, because they couldn't possibly exist without one.
@@finnhoffman no, it's not. So after doing some research... We don't know? Well to me that just says that quantum computers are impossible and the Theory of Everything will just explain the issues, but whatever then
We tried to find an explanation, but we can't. Believe me, we tried, but everytime we tried, things get messier.
There's a very famous experiment called the quantum eraser experiment. Scientists found out that you can do the double slit experiment by firing a single particle (photons or electrons) at a time, at one of the slit randomly, and you would still get the interference pattern. This seems to signify that superposition DOES exist.
However, when the scientists put a sensor to basically tag which slit the particle actually came from (by using half-reflective mirrors and such), the interference pattern disappear. They just clump up like a normal particle going through a hole. Then they tried to delay the timing so that the sensor reads AFTER the particle landed on detector screen and the result is still NO interference pattern. One might think that it's because of the half-reflective mirrors they used, so they implemented an eraser, where they again, use half-reflective mirrors to feed the photons into both sensors, effectively destroying the data of which slit it came from, and the interference pattern re-emerges.
Tl;dr the experiment tell us that somehow, the act of observing destroys randomness, and the effect seems to be able to travel faster than the speed of light and even BACKWARDS IN TIME.
@@user-cw9lf3gl6x Thanks. Well I found out by myself about wave structure collapse and Schrodinger's cat and all with some research, but still thank you so much. You actually answered with everything we knew, unlike the dude before you who said "the question is better left alone." I strongly disagree with Feynman's idea that one shouldn't try to learn something if they haven't had an education on the subject, or that teaching someone Quantum Physics is simply impossible without years of education.
Basically I think the Theory of Everything will explain what we don't understand. There's simply no way for our universe not to be deterministic, and it is when we actually care to look. Another thing Feynman said was "If you think you understand QM, you don't understand QM." I guess that is true if you're a new student in QM, but it's definitely going to be wrong in the future.
@@user-cw9lf3gl6x "If I tell you what happens, it won't happen"
But the real question is what would happen if the total amount of living creatures was an odd number, meaning you can't get a whole number by diving by 2.
1:50, it's great because I was choose the one on the left
If the reality stone controls all reality, why are the other stones even neccessary? Aren't mind, soul(if such a thing existed), power, time, space all part of reality?
Reality seemed to be more illusion based. Nothing thanos used it for was permanent, think nowhere, drax and Mantis, his home planet.
Other affects seemed to be minor transformations, like turning blaster into bubbles, disintegrating projectiles, etc.
He needed the other stones to work in tandem so that it can grant him the permanent power to delete all 50%
@@Thegeckengineer not really illusion since he really is changing reality. Even if the change is only temporary. Like what he did to Drax and Mantis. That wasn't illusion. So either Thanos decides to change everything back, or he needs to be close enough to maintain the changes he made. In the first case Thanos has made a choice for reality to go back to normal, the reality stone has completely changed reality, and the other stones are completely unnecessary. In the second case the stone required proximity to maintain it's changes, but it did still make those changes. At best the other stones only add to the effects that the reality stone is capable of. Such as, adding more power to make such changes permanent.
@@vaderyodafett880This is so late. But this is for endgame so it makes more sense. I’m sure that the infinity stones are capable of communicating with each other in a similar way the human mind can with sending signals to it’s living organs, cells, vessels, all those things. The infinity stones from what i can infer, is that the Reality stone is the interface demanding that Banner’s will for Natasha to come back to be made real, the Mind stone is doing the phenomenal amount of calculation required to get half the universe identified and determine relatively safe locales near their last locations, the Soul stone is doing the actual harboring directing of entities, the Space and Time stones are channeling them all to their designated locations across spacetime, and the Power stone is of course, powering all of this.
I think, it doesn't need to create any random number sequence (not actualy). It could just measure a quantum property of each life form (maybe dominant spin of particles, if that makes any sence) and dust/not dust depending on the result.
That's more effort though isn't it…
Kyle: generate a binary string of length equal to the number of sentient lifeforms in the universe
you: measure properties of every particle in a sentient lifeform, manipulate the result into a binary output (dust/not dust), repeat for every single sentient lifeform
@@nuklearboysymbiote The idea was, that this way you could do them all at once. Also the binary string is created by measuring some quantum property anyway and I didn't say, it would need to measure each particle in it, that was just one example. But you may be right.
Actually, the speed of light is also the maximum speed of information. Quantum effects can only happen at the speed of light. So the snap would roll out in a sphere at the speed of light from Earth.
What's extra scary is that our universe could be currently experiencing vacuum decay somewhere else and we won't know about it until it reaches us. And then we'd probably never realize it because we would just stop exi
Was this information on pbs eons? That's really cool. I thought quantum stuff may have been faster since it can seemingly teleport instantaneously.
While I like the logic, and especially the way you wrote that, it's not actually true.
Consider a rigid pole of length 6x10^8 m (Ie. the distance light can travel in 2 seconds). If I were to push one end of this pole, the other end would move the same amount instantaneously -- as it is a rigid body. Thus, the pole can be used to transmit information faster than light.
The reason this is the case is that information is an inherently abstract thing. Not simply because it cannot be held/seen/etc, but because it doesn't actually exist -- it's a human fabrication to explain the world around us, just like maths. It is only that which does exist -- be it photons, or matter, or my cat -- that is confined to travel at or below the speed of light.
Similarly, there exists a phenomenon called quantum entanglement, where the state of one particle is entirely dependent upon another irregardless of distance. You can consider these particles the two ends of the pole -- they are either pushed or not pushed. If one is pushed, then so, too, is the other. The same is true if one is not pushed.
If this were the case then the snap would not effect the entire universe. Because space itself is expanding objects with enough distance between them are moving away from each other faster than the speed of light. Thus the effects of the snap, moving at light speed, would never be able to catch up to any lifeforms past a certain distance. Given current estimates of the size of the actual universe and rate of expansion the effects of the snap would probably be pretty insignificant overall.
How about how did mortals like Hawk Eye hold infinity stones? Gaurdians of the Galaxy made it pretty clear that normal people couldn't hold them.
If I wanted to perfectly balance the universe I would simply choose that no one and nothing lives
balance
Hey Kyle,. my nephew (who loves your show even more than I do) and me had a few thoughts/question:
So, assuming (as you covered) that
1). The mind stone would generate the string of random numbers (doing so instantly as it's an insanely powerful computational device as demonstrated throughout the comics and films).
2). The soul stone would then assign those numbers to every soul in the universe.
3). The power, space and reality stones then begin dusting each soul across the cosmos semi-simultaneously and of course making those dusting permanent
That leaves us with the time stone. What function do you think could this stone be performing as part of this process? Obviously Thanos needed the gauntlet in its entirety in order to execute the snap, and since there are plenty of ways to work-around the time it would take to snap the universe without having to exercise any control over time at all, I wonder what function(s) it could serve.
Thanks and we look forward to more of your awesome show!
I would hazard a guess that the time stone could be used to speed up the whole TRNG process like overclocking your computer's CPU (by a huge amount).
In the comics each stone makes another stone more powerful/useful so it might be that
Hey Kyle, To me it appeared that not everybody got dusted at 5he same moment. For example spidey was the last to go in stark's group, and the Helicopter pilot seems to have been dusted long before Nick Fury, giving him enough time to react with the pager.
P.s. love the show
The way I see it, the actual assigning of whether or not you get dusted is done extremely quickly and the moment you get assigned is when you get dusted. Considering that this is accounting for EVERY living being in the universe, I can understand why the whole process of assigning to EVERY creature takes about 20-30 seconds. That's why some people dusted before others.
Also, iirc the directors said spidey lasted longest because the Iron Spider suit was trying to reconstruct his body as it was being dusted
@@moobattle not just that, his Spidey senses gave him a warning ahead of time, hence why he didn't feel good whereas everyone else just got dusted
How I see when the life forms turned to dust was it was who the mind stone chose first to last so someone on earth could be first and than red skull on vormir was last
@@ownphantomandtoy did red skull get dusted?
“There are no spoilers for Avengers endgame in this video” bless you :”)
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@@jpeg.600x2 noooo!!! Why did you spoil it
Major spoiler:
Thanos is in it.
Kingsnake Command Oh shit for real? Fuck man my broke ass still hasn’t seen it you just ruined the WHOLE thing I had no clue
My favorite kyle hill quote : "what about them shrooooms ?"
Captain America: the glass is half full
Iron Man:the glass is half empty
Thanos: the glass is just right
Capt. America: The glass is half full
Iron Man: The glass is half empty
Thanos: There's not enough water for all of us... One of you needs to die.
When you say impossible to predict at 4:25 doesn't that just mean it's impossible for _us_ to predict?
With enough data and processing power could we predict anything, like um.. -the position and movements of a butterfly 1,000 years from now- lotto numbers?
(asking for a friend)
Also, remember that scene from Endgame, that was CRAZY! When that character said/did that thing, I was like... woah!
meloD30 Laplace's Demon
The more productive the person, the more chance they might live?
The rich: _laughs in money_
Except they largely have that money through inheritance and bribing law makers to create loopholes and other ways that they can gather ever more while doing little.
@@singletona082 they only have access to that after they get rich
Why would you assume the rich are the most productive? They're not. Most rich people are either born into it, or take advantage of other people's productiveness to make money.
If that was true I doubt half of Wakanda wouldn't have been dusted. or the more productive half of the antman and wasp team being dusted.
@@singletona082 Bill Gates? Zuckerberg? Jack Contey and Dorsey? Rothman? Henry Ford? Thousands of athletes I can't name? Actors, directors, etc? And the list goes on forever. All these people did not start off rich or wealthy. Some upper middle class sure, but not from millionaire families. If anything, people who inherit large somes of money tend to spend it all because they tend not to be as productive as their parents but also far more spoiled thus higher maintenance too.
How about this one: there are MORE Chinese millionaires then American today. 30 years ago, China was a third world nation with little to no modern infrastructure including cars. Seriously, China did not have cars outside of the political and high class. Now, they manufacture more cars for themselves than most of the world. How did they become so wealthy if an inheritance is how people become millionaires?
I have a friend I grew up with who lived in a 1 bedroom apartment for 4 people, the whole family immigrated here. Now he makes nearly half a mill a year working at investments. How did HE inherit his wealth?
You forgot ONE BIG thing:
The snap dusts the half of EVERY species.
Meaning that 3.5 biljon humans got dusted..
But other species like the Asgardians which have a few hundred survivors at the end of Ragnarok have only half of those few hundred dusted.
And this goes with every species in the universe.
The half of THEIR species.
This makes the RNG even harder.
Yeah it’s really just half of all life on each planet.
@@Sturtime but then what about the life off of the planets, or half breed like if howard the duck really got the girl pregnant (in the comics there was a panel where they did do the dirty) then it would be the only half duck human would it get only half erased or would it fall on to the rng to determine if it gets dusted as it is the only one of its kind it cant be cut in half
@@noellandon6641 then half of them died too
I honestly love the proposal of the technique the infinity gauntlet decides character’s fates you suggested at the end Kyle
Hey Kyle! Huge fan of the show and I appreciate you for combining my loves of science and nerdiness! I believe the glove doesn't instantaneously decide the universes fate. It does in fact take a bit of time to decide whether or not somebody gets dusted. This would explain why some people disintigrate almost immediately and others have a bit of time before they meet the same fate.
From infinity_gauntlet import random
for x in range(500,000):
print random.randint(1,000,000)
That would allow repeats, not what you want here
@@louisvictor3473 ahh shoot, you right
In case anyone cares:
The binary code written in this video translates to "Z".
I care.
Luke Ives i actually was wondering 😂💯
Kyle: "There are no spoilers."
Me: (X) Doubt
It would be impossible -- I filmed this two weeks before the movie came out -- kH
@@becausescience Thanks! Got a response from my favorite TH-camr, not kidding, now I just need to get featued on Clumsy...
Kyle: *"I'm a mortal"*
Me: *"Your hair says otherwise"*
Hi Kyle - love the show!
It seems to me that the main issue revolves around the snap being “fair”. As you say, we can assume that there is bias in the randomness if Thanos wants to stick around. Given Thanos’ desire to survive, as well as his claim that he wants this as a solution to the problem of mouths to feed, we can assert 2 things:
First - That he wants to be worshipped by the survivors as a God (this is further evidenced by the servile rhetoric of the Black Order).
Second - that he wants life to flourish in the wake of the snappening (no one wants to worship someone that made things worse).
Given the second assertion, we have to create additional biases in the dusting algorithm. If erasing an entire gender would be negative, we know that we’re creating sets and subsets of populations. Given that every characteristic is equal, they can be defined by binary “present”/“not present” values. Once assigned a characteristic profile, members of populations can be placed into antithetical groups. Each group can be entangled congruently with each other group and placed in a superposition. At the snap, the wave function would collapse and one of two randomly filled groups in each population would disappear; leaving behind a randomly selected, but necessarily diverse group behind.
Looking forward to the next episode!
It isn’t random. He whipped out half the universe randomly. So it is still pseudorandom
wrong, infinity guantlet has time for lava lamps cuz of time stone
Found your ending ramble about superposition more fascinating :D
Got a non-super thought experiment for you too; if you fell onto a perfectly frictionless surface, would you actually collide with it?
That's a good question. Such a surface could never exist but would be amazing.
I kinda feel like you'd kinda just hover there.
It wasn't completely random, Tony was guaranteed saved
Hey Kyle! Long time followere here!
I was just asking myself: how is it possible that this "true randomness" will give a result of 50/50?
If we say that there's a random assignment of 0s and 1s and in this binary sequence we find a succession of 10 0s and never one of 10 1s?
Wouldn't it mean that it will not be 50/50?
Isn't a 50/50 dusting snap already a "biased randomness?"
Love the show! I really hope you keep going with what you doing!
Yes, I agree. This is the first video on here with at least two MAJOR errors in statistics.
You know what, when i`m watching at home your episodes my wife see what i`m watching and tells me: "Are you watching again this scientific Jesus
?" well... yes.. :D Thank you lord for your science learning. Enter.
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I thought the left was correct because I felt like the right was random and normally the counterintuitive answer is right on this channel
Perfectly Balanced, like all things should be.
If the infinity gauntlet snap erases 50% of all species then thanos would've been spared by the RNG due to him being the last titan in existence
If the gauntlet controls time, it can give itself all the time in the world to perform the calculations. To be more specific it would need to somehow create a sub space in which the time flows normally, while the time in the rest of space would be stopped.
next: calculate the power of shaggy.
He did that already. Check his previous episodes.
The results were random....
Or were they?
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you should talk about if you can shrink like antman and can use the pun an-ant-omy (not good spelling)
Ant-natomy
Your logo is unsettling. Congrats
@@theodorej3954 Thank you
Hey Kyle thanks for the show. 2 things:
1: Thanks for the awesome live show in Milwaukee, I had to leave early but the hour or so I caught was awesome and I hope someone convinces you to do a talk at Milwaukee Makerfaire this year. If it helps seal the deal I'll forge you something cool.
2: What if the infinity gauntlet used the information in Thanos' mind to seed the RNG? For instance, he specifically mentions that he's sparing Tony after their fight. We also know that Thanos is aware of some of the other Avengers and the Mind Stone could have even drawn information from Stark's brain which is why things seem to be dusted so evenly based on their powers.
For Instance; Black Panther & Captain America are both chemically imbued with strength, stamina & toughness from a plant and are both national symbols of pride and strong leaders which is why one is still around and one got dusted. Falcon lacks superpowers just like Hawkeye does and only one of them made it out of the snap too. If you want to have fun with it Tony could have been worrying about Peter triggering a rule in the RNG which took Spiderman out of the generic "Humans" category and putting him into the much smaller pool of "arthropod themed superheroes."
I think this is a detail a lot of people missed in the Russo's decision to determine who among the Avengers and those adjacent to them survived the snap. While there are a lot of individuals missing the overall balance of the team is still there.
The issue of processing time would explain why the snap doesn't dust everyone at once. It is sampling a portion of the data, making the decision to dust half of that portion, and then excluding the other half from subsequent data.
Hei Kyle, love your show,
I think that since in the movie we don't really see grasslands or trees just disappear but rather just intelligent/sentient/conscious beings turn to dust, I think it's safe to assume that that's what Thanos meant when saying "half of all life"; and since we know a "Soul Stone" to be canonical in that universe (duh), we can then assume that "Souls" are a real thing there and so I'd say that "half of all life" really means *"half of all beings with a Soul"* which would also explain why he needed **all** infinity stones *including* the soul stone to fulfill his masterplan.
So I'd say that the process is more like: the Mind Stone acts like an RNG, then the *Soul Stone* (which is already connected to all beings with a soul) assigns those randomly generated numbers to the souls in its database, and finally, the space, time and power stones' combined power do the trick. Just saying
This isn't a spoiler. In endgame, at one point, Thanos says "Half of all living creatures."
Ok, but a truly random process wouldn’t necessarily get a perfect 50% result, right? The Gauntlet would also have to account for extra survivors/dust piles.
*Snap*
I just used my power to get a hearted message
How did that go?
Scientific process is still going through
@Rin Kirai
Well it shouldn’t take that long
one thing you kinda forgot is the fact that the time stone has the power to STOP time from progressing, as well as going backwards and further in time, so that whole "the time it took for thanos to snap" thing is totally redundant in the grand scheme of things considering that the "second" he started to snap his fingers it froze time and the other stones started whatever process they had to undertake to complete their processes of eliminating half of all LIFE in the universe, that funnily also include animals, nature, food, etc
Hey Kyle, I have a correction. If we want a static number of beings (exactly half) dusted and not leave that up to trng we would first need to quantify that number. The gauntlet would first decide how many beings need to be dusted. It would then put all the beings randomly into an array and dust half that array. This could get a lot more complex if we assume thanos doeant want to wipe out whole races, in which we will want to loop through this process localized for each species.Thanks long time fan.