I made popcorn🍿before watching this long session😁 I'm glad your phone didn't die. I think you two made the right choice 160 spins who knows what the other two options might have paid maybe more maybe less but a handpay of $2,022.55 is still great even with a $40 bet. Fun session to kick up the feet and watch. Thanks for the entertainment💜💜💜🥂
“Another 50cent hopefully” 🤣 I feel him! It’s definitely a win so congrats on that! But I think we all would’ve hoped for a bit more on that bet. Enjoyed watching the full video lady! 😘
Everything is relative in life. When you gamble at the levels we do, you become numb. We're very humble and there's nothing wrong with being disappointed with a smaller win on a large bet.
People keep saying the bonus was small because it was a $40 bet. However, on Wonder 4 you have 4 screens... each screen pays out based on a portion of the bet size. So on her $40 bet, each screen paid based on a $10 spin. Her bonus ended up paying 200x.
wow lady luck that was awesome i appeciate ur videos so much with this covid i recently discovered ur channel so im watching all ur videos since i recently became i fan n pressed like on all keep it going lady luck
I agree with hubby 'cuz If you did 160 spins @ 40 dollars each...that would cost $6,400....it also only gave you enough for 50 spins...you got robbed on that bonus....the video was entertaining...thank you!
lucky hand with 160 free spins .... I think this machine generally doesn't give that much ... I admire your persistence ... good luck and a great time😎👍❤
It was an awesome win to get that many games but I definitely agree with hubby he had every right to be salty! Lol great video commentary was hilarious 🤣
At least you had the positive thinking your bonus was gonna last 40 min! To bad it didn’t! So happy for you both! Love seeing lovely people win lots of money! Congrats!! 🎈🍾
I love this game and I’ve picked both options. I believe either they will both pay the same or one pays huge .. Sometimes the Rhinos is supposed to stomp more on those Stacked games but it doesn’t always work. I had over 300 games once and I think he brushed 2X and never stomped once.😂🤣.. congrats on the hand pay .. 💰🎉
The third one always fool you. He barely stomped on my 120 spin. You got to remember, I had 480 spin for the middle one which was with a full screen of gold rhino on one of the screen. Makes me think I would have gotten way more if I picked the middle one with that many spin.
I watch you guys all the time. Love your videos. Just wondering, do you all live in Vegas? I do, and it just seems like your always here. Keep those great videos coming. Love them. 🙂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻
Hi LADY LUCK HQ!! I watched this video session awhile back but I didn't comment on it and maybe I should have. I have played KONAMI slots like this game was for years and the GENERAL RULE for KONAMI PAYOUTS is the # of FREE GAMES won times your BET. Therefore the expectation for your bonus was 160 x $40 = $6400!! Your bonus result of $2000 was low for sure, but there is a wide variation possible with that formula. Next time you'll get alot more!! Best of Luck! Love your Slot Channel!!
To all the people calling it a 40$ spin, it is only a 10$ spin. These wonder 4 machines are just 4 machines bundled together. Therefore this bonus is 1/4 of the total bet. I’d advise all the people in the comments to learn how these machines work before calling this win unacceptable. 2k on a 10$ bet is more than adequate.
That's a crazy amount of free games..Congrats on that nice hand pay jackpot.. Some bonus have a lot no win spins.. Triple Fortune Dragon does that a lot..
Good choice I’m taking the games over the 40 games I play this game a lot never ever do I choose anything but games I’ve had as many as 900 + It may work once in a while but as long as I’ve been playing it I’ve never seen anybody hit it on that 40 when they’ve won over 100 games or any game for that matter...Good hit guys congrats
Take a deep breath... 2K win is a nice win, better then you play it all down without a win ;) On that exact machine, the same $40 bet playing Buffalo I got 6K line hit few months back.
I love it when Math experts like HUBBY see they were wrong about an amount. It even made him just guess on another number and you said CLOSE LOL Congrats on the Handie!! As always Good luck & I keep you both in my thoughts & prayers.
I don’t play those multi-games that much. But when you was betting 40.00 was each game worth 10.00 each since it was 4 games? I was just confused when people were saying for a 40.00 bet it didn’t pay well. I was thinking for a 10.00 bet it paid good. Yes it was 40.00 total, I was just trying to understand the games. I’ve had times I had free spins and barely won anything. Your videos are fun to watch.
As an Avid rhino charge slot player next time I would advise you to pick the lower amount of free spins because he Stomps and does all kinds of weird stuff a lot more during the lower amount of free spins
How long did that take to complete. 3-5 hours. I had a full screen of the gold rhino on one of the four. I got 480 spin but I chose the 120 spin. Took at least close to 30 min.
Technically you are betting $10 per screen, if it was 1 screen only then yes it is a $40 bet. Therefore, 2K win on 10 dollars is pretty good. I know there was 160 games but you are lucky if you get
Have a good chuckle on this story: Last year my SO was getting tired and ready to retire to our room but decided to use up a $3 TITO. He bet only 3 games for $1.05 and got a full screen of rhinos (multiple re-triggers included, for 596 games)! It took a full hour to conclude the bonus and he only cashed out with a little over $200! But, it was great entertainment.
At around $1700 won the machine appeared to come to its senses and stopped giving away free money. Was there a re-trigger available in that bonus game? If there was, odd that it never went off in 160 spins. And (quick math) 2000 won on 160 $40-equivalent spins works out to a $2000 return on a $6400 investment, less than 1:3. But since the actual investment was $40 the return was 50:1 which is nothing to sneeze at but not earth shattering either. IOW... looks great in theory but the math says “yawn.”
I had 804 free spins on the penny ones, I was making at 10 per bet it was so disappointing I only won 2789 it was awful lol ,all the workers were watching said they had never saw that many spins ,of course all towers were open it was just crazy !!! Yes I have photos to prove it ,just in case lol ! Good luck to you always
Wow I think I got about 250 for 4 dollar bet on this. It was around that but I have not played it since. Most spins was a waste lol. Still cool to get it on very first 40 dollar spin lol
Hey ladyluck I know you have the same phone like me. Google pixel and I hate the Notch. There is a way to hide it. It's easy just go to (about phone) and click on (build numbed) 3 times and then you gonna get (developer option) and then look for (display cutout) and then there is an option that says. Hide. And you all set. Thank me later lol. Sorry is that I hate notches. Just throwing it out there in case you don't like the Notch
Next time you guys should just got the 'brake' and force stop the frames.....perhaps after the first 20th dead spins....do or die 'turbo' game....anyway it's still awesome....CHAYOK!!!! 🇲🇾
Actually Francine, I was playing the Ying Yang game and I got three hundred free games, which is un heard of at Planet Hollywood, it took me 2 hours to complete and I ended up walking away with 1000 dollars
Hey lady luck . Have you and the hubby ever thought about coming back to Michigan and playing some casinos there? There is a nice one in New Buffalo Michigan four winds casino. And they do allow recording and live play. At least they have with other channels that have been there.
@@LadyLuckHQ I think they do. But it's my personal opinion lol. I think you guys would really enjoy it there. You guys can check out their website add Facebook page and then make a decision from there. I know some other channels have had successful group pulls ect... I'm actually going there Friday I can say something to my host. I'm not sure how all that worksif you guys contact them or if they contact you lol. Above my paygrade lol
I dont understand why didn't yall fast spin to break up the timing. Im just trying to learn and understand? Yall are amazing thank you for sharing everything that you create!!
I love your slot videos but it seems lately there are too many commercials and now double commercials. I understand the monetizing of the videos but I feel it takes away from the quality and suspense.
How do I send you my JACKPOT ! I was playing mighty cash because of you !! OMG I JUST HIT 11K on my 5th spin got free games & GRAND DROPPED DOWN INSTANTLY!
I think 2000$ on a 10$ bet is pretty decent. It’s 40$ bet overall but that’s 10$ per screen/game. With 160 games tho it could have been more but it can always be more.
Do you always win like that, Lady Luck? That was an easy $1600 (if you cashed out the remainder of your original $1000 plus those winnings, minus original investment). Very nice! I'm not quite as lucky.
$2000 really?!!! and 160 free games🤯. My husband played the buffalos and were betting $15.00 and won $18,000.00. I for sure thought you were gonna get way more than that. And your betting $40🤦🏽♀️ I would’ve been hella salty.
Hilarious video & this was my ALL-Time record free games on High Limit Rhino Charge!!! The reactions are hilarious! Enjoy!!
I had 360 spins in December 2019 and 400 in May 2019...I have pics but dont know how to post them!!
my record HP. $ 3790.88 on 80cent spin 1400 spins
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Awesome job.
Just watching all ur vids lol and ur so low energy here 🤣🤣🥴 poor LL! Was just over it!
I made popcorn🍿before watching this long session😁 I'm glad your phone didn't die. I think you two made the right choice 160 spins who knows what the other two options might have paid maybe more maybe less but a handpay of $2,022.55 is still great even with a $40 bet. Fun session to kick up the feet and watch. Thanks for the entertainment💜💜💜🥂
I forgot to add 22 and 55 are my angel numbers and it shows in your win $2,022.55😇 I hope we get more long sessions you two are so fun to watch
I totally want popcorn now🤣
@@LadyLuckHQ Ha you actually made me laugh out loud😂🤣🙆♀️
Thanks, you've saved me from ever putting a nickel in this game
Haha! I'm glad I could do that for you!
“Another 50cent hopefully” 🤣 I feel him! It’s definitely a win so congrats on that! But I think we all would’ve hoped for a bit more on that bet. Enjoyed watching the full video lady! 😘
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WOW that is one SUPER handpay Lady.
Wow 160 free spins good luck I love your video
Thank you!!
The best feature was 40 games you got more chances to hit full screen. But good win 👍
Next time we will try that one
I like her personality alwyes positive and happy..keep playing tell you hit big then u owe me drink.. 😍👍
Thank you so much!!
Just binge watching your videos. Hubby is salty but do you know how many people would love to have a 2000 win? Humble yourselves
Everything is relative in life. When you gamble at the levels we do, you become numb. We're very humble and there's nothing wrong with being disappointed with a smaller win on a large bet.
Well a win is a win but you would think with a 160 spins at $40.00 per spins you should of won more then 2K Thank you for sharing Lady Luck 💰💰💰💰🍀🍀
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Angelo Cipriano should HAVE won more THAN 2k.
It paid based on a $10 bet, not $40. If you look at each screen, it says GAME BET XXXX. So she was betting $10 per screen on that bonus trigger.
Bra its not 40 every spin its 10 dollars every spin because each screen is 10x4=40
Awww wish you would have picked the 40 with the stack wilds or the unknown cash amount would have been at least 7 grand
Wow what a great win on the 160 spin bonus , That is awesome sauce !!
I would've been salty too. I was like "160 games, it's on now". But still a good outcome win
LOL IT was a fun run!!!1
People keep saying the bonus was small because it was a $40 bet. However, on Wonder 4 you have 4 screens... each screen pays out based on a portion of the bet size. So on her $40 bet, each screen paid based on a $10 spin. Her bonus ended up paying 200x.
Lol there is only one screen on the feature the 2000 was won hey
@@adrianmcgiure3270 Wonder 4 "maximizes" the 1 screen which hit the bonus, and does the free spins. It still paid based on a $10 spin.
wow lady luck that was awesome i appeciate ur videos so much with this covid i recently discovered ur channel so im watching all ur videos since i recently became i fan n pressed like on all keep it going lady luck
You're the best. Thanks for your support Jennifer!!
Wow it should have been way more than that amount; those machines are tight! Still a win is a win lol! Lots of luck to you! Cool video! 🍀
Thanks for watching
😱🤑🤯 nice bonus wow 160 spins wow
Crazy amount of bonus games
Outrageous hit!!
Nice win LLHQ... Wonder 4 is usually my come up game. I like to play the miss kitty version.
I agree with hubby 'cuz If you did 160 spins @ 40 dollars each...that would cost $6,400....it also only gave you enough for 50 spins...you got robbed on that bonus....the video was entertaining...thank you!
Thanks for watching
That was AWESOME!! CONGRATS on the Handpay!!
Wow!!! 160 games!!! That's Awesome sauce!!!
Thank you
lucky hand with 160 free spins .... I think this machine generally doesn't give that much ... I admire your persistence ... good luck and a great time😎👍❤
Fantastic video and a beautiful session as well. Thanks for posting this.
Wow that's a lot of spins - awesome!
It was an awesome win to get that many games but I definitely agree with hubby he had every right to be salty! Lol great video commentary was hilarious 🤣
Lol it happens
I would normally take the super free games, that's where the big money is at especially betting $40. Still a great hit regardless!
At least you had the positive thinking your bonus was gonna last 40 min! To bad it didn’t! So happy for you both! Love seeing lovely people win lots of money! Congrats!! 🎈🍾
Haha! I was totally sweating it! Thank you my friend!! Really appreciate you =)
Lady Luck HQ I appreciate you both! Love your videos! My opinion best on the tube! Funny, real, and great people!
Congrats on that nice win
I love this game and I’ve picked both options. I believe either they will both pay the same or one pays huge .. Sometimes the Rhinos is supposed to stomp more on those Stacked games but it doesn’t always work. I had over 300 games once and I think he brushed 2X and never stomped once.😂🤣.. congrats on the hand pay .. 💰🎉
The third one always fool you. He barely stomped on my 120 spin. You got to remember, I had 480 spin for the middle one which was with a full screen of gold rhino on one of the screen. Makes me think I would have gotten way more if I picked the middle one with that many spin.
I watch you guys all the time. Love your videos. Just wondering, do you all live in Vegas? I do, and it just seems like your always here. Keep those great videos coming. Love them. 🙂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻
Lady luck great show
Thank you!!
Hi LADY LUCK HQ!!
I watched this video session awhile back but I didn't comment on it and maybe I should have. I have played KONAMI slots like this game was for years and the GENERAL RULE for KONAMI PAYOUTS is the # of FREE GAMES won times your BET. Therefore the expectation for your bonus was 160 x $40 = $6400!!
Your bonus result of $2000 was low for sure, but there is a wide variation possible with that formula. Next time you'll get alot more!!
Best of Luck!
Love your Slot Channel!!
I so wish it played out the you explained it --- maybe next time --- Thanks for watching =)
I agree with Hubby...seems like it wasn't living up the full potential but great win and awesome video!!!
You have more patience than me, I'd have given up way before the 160 spins lol. Glad it worked out for you.
Haha! Yeah it was definitely longer than expected! I just expected some bigger line hits though!
@@LadyLuckHQ me too especially on a $40 bet. I prefer lightening link games. Good luck for bigger jackpots x
Good Stuff! Nice Win Lady Luck HQ!
Thank you
More Rhino! More games? Congrats. That was a quite a bonus! Congrats. 💵👍💵👍💥💣💰🧨
Thank you
Always carry a battery pack Francine lol 160 free spins..... INSANE! Congrats
Nice video
A bit long
Nice win
$40 bet 160 free games, $2000 jackpot? Damn! Seems like a $200 win
Should have been wayyyyy more!
Am I seeing it wrong but didn't you win on multiple stations at 9:38? Are 3 rhinos the trigger?
Damn u deserve 20k for that many spins on bet 40
Felt the same exact way!
That was a brutal bonus
Still won tho🤣
Tough to look at.
Wow so many free games!!!!! That should have been a 4-5k handpay easily. Nice video tho!!!!!:)
To all the people calling it a 40$ spin, it is only a 10$ spin. These wonder 4 machines are just 4 machines bundled together. Therefore this bonus is 1/4 of the total bet. I’d advise all the people in the comments to learn how these machines work before calling this win unacceptable. 2k on a 10$ bet is more than adequate.
Yeah, I would have expected much more on a $40 bet too. A win is a win 😉. Thanks for the videos.
We always want more!!!
Really only 10 dollar bet because it's wonder 4
Hi did use your player card?
That was the best choice by 40$ 160 is logic
No future no long stack would be good option
That was awesomely fantastic.
Thank you
its mind blowing some times how you get so many free games with big bets and win nothing then some one bets $1 gets 10 free games and wins more lol
Lol. I know! It's so frustrating!!!
Li
@@afg4lipe bb .
Yes I hate that
That's a crazy amount of free games..Congrats on that nice hand pay jackpot.. Some bonus have a lot no win spins.. Triple Fortune Dragon does that a lot..
Thanks for the tip--- we won't play that one =)
That guy is to salty lol be happy man, either way you're winning so find the joy in that.
Hello Lady Luck Good Luck this Sunday💯💰💰💰👍✌
Hey girl hey🥂
Nice !!! Now I better go to bed .... it’s 3:40 am !!!!!
When it's like that, you got to hit that stop button a few times.
Yes I agree. Hit stop button a few times to reset the algorithm.
Good choice I’m taking the games over the 40 games I play this game a lot never ever do I choose anything but games I’ve had as many as 900 + It may work once in a while but as long as I’ve been playing it I’ve never seen anybody hit it on that 40 when they’ve won over 100 games or any game for that matter...Good hit guys congrats
Thank you
Great video
THank you so muhc!
Take a deep breath... 2K win is a nice win, better then you play it all down without a win ;)
On that exact machine, the same $40 bet playing Buffalo I got 6K line hit few months back.
Always take the super spins
I love it when Math experts like HUBBY see they were wrong about an amount. It even made him just guess on another number and you said CLOSE LOL Congrats on the Handie!! As always Good luck & I keep you both in my thoughts & prayers.
Haha. Me too! This machine is strange since it doesn't show the equation below before it displays the win so he was blindly guessing at all times! 🤣
Thanks for the video...
I don’t play those multi-games that much. But when you was betting 40.00 was each game worth 10.00 each since it was 4 games? I was just confused when people were saying for a 40.00 bet it didn’t pay well. I was thinking for a 10.00 bet it paid good. Yes it was 40.00 total, I was just trying to understand the games. I’ve had times I had free spins and barely won anything. Your videos are fun to watch.
What is the IRL background you have on your videos? Love the vids
Lol 😆 I know how he feels ! I picked the bulk games too and felt jipped ! However it’s really a 10.00 bet cause the 40 is split between the 4 screens.
Haha! Yep! Such a mean game!
Gr8 video..mi wife said it should of have u at least 13gz..I agree..we luv ya videos..
I wish!!!!!👌
Its matter of luck i won last year..tell i lost it all these few months..ill keep trying tell win ..you giving me motivation to play agian aft quit ❤
Wow I can’t believe 160 spins only paid that much should’ve been way more then that
My thoughts exactly
Correct me if I'm wrong, but $40 bet means nothing in bonus, because its 1/4 of that... $2k on $10bet isn't bad.
As an Avid rhino charge slot player next time I would advise you to pick the lower amount of free spins because he Stomps and does all kinds of weird stuff a lot more during the lower amount of free spins
Thank you for letting me know!! Will do it next time.
@@LadyLuckHQ ya that game is wierd lol i Learned my lesson with bigger amount of free spins in thst game real quick
Wow that sucked! So many spins on such a high bet and only 2 grand! I would of been pissed!!!!!
We all wish it was more
I like that game. I got almost 700 games on it and hit for $2,000 on a bet of $1.60
How long did that take to complete. 3-5 hours. I had a full screen of the gold rhino on one of the four. I got 480 spin but I chose the 120 spin. Took at least close to 30 min.
Technically you are betting $10 per screen, if it was 1 screen only then yes it is a $40 bet. Therefore, 2K win on 10 dollars is pretty good. I know there was 160 games but you are lucky if you get
10% good spins which works out to 16 mid to max pays
I guess when you look at it that way---- THANKS for pointing that out!
what a snoozer.. lol nice win tho
Have a good chuckle on this story: Last year my SO was getting tired and ready to retire to our room but decided to use up a $3 TITO. He bet only 3 games for $1.05 and got a full screen of rhinos (multiple re-triggers included, for 596 games)! It took a full hour to conclude the bonus and he only cashed out with a little over $200! But, it was great entertainment.
At around $1700 won the machine appeared to come to its senses and stopped giving away free money. Was there a re-trigger available in that bonus game? If there was, odd that it never went off in 160 spins. And (quick math) 2000 won on 160 $40-equivalent spins works out to a $2000 return on a $6400 investment, less than 1:3. But since the actual investment was $40 the return was 50:1 which is nothing to sneeze at but not earth shattering either. IOW... looks great in theory but the math says “yawn.”
I had 804 free spins on the penny ones, I was making at 10 per bet it was so disappointing I only won 2789 it was awful lol ,all the workers were watching said they had never saw that many spins ,of course all towers were open it was just crazy !!! Yes I have photos to prove it ,just in case lol ! Good luck to you always
Wow I think I got about 250 for 4 dollar bet on this. It was around that but I have not played it since. Most spins was a waste lol. Still cool to get it on very first 40 dollar spin lol
I cant see you guys playing that game again for a long while....hahaha.....good win though....
Lol you might be right!
Hey ladyluck I know you have the same phone like me. Google pixel and I hate the Notch. There is a way to hide it. It's easy just go to (about phone) and click on (build numbed) 3 times and then you gonna get (developer option) and then look for (display cutout) and then there is an option that says. Hide. And you all set. Thank me later lol. Sorry is that I hate notches. Just throwing it out there in case you don't like the Notch
Pandita Gomez niceee
Next time you guys should just got the 'brake' and force stop the frames.....perhaps after the first 20th dead spins....do or die 'turbo' game....anyway it's still awesome....CHAYOK!!!! 🇲🇾
Actually Francine, I was playing the Ying Yang game and I got three hundred free games, which is un heard of at Planet Hollywood, it took me 2 hours to complete and I ended up walking away with 1000 dollars
Wow 2 hours!!!
What were you playing .88 cents a spin?
@@LadyLuckHQ yea two hours , i kept getting re triggers hahahaha i was like really!!! best fun I have had all year
@@Akho21570 i forgot but it must have been alot to get three hundred spins
RIP TO MY HEADPHONES 🎧 YOU OWE ME A NEW PAIR LOL 😂
Hahaha. Sorry!
I like playing wild Panda in the 4 screen
Betting 40$ i would have expected alot more than 2k from 160 freespins. However 2k is alot of money, congrats👍😁
Agreed!! I was expecting $10k+!
I had the same at $24 but picked the super bonus at 40 spins. It re-triggered 2x and I ended up with 120 spins. It paid out 3k+
Hey lady luck . Have you and the hubby ever thought about coming back to Michigan and playing some casinos there? There is a nice one in New Buffalo Michigan four winds casino. And they do allow recording and live play. At least they have with other channels that have been there.
Hey Bill! We'd love to come there. I've not networked with the executives there but I definitely will. Good game selection and good high limit room?
@@LadyLuckHQ I think they do. But it's my personal opinion lol. I think you guys would really enjoy it there. You guys can check out their website add Facebook page and then make a decision from there. I know some other channels have had successful group pulls ect... I'm actually going there Friday I can say something to my host. I'm not sure how all that worksif you guys contact them or if they contact you lol. Above my paygrade lol
that was excellent! lot of people can"t get a quarter of that.
I hear ya!
I dont understand why didn't yall fast spin to break up the timing. Im just trying to learn and understand? Yall are amazing thank you for sharing everything that you create!!
This should of bin at least 10gs!!
Agreed!
I love your slot videos but it seems lately there are too many commercials and now double commercials. I understand the monetizing of the videos but I feel it takes away from the quality and suspense.
Poor choice of that guy , you should try 40 free games ..
Good luck!!
Next time 😃
How do I send you my JACKPOT ! I was playing mighty cash because of you !! OMG I JUST HIT 11K on my 5th spin got free games & GRAND DROPPED DOWN INSTANTLY!
Omg omg omg!!! Congratulations 🤑🤑🤑🤑 ladyluckhqslots AT G MAIL DOT COM.
Chayla Lenae post it on your channel
How much were you betting
Brian Zubkousky $2.00 on 5c
marcusinHD I will !
the bonus is on $10 bet since $40 i for 4 screens
I think 2000$ on a 10$ bet is pretty decent. It’s 40$ bet overall but that’s 10$ per screen/game. With 160 games tho it could have been more but it can always be more.
Congratulations
Thanks Anna
No doesn’t matter which feature you pick, it’s already predetermined what you’ll be paid the second you get that bonus.
Good luck ma'am~~~~
Do you always win like that, Lady Luck? That was an easy $1600 (if you cashed out the remainder of your original $1000 plus those winnings, minus original investment). Very nice! I'm not quite as lucky.
More losses than wins typically but sometimes I get lucky on these machines and make a small profit!
Awesome!
Thank you!
$2000 really?!!! and 160 free games🤯. My husband played the buffalos and were betting $15.00 and won $18,000.00. I for sure thought you were gonna get way more than that. And your betting $40🤦🏽♀️ I would’ve been hella salty.
Slot Machines can be so unpredictable... i wish this would of been bigger...
I had a FULL screen of the gold rhino and they give me 480 spin but I chose 120 spin. I wonder if I would have gotten more if I picked the 480 spin.