A majority of the translations I've done are similar to that, like a single letter and number. The data pad in this video is one that confuses me the most - but there's also a massive tower that just has the letter "Z"...
b5jtar, when pronounced the way we pronounced acronyms in the military, would sound like B 5 Jaytar, which sounds roughly similar to a lot of the acronyms we would say in the modern world. Not sure if this helps any. Has a kind of missile-sounding name.
I think this is what you would call 'Hard Sci-fi'. Where you go hard in detail of a fictional world's background and culture with all the small details and stuff to flesh it out by... a lot.
The announcer at Annex Ridge references 3 dig sites (4-D, 4-E, and 6-E, I believe) during one of his announcements. The large Halo display within the main room has a holographic marker designating 3 areas close to one another. No such thing as coincidence...?
Many of the outposts have a reoccurring symbol combo, so it's possible that's what it's MEANT to represent, but it's never the only symbol combo so it's hard to judge. I'll have to keep looking, but there's so many outposts to reference lol
Very impressed by your research and also the detail that was put into this game. They didn’t have to make an alphabet or a base-4 numerical system. They could have just made it vague nonsense. Despite the various issues with the game I can clearly see there was passion involved in making it. Maybe you could dive into some of the leaks and deleted content to speculate on what DLC we might be getting soon? I know there are plenty of channels doing this but I’d like to see your take on it.
Ok Nomster, hear me out... when you have a different language, the words are different. given that the brutes are aliens that evolved completely different to us, they logically have their own way of writing, and note taking - eg, the letters in the strange example you showed could mean building five or something, anyway just my thoughts...
I would personally love deep dives on the history and lore of the forerunners, and other alien races that make up the halo universe. Videos with your investigative touch would be great.
I bet it's military abbreviations. Like how "M4AR" Is "model 4 Assault Rifle". I'm guessing something like "Base/Build/Brute(-owned) #5 Joint Tactics, Assault and Recon"? Just off the top of my head (depends where this came from).
Not to sound overdramatic but your lore videos are genuinely SO GODDAMN COOL! I love it when the lore of the Ex-Covenant races gets expanded and this is EXACTLY the kind thing that fuels that, idk how you even uncovered this but you have 110% earned that imaginary archeological degree!
On the lore side, the fact that the Banished presumably switched from the Covenant's Standard Sangheili script to a language system either devised by them or from some older form of Jiralhanae language is actually a super cool detail that imo really helps to distinguish their culture from that of the Covenant in a uniquely grounded way, I hope there proves to be more to it's use.
Dude, good stuff, I love watching Halo theory videos, there’s nothing else just quite like it, hope that folder of Halo 3 Sandtrap theories just got a new friend
I love watching these videos once the game released i got a random recommendation for one of your videos and I have to say you produce some of the best halo content on TH-cam! Keep the gold coming!
This is the type of research I do when I’m high past midnight but instead of making TH-cam videos on it I just go insane wondering why everything is like it is 😅😂😂
Red Nomster back at it again with the text. You already know it’s gonna be a good one. As for future mysteries.. hmmm… man I don’t know honestly! LOL you keep finding stuff I’d never even think about. I’m out here like “Grunt sandwich. Da Xbox. Who were the cavemen in Halo 3?!” and the answer is literally “it’s all memes, dude, wtf??” Honestly if you don’t have any current ideas for mysteries, I’d be down just to get your style of video going over a bit of the Halo lore that we know about. Maybe just delving into the history of a particular race and going over little known facts or details hinted at but not confirmed. The way you narrate these videos is so encapsulating. I know it suits the mystery style video more but like.. maybe starting off with a similar premise to this video where you share an ingame thing and then explore the reasons behind said thing. Have you ever wondered why the grunts are so hilarious? Let’s explore that mystery. XD I dunno. Whatever you think is fun! Don’t conform to us if you’re not interested.
That sounds fun :) I use the mystery format because it's a more effective and engaging way to educate imo. And I really enjoy writing stories! I'll definitely drop lore exploration videos as time goes on but I've got several videos still that are about new or obscure mysteries. Thanks for the feedback brother 🙏
@@RedNomster of course, my guy. I think you could totally write lore videos that still *sound* like mystery videos. And coming from you? That would be the equivalent to eating a McDonald’s meal except it was made by a famous chef. “I can have a Big Mac.. prepared by GORDON RAMSEY?!” So I’m hyped to see your future content in all forms. :) But definitely consider it! Even if the answers have been explained, it would still be cool to see you phrase the video like it’s a mystery. I feel like you could basically be the Vaatividya for all things Halo content with an emphasis on uncovering new things that we’ve never thought of. And I genuinely think your content is absolutely good enough to where you could realistically be as big.
Some might say this is nonsense and thus a waste of time. But the way I see it, even if there was no meaning, perhaps your ‘translation’ would still create a new tool for the devs to use when writing the banished language. Or maybe it is true and the Devs did create a code for us to unravel, either way it’s fun.
It could be some arbitrary labeling system, but it just doesn't make sense that the symbols have full capability of being the Latin alphabet and a decimal number system. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they decided to cut the use of the texture as an actual language, and repurposed the complete system by only using handpicked symbols as arbitrary stamps (to represent military code, rather than actually be military code)
Great breakdown and excited to learn more. Did you notice that the banished logo/symbol replacing “XYZ” also looks very similar to the Endless symbol on their tablets? Any connections?
A really intresting topic and it got me thinking that the alphabet could acctuly have 49 different letters, we don’t know how the banished encrypt there information so we can assume that almost like they count to 40 they could have 49 diffrent letters aswell. And just like the greek alphabet they maybe aren’t sorted as the english alphabet(ABC) and instead has somthing like XJL or BCA who knows.
Another great video man, that was really impressive how you broke down the brute counting system. (Also, if you ever need a video editor, keep ya boy here in mind maybe?)
Why hasnt someone in 343 contacted you yet and either gave you a easter egg or brought you in. Your single handily exposing and boosting the game lore and intrigue on your back. Lol quite honestly this has become the only channel i get excited about updates from.
I'd welcome 343's acknowledgement with open arms but I'm far too small 😅 Every other channel is busy chasing the trend of shitting on Halo's cut content. Which is fine, but I'm not interested in watching that type of content, so I don't make it They're looking to the past, but I'll be investigating the present for the immediate future
Part of me genuinely wonders if there's any correlation with the banished language and the covenant language since the banish originally formed from the covenant and just like with vehicles they kind of brute Style it so it's possible they could have taken forms of the covenant language and correlated that into the banished language with some of their own unique twist to it
Sangheili was the most common spoken language in the Covenant despite all the other races most likely having their own native languages. It would be a surprise if Jiralhanae mixed their language with the former.
I would believe the second set of symbols are more Phonics than letters. I mean C can make the K or S sound so C doesnt exist. And maybe a missing vowel?
I think b5jtar make sense, considering banished mentions bases? With C-3 and like that, and jtar being a banished name, which i dont think can be discarded considering the name gbraakon also sounds like a meaningless word for us
What makes you think the last number is 40? Given that the symbols are in base 4 and change at 4 (4^1) and 16 (4^2) wouldn't it make more sense to be 64 (4^3)?
It's possible, but it's more likely that the "40" symbol in this video is actually a cut off piece of 38. ANY symbol the starts from the top left and diagonally travels to the bottom right = 1 in value, if you look at the other symbols for comparison
On the topic of why the translation doesn’t make sense: I think you, sadly, might be correct. It’s known that there was a lot of outsourcing done where others would work on various parts of the game for a length of time before leaving the project. I wonder if these texts were written by a potential individual who was very keen on creating a language of some kind only for whoever actually placed the language into the game to not understand their specific ordering OR not think the player base would actually decipher it. Looking at the symbols, it’s super obvious to US that it’s relevant. A level designer might just simply not care as much, especially if they weren’t even from the same company as whoever did the textures in the first place. It’s a possibility that the textures were even created by one individual person. I wouldn’t be surprised. :( But I hope somebody at 343 sees this video and either realizes the possible mistake OR confirms your translation is wrong. But there’s basically absolutely no way your translation of the numerical symbols is wrong. The second I saw them, it was very apparent. It’s like a combination of the Roman Numeral system and basic tally marks. It isn’t as simple as just lines with the 5 being a diagonal across the previous four, but it doesn’t seem like they have a special symbol for “this value below the next symbol” the way Roman numerals use IV instead of IIII or XL for saying 40 instead of just XXXX. So they have unique symbols for 4 and 4 groups of 4 (16) but 3 isn’t notated like 1 before 4 it’s just three ones. 15 isn’t 1 before 16 it’s just a the mark for 4, 4, 4, and 1, 1, 1. Hence the combo of both systems.
I think it'd make more sense that they have their own alphabet, rather than different symbols for the same English letters. I DO like your analysis of their numbers and counting system, though!
It would make sense obviously, but I'm basing my analysis off of the fact that some forerunner languages directly translate to english, and the unlikely appearance of 26 symbols exactly. Thanks volt!
@@RedNomster Truuuuuue, that is good evidence. I'm getting lost in the in-world speculation and disregarding that it IS a game made by someone used to a real-world alphabet.
The symbol you marked for forty doesn’t make sense as forty because based on this system, you wouldn’t need a new symbol until 64 because you have icons for everything up to 63.
I put 40 originally because, if it *is* a cut off symbol, it's clearly not 38-39 based off the design of the upper lines of 30. We'd be able to see 2 lines not just 1. So, either the last symbol is simply unfinished design wise somehow, or it's 40 and cut off. I should've mentioned that the tiny symbol isn't assumed to be a new standalone symbol like 4. I also assume 40 because it's the next possible symbol in the otherwise perfect sequence that it could be, so it has more merit than say, 49
Is it possible that the translation is correct and that b5jtar is just a serial number for this particular building, since they had hundreds of them ready to drop? Are they present in the very first mission when you jump from one to the other before reaching the pelican?
It's hard to say. If we saw any indication that that's how it works it'd be easy. Like, if a brute says, protect b5! Then it'd a closed case. Just need a provable connection
I had a question like do you really think the banished use alphabets such as 'c' considering the brutes more simplistic approach towards stuff why would they over complicate their language or do you think that there language might use different words for the h sound like the sound 'p as in pilot' and 'ph' as in phone
I've thought about this before but the covenant (sangheili) and forerunners also have symbol languages that DIRECTLY translate to english. To use lore to define how the Banished speak/write is probably counter intuitive in translating symbols like these, as the precedent is that it doesn't generally matter
@@RedNomster nah I just find it weird that aliens would use two different alphabets for the same sounds like J and Z and it also explains the the two missing alphabets the banished might not use the alphabet Z
Are there any long bits of this writing found in the world? Then you could use frequency analysis. This uses stats of the most common letters. The most common letter is e for example. Pun not intended.
but what if the brute alphabet doesnt have some words, or have new, unknown words, like the greek alphabet with the letters delta, sigma, omega and xi?
It's entirely possible - I'm working off the logic that the first set of symbols is 26 symbols long, the company is American, and that previously translated forerunner languages translate to English
The extra symbol should be 64 in base 4. Also I am not sure why you count down on the left hand after passing 15. This numbering system requires 1 hand per place value, so counting over 15 requires 3 hands (or a second brute). If you have actual reasoning for this I would like to hear it.
The extra symbol is not 64. It's likely a cut off representation of 38, as the only part we see is a piece that is slanted, traveling from top left to bottom right. As you can see from every other number that isn't cut off, a slanted segment of this nature always represents 1 in value, making it impossible to be any number with a value divisible by 4. Also, if you're confused about how I'm counting base 4 over 15 with just two hands, pay attention to my thumb. Before 15, my thumb is containing my un-used finger, after 15, my thumb is contained by my used fingers. Now, brutes don't have thumbs, so they likely rotate their hands like I did after 32. For perspective's sake, I used my thumb to represent this, as that's how actual base 4 is counted on a five fingered hand. If you pay attention to the symbols they're compared to, my fingers also correlate with the shape of the symbol if using this method. 4 = 1 finger up 12 = 3 fingers up 20 = 1 finger down 24 = 2 fingers down You don't need a third hand to count base four using this method until ~360 if you only include thumb holds, 90 degree wrist pitch rotations, and 90 degree wrist yaw rotations. But brutes can still can't well over 15 on their thumbless hands because they do in fact have wrists. Again, instead of wrapping their thumb with a downed finger, they'd simply rotate their hand like I did at 32, and begin putting fingers down thereafter.
I haven't really found any indicator of it being a cipher. The closest being that the first 49 symbols (the letters) all derive from the exact same 16 segments. Check out my community posts on TH-cam I posted pictures there :)
Most combinations are just 1 letter and 1 number, or 2 letters, do hard to tell unfortunately. Some strings like the one in the video have no translation via anagrams either though
The flood originates from precursors turning themselves into powder to hide from the forerunners but then the powder corrupted over time, and what rematerialized was the flood. That's the cannon lore lol
What if it's like the Japanese alphabet? They have 3 alphabets. Hiragana, Katakana & Kanji. Maybe their just sound vovels of sorts & not based off the Latin alphabet.
The numbers are 100% numbers, unless they made an alphabet that's disguised as a number system (like a = 1, b = 2) but that seems unnecessary lol Good point though 👌
At the 6.00 minute mark when he's looking up at the sky, there appears to be a structure or ship or something with lights. It's right in the middle of his health bar, right next to the ring. At quick glance it just looks like stars. But when you look closer, there are 3 rows of stars/lights with groups at the top of the screen that are rounded off into a curve. The lines and groups at the top just seem too perfectly lined up to be randomly placed stars in the sky. And it also looks like there is an outline along the edges of it as well. Not sure if anyone else noticed this or not. So I'm not sure if it's just me or if there really is something there. Any thoughts?
@@typhoonsy2850 ahhh I gotcha. I thought that's what it might have been but wasn't sure if that's what it actually was or not. I just didn't know if it had been confirmed or not. I appreciate it.
That looks b5(hjl)taR… lowercase H J and L look the same. H might have a flat bottom on the rightmost segment, but J and L really look exactly the same AFAICT. Still meaninglessness unfortunately
I noticed that as well, but it wasn't really worth mentioning because it changes nothing like you said. Probably just a dev mistake when compiling the symbols into 1 texture :)
Bro I don’t know how to tell you this but, you really think 343 spend all this time money and resources creating a fake alphabet or do you think they just designed random banished looking symbols to get the job done quicker.
They 100% designed a number system, you can't do that by accident - it has mathematically proven patterns. As for the letters, it's 10x easier to create a fake English alphabet than it is to create a functional number system. So saying it is unlikely they made a fake alphabet because of time/money/resources is a misplaced assumption - there's proof that they did way more than just an alphabet already
Not everyone working at a game company is in it for the money. A lot if them truly love the games and universe's they get to help build. It is actually crazy to think there's people there who DONT try to add to something that they grew up loving and now working on and they have the opportunity to do so.
you could convince me that the 'M' above my local mcdonalds has a mystical and deep ancient meaning with how well you put these together
It's midnight and I'm driving to mcdonalds because of you
M = MhhhLuminati
there's also the chance that some of the text is written like how military names are written, for example the "UH-60 Black Hawk," or the "B-2 Condor."
A majority of the translations I've done are similar to that, like a single letter and number. The data pad in this video is one that confuses me the most - but there's also a massive tower that just has the letter "Z"...
@@RedNomster could it be something like labels for the different bases? Like how humans have stuff like FOB Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, etc?
@@zoesidener7724 it's definitely a possibility, we just have to cover more ground collecting symbols from different bases to see :)
Holy man. Hats off to 343 for expanding the lore so well and hats off to you for revealing it. This is what halos magic is about.
the other 2 languages are the sangheili and the kig-yars alphabets with maybe some unggoy alphabet most likely
I felt those punches at 5:09 thats called getting hit with the truth.
This is quickly becoming one of my favorite TH-cam channels, I love these kinds of game deep dives
Thanks Hunter! Working on more as we speak 👌
b5jtar, when pronounced the way we pronounced acronyms in the military, would sound like B 5 Jaytar, which sounds roughly similar to a lot of the acronyms we would say in the modern world. Not sure if this helps any. Has a kind of missile-sounding name.
The last symbol in Lowercase letter looks like auditorium (6 pillars and 3 life workers)
I love the halo lore thanks for discussing this ❤️
I think this is what you would call 'Hard Sci-fi'. Where you go hard in detail of a fictional world's background and culture with all the small details and stuff to flesh it out by... a lot.
The announcer at Annex Ridge references 3 dig sites (4-D, 4-E, and 6-E, I believe) during one of his announcements. The large Halo display within the main room has a holographic marker designating 3 areas close to one another. No such thing as coincidence...?
Many of the outposts have a reoccurring symbol combo, so it's possible that's what it's MEANT to represent, but it's never the only symbol combo so it's hard to judge. I'll have to keep looking, but there's so many outposts to reference lol
@@RedNomster Excellent video though man! You and the discord team are doing some impressive work!
Very impressed by your research and also the detail that was put into this game. They didn’t have to make an alphabet or a base-4 numerical system. They could have just made it vague nonsense. Despite the various issues with the game I can clearly see there was passion involved in making it.
Maybe you could dive into some of the leaks and deleted content to speculate on what DLC we might be getting soon? I know there are plenty of channels doing this but I’d like to see your take on it.
I'd love to! I'm covering the implications behind Atriox's cut audio logs in my next video so I'm down
Thanks brother 🙏
This video is perfect red. Loved it.
It's like Saturday cartoons with cereal, but for adults.
best halo channel of 2022
🤝
*Leave a comment* suggesting what mystery you'd like me to deep-dive into next! :D
Ok Nomster, hear me out... when you have a different language, the words are different. given that the brutes are aliens that evolved completely different to us, they logically have their own way of writing, and note taking - eg, the letters in the strange example you showed could mean building five or something, anyway just my thoughts...
@@Firefrab it's possible, but as far as lore goes, even some forerunner languages directly translate to english :)
love your videos dude keep up the awesome work
@@JodaCrew Thanks Joda! :D
I would personally love deep dives on the history and lore of the forerunners, and other alien races that make up the halo universe. Videos with your investigative touch would be great.
Dang, you’re so good at this. Season 2 is gonna be sweet since big updates are coming to both play modes
Appreciate it D L, excited for the updates!
I'm so glad I discovered you, the rabbit hole has been wonderful n.n
Great video bro! Buzzing for your breakdowns when DLC drops👀
I can feel the sleep deprivation approaching already 🤝
I bet it's military abbreviations. Like how "M4AR" Is "model 4 Assault Rifle". I'm guessing something like "Base/Build/Brute(-owned) #5 Joint Tactics, Assault and Recon"? Just off the top of my head (depends where this came from).
Not to sound overdramatic but your lore videos are genuinely SO GODDAMN COOL! I love it when the lore of the Ex-Covenant races gets expanded and this is EXACTLY the kind thing that fuels that, idk how you even uncovered this but you have 110% earned that imaginary archeological degree!
On the lore side, the fact that the Banished presumably switched from the Covenant's Standard Sangheili script to a language system either devised by them or from some older form of Jiralhanae language is actually a super cool detail that imo really helps to distinguish their culture from that of the Covenant in a uniquely grounded way, I hope there proves to be more to it's use.
Appreciate the kind words JB 🙏 I'm grateful there are people who enjoy my interests, there's so much yet to explore! And I love telling stories :)
How deep you go into this just blows my mind. Cheers this is great content.
Appreciate the kind words :) uncovering secrets hidden in the halo TV trailer soon!
Dude, good stuff, I love watching Halo theory videos, there’s nothing else just quite like it, hope that folder of Halo 3 Sandtrap theories just got a new friend
Folders inside of folders at this point
🕳🐇
Thanks for the motivation brother!
Keep em coming man I love this stuff
More on they way
I love watching these videos once the game released i got a random recommendation for one of your videos and I have to say you produce some of the best halo content on TH-cam! Keep the gold coming!
Thanks for the motivation Eythan! Glad you found the channel 🙌
The B5 J’tar sounds like something the brutes would use to classify something.
Great video! I think the Banished either speak"l33t" or they have an Ikea-like parts catalogue.
This is the type of research I do when I’m high past midnight but instead of making TH-cam videos on it I just go insane wondering why everything is like it is 😅😂😂
More great work, can't wait till this channel blows up massively
🙏
My new Fav. Halo Channel
Glad you're here :) thanks for the motivation!
Red Nomster back at it again with the text.
You already know it’s gonna be a good one.
As for future mysteries.. hmmm… man I don’t know honestly! LOL you keep finding stuff I’d never even think about.
I’m out here like “Grunt sandwich. Da Xbox. Who were the cavemen in Halo 3?!” and the answer is literally “it’s all memes, dude, wtf??”
Honestly if you don’t have any current ideas for mysteries, I’d be down just to get your style of video going over a bit of the Halo lore that we know about. Maybe just delving into the history of a particular race and going over little known facts or details hinted at but not confirmed.
The way you narrate these videos is so encapsulating. I know it suits the mystery style video more but like.. maybe starting off with a similar premise to this video where you share an ingame thing and then explore the reasons behind said thing. Have you ever wondered why the grunts are so hilarious? Let’s explore that mystery. XD I dunno. Whatever you think is fun! Don’t conform to us if you’re not interested.
That sounds fun :) I use the mystery format because it's a more effective and engaging way to educate imo. And I really enjoy writing stories!
I'll definitely drop lore exploration videos as time goes on but I've got several videos still that are about new or obscure mysteries. Thanks for the feedback brother 🙏
@@RedNomster of course, my guy.
I think you could totally write lore videos that still *sound* like mystery videos.
And coming from you? That would be the equivalent to eating a McDonald’s meal except it was made by a famous chef. “I can have a Big Mac.. prepared by GORDON RAMSEY?!”
So I’m hyped to see your future content in all forms. :)
But definitely consider it! Even if the answers have been explained, it would still be cool to see you phrase the video like it’s a mystery.
I feel like you could basically be the Vaatividya for all things Halo content with an emphasis on uncovering new things that we’ve never thought of. And I genuinely think your content is absolutely good enough to where you could realistically be as big.
@@hctaz 🥺
@@RedNomster
I love "as an imaginary archeologist"
No better way of describing it 😏
Some might say this is nonsense and thus a waste of time. But the way I see it, even if there was no meaning, perhaps your ‘translation’ would still create a new tool for the devs to use when writing the banished language. Or maybe it is true and the Devs did create a code for us to unravel, either way it’s fun.
4 months late but do you think the text on the bases could just be some weird banished version of a production or military code or whatever?
It could be some arbitrary labeling system, but it just doesn't make sense that the symbols have full capability of being the Latin alphabet and a decimal number system. The only thing that makes sense to me is that they decided to cut the use of the texture as an actual language, and repurposed the complete system by only using handpicked symbols as arbitrary stamps (to represent military code, rather than actually be military code)
Peer reviewed Halo lore. Awesome.
🤝
The symbols atop the excavation laser might be a nice place to visit.
Great breakdown and excited to learn more.
Did you notice that the banished logo/symbol replacing “XYZ” also looks very similar to the Endless symbol on their tablets?
Any connections?
Thanks Michael!
I did find connections - I mention the possibility of a rabbit hole opening there briefly. It'll open completely in my next video 😁
your content is one of the best out there when it comes to Halo Mysteries recently!
🥺 thanks for your kindness!
@@RedNomster nah man, I thank YOU for making this awesome content! keep it up bud.
Another absolute banger video
A really intresting topic and it got me thinking that the alphabet could acctuly have 49 different letters, we don’t know how the banished encrypt there information so we can assume that almost like they count to 40 they could have 49 diffrent letters aswell. And just like the greek alphabet they maybe aren’t sorted as the english alphabet(ABC) and instead has somthing like XJL or BCA who knows.
Oh yes I’m already enjoying before the video starts, as a kid putting the Star Wars VHS into the video tape player.
I could in only imagine what a future species would think of us using random numbers and letters for model numbers on objects
Ok you’re absolutely brilliant! Great vid!
Thanks B! :D means a lot.
This was really interesting to learn about.
Thanks brother, that's always my goal if nothing else!
0:58 I don't know how many times I've done that. I really should do it more often in games though...
Perhaps look at where they are found, perhaps infer meanings and then that should tell us more. Also one of the symbols is the banished symbol
I'll be covering the banished symbol in my next video because that's a rabbit hole all by itself 😅
Another great video man, that was really impressive how you broke down the brute counting system.
(Also, if you ever need a video editor, keep ya boy here in mind maybe?)
I wonder if the stalker rifle or shock rifle have any of these symbols on them? Or maybe some of the vehicles?
u r talented af
Why hasnt someone in 343 contacted you yet and either gave you a easter egg or brought you in. Your single handily exposing and boosting the game lore and intrigue on your back. Lol quite honestly this has become the only channel i get excited about updates from.
I'd welcome 343's acknowledgement with open arms but I'm far too small 😅
Every other channel is busy chasing the trend of shitting on Halo's cut content. Which is fine, but I'm not interested in watching that type of content, so I don't make it
They're looking to the past, but I'll be investigating the present for the immediate future
Behold. Red uploaded a video
I wish my membership of the Chumash tribe could be of use here, but I got nothin.. Good video though. This is one of my favorite Halo channels.
Small world! And thank you for the kind words
i caught the base 4 aspect before you even mentioned it. regardless the "missing" lowercase letters need more attention.
Agreed, that's why I mentioned the xyz tidbit being in a future video :)
Part of me genuinely wonders if there's any correlation with the banished language and the covenant language since the banish originally formed from the covenant and just like with vehicles they kind of brute Style it so it's possible they could have taken forms of the covenant language and correlated that into the banished language with some of their own unique twist to it
Sangheili was the most common spoken language in the Covenant despite all the other races most likely having their own native languages. It would be a surprise if Jiralhanae mixed their language with the former.
Nice! Do some video about ancient humans??
🤔
Considering the structure of the Banished, they most likely use military style acronyms.
I would believe the second set of symbols are more Phonics than letters. I mean C can make the K or S sound so C doesnt exist. And maybe a missing vowel?
"Attempts to roughly translate one word".
Video ends...
I've translated ~30 combinations. Showing more than one failed translation is redundant lol
I think b5jtar make sense, considering banished mentions bases? With C-3 and like that, and jtar being a banished name, which i dont think can be discarded considering the name gbraakon also sounds like a meaningless word for us
Agreed
Good and talented persons always succeed in their work. So let's be that person and win the battle 👍👏👌👍❤️🙋🏽♀️👍👌👏
What if the extra symbols are just accented and the big boi is just their marker
Apply the key to the banished computers and used audio log screens
Just a thought, but could some of those symbols stand for punctuation?
What makes you think the last number is 40? Given that the symbols are in base 4 and change at 4 (4^1) and 16 (4^2) wouldn't it make more sense to be 64 (4^3)?
It's possible, but it's more likely that the "40" symbol in this video is actually a cut off piece of 38. ANY symbol the starts from the top left and diagonally travels to the bottom right = 1 in value, if you look at the other symbols for comparison
B5 could stand for Base 5
This is 100 percent exactly like siva in destiny pleaae go look qt the symbolw
Havent watched yet but they seemed to me like numerals
4:20 Why does your adams apple look like Mr Incredible?
Now I wanna hold hands with you 😂
Anytime 😉
Bungie launched witch queen on 222 and savath means 12 and un is 1 so 222+121=343 ?
On the topic of why the translation doesn’t make sense:
I think you, sadly, might be correct. It’s known that there was a lot of outsourcing done where others would work on various parts of the game for a length of time before leaving the project. I wonder if these texts were written by a potential individual who was very keen on creating a language of some kind only for whoever actually placed the language into the game to not understand their specific ordering OR not think the player base would actually decipher it.
Looking at the symbols, it’s super obvious to US that it’s relevant. A level designer might just simply not care as much, especially if they weren’t even from the same company as whoever did the textures in the first place. It’s a possibility that the textures were even created by one individual person. I wouldn’t be surprised. :(
But I hope somebody at 343 sees this video and either realizes the possible mistake OR confirms your translation is wrong. But there’s basically absolutely no way your translation of the numerical symbols is wrong. The second I saw them, it was very apparent. It’s like a combination of the Roman Numeral system and basic tally marks. It isn’t as simple as just lines with the 5 being a diagonal across the previous four, but it doesn’t seem like they have a special symbol for “this value below the next symbol” the way Roman numerals use IV instead of IIII or XL for saying 40 instead of just XXXX.
So they have unique symbols for 4 and 4 groups of 4 (16) but 3 isn’t notated like 1 before 4 it’s just three ones. 15 isn’t 1 before 16 it’s just a the mark for 4, 4, 4, and 1, 1, 1.
Hence the combo of both systems.
I think it'd make more sense that they have their own alphabet, rather than different symbols for the same English letters. I DO like your analysis of their numbers and counting system, though!
It would make sense obviously, but I'm basing my analysis off of the fact that some forerunner languages directly translate to english, and the unlikely appearance of 26 symbols exactly.
Thanks volt!
@@RedNomster
Truuuuuue, that is good evidence. I'm getting lost in the in-world speculation and disregarding that it IS a game made by someone used to a real-world alphabet.
The symbol you marked for forty doesn’t make sense as forty because based on this system, you wouldn’t need a new symbol until 64 because you have icons for everything up to 63.
I put 40 originally because, if it *is* a cut off symbol, it's clearly not 38-39 based off the design of the upper lines of 30. We'd be able to see 2 lines not just 1.
So, either the last symbol is simply unfinished design wise somehow, or it's 40 and cut off. I should've mentioned that the tiny symbol isn't assumed to be a new standalone symbol like 4. I also assume 40 because it's the next possible symbol in the otherwise perfect sequence that it could be, so it has more merit than say, 49
Is it possible that the translation is correct and that b5jtar is just a serial number for this particular building, since they had hundreds of them ready to drop? Are they present in the very first mission when you jump from one to the other before reaching the pelican?
It's hard to say. If we saw any indication that that's how it works it'd be easy. Like, if a brute says, protect b5! Then it'd a closed case. Just need a provable connection
@gudi
I would not be able to do this at the time my brain hurts trying to understand this 😵💫
ur a genius
🤝
I can’t believe you called it “Banished” and not “Ban-ish”
🤯
that poor grunt :(((
He caught these digging hands
I had a question like do you really think the banished use alphabets such as 'c' considering the brutes more simplistic approach towards stuff why would they over complicate their language or do you think that there language might use different words for the h sound like the sound 'p as in pilot' and 'ph' as in phone
I've thought about this before but the covenant (sangheili) and forerunners also have symbol languages that DIRECTLY translate to english. To use lore to define how the Banished speak/write is probably counter intuitive in translating symbols like these, as the precedent is that it doesn't generally matter
@@RedNomster nah I just find it weird that aliens would use two different alphabets for the same sounds like J and Z and it also explains the the two missing alphabets the banished might not use the alphabet Z
Are there any long bits of this writing found in the world? Then you could use frequency analysis. This uses stats of the most common letters. The most common letter is e for example. Pun not intended.
Bruteish or Jiralhanese?
What if the Banished language is a bastardization of all the species combined?
Well, we don't know what any of them look like so that wouldn't help much, but it makes sense lore wise
but what if the brute alphabet doesnt have some words, or have new, unknown words, like the greek alphabet with the letters delta, sigma, omega and xi?
It's entirely possible - I'm working off the logic that the first set of symbols is 26 symbols long, the company is American, and that previously translated forerunner languages translate to English
@@RedNomster makes sense
The extra symbol should be 64 in base 4. Also I am not sure why you count down on the left hand after passing 15. This numbering system requires 1 hand per place value, so counting over 15 requires 3 hands (or a second brute). If you have actual reasoning for this I would like to hear it.
The extra symbol is not 64.
It's likely a cut off representation of 38, as the only part we see is a piece that is slanted, traveling from top left to bottom right. As you can see from every other number that isn't cut off, a slanted segment of this nature always represents 1 in value, making it impossible to be any number with a value divisible by 4.
Also, if you're confused about how I'm counting base 4 over 15 with just two hands, pay attention to my thumb. Before 15, my thumb is containing my un-used finger, after 15, my thumb is contained by my used fingers.
Now, brutes don't have thumbs, so they likely rotate their hands like I did after 32. For perspective's sake, I used my thumb to represent this, as that's how actual base 4 is counted on a five fingered hand. If you pay attention to the symbols they're compared to, my fingers also correlate with the shape of the symbol if using this method.
4 = 1 finger up
12 = 3 fingers up
20 = 1 finger down
24 = 2 fingers down
You don't need a third hand to count base four using this method until ~360 if you only include thumb holds, 90 degree wrist pitch rotations, and 90 degree wrist yaw rotations. But brutes can still can't well over 15 on their thumbless hands because they do in fact have wrists.
Again, instead of wrapping their thumb with a downed finger, they'd simply rotate their hand like I did at 32, and begin putting fingers down thereafter.
Is it at all possible that it’s not a language but is really a cipher?
I haven't really found any indicator of it being a cipher. The closest being that the first 49 symbols (the letters) all derive from the exact same 16 segments. Check out my community posts on TH-cam I posted pictures there :)
Seems like an angram to me. Have you tried running it through decryption software?
Most combinations are just 1 letter and 1 number, or 2 letters, do hard to tell unfortunately. Some strings like the one in the video have no translation via anagrams either though
@@RedNomster i dont really know much but i watch alot of cod videos and the work you youtubers do. Id tip my hat if i didnt own a beanie 🤣
What about the flood ?. I mean. The gravemind?. Where did it come from?. What is it exactly.. ?
The flood originates from precursors turning themselves into powder to hide from the forerunners but then the powder corrupted over time, and what rematerialized was the flood. That's the cannon lore lol
@@RedNomster insane..
Has 343 seen your videos? I'm sure some of the developers would love it
Hopefully one day! But I'm far too small I'm sure. Maybe if a bigger creator makes a video about my work 343 would see it
@@RedNomster As time continues on the chance for it to happen increases, im subscribing to add to your size. Binged on your content its great man.
@@TheInevitableAir thanks brother 🙏
There's soemthing growing on your neck
Pure masculinity
What if it's like the Japanese alphabet? They have 3 alphabets. Hiragana, Katakana & Kanji. Maybe their just sound vovels of sorts & not based off the Latin alphabet.
The numbers are 100% numbers, unless they made an alphabet that's disguised as a number system (like a = 1, b = 2) but that seems unnecessary lol
Good point though 👌
At the 6.00 minute mark when he's looking up at the sky, there appears to be a structure or ship or something with lights. It's right in the middle of his health bar, right next to the ring. At quick glance it just looks like stars. But when you look closer, there are 3 rows of stars/lights with groups at the top of the screen that are rounded off into a curve. The lines and groups at the top just seem too perfectly lined up to be randomly placed stars in the sky. And it also looks like there is an outline along the edges of it as well. Not sure if anyone else noticed this or not. So I'm not sure if it's just me or if there really is something there. Any thoughts?
You can also see it at the 7:40 mark. And it appears much more clear at this time stamp.
It's just a banished ship
@@typhoonsy2850 ahhh I gotcha. I thought that's what it might have been but wasn't sure if that's what it actually was or not. I just didn't know if it had been confirmed or not. I appreciate it.
That looks b5(hjl)taR… lowercase H J and L look the same. H might have a flat bottom on the rightmost segment, but J and L really look exactly the same AFAICT.
Still meaninglessness unfortunately
I noticed that as well, but it wasn't really worth mentioning because it changes nothing like you said. Probably just a dev mistake when compiling the symbols into 1 texture :)
Bro I don’t know how to tell you this but, you really think 343 spend all this time money and resources creating a fake alphabet or do you think they just designed random banished looking symbols to get the job done quicker.
They 100% designed a number system, you can't do that by accident - it has mathematically proven patterns.
As for the letters, it's 10x easier to create a fake English alphabet than it is to create a functional number system. So saying it is unlikely they made a fake alphabet because of time/money/resources is a misplaced assumption - there's proof that they did way more than just an alphabet already
Not everyone working at a game company is in it for the money. A lot if them truly love the games and universe's they get to help build. It is actually crazy to think there's people there who DONT try to add to something that they grew up loving and now working on and they have the opportunity to do so.
You need to solve the odst mystery with all the symbols, you are the choosen one
It's already been solved. It literally means nothing. View Rocket Sloth's video on it
@@arcticdino1650 Begs the questions as to why none of the other mysteries have been "confirmed nothing", almost validates them more!
@@RedNomster I agree.
@@arcticdino1650 ohh it is? Didnt know , ill check it out