Why Steve Nash Reigns SUPREME Over Allen Iverson (ft.
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this conversation seems to happen once a month. and only ever on this platform
Odd enough you’re always apart of it as well Marz 😂
Maybe we should go back to the Jamal murray & Penny hardaway debate
@@RecapRicoNash is basically curry with great playmaking to marz lol.
@@SamuelMills-ez4joSteph already has great pkaymaking though
@@RecapRicoMarz is everywhere though. I don't never see anything on this channel where Marz ain't in it. Dude is consistent
Ron doesn’t understand that the Phoenix Suns without Steve Nash has a losing record during their time. it shows the value of how much more awesome Steve Nash was as a Phoenix Suns player. Even before in his Dallas years between 2002-2004, he was still an all-star player with similar scoring efficiency and the passing was still great
And still didn't win shit
Something can be said about anything team when they dont have their key players
@@Coldskin1exactly! People try to make that point like they’re saying something 🤣🤣🤣
@@Coldskin1not all the time, Miami in 2012-13 without LeBron had a winning record but with the Suns w/o Nash, their offensive stride was broken down and had to rely on more isos, post ups and fast breaks with lesser playmakers, accuracy and not as coordinated
@@20k200and I can make more points, stop sucking up to others without any rebuttals 😂
2001 distorts people's perception of Iverson. He was NOT a good enough scorer to justify playing the style he played. It had diminishing returns. He was just TOO INEFFICIENT.
His efficiency distorts ppls perception of him as well. There’s alot of grey area when it comes to his game … most ppl aren’t watching the film and telling the full truth
@@Heemkeem_9facts. Nash couldn't make 1 final even tho having multiple all time great offensive team. Man averaged 14ppg lol. Great playmaker but marz act like Nash is curry lol.
@@SamuelMills-ez4jo shut up you’re a casual.
@@SamuelMills-ez4joyou conveniently leave out his assists which we all know was his strength. He would average 15 and 12 and lead his team to conference finals. Show some respect
Kobe was inefficient in that same era
Did Domo say he peaked at high level high school ball? Lol wtf
Steve nash had less flaws and his percentages and splits were better, but a high volume 6 ft gaurd shouldnt be expected to have crazy efficiency especially considering his supporting cast, with jerry stackhouse he was shooting 46% , with melo similar numbers, iverson was more dynamic and had more intangibles imo
Nash the worst defender and more passive when it comes to scoring.
AI literally doubles this mans avg in ppg and avging 7+ assists. Nash bascially had a superteam he didnt do it on his own unlike other superstars
@@Coldskin1Wait a minute how super was the suns before Nash got there?? And we’re they still a super team when amari got hurt?? In 01 AI was the 1 seed in the east with the 6th man of the year, the DPOY, and the COTY. So he had a super team as well. By the way all the legends especially in the top 15 or so was on a suoer team
@@austinburwell5834 Did you just say a 76ers team ,where 12 ppg Theo Ratliff was the 2nd leading scorer was a super, team ?
@@Thanosdidtherighthing Not literally a super team but this notion that Allen carried bums and it was the most shocking thing ever is a narrative. The 76ers was number 1 seed i get that outside of Allen there wasn’t that much offensive talent but that era especially in the east it was very defensive. Those teams was built off defense. That 76er team best attribute was their defense in fact a lot of those playoff games was won off defense. Again when is it a upset when a 1 seed that has the MVP, 6th man of the year, DPOY, and COTY make it to the finals??
And this really isn’t a shot at AI because AI played in a very defensive era. It was a lot of ugly iso ball that’s why he, Kobe, Paul pierce, Tracy was great but shot so low because they was playing iso ball. You didn’t have the spread offense of today. Hell even the Chicago 2nd 3peat was won off being very defensive. Jordan wasn’t nearly as efficient as he was before 95.
@@austinburwell5834 Kobe has a 50% Finals true shooting LMAO
Ticket is a Steve Nash hater 😂 Amare’s best season was with the Phoenix Suns, especially if he finished 1st all nba with the Suns in 2007
Ticket is entertaining at a certain point but you can’t have a conversation with him because he was just screaming.
Ron using the Dantoni argument like bro if u put Allen Iverson in Dantoni system it doesn't work because HE CANT SHOOOOOT!!!
Brooooo Thank You
Amare was MVP candidate at the early of the 10-11 year. They traded the team away for Melo and everything changed.
Yeah Amare was really good but they dropped it all for Melo.
@@austinburwell5834 They traded too many pieces and it was mid season. Smh…
Okay and there are plenty of players who were "MVP candidates" early season every year who fall out. Amare mvp? Be fr
@@j_quan2594 My comment was not about if he was going to win the MVP. It was in context with what the guys were speaking on this episode.
@@andinthiscorner No, Amare and Melo played together for multiple years.
Domo rolling a blunt has me dying
Yes Mustard, Amare Stoudamire was an MVP candidate BEFORE the Melo trade. You so busy going to google when a lot of us don’t need to. We remember how that 2010-11 season was in real time. Melo hurt Amare’s game because the offense no longer ran thru Amare. But Amare was BALLING in 2010-11 before that Melo trade
He had the garden jumping! Lmaoo
@@Jboooog18 Facts! Then Melo comes in and everything changed smh
Facts Melo blew that could’ve waited but he was up Lala ass.
Remember tho Amare finished 1st team as a center in 06-07. He peaked higher as a Sun than as a Knick
@@SkodenMOC point is he proved as a Knick that he didn’t need Nash to be great. Melo and injuries hurt Amare more than not having Nash
The way ticket changes people words r hilarious 🤣🤣
Amare went from one of the most efficient scorers in the league to barely above league average, as soon as Steve Nash left in the 2010 offseason.
I’m with Ron on this..and don’t forget how they changed the defensive rules in 04 right before Nash won his MVPs
Nash a rule/Dantoni merchant and Jeremy Lin looked as good as Nash for that short time in Dantoni system the glaze for Nash is real 😂
@@Slyme1bigshort time, nash was nasty from mavs to phx
@@Jboooog18 Nash was mid til he got with dirk in Dallas then his second stint with the suns Brian colangelo was the suns Gm he knew about the rule changes that’s why he got Nash in Dantoni system
@@Slyme1big mid is crazy, he put up 17-8 playing his role. Offense ran through Dirk as it should've.
And why those rules ain’t help A.i
I love Steve Nash...but he was NOT awesome in Dallas...
In his BEST 4 year run in Big D he was averaging 16/7...his AVERAGE assists jumped up 3-4 a game in PHX....to act like he would've been CLOSE to that if he stayed in Dallas is disingenuous...
This is why you shouldn't let nerds talk basketball.
So true
Iverson scored as much only because he shot the ball as much as he did. That's not a good thing.
He took 21.8 shots per game 3.7 3's per game and 8.9 FT's a game. Efficiency splits are 42.5%/ 31.3%/ 78%
Steve Nash took only 10.4 shots a game. With 3.2 3's a game and only 2.8 FT's a game. His splits are 49%/ 42.8%/ 90%
Nash shot the 3 better than Iverson shot overall and if we math it out so Nash only takes 50% more shots and the same amount of FT attempts he averages 26/game just like A.I
Nash is a better ball player based on numbers and production.
@@suivatra123 Kobe took more shots and has less points. But u probably think Kobe is better than ai. Let’s not forget ai is shorter than nash and Kobe.
@@The4ceMan Kobe had 12 all defensive selections and was a better overall shooter...
@@suivatra123 but never averaged 2 steals more than once. Ai came into the league averaging 2 steals. And kobe doesn’t block shit foreal he’s not a big defensive threat. He didn’t lock down any major guards. Ai is better, he’s shorter but overall better.
@The4ceMan Your response is steals and a claim that Kobe was not a big defensive threat..... despite 12 all defensive selections to A.I's zero. And the height thing doesn't matter. CP3 has 9 All Defensive selections.
Kobe still averaged 1.5 steals, Also you lied about shot taking. Kobe averaged 2.5 less shots a game🤷🏾♂️
@@suivatra123 that wasn’t a lie, I misquoted that in text but that is fine u can have that one.
Kobe still doesn’t have more scoring titles than ai. They came in at the same time. So Kobe being a better scorer than ai is silly because while Kobe was still trying to figure out how to score 20. AI was already averaging 20. He’s not a better passer than ai like I stated earlier. And Kobe has better talent on his teams for most of his career. I wonder why he wasn’t passing the ball.
Also Damian Lillard was 2nd all nba one year and didn’t make it to the all star game. Lebron only has 4 mvps. Rudy Hobert has 4 DPOYs. Jokic got mvp over Giannis. Sometimes the nba makes mistakes.
Who was Kobe locking up by the way?
Nash was a role player player 1/3 of his career. Same draft Nash didn’t come to stardom until the rule change of hand checking.
He was already an all star before the rule changes.
@@zombie92110 he was but not close in the conversation of top PG in the league until the rule change
@@zombie92110 he benefited from the rule change
@@dtg0342 Iverson benefited from the rule changes too. Like every perimeter player. The difference is that Nash capitalised on it way better than AI.
@@zombie92110what rule changes did AI benefit from??? They was letting Penny and everyone else carry but as soon as AI starts carrying they want to start ENFORCING the rule.
Nash clears that shot chucker😂😂
Nash couldn't make 1 final even tho having multiple all time great offensive team. Averaged 14ppg lol. Prime was a 19 and 9 assist guy. Great playmaker but let's not act like Nash is curry lol.
@@SamuelMills-ez4joaccolades and stats merchant 🫵🏽🫵🏽😂😂🫵🏽🤗
@@SamuelMills-ez4jo
Box score merchant 😭. Id like to see iverson get past the spurs instead of ray allen 💀💀.
@@SamuelMills-ez4joTo be fair Nash was in the tough ass west while AI was in the cupcake east
@@King_Boo_5nash had dirk, amare stoudemire and shawn marion.
What if Nash in his prime took 24-25 shots a game on 50 40 90 shooting.
STAT WAS A MVP CANDIDATE TIL THE KNICKS TRADED FOR MELO THIS THEY BUILT THE OFFENSE AROUND MELO THAT'S WHY AMARE DIDNT FINISHED TOP 5 IN MVP THAT SEASON BEFORE MELO GOT THERE HE WAS ON HIS WAY ......THIS IS WHY U HAD TO WATCH GAMES INSTEAD OF GOING TO YOUR COMPUTER & LOOK UP STATS BECAUSE IT NEVER TELL THE WHOLE STORY ABOUT A PLAYER THE EYE TRST IS THE MOST IMPORTANT STAT IN NBA DEBATES
Eye Test>Analytics
Amare finished 6th in mvp votes with Nash.
Joe Johnson went from the 3rd/4th option in Phoenix to the first option in ATL, of course his numbers would improve. But look at his career trajectory and you see where the upswing takes place.
Marion is the player to use as a great example if you want to discredit Nash. Marion was impressive with Kidd and showed he was going to be something special with Marbury.
Who was Nash without D’antoni ?
@@Thanosdidtherighthing 2x all star, 2x all NBA, 2x 3 point contest winner at all star weekend. 2nd in the league in total assists in 04, 3rd in apg that same year. 3 different seasons receiving MVP votes.
Between rule changes, personnel changes in coaching and the roster, everything came together perfectly.
I’ve seen Iverson give Nash 50 and win the game with a worse roster, I will say his personality is why he gets a knock, he was selfish but still talented. He still clears Nash to me though.
Clear is crazy Lmao it’s close
@@Heemkeem_9Nah AI playmaking isn’t far off and he was the number 1 assignment for coaches to gameplan against, it’s not close bro real hoopers know.
Goddammit 50 ?? Lmaooo
He wasn't selfish he never had real talent . Nash had real talent an couldn't even sniff a finals
@@Mar-z3u1o they’re in different conferences bringing up who made the finals is idiotic. Once ai got to the west wat happened?
Nash is better but 2000s fans don't value efficiency, shooting, and playmaking
I mean bros not lying but you ain’t have to put us on the spot like that 😂😂 it’s the Jordanheirs era. Ppl prefer superhero ball over Team ball
@@RecapRicoheroball isn’t the problem… brick ball is.
Harden, Early Jordan, Nash and Cp3 can all be labeled as “heroballers”, whether it’s ball dominant scoring or facilitating.
But they all do it efficiently and effectively, unlike A.I, Melo and Russ for example!
@@bondsgoat25 being efficient does not give you the liberty to ignore your teammates and take terrible shots. 😂😂 if Kobe gotta get smoke while doing it and being efficient so do everyone else. Especially harden.
@@bondsgoat25only person tht could be looked at as a hero ball player tht u named is early jordan … hero ball isn’t necessarily associated with ball dominance it’s more of a mentality thing
@@RecapRico A. Harden, Jordan, Nash and CP3 didn’t take terrible shots, only Kobe did.
Which is why each of them were more efficient then Kobe (not that Kobe *WASN’T* efficient)
Em these efficiency arguments are getting out of control
Efficiency is made by kids that was too young to watch basketball during the 2000s
@@Coldskin1 man
Stat's first season with Nash and first season with the knicks Are prettmuch identical, the difference is he was a lot more efficient in his first year with Nash.
Domo saying a reached high level high school basketball is peak
Me personally I would rather have Steve Nash then A.I
I love versatile players but the ball pressure AI got is so bog of a gap wit nash
Damn. I never thought of this matchup. That’s a tough one. It depends on the team tbh.
Nash played with prime dirk, prime Amare, prime Marion, Prime joe johnson, Prime Howard.....not even a final appearance.
Iverson>Nash
Nash only played with Joe one year and bringing up Howard when was was 38 is just nasty and Nash also played in the west which was tougher than the east and when AI went to the west with melo he couldn’t get out the first round and only got out the second round once in his whole career Nash is easily better
@@Dusty3967 Iverson played with Stackhouse, mutumbo, Melo. All guys who never won. compared to prime Dirk, prime amare, prime marion, prime Howard, end of prime kobe....man please. Guys who won rings before or after nash. Iverson wins a ring with one of those guys.
@@cl8355 again when he played with Kobe and Dwight he was 38 and at the end of his career so stop bringing them up and the reason the suns and mavs lost was because of the defense and iverson isn’t helping with that problem because he was also a bad defender if Nash and dirk didn’t work AI and dirk definitely not working
@@Dusty3967 you're giving opinions. I gave facts. Nash played with more talent than A.i. and never touched the finals. That's a fact. Not an opinion
@@cl8355 I also gave facts AI played in a weak conference and only got out the second round once and even when he got with another all nba player in melo he couldn’t get out the first round
ALLEN IVERSON WAS THE FIRST NIGGA EVER TOO WEAR A SLEEVE END OF DISCUSSION
Nash has the most 50/40/90 shooting splits of all time. More than Steph, Larry and KD. IF steve attempts as many a 3pts shot as Steph, he could easily average more than 20 points per game and more than 10 assist per game.
He only got one more than kd and Larry averaged 50/40/90 over a 4 year stretch
Let’s be like Youngboy “AI Nash”
Domo twisting up is wild 😂😂
Domo rolling up on the show is crazy
Tht Shii wild I just seen tht Shii 😂
Bro both are hof let it gooooo
I have alot of issues with the worship of AI and his style of ball, but even I'm like "c'mon bro". There's levels even when it comes to greats. Nash is to Iverson what Dirk is to Shaq.
super nasty comparison
@@everythingiseverything777VERRRRYYY nasty 😂😂🤣 there’s no point guard shaq lol tht would be 2014-2018 Russ if he had hardens skillset .
I get what you’re saying. 🤝🏾
Ahhh, what 🤔, dirk is what to Shaq....... please explain, I'm all ears 👂!!
Dirk top 20 ish all time , Shaq top 10. L
Don't matter if the offense is made for u to playmake if u not a good playmaker
If you swap Steve Nash to the Sixers and Iverson on the suns and the suns would have won a chip. Iverson with Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, Jason Richardson, Amare stoudamire.
they not winning a chip sadly, especially when AI fell off a bit after 06
🤡🤡
Idc bout no numbers I watched both play from beginning to end of their careers and A.i was a better basketball player than Steve Nash
Just that simple
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He’s not tho
What about 2010 Steve Nash?
2nd all-nba, Western Conf Finals, another elite year of Steve Nash
@MOCdude exactly. I was arguing in defense of him. Amare was there but Shawn Marion wasn't. He led that team to the conference finals without Dantoni
@@shaynewilliams3755nas also led the suns to the conference finals in 06 with stoudimire missing that whole season
AI gave kobe and shaq that 1 L in the nba finals. Nash could never stack up to AI
Jalen is cool af
Wait so the gap in scoring for a 6 foot guard who has the oposing teams defense key in on him every. single. night. In the tougest defenaive era is smaller than the playmaking gap?? Ok.
Iverson > Nash , Iverson had more responsibility on his teams scoring & passing.
No the efficiency difference is too significant to make an argument and Steve Nash is a better passer, with primary ball handling responsibilities
LMFAOOOO lie again
@@stephenjean-baptiste8757🤡 the scoring difference is too great nash not even a true superstar avging blow 20 points and had 2 players that avg 20+ double double and play defense.
Nash without his passing wouldnt even be an allstar
@@stephenjean-baptiste8757the only thing nash did is pass
No basketball player puting nash over ai🤡
Steve Nash is overrated. He came into the league at the same time as AI in 96. He didn't become elite until Dantoni and the rule changed.
Amare and Marion were all stars before Nash. Jason Kidd and Gary Payton are both over Nash because they can play in any system. Plus they play defense. AI is a better defender than Nash.
The Iverson disrespect is crazy smh
I believe it's more disappointment than disrespect.....just saying 😐🤔!!
When did steve nash take his team to the finals?
Allen iverson clears
Nash over AI is nasty work lol
Ydkb
Nasty accurate
@@Cotswolds1913What defense d you speak of?
@@bradthomas7431 Doesn’t matter. Both are negative defenders, but one of em (Nash) is far, far superior offensively.
Anyone saying iverson>nash has anti Canadian bias.
Not anti Canadian. Just anti Nash. I like him as a player but he’s no AI. And his 2 MVPs made me NASH hater.
@@jonwade2405 why does nash's mvp makes you hate him but not AI's mvp?
@@strongbone9471he literally said that he's a Nash hater lol
Scoring alot of points don't impress me if u inefficient and don't win ala Allen Iverson
And wtf did Steve nash do? Pointless comment 😂
Nash not scoring n losing is even crazier
AI WITH THOSE SUNS PLAYERS AND DANTONI NUMBERS WOULD BE CRAZY
So they same as Steve nash except a first round exit got it
it wouldn’t be the same, and I love AI
AI got 4 scoring titles. A MVP. And took his team to the finals. Steve nash never took his team to finals
I think to Jalen’s point: hoopers normally lean towards AI because of how hard it is to duplicate. It’s a lot harder to consistently score on people that are taller than you. Especially when you have the ball in your hands and are solely responsible for breaking down the defense and getting a shot. It’s easier to find people who are already in the correct spots because of the system and plays. That D’Antoni system deserves a ton of credit for what Nash did. Even Jeremy Lin had multiple double digit assist games during his Linsanity run with D’Antoni and that was his first ever time getting extended minutes. The system is a HUGE reason why.
Facts and Iverson is listed at 6-0 but really is between 5-10 or 5-11
Nash’s playstyle is equally hard to duplicate. You can’t mirror that level of efficiency once he lets the ball go to either pass or shoot. Only 2-3 guards can do what nash did. Kyrie took Iverson’s traits and did it more effectively 😂
No players just have a harder time appreciating someone’s ability to elevate others and how their style translates to winning a championship in comparison to players who are external talented but play a style less conductive to titles
@@pandabear1576Do you think Kyrie can lead a team to the playoffs every season from his 3rd year till with his best option being Aaron Mckie?
Facts every ball dominant guard had shine in the Dantoni system. One I’m not sure these guys seen the entire career of both these players. Same draft Iverson was an instant star Nash took Phoenix for him to get his shine.
Ron has never made a good point on this channel
This platform is going places, only a matter of time before the uncs come and make a visit. Stephen and shannon lol 👌
This debate is great, but the two players are on different types of teams. Iverson didn't have the same offensive talent around him as Steve Nash. However when you say a player is better than the other, you are isolating them from the team concept. Iverson is better at everything except passing and efficiency. If you saying efficiency holds more weight than D Wade is better than Kobe
How do we know what type of offensive talent A.i had around him, they never got to showcase it!!
@Ilduce7 read off the list of players that played with A.I and see their career averages without him. Nothing stunning
They got to the NBA for doing something, but like I said they never got the chance to show what got them there!!
@@ReverendSam1nobody on the team shot 30% from 3pt😂. Nash had great defenders, shooters, and scorers around him.
@@trendexposure7799 Your point 🤔??
I may not be the biggest AI fan but I got Allen Iverson over Steve Nash.
Why ? and try not to lean solely on 2001
I'm a an AI fan and also Iverson made teams defenses double team him!
@@geronimothatsme711what does that even mean?
Does getting double team make you a better player?
@@JohnSmith-uw4jpthat's they're only argument. When niggas gas up ai they bring up 01 which is crazy. They act like he didn't have a dpoy and I think 6 man of the year and an elite defence where all he had to do was jack up shots and playmake. We saw how he looks next to another elite scorer in melo.
@@donaldf9055Nash couldn't make 1 final even tho playing on multiple all time great offensive. 14ppg lol. Stop treating Nash like he's magic
Im taking AI by a mile. Nash was a great PNR guard and shooter but his defense was beyond ass. Nash was surrounded by shooting and spacing while Iverson spent his prime playing with scrubs in comparison.
You do know AI was a defensive liability right?
Iverson did not play with scrubs. That's a false narrative. His team was one of the best defensive teams in the league. In fact the reason they made it to the finals was thanks to their defense.
Scrubs in comparison or just something different? He played on the best defensive team in basketball then played with prime Melo and then a still good Billups
@@chrilpythen Steve Nash was invisible....
Iverson could at least get you steals, describing someone who is top 15 All-time in steals, a "liability"?.....sheesh
@@dukestandard4743Nash could also get you steals they both can’t stay in front of anyone 😂
Ron reasons/Take are more emotional and weak.
In no way these weirdos believe Steve nash ahead A.I. lol Iverson have far more accolades and made finals lol 😂😂😂😂
Lol, at the end of the day, Steve nash never got any of his teams to the conference finals , let alone the finals!!! Every year that offense would fizzle out in the playoffs!! Ai did get his team to the finals, with less talent! And AI was a much better defender than nash!
Lol that weak ass East, who cares
One plays the lakers and spurs the other plays the fucking bucks cut the shit😂😂
03, 05, 06, 10 he was in wcf
@@welkometodaparty4821 one also gad way more talent!
@jayts4374 right, I forgot about those! But that's even worse that he couldn't make one finals with all that talent!!!
AI didn’t lead the league in scoring 4 times. That is BS. He led the league ONCE. That’s it.
He’s a 4x scoring champion
@@IsaacSanders21he's going by points they go by PPG
I’m pretty sure teams would be a lot happier to knowing they have to play Steve Nash than AI
Not if they’re in a playoff series
@@Cotswolds1913 lol there ain’t a team out there that would want to play AI over Steve nash
@@berto2310then those teams are stupid lol
@@berto2310 If it’s a team that wants to actually win, then yes they will far prefer to play Allen Iverson.
@@Rileylmao_nah you’re stupid 😂😂 it can be harder to game plan for ai than it is nash even if tht team feels like nash is the better player…. Let’s not act like ai isn’t the more talented player by a mile . Ai is more unpredictable and a physical force he can fuck around and average 40 for the series … nash u know wat you’re going to get
Is Domo rolling up?
People love going back in time and talking crazy. At rhe time they both played ain't nobody ever said nash was better than ai because it wouldn't have made any sense. It's still doesn't make any sense.
Facts. Love this take
Because Ai is more popular doesn’t make him better, there are people that love the game from an entertaining side rather than understanding the game. Nash is a better player truthfully
Nah sour mustard def tripping on that ai disrespect
Both play are great let it go
That fact amare was consider a top 10 player in nba during the suns dont really help nash's argument it was bascially a superteam along with shawn marion. And nash was just 2-4th scoring option.
You do realize that the suns got cheated by the spurs n that cost them wa championship
Y'all are pathetic with this discussion. Both were great players with different styles of play. You can't discuss the game of basketball without mentioning them.
Nash is better
IVERSON>>>>>>>NASH
Bro AI was better
The Iverson disrespect continues
Mustard is such a nerd
Allen iverson was never good in the playoffs his points per game skew everything
Nash is was not mvp level before dantoni offense and not after.
This is really a disrespectful comparison 🤦🏾♂️
Ai allday every day.
Why ain't no one bringing up the fact tha Mavs went to their first finals AFTER Nash left...
That was 6 years after. That has no correlation
@@kingjaydex7464naaaaaw it was 2, but still no correlation
They both overrated.
Nash is underrated while ai is overrated.
@@donaldf9055How does Steve nash have two mvps and AI only has one mvp. And steve nash couldnt get his team to a WCF until Amari came and saved his dumbass
Iverson way better not even close
Overrrating Nash again him and cp3 and lebron get the massive glaze
Nash would have never taken that Philly team to the Finals
I can’t remember who said this maybe someone on yt can find it but a ex basketball player said once the rules were changed that’s when it became a guards league and player like Nash had benefit from it
AI scored more points and dribbled cooler. That's about all he's got over Nash
There's a reason why allen Iverson was drafted#1 and Steve Nash was drafted at 16 . When Steve Nash won back to back league mvp's bug how far he took his teams to the playoffs? There's no way in Steve Nash is a better player than Iverson and more importantly I do think he could take that sixers team to the finals. And one other thing while Steve Nash was in Phoenix with Jason kidd he was coming off the bench and when he got traded to Dallas he was the third guy behind Finley and dirk while allen Iverson carry Philly on his back how can you compare?
Those are all lies. People hype up Allen Iverson way to much and you are a prime example. The fact you think Iverson could take that Suns team to the finals is hilarious 😂 and even more hilarious if you think he dragged Philly to the finals. You clearly don't know how good that Philly team was defensively.
Nash plays a different role on his teams than iverson so your comparison to him being a 3 as far as shots taken is stupid.
I mean he did lead his team to the wcf both MVP years.
@jayts4374 no he didn't they lost to the mavericks in 2nd round and the spurs in the 2007 western conference
@@jimmycharlotin7050 05 suns lost to spurs in wcf in 5 , 06 lost to mavs in wcf in 6. 07 he didn't win mvp
AI is one of the most overrated players of all time, AI is lucky he didn’t play when social media was as big as it is now.
Stick to power scaling anime bro🤣
@@Coldskin1 Ur name matches ur take that Tmac Ai are better scorers over peak Wade 🤣🤣🤣
@@King_Boo_5 they got more scoring titles and wade only avg over 28+ pts points once. The fact you think this even a hot take is an hot take and you clearly didnt watch basketball in the 2000s.
Stick to anime shrimp
@@King_Boo_5 the playoff argument dont work with AI he out scores him for pre game in there too. Dont bring up the efficiency argument, AI mid, 3s, and ft percentage is higher than wade.
@@Coldskin1 Efficiency is an argument u mfs love to throw out efficiency because of how bad it makes AI look and some of these early 2000s players look 🤣🤣 AI was not good from the 3 point line not my fault he kept chucking them up. Just because he took more doesn’t give him a pass. Wade was MILES more efficient than AI. What Wade gives you with slashing clears everything AI has 🤣🤣
a prime Langston Galloway (when he was on the Knicks) had a better run than A.I. in his rookie season
Can you send me your plug?
@@hussonnkingsr chill gang this different gasss
The gap is on defense. End of story. Iverson led the league in steals 3 times, and averaged I believe 2 steals for his career. He was also a much better on-ball defender, and more clutch. Offensively, if you want to give Nash playmaking, shooting, and efficiency, that's fine. Iverson has everything else; meaning post game, finishing, shot creation, midrange, IQ, ball-handling, handles(they are different for those who never played), drawing fouls, and leadership both offensively and defensively.
The trouble w/A.i was he never allowed his abilities & talent to b harnessed into a superstar player. Nash was more revered than he should've been, he was a system player in a flawed system......no more no less!!
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I don’t know where this Iverson revisionist history is coming from with everyone tryna tarnish his legacy. Just know y’all gon pay..
This topic is shameful
Yaw talk about Ai with 2001 well take Nash away from Dantoni system. Wtf
AI CLEARS EZ
Domo jus casually rolling up😭
Put the suns in the east and they have multiple finals appearances , but the sixers in the west and it’ll be a miracle if they can make it out the west 💀
FACTS
Let’s put Nash on the 76ers and AI on the suns to see what happens😂. Nash probably won’t even make the playoffs in the EAST. Who will Nash be passing the ball to on the 76ers? Nobody shot 30 percent from 3pt on the roster. Nash wouldn’t know what to do if he had to score 30 every night remember that.
Ai is a freak athlete.