Joe knew exactly what kind of person Marlo was. And Joe knew that they needed someone like Marlo to fight the wars when negotiations didn't work. He just thought that he could keep Marlo under control.
Avon the only one who saw through Marlo!! Avon knew it was no reasoning with Marlo!! Co op should’ve put their muscle together and got Chris and Marlo at the same time!! Once he got the connect they couldn’t k.ll then
@@MarcillaSmith Joe was so dumb to let Marlo meet the Greeks!! Slim tried to tell Joe that it was a bad Idea to meet the connect but for some Joe always showed weakness when dealing with Marlo and he paid for dearly 🤷🏿♂️!
That's how you know The Wire is one of the GOATs. The show ended its run like 15 years ago and people are still making commentary about it and I'm still clicking. 😁
Joe is great because he's not honorable at all. He's a fun kingpin because you can see that he's manipulating Stringer in season 2, sensing the weakness of the Barksdale organization with Avon in prison and most of their muscle with him or dead. Joe's all about the soft power of getting someone to agree with you, which lets you control them without having to go to war and get the attention of the police. It's why the co-op worked so well after Stringer died and Avon went back to prison, and why the other gangsters talked about missing Joe in the finale.
lol yeah, I didn't even book how he was looking to get his hooks into String, until a rewatch of season 2. He was good at sensing people's weakness and exploiting it, but he failed bad with Marlo.
He couldn't deal with pure chaos (Marlo) he was a master of manipulation and leading people on, but his flaw was that he always acted on the assumption people want things, not people do things because it's their nature (pure chaotic psychopath like Marlo)
The way Joe did old face Andre, the karma came back around and got him!! He tried to set Avon up too when he gave Omar Avons pager number with the codes!!
"Might as well dump 'em, get another" I like the way he strongly hinted to Andre to leave straight away. But he surely realises Andre's not the sharpest and won't pick up on his meaning.
That first scene with Sergei and Nick kind of foreshadowed Joe's end. Cheese was out of line to burn the car - take it as collateral, sure, but burning it was unnecessary - but Joe didn't see how Cheese had a penchant for cruelty and was untrustworthy.
@@KingTerry1001Joe would always let ppl know that was his sister's boy meaning that's the only reason I deal w/ him & also called him a "disappointment"!! Avon on the other hand let his sister talk him into keeping D close & not admitting he wasn't designed for that life.........IMO 🤔!!
I guess he's just a gangster. He's been a career Criminal for over 30 years in Baltimore. And he was the strongest gangster on the east side of Baltimore. Respect and fear made him that way.
"Buy for $1 sell for $2." Joe represented the same thing that Stringer did. He was a businessman in a world of gangsters. Stringer and Joe did not live by the sword, when the sword was all some knew (Marlo and Avon). Simon made this point in many interviews. Reform the game, at your own demise.
Prop Joe was the real businessman. Stringer got taken for a ride by multiple people including Joe. Joe only ever got beat by self defeating violent chaos. His nephew traded someone he could trust absolutely for the coldest murderer in the show. And Marlo traded a good business partner for 'the crown' that he held for only a month or two because his violence got him a police unit on his ass.
@@wanderlustly313Damn you're absolutely right. They too were put to rest as it resulted in ending their careers. This is why I treasure this show, the parallels of the stories being told, the similarities of the institutions represented, and how human nature ultimately prevails no matter what. "It ain't about right, fuck right, it's about money" - D'Angelo Barksdale.
No one in The Wire is completely clean, from the gangsters to the police and courts and politicians that have to address them, and Prop Joe manages to do some cold stuff to stay on top of the game. Still, I have to give him credit for something absolutely nobody else could do, be it Sobotka's union fight, Carcetti's time as mayor, McNulty's everything, Avon's whole elaborate operation, Colvin's work in Hamsterdam or with the education system, Stringer's efforts to build something legit, even Marlo's reputation. He built something better than what came before and it outlived his part in it.
@@coolpeople4287 Still reorganized things in that way, and was a more important co-founder to this specific one than Stringer. Much as he himself falls off for getting old and soft, he knew what the future of the game could look like.
Great character. Intelligence counts, but ruthlessness and unscrupulousness are the main traits of the most successful ones on the board. The show depicted this perfectly with Joe. The one thing he did which I hated him for, was selling out poor Andre. But maybe he had no choice on that one. Man got his comeuppance tho. RIP
Joe reminds me of John torrio in boardwalk empire. An act of a wise grand father as you said. Him trying to whack Al Capone and also him setting up Nucky to get whacked with Maranzano by Luciano is quite similar to Joe and Andre as he subtly warns Nucky to retire similarly to how Joe tells Andre that he should have went to New York or Philly for refuge
Excellent work - Joe was a likeable character, but at the end of the day, day - Joe was the same violent criminal as Marlo - the difference is Joe is a true wolf in sheep's clothing/master manipulator - Marlo was straight forward, and wanted to be known as the wolf.
You can take Joe's comment to Nick as a kind act. If he was purely predatory he wouldn't warn Nick that he was a fool. With the exception of what he did to Andre, Joe has a code. He doesn't mess with citizens or with anyone who refuses to do a deal with him. But when he does a deal he keeps to it, and whatever deals he makes are almost always to his own advantage.
It's not an act. Joe has a bunch of murderous hooligans selling drugs for him who would have killed Nick and his cousin. Joe probably would not have even known about it.
Honestly a really good and insightful analysis. I think what joe understood more than a lot of other high ranking players in the game was that information is key and your public image is just as important as your street rep. Presenting himself as a businessman and generally amicable person in his legal and illegal life made people much more likely to deal and have dealings with him, so naturally he was both in the loop and well connected. At the same time he was equally adept at the murderous and malicious tactics that were necessary to become established in that life. Which makes it all the more likely that his downfall would be a family member as mixing business with family seldom ends well in the long run. Combine that with his attempted tutelage of Marlo. Someone who was clearly of the newer, less rational generation that had been )comparatively) socially engineered to value human life less. I do think him trying that was more of a calculated attempt to make it so they weren’t outright enemies while keeping him close as it’s better to have some insight to a potential threat than none. At the end of the day Joe did a lot better and a lot worse than others.
The way he gave up Andre was cold blooded... I hate Andre as a character but I wasn't cosigning Joe giving him up to Marlo.. what he did to Andre is why I didn't feel bad when cheese betrayed him
Avon was hard. Stringer was smart. Marlow was cold. Prop Joe was wise. Their individual perspective and strategy were consistent with their dominant traits. They did a great job of developing those characters and staying true. This show, like breaking bad or the shield, makes you relate to both the bad guys and the good guys.
A hustler is a hustler! Always looking for the long gain and hitting as many small safe gains on the way to it! But there's not 401ks and retirements. And the few who made it you'll never know their names
Buy for a dollar, sell for two. Nothing bad, just business. And dont forget how Prop Joe save life of old toaster. I always think about Prop Joe like a middle between Avon and Stringer. He is old School, but more modern than Avon. He is doing that for money, but not so greedy as Stringer. (at least we dont see any sign of this rich, like big house or expensive flat). Maybe his ultimate goal was Number One place, but via authority and connections, not killing or frighten everyone else. And of course he is bad, he is criminal.
Ill nevwe get tired of your TheWire and Sopranos vidoes! I understand why you need to expand, but please, never stop making these. And if you want another series to check out, i recommend Snowfall
Nah his ending was perfect lol him and that co op spent all that time complaining about Avon.It came back and bit him in the ass lol that's why I'm glad Marlo did what he did
Great video. I would just point out that Joe and Andre weren’t friends. Andre was a semi-independent west side dealer who wasn’t a member of the co-op. He only went to Joe because he assumed he had no connections to Marlo being from the east side. What he did to Andre was extremely cutthroat and ruthless, but not pure evil seeing as he didn’t really have any loyalty or connection to Andre to betray. He even told him that he should have been looking for refugee in New York or Phili instead of the east side of Baltimore.
He wasn't evil because it was in his nature, he was "evil" because that's simply the nature of the game. You're profiting off of the addiction & suffering of other people for personal gain & committing other crimes & possibly killing people when need be. Evil people don't have a code, Prop Joe did. Marlo on the contrary was pure evil from the heart. He was cunning & ruthless & was the type to kill people, even if they had no involvement in the game whatsoever, like when he killed that security guard.
Most evil shit Avon did was that business with the hot shots to take down the corrupt CO. Killed like 5 random people to reduce his sentence and get the CO off Bey’s ass. Butchie said it best: Avon’s father was plain evil, and the son ain’t better
Joe “Proposition” Stewart was The King from Season 2 - Season 5. Season 2 Greek Connect Half of the towers Season 3 Co-Op Grand Injury insider Season 4 Recruited Marlo Season 5 Downfall
If I had describe Joe from a recovering addict respeactive. A dealer is selling the poison, and the addict has the complusion to take the substance again and again, not taking responsblity for set discussion. The dealer has a hand, but the victim always has to be one self.
The reason prop Joe is evil is that he’s a user. He used everyone around him. He uses Marlo for muscle, and then turns around and uses Omar to punish Marlo for being too independent. His issues and downfall tbh, come from the same stuff that made him successful. He never directly set anyone up, it was always, “consequences come later” stuff. He gives Omar the card game, which gets Omar in beef later, stuff he can shrug and not take blame for. It’s that exact same second level dealing that gets him in trouble. Because he set Marlo up for Omar he has to make it up To Marlo by letting him meet the plug. By setting Omar up over and over, he alienates cheese who eventually sells him out. Prop Joe was a wheeler and dealer, the issue is that once people understand your duplicitous nature, you don’t get to make any more deals.
Joe was definitely evil he may not have been as ruthless on the streets as other players but he definitely had a hand in setting up a lot of people’s demise even his close friends it’s fitting that someone close to him did the same.
I like the idea that for Joe diplomacy/politics was just war by other means. He chatted up Stringer cause he couldnt beat the Barksdale's through war, or because war would be too visible.
My Mom and I were having a conversation about the West side versus the East side. I guess I was overly fond of Prop Joe. My mom said, “I think you’re forgetting he’s a criminal”.
Prop joe was the rook on the chess board hes a major piece that can force a checkmate on the enemy king without other pieces the rook has long range movement him being a eastside player and the rook can be used in offense and defense the wire was simply a game of chess played on the street
Joe in my opinion was always on the sidter side. I think he would have mo problem dropping someone if needed, but with his status just making the threats is enough. And he knew it
We're not WRONG about Joe to love him. Joe is an anti-hero. We know he's not a classic "good-guy" but we still want him to succeed... Even after we see his evil side
I disagree that Prop Joe became more of a "grandfather like" figure in the later seasons, especially as it related to Marlo. He knew how crazy Marlo & his crew were, and wanted to use that to his & the co-op's advantage. And the best way for anyone to do that is to appear like a friend (even though Marlo saw through all of that). I think he was playing the long game with Marlo, especially by having him & his people kill off the NY boys in such a public fashion. That put them on the cops radar, so Joe & the co-op gained another diversion and were still able to operate in peace for a while. And even with the killing of Joe and the "dismantling" of the co-op, the heat is all on Marlo and he doesn't get to enjoy the crown as long as Joe got to. So Joe still wins in my book
Being a good gangster doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with money but being a good mobster always includes making money. For a mobster there can be a fine line between the two. Paul Castellano = too businesslike (died cutdown by gangsters), John Gotti = too gangster ( died sick doing a very long bid in prison) , Joseph Bananno =The right balance. Gangsters mostly respected him as a boss and knew he was not to be messed with but at the same time he made a ton of money off both legitimate and illegitimate business. He was smart enough to stay out of prison most of his life. Never snitched (supposedly) and died peacefully a rich old man at home. Many think the movie character The Godfather was based off him.
Video topic suggestion: What Happened to Zellman after Tony Whipped Him for Sleeping with His Ex? Zellman disappeared from the show after that episode. Did Zellman and Tony continue to work together? It’s not like they can simply part ways. Is it possible that he was the one testifying against Tony at the end of the series?
You know, Avon always said the co-op was nothing more than a glorified crew.
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The co-op was a bit of a pozul if you ask me. MY connect, MY dope.
His appraiser his family
This never gets old 😃
The whole scheme to “help” Stringer with his product problem was to drive a wedge between him and Avon. He knew exactly what he was doing
And get a cheaper price, and get move into Westside, and get revenge for the ball game, and get rid of omar...what a proposition
And Avon knew too he told Stringer no because you give Joe an inch Joe is going to take the whole block Avon "had no love for them east side bitches"
@@kumarg3598 Revenge for a ball game that his team won?
@olavrell oh. I forgot. My bad.
He definitely was the main component to that "organization" falling apart.......IMO 🤔!!
Joe knew exactly what kind of person Marlo was. And Joe knew that they needed someone like Marlo to fight the wars when negotiations didn't work. He just thought that he could keep Marlo under control.
Avon the only one who saw through Marlo!! Avon knew it was no reasoning with Marlo!! Co op should’ve put their muscle together and got Chris and Marlo at the same time!! Once he got the connect they couldn’t k.ll then
100% When Marlo demanded to see the Greeks, he needed to go.
He underestimated Marlo & the fact he kept his ear to the street like Joe did!! Remember Marlo told snoop & Chris Omar had been taken out 🤔!!
@@MarcillaSmith Joe was so dumb to let Marlo meet the Greeks!! Slim tried to tell Joe that it was a bad Idea to meet the connect but for some Joe always showed weakness when dealing with Marlo and he paid for dearly 🤷🏿♂️!
Borko was asking after you, he thinks the world of you.
Oh, mister New-York!
Who ?? His father was hit by a truck right ?
@@wookieboss2643 It was a major collision
Apparently it's gotta be now, he's in one of his moods
He’s got a right to a lot of things right now
That's how you know The Wire is one of the GOATs. The show ended its run like 15 years ago and people are still making commentary about it and I'm still clicking. 😁
15 years? It's just a kid?
@@kevinouellette5316 💥That's just your knee. 🤣
@@celestialnubianThat's genius 😂
Joe and Avon's biggest downfall was putting their nephews on💯
Great catch!
@@downtoearthproductions all this time and I never thought of that yet it was in our face the whole time
Family and business should always be kept separate, you would assume men in their position would understand this rule.
Difference was Avon had hope for D but Joe always thought cheese was a "disappointment" & always let ppl know that was his sister's boy😐!!
Joe is great because he's not honorable at all. He's a fun kingpin because you can see that he's manipulating Stringer in season 2, sensing the weakness of the Barksdale organization with Avon in prison and most of their muscle with him or dead. Joe's all about the soft power of getting someone to agree with you, which lets you control them without having to go to war and get the attention of the police. It's why the co-op worked so well after Stringer died and Avon went back to prison, and why the other gangsters talked about missing Joe in the finale.
lol yeah, I didn't even book how he was looking to get his hooks into String, until a rewatch of season 2. He was good at sensing people's weakness and exploiting it, but he failed bad with Marlo.
He couldn't deal with pure chaos (Marlo) he was a master of manipulation and leading people on, but his flaw was that he always acted on the assumption people want things, not people do things because it's their nature (pure chaotic psychopath like Marlo)
@@Grandmaster-Kush Kind of like Walt trying to do business with psychos like Tuco in breaking bad
@@Grandmaster-KushMarlo always craved power and reputation. For some reason, Prop Joe didn't see that.
@@TTJJCC joe was a bit out of touch with the up and coming youth. Avon knew better and would have finished it early if Stringer didn't snitch.
shame to let a good toaster get away over a frayed cord
Prop shoulda stuck with the toasters , imagine being caught short at his shop like he was . Player got no game
@@wookieboss2643he was caught at his house . When he was killed
Put $10 on it 😂
My grandfather was the first coloured man on the block to own his own toaster. That means something. Something you youngins lost
@@atomicstone93 holy shit ahhaah
Evil yes pure evil no
Agreed
The way Joe did old face Andre, the karma came back around and got him!! He tried to set Avon up too when he gave Omar Avons pager number with the codes!!
@@Reese8531 w comment
"Might as well dump 'em, get another"
I like the way he strongly hinted to Andre to leave straight away. But he surely realises Andre's not the sharpest and won't pick up on his meaning.
Joe was a bit of pozuul if you ask me. MY co-op, MY connect.
That first scene with Sergei and Nick kind of foreshadowed Joe's end. Cheese was out of line to burn the car - take it as collateral, sure, but burning it was unnecessary - but Joe didn't see how Cheese had a penchant for cruelty and was untrustworthy.
Maybe because Cheese was his nephew same as Avon and D'Angelo. How Avon ignored signs from D'Angelo same as Joe ignored signs from Cheese.
@@KingTerry1001Joe would always let ppl know that was his sister's boy meaning that's the only reason I deal w/ him & also called him a "disappointment"!! Avon on the other hand let his sister talk him into keeping D close & not admitting he wasn't designed for that life.........IMO 🤔!!
I guess he's just a gangster. He's been a career Criminal for over 30 years in Baltimore. And he was the strongest gangster on the east side of Baltimore. Respect and fear made him that way.
The structure of the organization he setup is the reason for his longevity in the game 😐!!
"Buy for $1 sell for $2." Joe represented the same thing that Stringer did. He was a businessman in a world of gangsters. Stringer and Joe did not live by the sword, when the sword was all some knew (Marlo and Avon). Simon made this point in many interviews. Reform the game, at your own demise.
Yes! Bunny and Daniels also were punished for trying to change the Game.
Prop Joe was the real businessman. Stringer got taken for a ride by multiple people including Joe. Joe only ever got beat by self defeating violent chaos. His nephew traded someone he could trust absolutely for the coldest murderer in the show. And Marlo traded a good business partner for 'the crown' that he held for only a month or two because his violence got him a police unit on his ass.
@@wanderlustly313Damn you're absolutely right. They too were put to rest as it resulted in ending their careers. This is why I treasure this show, the parallels of the stories being told, the similarities of the institutions represented, and how human nature ultimately prevails no matter what. "It ain't about right, fuck right, it's about money" - D'Angelo Barksdale.
"The game is the game"
He actually said “Buy for $1 sell for twe.” With a Baltimore accent. Lol I caught that.
He was playing with fire trying to manipulate Marlo. He got Omar to rob the card game to get Marlo lol
Maryland is a small state, when Prop Joe moved in he tipped it over
When Joe went into the woods, the bears hid their food
When Joe hauls ass, he has to make two trips.
I like a drug dealer you can grab a hold of
No one in The Wire is completely clean, from the gangsters to the police and courts and politicians that have to address them, and Prop Joe manages to do some cold stuff to stay on top of the game. Still, I have to give him credit for something absolutely nobody else could do, be it Sobotka's union fight, Carcetti's time as mayor, McNulty's everything, Avon's whole elaborate operation, Colvin's work in Hamsterdam or with the education system, Stringer's efforts to build something legit, even Marlo's reputation. He built something better than what came before and it outlived his part in it.
Ole Joe was nobodies dummy. But he didn't invent co-ops.
@@coolpeople4287 Still reorganized things in that way, and was a more important co-founder to this specific one than Stringer. Much as he himself falls off for getting old and soft, he knew what the future of the game could look like.
@jacobkakyoin6882 Yeah, he was crafty.
I think Kima is clean.
@stevenbrown9212 Right! There were individual cops that were clean. But, the police force in general was crooked.
I agree completly, he's cold blooded and uses charm and persuasion to draw people in.
"Joe is the epitome of a wolf in sheep's clothing."
You forgot when Joe told Herc he and Burrell went to high school together and that Burrell was "stone stupid"
Butchie knew Prop Joe was evil too when he set up Omar I believe him when he said he would delete Niko and Ziggy if it wasn't for Sergi too
Great character. Intelligence counts, but ruthlessness and unscrupulousness are the main traits of the most successful ones on the board. The show depicted this perfectly with Joe. The one thing he did which I hated him for, was selling out poor Andre. But maybe he had no choice on that one. Man got his comeuppance tho. RIP
Excellent analysis
I agree. Plus, Joe tippin' off Omar about the card game was what lead to Andre's situation.
I never caught on to that last part with Joe gettin in to Human Trafficking
Joe reminds me of John torrio in boardwalk empire. An act of a wise grand father as you said. Him trying to whack Al Capone and also him setting up Nucky to get whacked with Maranzano by Luciano is quite similar to Joe and Andre as he subtly warns Nucky to retire similarly to how Joe tells Andre that he should have went to New York or Philly for refuge
Excellent work - Joe was a likeable character, but at the end of the day, day - Joe was the same violent criminal as Marlo - the difference is Joe is a true wolf in sheep's clothing/master manipulator - Marlo was straight forward, and wanted to be known as the wolf.
like the Devil would whisper: a proposition might fall kindly on your ear...
"That was for Joe!"
You can take Joe's comment to Nick as a kind act. If he was purely predatory he wouldn't warn Nick that he was a fool. With the exception of what he did to Andre, Joe has a code. He doesn't mess with citizens or with anyone who refuses to do a deal with him. But when he does a deal he keeps to it, and whatever deals he makes are almost always to his own advantage.
It's not an act. Joe has a bunch of murderous hooligans selling drugs for him who would have killed Nick and his cousin. Joe probably would not have even known about it.
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Shit threw me all the way off 😂
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Man, just buy for a dollar, sell for two. They all should have taken the Charlie Sollers route.
I love how you use so many great turns of phrase from the show. You're a hardcore fan.
What Joe didn’t understand about Marlo & the new ways of the game was, the thing about the old days they the old days
Prop Joed reminded me of gheddafi. Hated by most on the surface but once he was gone they realized he was the glue to a shitty situation
Excellent comparison
Just one of many great characters in the greatest show ever. I remember watching season 1 in my last week on grade 12. Oh the memories...
I really love the way you use the accents and sayings from the show! This was awesome and I really enjoyed this, thanks!😂😄😂
Honestly a really good and insightful analysis. I think what joe understood more than a lot of other high ranking players in the game was that information is key and your public image is just as important as your street rep. Presenting himself as a businessman and generally amicable person in his legal and illegal life made people much more likely to deal and have dealings with him, so naturally he was both in the loop and well connected. At the same time he was equally adept at the murderous and malicious tactics that were necessary to become established in that life. Which makes it all the more likely that his downfall would be a family member as mixing business with family seldom ends well in the long run. Combine that with his attempted tutelage of Marlo. Someone who was clearly of the newer, less rational generation that had been )comparatively) socially engineered to value human life less. I do think him trying that was more of a calculated attempt to make it so they weren’t outright enemies while keeping him close as it’s better to have some insight to a potential threat than none. At the end of the day Joe did a lot better and a lot worse than others.
The way he gave up Andre was cold blooded... I hate Andre as a character but I wasn't cosigning Joe giving him up to Marlo.. what he did to Andre is why I didn't feel bad when cheese betrayed him
Prop Joe didn't do nothing but buy for dollar and sell for two
For tew
The 2nd best video you've made in my opinion. I never noticed the trafficking connection until you brought it up.
Before I watch I’m going to say, yes he was. The way he did Old Face Andre proved it without a doubt.
Don't forget he backdoored Old Face Andre too after buying the store for the low low
Avon was hard. Stringer was smart. Marlow was cold. Prop Joe was wise. Their individual perspective and strategy were consistent with their dominant traits. They did a great job of developing those characters and staying true. This show, like breaking bad or the shield, makes you relate to both the bad guys and the good guys.
A hustler is a hustler! Always looking for the long gain and hitting as many small safe gains on the way to it! But there's not 401ks and retirements. And the few who made it you'll never know their names
When Joe sold out the shopkeeper I knew he was pure slime.
Watching season 1 and 2 you’d realize Prop Joe was really ruthless.
I have never clicked on any video quicker!
In real life, Joe would have seen Marlo coming.
Good stuff prop Joe was supercool the fact he is so level-headed and calculating he could go dark and make some serious mischief
Prop Joe was a devious MF bro wym good guy drug dealer he's just slick AF until he wasnt
Bro, I love your quotes from the show! You recite them as if you are just carrying conversation!😀😀
My favorite Prop Joe moment was when he suggested Marlo steal the camera to find out what organization was onto him.
love the way you say Joe's quotes as Joe
Buy for a dollar, sell for two. Nothing bad, just business. And dont forget how Prop Joe save life of old toaster.
I always think about Prop Joe like a middle between Avon and Stringer. He is old School, but more modern than Avon. He is doing that for money, but not so greedy as Stringer. (at least we dont see any sign of this rich, like big house or expensive flat).
Maybe his ultimate goal was Number One place, but via authority and connections, not killing or frighten everyone else.
And of course he is bad, he is criminal.
Ill nevwe get tired of your TheWire and Sopranos vidoes! I understand why you need to expand, but please, never stop making these. And if you want another series to check out, i recommend Snowfall
Joe couldnt escape marlo cause with his knees,he had problems getting into the car seat
I thought prop Joe was strong and wise , but the way he went out was just plain stupid
He shouldn't have ever helped Marlo, or even invited him to join the co-op. Cineranter, excellent analysis as always. And you're right about Prop Joe.
Nah his ending was perfect lol him and that co op spent all that time complaining about Avon.It came back and bit him in the ass lol that's why I'm glad Marlo did what he did
Joe ran out of time, man. All his evil deeds caught up with him.
I mean…Joe fed Old Face Andre to Marlo on a silver platter. Andre was a dumbass frontman, but it was still cold blooded.
12:01 Not wanting to go against Brother certainly doesn't make him soft.
Great video. I would just point out that Joe and Andre weren’t friends. Andre was a semi-independent west side dealer who wasn’t a member of the co-op. He only went to Joe because he assumed he had no connections to Marlo being from the east side. What he did to Andre was extremely cutthroat and ruthless, but not pure evil seeing as he didn’t really have any loyalty or connection to Andre to betray. He even told him that he should have been looking for refugee in New York or Phili instead of the east side of Baltimore.
Not "pure" evil, but evil. A spider. A man who gives poisoned advice. The only one who out-lows him is the devil himself.
Top 4 wire characters
1) Prop Joe
2) Sydney Handjerker
3) Irving Pepper
4) Dr. Jay
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"Omar comin!"
He wasn't evil because it was in his nature, he was "evil" because that's simply the nature of the game. You're profiting off of the addiction & suffering of other people for personal gain & committing other crimes & possibly killing people when need be. Evil people don't have a code, Prop Joe did. Marlo on the contrary was pure evil from the heart. He was cunning & ruthless & was the type to kill people, even if they had no involvement in the game whatsoever, like when he killed that security guard.
Most evil shit Avon did was that business with the hot shots to take down the corrupt CO. Killed like 5 random people to reduce his sentence and get the CO off Bey’s ass. Butchie said it best: Avon’s father was plain evil, and the son ain’t better
I agree, that was worse. Five random ppl sacrificed for some shit that had nothing to do with them.
That was his coldest. Right up there with having Bodie kill Wallace, sending kids to kill other kids.
Joe “Proposition” Stewart was The King from Season 2 - Season 5.
Season 2
Greek Connect
Half of the towers
Season 3
Co-Op
Grand Injury insider
Season 4
Recruited Marlo
Season 5
Downfall
I was done with Joe after he crossed Old face Andre
Unrelated, but always thought Marlo is a great name for a real world villain. It's unique and mysterious sounding.
If I had describe Joe from a recovering addict respeactive. A dealer is selling the poison, and the addict has the complusion to take the substance again and again, not taking responsblity for set discussion. The dealer has a hand, but the victim always has to be one self.
Great comparison between Joe and Carmine Sr. 💯
The reason prop Joe is evil is that he’s a user. He used everyone around him. He uses Marlo for muscle, and then turns around and uses Omar to punish Marlo for being too independent. His issues and downfall tbh, come from the same stuff that made him successful. He never directly set anyone up, it was always, “consequences come later” stuff. He gives Omar the card game, which gets Omar in beef later, stuff he can shrug and not take blame for. It’s that exact same second level dealing that gets him in trouble. Because he set Marlo up for Omar he has to make it up
To Marlo by letting him meet the plug. By setting Omar up over and over, he alienates cheese who eventually sells him out. Prop Joe was a wheeler and dealer, the issue is that once people understand your duplicitous nature, you don’t get to make any more deals.
Omar and vito both had high blood pressure
Delivered it deliciously is crazy.
I always took it that Joe was always a front. He wasnt hard he was just smart enough to fake it. Marlo tapped into the weakness and won
Joe was definitely evil he may not have been as ruthless on the streets as other players but he definitely had a hand in setting up a lot of people’s demise even his close friends it’s fitting that someone close to him did the same.
Still my favorite character in the show
I like the idea that for Joe diplomacy/politics was just war by other means. He chatted up Stringer cause he couldnt beat the Barksdale's through war, or because war would be too visible.
Merry Christmas and salutations from Belfast Northern Ireland 🇬🇧
Joe always wondered what happened to Gary Cooper..
Andre wouldn't even have ended up in that position had Joe not caused the war between Omar and Marlo.
As opposed to the beautiful, charming and charismatic Barksdale.
Pure evil? No, but definitely a snake.
Did Oldface absolutely dirty. But grabbed his ankles simping for Marlo. Fool move.
My Mom and I were having a conversation about the West side versus the East side. I guess I was overly fond of Prop Joe. My mom said, “I think you’re forgetting he’s a criminal”.
Prop joe was the rook on the chess board hes a major piece that can force a checkmate on the enemy king without other pieces the rook has long range movement him being a eastside player and the rook can be used in offense and defense the wire was simply a game of chess played on the street
But you, I treated like a son.
PROP JOES BIGGEST MISTAKE WAS NOT HELPING STRINGER & THE BARKSDALE ORGANIZATION GET RID OF MARLO & THE STANFIELD ORGANIZATION 🔫🪖🩸💯💯💯💯🤞🏿
They all were. All drug dealers are evil.
That's not true at all this isn't a fairy tale
Charlie Sollers is the real name of the guy playing Prop Joe. He was not a real life dealer
Nice impression of Clay Davis lmao
Joe in my opinion was always on the sidter side. I think he would have mo problem dropping someone if needed, but with his status just making the threats is enough. And he knew it
Irvin Pepper from Pepper, Pepper and Bayleaf.
We're not WRONG about Joe to love him. Joe is an anti-hero. We know he's not a classic "good-guy" but we still want him to succeed... Even after we see his evil side
Prop Joe was playing both sides. He treated Marlo like a son. It came back to bite him in the ass.
I know this isnt related to Prop Joe and i don't know why I'm putting this out there but i have a massive crush on Snoop.
I disagree that Prop Joe became more of a "grandfather like" figure in the later seasons, especially as it related to Marlo. He knew how crazy Marlo & his crew were, and wanted to use that to his & the co-op's advantage. And the best way for anyone to do that is to appear like a friend (even though Marlo saw through all of that). I think he was playing the long game with Marlo, especially by having him & his people kill off the NY boys in such a public fashion. That put them on the cops radar, so Joe & the co-op gained another diversion and were still able to operate in peace for a while. And even with the killing of Joe and the "dismantling" of the co-op, the heat is all on Marlo and he doesn't get to enjoy the crown as long as Joe got to.
So Joe still wins in my book
He was a saint *cries*
I’m surprised people didn’t realize this
Calling Joe “pure” evil is a bit of a stretch but other than that this another well done observation.
Being a good gangster doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with money but being a good mobster always includes making money. For a mobster there can be a fine line between the two. Paul Castellano = too businesslike (died cutdown by gangsters), John Gotti = too gangster ( died sick doing a very long bid in prison) , Joseph Bananno =The right balance. Gangsters mostly respected him as a boss and knew he was not to be messed with but at the same time he made a ton of money off both legitimate and illegitimate business. He was smart enough to stay out of prison most of his life. Never snitched (supposedly) and died peacefully a rich old man at home. Many think the movie character The Godfather was based off him.
RIP ROBERT CHEW AKA PROP JOE
Video topic suggestion: What Happened to Zellman after Tony Whipped Him for Sleeping with His Ex?
Zellman disappeared from the show after that episode. Did Zellman and Tony continue to work together? It’s not like they can simply part ways. Is it possible that he was the one testifying against Tony at the end of the series?
The argument is very interesting. Joe was too caught up in that back in the day sh!t. But we ain’t back in the day.
Shout out to Slim Charles taking revenge for Joe