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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
- What if magic wasn’t supernatural? What if it was the most natural experience of all, inviting us into inter-species collaboration? How can we begin to understand magic as a way of becoming radically embedded in our web of relations, rather than as a way of manipulating the elements from a distance?
This conversation was held ahead of advaya's upcoming online course Rewilding Mythology. Sophie Strand is the host and curator of the course, and David Abram is one of the many teachers. Find out more and register for the course here www.rewilding-mythology.com/
0:00 - Opening
8:13 - David and Sophie's work as grounding imagination
14:30 - What is magic?
15:17 - Magic as the deeper "order"
17:32 - Magic as how things happen
22:36 - Magic as a mystical, grounded, material and practical tradition
32:06 - Magic and confronting human vulnerability
36:00 - Magic as interspecies communication
37:12 - David's experience as an itinerant magician
42:13 - Magicians as intermediaries between worlds
50:02 - Magic as transgressing the boundary
56:41 - Magicians as composite beings
58:30 - Magic and science
1:04:12 - Magic as participatory
1:13:56 - Magic as beings that have permeated through us
1:21:12 - Magic and unknowability and uncertainty
1:27:58 - Magic as terrifying, as horror, as confronting
1:44:00 - Crowdsource your thinking, embody the more-than-human, expose yourself to risk
1:48:42 - Ending: three stories and final invocations
CONVERSATION TRANSCRIPT: advaya.co/read/2022/10/31/dav...
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ABOUT SOPHIE STRAND:
Sophie Strand is a writer based in the Hudson Valley who focuses on the intersection of spirituality, storytelling, and ecology. But it would probably be more authentic to call her a neo-troubadour animist with a propensity to spin yarns that inevitably turn into love stories. Give her a salamander and a stone and she’ll write you a love story.
Sophie was raised by house cats, puff balls, possums, raccoons, and an opinionated, crippled goose. In every neighborhood she’s ever lived in she has been known as “the walker”. She believes strongly that all thinking happens interstitially - between beings, ideas, differences, mythical gradients.
Her first book of essays The Flowering Wand: Rewilding the Sacred Masculine is available for pre-order now, and her eco-feminist historical fiction reimagining of the gospels The Madonna Secret will also be published in Spring 2023.
Sophie's newsletter: sophiestrand.substack.com/
Sophie's website: sophiestrand.com/
Find Sophie on Instagram @cosmogyny
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ABOUT DAVID ABRAM:
David Abram is an American ecologist and philosopher best known for his work bridging the philosophical tradition of phenomenology with environmental and ecological issues. He is the author of Becoming Animal: An Earthly Cosmology and The Spell of Sensuous: Perception and Language in a More-than-Human World.
David's website: www.davidabram.org/
Find David on Facebook @davidriversabram
My sense of magic is that when I am aligned with source and embodied in the world, I have access to a supportive energy that moves things into my awareness and brings what I need into my life. I think good and evil is a human made concept, as if there are opposites in the world we have to handle. Spirit is never about good and evil, it's not black and white. It only asks that we acknowledge our accountability and choose the next thing; something more in alignment with our path to love or compassion, the human element we bring to nature.
What a beautiful, magical match up. Thankyou.
Thank you for tending the edges where everything is alive and bringing your seeing back to the center.
Thank you for making this amazing conversation between two amazing people available here! 🙏
Sophie does a great job integrating the body into philosophy, something long overdue. Someone like her would normally be way too "out there" for me but when I listen carefully, her ideas seem to resonate. This is exciting.
Thank you both for making clear the presence of our friends so large and small I barely notice.❤
this has to be one of the most inspirng, moving, powerful yet subtle conversation i've ever presenced. thank you both so much! sending love thy way
yessss
Wonder-full! The magician keeping the membrane of humanity porus... and the aliveness of all so-called 'things'. Thank you so much David and Sophie.
wow!!! I am expanded in mind, heart, emotions by this amazing sharing between you and all the Beings you have and are interacting with - Thank you both so much for such richness - I feel humbled with gratitude xoxo
23:23 that for me is magic right here😄. The barking and excitement of 🐶. A very cool example of brightening and birthing of a "not all so serious" element into this moment. Overall beautiful conversation. Between human and non human participants. Beauty-full. Thanks for sharing❤️
1:37 reminded me of the roar on the other side of silence :“That element of tragedy which lies in the very fact of frequency, has not yet wrought itself into the coarse emotion of mankind; and perhaps our frames could hardly bear much of it. If we had a keen vision and feeling of all ordinary human life, it would be like hearing the grass grow and the squirrel’s heart beat, and we should die of that roar which lies on the other side of silence. As it is, the quickest of us walk about well wadded with stupidity.”
― George Eliot, Middlemarch
Loved this entire conversation. In regard to psychedelics, I believe those psychotropic plants are the magicians of their species, they are able to alter our perception of “reality” and act as a gateway to the magical world around us. I agree that we shouldn’t depend on their assistance and once the magical gateway has been closed it’s up to us to continue to see the magic within the mundane.
'Unknowability is the name of the game'! Love, love, love this yarn - confirms the possibility that our bodies are teapots...
story at approx. min 1:14:00 onward...YES!
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What is David Abram up to in Cambridge?? That's where I live! Are there public lectures etc
I had a similar thought!
1:02:15 Cognitive Maturity of Natural Sciences
Just love this conversation. Have you seen Robin Wall Kimmerer's Center for Native Peoples and the Environment? Science being done with an indigenous worldview.
magician/shaman as ecotone, love it, especially queer neurodivergent magicians ofcourse ;-)
Glacial ghosts…