I know that my five years working in the games industry, being lead QA on one of the most popular FPS of its time and generally my complete and total fucking cynicism may not count for much, but I feel that there's a clip from Rab C Nesbitt that might be relevant here. The games industry is just behind the fucking KKK for being male and white. The amount of sexism, weird otaku shit and just mind blowing incel crap that is considered, "regular" would make a bunch of 12 year olds in the 80s playing Dungeons and Deliberate Female Oppression look like radical feminists. The reasons why games are shite is because the whole industry was taken over by venture capitalists who hired managers who worked on boxed white goods. Fuck Sarkesian. If you want to know why games are shit - consider that a game I know was delayed for two months because the executives saw rapelling in MW2 at E3 and insisted it was put into the game, despite literally having no place in it.
Ive always thought disobedient canines games were on par with the tightly coiled piles they leave on the lawn. The over hype the fans boys have is unfathomable
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” - George R.R. Martin
chitbong it’s not the characters we’re mad about, it’s how they are forcing them down our throats in a already established video game universe with characters we already care about and are attached to. i would have been fine playing as a gay ellie, but being forced to watch as a transgender woman who i barely know beat my favourite character to death with a golf club after he has survived years of the apocalypse and people attempting to kill him, that’s where i draw the line.
I can just see the articles now: "Fans HATE The Last of Us 2, and that's a good thing." "The story of TLOU2 is actually genius, and here's why." "TLOU2 is underperforming in sales, Gamergate and Nazis to blame."
@No Go not for THEM though. The left facists believe that anyone who is not 100% of THEIR opinion is a racist/ Nazi/ evil human being. And exactly this makes them fascistic.
I worked with Amy at Crystal Dynamics and I have never met, before or since, such a creative, intelligent, and dedicated individual, to say nothing of her incredible storytelling talent. What happened to her at ND was an inexcusable crime. Lesson learned: The talented artists and designers who create monumentally successful (and profitable) work are always at the mercy of non-creative suits who have no fucking clue how to do anything but make fiction-based earning projections spreadsheets.
Art and science being attacked / hijacked by SJWs. Evetything ruined by the ballast of activism. And corporate suits liking ass for dollars which they don't get.
It's sad that she ended up in CD tho, they're as woke and as socially backwards as ND nowadays. Now this awesome woman needs to get her own company, imagine her own built world where no one c*ck blocks her creativity, and clearly Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics do not deserve such talent. Hope you too are doing well on a company that actually respects you and their customers!
@@coacksenmayasse5771 She has her " own " company. Skydance new media and they recently announced they were working on a star wars game with Lucas Game :)
@@Cyber_Kriss I think it's illogical, regardless of the sex. By firering this talented woman she showed the world that she really is just a person who wants to use woman and feminisn as a protection to shield herself and her work from criticism. If you go woke, nobody is allowed to criticise you. She doesn't care about woman or anyone else except herself for that matter.
@Anubis_X64 I'm not sure I'm really getting where you're coming from, but I also don't believe her to be a feminist, only someone who uses the ideology to further her own plans. And she appears to be less talented than the one she fired, right. Women are physically weaker than men, yes, I don't see the connection, but ok... And yes, the pandering to a certain groups of people, especially in video games and movies is annoying. I mean, you always have your target audience, but now days it feels like they are more thinking about how to include a maximum amount of "diverse" people in the movie/game than about the actual story.
@Cure4Living isn't it funny that these people never heard of the Streisand effect, especially since Barbara Streisand used to be a favorite of the LGBT+
I even tweeted her thanking for her work on uncharted. I AM A HALO FAN! LOL. Loved Last of us 1. 2 is ruined. Wont even bother with it. Rather wait for Cyberpunk 2077 and Halo Infinite.
It happens everywhere, literally every movie, every tv show, every game... “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time is enemy action.”
@@monkeyrobotsinc.9875 more like it's Woke people need to be launched into the sun. Cali is fine but the people in charge? Well they kinda make me wish they'd just get hit by cars.
The unfortunate thing is it still ended up selling incredibly well. It properly split the fanbase down the middle, but still sold even better than the first. Now there's a third being thrown around, with golden boy at the head of writing.
If feminists like Anita Sarkeesian really believed women were equal to men, they wouldn't hijack successful male-oriented movies and games, they would make their own. It's amazing how UNCREATIVE they really are.
"So what if you are actually forcing an actual real woman out of her job in video games while claiming to champion fictional women in video games" This is a perfect hit, you are a true sniper, sir! So true, it hurts.
Been a fan of Hennig since I was a kid. The Soul Reaver series is magical to me. When I learned about the real reason Hennig was let go from Naughty Dog - because the company made am official, private declaration among staff that they're going to push Left-wing politics in their games and Hennig objected to this - it made me hate Neil Cuckman and love Amy Hennig even more.
The story was pretty kick-ass though if you don't go into it with a chip on your shoulder or blaming external factors for your romantic endeavours. But I digress. Maybe it was the right executive decision to restructure the writing team?
@@phattjohnson The story relies a lot more heavily on convenient contrivances than TLOU1's did, leaning more heavily on trying very hard to do things rather than the execution of said things. It very much seems like a lot of the writing team who were skilled at making more organic development have left, and that really kills the experience for all the folks who pick up on the blatant railroading. There's a reason TLOU1 is universally praised as a masterpiece, but TLOU2 will go down as something very divisive, even after factoring out all the straight up bigotry.
I don't like this game for perfectly valid reasons, and I've been told repeatedly, and quite aggressively, that it's because I'm a misogynistic guy. I'm not misogynistic or a guy.
I am a straight white male and make no apologies for it. The story and characters are uninteresting and nothing that I have not seen 100 times before. Many games and movies are becoming a platform to preach leftist ideology at the expense of entertainment value. It is not stunning or brave, it is just old and boring.
Well, at least she admits she's racist and sexist too. I mean, she's included in 'everything', so, I guess, let's follow her lead and POINT. IT. ALL. OUT. Crazy Lady is sexist, Crazy Lady is racist, Crazy Lady is misogynistic!
@EramSemperRecta Don't bring Trotsky into this. These people are not progressive, or left-wing, or even communist. They might say they are, but when have you seen them actually, dunno, promoting the welfare of the community? All I see them do is try to break everything that doesn't agree with them and their individual specific viewpoint. Trotsky was a product of his time, flaws and all, but these hypocrites don't have the guts to follow even outdated ideas and opinions.
"Your customers don't want this" ... He knows this, dear Drinker. He knows this all too well. The problem is he doesn't want his customers, he wants new and diverse customers. Customers who probably aren't even interested in computer games since they're completely preoccupied with their own identity and social acceptance.
I want to see them try and survive on the revenue from that minuscule 'target' market. Methinks he spends too much time on the Twitter circle-jerk and actually thinks it's an accurate depiction of the population.
More than twenty months later, this video is still absolutely spot on. And for those who continue to accuse The Critical Drinker of misogyny or anti-woman biases, they're not really listening to his core message: uplifting female roles in media does not have to come at the expense of demolishing existing storylines, characters, narratives, and settings. Unfortunately, as TCD keeps pointing out, this is exactly what happens, and only because modern writers are too lazy and modern corporate producers too averse to risk.
That's one of the problems with TLOU2. It goes too far in this, awkwardly shoving representation in without fully adapting it to the setting. We end up with Lev's identity as a trans guy being so vital to his characterization that it basically means everything that happens to him (i.e. the death of his entire family) is a result of it, which didn't exactly hit well with everyone in the trans community. We end up with Dina accompanying Ellie not because she had ride-or-die bonds with Joel, Ellie, or Tommy before Joel's death, and not because she's a perfect party member for this kind of mission (in fact she's relatively sheltered for this kind of setting), but so she can be the Token Girlfriend. The annoying part is that who & what they are doesn't need to change in the slightest - all they needed was better motivation. Dina, because she's an inexperienced teenager going on a mass assassination mission (yeah, I know the plan is to rescue Tommy, but let's be real here), either needs something a LOT stronger than being Ellie's girlfriend for a couple days. Or she needs to be a lot more dumbstruck by the brutality of it all, a lot more fish out of water, allowing her fear and lack of skill/confidence to play against Ellie's determination. Lev just needed more of a reason for everything to have happened besides "because he's trans".
Fuck me there's maybe 5-10 minutes of what you could call 'virtue signalling' in a game with a runtime of 20+ hours.. if you fail to see the themes of empathy and the human condition due to such insignificant character traits as gender or race then the problem is with YOU, not the medium. Channels like TCD are contrarian by their very nature to attract clicks, yet a bunch of lonely individuals feel like it's a rallying cry to shit on next to anything and everything because 'mah masculinityz'
@@phattjohnson It's not really the "virtue signaling" itself that's the issue here. As you point out, it's not particularly overdone. Frankly, I think Ellie and Dina's relationship gets fairly close to the right amount of focus for this sort of story (if anything, it's kind of LACKING tbh), and while Lev's circumstances have always seemed a bit too strongly highlighted to me, that's not actually really a problem with him - besides the fact that he's a lot more of a secondary character than I'd expect to get that kind of spotlight, being the player's companion for only about two and a half segments in Abby's campaign. No, the real issue is the lack of proper buildup and focus dedicated to major story elements like Ellie's immunity, or major story moments like Joel getting shot. Lev being trans has more of a direct impact on Abby's campaign than Ellie's immunity does on hers. In fact, Ellie's immunity is heavily downplayed by Naughty Dog, given how incredibly contrived it is for there to have been only one person in the whole world who could have engineered a fungal vaccine, and the man wasn't even a fucking fungal or vaccine lab specialist, but a surgeon. That's like expecting a Formula One racer to be the only person in the world who can repair a fighter jet. Lev's circumstances as a trans dude are also... more central to his character arc than I'd expect? Obviously it's very important to him, but I mean, it's treated as the main catalyst for him and Yara to have fallen out with the rest of the Scars, when, say, a plotline about them AND their mother falling out with the rest because of the changes since the founder prophet died and how they believed in the "old ways" or something. A behind-the-scenes conflict like that is a really compelling, thought-provoking concept. Instead, it's mostly about Lev rejecting his designated role as a brood mare, making him less of a character who happens to be trans and more of a character to whom everything negative happens because he's trans. I'm cis, so I can't speak for trans folk, but I don't see why that was necessary, and I strongly believe the former would have been better. Keep the scenes where Abby just gets it, those were great, but he doesn't need to have to lose his mother and sister over it. Other than that, I think it's fine, it's just that his traits definitely got more attention than other, more central characters' did, and it's noticeable. The lack of focus and time on aspects that are specific to this series, and the higher-than-expected focus on something like the religious extremism of the Scars through the lens of how they treat Lev, definitely lends itself to the feeling of ND worrying more about virtue signaling than the coherency of the plot. I honestly don't think they intended to uplift such aspects at the cost of demolishing the others mentioned, it's just a bit of a byproduct of not really knowing how to fully make use of and fully flesh out those other aspects.
Badtanman Mate the game is politically correct bullshit that is trying to push an Agenda. Games shouldn’t be pushing any sort of Agenda just tell good stories and be fun. That’s it. Stop trying to appease to a a demographic that don’t even play games.
@@user-og6hl6lv7p i am not hating the game, the guy that made the game is a asshole who bullied a Amy Henning out of her work. The woman responsable for this stuido success.
m_hicks12 Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy were still good games that were not too pandering. I mean other than Nadine being a thing there isn’t much of a SJW agenda in those games.
@m_hicks12me too i did not follow the last of us or Naughty Dog news because i always assumed that they always make good games, until i said the Robingaming video about "naughty secret agenda", and he got bombarded by ND toxic fans, alot of people were blind and put this dude on a pedestal because of first game, but people now after seing this shitty game people have open their eyes to all the things this dude have done, that he bullied Amy Henning out of her job and that his running a propagandist political studio.
Ironically, Japanese media has the most good representation of strong female characters precisely BECAUSE they don't care about all that agenda-pushing crap. They just make women powerful because it's cool or it makes sense, or both. Just look at a similar-ish event in Hunter X Hunter: a character is depicted as being an absolute beast. He's one of the strongest people in the world and our protagonists follow him in hostile territory. But just as they get close to the ennemy base, an unbelievably powerful ennemy attacks them and that powerful man gets abolutely annihilated and right after that, at the end of the episode, you see her with the man's severed head on her lap and she down right says "Hmmm... I might be a bit too powerful, haha" I don't remember people bitching about that ennemy being female, because it made sense for her to be this powerful in universe. I also remember when some journalist asked Yoko Taro why 2B was a sexy french maid and he answered "I just really like girls". And in the game she is never overly sexualised, she's just a damn good character. People that stop at how she looks to dismiss the entire character (and the entire game for some) are the close-minded ones in my book. It doesn't matter what the character is, just how it appears to be... It's about artificial representation, not about doing justice to those female characters. I don't remember people getting mad at Horizon Zero Dawn for having a female protagonist. And for me is proof that gamers don't care about the gender of their heroes.
I really hope all the people hating on it I just doing it for Internet points and not because it’s actually a bad story, i’m sure there’s some people who you think it is just a bad story but I feel like the majority is just hating on it because everyone is. Maybe it’s being drowned out by the hate comments but I haven’t seen a single positive comment from someone who seen the spoilers.
@@Skinned_fried_n_cut_up_potato I genuinely think it is going to be a bad story. I love the first Last of Us, it was like the first proper video game I played, but (if the leaks are true) they seem to sideline the important characters and alienate the original audience, disregard and disrespect the first game all in the name of 'girl power.'
@@tmerchead1 if it wasn't real footage and real info then Sony wouldn't be abusing the copyright Strikes like crazy to try and hush it up. Yet again... Sony has sprung a leak and its sinking like the Titanic. 🤦♂️
Disobedient K-9 somehow managed the impossible, they made Zombie Mushroom Game Part 2 even worse than I could have imagined even after reading the leaks. The person who did the leak should have a statue made of them as they saved so many people many hours of frustration and $60.00.
On r/LGBT somebody asked what we think of LGBTQ representation in videogames. I said if we are gonna be represented as dumb, bland, empty shells of characters (and gave the example of Ellie and dina from the last of us 2) then I'd rather we aren't represented at all. I was then told that I'm a straight white male and when i explained that in no way am i a straight white male, i was told that i have internalised homophobia. I wish i was joking but that's what i was actually told.
Well clearly those people that opposed you are Harvard graduate intellectuals, so they know everything. If I made a game, I would have LGBTQ representation but make those characters competent and deep.
It's incredibly stupid when people try to pretend everyone from a minority group is a monolith with the same opinions, but also, how is Ellie an empty shell lol, her lesbianism isn't at all a defining part of her character. Her story is far more about her survivor's guilt, PTSD, inability to let go of things and impulsiveness and how she lets her loved ones get hurt over her desire for revenge
@@trevorphilips9065 rockstar is a giant dumpsterfire for more than five years, they sued any and all bad reviews, not even concerning social problems, but just because they lost profit. But their parent company take two went completely bonkers with that idea with rdr2 and the new borderlands. They destroyed almost 20% of all western video game review websites by successfully demanding loss compensation from arbitration boards for bad reviews. That company is cancer and many people treat them worse than activision or ea. And that means a lot, but taketwo interactive doesn't literally care, they even sued their nomination out of the top 10 2020 bad video game companies.
What are you on about mate? I saw a scene in a trailer where 2 women kiss... Up until the leaks I still held that it would be worth a purchase. Also eat my shorts.
As if the whole LGBT narrative even survives or is relevant in an apocalyptic scenario. P sure humans rights stop existing after the zero hour. What a clown of a game
its amazing how the first (and maybe only) person to be immune to the zombie virus is a person that wont create any offspring that could potentionally have a high chance of inhereting whatever it is that made them immune.
you know, I was JUST about to write that, when drinker showed Amy's photos, I didn't remember her looking this good, genuine and relatable. That makes her an attractive woman to me. Meanwhile, Anita looks fake as shit and cheap as hell.
FFS why would anyone take advice from someone like Sarkeesian? She's already been exposed as a fraud and her video series wasn't even hard to debunk. It's been known for quite some time now.
And the "gender pay gap" has been consistently and comprehensively debunked since the notion was first squeezed out of a Marxist landwhale's hairy armpit. People still keep going on about it. Feminism is a cult.
I genuinely cannot comprehend how fucking brain dead you must be as a business men to see a game like the last of us and think to do this to it, I cannot in any way shape or form imagine anyone in anyway possible thinking this was a good idea, you dont need to be a fucking Oracle to see that the entire story woildve killed the game
@@PorkFork Nope, she just abandoned the series when she got bored of it. She went back to talking about music, movies and tv shows. Because that's what she's actually interested in. Her channel is basically dead. Most progressives, feminists etc must have eventually realized that supporting her just made them look bad.
Because it's about feeling good because you're a good person, not facts. People want to feel part of something bigger than themselves, a cause. It's a faction, an identity, a mission and basis of self-esteem. Just what the doctor ordered for someone stupid enough to be religious in a post-religion setting.
So having the courage to be yourself even if it's frowned upon isn't sth to be proud off? Don't apply your generalising logic here, because it doesn't work
@@elpeluca7780 No, there's nothing wrong with being yourself so long as you don't scream about it every few seconds. Most people don't give a shit about who you sleep with, nobody should be known for being "that one gay person" in a group. People want to know you for who you are, your gender, sexuality, race, nationality, ethnic group shouldn't be the *main thing* people recognize you for as a person. I recognized Ellie because she was a kid trying to survive in a fucked up world where it's dog-eat-dog out there with Joel. Oh? She's lesbian? ... Cool. So long as that's not the only reason you like her for or the only reason as to WHY she is there in the first place, then it's alright to have these kinds of characters be in videogames.
@@xoschohoko2327 well, I was referring to the pride parades. I actually agree with what you last said. It's frustrating to see gays or ppl of an ethnic group where their personality is being a walking stereotype in medier
These companies are just hell bent on financial suicide...taking creative advice from Anita Sarkeesian is like taking medical advice from Gwyneth Paltrow.
Unlikely, she doesn't even allow comments on her videos because "harassment" I doubt she'll watch a video that is openly critical of her, even if her name isn't explicitly stated.
We had a long journey with Joel and he became one of my favorite characters because his story and relationship with ellie is deep but to be killed off for such a ridiculous reason is just sad
Naughty Dog: “So you see, Amy, that it’s for the benefit of all women, trans people, people of color, and others that we make these changes and consult with Anita. Our games will be a benchmark of change for the future. They will-“ Amy: “Let’s drop the moral posturing, shall we? We both know there’s no altruism in this pursuit!”
Daniel B my guy this is what is called ignorance they portrayed her as gay for a very long time but you still wanna 14 year to grow up forget her lesbian self and get married in a zombie apocalypse ? You are crusty as fuck Joel is a terrible person you all should have seen a depressing outcome happening
Moonlit Eyes Who would’ve seen this coming? Tell me can we fucking predict the future? Also no one fucking said they were ignoring the sexuality of Ellie which was NEVER addressed. Who gives a fuck if someone is just saying she found a guy and had kids with them, because they probably don’t know if she is lesbian and if they knew it’s still a simple statement. And how is Joel a bad person? Oh because he kills people! Who would’ve thought that you have to kill in a apocalypse. And who would’ve knew that the entire story of The Last Of Us is about Ellie and Joel’s relationship and not what Joel did before they meet.
@@cybernerdcreations4475 bruh, he massacred the Fireflies and doomed humanity to be without of cure for the infection because he saw Ellie as his surrogate daughter. He, at the very least, is even more selfish than the Fireflies leader. Joel would at least, thematically die, for his lie to Ellie. Anyways, I'll be cautiously optimistic about the story. The Naughty Dog dev posted a vid about how he himself cried towards the story and I personally am somehow able to enjoy "trash" more easily than other people so eh.
Exultant Blade in the game they said that it was far from guaranteed they could get a cure from Ellie IIRC; there were others before her who died for nothing
@@arnowisp6244 Imagine someone doing just that and ending up with huge resources and releasing big hit games made with no SJWs in sight. Sony and Druckman a.k.a. Cuckman would be pissed :D
I wil add this to the things that were great but then sucked: * Game of Thrones * Star Wars * Westworld * The Last of Us (Requested by comments below) * Ghostbusters * Terminator * Predator * Star Trek * Dr. Who * Mass Effect * Sillent Hill * Battlefield 5 * Comic industry * Metal Gear
Prepare to add The Witcher and The Mandalorian to that list. Trust me, these people can’t be trusted. Season 2 will bring the sjw elements now that they’ve hooked people with season 1. Mark my words.
That's one of the reasons I don't mind spoilers. These days, I'd rather be forwarned and save myself the waste of money if it turns out to be another agenda driven piece of garbage.
Isn't it funny how much we loved Ellie because she was a strong character and now we will hate her because some SJW writer will try to maker her a strong FEMALE character?
That just proves that SJWs can't write shit, but we all knew that... Hell, just look at Marvel. They were busier writing angry tweets than writing comics, and now they're surprised that they don't have any money left.
@@DonVigaDeFierro can't expect writing ability from people so creatively bankrupt the only way they can actually send their message is hijacking franchises and pumping them full of blatant pandering and preaching, can we?
what nonsense are you spouting here. Nobody is taking issue at Ellie being a strong character or even if they made ellie the main protagonist of the 2nd game ( which they didn't). go virtue signal somewhere else u turd.
Well, not exactly sure how chill Joel could be with that firefly-shaped sword dangling over his head...but I guess we'll never find out now, will we???
@@joshyoder871 Nah. Joel effectively beheaded the Fireflies by killing their incompetent leader. And the Fireflies are so inept and incompetent none of them would make it to the dam without getting eaten by zombies or shot by government forces. And finally, if they DO make it, "Abs" and her gang would also have to deal with a pissed-off Tommy and his militia in order to reach Joel and Ellie, who'll also most likely even join in the defense effort.
I love this channel a lot. During one of my corporate meetings I unintentionally said "That's all I've got for today" and then restrained myself from saying "go away now"
Seriously, those base levels are off the charts. The madlad could of just leaked pics or storylines, but this crazy bastard just says fuck it and fuck this and just put it all out there, effectively putting a nail in the coffin of his former company. I can only hope to destroy something I hate like this man did.
Hell man, me not being a big gamer i thought the whole thing was satire until i googled naughty dog and found out it's a real company. that was in the last half of the video
Amy Henning worked on the story for the _Legacy of Kain_ series. She's earned more respect from that work alone than any of these blue-checkmark, danger-haired fart-sniffers will ever see in their entire lives.
I'm glad this shitshow means people are finally talking about Amy Hennig again. She was done so dirty all because she said she didn't have trouble succeeding in the video game world as a woman, contrary to the narrative.
Ellie becoming the main protaginist was a natural progresssion from the original game. This was set up by the aging Joel teaching Ellie everything he knows and playing as Ellie in the third act.
@@MajorBubbled agreed was an inevitable shift for the second game, also makes sense he would die in the next game pretty obvious way to create motivation for Ellie to do something (although it's shocking you won't see what that ends up being till part 3)
Ye ellie was a fun determined kid, now they've just turned her into a bland powerful lesbian female with fuck all personality, its not like she was stuck in the wild the entire time, she should be more like a female Nathan drake maybe a lil bit more serious ygm.
@@ipanesm It is. Thx. Shrugged off until becoming a hack writer later in life and damn! The work there vs reality. Our world script today is so far beyond absurd noone WOULD believe w/o witness. Stand by!
Benaiah Sampson Benker If going BUT WHY is all they're doing it's still okay, funny even. We can take turns laughing at them. But then they woild also blame the very core audience their products is targeted to and making money from AFTER antagonizing them, by then it's just frustrating to see.
These game/movie companies make these decisions even though they don't prove financially sound. Oh right, "It's not about the money. It's about sending a message".
1st game. Ellie is a wise cracking passionate but excited and sweet girl who started out hopeful but assaulted by gritty realism of the world as she learned to kill and harden 2nd game. Ellie is gay
@@gimpscam9976 i know. that wasn't my point. my point was that in the first game it is only a preference. a sliver that adds to her make up and it played nothing in her character development in the first game. in the second game thats like half the story. focusing on a 3 word sentence. instead of confronting joel about lying or some other issue. like maybe she's grown accustomed to murdering and enjoying it. but nah. she's just gay. and it looks like she and Joel are close meaning she doesn't find out or its swept under the rug.
Remember when naughty dog use to known for games like crash bandicoot and jak and daxter? Those were to good days... now they're known for this mess...
I think Joel might have been a little too relatable. I didnt think the first one was all that great, but I think a lot of the positive word of mouth was from middle aged white guys pretending it was a daughter simulator, and were all weepy and mawkish about the game b/c of that.
@@pete3011 IMO it's an interesting story with 2 good characters. But the gameplay is god awefull,like all ND games. In short a good but highly overrated game,like all ND games.
And look at where these mentalities have got these companies now. Nintendo is still one of the most beloved and respected companies in gaming with a massive library of timeless games. Naughty Dog are crashing and burning, and their recent "cinematic" games, although trendy now, will feel dated as hell in the near future.
@mc finn I'm gonna be a bit of an elitist now, if you don't mind. Most games are made to be fun, so at the end of the day we can sit down and enjoy ourselves. Now there are games that don't fit that mentality, games that don't provide strictly "fun", but instead challenge and consequently satisfaction, for example Dark Souls. Now these "not-for-fun" games have to be enjoyable gameplay wise and their story must be able to support this if not enhance. Only really good games are allowed to be "not-for-fun" and that's a big fucking risk to take.
I disagree with the comments below, the story was about this relationship was perfectly told, and this is the problem about capitalism, if it makes alot of money the idea is to capitalise on it, but the story was told perfectly, you cannot expand on that area better. However for arguments sake you could have made a game that focused on the years between what happened at the out break and how society fell apart, a whole world of different possibilities. When you begin to play with a relationship that from the first game that reached a dramatic plot point where heavy emotions were left unanswered, well you love it for that exact reason, because your mind trys to find the answer of what came came next, however never ever has a sequal that finished in such a intense state done justice to a story of a relationship like theirs. What the fuck is wrong with people not being content with a perfect piece of story. Leave it there, stop projecting your theory's online because the reality is that the makers never get it right in the next game, you yourselves are to blame, to me I was always content with how it ended, I knew there would. Be consequences and heart ache, but I didn't need to know how that plays out. It's like knowing your partner cheated and you sit them down and force them to tell you bit by bit everything they done and with who and why, it's torture, why do it? Just walk away. One and done seems like a filthy way to live. If they wanted to they could have created an anthology of characters in the night of when the outbreak happened from alot of different perspectives and see what gels. Ellie and Joel's moment was just that, a moment, and should have been left right there.
If you stay a little longer, the hologram says new lines: "The cleansing of positive male characters is a necessary step on a path for a more diverse tomorrow."
That is the reason why i'm against diversity in media, not because I don't want diversity, but because the media can't write characters with any subtlety anymore. Oh If they are gay that IS their personality. Remember when the most important thing about Luke Skywalker was the fact he is straight? me neither. A character who is interesting and also happens to be gay is one thing, but a character who is gay and only gay is about as interesting as a block of wood. a gay block of wood.
“hey I’m gay and not straight cool right that’s pretty much all there is to me.” I hate so many fucking standpoints where being anything but straight is a focal point of something, even someone’s life, like it’s a fucking accomplishment as someone said. Congrats. You found your place in life. Doesn’t mean that should be what affects entire discussions or media.
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My video is not loading correctly on my phone or my iPad. Is this video trying to get blocked from those A-holes?
Another solid video from the hypothetical serious swigger
I need to drink more. It seems to make people think more clearly and give great points
I know that my five years working in the games industry, being lead QA on one of the most popular FPS of its time and generally my complete and total fucking cynicism may not count for much, but I feel that there's a clip from Rab C Nesbitt that might be relevant here.
The games industry is just behind the fucking KKK for being male and white. The amount of sexism, weird otaku shit and just mind blowing incel crap that is considered, "regular" would make a bunch of 12 year olds in the 80s playing Dungeons and Deliberate Female Oppression look like radical feminists. The reasons why games are shite is because the whole industry was taken over by venture capitalists who hired managers who worked on boxed white goods. Fuck Sarkesian. If you want to know why games are shit - consider that a game I know was delayed for two months because the executives saw rapelling in MW2 at E3 and insisted it was put into the game, despite literally having no place in it.
Ive always thought disobedient canines games were on par with the tightly coiled piles they leave on the lawn. The over hype the fans boys have is unfathomable
Forcing a real woman out of her job to champion fictional women....slayed me.
"slew
Going by his username I think he got it right
*QUEEN slayed me [finger snap]
Guess their morals fly out the window when you stand in their way no matter what you have in your pants.
I'm not entirely sure whether the word "irony" or "hypocrisy" fits better here.
When speaking about the events of the first game, Ellie said to Joel 'it can’t be for nothing'. Turns out it actually was for nothing.
that's the biggest foreshadowing ever
I hope they go bankrupt. Fuck these people.
My wallet is certainly feeling $60 heavier, that’s for damn sure.
And then you see Ghost of Tsushima and it's gone again.
pindrop mine eyes hath seen the glory of the correct take
So heavy. I can feel the money dragging my pants down.
Vhailor Mithras 🤣🤣🤣
If someone sets up a Gofundme for the leaker, we should all give him our $60. He’s gonna need it...
This whole ten minute video was 1 billion times better story telling than the sequel to Zombie Mushroom Game.
heh zombie mushroom game
Disobedient Canine🤣
Zombie mushroom tip
That's cause it's based on a true story, or so i hear.
But pvz 2 actually a good sequel
"When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.”
- George R.R. Martin
That’s a pretty good quote.
@@artisbot1122 Especially when you consider that George RR Martin is a complete piece of shit.
Game of thrones is good but everything else he's written is complete garbage. And he has the ego to rip off J. R.R. Tolkien's name.
This comment thread went off the rails pretty quickly. I'm sorry, Mionir.
chitbong it’s not the characters we’re mad about, it’s how they are forcing them down our throats in a already established video game universe with characters we already care about and are attached to. i would have been fine playing as a gay ellie, but being forced to watch as a transgender woman who i barely know beat my favourite character to death with a golf club after he has survived years of the apocalypse and people attempting to kill him, that’s where i draw the line.
Funny how Mr. Woke gets his bonus but not the actual people that build the game.
"Funny" ha ha?
Or "funny" uh, oh?
:P
Yeah
Patrick Soderberg model
I liked this comment because its true and sad but also because you're at 69 likes now... nice.
really I read that the naughty dog devs did get a bonus from the virus situation
I can just see the articles now: "Fans HATE The Last of Us 2, and that's a good thing."
"The story of TLOU2 is actually genius, and here's why."
"TLOU2 is underperforming in sales, Gamergate and Nazis to blame."
Don't forget the high ratings from all the shill reviewers.
"Gamers HATE on The Last Of Us 2 and highlight the racism, sexism and homophobia in gaming culture"
Those are all the headlines tomorrow on Kotaku
@No Go not for THEM though.
The left facists believe that anyone who is not 100% of THEIR opinion is a racist/ Nazi/ evil human being.
And exactly this makes them fascistic.
@@blablabla9401
Exactly.
I worked with Amy at Crystal Dynamics and I have never met, before or since, such a creative, intelligent, and dedicated individual, to say nothing of her incredible storytelling talent. What happened to her at ND was an inexcusable crime. Lesson learned: The talented artists and designers who create monumentally successful (and profitable) work are always at the mercy of non-creative suits who have no fucking clue how to do anything but make fiction-based earning projections spreadsheets.
Art and science being attacked / hijacked by SJWs. Evetything ruined by the ballast of activism. And corporate suits liking ass for dollars which they don't get.
Amy is a legend in the game industry and a master story teller. It's sad those with their own agendas are having their time and kicked her out.
I would love to hear what Druckman said to have naught dog fire the writer who essentially made their company viable
It's sad that she ended up in CD tho, they're as woke and as socially backwards as ND nowadays.
Now this awesome woman needs to get her own company, imagine her own built world where no one c*ck blocks her creativity, and clearly Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics do not deserve such talent.
Hope you too are doing well on a company that actually respects you and their customers!
@@coacksenmayasse5771 She has her " own " company. Skydance new media and they recently announced they were working on a star wars game with Lucas Game :)
We need more women in games let's start by getting rid of one of the finest writers in gaming ( a women )?
Genius.
It's a female logic. Women hates each other...
@@Cyber_Kriss I think it's illogical, regardless of the sex. By firering this talented woman she showed the world that she really is just a person who wants to use woman and feminisn as a protection to shield herself and her work from criticism. If you go woke, nobody is allowed to criticise you. She doesn't care about woman or anyone else except herself for that matter.
@@Batman_the_bad_man Isn't that what every feminist is already doing ? I mean, shielding themselves with this (ridiculous) movement ?
@Anubis_X64 I'm not sure I'm really getting where you're coming from, but I also don't believe her to be a feminist, only someone who uses the ideology to further her own plans. And she appears to be less talented than the one she fired, right. Women are physically weaker than men, yes, I don't see the connection, but ok... And yes, the pandering to a certain groups of people, especially in video games and movies is annoying. I mean, you always have your target audience, but now days it feels like they are more thinking about how to include a maximum amount of "diverse" people in the movie/game than about the actual story.
@Big Ben she made the same story three times.
Careful now, Naughty Dog is attacking everyone at the moment.
They are acting like a cornered dog.
It’s just video on how to be an awesome game developer. Why would they shut this down?
@Cure4Living isn't it funny that these people never heard of the Streisand effect, especially since Barbara Streisand used to be a favorite of the LGBT+
what would you expect from a disobedient canine
This video is about Disobedient Canine. Neil Druckmann is from Naughty Dog. Those are two different companies, so Critical Drinker is safe.
All hail Amy Hennig, a TRUE independent and creative woman.
And one of the best writers
You could at least spell her name right.
I even tweeted her thanking for her work on uncharted. I AM A HALO FAN! LOL. Loved Last of us 1. 2 is ruined. Wont even bother with it. Rather wait for Cyberpunk 2077 and Halo Infinite.
@@siddhantkumar6513 I'm sure she really appreciates gestures like that. Bravo.
@@ninja-jin1038 well she deserves it.
Imagine tarnishing a whole reputation of a well known game company and slandering their fanbase, just to simp for a crazy lady who hates men...
It happened to Starwars so why not Last of Us as well? At least there were no Mary Sue's in the game
It happens everywhere, literally every movie, every tv show, every game... “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time is enemy action.”
@@albogypsy2842 100% hollywood agenda. california must be destroyed.
@@monkeyrobotsinc.9875 more like it's Woke people need to be launched into the sun. Cali is fine but the people in charge? Well they kinda make me wish they'd just get hit by cars.
The unfortunate thing is it still ended up selling incredibly well.
It properly split the fanbase down the middle, but still sold even better than the first.
Now there's a third being thrown around, with golden boy at the head of writing.
Fun fact: 70% of the team listed in the Uncharted 4 credits are no longer at Disobedient Canine
Think about that for a second.
That was the management fault and sony
Including the Most important, competent, and only countermass of Druckmann: Bruce "I am an Emo and Potentially suicidal" Straley
Getting flashbacks of Bioware, we all know how that played put
Uncharted 4 was lucky enough to be saved by a satisfying ending for Nathan Drake. But Joel......oh no.....
After reading the leak, I’m shocked and disappointed that 30% stayed.
If feminists like Anita Sarkeesian really believed women were equal to men, they wouldn't hijack successful male-oriented movies and games, they would make their own. It's amazing how UNCREATIVE they really are.
We all saw what happened with Brianna Wu's game...
Damn! 💯🔥
Modern feminism doesn’t strive for equality, they want more rights then men. Its honestly disgusting
@Jkd Buck76 we need some chemo bombs
That's because that woman is a loser, with no talent or respect for anyone else. You can never please someone like that, so it's best not to try
"So what if you are actually forcing an actual real woman out of her job in video games while claiming to champion fictional women in video games" This is a perfect hit, you are a true sniper, sir! So true, it hurts.
Reminds me of Disney
I literally laughed and cried a little at this part…
Been a fan of Hennig since I was a kid. The Soul Reaver series is magical to me. When I learned about the real reason Hennig was let go from Naughty Dog - because the company made am official, private declaration among staff that they're going to push Left-wing politics in their games and Hennig objected to this - it made me hate Neil Cuckman and love Amy Hennig even more.
The story was pretty kick-ass though if you don't go into it with a chip on your shoulder or blaming external factors for your romantic endeavours. But I digress. Maybe it was the right executive decision to restructure the writing team?
@@phattjohnson The story relies a lot more heavily on convenient contrivances than TLOU1's did, leaning more heavily on trying very hard to do things rather than the execution of said things. It very much seems like a lot of the writing team who were skilled at making more organic development have left, and that really kills the experience for all the folks who pick up on the blatant railroading.
There's a reason TLOU1 is universally praised as a masterpiece, but TLOU2 will go down as something very divisive, even after factoring out all the straight up bigotry.
I don't like this game for perfectly valid reasons, and I've been told repeatedly, and quite aggressively, that it's because I'm a misogynistic guy.
I'm not misogynistic or a guy.
@one one
My friend was told the same thing. Straight, white, cis male.
She's actually a Chinese/Filipino woman.
@one one CIS, that phrase annoys the shit out of me. How about "normal" white male?
I am a straight white male and make no apologies for it. The story and characters are uninteresting and nothing that I have not seen 100 times before. Many games and movies are becoming a platform to preach leftist ideology at the expense of entertainment value. It is not stunning or brave, it is just old and boring.
@one one Doesn't that make them racist for assuming someone's gender?
@@dakit79 Glad someone agrees Neil straight up copied Cesar's arc from War Planet of the Apes and Spider-Man 3s forgiveness plot
Troy Baker: "Keep an open mind"
Joel: *"Way ahead of you"*
Too soon...
...and it hasn't even happened yet.
@Anthony G Maybe foregoing the game entirely will prevent it from happening. It's a long shot, but might be worth it.
Razor High Flyer
Ouch. Man. Ouch.
@Anthony G Jesus dude, seriously?
I agree 100%
The crazy lady once said: "Everything is racist, Everything is sexist". And when everyone is racist/sexist.... Nobody is.
Well, at least she admits she's racist and sexist too. I mean, she's included in 'everything', so, I guess, let's follow her lead and POINT. IT. ALL. OUT.
Crazy Lady is sexist, Crazy Lady is racist, Crazy Lady is misogynistic!
Whats the name of this girl? I wanna slap the crap out of her
@@barneyladera523 best way to punish her is to forget her
@EramSemperRecta Nope. Everyone is. EVERYONE(In voice of Gary Oldman)
@EramSemperRecta Don't bring Trotsky into this. These people are not progressive, or left-wing, or even communist. They might say they are, but when have you seen them actually, dunno, promoting the welfare of the community? All I see them do is try to break everything that doesn't agree with them and their individual specific viewpoint. Trotsky was a product of his time, flaws and all, but these hypocrites don't have the guts to follow even outdated ideas and opinions.
"Your customers don't want this" ... He knows this, dear Drinker. He knows this all too well. The problem is he doesn't want his customers, he wants new and diverse customers. Customers who probably aren't even interested in computer games since they're completely preoccupied with their own identity and social acceptance.
I want to see them try and survive on the revenue from that minuscule 'target' market. Methinks he spends too much time on the Twitter circle-jerk and actually thinks it's an accurate depiction of the population.
I don’t think so. He wants the same customers as before... to be lectured at and taught a lesson by their moral superiors.
@@namelessjedi2242 Well, he has straight up said that he doesn't want "those people" playing his games.
It's sad
True... only the customers he wants don’t buy or play games.
More than twenty months later, this video is still absolutely spot on.
And for those who continue to accuse The Critical Drinker of misogyny or anti-woman biases, they're not really listening to his core message: uplifting female roles in media does not have to come at the expense of demolishing existing storylines, characters, narratives, and settings. Unfortunately, as TCD keeps pointing out, this is exactly what happens, and only because modern writers are too lazy and modern corporate producers too averse to risk.
That's one of the problems with TLOU2. It goes too far in this, awkwardly shoving representation in without fully adapting it to the setting. We end up with Lev's identity as a trans guy being so vital to his characterization that it basically means everything that happens to him (i.e. the death of his entire family) is a result of it, which didn't exactly hit well with everyone in the trans community. We end up with Dina accompanying Ellie not because she had ride-or-die bonds with Joel, Ellie, or Tommy before Joel's death, and not because she's a perfect party member for this kind of mission (in fact she's relatively sheltered for this kind of setting), but so she can be the Token Girlfriend.
The annoying part is that who & what they are doesn't need to change in the slightest - all they needed was better motivation.
Dina, because she's an inexperienced teenager going on a mass assassination mission (yeah, I know the plan is to rescue Tommy, but let's be real here), either needs something a LOT stronger than being Ellie's girlfriend for a couple days. Or she needs to be a lot more dumbstruck by the brutality of it all, a lot more fish out of water, allowing her fear and lack of skill/confidence to play against Ellie's determination.
Lev just needed more of a reason for everything to have happened besides "because he's trans".
Fuck me there's maybe 5-10 minutes of what you could call 'virtue signalling' in a game with a runtime of 20+ hours.. if you fail to see the themes of empathy and the human condition due to such insignificant character traits as gender or race then the problem is with YOU, not the medium.
Channels like TCD are contrarian by their very nature to attract clicks, yet a bunch of lonely individuals feel like it's a rallying cry to shit on next to anything and everything because 'mah masculinityz'
@@phattjohnson It's not really the "virtue signaling" itself that's the issue here. As you point out, it's not particularly overdone. Frankly, I think Ellie and Dina's relationship gets fairly close to the right amount of focus for this sort of story (if anything, it's kind of LACKING tbh), and while Lev's circumstances have always seemed a bit too strongly highlighted to me, that's not actually really a problem with him - besides the fact that he's a lot more of a secondary character than I'd expect to get that kind of spotlight, being the player's companion for only about two and a half segments in Abby's campaign.
No, the real issue is the lack of proper buildup and focus dedicated to major story elements like Ellie's immunity, or major story moments like Joel getting shot. Lev being trans has more of a direct impact on Abby's campaign than Ellie's immunity does on hers. In fact, Ellie's immunity is heavily downplayed by Naughty Dog, given how incredibly contrived it is for there to have been only one person in the whole world who could have engineered a fungal vaccine, and the man wasn't even a fucking fungal or vaccine lab specialist, but a surgeon. That's like expecting a Formula One racer to be the only person in the world who can repair a fighter jet.
Lev's circumstances as a trans dude are also... more central to his character arc than I'd expect? Obviously it's very important to him, but I mean, it's treated as the main catalyst for him and Yara to have fallen out with the rest of the Scars, when, say, a plotline about them AND their mother falling out with the rest because of the changes since the founder prophet died and how they believed in the "old ways" or something. A behind-the-scenes conflict like that is a really compelling, thought-provoking concept. Instead, it's mostly about Lev rejecting his designated role as a brood mare, making him less of a character who happens to be trans and more of a character to whom everything negative happens because he's trans. I'm cis, so I can't speak for trans folk, but I don't see why that was necessary, and I strongly believe the former would have been better. Keep the scenes where Abby just gets it, those were great, but he doesn't need to have to lose his mother and sister over it. Other than that, I think it's fine, it's just that his traits definitely got more attention than other, more central characters' did, and it's noticeable.
The lack of focus and time on aspects that are specific to this series, and the higher-than-expected focus on something like the religious extremism of the Scars through the lens of how they treat Lev, definitely lends itself to the feeling of ND worrying more about virtue signaling than the coherency of the plot. I honestly don't think they intended to uplift such aspects at the cost of demolishing the others mentioned, it's just a bit of a byproduct of not really knowing how to fully make use of and fully flesh out those other aspects.
The leaker is a hero, he exposed this dude toxicity.
The only toxic people are those hating on this game b4 its released
Badtanman
Mate the game is politically correct bullshit that is trying to push an Agenda.
Games shouldn’t be pushing any sort of Agenda just tell good stories and be fun. That’s it.
Stop trying to appease to a a demographic that don’t even play games.
@@user-og6hl6lv7p i am not hating the game, the guy that made the game is a asshole who bullied a Amy Henning out of her work. The woman responsable for this stuido success.
m_hicks12
Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy were still good games that were not too pandering.
I mean other than Nadine being a thing there isn’t much of a SJW agenda in those games.
@m_hicks12me too i did not follow the last of us or Naughty Dog news because i always assumed that they always make good games, until i said the Robingaming video about "naughty secret agenda", and he got bombarded by ND toxic fans, alot of people were blind and put this dude on a pedestal because of first game, but people now after seing this shitty game people have open their eyes to all the things this dude have done, that he bullied Amy Henning out of her job and that his running a propagandist political studio.
"Don't have such an open mind that your brains fall on the floor"
- Abraham Lincoln
Instructions unclear. Made head into a clamp.
Too much of an open mind is like to an open wound, and subject to infection.
I wasn't sure if this quote was from Lincoln or Kennedy.
The answer is Flex Tape.
Actual quote is g k Chesterton, who had lots of other good nuggets
God I'm old. I remember when it was only Japanese games that made you ask "is that a guy or girl?"
Ironically, Japanese media has the most good representation of strong female characters precisely BECAUSE they don't care about all that agenda-pushing crap.
They just make women powerful because it's cool or it makes sense, or both.
Just look at a similar-ish event in Hunter X Hunter: a character is depicted as being an absolute beast. He's one of the strongest people in the world and our protagonists follow him in hostile territory.
But just as they get close to the ennemy base, an unbelievably powerful ennemy attacks them and that powerful man gets abolutely annihilated and right after that, at the end of the episode, you see her with the man's severed head on her lap and she down right says "Hmmm... I might be a bit too powerful, haha"
I don't remember people bitching about that ennemy being female, because it made sense for her to be this powerful in universe.
I also remember when some journalist asked Yoko Taro why 2B was a sexy french maid and he answered
"I just really like girls".
And in the game she is never overly sexualised, she's just a damn good character.
People that stop at how she looks to dismiss the entire character (and the entire game for some) are the close-minded ones in my book.
It doesn't matter what the character is, just how it appears to be... It's about artificial representation, not about doing justice to those female characters.
I don't remember people getting mad at Horizon Zero Dawn for having a female protagonist.
And for me is proof that gamers don't care about the gender of their heroes.
Ladies and gentlemen, it's time to play everyone's favorite game show, "Dude or D¥ke!?"
I remember the good old days when strong female video game characters had big tits, wore skimpy outfits and actually looked like women.
And not because the character looked hideous...
William Hare lmao 😂
It's been said before, but the leaker is a hero without a cape who just saved lots of people 60 something bucks.
I like the first game. Not touching the 2nd 'homosexuality is cool game" ! i have spoken
67 and some change. And they better give me my motha fuckin change.
still gonna buy it though, but I appreciate his sacrificed career for saving eventually a lot of people 60 bucks,
I really hope all the people hating on it I just doing it for Internet points and not because it’s actually a bad story, i’m sure there’s some people who you think it is just a bad story but I feel like the majority is just hating on it because everyone is. Maybe it’s being drowned out by the hate comments but I haven’t seen a single positive comment from someone who seen the spoilers.
@@Skinned_fried_n_cut_up_potato I genuinely think it is going to be a bad story. I love the first Last of Us, it was like the first proper video game I played, but (if the leaks are true) they seem to sideline the important characters and alienate the original audience, disregard and disrespect the first game all in the name of 'girl power.'
They turned a zombie survival shooter into a really bad golf simulator
gives new meaning to the term 'unplayable lie'
I, too, saw that .webm
can't wait to land a joel in one
For a game that's trying to be woke reinforcing the stereotype about female golfers all being lesbians seems pretty bad
The militant wing of the LPGA
They need to make 'SIMPING WON'T GET YOU LAID' the lock screen at game studios.
More like "SIMPING WONT GET YOU PAID"
not even simping, just pandering
Yeah. Poor Druckman. He's barking up the wrong tree with Anita. He should have lowered his aim and gone for Zoe Quinn.
@@carlmanvers5009 maybe even he knows better than to go for a real life black widow.
"A Thot Experiment"
Just went full Hot Fuzz. Whenever you said "the greater good." I couldn't help myself but deadpan "the greater good."
THE GREATER GOOD.
The greater good
The Greater Good of the Tau
@@rhyscallinan4402 HERESY!
@@KingOhmni forgive my sins. I will pay in a holy crusade
To the developer at Disobedient Canine who made the leak: You’re not the hero we deserve, but the hero we needed. Godspeed, sir. Godspeed.
It wasn't a developer Sony confirmed it.
Jt Jose Yeah, they totally are still investigating because they knew who did it. Makes total sense
Cristo Alba With multiple builds at that shown in different clips, yeah, they totes have it under control.
@@tmerchead1 Are you an idiot
@@tmerchead1 if it wasn't real footage and real info then Sony wouldn't be abusing the copyright Strikes like crazy to try and hush it up. Yet again... Sony has sprung a leak and its sinking like the Titanic. 🤦♂️
Ellie : Why won't you die?
Abbie : Trannomachines, son!
Abbie : They harden in response to "patriarchy"
She could have played pro golf.
The real hero here, is whoever leaked the game.
Bravo to you sir, bravo.
Disobedient K-9 somehow managed the impossible, they made Zombie Mushroom Game Part 2 even worse than I could have imagined even after reading the leaks. The person who did the leak should have a statue made of them as they saved so many people many hours of frustration and $60.00.
See and that’s the worst part. The fully game is actually *WORSE* than the leaks suggested. Mega Yikes dude 😬
"Leaker guy was a hero, we just couldn't see it..."
He's the hero we both deserve and need
The leaker saved us $100 dollars if you’re in Australia.
@@PrivateLsd that's me pretty much
The trailer came out today and guess what, all of the ratings and comments are disabled. What a surprise.
And they're desperately trying to cover up the existence of 'Abby'. Too late.
And the trailer up in channels like IGN and Gamespot are getting the dislikes and comments deleted by the thousands.
Hey, it’s you....
they don't want spoilers or any indication of the leaks, why would they? be realistic
Just report it!
The last thing Joel heard before getting a golf club to the temple was "IT'S MA'AM".
Every time I hear “The Greater Good”.... I immediately see “Hot Fuzz” playing in my head.
Exactly my man.
i see you're a man of culture 😎😎😎
Same
Yarp.
The greater good?
"The greater good."
"The greater good."
"The greater good."
"The greater good."
"The greater good."
On r/LGBT somebody asked what we think of LGBTQ representation in videogames. I said if we are gonna be represented as dumb, bland, empty shells of characters (and gave the example of Ellie and dina from the last of us 2) then I'd rather we aren't represented at all. I was then told that I'm a straight white male and when i explained that in no way am i a straight white male, i was told that i have internalised homophobia. I wish i was joking but that's what i was actually told.
How dare you have an opposing opinion that's their logic
Well clearly those people that opposed you are Harvard graduate intellectuals, so they know everything. If I made a game, I would have LGBTQ representation but make those characters competent and deep.
And dare I say Lev was a better LGBT character than both Ellie and Dina in TLOU2.
You're not allowed to disagree with the cult, your reduced priviledge points only garner you a different reply from the npcs
It's incredibly stupid when people try to pretend everyone from a minority group is a monolith with the same opinions, but also, how is Ellie an empty shell lol, her lesbianism isn't at all a defining part of her character. Her story is far more about her survivor's guilt, PTSD, inability to let go of things and impulsiveness and how she lets her loved ones get hurt over her desire for revenge
"How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?"
😭
I still can't believe Assassin's Creed Odyssey exists
Only the GTA games remain untouched by gender politics...for now.
Feels great
Gears of War doing it with Kait Diaz. As for Halo, I imagine a lesbian Spartan takes over once she kills Master Chief with an energy sword.
Stop showing Sarkeesian's face. I'm eating.
I’d beat, she’s prob so easy, just drop some sjw terms and see those panties drop
@@TheFinalGate_ I didn't know you were into scat.
She's hotter than any girl you could get, nerd
@@user-og6hl6lv7p If that's your definition of hot, then ugly's fine by me.
AMEN BROTHER, AMEN lol
Drinker rolls up his sleeves and sorts out naughty Dog, sorry misbehaving canine! Brilliant video sir
Drinker gave it the Old Yeller treatment. Most glorious!
Disobedient Canine
Shhhhh! He's talking about a hypothetical!!!
I mean dumb a$$ bishes. Too volatile? 🤷♂️
More like he put down the JD
Rockstar 2019: *we can’t shake that Naught Dog, they are always right on our bumper!*
Rockstar 2020: *“where did they go”?*
They had to stop at a drugs store to pick up steroids for their main character that no one wanted.
Rockstar doesn't even need to compete with them they are miles ahead of them
@@trevorphilips9065 rockstar is a giant dumpsterfire for more than five years, they sued any and all bad reviews, not even concerning social problems, but just because they lost profit. But their parent company take two went completely bonkers with that idea with rdr2 and the new borderlands. They destroyed almost 20% of all western video game review websites by successfully demanding loss compensation from
arbitration boards for bad reviews. That company is cancer and many people treat them worse than activision or ea. And that means a lot, but taketwo interactive doesn't literally care, they even sued their nomination out of the top 10 2020 bad video game companies.
@@fatalityin1 Okay and? At least they don't have someone like little Neil
@@trevorphilips9065 No tolerance. That's response to your: Okay and?
Sixty bucks saved. There's no way I'm buying this insult.
Same special edition pre order canceled. Forgot trying to resell it for more money I don't want naughty dog to get my money
What are you on about mate? I saw a scene in a trailer where 2 women kiss... Up until the leaks I still held that it would be worth a purchase. Also eat my shorts.
@Mercedes Moonlight same.
@Vitruvius Antarchius it's ok, the moment I voluntarily chose to put this profile picture I accepted my fate.
everyone says this but noone remembers that games nowadays are 80$ plus for brand new
"It's not about money, it's about sending a message..."
*huge backlash*
"Everything burns!"
Dorian Green “or live long enough to see your self become a villain”
@Dorian Green Joel died a hero
@TheMBmulti
Any idea when these nut jobs gave their lives to Christ? xD
Yep gays stop at nothing to push their agenda. Give me an inch and they want everything. These things have no soul and are relentless.
@@realamericannegro977 lmao what a troll you are.. funny
"For the night is dark and full of misogyny" - The Red Sarkisian
How does anyone in the Gaming Industry not know Sarskeezyan kills games by now?
@@ironeagle9285 that is the same as asking why people buy into modern-day feminism in general or why people join {insert cult here}
Nothing says, "let's get our species through this zombie apocalypse" like sexual pairings that can't create offspring
As if the whole LGBT narrative even survives or is relevant in an apocalyptic scenario.
P sure humans rights stop existing after the zero hour. What a clown of a game
😂😂they can always adopt zombie children
its amazing how the first (and maybe only) person to be immune to the zombie virus is a person that wont create any offspring that could potentionally have a high chance of inhereting whatever it is that made them immune.
Lmao so true
🤣
Notice that Amy Hennig has laughter lines under her eyes.
Notice that Anita Sarkeesian has none.
Yeeeup.
That's because Sarkeesian wears so much make-up that if you were to wash it away all you'd have left is a screeching skeleton.
@@xxAntiOtakuxx 😂
Now that’s the kind of insults we need to be throwing at the feminists.
@xxAntiOtakuxx Haha! What a perfect description!
you know, I was JUST about to write that, when drinker showed Amy's photos, I didn't remember her looking this good, genuine and relatable. That makes her an attractive woman to me. Meanwhile, Anita looks fake as shit and cheap as hell.
If I were to go golfing with a guy named "Joel", and I happened to hit Joel with a club, would it be called a "Joel-In-One"?
I'm calling the cops
Can you not?
Joely-Moly! You're on to something!
He shouldn't have misgendered her
@J Jimenez Excuse me, but my joke is par for the course.
_"For the purposes of this video, let's call them... Disobedient Canine."_
Seventeen seconds in and I'm already dead. 😂😂 💀
I prefer Disobedient Asinine. No need to insult man's best friend by associating them with this sh*thole company.
@@ironeagle9285 good point. It's like associating feminazis with trash. Hey, even trash isn't that bad.
I've never seen a photo of Neil Druckman that didn't look like he was smugly enjoying the scent of his own fart
Neil Druckman was fried today.
... who doesn't?
Almost skipped this one because of the title, but then a voice in the back of my head said, "Naw it'll be fine".
. . . and it was.
Da Man,
Does NOT disappoint...
FFS why would anyone take advice from someone like Sarkeesian? She's already been exposed as a fraud and her video series wasn't even hard to debunk. It's been known for quite some time now.
And the "gender pay gap" has been consistently and comprehensively debunked since the notion was first squeezed out of a Marxist landwhale's hairy armpit. People still keep going on about it.
Feminism is a cult.
I genuinely cannot comprehend how fucking brain dead you must be as a business men to see a game like the last of us and think to do this to it, I cannot in any way shape or form imagine anyone in anyway possible thinking this was a good idea, you dont need to be a fucking Oracle to see that the entire story woildve killed the game
Haven't heard about her in a good while so I thought she finally crawled back into the void... she ever finish that series btw?
@@PorkFork Nope, she just abandoned the series when she got bored of it. She went back to talking about music, movies and tv shows. Because that's what she's actually interested in. Her channel is basically dead. Most progressives, feminists etc must have eventually realized that supporting her just made them look bad.
Because it's about feeling good because you're a good person, not facts. People want to feel part of something bigger than themselves, a cause. It's a faction, an identity, a mission and basis of self-esteem. Just what the doctor ordered for someone stupid enough to be religious in a post-religion setting.
Its okay to be white, male, heterosexual, masculine, and heroic.
Edit. Thanks for the thumbs up's guys :) Never had so many.
Im black ...african and i support that comment with all my heart
My female ass says abso-fucking-lutely
NOT IN THE LAST OF US PART 2
#canceldruckman
Also okay to be feminine, something ND apparently finds insulting
It's also ok to be a not boring , blank, unoffensive, fat and gender neutral character without any meaning in the story.
Being gay isn’t a personality and its not something to be proud of, it's not a accomplishment.
I mean they don’t listen they just call u a bigot
So having the courage to be yourself even if it's frowned upon isn't sth to be proud off? Don't apply your generalising logic here, because it doesn't work
@@elpeluca7780 No, there's nothing wrong with being yourself so long as you don't scream about it every few seconds. Most people don't give a shit about who you sleep with, nobody should be known for being "that one gay person" in a group. People want to know you for who you are, your gender, sexuality, race, nationality, ethnic group shouldn't be the *main thing* people recognize you for as a person. I recognized Ellie because she was a kid trying to survive in a fucked up world where it's dog-eat-dog out there with Joel.
Oh? She's lesbian?
...
Cool. So long as that's not the only reason you like her for or the only reason as to WHY she is there in the first place, then it's alright to have these kinds of characters be in videogames.
@@xoschohoko2327 well, I was referring to the pride parades. I actually agree with what you last said. It's frustrating to see gays or ppl of an ethnic group where their personality is being a walking stereotype in medier
@@a-ha4940 you are my fockin problem fool. Wtf does that even mean?
These companies are just hell bent on financial suicide...taking creative advice from Anita Sarkeesian is like taking medical advice from Gwyneth Paltrow.
l have no idea who Gwyneth Paltrow is but am sure you made a good joke
@@3143-q4o search goop
@@SoftSpokenShank ah l see thanks for taking the time to tell me
@@3143-q4o can confirm it was a good joke
Oh no, they're going to need Mineralised spring water with lavender crystals for that burn. Only $105.99 from GOOP.
“I hope She sees this bro”
Oh she sure did, we all did.
Hey let's not mis-gender. Maybe it's a "zhe" for all we know lol
Unlikely, she doesn't even allow comments on her videos because "harassment" I doubt she'll watch a video that is openly critical of her, even if her name isn't explicitly stated.
@Shepard You got that right bro!!!! 👊
Hey Naughty dog...its not too late to change the name to "they laugh at us 2."
Hehehe me too good one :)
Terrible paulsey 😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂
"Disobedient Canine" LEGEND
“EXCUSE ME ITS MAAM”
*Bashes golf club into head*
Poor Joel ;-;
The future IS female!!
I for one embrace our new protagonist. A gender master who has caught every pronoun known to man.
南京大虐殺の計算2937 we stan the pronoun princess
We had a long journey with Joel and he became one of my favorite characters because his story and relationship with ellie is deep but to be killed off for such a ridiculous reason is just sad
Amy Hennig is one of the best writers in gaming, I really wish she could have worked on more of the Kain/Soul Reaver games
Best games ever.
I'm still waiting for a prologue after that bitter taste of hope.
Naughty Dog: “So you see, Amy, that it’s for the benefit of all women, trans people, people of color, and others that we make these changes and consult with Anita. Our games will be a benchmark of change for the future. They will-“
Amy: “Let’s drop the moral posturing, shall we? We both know there’s no altruism in this pursuit!”
Things you need to worry about in a zombie apocalypse:
3. Food and water
2. Staying alive
1. Remembering the alphabet
LGBTQILMNOPSRTWXYZ
What?
I thought number 1 was protection/weapons
hormone therapy will be a top priority in an apocalypse
And going to the gym, lack of exercise is going to be one of the main threats of the zombie apocalypse!
As an Armenian myself…I’d like to apologize for the existence of Sarkissian 😢😅
I’m just gonna pretend The Last of Us Part 2 never happened, and that Joel and Ellie lived happily ever after in Jackson for the rest of their lives
Daniel B my guy this is what is called ignorance they portrayed her as gay for a very long time but you still wanna 14 year to grow up forget her lesbian self and get married in a zombie apocalypse ? You are crusty as fuck Joel is a terrible person you all should have seen a depressing outcome happening
Moonlit Eyes Who would’ve seen this coming? Tell me can we fucking predict the future? Also no one fucking said they were ignoring the sexuality of Ellie which was NEVER addressed. Who gives a fuck if someone is just saying she found a guy and had kids with them, because they probably don’t know if she is lesbian and if they knew it’s still a simple statement. And how is Joel a bad person? Oh because he kills people! Who would’ve thought that you have to kill in a apocalypse. And who would’ve knew that the entire story of The Last Of Us is about Ellie and Joel’s relationship and not what Joel did before they meet.
Here here!
@@cybernerdcreations4475 bruh, he massacred the Fireflies and doomed humanity to be without of cure for the infection because he saw Ellie as his surrogate daughter.
He, at the very least, is even more selfish than the Fireflies leader. Joel would at least, thematically die, for his lie to Ellie.
Anyways, I'll be cautiously optimistic about the story. The Naughty Dog dev posted a vid about how he himself cried towards the story and I personally am somehow able to enjoy "trash" more easily than other people so eh.
Exultant Blade in the game they said that it was far from guaranteed they could get a cure from Ellie IIRC; there were others before her who died for nothing
The irony of this video is that "Disobedient Canine" is a much better, cooler, and fun sounding name for a company.
Drinker should trademark that name. He could make some good coin off of it.
Who else wants to set up Disobedient Canine studios?
nah
@@arnowisp6244 Imagine someone doing just that and ending up with huge resources and releasing big hit games made with no SJWs in sight.
Sony and Druckman a.k.a. Cuckman would be pissed :D
Glorious Feline
I wil add this to the things that were great but then sucked:
* Game of Thrones
* Star Wars
* Westworld
* The Last of Us (Requested by comments below)
* Ghostbusters
* Terminator
* Predator
* Star Trek
* Dr. Who
* Mass Effect
* Sillent Hill
* Battlefield 5
* Comic industry
* Metal Gear
Right!?!??!?!
Mass effect......R.I.P.
Prepare to add The Witcher and The Mandalorian to that list. Trust me, these people can’t be trusted. Season 2 will bring the sjw elements now that they’ve hooked people with season 1. Mark my words.
Peyton Alexander I hope they don’t ruin the Witcher Netflix series or the last avatar show that they’re planning on making
Oh westworlds decline was painful
This man is like the drunk brother that talks to you about philosophy and tells you to go away when he’s done
Yeah it's what you'd call his schtick.
Thank god that was just a hypothetical. No company could truly be that stupid.
You've heard of naughty dog?
@@arisu7397 it's sarcasm.
@Friedhelm Winter sarcasm: "hello there."
@Hara Isbara lol
@@somerandoasshatontheintern8337 ik
The Last of Us 2 brought down by a pandemic. Oh the irony.
only people who believe government is their God believe it's a pandemic
I’m glad that guy leaked this dogshit story. Saved me $60.
That's one of the reasons I don't mind spoilers. These days, I'd rather be forwarned and save myself the waste of money if it turns out to be another agenda driven piece of garbage.
Agreed. The guy is a hero.
Absolutely
Yeah how d'you feel in investing that 60$ into Cyberpunk 2077, my fellow gamer? :)
@@bm_m4in215
Yup! That game looks to be good. Definitely picking up Ghost of Tsushima as well.
Years later and I’m still incredibly pissed off about what happened to my most beloved game…
Isn't it funny how much we loved Ellie because she was a strong character and now we will hate her because some SJW writer will try to maker her a strong FEMALE character?
It would be funny... If I wasn't getting used to it by now.
That just proves that SJWs can't write shit, but we all knew that...
Hell, just look at Marvel. They were busier writing angry tweets than writing comics, and now they're surprised that they don't have any money left.
@@DonVigaDeFierro can't expect writing ability from people so creatively bankrupt the only way they can actually send their message is hijacking franchises and pumping them full of blatant pandering and preaching, can we?
The Coffee Nut exactly, they are making her extra.
what nonsense are you spouting here. Nobody is taking issue at Ellie being a strong character or even if they made ellie the main protagonist of the 2nd game ( which they didn't). go virtue signal somewhere else u turd.
I'll just pretend TLoU2 doesn't exist and believe Joel and Ellie are chilling at Tommy's dam
Well, not exactly sure how chill Joel could be with that firefly-shaped sword dangling over his head...but I guess we'll never find out now, will we???
@@joshyoder871 Nah. Joel effectively beheaded the Fireflies by killing their incompetent leader. And the Fireflies are so inept and incompetent none of them would make it to the dam without getting eaten by zombies or shot by government forces. And finally, if they DO make it, "Abs" and her gang would also have to deal with a pissed-off Tommy and his militia in order to reach Joel and Ellie, who'll also most likely even join in the defense effort.
Good thinkin
EA: We are the worst!
Bethesda: No I Am
Naughty Dog: *Hold My Soy Latte!*
Another circle-jerk.
disobedient canine*
Hold my leaks could work too
Never thought I'd see the day someone saying Naughty Dog is worse than EA. Wow...
Naughty Dog: Hold my golf club*
I love this channel a lot. During one of my corporate meetings I unintentionally said "That's all I've got for today" and then restrained myself from saying "go away now"
Simping actually killed not only this man's whole career, but his whole company 🤣
It wasn't his company.
You'd have to be a special kind of pathetic, throwing your entire career away just to simp for Anita.
OK here I go, “that’s too bad,”,what do you think a little too much. LOL
@@LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME She gotta be using some evil spells because no sane or healthy person would associate with her madness
@@LOWBORN-the-LOATHSOME Anita Dickens??? She should try a nice warm Dicken's Cider they advertised it works same way Snickers works.
This is the game my wife's boyfriend wants me to play.
Is she a lesbian?
Morpheus wait what
HAHAHAHA! i hope you're joking
He probably pre-ordered the "Ellie" edition for you, and billed it to your credit card.
Hold up.
The Ma'am of Us: Scissored Edition
Eddie Luis 🤣🤣🤣
DAMN! SAVAGE BUT TRUE.👍🏻
Kill the best character - kill your whole reputation
Rapture and everlasting heavenly glory to the magnificent SOB who leaked it.
Seriously, those base levels are off the charts. The madlad could of just leaked pics or storylines, but this crazy bastard just says fuck it and fuck this and just put it all out there, effectively putting a nail in the coffin of his former company. I can only hope to destroy something I hate like this man did.
it was ex worker at Naughty Dog that leaked it, they were fed up with company and terrible crunch
BigBrotherMateyka Valhalla awaits this good Sir. I doff my digital cap to thee.
@@kyotheman69 Actually that's confirmed to be bs very recently. People are believing every made-up story they read on the internet.
For reals. The ex-employee is a big damn hero.
The beating of everyone's favorite character with a golf club, was a metaphor of Druckmann beating the life and soul out of Naughty Dog.
The guy who leaked everything is a goddamn hero.
Just hope the woke virus haven't infected CP77 and Ghost of Tsushima.
They've already tried with cp77 and failed miserably.
Thomás Carlotto they have female characters that are strong in cyber punk but it appears they act normal and it isn’t forced about the gender
At least Doom: Eternal didn’t go down this path.
@@sandman7826 im polish and well actually yes
You pick your pronoun in CP77, so, you know.
It took me a WAY too long to realize that “disobedient K-9” is “Naughty Dog”.
Whaaat? No way.
next you will be telling me "zombie mushroom game" is actually real.
Oof
Hell man, me not being a big gamer i thought the whole thing was satire until i googled naughty dog and found out it's a real company. that was in the last half of the video
That's like saying we don't understand what "Dude Raider" means!
F*cking Lara Croft wannabee!
Amy Henning worked on the story for the _Legacy of Kain_ series.
She's earned more respect from that work alone than any of these blue-checkmark, danger-haired fart-sniffers will ever see in their entire lives.
Legendary game. The first
"We need more women in the game industry! Unless they disagree with the male feminists, then kick em out"
The disrepectful manner she was treated by both ND and EA is unacceptable. This talented lady deserves better.
@@ML-tr1hz the beta male plague in a nutshell...
I'm glad this shitshow means people are finally talking about Amy Hennig again. She was done so dirty all because she said she didn't have trouble succeeding in the video game world as a woman, contrary to the narrative.
I'm not even a fan of TLOU and I'm shocked by the careless handling of the protagonists.
Yo the main man himself is here
Same man, same
Ellie becoming the main protaginist was a natural progresssion from the original game.
This was set up by the aging Joel teaching Ellie everything he knows and playing as Ellie in the third act.
@@MajorBubbled I think that's fine. I am referring to the treatment of a certain character based on the spoilers. And the consequences there of
@@MajorBubbled agreed was an inevitable shift for the second game, also makes sense he would die in the next game pretty obvious way to create motivation for Ellie to do something (although it's shocking you won't see what that ends up being till part 3)
Ellie’s personality in the first game: immature but plucky, determined and resourceful adolescent
Ellie’s personality in the sequel: girl lesbian
Ye ellie was a fun determined kid, now they've just turned her into a bland powerful lesbian female with fuck all personality, its not like she was stuck in the wild the entire time, she should be more like a female Nathan drake maybe a lil bit more serious ygm.
@@lunasa4387 You didn't even played the game to say this, and she was revealed as a lesbian in the first game already
@@GuilhermeRodrigues-wj9ps Yes and she had other personality traits beyond being a lesbian they didn't beat you over the head with it repeatedly.
@@GuilhermeRodrigues-wj9ps No. She was revealed gay in the DLC. There is a difference.
@@GuilhermeRodrigues-wj9ps I've seen the cutscenes she seems so bland
As Twain noted: "The only difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to be credible." We be outs our minds!
thats a great line, hadnt heard it before
@@ipanesm It is. Thx. Shrugged off until becoming a hack writer later in life and damn! The work there vs reality. Our world script today is so far beyond absurd noone WOULD believe w/o witness. Stand by!
Entertainment companies: "We don't need you, fans. You're bad people."
Fans: "Ok."
*business fails miserably*
Entertainment companies: "BUT WHY"
Dude no. It's because everyone else is the problem. Doesn't matter they are throwing scenarios that literally don't exist in any universe.
Benaiah Sampson Benker If going BUT WHY is all they're doing it's still okay, funny even. We can take turns laughing at them. But then they woild also blame the very core audience their products is targeted to and making money from AFTER antagonizing them, by then it's just frustrating to see.
Entertainment companies: HOW DARE THEY NOT LIKE OUR PRODUCT! *inserts -ism of choice here *
Even better, they'll then blame the people they've previously insulted for their failure.
Rinse and repeat, they think we'll eventually surrender to their agendas if they keep doing this
Guys, please stop posting so many hate comments about this game...I can't like all of them !!
Not gonna lie.. you had me in the first half!
I support disobedient k9
😂
USE YOUR THUMBS!!!
YOU'RE A GAMER DURING RONA!!!
YOU TRAINED FOR THIS SCENARIO YUR WHOLE LIFE, SOLDIER!!!
You got in me in the first half, not gonna lie
The Last of Us 2
Critics Score: 98% ("Stunning and brave!")
Audience Score: 11% ("I think I've been robbed.")
Wait for it...
Wrath Oranos you already know it's going to happen
Wrath Oranos The only Review that will only matter is Angry Joe... Idgaf about any other
@@ZACLAND21 Angry Joe is shit.
Get ready for the response to that as well - "it failed because of the misogynistic toxic male fanbase".
To be fair, few AAA releases get below the mid-80's. That's game reviewers for you.
If you look at Neil’s face from a certain angle, he kind of looks like Onision.
Kinda terrifying, actually.
I don't see it
“Disobedient Canine”
I’ve found my new name for ND. Thanks, Drinker.
Heath Ledger's Joker voice: "It's simple...we don't buy the game."
"If you are good at something, never do it"
@@sjoerdjonker6372 For free.
@Vean Studio Hahahaha
These game/movie companies make these decisions even though they don't prove financially sound. Oh right, "It's not about the money. It's about sending a message".
Heath Ledger's Joker voice: "Its simple..... we kill the crazy lady." Hehehehe
1st game.
Ellie is a wise cracking passionate but excited and sweet girl who started out hopeful but assaulted by gritty realism of the world as she learned to kill and harden
2nd game.
Ellie is gay
And:
Abby is swol
And:
Joel is a golf tee
Every Game: Ellie is shit
Not only gay, but a homewrecker where the other chick is pregnant... I guess we missed that detail when they were shagging and Jessie walks in.
She’s been gay though. . .
@@gimpscam9976 i know. that wasn't my point. my point was that in the first game it is only a preference. a sliver that adds to her make up and it played nothing in her character development in the first game. in the second game thats like half the story. focusing on a 3 word sentence. instead of confronting joel about lying or some other issue. like maybe she's grown accustomed to murdering and enjoying it. but nah. she's just gay. and it looks like she and Joel are close meaning she doesn't find out or its swept under the rug.
Remember when naughty dog use to known for games like crash bandicoot and jak and daxter? Those were to good days... now they're known for this mess...
Yeah, I'd even take the first Uncharted trilogy over TLOU2.
@@NexusKin the first uncharted trilogy? They are all good what do you mean.
@@magicaljohnson6544 apparently 4 which is shown in this vid
No one want's to play as a well written relatable character like Joel. People want to play as an angry vengeful lesbian.
Angry and vengeful is sort of redundant,lesbian will do just fine.
@@DerichndofCoomland Gold
I think Joel might have been a little too relatable. I didnt think the first one was all that great, but I think a lot of the positive word of mouth was from middle aged white guys pretending it was a daughter simulator, and were all weepy and mawkish about the game b/c of that.
@@pete3011 IMO it's an interesting story with 2 good characters. But the gameplay is god awefull,like all ND games.
In short a good but highly overrated game,like all ND games.
@@pete3011 Hmmm you seem to have some kind of bias against white dudes of the middle aged variety, no?
Neil Druckmann: We don't use the word"Fun" in our games
The Reggie: games are fun. If it's not fun, why bother?
I would never describe movie Grave of the Fireflies as fun but I still love it.
@@Venserql It might not be "fun", strictly speaking, but it's entertaining. And that's exactly why we read books, watch movies or play games.
And look at where these mentalities have got these companies now. Nintendo is still one of the most beloved and respected companies in gaming with a massive library of timeless games. Naughty Dog are crashing and burning, and their recent "cinematic" games, although trendy now, will feel dated as hell in the near future.
basically Death Stranding, whoever excuses it poorly crap infesting clusterfuck of a gameplay supports game development to evolve backwards..
@mc finn I'm gonna be a bit of an elitist now, if you don't mind. Most games are made to be fun, so at the end of the day we can sit down and enjoy ourselves. Now there are games that don't fit that mentality, games that don't provide strictly "fun", but instead challenge and consequently satisfaction, for example Dark Souls.
Now these "not-for-fun" games have to be enjoyable gameplay wise and their story must be able to support this if not enhance.
Only really good games are allowed to be "not-for-fun" and that's a big fucking risk to take.
The ending of TLOU was perfect imo and giving it a sequel was highly unnecessary.
Nah a sequel would've been amazing but they put out this shit
Dumbass it made over 1 billion. More than 99% of films and games. A sequel was wanted. I wanted one. But not buying this. And we paid for it!
sad thing is a Sequel exploring alternatives to deal with the angry fungus zombies in a desperate search would of made a nice tale....
I disagree with the comments below, the story was about this relationship was perfectly told, and this is the problem about capitalism, if it makes alot of money the idea is to capitalise on it, but the story was told perfectly, you cannot expand on that area better. However for arguments sake you could have made a game that focused on the years between what happened at the out break and how society fell apart, a whole world of different possibilities.
When you begin to play with a relationship that from the first game that reached a dramatic plot point where heavy emotions were left unanswered, well you love it for that exact reason, because your mind trys to find the answer of what came came next, however never ever has a sequal that finished in such a intense state done justice to a story of a relationship like theirs.
What the fuck is wrong with people not being content with a perfect piece of story. Leave it there, stop projecting your theory's online because the reality is that the makers never get it right in the next game, you yourselves are to blame, to me I was always content with how it ended, I knew there would. Be consequences and heart ache, but I didn't need to know how that plays out. It's like knowing your partner cheated and you sit them down and force them to tell you bit by bit everything they done and with who and why, it's torture, why do it?
Just walk away.
One and done seems like a filthy way to live.
If they wanted to they could have created an anthology of characters in the night of when the outbreak happened from alot of different perspectives and see what gels.
Ellie and Joel's moment was just that, a moment, and should have been left right there.
@@hanniffydinn6019 People wanting a sequel doesn't mean it's *needed*
Neil Druckman had similar ideas to the last of us part 2 for the first game.
These ideas were rejected.
From know on, to me, Naughty Dog is Disobedient Canine.
RanMouri82 now*
You should have more likes for that comment! 😂
@@bingram2011 WoW UNDERATED CoMEnT!?!??
so that was the whole video all about!
More like Bad Dog
Naughty Dog HQ hologram: "You may notice a SLIGHT change in the environment. But don't worry, it's all part of the plan!"
That sounds familiar! XD
If you stay a little longer, the hologram says new lines: "The cleansing of positive male characters is a necessary step on a path for a more diverse tomorrow."
Being gay isn’t a personality
It's like saying, "I'm not like other girls." Lol
‘sees general sam’
Ah I see you have great taste in youtubers
Nor is it something to be proud of, it's not a fucking accomplishment.
That is the reason why i'm against diversity in media, not because I don't want diversity, but because the media can't write characters with any subtlety anymore. Oh If they are gay that IS their personality. Remember when the most important thing about Luke Skywalker was the fact he is straight? me neither.
A character who is interesting and also happens to be gay is one thing, but a character who is gay and only gay is about as interesting as a block of wood. a gay block of wood.
“hey I’m gay and not straight cool right that’s pretty much all there is to me.”
I hate so many fucking standpoints where being anything but straight is a focal point of something, even someone’s life, like it’s a fucking accomplishment as someone said.
Congrats. You found your place in life. Doesn’t mean that should be what affects entire discussions or media.
My favourite disobedient canine game is the rest of them