Well, although it's a skit (9:23), I don't agree with the modeling of stealing of the game. In the description of the video it says that his kids like acting, but I feel as though this is showing that if you were to steal something, the views on the video would go up. If the kid is motivated by views, he might think of actually stealing a game in order to get them.
We keep getting told to ignore it and let them keep yelling and crying louder I feel like distracting them and hugging them to calm them and ask him to do something else to take a deep breath works better than ignoring
That will work until it doesnt. It's a band aid solution. Doest not address the underlying problem. No new skills taught to the child. This will be much difficult when they become a teen or adult if you only use this approach.
Don’t ignore the tantrum. Tantrum is another work for emotional dysregulated and it’s just about the worst thing you could do. Hold the boundary, offer comfort. Kids need practice going from a state of dysregulated to calm and most need the support of a calm caregiver. The field of behaviorism is mostly discredited in that it offers a shallow interpretation of behavior and shallow solutions. ABA is a highly controversial form of therapy and those subjected to it are orchestrating campaigns against it. Humans are social creatures, and tiny kids are emotionally immature social creatures. The very last thing we should be doing is ignoring them.
Ignore the behavior, not the child. Once the child is calm, you can use this opportunity to teach them how to get what they want using an appropriate strategy.. intermittently reinforcing the tantrum will only allow the tantrums to continue or get worse because it works to get them what they want.
@@xxluaxx6its actually common sense in a way. If he gets what he wants with tantrums. Then he will keep them coming, if you teach the child to ask and he will receive and that tantrums don’t work, then it will work. And the child will learn that asking is better than tantrums.
@@bando3582it has to be taught with low pressure situations first and implemented regularly and then it can be utilized during high intensity situations. But if you’re just introducing it first thing during a peak crisis moment, it’s not going to work
Ignoring the behavior should always come first! No matter how many specialists preach to respond to tantrums, the outcome is always the same: the more attention the meltdown gets, the more persistent it becomes. Why not use century-proven practices? Ignore it (if no safety issues involved). Give the child an opportunity to calm down in his own. Let the child get the idea that tantrums are too costly for him, because they DON’T get the desired results. And if the child can’t calm down after 5-10 minutes, start interventions. This works much better that immediate response.
What if she already did that and the child has a tantrum anyway? OT here. Experiencing little carryover from ABA being taught to parents which would definitely help me.. but parents are only told what what their strengths/weaknesses were that day, not the issue/solution 😔 parents are deciding to discharge from both disciplines because behaviors haven’t changed in years. It’s bad around here but might be everywhere!
This is such a useful video. I use the first and then approach with my son and it really helps to diffuse a tantrum. I think incentives are good, as well, as you discussed at the end.
I think stopping a tantrum is completely dependant on the the child you're working with. Sometimes giving them choices only leads them gaining more control. This doesnt work with all kids. I have had kids that keep screaming no matter what. Especially if you're not the parent and are just the caregiver. There could be multiple ways the child is being disciplined. As a mom and caregiver for over 35 years I can say that teaching a child to self regulate first is most is helpful. Sometimes no is just no or not now and they need to learn that. Other times a choice can be helpful but not if it turns into a 25 minute struggle of negotiating with a toddler. That's too much emotionally for them too. We are the adult its our responsibility to say no and make decisions for them. Its ok for kids to get mad and upset about that, its actually how they learn.
Great strategies identified based on this video, Heather. These recommendations can be very useful for parents and professionals in the field. Sometimes they might use whatever tools they have at their disposal not realizing they could be inadvertently reinforcing challenging behavior. Thanks for sharing.
In this video, she talked about a number of ways to avoid a tantrum or an outburst which could be very effective. But one thing I would like to contribute is the fact that, whenever I’m working with a student with a disability or autism, I usually want to know more about what kind of cartoon or super hero they like, their favorite book, their favorite board game, etc. The reason for these details about the student is because, a staff or an aide can use these information to avoid a tantrum, by simply distracting the student’s mind from a potential source that could lead to a tantrum or an outburst.
Whilst the first and then strategy has worked wonders for me with some children, other children point blank refuse to do the required task first and wants only the then part, and will continue to tantrum in the hope you change your mind, to the point where the tantrum can last over an hour because they're not getting what they want.
I am 20 years old and I am starting my first step in the ABA industry and I’m extremely nervous. Would you please make a video with any tips on getting started?
Say "because you asked so politely, sure, you can have 5 more mins." then when they try the tactic again and don't get their way, remind them of the agreement made and tell them there will be consequences for disrespect then show them a tantrum will lead to something like no computer tomorrow.
@@TheBdinovi1 How does ignoring a form of communication help? If he doesn't have the capacity to express intense emotions and it comes out as what is viewed as a tantrum, it's still an attempt to communicate *something* with the adults around him.
I'm a Direct Support Person at a CILA home for the developmentally disabled. We deal with many behaviours that get anywhere from physical to extremely verbal. Mostly physical behavior though. Would you have a couple tips you could send, or maybe some approaches? I don't know if your knowledge is the same with adult behavior, but I could really use your help. We have a resident with skitofrenia and is very, very ADHD. Also have a resident with PW syndrome just for some examples.
What is the district, school, and IEP agreed method of addressing emergency situations like that? Every district is different, and some states have very clear laws when penal restraint can be used. Being trained on how to do that is essential, because otherwise you will get hurt and you could accidentally endanger the life of the child.
In this situation it looked like he had finished his computer time... Should the teacher then plan to have him use it again a second time? Wondering what would happen if he completed a second round of computer time -- would there be a repeat of the behavior? How should a teacher handle this? Would it help to give him advance notice, ie "1 more minute, then all done"? And then quickly redirect with another known motivating activity?
Some classrooms use "tablet time" as a "free choice" and sometimes, schools are required to get kids to a minimum number of minutes per category (math and reading) in district mandated software unless the child is above certain percentile. I really liked what one teacher I know has done with letting them move pictures to choice boards and stations to help build communication skills and sharing, especially if they don't use a talking board.
I have been studying both and trying too know the difference for tantrum you do what she says but for a meltdown what should be done? Do we treat this different since it's not for attentions but cuz of sensory overload ?
@@TheBdinovi1 you are an NT. You literally have NO say in what is considered a meltdown or a tantrum when it comes to autistic people. don’t speak for us, don’t speak over us.
But my question is what happens when your distraction methods are done. You just promised him he can get back on the computer after he does x thing but what if the other kid is still on the computer and all the others are taken. Oh boy you got a storm on your hands. It seems to me that he needs a more preferred item but if there’s not one then he just has to get mad.
why does it need to be fixed? this is probably a stim which is what autisric people use to regulate. we dont need fixing we need love and understanding but people who want us to pretend were neurotypical for THEIR benefit and comfort
@@bipolarandme3040 she’s reinforcing the tantrum because she’s giving attention to his tantrum. I understand that’s sometimes the instinct but her attention is reinforcing the tantrum like behavior.
@@bipolarandme3040 She did not use DRA because no specific alternative behavior was established that she would use to "redirect" this child. Sure, she "redirected" while simultaneously reinforcing a problem behavior (tantrum). Now there has been a chain created where the child can engage in a problem behavior in order to maintain the function of their behavior whether it is access or escape. No differential reinforcement was used, only the reinforcement of problem behavior.
i have a question do you only work with kids with Autsim or do you work with kids that have half special needs and half regular and do you also work with them with a learning problems and do you restrain kids if you need too??
What if they start causing harm to themselves to other students and to you if you don’t comply with their request ?🫣🧐 I’m not in this field but if I see he is acting dangerous I’ll give up. If doesn’t worth danger ! I’ll give them what they need . Life is too short for too much stress and troubles
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this one is interesting, not that I agree with it
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Well, although it's a skit (9:23), I don't agree with the modeling of stealing of the game. In the description of the video it says that his kids like acting, but I feel as though this is showing that if you were to steal something, the views on the video would go up. If the kid is motivated by views, he might think of actually stealing a game in order to get them.
We keep getting told to ignore it and let them keep yelling and crying louder I feel like distracting them and hugging them to calm them and ask him to do something else to take a deep breath works better than ignoring
That will work until it doesnt. It's a band aid solution. Doest not address the underlying problem. No new skills taught to the child. This will be much difficult when they become a teen or adult if you only use this approach.
Don’t ignore the tantrum. Tantrum is another work for emotional dysregulated and it’s just about the worst thing you could do. Hold the boundary, offer comfort. Kids need practice going from a state of dysregulated to calm and most need the support of a calm caregiver. The field of behaviorism is mostly discredited in that it offers a shallow interpretation of behavior and shallow solutions. ABA is a highly controversial form of therapy and those subjected to it are orchestrating campaigns against it. Humans are social creatures, and tiny kids are emotionally immature social creatures. The very last thing we should be doing is ignoring them.
I agree that it's all about teaching new skills to replace
Ignore the behavior, not the child. Once the child is calm, you can use this opportunity to teach them how to get what they want using an appropriate strategy.. intermittently reinforcing the tantrum will only allow the tantrums to continue or get worse because it works to get them what they want.
@@xxluaxx6its actually common sense in a way. If he gets what he wants with tantrums. Then he will keep them coming, if you teach the child to ask and he will receive and that tantrums don’t work, then it will work. And the child will learn that asking is better than tantrums.
I love the FIRST, THEN strategy. It hasn't failed me yet!
I wish that worked for me. For some kids if they can’t have it right then and there they won’t comply
True
@@bando3582it has to be taught with low pressure situations first and implemented regularly and then it can be utilized during high intensity situations. But if you’re just introducing it first thing during a peak crisis moment, it’s not going to work
I have a client that would tantrum just hearing the first then terminology lol ..
@@waterlove689Lol 😂me too !
Can we please have this lady do more videos??? She explains it so well. Honestly, I learned so much here. More videos from her please!!
Ignoring the behavior should always come first!
No matter how many specialists preach to respond to tantrums, the outcome is always the same: the more attention the meltdown gets, the more persistent it becomes.
Why not use century-proven practices?
Ignore it (if no safety issues involved). Give the child an opportunity to calm down in his own.
Let the child get the idea that tantrums are too costly for him, because they DON’T get the desired results.
And if the child can’t calm down after 5-10 minutes, start interventions.
This works much better that immediate response.
Wow. Well said
This is the answer! ❤
Since these are Antecedent strategies to prevent problem behavior, make sure they are taught PRIOR to the child having problem behavior.
No one talks about THIS!!
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Always made choice part of my behavioral plan. I call it autonomy based on my 2 choices. Well the student felt it was autonomous.
thanks for your feedback
Great job adding the task list references
Thanks I will ask they keep doing it
What if she already did that and the child has a tantrum anyway? OT here. Experiencing little carryover from ABA being taught to parents which would definitely help me.. but parents are only told what what their strengths/weaknesses were that day, not the issue/solution 😔 parents are deciding to discharge from both disciplines because behaviors haven’t changed in years. It’s bad around here but might be everywhere!
Oh yes, you specialists have all the answers
This is such a useful video. I use the first and then approach with my son and it really helps to diffuse a tantrum.
I think incentives are good, as well, as you discussed at the end.
Thanks Sina
Once a tantrum starts you can't stop it. you can ease the effect it has on the child and on you. she did a great job of transitioining him.
The first/then is called the premak principle. It works wonders with my students (aide)
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👍 it. Learning to breath through these situation.
I want to see her showing us not telling us.
Check out the Hacking applied behavior analysis channel it has this type of material
I think stopping a tantrum is completely dependant on the the child you're working with. Sometimes giving them choices only leads them gaining more control. This doesnt work with all kids. I have had kids that keep screaming no matter what. Especially if you're not the parent and are just the caregiver. There could be multiple ways the child is being disciplined. As a mom and caregiver for over 35 years I can say that teaching a child to self regulate first is most is helpful. Sometimes no is just no or not now and they need to learn that. Other times a choice can be helpful but not if it turns into a 25 minute struggle of negotiating with a toddler. That's too much emotionally for them too. We are the adult its our responsibility to say no and make decisions for them. Its ok for kids to get mad and upset about that, its actually how they learn.
Awww that lil guy ❤
Cute
Great strategies identified based on this video, Heather. These recommendations can be very useful for parents and professionals in the field. Sometimes they might use whatever tools they have at their disposal not realizing they could be inadvertently reinforcing challenging behavior. Thanks for sharing.
+Joe Kendorski good point Joe
In this video, she talked about a number of ways to avoid a tantrum or an outburst which could be very effective. But one thing I would like to contribute is the fact that, whenever I’m working with a student with a disability or autism, I usually want to know more about what kind of cartoon or super hero they like, their favorite book, their favorite board game, etc. The reason for these details about the student is because, a staff or an aide can use these information to avoid a tantrum, by simply distracting the student’s mind from a potential source that could lead to a tantrum or an outburst.
Ernest I agree as long as that stimulus has already demonstrated its a reinforcer
Love this video! Very resourceful! Thanks Danielle Mercado!
Whilst the first and then strategy has worked wonders for me with some children, other children point blank refuse to do the required task first and wants only the then part, and will continue to tantrum in the hope you change your mind, to the point where the tantrum can last over an hour because they're not getting what they want.
Yeah an extinction burst
I had one like that
Are these strategies for preventing or stopping a tantrum?
Preventing from what u can remember. Been a while since I've viewed this one though
I am 20 years old and I am starting my first step in the ABA industry and I’m extremely nervous. Would you please make a video with any tips on getting started?
I will let our team know
Maybe don’t go into it since ABA is falling out of favor based on the experiences of adults with autism.
Only some
@@theresawambach773 oh I absolutely left that after 9 months. Felt so wrong to carry out programs.
Think it's because there was bad ABA tberaoy too?
I would never want to work with a board certified behavior analysis who has a tantrum :)
Tru
What if the child asks for 5 more minutes, then gets the 5 more minutes but after the 5 minutes he throws a tantrum? What would you do in that case?
Yep. It's called a post reinforcement pause and there has to be a reward shortly after the big reward for appropriate behavior
Say "because you asked so politely, sure, you can have 5 more mins." then when they try the tactic again and don't get their way, remind them of the agreement made and tell them there will be consequences for disrespect then show them a tantrum will lead to something like no computer tomorrow.
Ignoring this behavior while paying close attention to it, making sure they don't hurt themselves or anyone I think would be a better method
I like what you suggested 👍🏻
@@TheBdinovi1 How does ignoring a form of communication help? If he doesn't have the capacity to express intense emotions and it comes out as what is viewed as a tantrum, it's still an attempt to communicate *something* with the adults around him.
Agreed. We use this strategy in my workplace, we call it planned ignore and it really does work
Hugging is only reinforcing the kid's tantrum behavior
Does this apply to children in the spectrum?
Great video.
Thanks so much
My 68 years old friend does that, I don’t know what to do! I have no choice but leaving the room. What’s the solution when adults behave that way?
I think you need to keep pressing on
@@TheBdinovi1 hah!
Very very nice well said I agree with that
thanks Sam
I'm a Direct Support Person at a CILA home for the developmentally disabled. We deal with many behaviours that get anywhere from physical to extremely verbal. Mostly physical behavior though. Would you have a couple tips you could send, or maybe some approaches? I don't know if your knowledge is the same with adult behavior, but I could really use your help. We have a resident with skitofrenia and is very, very ADHD. Also have a resident with PW syndrome just for some examples.
Schizophrenia
How has this gone?
I hate temper tantrums
Every moms hideout lol
So what do you do when there is a tantrum with violence (hitting, punching, and or slapping)?
Sometimes crisis training is the solution 👍🏻
What is the district, school, and IEP agreed method of addressing emergency situations like that? Every district is different, and some states have very clear laws when penal restraint can be used. Being trained on how to do that is essential, because otherwise you will get hurt and you could accidentally endanger the life of the child.
In this situation it looked like he had finished his computer time... Should the teacher then plan to have him use it again a second time? Wondering what would happen if he completed a second round of computer time -- would there be a repeat of the behavior? How should a teacher handle this? Would it help to give him advance notice, ie "1 more minute, then all done"? And then quickly redirect with another known motivating activity?
I think we all would need more info to be more certain of what to do 👍🏻
Some classrooms use "tablet time" as a "free choice" and sometimes, schools are required to get kids to a minimum number of minutes per category (math and reading) in district mandated software unless the child is above certain percentile.
I really liked what one teacher I know has done with letting them move pictures to choice boards and stations to help build communication skills and sharing, especially if they don't use a talking board.
Take a class in grad school called psychopharmacology
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it’s not a “tantrum”, it’s a meltdown, and don’t try to defy what i said, i’m autistic myself and i actually know
I have been studying both and trying too know the difference for tantrum you do what she says but for a meltdown what should be done? Do we treat this different since it's not for attentions but cuz of sensory overload ?
I think you are arguing over labels and what matters most is that someone is upset and that's not good
It all depends on the function of the behavior and there are 4 functions
@@TheBdinovi1 you are an NT. You literally have NO say in what is considered a meltdown or a tantrum when it comes to autistic people. don’t speak for us, don’t speak over us.
Hello fellow Thomas fan!
But my question is what happens when your distraction methods are done. You just promised him he can get back on the computer after he does x thing but what if the other kid is still on the computer and all the others are taken. Oh boy you got a storm on your hands. It seems to me that he needs a more preferred item but if there’s not one then he just has to get mad.
My autistic daughter makes unwanted shrill voices when she is excited.how to fix that plz reply
It depends on the function of why she does it out of the 4 functions 👍🏻
why does it need to be fixed? this is probably a stim which is what autisric people use to regulate. we dont need fixing we need love and understanding but people who want us to pretend were neurotypical for THEIR benefit and comfort
She used redirection and it worked.. i see no fault in her approach.
While reinforcing The tantrum behavior. If she keeps doing that the tantrum behavior won't decrease. That's a problem.
@@backcountrygirl she did a redirection or a dra. Which was in fact okay. I don’t see encouragement of tantrum.
@@bipolarandme3040 she’s reinforcing the tantrum because she’s giving attention to his tantrum. I understand that’s sometimes the instinct but her attention is reinforcing the tantrum like behavior.
@@bipolarandme3040 She did not use DRA because no specific alternative behavior was established that she would use to "redirect" this child. Sure, she "redirected" while simultaneously reinforcing a problem behavior (tantrum). Now there has been a chain created where the child can engage in a problem behavior in order to maintain the function of their behavior whether it is access or escape. No differential reinforcement was used, only the reinforcement of problem behavior.
Doyle Locks
Terrbie ways! Will cause more stress!😠
i have a question do you only work with kids with Autsim or do you work with kids that have half special needs and half regular and do you also work with them with a learning problems and do you restrain kids if you need too??
We help any kids using behavior analysis
@@TheBdinovi1 oh ok thank you
Always kiss me goodnight
What if they start causing harm to themselves to other students and to you if you don’t comply with their request ?🫣🧐 I’m not in this field but if I see he is acting dangerous I’ll give up. If doesn’t worth danger ! I’ll give them what they need . Life is too short for too much stress and troubles