Revisiting My Mostly Good 2020 NFL Draft Grades That Justin Herbert Single Handedly Ruined
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This is why I am such a fan of yours because coming out and saying I was wrong on the internet or really anywhere is rare and I respect the hell out of it 💯
Means a lot!! Think we can all learn a lot from going back and thinking of why I/we missed.
I've come a long way since these 2020 grades, was a fun process to look back on! Glad you enjoyed 😀
@@ThatFranchiseGuy That's an important mindset to bring to many aspects of our lives. Much respect 👍
The pff guy who said herbert can't play never said he was wrong but still has a hate boner for herbert. It's good to see people admit they were wrong about herbert. What they did to herbert in oregon was down right criminal. They hid his immense talent with awful play calling and schemes and If herbert played at Alabama he would have broken records and possibly won a heisman.
@@ThatFranchiseGuy I am so sorry I have a mental disorder.
@@ThatFranchiseGuy it took 3 times till I finally comprehended. And I so sorry
The Justin Herbert analysis was understandable but the biggest L You took was saying Nate Peterman is your QB1 in the 2017 draft LOL
Also said Watson was the only one I'd actually draft in the Top 10.
I also was 23 doing this as a total side hussel with no idea how to scout. 🤷♂️
@@ThatFranchiseGuy just take the L bro
@@DavidTorres-is6wo i hope ur joking dude
@@Lac6258 Both are great but Herbert can do more things due to his arm talent. But for now i Have burrow slightly ahead he just has that "IT" factor me, just truly special.
Peterman is a walking dumpster fire 🔥
Can’t believe this was two years ago
Same bro. Can't believe I've been here that long already.
Yeah last years is also about to be 2 years ago lol, it feels crazy huh
Goes to show that there's still time for alot of these guys.
Dude Cole Kmet is one of the best overall TE's in football and just got a big extension. He was absolutely worth that pick and his grade should have been an A+ or at very least an A. I'm not even a Bears fan
Watching this after the conclusion of the 2022 season and postseason. The Eagles analysis is spot on for Reagor who they ended up trading away. The analysis on Hurts probably changes 180 degrees at this point though. But before 2022 started we didn't necessarily know what was about to happen.
Shows that after two years is still too early to review
Herbert made a lot of scouts look silly. You definitely were not alone.
His tape was pretty bad. Hard to grade when you don't see the traits he's shown in the NFL. Oregon wasted his talent
@@jeffhopp1575 His traits were all over the tape. The reason scouts were out on him was his wild inconsistency from game to game. He’d be Aaron Rodgers one game and then Nathan Peterman the next one. It’s the same reason people were hesitant about Justin Fields in 2021 (he only had 2 bad games though)
This was great, imo you should do 2018 or 2019 because now we really know how these drafts went
After 2 years Josh Allen still sucked, so I think 2020 is still fairly early
This
Case and point- Jalen Hurts lol
Love videos like this Marcus! Good on you for being brave enough to do this. Don’t see Kiper grading himself for years past lol
You should review draft Grades after 4 years in the league just to see if your opinions change after their rookie contracts/ hearing into 5th year options. I love your draft takes and think it would be fine to give your final grade for them at that point.
Looking back at the 2020 class for Pittsburgh, the fact that they got Minkah, Chase, Highsmith, and Dotson in hindsight is pretty darn good value. One of my favorite classes for sure.
Don’t think you can keep Love an A+ while keeping Hurts an F. He doesn’t have much upside but at least he’s contributed to wins.
Hurts is an A for where they drafted him even if he never is the best qb and love is a C grade at best
To be fair, he gave Love a "TBD" grade. But the fact that Hurts keeps his F grade is insane..
Its F because the process is terrible, getting Hurts in the 2nd for a noncompetitive team when he is essentially a middle of the road qb with a similar ceiling is a move to go .500, not to build for the future. On top of that you have Wentz rostered and are making essentially a lateral move in terms of competing for a championship. That being said I think it should be a D rather than F given the Wentz trade that makes it less of an awful pick
@@rambaral1698 getting a good quarterback in the 2nd round is never an F
@@neonwhitea.1548 He’s not a good quarterback… that’s a key piece you have missed there
Haha F on Jalen Hurts and doubled down wow
I wish now draft folks did this and kept themselves accountable.
Zero accountability in draft content. The same dopes will come back even more arrogant next year despite getting everything wrong. Good for Franchise Guy for doing this
It’s all subjective . Who gives a shit if they wrong or not
With as many "inconclusive" re-grades you gave do you think you'd revisit this class again in a couple years from now as their rookie contracts expire? Also not to mention some of these guys careers could take off or fall apart in the next couple seasons. Just an idea for more of your content.
If he does, the F he gave Jalen Hurts is gonna look really bad
Completely missed on the whole Eagles class if we're being honest with ourselves
Also the Claypool pick is not a slam dunk anymore lol
Important to remember that a lot of the grades are based on process rather than player. Things have changed in hindsight for a lot of these teams that don't really invalidate what you originally saw on tape.
It's just very hard to look back at these grades and say that Okudah wasn't the right pick at 3 and etc.
I agree for the most part, however I will say there were people at the time before the draft questioning if Okudah was worth it. Prospect fatigue happens, but Okudah showed some reddish flags (pink flags?) in the lead up to the draft that ended up panning out a bit
1:06:37 “I liked that gamble on Isiah Rodgers” nice pun
This is probably a good example to remember that how you view draft prospects personally is important, it’s good to stick by players you like JJ was my WR1 and Antonio Gibson or Aj Dillon or Herbert or Akers or Terrell all did well too despite what analysts said
The problem with the Jordan Love pick is GB has already wasted his rookie contract.
And he used that against DeAndre Swift but not against Love...
it wasnt wasted...Rodgers woke the F up...by picking love they got amazing value in turning Rodgers into the best QB in the league again...well best outside of playoffs...there is no chance Love on any other team would have played better than the revitalized Rodgers.
@@bodhisfattva7462 It was a waste. 1st round picks aren't benched their entire rookie contract if they're worth anything. The packers could've taken the best player on the board or taken a need, instead they took a QB when they already had a top 5 QB in the league.
Oh man, some of these changed so much within just a year... "Has the Jalen Hurts pick really gotten [the Eagles] anywhere?" Obviously near impossible to predict this stuff though.
19:12 You might need to rename this video. A good sign that two years is not a short enough window to do a regrade. Seem to recall you saying Darnold was off to a promising start in your 2018 regrade as well, so it goes both ways
Bro Mooney is higher than a B+, in hindsight he's easily an A+. He's a 5th rounder and has a career 1700 receiving yards in 2 years. You said Cephus is still an A- with 500 career receiving yards, Mooney 100% should get acknowledged as better than a B+.
Everyone and their mothers were wrong on Herbert, me included. I hated it when we drafted him! But more importantly than being wrong is trying to understand why we were all so wrong.
I really undervalued his ability to spread the ball. It was an obvious thing from his tape, and not something that should be overlooked, like it was. Especially because it means he IS going through his progressions, and finding someone to get the ball to.
I really overestimated how quickly NFL coaching can get a player free of terrible habits. In Justin's case was that ridiculous ball flip he always did after receiving the snap. By the end of training camp it was already coached out of him.
Another thing that should be noted was him being a checkdown machine, and not going deep that often. This was all about Oregon's scheme, and even though he does tend to check down at times, he does read the whole field (like I mentioned earlier). Another mental note right there.
His generational physical talent should have also come into play when evaluating him. 6'6" 240 with a cannon and mobility. His Rose bowl performance where he beat the Badgers with his legs should have eliminated a lot of doubts about him. They said he didn't have the fire but that game proved that he did.
Respect to you for this type of content! I love this stuff so I’m glad you’re willing to go back and critic yourself
Considering Rodgers has been extended PAST love’s rookie deal, coupled with the fact that they traded UP to get him, makes the Jordan Love one of the worst draft picks in recent memory imo
I’d still say they Josiah deguera was the worst pick the packers made the whole draft
It was the right pick at the time, as Rodgers had been declining from 2015-2019. Obviously we know what happened next but the pick was fine
@@moistnar no it wasn't.
What makes people believe Aaron Rodgers is gonna play out this deal? With this roster?
@@tvtda1 Because he...agreed to the terms and signed it less than 3 months ago?
This is such good content and good on you for going back to criticize yourself to improve your craft. Out of everyone I follow on TH-cam you put in the most work that I can tell. I can't believe you're not at 100k yet but I know great success is ahead of you and I look forward to following it!
Appreciate that man ❤️
For guys you don’t get to scout, I think it’d be helpful to put “N/A” instead of a C just so you know in the future that you didn’t get to them when looking back and so you’re not grading the pick without having watched the player first. Just a suggestion. Keep up the amazing content, love it all!
The hurts and Herbert grades and evaluations did not age well
To be fair that packers draft class is still a ton of TBD, I don’t think too many people were high on Dillon at the time either, only really hardcore fans understood why they took a RB in the 2nd buuuuut many still felt that was a reach for him.
That hurts grade really lookin awful now lol
How's this looking?
@@user-br2gi8kh5s Still not an F after 1 ok season dofus
@@user-br2gi8kh5sHe played well this season wym?
7th round A’s are tough to knock. But idgaf the Jordan Love was never a good pick.
As a Pats fan, giving an A to Michael Onwenu is pretty impressive.
19:08 is LOL. You were 100% correct about Jefferson over Reagor, but come on. The diss on Jalen Hurts was a really bad take. "Has Jalen Hurts really gotten them anywhere? Not really." Then Eagles go on to the Superbowl vs. Chiefs.
Let's re-grade the Giants. I agree that (for the most part) you accurately graded it. Good job!
Andrew Thomas: A. Correct! True Left Tackle. Lots of TV pundits got him wrong. Grade is A+.
Xavier McKinney: A. Correct! Total playmaker. Could easily upgrade to A+.
Matt Peart: A+. Incorrect. Grade is D. Lacked stoutness. Clinging to a roster spot. Likely cut in 2023. Replaced by Evan Neal.
Darnay Holmes: A. Incorrect. Grade is a B or C+. Tough slot corner but who is very grabby and gets called for PI.
Shane Lamieux: B+. Grade is F but injuries were hard to predict. Ironman in college but couldn't stay healthy in NFL. Likely cut in 2023.
Cam Brown: A. Ok. Grade is B. Solid special teams but has done little aside from Special Teams. It's a 6th round pick.
Carter Coughlin: A+. Grade is a B. Solid pick for the 7th. Mainly just Specials. Converted from Edge to depth off-ball LB.
TJ Brunson: C. Correct. Practice Squad player and then cut.
Chris Williamson: C. Correct. Never made the team.
Tae Crowder: C. Incorrect! This was a A+ pick for Mr. Irrelevant. He was a ILB starter who flashed athleticism and playmaking (former RB).
Seriously fantastic work man! I can't believe after allllll those draft prospects work and grading all the teams and everything else, you still go back and review your old grades. It's so awesome man! I appreciate the work! Only Thing Though! Why no timestamps? I know it's probably not worth the work, but still it's nice for us viewers haha. Love the content my man!
It’s brutal that less than half of the 2019 Packers draft still has any chance do to anything with the Packers
Love your content man, you’ve definitely came a long way from your 2017 days😂 ive been a fan for a while, keep up the great content
Thank you! It's crazy to look back and see how far we've come.
Has Jalen hurts really gotten them anywhere? Sheesh that statement is rough. I feel for the guy since my favorite qb in 2018 was Rosen. Hindsight is 20/20
hey, 100% completely unrelated, but i saw ur tweet about the graphics today and had an idea. especially early in the deep dives, you spend a ton of time talking about some guys that won’t even make the squad, i’d like to see a “projected cut line” to see who you think will win out camp battles. just a fun thought, so excited for the deep dives this year!
That Jalen hurts take really did not age well
Loved this video. Important for all of us to admit when we're wrong (I thought Bengals should have gone Penei Sewell over Chase so there ya go) - no one will predict everything correctly - but man you got a lot right!
But Penei was crazy good as well. Maybe they still make the SB with Penei
@@younggoose7315 Yh no they don't
@@elijahwilkey8036 you don’t know that
@@younggoose7315 I've thought a lot about this - Bengals really challenged the way I think about offensive strategy. They had Higgins and Boyd already and a terrible Oline so I thought Penei Sewell was a no-brainer. They add Chase and go to the Super Bowl. But not every quarterback can be sacked 9 times and come out with a win, so that's something to consider too. How badly does the QB need a clean pocket.
@@younggoose7315 penei isn't scoring 14 tds and having the most receiving yards ever in a rookie season
Hey man Happy Birthday(whenever it was this weekend). Keep up the great work. Excited for deep dive season when you get back!
Seeing this just reiterates to me, how much landing spot matters in the NFL. We shouldn't underestimate a team's ability to miss-manage players. Some of those guys you were high on, were actually great prospects, that either landed in a crowded place, and unable to standout.... or maybe went to places with didn't value their particular skillset (which is always a head scratcher)...
Coming back from 2024, you nailed the greenbay draft grades.
We appreciate the kj Osborn apology . this why I respect your work when your wrong you admit it & even give reason you either were to high or low on said player 👌👌
Nah you were right on Matt Peart he shows Flashes every now and then of a Good tackle but he plays like he has pity for his opponents and that leads to him giving up sacks Hopefully someday he can develop that mean streak because I’ve seen him have good games against Good edge rushers just needs to be more consistent
Hodgins hasn't done anything because he's been buried in one of the best WR rooms in the NFL, he hasn't gotten a shot to do anything.
2020 draft was the best of my entire life as a bengals fan
I like what you are doing and appreciate the work you put in.
I have one small critique which would lead to more work for you.
Not sure how you get the pool of players you rate but you often miss many players that end up getting drafted. You always give those picks a default grade of C.
Perhaps it would behoove you to take a little time, post draft, to evaluate those players before posting draft evaluations.
I did this most recent year!
Bartch is competing with Tyler Shatley to start at LG for Jax this fall. He's pretty good honestly
I think the A+ grade for Jordan Love is not great RIGHT NOW. There's a chance he turns into something great but I'm not holding my breath.
It's not great at all. Marcus is making all types of excuses for it but GB had much bigger needs elsewhere than a backup QB.
Love is a third round QB at best
It’s a C grade at the best
Why don't you guys like Jordan love? its been 1 start, it was on the road, He's started a game earlier than Aaron Started. do you guys have issues with his game? whats the issue?
@@tvtda1 all of it, he was a 2nd to 3rd round talent that got drafted onto a team that doesn’t make any sense, the packers would have to pay him before Rodgers is even off his current contract, even if it made some sense at the time looking back on it it’s a disaster
@@tvtda1 he also played in the second half of their final game against the Lions (who would’ve gotten the #1 pick had they lost) and looked awful….don’t forget about that as well
The Broncos grades were WAY off now that even MORE time has passed 😂
1)Judy? BUST...Gone for a 6th rndr
2)kj hammer? BUST (p squad somewhere else)
3)ojemudia? BUST (out the league?)
4)Mctelvin? Gone (out the league)
5)Albert O? Traded for a late rnd pick and fighting for a P squad spot on the eagles
6)Strand? Bust ...doesn't belong in the nfl
7)muti? Bust (out the league maybe?)
8) Cleveland? Bust out the league
9)derek? Bust out the league
Only guy remaining might be Strnad (Broncos P squad maybe?)
This was Elways last draft as GM and thank God it was 😂
As a Vikes fan I think you can give yourself a W. I think you were right overall, and there are still a few tbds for that draft because of Zimmer's 2021 feud/vendetta with Spielman that saw many inferior vets played ahead of Rick's recent picks.
I think Dantzler will be an unquestioned starter, and we might see more of players like Hand, Dye, Lynch, Willekes in 2023.
As of right now for the Giants (Rounds 1-4) ...
Andrew Thomas = A+ (Best tackle in football, or at least top 2 or 3.)
Xavier McKinney = B+ (Good safety with some more room to grow.)
Matt Peart = C- (Not a terrible pick at the time, but he hasn't gotten many chances. Showed promise with run blocking, but pass protection was bad. Might be ok depth.)
Darnay Holmes B-/B (Solid corner that has a propensity for bad penalties.)
Also, as a unexpected surprise, Hodgins has been great for us, especially considering he was a 6th round pick.
Loved the honesty in your reflection.
I'm criticial of 1st/2nd round running backs more than almost anyone. I think it's almost always a bad move. I've just seen too many 3rd or 4th or 5th round RBs come in and set the world on fire. With that being said, how freaking insane would it have been if the Chiefs had simply taken Jonathan Taylor instead of CEH. What an absolute nightmare that would be for the rest of the NFL lol.
1st round HBs are almost always a waste due to opportunity cost...the fall off in production from 1st to 4th round hbs is very minor but 1st to 4th round of any other position is usually HUGE.
Darrynton Evans gets injured if you stare at him too hard. Talented guy, but his body can't hold up.
I remember i was hyped the Titans got him. Thought him and Henry were gonna be a fire duo.
at 14:52 "this is the year that we find out if Devin Duvernay can play". We did, and he can't. Or at least the offensive scheme sucks for receivers and the backup quarterbacks were terrible, so at best it's still a TBD, which sucks for everyone involved.
Raiders analysis was probably the biggest dub
as a Giants fan here in 2023, I will say u was not wrong about Isaiah Hodgins, he issa BALLER.!
Jalen Hurts is a plus starter as well. He’s quite good. You’re dead wrong. He’s not top 10 but he can play
Literally just got done re-watching all those videos like last week
Position values change from one year to another, assessing a two years ago evaluation is not that easy
Jalen hurts take aged the worst😭
The reason tennessee didn't like Evans was because he was hurt, like all the time. Never saw playing time cause he was never available.
I felt the same way about Herbert before his rookie year, and I think it was completely justifiable at the time he has become a completely different player than his tape showed from Oregon
Crazy how a year changes things. Claypool is far from a slam dunk now lol
Also Jordan love looks to be in Green Bay for a while
Eagles also aren’t looking for a qb
You're seriously sticking with the A+ grade on the Jordan Love pick?
Yeah, the other thing that doesn’t make sense is if you hit an A+ QB in a draft no matter how bad everything else is it’s still a good draft, the fact that Marcus gives the draft an F while leaving Love an A shows he doesn’t believe it either
I thought I said it's still Tbd?
Jalen Hurts F has aged even more poorly since this video, none the less really enjoy your content!
W - right letter grade
L - wrong letter grade
wash - clouded by tbds
The real grade needs to be on using the same background music for the last 2 year 😜 Great breakdown always enjoy the long videos
That jalen hurts evaluation looks good asf rn
jalen hurts proving himself this year is soooo satisfying after seeing everyone talk down on him. his development has been amazing
Love the regrades. Curious which teams you see have the best draft results and best hit rates with their picks and value.
I’m a raiders fan, calling Bryan edwards a good player definitely a little much. Most of what you said about him is right, he can’t separate, struggles in zone, and isn’t a good route runner. He just is so physically imposing he can make maybe a decent play a game. D- C not really a huge whiff
The safety in Washington is Kamren Curl
Idk how you can give the Bengals anything other than A+. They got Burrow, Higgins and Wilson in the first three rounds. That's a home run draft. And looking at the ravens A+ is crazy they got a mid LB Queen and a injury walking RB
I think you're still underevaluating jalen hurts. The man has only ever improved since getting a starting role, in college he got better, and in the NFL he's gotten better. Is her perfect no, but he's developing the way an NFL QB used to, he seems like he has the ceiling to be The Guy by year four and Philly sees this.
He just be d.e on the eagles fr as a whole he never gives them credit, especially hurts😂even tho he was improving throughout the season besides against the bucs
Love this and impressive track record!! I think it would be better to give new grades and see how close you were rather than just pass or fail
Haha still wrong on hurts & oof that F is going to hurt each yr probably 2nd best depending on Herbert but doubt love better than tua so love 2nd best is crazy 5th but probably not even yet
What the hell? A+ for Jordan Love? Broooooo
The echo chamber that was Justin Herbert’s pre draft analysis is comical. As someone that watched him live in Autzen it was crazy seeing the ball explode off his hand. And remember he had to learn a new offense constantly.
His college tape wasn't good. Nobody denied the arm talent. I even said he will have top 5 arm talent the second he got drafted.
@@ThatFranchiseGuy I think a lot of people forgot he had to constantly learn new offenses as well. This year will be the first time he has the same offense in the last 6 years
Way off on Hurts huh?😂
Literally a complete terrible take on the Jordan love situation. They were a super bowl level team and wasted a first round pick on a backup then their second on a rb when they already had two good ones. This is the worst draft of all time
Are you a Ravens fans? Holy crap you were extremely optimistic about his draft at the time. Never heard someone call the Duvernay pick an A+
To be fair, the Vikings did land 4 starters in the first 5 rounds in Jefferson, Cleveland, dantzler and Osborn. While the late picks didn’t hit, that’s still a good haul
Was looking forward to this
The Tommy Stevens pick was someone that Sean Payton wanted to bring in as a PFA as a Taysom Hill type of guy and had a handshake deal with him but the Panthers, his favorite team, undercut them so Sean Payton traded back into the 7th and drafted him.
Part of me thinks the packers never expected to play a season in 2020. All their picks were for future needs
To be fair about the Herbert analysis/criticism, in my eyes alot of the things that you said and other people said about him during the draft process was absolutely true at that time. The key words are: at that time. One of the big differences between us armchair GMs and actual GMs is they get to meet the player and talk to the player many times throughout the process, as well as his friends, family, coaches etc. So just because a player struggles with the mental side of the game, doesn't mean a team can't meet him, realize he's very bright, and believe they can coach it into him. This what I think happened with Josh Allen. He had tremendous gifts but horrible habits - I didn't like him but Buffalo believed they could coach it out of him and they did. The same thing happened with Herbert, it just happened alot faster because he happens to be tremendously bright - something we all heard, but aren't able to believe in without getting the opportunities real GMs get to meet players. This is why I believe you see teams buying high on these boom or bust QBs. My hope is that somehow the same thing can happen with Fields and my Bears. Trubisky didn't have the baseline physical talent of a Herbert/Allen/Fields and thus he ended up not being a good comparison to Herbert/with a different career outcome. Fields and Malik Willis would be in this same category, where you are betting on the gifts raising the player's 'floor' and coaching the bad habits out through time.
Marcus, I think you are going to hard on the HBs, especially Swift. They are going to have to pay him, but you are not taking into account the offensive line. With a HB like swift running the OLine got to gel and learn the way to play together. They have become a very good line, and big part of that is how they grew and became crazy good run blockers.
Swift will never be the reason the lions are any good
The problem is they won't have to pay him because you can say this about 60-70% of RBs
Darrynton Evans has struggled to stay healthy. Got cut this offseason, in Chicago now
i’m afraid isaiah hodgins isn’t the same player as drake london
The A for the Denzel Mims pick looked okay after year one, but year two was really bad lol, he's just not a fit for the system that LaFleur is running
He had 300 yards and no touchdowns as a rookie but okay.
@@chozengaming8547 I mean considering the QB situation he showed some promise and flashes
@@jakeselig7410 I do not agree but to each their own
The Eagles draft should honestly be at least a B+ because of that Hurts pick. That might be one of your worst takes ever
33:08 was an enigmatic home run, and your commentary was correct in every regard. It was not a Wiff. He wasn't a fit with the Bills but was a stud WR1 for the playoff 2022 Giants who paradoxically had the *same* OC in coach Daboll. How does that make sense? Nonetheless, he was everything you said he would be...but for the Giants.
Ooh.. I remember that Justin Hebert grade...
Everyone got herbert wrong, not even his biggest fans thought herbert being a god of football was even possible. Oregan kept herbert on a leash for no reason, its clear they didn't know what they had and because of that people thought his college struggles were on him instead of his coaches so they thought he wouldn't work in the nfl
Man we're off on Reagor. He is an F. He isn't even a KR
You’re being too lenient on yourself. Not trying to bash you
This is exactly the content that I needed right now