I did the layout and installation by studying the on line videos Husqvarna had on the web th-cam.com/users/postUgkx2KDztGvdU79XTmlqIMSUyPq8CjprGJOR also recommended it When I started the unit it stated it would take a few days to learn all the spots in the yard. So I thought it was just finding the areas till I noticed it was cutting. It is so quite you don't know it is cutting.
Thanks for taking the and putting together such a complete and easy to see and understand comparison video. As usual you knocked it out of the park with this video.
It's obvious that the Ambrogio is better engineered and sturdy, with fewer moving parts, durable materials and practical features. Now, we wish to know how well each works in the real world (speed, wet performance, evenness of cut, damage, accuracy of tracking), reliability (and ease of repairs), and relative cost of replacement parts.
Judging by the comments, not only Russia can learn from your videos! Thank you for the video! As always, everything is clear and detailed! Best regards from Russia!!!
Thank you very much for this very comprehensive and detailed comparison between these two models / brands. It really helps in understanding some major differences between models, that you definitely don't capture when ready the technical data sheets or user manuals. It looks like my technical background always requests in depth analysis when making choices, your explanation and video completely satisfies my curiosity and technical expectations. Very good job!! Cheers from south of France.
AS some one who Owns a Husqvarna 46 inch Rider (Until my New EGO Z6 ZTR 52'' gets here) I was actually surprised at how much Better the Ambrogio Robot brand was, I never heard of that Brand Before here in the states........BUT as a Mechanic & Rancher, I can see The Attention to detail on the lil robot vs the Big one & alot of those people who Commented seem to be Lashing out at you Favoring the better mower to me sound Like Karen's whom are BUTT HURT Bc you didn't pick the 1 they like or own. TO those whom are BUTT HURT about the Lil one, He is SPOT on about the Quality, Build, Repairability, engineering, the rear tire design and type of tires are also a Big deal... so those whom are complaining about blade distance , materials, etc ...I am guessing you own a Husqvarna and are bothered yours Got its ASS WHIPPED and HARD !!! I actually watched this video for over 2 hours and Paused it over 30x just to do my OWN research on parts, switches, the company, etc and I have "0" plans of Buying an Auto mower BC I live on a ranch of 1200 acres here in FL and we only use the 46' mower until my New Ego gets here to mow the 2.5 acres around the house thats fenced ( makes wife happy...lol). IN Short I have No plans to buy 1 of these But I have Friends whom always ask me about these type of Mowers & Which one would I recommend, Ego is working on a Robot ( dont ask how I know) BUT until thats available to the Public I could see me Recommending the Ambrogio IF the lil Guy was in the USA! Cow}:-o) EDIT: After writing all this I actually Emailed the company BC its 5 am there and they are not open yet.......lol Anywho.......I have sent them an Email about Bringing the Product to the States or Buying a few to Test and Just maybe Being a Sales Point /Distributor here in FL & the USA....The front Axle and how it is designed is NEXT Level when it comes to Consumer products & I was so Impressed with the AXLE design that it Kept Knawing away in my head about the Massive Differences between the 2 Units, I plan to bring some to Florida & USA if they will allow them to be exported ! The L400I deluxe might be a big seller here. Cow}:-o)
He is obviously more keen on the small mower. Using words like "simplified keyboard setup" and "much more compact" instead of "not as advanced keyboard setup" and "much more unsafe". Yes, the Husqvarnas blades are a long ways from the chassi edge. But that is for safety and safety only. No risk for pets, children or even an adult to get the paws and toes severed by the blades. The small mower seems very unsafe in that regard.
Also the blade is close enough to the edge where there’s much less follow up trimming to do. What’s the point of the automower if you have to go back behind and trim 6-8 inches on every border?
@@mowermagic No complaints about not reporting facts, you spent a lot of time going over the features of both. Watch the video again and see if you notice how you talk about the two. You clearly favor the Ambrogio. Favoring one or the other is human, but you should acknowledge your bias. One quick example, when discussing the inside, you mention the brushless blade motor on the Ambrogio and only call the Hus. motor the blade motor. - When specifically discussing the motors, you do mention brushless blade motor is a feature on both. Another quick example, you only hype up the Ah rating (in regards to the robot batteries) and do not talk about advantages of having higher voltage. - You mention power tools and nail it, but don't draw the correlation with its use in mowers. - Since its a robot mower and can mow anytime the parameters allow, it seems like there is an easy case for voltage being more important than Ah. The "law" does not equal safety; otherwise, once set, they would never require updating.
The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
Thank you so much. I'm a retired landscape contractor living in Hawaii and looking for one of these for when going behind my trusty Honda gas powered mower will no be a thing I do.. I've watched another video of yours comparing the Honda robot to the Ambrogio and was surprised by Hondas lack of concern for their own reputation in this field.. Thank you..or as we say Mahalo nui loa for your work
Great and detail review. I see that you more inclined to recommend Ambrogio, but here are mine pros and cons from my experience: 1) fixed blade are good if there's nevere ever any fallen branches, garden fruits, pine cones, toys or other objects on the lawn. And if there is - the disk will get bent or damaged really quick what will lead loss of sharpness (yellow or white lawn tops), vibration. You need to change that disc in time, or vibration will do some damage to the robot. Husqvarna blades will rotate around it's fixing bolts hitting objects preserving the blade motor and blades. 2) Mulching blade - fallen leafs during autumn season will be hard to collect wet porridge. 3) Why Husqvarna pushed blade 13 cm from the edge - safety first: the closer the blade from the edge, the easier to get cut. It's okay when there is no children, pets or human on the lawn, but still, there is no robot on the market, which can completely cut the edges. You still need to trim the edge it's 5 cm or it's 15 cm, or lay cobblestones perimeter line or etc. 4) Husqvarna 310 robot do not have to operate 24/7 to maintain 1000 m2 lawn, it's nonsense. 1000 m2 - 4 - 5 hours of pure blade motor working time is usually enough (which means 8-10 robot schedulle time). 5) Battery capacity - Ambrogio needs more capacity to reach it's docking station following perimeter (there might appear yellow marks on the route on corners). Husqvarna got guide wire, which is straight route to the station, that means it's less time to reach it. 6) Wide wheels - the more contact you make to your lawn, the more squeezed and bent down it will look, especially when the wheel will be full of dirt, grass or leaves it will work as an asphalt roller.
Don't tell people that Ambrogio needs 3Ah additional capacity comparing to husqvarna only because of the return-to-station system. It is not that much energy consuming plus you can program Ambrogio to return to station more efficiently than following the perimeter wire only. 2Ah battery capacity for a 1600m2 robot is a joke. How many times a day the robot needs to recharge to actually mow such large area? What is the usual lifetime of such a highly-exploited battery considering that the lifetime of Li-Ion cells is highly dependent on recharge cycles? Apparently you never installed any Ambrogio robot so you don't speak from your own experience.
Thanks, yet again an excellent comparison video, very comprehensive. Without doubt they outcompete popular brands but why is the Ambogio range hardly ever included in the multiple ‘ Best Automower s 2021’? After extensive research surprised to find little positive feedback from users and dealers. These look like good sturdy well endowed machines and the fact that John Lewis are happy to market them, says a lot. Are the Elites a new generation waiting to be assessed properly. Baffled??
As an engineer and tester for more than 20 years, I'm sad to see this clearly a sponsored review. And this comment will be removed by MM. Put them on real-world tests to prove tour statements! Here are just a couple of examples of the clearly biased statements: -Blades: Biggest issue for mower blades is hitting stones, not wear. Ambrogio has a one-piece blade that costs a lot to replace, not to mention the Husqvarna has a shield and blades that fall back when hitting something hard. -Wheels: Soft rubber wheels have indeed better traction on a steel plate, but when is that feature needed? Also, you can get wheels with even bigger spikes to the Husqvarna.
Body: No mention about how easily Ambogio will get snagged in bushes with all those downwards spikes and the hook-like front bumper. The Husqvarna shell is designed for not attaching anywhere. PCB:s: If the electronics need to take into account heat dissipation, they need more power and therefore forced to put a larger battery. Relays are very old architecture, not even RC cars that are using more than 800A current need relays. Note also that the Husqvarna PCB is protected from moisture, where the Ambrogio is not.
Interesting review. Sadly, the reviewer is clearly favorizing Amrogios design as an advantage in most aspects and doesn’t mention HQ’s design advantages where relevant. For example, the large body giving higher security if a hand is pulled in from the side. And the colission techniques explained as Ambrogio are having 3 different methods as HQ has one. In reality HQ also have drive-current monitoring, etc. According to review, Ambrogio should have outstanding capabilities when it comes to getting grip in slopes, following pits on the ground, efficiency, durability. I guess we need a real-life test to prove if that is true in reality. Are wide but small wheels better than large and thin in all environments? HQ has narrow wheels for a reason, not to flattening the grass? Are the flexible front wheels (allowing cutter to dig down into pits) giving better cut result and less risk of getting stuck compared to HQ’s “stiff” body? How can the knifes of Ambrogio hold up for a whole season when HQ cannot? Both are rotating stainless metal knifes? Another question, are you sure HQ really lack accelerometer? Even my cheap china cutter has it. Looking forward to more tests :)
Narrow wheels mean putting more pressure to the grass, so flattening effect should last shorter. However, I don't think it's among main reasons a producer chooses narrow or wide wheels.
@@prczyzew I replaced my ambrogio fat wheels with thin 3d printed spiky ones, exactly because of the flattening. With the small cutting disc and wide tires, especially on a stressed lawn, it did more flattening than mowing. The spiked wheels work much better on my lawn, far less flattening, and more traction on wet grass. They do suck on pavement and I needed to add some rubber to the charging dock.
Review is done purely on actual data - real data, like size for size, feature for feature. We report only what we see. The facts speak for themselves. Thanks for looking.
@@nickgarrett26 I'm in the market for a mower, and its clear that the build quality of the Ambrogio is better. The question no-one has mentioned is whether or not the support exists for the ambrogio in the same way as the HQ. Or whether one simply does a better job. Ambrogios online representation is disgusting and frustrating - is this representative of their support. I have a feeling this is to do with being based in italy.
Have been an owner of a husqvarna 310 for 4 years. It has never failed, Mowing through heavy wind, and rain faithfully retuning to its basestation- My lawn is uneven, and it do lift its frontwheels, but have never lost traction even in hilly terrain, never. You fail to tell the viewer about the weight distribution. It is 80/20, and will never lose traction. The tall diameter will make it pass on small holes, roots and do collect minimal amounts of cut/uncut grass. The ambrogio on the other hand, small wide wheels and rubber tires, collecting grass, dropping into small potholes, a pivoting front axle allowing for the lawn to get scalped. Rubberwheels do not age wery well either. If rain or moist condition, probably flattening half of the lawn with its wide wheels, before it tries to cut the grass. I guess there will be lots of left over patches, while wheels and axles collects enormous amouts of grass. Maybe it is a good thing with that big battery, if it ever manages a whole summer vacation without beeing serviced. The more complex constrution have to prove itself. Often the simplest things are the most reliable. And what about the frontwheels acting as a bumper, trouble.
Your comments on the Ambrogio is just not accurate at all. Everything you try to point out as a problem is a none issue. I wish people would keep their mouth shut when it comes to commenting on stuff they know nothing about.
@@Birdfeeder795 What I do know is, that Husqvarna is reliable, and never get stuck. It has done a great job, and still do. All my neighbours have bought the same one. No problem or reliability issues. I can tell that this ambrogio will get stuck in my garden.
We’re all entitled to our opinions…. personally I don’t like your reviews as you try to suggest you’re making fair comparisons, but you are clearly very very biased! I don’t personally own a Husqvarna Automower, but have looked after one for a local business for over six months, handling it on a daily basis (used in an area open to the public so needs to be taken in every evening), and like most Swedish products I’ve come in to contact with over the years, it is designed perfectly to do the job and does the job perfectly, not over engineered and certainly not under engineered, just perfect! A problem with the wheels on paths etc? None what so ever! Pathetic suggesting they may slip on paths. The blades on the Husqvarna are perfect, admittedly the Husq endurance blades are better than the standard ones, think Husq suggest they be replaced every 6 to 8 weeks? But when I started looking after the machine the blades hadn’t been replaced for a year, the blades admittedly weren’t in great condition, but the glass looked perfect! I could literally go through almost every point and comparison you’ve made and demonstrate that I prefer the Husqvarna design, oh, and yes, I forgot to mention and know you’re not going to like me saying it, but having spent 15 years of my career as a precision Engineer and toolmaker and a further 20 years in electro-mechanical Engineering services and technical support, I consider myself a very good judge of what’s a good product and what could benefit from some design / manufacture improvement.
We are glad you are happy with your Husqvarna. The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
Though you seem partial to the smaller unit, you presentation of the feature fu cations is impressive. Visually, the Husqvarna is not signifantly larger than the smaller unit, but I like what I see so far of the Ambrosia. Will take a closer look at the Ambrosia....based on your pitch. Good job! My lawn
This is soooo helpful. I'm watching all your videos and now trying to work out which of the Ambrogios will be the best for my acre and a half here in France ... !
Interesting video, but it seemed to meet like it's a part one. Dissembling the devices and looking in detail how they are build is great, but it can't replace practical test.
Correct, because the Ambrogio is terrible at cutting grass... It's best to think of Ambrogio as a lawn polishing tool because it can only trim a tiny 1/16 off the top of the grass
Incorrect it is not terrible. The small cutting is by design - once the grass is the required level it always stays the same. There is no need to cut off more as it mows every other day.
Update after 1 year owning the Ambrogio. The machine itself probably works fine but the app is so bad that I have not been able to use it this year. My reseller cannot help me since the only support they get from the manifacturer is to “reinstall and update the app”. All problems started after Ambrogio introduced their “new and inproved app” which turned my machine into a €1200,- costing brick. I cannot connect to it at all and there is no possobility to programm the machine with the buttons on the machine. I have bought a pertrol engined Honda without an app which I should have done in the first place. Nevertheless, still thankful for your advice, this might be something you want to know.
I have ambrogio bx4 model,when it returns to the charging station it goes off auto mode so I need to press the on button again to get it to go back out when it's meant to,when I do this it will then go out and cut when it's meant to but won't if I don't press the on/off button.any ideas how I fix it?
Interesting to see the difference in shell... The wheel grip point - I'd be much more interested to see how that works on grass than on steel and concrete. I don't mow steel or concrete very often
We don't mow steel or concrete very often either! But for the sake of this video, where we delve into the insides of the machines and their technical specification - we decided to film in our workshop.
The Twenty Elite S+ would be ideal for that. It'll mow up to 1300m2 so you would have plenty of spare capacity from it to cope even when the grass growth is much quicker.
Fantastic video thanks... I was thinking of buying a Husqvarna .... Well not now, not after seeing how cheap the thing is built!! And they are up to 4 grand for that rubbish. Thank you...
So if i buy the Ambrogio Twenty Deluxe and change the battery to a higher capacity than it would work like the elite or elite +? Same print and motors etc? Thx
We'd love to say that it was that simple, but it's not. Both the Twenty Deluxe and Twenty Elite use the same battery, the additional area coverage mainly comes from the addition of the GPS and connect module for GPS enhanced navigation to optimise where it mows in the lawn and reduce the time it takes to return to dock with GPS return home. It also uses a different software to work alongside this so you can't just add in the GPS antenna and expect it to work. The Twenty Elite S+ is the same as the Twenty Elite with a larger battery and algorithms tweaked to match this - even if it was as simple as getting a bigger battery, it would be more cost effective to buy the high capacity model than try to upgrade it yourself though. As for the motors etc - yes generally all other components are the same across the different Twenty models. I hope that helps.
The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
Great video and compassion! It would be interesting to know if a hasqvarna pro is different in build quality! I was considering a husqvarna but after this I have changed my mind. Thanks again!
The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
Hello, I am in market for robot. In my country they mostly sell Ambrogio L35 DELUXE. Do you have a detailed review on that robot as well? Is it newer version than TWENTY 25 ELITE?
Did the store run out of the long drill bits? That 24 inch one you have doesn't seem quite long enough. It always seems cloudy and rainy when I watch videos from England. You are very knowledgeable. I learned a lot from your video. Nice job
Center of mass in HQV is close to rear wheels. Both rear wheels have always contact with grass. It can be seen on video. When mower drives itself, there is no "magic hand", that pushes front wheel down and rear wheel up...
Wonderful review. You measured the minimum space between the edge and the blade for the 310 (15cm), but not for the Ambrogio. That would be nice to have. Thank you sir!
Check out our Honda Miimo review. th-cam.com/video/S8IOOXVpLp8/w-d-xo.html The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
@@mowermagic this is not Honda :D this is Bosch :D Honda slowly withdraws from this model :D and finally -> three new models appear in 2023 from Honda Miimo :)
Could I ask what are your thoughts about comparison the L35B vs the Twenty Elite? I have 300 squares meters garden that would be divided in four zones, due to the garden’s layout. There is a very small area with a steep 2 m strip. I would like to buy the Twenty but the vendor says the L35B, due to its dual battery will last longer and operate more efficiently . What is your opinion about the two devices? Thank you so much for the help
This is an awesome video, thank you very much for this detailed review, really enjoyed it! Could you please explain then what is the difference between Automower 310 and Automower 315 if they have so many identical details? Thank you
You can talk all day long about specs , but we want to see them do the actual work they claim to do! 95% + of the time on paper looks good , but in practice doesn’t !
Thanks for a great in depth video. It’s opened my eyes. My garden is about 1700m2. Which robot mower would you recommend? I was looking at getting a husqvarna 430x but this has made me think of maybe considering some others I don’t know about.
Hi, is there a robotic mower that is just a bump mower and does not have a guide/boundary wire ? i had a worx Landroid M but it just kept going out side the boundary and getting stuck so sent it back, the lawn is surrounded on all side. Dean
Bias review....clearly you guys dont have the husqvarna agency and are a bit sore about it. I have never had an issue with HV over 5 years. why wasnt there one negative about the Ambrogio? 1st thing I see is multiple stops as front wheels will hit small objects and trigger change of direction. Dont be fooled folks, go with the company with experience, Husqvarna all the way!!!
Not sore at all. All points made are factual and are based on real information. We compare size for size, weight for weight, feature for feature. The facts speak for themselves. We only report what we see.
Hi, Jonathan. How does the twenty manage on slopes? I have around 45% slope in the lawn, I know it's rated for this, but does it live up to it's claim? Any advice appreciated. Thanks
Hi Liam. Ambrogio are very true to their specifications. The wide grippy wheels on this platform really do a fantastic job so it does keep grip even if the conditions aren't perfect. If you're right on the limit we'd always suggest getting some advice from a local dealer too so a real world judgement can be made based on the slope and other conditions around it. If you local to us we're happy to come and do a lawn survey and bring a unit to test on the sloped are (we can test without a wire needing to be installed) just to give you confidence in the slope handling. If you're not local but in the UK, we can point you to a local dealer who can help too.
I'm a dealer, and i can tell you that the L20 totally lives up to their specifications. It can do much more too, but if you stay in the guidelines you won't have any problem. Just make sure the slopes aren't steep at the outside boundary, or you might have some problems.
Great review! Just a small correction: The L20 wheel motor heatsink isn't in fact a heatsink, is a weight. the machine have such great floatation with those wheels that in some kind of grass tend to float on it. So they needed some more weight on the wheels.
Was about to make a comment about how you much you were hating on the husky. I changed my mind after 5 minutes. Once you pulled the battery and motors, it's pretty obvious the husky is cheaply made and not worth the price. FYI IOS, not ISO. MOLEX, not molenex. just because the battery is only a 2 Ah battery, it doesn't mean that's all the current it will output. many single cell Li-Po (just one [of the many] cylinder[s] inside the black shrink wrap) can and are designed to sink 30 Amps shorted and be just fine. In the front of the Ambrogio it appears there is a lidar sensor (or plain IR distance sensor) as I can clearly see two lenses behind IR plastic. You didn't mention this? You did not mention if there was conformal coating in the Ambrogio main board. The coating was clearly visible on the husky with the light glare. Bigger mowers don't necessarily require a bigger processor, just more power and bigger mowers. Mowers with more bells and whistles do: GPS, color screens, WiFi, WLAN, and more sensors require more computing. Resettable circuit breakers or PTC fuses are nice as you don't need to replace anything, and I would prefer to see that. The addition of an SD card is concerning -- they are easily corrupted, and I would have preferred to see a eeprom, mmc, or garden gnome with a notepad instead. Antennas and network chips would have been nice to see closer. My nitpicking aside, this was a great video! I like to see people actually take the time to open it up and show the electrical and mechanical workings. Thanks.
The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
I have the old L15 (2019 model) and its virtually identical to the 2020 L15 and the twenty deluxe, except for the smaller blade and the blade guard (the new L15 has the same one as the twenty). Motors, battery electronics, wheels, chassis, all 100% the same. Seriously, afaict the only difference is the color and of course, packaging (perimeter wire). Only the twenty elite plus is "different", it has a 2P battery and thus twice the capacity. Since its just a bunch of 18650s in series, no BMS, no balance leads even, feel free to upgrade your own battery, which is what Im doing. Oh, and I guess its possible in theory they reduced the speed on the L15 compared to the 20, which might explain the claimed difference in lawn size they can cover. But I doubt that even, for sure the motors and electronics are the exact same.
Great tech:/spec: review not "nerdi" at all especially if your interested in product purchase, my takeaway from this is a classic case of one - built down to a price, the other built up to a standard, from an engineering perspective you can certainly tell when the accountants call the shots. Cheers Glenn.
je coupe ma pelouse depuis 2017 avec un Husqvarna 315, et j'en suis très content. Mes petits enfants peuvent jouer autour, et le système de lames rétractables et loin des bords est pour moi un gage de sécurité: les lames fixes à 3 cm des bords me feraient un peu peur car les enfants sont attirés par ces petits robots !! Le robot passe partout, et une grosse pente à monter ne l'arrête jamais, même sur herbe mouillée : le grip est excellent . Les lames , je ne les change que tous les ans car elles sont réversibles à mi saison, et très résistantes de par leur rétractabilité. Bref, ce robot est un "Plug and play" remarquable de fiabilité et d'endurance.
Nous sommes très heureux que vous soyez satisfait du Husqvarna. Veuillez noter que la lame de l'Ambrogio est entièrement conforme à toutes les lois et réglementations. C'est sûr. Leurs modèles fonctionnent également sur les pentes, certains mieux que d'autres.
The more voltage you have, the less amps are needed to get the same work done. The correct way to compare the amount of energi in batteries, and how its done in ex. electrical vehicles), is to compare how many Watthours (Wh) they have. Watt = Voltage * Amps = it gives away how much energi truly can be stored in it. As an example: A 100 AH 1 Volt battery is only 1/10th of a 10 Ah 100 Volt battery :-)
It's a fair point. Trying to find the balance between making things simple to follow and still techy enough is always a bit tough. Comparing the Watthours the Husqvarna battery is 37.8Wh, the Ambrogio battery in the Twenty Deluxe and Elite (2.5Ah) are 65Wh and the 5Ah battery in the Twenty Elite S+ is 130Wh so they definitely have the edge on battery capacity.
@@mowermagic Its worth pointing out the ambrogio batteries have no balance lead, and no temp sensor. Its just 7 18650 cells in series. 7S with no balanced charging is not a great idea and a temp sensor should also be included. Its my only gripe with their design, everything else seems overengineered. The HQ seems to have enough leads for balancing, not sure if they monitor temps.
Hi Christopher, Wiper mowers are manufactured by Ambrogio so they are made in the same factory but exact specifications / features may vary. If you've got a local dealer it'd be worth going to see them and seeing the quality first hand.
I don't want to have kids with curious toes playing in garden that is maintained by Ambrogio - gap between shell and blade seems to quite small. And yes I'm happy Automower customer
If my lawn was flat like a concrete patio, these mowers would perform fine. But who has such flat and level lawns? (we grow flowers in our garden, keep grass in the lawn) I will be top dressing as i do want to move towards a robotic mower and most are like these, not designed for all terrain real world lawns.
Na, it handles uneven ground quite well, my lawn has more in common with a pasture than a golf court, full of holes and hills, pots and trees, the little ambrogio has no problems with that. Of course, flower beds and the like, you just have to put the perimeter wire around them.
Just by mentioning the Ambrosio company being owned by Ducati, completely turned my off from buying that brand of robot. I would expect it to be at the dealer half of the summer getting fixed. The Italian manufacturers make nice advanced stuff, but it's often somewhat fragile (Ducati, Fiat, Alfa Romeo...)
quite a silly comment especially if you watched the video. The ambrogios are actually built like tanks and completely over engineered, whereas the husqvarna is a pile of cheap plastic. Ambrogio also isnt owned by ducati, but by Zucchetti
I have the Ambrogio and very disappointed with how it cuts grass. Its only be capable of trimming 1/16 of an inch and if a blade of grass is slightly longer it just pushes it over. Bottom line. I ts a very ineffective mower and takes many-many passes over the same area to achieve the final cut. I bought Ambrogio because of this 📸 and that was my mistake.
You need to just let the mower do its work - don't watch it. If at the end of a cycle the grass is cut is does not matter how many times it goes over the same area. Once it is short, it will then stay short.
WOW! WHERE WHERE YOUR VIDEO 3 hours ago!! I have been trying to really break down the differences between robots. I have watched SO many useless robot videos. The ambrogio is a CLEAR winner. THANKYOU. Ambrogios online representation is a MASSIVE letdown!
If you call comparing each electro mechanical component irrelevant, so be it - all these components make up the machine and are ultimately very important.
Wow... talk about grip of the wheels and not the diamater? The diameter is the basis for going over bumps... what are you more concertned about, bumps or it's ability to drive on stainless steel?
The grip is spoken about in the context of the machine being able to drive over undulating or steep sloping ground - if it can't grip it can't move and will get stuck. Pretty straightforward.
Guide wires are great. Otherwise the robot must follow the perimeter wire all around the area (which can be several hundreds of meters) until it reaches the charging station.
That is not true... Ambrogio has its own mode, V-meter, allowing quicker returns. I won't go into details here, but an experienced dealer will know how to use it smartly and reduce return times drastically. Also, Ambrogio allows for placing additional 'marks' by laying the cable in specific shapes to tell the robots that they can do shortcuts. Moreover, if an Ambrogio robot is equipped a with a GPS module you can program it to use its geolocation to quickly go to the station through the center of a lawn which is much more efficient than laying 100m of guide-wire (in case of very large lawns). Essentialy, with Ambrogio you get much more flexibility. For example, you can make a robot to go through a 40 cm passages to reach another lawn which is not possible in Husqvarna as you won't fit three cables in such a narrow space - also 315x won't physically fit in such passage as it is almost two times wider than Ambrogio Twenty.
You are Swedish and obviously favor the Husqvarna because it’s a Swedish machine. The Husqvarna is slow and has to charge way too often compared to other units.
@@Birdfeeder795 Automower's charging station search times are short thanks to guide wire(s), therefore smaller battery gets the same job done. Ambrogio uses perimeter wire to search charging station, therefore bigger battery is needed to lengthen mowing time and decrease need to find charging station so frequently.
@@ouherizon That is just not the case. The Ambrogio cut way more grass in 1 hour that an HQ. The Ambrogio can work for way longer than the HQ thus completing the task way quicker. Just do the math on how long a HQ 310 will spend mowing a 1000 square meter lawn vs an Ambrogio Twenty Elite. It speaks for itself.
@@Birdfeeder795 I agree, Ambrogio cuts grass more efficiently (especially longer grass), thanks to higher rpm (4200 vs 2300) and fixed blades, but as always, there are some downsides to this. First, energy consumption is higher, therefore Ambrogio needs a bigger battery (25.9 V x 2.5 Ah = 64.75 Wh vs 18.5 V x 2 Ah = 37 Wh). Secondly, fixed blade is more dangerous to user and objects lying on the ground, since blade does not retract, when colliding with an object. Thirdly, Ambrogio blades produce more audible noise. Ambrogio might get the job done faster, but you don’t take into consideration charging station average search time difference, the fact that Ambrogio’s two hour average mowing duration is achieved, when grass has been mostly cut. The real comparison should be done in the same area, on the same conditions, not on the paper. Also, I find it hard to believe Ambrogio 4200 rpm motor produces only one dB(A) higher audible noise, than Husqvarna 2300 rpm (59 vs 58 dB(A)).
Video sponserd by Armbogio. Husqvarna is just so much better. But this test sais that it fails in every way. Weird since it's by far the best real life robotic mower.
Incorrect, not "sponsored" by anyone. The tests we do hold up components and compare them. If Husqvarna component is better it will be shown as better. You do not mention specifically why Husqvarna is better. Better wheels? Better motors? Our test speak for themselves.
I did the layout and installation by studying the on line videos Husqvarna had on the web th-cam.com/users/postUgkx2KDztGvdU79XTmlqIMSUyPq8CjprGJOR also recommended it When I started the unit it stated it would take a few days to learn all the spots in the yard. So I thought it was just finding the areas till I noticed it was cutting. It is so quite you don't know it is cutting.
Thanks for taking the and putting together such a complete and easy to see and understand comparison video. As usual you knocked it out of the park with this video.
Thanks Jerry!
It's obvious that the Ambrogio is better engineered and sturdy, with fewer moving parts, durable materials and practical features. Now, we wish to know how well each works in the real world (speed, wet performance, evenness of cut, damage, accuracy of tracking), reliability (and ease of repairs), and relative cost of replacement parts.
Full professionalism. Highly appreciated.
Judging by the comments, not only Russia can learn from your videos!
Thank you for the video! As always, everything is clear and detailed!
Best regards from Russia!!!
Thanks. Glad it was useful.
An excellent factual, informative comparison of the two products.
Best comparison I have seen til now. Greetings from Germany
Finally a detailed comparison! There needs to be more like these online. Could you make a comparison of the cheap 300$ robot lawn mowers?
Thanks for publishing your great work !
Thank you very much for this very comprehensive and detailed comparison between these two models / brands. It really helps in understanding some major differences between models, that you definitely don't capture when ready the technical data sheets or user manuals. It looks like my technical background always requests in depth analysis when making choices, your explanation and video completely satisfies my curiosity and technical expectations. Very good job!! Cheers from south of France.
Very good detail video again john good stuff .
Great job, a very professional, exhaustive in every detail and selfexplanatory comparison of those products!!!!
AS some one who Owns a Husqvarna 46 inch Rider (Until my New EGO Z6 ZTR 52'' gets here) I was actually surprised at how much Better the Ambrogio Robot brand was, I never heard of that Brand Before here in the states........BUT as a Mechanic & Rancher, I can see The Attention to detail on the lil robot vs the Big one & alot of those people who Commented seem to be Lashing out at you Favoring the better mower to me sound Like Karen's whom are BUTT HURT Bc you didn't pick the 1 they like or own.
TO those whom are BUTT HURT about the Lil one, He is SPOT on about the Quality, Build, Repairability, engineering, the rear tire design and type of tires are also a Big deal... so those whom are complaining about blade distance , materials, etc ...I am guessing you own a Husqvarna and are bothered yours Got its ASS WHIPPED and HARD !!!
I actually watched this video for over 2 hours and Paused it over 30x just to do my OWN research on parts, switches, the company, etc and I have "0" plans of Buying an Auto mower BC I live on a ranch of 1200 acres here in FL and we only use the 46' mower until my New Ego gets here to mow the 2.5 acres around the house thats fenced ( makes wife happy...lol).
IN Short I have No plans to buy 1 of these But I have Friends whom always ask me about these type of Mowers & Which one would I recommend, Ego is working on a Robot ( dont ask how I know) BUT until thats available to the Public I could see me Recommending the Ambrogio IF the lil Guy was in the USA! Cow}:-o)
EDIT: After writing all this I actually Emailed the company BC its 5 am there and they are not open yet.......lol Anywho.......I have sent them an Email about Bringing the Product to the States or Buying a few to Test and Just maybe Being a Sales Point /Distributor here in FL & the USA....The front Axle and how it is designed is NEXT Level when it comes to Consumer products & I was so Impressed with the AXLE design that it Kept Knawing away in my head about the Massive Differences between the 2 Units, I plan to bring some to Florida & USA if they will allow them to be exported ! The L400I deluxe might be a big seller here. Cow}:-o)
He is obviously more keen on the small mower. Using words like "simplified keyboard setup" and "much more compact" instead of "not as advanced keyboard setup" and "much more unsafe".
Yes, the Husqvarnas blades are a long ways from the chassi edge. But that is for safety and safety only. No risk for pets, children or even an adult to get the paws and toes severed by the blades.
The small mower seems very unsafe in that regard.
All comments are factual based on actual data. The Ambrogio blade is within the boundaries set by the law, so therefore is safe.
Also the blade is close enough to the edge where there’s much less follow up trimming to do. What’s the point of the automower if you have to go back behind and trim 6-8 inches on every border?
@@mowermagic No complaints about not reporting facts, you spent a lot of time going over the features of both. Watch the video again and see if you notice how you talk about the two.
You clearly favor the Ambrogio.
Favoring one or the other is human, but you should acknowledge your bias.
One quick example, when discussing the inside, you mention the brushless blade motor on the Ambrogio and only call the Hus. motor the blade motor.
- When specifically discussing the motors, you do mention brushless blade motor is a feature on both.
Another quick example, you only hype up the Ah rating (in regards to the robot batteries) and do not talk about advantages of having higher voltage.
- You mention power tools and nail it, but don't draw the correlation with its use in mowers.
- Since its a robot mower and can mow anytime the parameters allow, it seems like there is an easy case for voltage being more important than Ah.
The "law" does not equal safety; otherwise, once set, they would never require updating.
Superb detailed video on two Robotic Lawnmowers... thanks!!
WOW that was the most detailed electronics video I have ever seen! Great job Sir, it really seems the Ambrogio is a far superior mower to the Husky.
Great video, Jonathan! It is nice to learn that L20 has self-leveling, like the L250i and the 4.0/4.36 models!
Thanks for sharing. Top review. I'm waiting for my little ambrogio twenty deluxe. Your Video confirms my purchase decision. Kind regards from Germany
Honestly, say "facts" all you need but all I heard the whole time was "I dislike Husqvarna" 🤣
The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
Thank you so much. I'm a retired landscape contractor living in Hawaii and looking for one of these for when going behind my trusty Honda gas powered mower will no be a thing I do..
I've watched another video of yours comparing the Honda robot to the Ambrogio and was surprised by Hondas lack of concern for their own reputation in this field..
Thank you..or as we say
Mahalo nui loa for your work
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you. You are brilliant. I am not technical but I understand you very well.
Great and detail review. I see that you more inclined to recommend Ambrogio, but here are mine pros and cons from my experience: 1) fixed blade are good if there's nevere ever any fallen branches, garden fruits, pine cones, toys or other objects on the lawn. And if there is - the disk will get bent or damaged really quick what will lead loss of sharpness (yellow or white lawn tops), vibration. You need to change that disc in time, or vibration will do some damage to the robot. Husqvarna blades will rotate around it's fixing bolts hitting objects preserving the blade motor and blades. 2) Mulching blade - fallen leafs during autumn season will be hard to collect wet porridge. 3) Why Husqvarna pushed blade 13 cm from the edge - safety first: the closer the blade from the edge, the easier to get cut. It's okay when there is no children, pets or human on the lawn, but still, there is no robot on the market, which can completely cut the edges. You still need to trim the edge it's 5 cm or it's 15 cm, or lay cobblestones perimeter line or etc. 4) Husqvarna 310 robot do not have to operate 24/7 to maintain 1000 m2 lawn, it's nonsense. 1000 m2 - 4 - 5 hours of pure blade motor working time is usually enough (which means 8-10 robot schedulle time). 5) Battery capacity - Ambrogio needs more capacity to reach it's docking station following perimeter (there might appear yellow marks on the route on corners). Husqvarna got guide wire, which is straight route to the station, that means it's less time to reach it. 6) Wide wheels - the more contact you make to your lawn, the more squeezed and bent down it will look, especially when the wheel will be full of dirt, grass or leaves it will work as an asphalt roller.
Don't tell people that Ambrogio needs 3Ah additional capacity comparing to husqvarna only because of the return-to-station system. It is not that much energy consuming plus you can program Ambrogio to return to station more efficiently than following the perimeter wire only. 2Ah battery capacity for a 1600m2 robot is a joke. How many times a day the robot needs to recharge to actually mow such large area? What is the usual lifetime of such a highly-exploited battery considering that the lifetime of Li-Ion cells is highly dependent on recharge cycles? Apparently you never installed any Ambrogio robot so you don't speak from your own experience.
Thanks, yet again an excellent comparison video, very comprehensive. Without doubt they outcompete popular brands but why is the Ambogio range hardly ever included in the multiple ‘ Best Automower s 2021’?
After extensive research surprised to find little positive feedback from users and dealers. These look like good sturdy well endowed machines and the fact that John Lewis are happy to market them, says a lot. Are the Elites a new generation waiting to be assessed properly. Baffled??
As an engineer and tester for more than 20 years, I'm sad to see this clearly a sponsored review. And this comment will be removed by MM. Put them on real-world tests to prove tour statements!
Here are just a couple of examples of the clearly biased statements:
-Blades: Biggest issue for mower blades is hitting stones, not wear. Ambrogio has a one-piece blade that costs a lot to replace, not to mention the Husqvarna has a shield and blades that fall back when hitting something hard.
-Wheels: Soft rubber wheels have indeed better traction on a steel plate, but when is that feature needed? Also, you can get wheels with even bigger spikes to the Husqvarna.
Body: No mention about how easily Ambogio will get snagged in bushes with all those downwards spikes and the hook-like front bumper. The Husqvarna shell is designed for not attaching anywhere.
PCB:s: If the electronics need to take into account heat dissipation, they need more power and therefore forced to put a larger battery. Relays are very old architecture, not even RC cars that are using more than 800A current need relays. Note also that the Husqvarna PCB is protected from moisture, where the Ambrogio is not.
How much does cost
What’s it cost
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Ambrogio blade $59.99 compared to Automower blades can be bought a set of 30 for $9.75
THIS! More people should see your comment.
The big blade mangles small animals like frogs and pocupines.
Interesting review.
Sadly, the reviewer is clearly favorizing Amrogios design as an advantage in most aspects and doesn’t mention HQ’s design advantages where relevant. For example, the large body giving higher security if a hand is pulled in from the side. And the colission techniques explained as Ambrogio are having 3 different methods as HQ has one. In reality HQ also have drive-current monitoring, etc.
According to review, Ambrogio should have outstanding capabilities when it comes to getting grip in slopes, following pits on the ground, efficiency, durability. I guess we need a real-life test to prove if that is true in reality. Are wide but small wheels better than large and thin in all environments? HQ has narrow wheels for a reason, not to flattening the grass? Are the flexible front wheels (allowing cutter to dig down into pits) giving better cut result and less risk of getting stuck compared to HQ’s “stiff” body? How can the knifes of Ambrogio hold up for a whole season when HQ cannot? Both are rotating stainless metal knifes? Another question, are you sure HQ really lack accelerometer? Even my cheap china cutter has it.
Looking forward to more tests :)
Narrow wheels mean putting more pressure to the grass, so flattening effect should last shorter. However, I don't think it's among main reasons a producer chooses narrow or wide wheels.
@@prczyzew I replaced my ambrogio fat wheels with thin 3d printed spiky ones, exactly because of the flattening. With the small cutting disc and wide tires, especially on a stressed lawn, it did more flattening than mowing. The spiked wheels work much better on my lawn, far less flattening, and more traction on wet grass. They do suck on pavement and I needed to add some rubber to the charging dock.
Review is done purely on actual data - real data, like size for size, feature for feature. We report only what we see. The facts speak for themselves. Thanks for looking.
@@mowermagic man not to start an argument, but it’s clear to tell that this whole review leads to make HQ the lesser mower.
@@nickgarrett26 I'm in the market for a mower, and its clear that the build quality of the Ambrogio is better. The question no-one has mentioned is whether or not the support exists for the ambrogio in the same way as the HQ. Or whether one simply does a better job. Ambrogios online representation is disgusting and frustrating - is this representative of their support. I have a feeling this is to do with being based in italy.
Very interesting review. However I have one question. How is the design of cuttingprograms on the machines.
If the robot runs over something that's 25mm thick, i think the husqvarna design is good since the blade will lift also and not hit the object?
Great Video, thanks very much for sharing this is super helpful and very informative.
Wow! What a detailed review! Astonishing! My sincere compliments for such a great video! You got a new subscriber! (From Italy!)
Have been an owner of a husqvarna 310 for 4 years. It has never failed, Mowing through heavy wind, and rain faithfully retuning to its basestation- My lawn is uneven, and it do lift its frontwheels, but have never lost traction even in hilly terrain, never. You fail to tell the viewer about the weight distribution. It is 80/20, and will never lose traction. The tall diameter will make it pass on small holes, roots and do collect minimal amounts of cut/uncut grass. The ambrogio on the other hand, small wide wheels and rubber tires, collecting grass, dropping into small potholes, a pivoting front axle allowing for the lawn to get scalped. Rubberwheels do not age wery well either. If rain or moist condition, probably flattening half of the lawn with its wide wheels, before it tries to cut the grass. I guess there will be lots of left over patches, while wheels and axles collects enormous amouts of grass. Maybe it is a good thing with that big battery, if it ever manages a whole summer vacation without beeing serviced. The more complex constrution have to prove itself. Often the simplest things are the most reliable. And what about the frontwheels acting as a bumper, trouble.
We are so pleased you are happy with your machine. As already stated we report only facts.
I wish that I saw your comment before I purchased Ambrogio...
@@davidk2565His comments on the Ambrogio is utter bullshit.
Your comments on the Ambrogio is just not accurate at all. Everything you try to point out as a problem is a none issue. I wish people would keep their mouth shut when it comes to commenting on stuff they know nothing about.
@@Birdfeeder795
What I do know is, that Husqvarna is reliable, and never get stuck. It has done a great job, and still do. All my neighbours have bought the same one. No problem or reliability issues. I can tell that this ambrogio will get stuck in my garden.
We’re all entitled to our opinions…. personally I don’t like your reviews as you try to suggest you’re making fair comparisons, but you are clearly very very biased!
I don’t personally own a Husqvarna Automower, but have looked after one for a local business for over six months, handling it on a daily basis (used in an area open to the public so needs to be taken in every evening), and like most Swedish products I’ve come in to contact with over the years, it is designed perfectly to do the job and does the job perfectly, not over engineered and certainly not under engineered, just perfect!
A problem with the wheels on paths etc? None what so ever! Pathetic suggesting they may slip on paths.
The blades on the Husqvarna are perfect, admittedly the Husq endurance blades are better than the standard ones, think Husq suggest they be replaced every 6 to 8 weeks? But when I started looking after the machine the blades hadn’t been replaced for a year, the blades admittedly weren’t in great condition, but the glass looked perfect!
I could literally go through almost every point and comparison you’ve made and demonstrate that I prefer the Husqvarna design, oh, and yes, I forgot to mention and know you’re not going to like me saying it, but having spent 15 years of my career as a precision Engineer and toolmaker and a further 20 years in electro-mechanical Engineering services and technical support, I consider myself a very good judge of what’s a good product and what could benefit from some design / manufacture improvement.
We are glad you are happy with your Husqvarna. The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
Though you seem partial to the smaller unit, you presentation of the feature fu cations is impressive. Visually, the Husqvarna is not signifantly larger than the smaller unit, but I like what I see so far of the Ambrosia. Will take a closer look at the Ambrosia....based on your pitch. Good job! My lawn
Top Review! But... heatsink in the rearmotor is removebel and boy the Station is RED the Front/Black the Back cable😉
Great review of both battery mowers
This is soooo helpful. I'm watching all your videos and now trying to work out which of the Ambrogios will be the best for my acre and a half here in France ... !
You're so welcome!
Thanks for your comparison of those both mowers! Nice! It helps me to choose the "right" one ;)
Interesting video, but it seemed to meet like it's a part one. Dissembling the devices and looking in detail how they are build is great, but it can't replace practical test.
Correct, because the Ambrogio is terrible at cutting grass... It's best to think of Ambrogio as a lawn polishing tool because it can only trim a tiny 1/16 off the top of the grass
Incorrect it is not terrible. The small cutting is by design - once the grass is the required level it always stays the same. There is no need to cut off more as it mows every other day.
They are only selling Ambrogio!!! Could you please tell this in the beginning !!!
We report only on facts. Whether we sell one or both the facts of the matter are the same.
Beacause they are simply the best
Thank you!!
You're welcome!
Thanks a lot for this indepth review. It really helped to make an educated choice.
Glad it was helpful!
Update after 1 year owning the Ambrogio. The machine itself probably works fine but the app is so bad that I have not been able to use it this year. My reseller cannot help me since the only support they get from the manifacturer is to “reinstall and update the app”. All problems started after Ambrogio introduced their “new and inproved app” which turned my machine into a €1200,- costing brick. I cannot connect to it at all and there is no possobility to programm the machine with the buttons on the machine. I have bought a pertrol engined Honda without an app which I should have done in the first place. Nevertheless, still thankful for your advice, this might be something you want to know.
I have ambrogio bx4 model,when it returns to the charging station it goes off auto mode so I need to press the on button again to get it to go back out when it's meant to,when I do this it will then go out and cut when it's meant to but won't if I don't press the on/off button.any ideas how I fix it?
Excellent - in depth comparison. Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Interesting to see the difference in shell... The wheel grip point - I'd be much more interested to see how that works on grass than on steel and concrete. I don't mow steel or concrete very often
We don't mow steel or concrete very often either! But for the sake of this video, where we delve into the insides of the machines and their technical specification - we decided to film in our workshop.
Hi.In reality is the new Twenty Elite S+ good enough robot to easily handle 900m2 of no slope, flat grass? Or should i consider Elite 4.0? Thanks.
The Twenty Elite S+ would be ideal for that. It'll mow up to 1300m2 so you would have plenty of spare capacity from it to cope even when the grass growth is much quicker.
Thanks. And thank you for the amazing in depth video.
Great video. It would be Nice to see them in action side by side also.
One of the best and indepth comparisons I have ever seen. Well done
Thanks. Glad it was useful
Thanks
Fantastic video thanks... I was thinking of buying a Husqvarna .... Well not now, not after seeing how cheap the thing is built!! And they are up to 4 grand for that rubbish. Thank you...
So if i buy the Ambrogio Twenty Deluxe and change the battery to a higher capacity than it would work like the elite or elite +? Same print and motors etc? Thx
We'd love to say that it was that simple, but it's not. Both the Twenty Deluxe and Twenty Elite use the same battery, the additional area coverage mainly comes from the addition of the GPS and connect module for GPS enhanced navigation to optimise where it mows in the lawn and reduce the time it takes to return to dock with GPS return home. It also uses a different software to work alongside this so you can't just add in the GPS antenna and expect it to work. The Twenty Elite S+ is the same as the Twenty Elite with a larger battery and algorithms tweaked to match this - even if it was as simple as getting a bigger battery, it would be more cost effective to buy the high capacity model than try to upgrade it yourself though.
As for the motors etc - yes generally all other components are the same across the different Twenty models. I hope that helps.
@@mowermagic you are the best! #hero
@@mowermagic Yes, helped a lot. Thank you so much! 🙂
The L20 is only limited by the software
Yes there is bias to Ambrogio. But have you watched the “comparison” video made by Husqvarna? Where it drubbed 5 competitors? No bias there, right?
Could you post a link on that video?
The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
Please review growing number of mowers not using perimeter wire.
Great video and compassion! It would be interesting to know if a hasqvarna pro is different in build quality! I was considering a husqvarna but after this I have changed my mind. Thanks again!
Really great in-depth video. Thank you. I think it's pretty clear which one had the most design effort.
a really honest review. ...
The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
Hello, I am in market for robot. In my country they mostly sell Ambrogio L35 DELUXE. Do you have a detailed review on that robot as well? Is it newer version than TWENTY 25 ELITE?
We are planning more videos! Stay tuned.
Can you extend the power supply cables easily? Like put an extension of the 2mm cable before joining it to the transformer
Thank you great video
Did the store run out of the long drill bits? That 24 inch one you have doesn't seem quite long enough.
It always seems cloudy and rainy when I watch videos from England.
You are very knowledgeable. I learned a lot from your video. Nice job
No the store had all the bits we needed. We have sun and rain, a good mix.
Fantastic video. Thank you.
Center of mass in HQV is close to rear wheels. Both rear wheels have always contact with grass. It can be seen on video. When mower drives itself, there is no "magic hand", that pushes front wheel down and rear wheel up...
Not true. In rough conditions a wheel can easily become raised away from the grass. An articulated body can help with this.
Wonderful review. You measured the minimum space between the edge and the blade for the 310 (15cm), but not for the Ambrogio. That would be nice to have. Thank you sir!
That's a good point. The Twenty range has a gap of 4.2cm from the blade tip to the side and 5cm inline to the outside edge of the wheel.
excellent job Sir!
Honda Miimo HRM520 win :) faster 125m^2/1h, better knife (quality than Husqvarna) and realistic (real) mowing surface specifications!
Check out our Honda Miimo review. th-cam.com/video/S8IOOXVpLp8/w-d-xo.html
The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
@@mowermagic this is not Honda :D this is Bosch :D Honda slowly withdraws from this model :D and finally -> three new models appear in 2023 from Honda Miimo :)
Could I ask what are your thoughts about comparison the L35B vs the Twenty Elite? I have 300 squares meters garden that would be divided in four zones, due to the garden’s layout. There is a very small area with a steep 2 m strip. I would like to buy the Twenty but the vendor says the L35B, due to its dual battery will last longer and operate more efficiently . What is your opinion about the two devices? Thank you so much for the help
This is an awesome video, thank you very much for this detailed review, really enjoyed it! Could you please explain then what is the difference between Automower 310 and Automower 315 if they have so many identical details? Thank you
You can talk all day long about specs , but we want to see them do the actual work they claim to do!
95% + of the time on paper looks good , but in practice doesn’t !
Which robot mower are you currently using ?
Very helpful your video is
Both are really very expensive to buy considering most of them are made from moulded plastic. At best id say both should retail for not more than £250
It's not really the plastic body that you're paying for is it - it is the electronics and years of research.
Thanks for a great in depth video. It’s opened my eyes. My garden is about 1700m2. Which robot mower would you recommend? I was looking at getting a husqvarna 430x but this has made me think of maybe considering some others I don’t know about.
They only sell Ambrogio, so what do you think they'll recommend?
@@LeifNelandDk Well which one would YOU recommend ?
@@mowermagic husqvarna 430x for sure.
Much appreciated!
Hi, is there a robotic mower that is just a bump mower and does not have a guide/boundary wire ? i had a worx Landroid M but it just kept going out side the boundary and getting stuck so sent it back, the lawn is surrounded on all side.
Dean
Yes, there is a secret menu in Automower's menu, where mower can be programed not to monitor boundary/guide wire signals, hence not needing them.
Bias review....clearly you guys dont have the husqvarna agency and are a bit sore about it. I have never had an issue with HV over 5 years. why wasnt there one negative about the Ambrogio? 1st thing I see is multiple stops as front wheels will hit small objects and trigger change of direction. Dont be fooled folks, go with the company with experience, Husqvarna all the way!!!
Not sore at all. All points made are factual and are based on real information. We compare size for size, weight for weight, feature for feature. The facts speak for themselves. We only report what we see.
Hi, Jonathan. How does the twenty manage on slopes? I have around 45% slope in the lawn, I know it's rated for this, but does it live up to it's claim? Any advice appreciated. Thanks
Hi Liam. Ambrogio are very true to their specifications. The wide grippy wheels on this platform really do a fantastic job so it does keep grip even if the conditions aren't perfect. If you're right on the limit we'd always suggest getting some advice from a local dealer too so a real world judgement can be made based on the slope and other conditions around it. If you local to us we're happy to come and do a lawn survey and bring a unit to test on the sloped are (we can test without a wire needing to be installed) just to give you confidence in the slope handling. If you're not local but in the UK, we can point you to a local dealer who can help too.
I'm a dealer, and i can tell you that the L20 totally lives up to their specifications. It can do much more too, but if you stay in the guidelines you won't have any problem. Just make sure the slopes aren't steep at the outside boundary, or you might have some problems.
Great review! Just a small correction:
The L20 wheel motor heatsink isn't in fact a heatsink, is a weight. the machine have such great floatation with those wheels that in some kind of grass tend to float on it. So they needed some more weight on the wheels.
@@GabriSantin92 Thanks for that advice. Much appreciated
Was about to make a comment about how you much you were hating on the husky. I changed my mind after 5 minutes. Once you pulled the battery and motors, it's pretty obvious the husky is cheaply made and not worth the price. FYI IOS, not ISO. MOLEX, not molenex. just because the battery is only a 2 Ah battery, it doesn't mean that's all the current it will output. many single cell Li-Po (just one [of the many] cylinder[s] inside the black shrink wrap) can and are designed to sink 30 Amps shorted and be just fine. In the front of the Ambrogio it appears there is a lidar sensor (or plain IR distance sensor) as I can clearly see two lenses behind IR plastic. You didn't mention this? You did not mention if there was conformal coating in the Ambrogio main board. The coating was clearly visible on the husky with the light glare. Bigger mowers don't necessarily require a bigger processor, just more power and bigger mowers. Mowers with more bells and whistles do: GPS, color screens, WiFi, WLAN, and more sensors require more computing. Resettable circuit breakers or PTC fuses are nice as you don't need to replace anything, and I would prefer to see that. The addition of an SD card is concerning -- they are easily corrupted, and I would have preferred to see a eeprom, mmc, or garden gnome with a notepad instead. Antennas and network chips would have been nice to see closer. My nitpicking aside, this was a great video! I like to see people actually take the time to open it up and show the electrical and mechanical workings. Thanks.
The facts speak for themselves. We hold up items from each brand and discuss. We specify facts and figures from each brand. If one brand comes out better there is not much we can actually do to fake the factual results. If one is bigger/longer/heavier/faster etc than the other, then that is what we report. You can watch the video, listen to the facts and make up your own mind.
great clip...! thx D/A/G
How does the Ambrogio Twenty compare to the L15?
I have the old L15 (2019 model) and its virtually identical to the 2020 L15 and the twenty deluxe, except for the smaller blade and the blade guard (the new L15 has the same one as the twenty). Motors, battery electronics, wheels, chassis, all 100% the same. Seriously, afaict the only difference is the color and of course, packaging (perimeter wire). Only the twenty elite plus is "different", it has a 2P battery and thus twice the capacity. Since its just a bunch of 18650s in series, no BMS, no balance leads even, feel free to upgrade your own battery, which is what Im doing.
Oh, and I guess its possible in theory they reduced the speed on the L15 compared to the 20, which might explain the claimed difference in lawn size they can cover. But I doubt that even, for sure the motors and electronics are the exact same.
I had a big track in the 80's that looked just like the white one, lol
Great tech:/spec: review not "nerdi" at all especially if your interested in product purchase, my takeaway from this is a classic case of one - built down to a price, the other built up to a standard, from an engineering perspective you can certainly tell when the accountants call the shots.
Cheers Glenn.
Well said!
je coupe ma pelouse depuis 2017 avec un Husqvarna 315, et j'en suis très content. Mes petits enfants peuvent jouer autour, et le système de lames rétractables et loin des bords est pour moi un gage de sécurité: les lames fixes à 3 cm des bords me feraient un peu peur car les enfants sont attirés par ces petits robots !! Le robot passe partout, et une grosse pente à monter ne l'arrête jamais, même sur herbe mouillée : le grip est excellent . Les lames , je ne les change que tous les ans car elles sont réversibles à mi saison, et très résistantes de par leur rétractabilité. Bref, ce robot est un "Plug and play" remarquable de fiabilité et d'endurance.
Nous sommes très heureux que vous soyez satisfait du Husqvarna. Veuillez noter que la lame de l'Ambrogio est entièrement conforme à toutes les lois et réglementations. C'est sûr. Leurs modèles fonctionnent également sur les pentes, certains mieux que d'autres.
I’m convinced but sadly they don’t have a reseller in New Zealand
Good rewie. l35 elite ambrogio the same quality?
Awesome Video!!!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Robots are designed to drive on grass (soft surface), not concrete or other hard surface. What is the point in comparing wheels on table or concrete?
The test speaks for itself and shows how well the wheels grip.
Imagine mowing grass on a slippery tiled surface 13:30
Ok hang on I am imagining this situation right now. Yes. Ok. Ambrogio is dealing with it well.
The more voltage you have, the less amps are needed to get the same work done. The correct way to compare the amount of energi in batteries, and how its done in ex. electrical vehicles), is to compare how many Watthours (Wh) they have. Watt = Voltage * Amps = it gives away how much energi truly can be stored in it. As an example: A 100 AH 1 Volt battery is only 1/10th of a 10 Ah 100 Volt battery :-)
It's a fair point. Trying to find the balance between making things simple to follow and still techy enough is always a bit tough. Comparing the Watthours the Husqvarna battery is 37.8Wh, the Ambrogio battery in the Twenty Deluxe and Elite (2.5Ah) are 65Wh and the 5Ah battery in the Twenty Elite S+ is 130Wh so they definitely have the edge on battery capacity.
@@mowermagic Totally agree on all aspects :-)
@@mowermagic Its worth pointing out the ambrogio batteries have no balance lead, and no temp sensor. Its just 7 18650 cells in series. 7S with no balanced charging is not a great idea and a temp sensor should also be included. Its my only gripe with their design, everything else seems overengineered. The HQ seems to have enough leads for balancing, not sure if they monitor temps.
Is the Ambrogia the same as a Wiper ecorobot? I have a wiper dealer very near me.
Hi Christopher, Wiper mowers are manufactured by Ambrogio so they are made in the same factory but exact specifications / features may vary. If you've got a local dealer it'd be worth going to see them and seeing the quality first hand.
@@mowermagic thank you!
I don't want to have kids with curious toes playing in garden that is maintained by Ambrogio - gap between shell and blade seems to quite small. And yes I'm happy Automower customer
The blade setting and distance is of course well within the limits set by the Law, so this is not an issue.
If my lawn was flat like a concrete patio, these mowers would perform fine. But who has such flat and level lawns? (we grow flowers in our garden, keep grass in the lawn) I will be top dressing as i do want to move towards a robotic mower and most are like these, not designed for all terrain real world lawns.
Na, it handles uneven ground quite well, my lawn has more in common with a pasture than a golf court, full of holes and hills, pots and trees, the little ambrogio has no problems with that. Of course, flower beds and the like, you just have to put the perimeter wire around them.
What about blade protection on the Ambrogio if it hits an object.
What do you mean by this ? What are you comparing to ?
If Zuchetti has bigger, more powerful battery, why it can cut only 1300 sq meters and Husqvarna with small little battery can cut 1600 sq meters?
Can it ? Where is the evidence of what you say. We report only facts.
Just by mentioning the Ambrosio company being owned by Ducati, completely turned my off from buying that brand of robot. I would expect it to be at the dealer half of the summer getting fixed. The Italian manufacturers make nice advanced stuff, but it's often somewhat fragile (Ducati, Fiat, Alfa Romeo...)
quite a silly comment especially if you watched the video. The ambrogios are actually built like tanks and completely over engineered, whereas the husqvarna is a pile of cheap plastic. Ambrogio also isnt owned by ducati, but by Zucchetti
Ambrogio nothing to do with Ducatti. Ambrogio is a brand of Zuchetti.
I have the Ambrogio and very disappointed with how it cuts grass. Its only be capable of trimming 1/16 of an inch and if a blade of grass is slightly longer it just pushes it over. Bottom line. I
ts a very ineffective mower and takes many-many passes over the same area to achieve the final cut. I bought Ambrogio because of this 📸 and that was my mistake.
You need to just let the mower do its work - don't watch it. If at the end of a cycle the grass is cut is does not matter how many times it goes over the same area. Once it is short, it will then stay short.
WOW! WHERE WHERE YOUR VIDEO 3 hours ago!! I have been trying to really break down the differences between robots. I have watched SO many useless robot videos. The ambrogio is a CLEAR winner. THANKYOU. Ambrogios online representation is a MASSIVE letdown!
Glad you found it useful.
Too many irrelevant details which hardly make any real difference in real use in my opinion. The real use test would interest me more
If you call comparing each electro mechanical component irrelevant, so be it - all these components make up the machine and are ultimately very important.
Wow... talk about grip of the wheels and not the diamater? The diameter is the basis for going over bumps... what are you more concertned about, bumps or it's ability to drive on stainless steel?
The grip is spoken about in the context of the machine being able to drive over undulating or steep sloping ground - if it can't grip it can't move and will get stuck. Pretty straightforward.
Guide wires are great. Otherwise the robot must follow the perimeter wire all around the area (which can be several hundreds of meters) until it reaches the charging station.
That is not true... Ambrogio has its own mode, V-meter, allowing quicker returns. I won't go into details here, but an experienced dealer will know how to use it smartly and reduce return times drastically. Also, Ambrogio allows for placing additional 'marks' by laying the cable in specific shapes to tell the robots that they can do shortcuts. Moreover, if an Ambrogio robot is equipped a with a GPS module you can program it to use its geolocation to quickly go to the station through the center of a lawn which is much more efficient than laying 100m of guide-wire (in case of very large lawns). Essentialy, with Ambrogio you get much more flexibility. For example, you can make a robot to go through a 40 cm passages to reach another lawn which is not possible in Husqvarna as you won't fit three cables in such a narrow space - also 315x won't physically fit in such passage as it is almost two times wider than Ambrogio Twenty.
The Husqvarna mows for 70 minutes not 17 you might want to edit that.
Nah. You might want to look and listen more carefully.
I have run my Husqvarna kniefs for 3 years. Works fine! Never got stuck due to the tires. What kind of unbias review is this?
You are Swedish and obviously favor the Husqvarna because it’s a Swedish machine. The Husqvarna is slow and has to charge way too often compared to other units.
@@Birdfeeder795 Automower's charging station search times are short thanks to guide wire(s), therefore smaller battery gets the same job done. Ambrogio uses perimeter wire to search charging station, therefore bigger battery is needed to lengthen mowing time and decrease need to find charging station so frequently.
@@ouherizon That is just not the case. The Ambrogio cut way more grass in 1 hour that an HQ. The Ambrogio can work for way longer than the HQ thus completing the task way quicker. Just do the math on how long a HQ 310 will spend mowing a 1000 square meter lawn vs an Ambrogio Twenty Elite. It speaks for itself.
@@ouherizon I think your latest reply disappeared from the comment section. It would be interesting too read your response so please repost.
@@Birdfeeder795 I agree, Ambrogio cuts grass more efficiently (especially longer grass), thanks to higher rpm (4200 vs 2300) and fixed blades, but as always, there are some downsides to this. First, energy consumption is higher, therefore Ambrogio needs a bigger battery (25.9 V x 2.5 Ah = 64.75 Wh vs 18.5 V x 2 Ah = 37 Wh). Secondly, fixed blade is more dangerous to user and objects lying on the ground, since blade does not retract, when colliding with an object. Thirdly, Ambrogio blades produce more audible noise. Ambrogio might get the job done faster, but you don’t take into consideration charging station average search time difference, the fact that Ambrogio’s two hour average mowing duration is achieved, when grass has been mostly cut. The real comparison should be done in the same area, on the same conditions, not on the paper. Also, I find it hard to believe Ambrogio 4200 rpm motor produces only one dB(A) higher audible noise, than Husqvarna 2300 rpm (59 vs 58 dB(A)).
Video sponserd by Armbogio. Husqvarna is just so much better. But this test sais that it fails in every way. Weird since it's by far the best real life robotic mower.
Incorrect, not "sponsored" by anyone. The tests we do hold up components and compare them. If Husqvarna component is better it will be shown as better. You do not mention specifically why Husqvarna is better. Better wheels? Better motors? Our test speak for themselves.
Hahah u are so funny
Husqvarna - you keep saying husvarna.. Good video tho :)
Thanks Cris