What makes this guy arguably the GOAT is a diagnosis like this and the fact he can also cut a rusted nut off a bolt with a torch and not screw up the threads and he is funny and honest and shares all this stuff with the common folk.... A legend...
One these days ill have money again and this is first place I'm gonna contribute. This dude has remarkable recall and I would suspect Mr. O Is close to genius level intelligence.
As a former HD Truck/trailer technician, I can really appreciate your point to point diagnostics and your explanations. And you explain it in a layman's terms. Thanks for wonderful, informative videos.
Good diagnostic path Eric O scan data can throw you off if you rely on it definitely looks like the cam pid went dead when the cam codes set 21:27 @South Main Auto Repair LLC
Blinker fluid can be expensive don't you know? Some vehicles have sensors built into the tail light and if the unit gets water in it costs over $5k for a damn tail light because it now communicates with the entire system of the vehicle. It no longer is just blinky blinky or flash on flash off.
I bought one of those brake lights that goes in the reciever hitch of a vehicle. From the get-go I got a message that my left trailer light was malfunctioning and would have the rapid flash turning left. Figured it was a defective unit and besides it had the back-up light feature I had to hard wire so I got a standard read light one and the same issue. I checked around and turns out the unit is wired only to the right tail light so the car computer thinkks my left trailer light is out giving me a message over and over my tail light is out on my trailer. Knowing what I know sometimes the blinker will work normal but most times it will blink faster than normal and I may just unplug it.
I would have like the cover pulled to see the actual problem. Your adapting well to the increased electronics they're adding to these engines. You have become a expert diagnostician! The other shops know this too!!
No Eric, you can do it, i can't. A person would need more than a casual experience to understand how these systems work, then interpret what the data means, providing you had the equipment. These cars have reached a point, where the average shade tree mechanic can install the easy parts via the parts canon. if the canon shot didn't hit the target, you can only hope the garage that you selected is as good a you.
This guy says he didn't do so well in high school. And here it turns out he's a super-genius. And he would deny that but its true. What really seals the deal is that he's a great teacher and as near as I can tell he's a super human being. My favorite channel on TH-cam
Your diagnostic skills are always impressive but sometimes your understanding of modern engine technologies is even more so. I looked at a new Kia hybrid yesterday but watching this makes me want to start looking for a couple 60s and 70s cars and buy something I will understand and be able to work on like the old days. Modern cars make me feel so inadequate. Your customers are so lucky to have you.
Great video. I was never a big scope guy back when I was working. After watching your videos (about 4 years now) I wouldn't get back on the floor without one. It saves a bunch of time (comp. tests alone) and with the A,S wave stuff is very affordable...🤓
Sad too that Kia has made hundreds of thousands of cars and this fault probably has raised its head many times, but will they let the public know? Thanks Eric for you most enlightening and entertaining work.👍
Been watching for years. I've picked up a lot of diagnostic practices from this guy. I know it's saved me and my customers money over the years. Imagine if this customer brought the car in before unloading the parts cannon.
The way you say "You/We can clearly see"... Idk why but it triggered a memory... In The Princess Bride, Vizzini and Westley are having a battle of wits and Vizzini repeatedly says "clearly" many times during his thought process. This just reminded me of that! 👍👍😂
Shocker: the codes, which are made to tell you when the cam is out of time, told us the cam was out of time 😂 Good video, brother! Keep up the great diags. Im Learning every day!
It's amazing to see you're getting 100k+ views on your vids just a few hours after posting, that's more than the whole population of Steuben County, Your content and editing keeps getting bettter and better, keep it up Eric, 1M subs are around the corner big milestone ahead. Kudos!
As a KIA technician... there's also an issue with the camshaft dowl pins getting too far into the camshaft and causing the cam gear to rotate. These usually produce a camshaft correlation code. The only fix is to replace the whole cam, the adjustable gear, and of course, at that point, change the timing belt and tensioner. The wholes for the dowl were machined too deep and allowed the pin to sink too far into the cam. They don't quite sheer off, but they deform and kinda bend sideways. I learned this from one of the Master KIA techs.
When other shops just can`t figure it out, they send the vehicle to South Main Auto so Eric can figure out what in the thunder is going on. As usual, Prof. O. never disappoints. And explains it so we who know enough to get our butts in trouble, can learn. Thanks Prof. O.
The fact that you verify your diagnosis sets you apart from a LOT of techs. It's amazing to see how many parts-cannon cars you get to work on. Now I will ask this question again (someone out there should be willing to answer it): How can a shop/mechanic charge the customer parts & labor for a job/problem that they did not fix? If I hire a plumber to fix a leak & he replaces parts that don't fix the leak - why should I be expected to pay him?
Eric, Thanks for the insight! What about closure? How am I supposed to sleep at night not knowing if it actually fixed it. I mean I trust you more than any mechanic I ever knew but at least tell us? We trust your honesty!
Would it have been an interesting idea to scope the solenoid control signal? Your videos are great, I hope you do not loose interest in posting new ones!
@@SouthMainAuto I think also a measurement with 2nd vvt solenoid unplugged would have been good because we saw the values read 0 for either unplugged. Maybe if the one bank stays locked the retard of the chain would be slightly be more or less retarded (compounded problem vvt gears i think they wear out a lot on hyundai / kia. ) I 100% agree with the diag though... the covers have to come off regardless. Hopefully not multiple components plus chains. $$$$$
I dare say unless the customer is a TH-cam fan of SMA (in which case they would have brought it there in the first place), the customer will never know it left the other shop. They will just add whatever they paid Mr O to diag it (plus double it for profit) to the customers "Diagnostic Fee."
Hey Eric! Our '06 Sonata with the big 3.3 six was in the shop almost when it was new for upgraded cam chain tensioners, and Ed the mechanic said one cam was off, and that was when the car was a year or two old. This is my first and last Hyundai.
Ed Sutton ? Ed’s a great guy will tell you the truth and if he can or not fix it only ever had one problem he couldn’t fix at the time one of the good guys
As a diesel mechanic and having one of these vehicles in my family I really appreciate your hard work and showing and explaining your steps in diagnostics 👍🏼
CSI Eric on the Kia. I am a consumate learner and I appreciate your ability to help me understand at my novice level. Thanks again. I did a complete head gasket kit repair on my wife's 1998 Buick Century. Took 2 days..heard the eords in my head.. " if i can do it, you can do it"..and yes it runs awesome..thanks
Got to love the parts cannon before even diagnosing the real problem. That’s why they all come to you Eric. You will diagnose the problem before repairing it.
The PID will drop from scan data because the reference voltage signal has open circuit too. Without reference voltage no valid data, if reference is provided.
What reference voltage? Eric unplugged the phasor solenoid not the camshaft sensor. If a reference voltage or +5V supply is involved, it's in the sensor circuit, and that was still connected.
As a Kia technician, we seem them all the time. The 3.8 in the Cadenza had a recall for the timing chain guides and tensioners. Same engine in the other v6 applicable cars, but only the Cadenza got the recall. Granted the rest of the fleet has this happen well out of warranty. Cadenza chains were popping from the truck 😅
You are the best diagnostic technician on TH-cam. Scanner Danner, diagnose Dan are close but every time I watch one of your videos I learned something new and not only about vehicles but about logical thinking as well. Do you have any other channels that you would recommend as far as teaching goes? Thank you.
When something throws that many cam timing codes and has a chain, its almost certainly a stretched timing chain or broken guides. Super common problem on multiple engines. Stretched chains are not always noisy. Typically, if you want less chain wear, change the oil at decent intervals, not the bullsh1t 15,000km's /10,000 miles.
My daughter has a 2021 Kia Seltos with about 70,000+ miles. She bought it new. Her engine light came on and the car stalled but restarted. She took it to her usual shop and they said it was showing codes P000b and P0017 and should go to the dealer. She brought it to the dealer, and they found the exhaust cam phaser was loose. It must have also damaged the cam because they replaced both the cam and the phaser. They also replaced a couple of oil seals. The work was done under warrantee at no charge to her. Her car is running great again. She got lucky it was still under warrantee. It was the first trouble she had with the car.
I agree, but she won't trade it right now. She's old enough to make her own choices. I'm sure she will trade it when it starts costing her money. lol @@vicarod
Funny, the one I just repaired last week was the solenoid failed. It ran so bad that one bank misfired and flashed the money light like a Christmas tree light. 1,3,5. Connectors blew into pieces once touched also of course, adding to the drama. But it's all fixed now. 1 solenoid can be snuck out, the other nope. Glad you got this one sorted out too!
@ 00:38 I like how you gave historical information a thoughtful but quick review and then moved on to perform your own assessment. @21:33 "...fixing a mechanical problem with cam timing or replacing the engine." I bet the other shop recommends engine replacement simply because that seems like the skill set available at that shop based on prior work product. Hope that shop recommends you to fix the mechanical cam timing issue.
As an advanced tech for Toyota I’m not mainline so I don’t do much with diags. I do brakes, tires, certain repairs, aglinments, some diag not much, and other minor things but one day I wanna be mainline and your videos are a world of knowledge getting me prepared so I Thankyou for the videos
Another Great Video. Hope the original shop gives you credit for being able to figure out the timing problem when they present their findings to the customer. Also, must be nice to know that other shops look up to you to figure out things they can't figure out. Love your video keep them coming!
Another total explanation of the problem. Eric is always right on. I've been watching a couple yrs now. Very much enjoy and Ivan at pine hollow in Pa which is where I'm from. Both these guys are super straight up. I would send my car here if I had too😊
Agreed, wouldn't we all. Not having to worry about being taken to the cleaners. Honest mechanics who know what they are doing. Hard to come by these days with how complicated these engines have become.
I have a Toyota with same problem. Took it to a master Toyota mechanic. He replaced the cam sensors so fast it was like getting an oil change. Car runs like a champ now.😊
This is a lot bigger problem than sensors. A layman could probably replace cam sensors just as fast as your Toyota tech. Not sure why you are impressed with that simple job.
Love the channel. I wonder if you had zoomed in the time scale (for more accuracy) if the scope would have measured closer to the 25 degrees reported by the ECM. Hope we get to see you open up the cover and fix it.
I have a 2015 Kia Soul Exclaim. It has 90K miles on it and I’ve been having trouble with it for over 10K miles. Got a new transmission, new spark plugs. They told me the last three oil changes (I get done every 3K miles) that I burned just under a quart each time - but that was normal - that I had to burn OVER a quart each oil change to be considered for an engine replacement. Some time ago - I did get that software update and they told me that increased my warranty to 150K miles, instead of 100K - but it was only on the “lower engine”. This past time - they told me that I needed special seals on the car that only they can open in order to officially check the oil loss. I asked why they didn’t do this at least two oil changes ago - and they couldn’t answer. They did say on my receipt that the oil they took out was dark and burned looking. So - this time they did the oil change and some sort of combustion cleaning and they added some sort of additive that corporate says they have to add - along with the seals in order to start the process to be approved for an engine replacement (I though 2 oil changes ago I was in that process!). I asked to see the bottle - and couldn’t see any ingredients. My cousin said if it had Teflon or silicone in it - that would be like putting a bandaid on a bruise - it is only hiding the problem. So - brought the car home (it is my ONLY car!) and the next morning - when I drove it - there was knocking and shaking - so I revved the engine a bunch of times and it went away for that day. Worked from home for a few days - then had to go out at 5 a.m. this Monday. Drove out about a half mile and it felt like I was going over a million large speed bumps. Revving didn’t help - when I would slow down for any reason it felt like the car was going to stall. Then when I would speed up again - it would bump terribly and I felt like I was fighting the gas pedal to get it to accelerate. I had a medical appt I had to get to - so made it to that - and then drove straight to the dealership - which was about 2 miles away (getting to my medical appt was 45 terrifying minutes). I walked in, embarrassingly, burst into tears, and they took it back to look at it. The advisor came out 10 minutes later and told me I had “scoring” on my cylinders and that I had been assigned an advisor that was going to contact corporate immediately for an engine replacement. He told me the car wasn’t safe to drive - that it would “sieze” up on me on the freeway. Five minutes later, he called me to the front desk and told me he had “great” news. He said I had passed all my “combustion tests” (I don’t even know what those are) - and that the little “scratches” on the cylinders was incidental and was fine. He then said they knew what the problem was and - sort of in a “gotcha” way - after I said - ok what is the problem - he lifted up a small container from behind his desk - slapped it down in front of me - and loudly said “You put bad gas in your car!”. He said gas should be perfectly clear and he said this gas was slightly yellow and he said it had 22% ethanol in it - instead of 10%. I said I went to a major gas station that everyone goes to and how could this be. So - I asked for a manager and I told him I couldn’t afford a rental car - so he agree for scaring me saying the car was not safe to drive - they gave me a loaner and they are flushing out the fuel, cleaning, then refilling, and doing another oil change. He said all I have to pay for is the $30 fuel filter. I asked if the “combustion cleaning” and additive they put in last week could have anything to do with this - because I said aside from burning oil - before they did that last week - my car drove just fine - no shaking, bumping, or flashing/solid check engine light. He said no - that was not it and when they turned the car on when I brought it in just hours before - they said the check engine light was not on all. He finally did admit that cylinders 2 and 4 were having problems - but that was because of “my” bad fuel. He said I needed to get in touch with the gas station and tell them their fuel was bad. Then he said I needed to call them and give them the gas station manager’s name and number. I did all that. Now it is Wednesday and I haven’t heard a peep. I am scared they are trying to mask whatever is wrong - because they told me Monday afternoon - that once they cleaned the fuel lines - that everything would be fine and we’d be back to checking the oil from under the seals every 1K miles to see if I burn more than ONE QUART in 1K miles (the story was every 3K miles, now it is 1K) - so that I can be “considered” for an engine replacement. I’ve got 2 years and just under 10K miles left on my powertrain warranty - are they trying to drag this out so I don’t need the replacement until it is my responsibility? I can’t afford to trade this car in or get another car for at least two years - so I am so worried - I did overhear (I was around the corner - he didn’t see me) - the service advisor on the phone sounding exasperated with a customer - saying “You will have to be patient, you are SEVENTH in line for an engine replacement.”…..so I wonder - they don’t want me to be the eighth? What words can I use to make sure my and my family’s safety is the number one priority when they give me my car back - and they tell me it will be ok? Thanks for any advice.
Even in our shop, we’re having to send things out. We’re 2 weeks behind, many parts are on back order or there is a national backlog on modules, PCM/ECMs. Domestic cars are having serious issues due to this strike. The UAW has the Big 3 by the throat.
I chased this down on my old Hyundai with the same engine for over a year and dropped $4000 on all kinds of stuff. I ended up just selling the car for $1000 and bought a Toyota Rav4 since I needed something with some room for new kids. That engine clicking gave me nightmares, thanks for the torture. Enjoy your videos.
Hi Eric me and my wife drove by your shop she didn't believe I could find it I took a few pictures I was driving the black Sorento with dog stickers on the rear doors windows 😊love the contents of all your TH-cam videos
Great title! Reminds me of my favorite saying,There is no time like the present,,,,,,, and there is no present like time! Thought this up in the eighties, some self medicating could have been involved, after all it was the 80’s,,,,thank the Lord,,,,,, that’s over with😂
Maybe the other shop will ask you to just fix it? 😊 Video!! Fixing a Kia intake cam timing error. Sweet!! Or not. Dang it. Thanks for the great video, Mr. O. And for going the extra mile.
Exact problem I had about 6 months ago on the wife’s 09 Sedona with the 3.8. Went through everything like you did even though it can feel like a waste of time always good to double check and not bring out the cannon to launch parts at it. Unfortunately all routes lead to giving it the works in the yard with a full timing job. Runs like a dream now though.
Nice video Eric, I had one that kicked my but it was a Sedona, after putting a new belt on it it still was out of phase , I found it had sheared the index pin off the cam, I'd have them pull the gear and check the pin
@@bowmanjim31 looks like to me I would just find a used lower millage motor and replace it.. Looks like a labor intensive job just to take apart an 09 van and expose the timing chain and gears to see what the problem is and hope that is the problem
Had a similar issue with my ‘10 equinox. Cam crank correlation. I unloaded the parts cannon. New cam and crank sensor. Vvt actuators and then finally broke down and bought the $300 timing set. No more issues since. Bank 1 jumped 1 tooth on the timing.
Started watch L1 after your last video, I have really become good at diagnosing since watch you the past few years. Enjoyed this video, but as always disappointed that we don’t know what the issue was. Like cancelling lost in space with them still lost….
What makes this guy arguably the GOAT is a diagnosis like this and the fact he can also cut a rusted nut off a bolt with a torch and not screw up the threads and he is funny and honest and shares all this stuff with the common folk.... A legend...
So is his wife!
Eric O the GOAT. I like it!
Certainly my favorite mechanic
One these days ill have money again and this is first place I'm gonna contribute.
This dude has remarkable recall and I would suspect Mr. O Is close to genius level intelligence.
The other shops in the area must sleep at night knowing Eric O is there in case they can’t figure out a problem.
😂😂😂😂😂
He's has a few ( OTHER SHOP REFERRALS ) hasnt he ? 😄
i'd be surprised if anyone goes to the others anymore lol
😂frfr
Second opinion cause they don’t care too fix it .
As a former HD Truck/trailer technician, I can really appreciate your point to point diagnostics and your explanations. And you explain it in a layman's terms. Thanks for wonderful, informative videos.
Thanks 👍
What a blessing you are to the other shops knowing they can drop a car off to you to get a diagnosis when they can’t figure it out themselves! 🇺🇸
Exactly! Eric has a real knack for in depth troubleshooting.
Thinking the same thing!🇺🇸
he has done this before 😅
I have been watching you for several years now. Your diagnostic skills are awesome.
This guy and that pine hollow guy are the top two diag guys imo.
Scanner Dan, Diagnose Dan, Super Mario, Voltage Drop Diagnostics and the master Bernie Thompson from ATS
Good diagnostic path Eric O scan data can throw you off if you rely on it definitely looks like the cam pid went dead when the cam codes set 21:27 @South Main Auto Repair LLC
So nice of the other shop to change the spark plugs for a timing code...hopefully they rotated the tires too! Great job as always, Mr. O
Typical "cheeseburger, chips, and Pepsi" establishment
Not to mention change the blinker fluid!:)
Blinker fluid can be expensive don't you know? Some vehicles have sensors built into the tail light and if the unit gets water in it costs over $5k for a damn tail light because it now communicates with the entire system of the vehicle. It no longer is just blinky blinky or flash on flash off.
I bought one of those brake lights that goes in the reciever hitch of a vehicle. From the get-go I got a message that my left trailer light was malfunctioning and would have the rapid flash turning left. Figured it was a defective unit and besides it had the back-up light feature I had to hard wire so I got a standard read light one and the same issue. I checked around and turns out the unit is wired only to the right tail light so the car computer thinkks my left trailer light is out giving me a message over and over my tail light is out on my trailer.
Knowing what I know sometimes the blinker will work normal but most times it will blink faster than normal and I may just unplug it.
@@larrybe2900 Ain't THAT the truth!
Loved the line about chain stretch but we’ll use that term loosely 🤣
He might be right about that and he called it before he had the car in the shop.
I would have like the cover pulled to see the actual problem. Your adapting well to the increased
electronics they're adding to these engines. You have become a expert diagnostician! The other shops know this too!!
2 of my favorite channels are SMA and Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics
No Eric, you can do it, i can't.
A person would need more than a casual experience to understand how these systems work, then interpret what the data means, providing you had the equipment. These cars have reached a point, where the average shade tree mechanic can install the easy parts via the parts canon. if the canon shot didn't hit the target, you can only hope the garage that you selected is as good a you.
Agreed😊
He couldn't even figure out this one...
@@dopeman420 At least the first part of your moniker is spot on.
This guy says he didn't do so well in high school. And here it turns out he's a super-genius. And he would deny that but its true. What really seals the deal is that he's a great teacher and as near as I can tell he's a super human being. My favorite channel on TH-cam
Mr.O. You are a lucky guy to have Mrs.O. She should have her own TH-cam Channel.
I have the feeling she's juuuust fine showing up here and there as she does. That said, I'm not against an Mrs. O channel, nosirs/madams.
The scope doesn't lie! Hope this isn't another twisted camshaft like the one you and Ivan found. I saw that video.
Good one Mr. O. Nice to see Mrs. O.
Your diagnostic skills are always impressive but sometimes your understanding of modern engine technologies is even more so. I looked at a new Kia hybrid yesterday but watching this makes me want to start looking for a couple 60s and 70s cars and buy something I will understand and be able to work on like the old days. Modern cars make me feel so inadequate. Your customers are so lucky to have you.
best cars are 1995-2005 a little earlier on imports best of high performance/longevity AND only needed computers
@@MDAdams72668 pretty much I shouldn't need a module to put my windows up/down lol
Great video. I was never a big scope guy back when I was working. After watching your videos (about 4 years now) I wouldn't get back on the floor without one. It saves a bunch of time (comp. tests alone) and with the A,S wave stuff is very affordable...🤓
Great to hear!
You, Sir, are the Wizard of auto diagnostics!
Eric O’…We love it when you get the Pico out and show us Waveforms!!
Sad too that Kia has made hundreds of thousands of cars and this fault probably has raised its head many times, but will they let the public know? Thanks Eric for you most enlightening and entertaining work.👍
Took you 4min in the Video to diagnose its problems and other shops sent it to you.
You're really the diagnostic king! Greetings from Quebec Canada
Been watching for years. I've picked up a lot of diagnostic practices from this guy. I know it's saved me and my customers money over the years. Imagine if this customer brought the car in before unloading the parts cannon.
The way you say "You/We can clearly see"... Idk why but it triggered a memory... In The Princess Bride, Vizzini and Westley are having a battle of wits and Vizzini repeatedly says "clearly" many times during his thought process. This just reminded me of that! 👍👍😂
Shocker: the codes, which are made to tell you when the cam is out of time, told us the cam was out of time 😂
Good video, brother! Keep up the great diags. Im Learning every day!
Its always cool to see you use the scope and go though your process to find the issue, i hope to see a follow up, thanks eric
It's amazing to see you're getting 100k+ views on your vids just a few hours after posting, that's more than the whole population of Steuben County, Your content and editing keeps getting bettter and better, keep it up Eric, 1M subs are around the corner big milestone ahead. Kudos!
Love the chill shout out to Ivan. The old TWISTED CAM HYUNDAI.
As an old drivability tech from the 90’s and early 2000’s I love watching this stuff.
As a KIA technician... there's also an issue with the camshaft dowl pins getting too far into the camshaft and causing the cam gear to rotate. These usually produce a camshaft correlation code. The only fix is to replace the whole cam, the adjustable gear, and of course, at that point, change the timing belt and tensioner. The wholes for the dowl were machined too deep and allowed the pin to sink too far into the cam. They don't quite sheer off, but they deform and kinda bend sideways. I learned this from one of the Master KIA techs.
"The money light is on." Gotta love it.
This has been another edition of South Main Auto continuing education.
You are a very good teacher. I wish my college instructors were half as good as teaching as you are.
Between South Main Auto auto and Rainman Ray…it’s the best stuff you can watch on youtube.
When other shops just can`t figure it out, they send the vehicle to South Main Auto so Eric can figure out what in the thunder is going on. As usual, Prof. O. never disappoints. And explains it so we who know enough to get our butts in trouble, can learn. Thanks Prof. O.
when the other shops can't fix the problem they send the vehicle to south main auto 👍
Don't forget Factory authorized Wilberts😊
Brother, I for one are jealous of your knowledge, keep teaching us what we don't know.
The fact that you verify your diagnosis sets you apart from a LOT of techs. It's amazing to see how many parts-cannon cars you get to work on. Now I will ask this question again (someone out there should be willing to answer it): How can a shop/mechanic charge the customer parts & labor for a job/problem that they did not fix? If I hire a plumber to fix a leak & he replaces parts that don't fix the leak - why should I be expected to pay him?
The same reason you pay your doctor to do tests and prescribe medication that sometimes doesn't fix the problem.
I noticed Mrs. O's shop coat was awful white and was missing the South Main Auto Shield on the back. Great Video Eric!
Eric, Thanks for the insight! What about closure? How am I supposed to sleep at night not knowing if it actually fixed it. I mean I trust you more than any mechanic I ever knew but at least tell us? We trust your honesty!
Love that twisted cam vid. Did not expect that
Would it have been an interesting idea to scope the solenoid control signal? Your videos are great, I hope you do not loose interest in posting new ones!
That's why I left it unplugged to remove that variable. It should be set at the base timing with the solenoids unhooked. But that's a great question
@@SouthMainAuto I think also a measurement with 2nd vvt solenoid unplugged would have been good because we saw the values read 0 for either unplugged. Maybe if the one bank stays locked the retard of the chain would be slightly be more or less retarded (compounded problem vvt gears i think they wear out a lot on hyundai / kia. ) I 100% agree with the diag though... the covers have to come off regardless. Hopefully not multiple components plus chains. $$$$$
Since you are smart enough to diagnose this the customer should opt. To have YOU fix it!
I dare say unless the customer is a TH-cam fan of SMA (in which case they would have brought it there in the first place), the customer will never know it left the other shop. They will just add whatever they paid Mr O to diag it (plus double it for profit) to the customers "Diagnostic Fee."
One word i can think of for your work and experience.
AMAZING!!
Hey Eric! Our '06 Sonata with the big 3.3 six was in the shop almost when it was new for upgraded cam chain tensioners, and Ed the mechanic said one cam was off, and that was when the car was a year or two old. This is my first and last Hyundai.
Yet here it is 17 years later and you still have it?
Ed Sutton ? Ed’s a great guy will tell you the truth and if he can or not fix it only ever had one problem he couldn’t fix at the time one of the good guys
One thing that did seem odd to me is that the engine did run pretty smooth, so I wouldn't be surprised if it's the sensor cam trigger that has moved.
Your right maybe a bore scope down the cam sensor hole might have been beneficial. Michael
@@michaelsapko1731
this is how mechanics talk dirty to each other,
right here 😗
@@Zupdood2I love it when you guys talk dirty
Didn't PHD have one of those?
That or there's different sensors snd wrong one is installed maybe left and right are different as cams spin opposite
As a diesel mechanic and having one of these vehicles in my family I really appreciate your hard work and showing and explaining your steps in diagnostics 👍🏼
What you tested made sense and now you have to start taking parts off. Nice Job!
CSI Eric on the Kia. I am a consumate learner and I appreciate your ability to help me understand at my novice level. Thanks again. I did a complete head gasket kit repair on my wife's 1998 Buick Century. Took 2 days..heard the eords in my head..
" if i can do it, you can do it"..and yes it runs awesome..thanks
Got to love the parts cannon before even diagnosing the real problem. That’s why they all come to you Eric. You will diagnose the problem before repairing it.
The PID will drop from scan data because the reference voltage signal has open circuit too. Without reference voltage no valid data, if reference is provided.
What reference voltage? Eric unplugged the phasor solenoid not the camshaft sensor. If a reference voltage or +5V supply is involved, it's in the sensor circuit, and that was still connected.
Can I come up there from Georgia for a summer and pay you to stand there and watch you and learn? Cuz your knowledge is astronomical.
good information
As a Kia technician, we seem them all the time. The 3.8 in the Cadenza had a recall for the timing chain guides and tensioners. Same engine in the other v6 applicable cars, but only the Cadenza got the recall.
Granted the rest of the fleet has this happen well out of warranty. Cadenza chains were popping from the truck 😅
Another great video you are the best diagnostician I've ever seen!
I always enjoy your videos and wear my "South Main Auto Repair" swag with pride. Thanks for this and all your videos. Be well!
You are the best diagnostic technician on TH-cam. Scanner Danner, diagnose Dan are close but every time I watch one of your videos I learned something new and not only about vehicles but about logical thinking as well. Do you have any other channels that you would recommend as far as teaching goes? Thank you.
When something throws that many cam timing codes and has a chain, its almost certainly a stretched timing chain or broken guides. Super common problem on multiple engines. Stretched chains are not always noisy. Typically, if you want less chain wear, change the oil at decent intervals, not the bullsh1t 15,000km's /10,000 miles.
That Pico is just the bees knees! Great diag Mr. O!
My daughter has a 2021 Kia Seltos with about 70,000+ miles. She bought it new. Her engine light came on and the car stalled but restarted. She took it to her usual shop and they said it was showing codes P000b and P0017 and should go to the dealer. She brought it to the dealer, and they found the exhaust cam phaser was loose. It must have also damaged the cam because they replaced both the cam and the phaser. They also replaced a couple of oil seals. The work was done under warrantee at no charge to her. Her car is running great again. She got lucky it was still under warrantee. It was the first trouble she had with the car.
You shouldn't expect that kind of trouble at 70k. Best she sell it before the warranty expires. These engines are junk.
I agree, but she won't trade it right now. She's old enough to make her own choices. I'm sure she will trade it when it starts costing her money. lol @@vicarod
@@vicarodI strongly agree.
That's a lot stuff for a 2+ year old car...
@@michaelsnively3621 exactly , something you would expect from say 150 k miles
Yo Eric
make sure to give us an update on the Kia. What was causing the issue after all. Keep up the good work!!
Proof is in the pudding. Fantastic video Eric O.
Funny, the one I just repaired last week was the solenoid failed. It ran so bad that one bank misfired and flashed the money light like a Christmas tree light. 1,3,5. Connectors blew into pieces once touched also of course, adding to the drama. But it's all fixed now. 1 solenoid can be snuck out, the other nope.
Glad you got this one sorted out too!
Shout-out to Kia for keeping mechanics in business.
Your experience pays off. Keep up the good teaching sessions.
@ 00:38 I like how you gave historical information a thoughtful but quick review and then moved on to perform your own assessment. @21:33 "...fixing a mechanical problem with cam timing or replacing the engine." I bet the other shop recommends engine replacement simply because that seems like the skill set available at that shop based on prior work product. Hope that shop recommends you to fix the mechanical cam timing issue.
As an advanced tech for Toyota I’m not mainline so I don’t do much with diags. I do brakes, tires, certain repairs, aglinments, some diag not much, and other minor things but one day I wanna be mainline and your videos are a world of knowledge getting me prepared so I Thankyou for the videos
Another Great Video. Hope the original shop gives you credit for being able to figure out the timing problem when they present their findings to the customer. Also, must be nice to know that other shops look up to you to figure out things they can't figure out. Love your video keep them coming!
I like it when you get in the details of the pico and how to use it!
Once again, you went above my pay grade. Even if I had the high tech gizmos. At least I can still follow along and learn something. Thanks Mr O.
I actually understood half of what you said.good video .I feel smarter now.
Always nice to see Mrs. O.
Great diag.! Love following along , tests my self taught mind ! Thanks !
Another total explanation of the problem. Eric is always right on. I've been watching a couple yrs now. Very much enjoy and Ivan at pine hollow in Pa which is where I'm from. Both these guys are super straight up. I would send my car here if I had too😊
Agreed, wouldn't we all. Not having to worry about being taken to the cleaners. Honest mechanics who know what they are doing. Hard to come by these days with how complicated these engines have become.
The best!! I’ve watched for years with much learning and enjoyment!!
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Great diagnosis and your description is clear and animated enough to keep the attention.
A pilot has a parachute, shops in Eric's neck of the woods have an Eric parachute! Good diag Dr. O.!
I have a Toyota with same problem. Took it to a master Toyota mechanic. He replaced the cam sensors so fast it was like getting an oil change. Car runs like a champ now.😊
This is a lot bigger problem than sensors. A layman could probably replace cam sensors just as fast as your Toyota tech. Not sure why you are impressed with that simple job.
Love the channel. I wonder if you had zoomed in the time scale (for more accuracy) if the scope would have measured closer to the 25 degrees reported by the ECM. Hope we get to see you open up the cover and fix it.
14° between cams is 28° crank to cam offset.
ECU thinks in crank angle and Eric measured cam angle.
@@philippintheus Thanks!
All scope diags are 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼. Thank you, Eric.
I have a 2015 Kia Soul Exclaim. It has 90K miles on it and I’ve been having trouble with it for over 10K miles. Got a new transmission, new spark plugs. They told me the last three oil changes (I get done every 3K miles) that I burned just under a quart each time - but that was normal - that I had to burn OVER a quart each oil change to be considered for an engine replacement. Some time ago - I did get that software update and they told me that increased my warranty to 150K miles, instead of 100K - but it was only on the “lower engine”.
This past time - they told me that I needed special seals on the car that only they can open in order to officially check the oil loss. I asked why they didn’t do this at least two oil changes ago - and they couldn’t answer. They did say on my receipt that the oil they took out was dark and burned looking.
So - this time they did the oil change and some sort of combustion cleaning and they added some sort of additive that corporate says they have to add - along with the seals in order to start the process to be approved for an engine replacement (I though 2 oil changes ago I was in that process!). I asked to see the bottle - and couldn’t see any ingredients. My cousin said if it had Teflon or silicone in it - that would be like putting a bandaid on a bruise - it is only hiding the problem.
So - brought the car home (it is my ONLY car!) and the next morning - when I drove it - there was knocking and shaking - so I revved the engine a bunch of times and it went away for that day. Worked from home for a few days - then had to go out at 5 a.m. this Monday. Drove out about a half mile and it felt like I was going over a million large speed bumps. Revving didn’t help - when I would slow down for any reason it felt like the car was going to stall. Then when I would speed up again - it would bump terribly and I felt like I was fighting the gas pedal to get it to accelerate. I had a medical appt I had to get to - so made it to that - and then drove straight to the dealership - which was about 2 miles away (getting to my medical appt was 45 terrifying minutes).
I walked in, embarrassingly, burst into tears, and they took it back to look at it. The advisor came out 10 minutes later and told me I had “scoring” on my cylinders and that I had been assigned an advisor that was going to contact corporate immediately for an engine replacement. He told me the car wasn’t safe to drive - that it would “sieze” up on me on the freeway.
Five minutes later, he called me to the front desk and told me he had “great” news. He said I had passed all my “combustion tests” (I don’t even know what those are) - and that the little “scratches” on the cylinders was incidental and was fine. He then said they knew what the problem was and - sort of in a “gotcha” way - after I said - ok what is the problem - he lifted up a small container from behind his desk - slapped it down in front of me - and loudly said “You put bad gas in your car!”. He said gas should be perfectly clear and he said this gas was slightly yellow and he said it had 22% ethanol in it - instead of 10%. I said I went to a major gas station that everyone goes to and how could this be. So - I asked for a manager and I told him I couldn’t afford a rental car - so he agree for scaring me saying the car was not safe to drive - they gave me a loaner and they are flushing out the fuel, cleaning, then refilling, and doing another oil change. He said all I have to pay for is the $30 fuel filter. I asked if the “combustion cleaning” and additive they put in last week could have anything to do with this - because I said aside from burning oil - before they did that last week - my car drove just fine - no shaking, bumping, or flashing/solid check engine light. He said no - that was not it and when they turned the car on when I brought it in just hours before - they said the check engine light was not on all. He finally did admit that cylinders 2 and 4 were having problems - but that was because of “my” bad fuel.
He said I needed to get in touch with the gas station and tell them their fuel was bad. Then he said I needed to call them and give them the gas station manager’s name and number. I did all that.
Now it is Wednesday and I haven’t heard a peep. I am scared they are trying to mask whatever is wrong - because they told me Monday afternoon - that once they cleaned the fuel lines - that everything would be fine and we’d be back to checking the oil from under the seals every 1K miles to see if I burn more than ONE QUART in 1K miles (the story was every 3K miles, now it is 1K) - so that I can be “considered” for an engine replacement. I’ve got 2 years and just under 10K miles left on my powertrain warranty - are they trying to drag this out so I don’t need the replacement until it is my responsibility?
I can’t afford to trade this car in or get another car for at least two years - so I am so worried - I did overhear (I was around the corner - he didn’t see me) - the service advisor on the phone sounding exasperated with a customer - saying “You will have to be patient, you are SEVENTH in line for an engine replacement.”…..so I wonder - they don’t want me to be the eighth?
What words can I use to make sure my and my family’s safety is the number one priority when they give me my car back - and they tell me it will be ok? Thanks for any advice.
I think Ivan had one where the phaser had shifted or was installed wrong and was degrees out. A new Cam fixed it.
Even in our shop, we’re having to send things out. We’re 2 weeks behind, many parts are on back order or there is a national backlog on modules, PCM/ECMs. Domestic cars are having serious issues due to this strike. The UAW has the Big 3 by the throat.
I'm just amazed that there is not a long line of young men (and women) asking to come work in your shop as an apprentice.
Steal his brain??
Its always a good day to pull out the scope and have a look. You can only get better at using and reading the signals.
I chased this down on my old Hyundai with the same engine for over a year and dropped $4000 on all kinds of stuff. I ended up just selling the car for $1000 and bought a Toyota Rav4 since I needed something with some room for new kids. That engine clicking gave me nightmares, thanks for the torture. Enjoy your videos.
Hi Eric me and my wife drove by your shop she didn't believe I could find it I took a few pictures I was driving the black Sorento with dog stickers on the rear doors windows 😊love the contents of all your TH-cam videos
Another great one taught by Eric O at the SMA Academy.
Great title! Reminds me of my favorite saying,There is no time like the present,,,,,,, and there is no present like time!
Thought this up in the eighties, some self medicating could have been involved, after all it was the 80’s,,,,thank the Lord,,,,,, that’s over with😂
I love me some picoscope. Pure data provides so much insight.
Love these diagnostics videos!
Maybe the other shop will ask you to just fix it? 😊
Video!! Fixing a Kia intake cam timing error. Sweet!!
Or not. Dang it. Thanks for the great video, Mr. O. And for going the extra mile.
Exact problem I had about 6 months ago on the wife’s 09 Sedona with the 3.8. Went through everything like you did even though it can feel like a waste of time always good to double check and not bring out the cannon to launch parts at it. Unfortunately all routes lead to giving it the works in the yard with a full timing job. Runs like a dream now though.
Got it!
Well explained!
You have a classroom right here on your channel!
Thanks for your time!
Nice video Eric, I had one that kicked my but it was a Sedona, after putting a new belt on it it still was out of phase , I found it had sheared the index pin off the cam, I'd have them pull the gear and check the pin
The cam gear has moved , you have to remove the gear to verify but I've seen this about 10 different times on these engines
@@bowmanjim31 looks like to me I would just find a used lower millage motor and replace it.. Looks like a labor intensive job just to take apart an 09 van and expose the timing chain and gears to see what the problem is and hope that is the problem
Wish we knew a mechanic with your skills in this part of the world
Had a Jeep with a 3. similar concern. Customer declined pulling the value covers and checking for chain stretch.
Had a similar issue with my ‘10 equinox. Cam crank correlation. I unloaded the parts cannon. New cam and crank sensor. Vvt actuators and then finally broke down and bought the $300 timing set. No more issues since. Bank 1 jumped 1 tooth on the timing.
Started watch L1 after your last video, I have really become good at diagnosing since watch you the past few years. Enjoyed this video, but as always disappointed that we don’t know what the issue was. Like cancelling lost in space with them still lost….
Nice Diagnosis. I run out of time a lot! The code set criteria need to let the data continue. The engine still runs so let the scan tool see whats up.
Yeah that would be nice wouldn't it
I had one of these vans and it had 239,000 miles and running strong no oil burning Great van until I got rear ended and totaled
thats cool Kia figured out how to make a chain last no longer than the belt it replaced... Now that is engineering