Battle of the Java Sea
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- On February 27, 2017, the Battle of the Java Sea was commemorated. On this occasion, the Netherlands Institute of Military History (NIMH) made a short animation of the naval battle.
On February 27, 1942 an Allied squadron, under command of the Dutch admiral Karel Doorman, tried to prevent a Japanese invasion fleet from landing its troups at Kragan, Java. This resulted in a battle at sea which lasted more then 7 hours.
Allied squadron: HMS Exeter, USS Houston, Hr.Ms. De Ruyter, Hr.Ms. Java, HMAS Perth, HMS Electra, HMS Encounter, HMS Jupiter, Hr.Ms. Kortenaer, Hr. Ms. Witte de With, USS Alden, USS John D. Edwards, USS John D. Ford and USS Paul
Japanese squadron: Nachi, Haguro, Naka, Jintsu, Yudachi, Samidare, Murasame, Harusame, Minegumo, Asagumo, Yukikaze, Tokitsukaze, Amatsukaze, Hatsukaze, Yamakaze, Kawakaze, Sazanami and Ushio.
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My Uncle was on the Java which did not have many survivors, he spent the rest of the war as a POW and never really discussed it. He eventually became a US citizen, raised two kids and had a good life here in the states. Miss you Uncle Emile.
Excellent presentation! My Dad's sub USS Perch was sunk in Java Sea a few days after the battle. These ships are now being plundered by despicable scrap-metal pirates and the graves of these brave sailors are being robbed and desecrated, which is completely against international law.
Flametopology and no one is being arrested for it
I don't think the salvagers have any affection for the men whose graves they are plundering. I saw a sidescan sonar image recently of what amounts to a dent in the seabed where Exeter used to "rest in peace" - nothing left. But this is the way of it ...
I read an article (with pictures) showing that the (once was) wreck of HMS Exeter is now just an empty dent in the seabed. I don't think the gentlemen 'mining' these wrecks for their metals content are really all that sentimental about war-graves and such. (Just a real pity that any explosives still around didn't go off ...)
@@Have_Gun_Will_Travel Not all Indonesian like that, and I'm so sorry about that, I am Indonesian and I'm so sad for this mater, my father was joint in this battle as a crew members of HR. MS. Witte De With, he is one among the survival.
Indonesia, pfew no honour at all, still occupying Papoea , killing dutch woman and children who came out of japanese camps, and only whining about their own crap yuck
Whos still here and listening to this video in 2020? I certainly am!
My grandfather was on the Hms Exeter, was captured by the Japanese and was a POW. He endured terrible conditions and never fully spoke of what happened however I have found out what camps he was at and have taken on his medals
I am in the process of finding out which ship my dad was on. He too became a POW and even after a drink or two, when he became talkative, he never spoke of his POW time. The pain was to much and to deep. He also worked on the Burma railroad; all I know is that that bridge is build on a foundation of bodies, he always said. It was pure hell.
Can you tell me more about the medals; never heard of this. We are dutch also.
My grandfather also
Mine also . Sidney Barton
My grandfather was on Jupiter and was also captured. I would love to find out about his camp
Nederlands Instituut: Thank You. This is a very clear animation of the approximate motions and events!
Japanese Naval Officers that were interrogated after the war gave many contradictory accounts and deceptions. Even with their input nothing is clear and most of the senior officers in the ABDA force at the Java Sea Battle were killed in action.
Imagine how brave these man were. Even though they had only 4 cruisers left, they attacked the Japanese invasion fleet consisting of 2 heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers and 14 destroyers and troop transport ships.
Many thanks to the NIMH for this documentary. Dutch primary sources, often, are not available in English. For example, VADM Helfrich's two volume memoirs of the period were never translated into English. Hopefully, they will be (and soon, I trust).
As an Australian it is interesting to hear WW2 history from another perspective. Good stuff 👍
What do you mean from the other side? Isn't this evening told from your allies, the Dutch?
excellent documentary - for the firs time I can see and really appreciate admiral Doorman's tenacity in trying to engage the Japanese invasion convoy - maps in the books do not show that so vividly
Don't forget Houston and Perth were lost in a separate engagement after refueling going straight back out again and through Sunda strait Exeter pope and encounter were lost on 1st march after Exeter was patched up
The book "Battle of the Java Sea" by David Thomas (and likely any thorough account) fleshes this excellent animation out. The battle was lost before it began. ABDA was quickly thrown together, allied ships were mostly (not completely) old and outdated with crews who had not seen action as well as many not being 100% serviceable due to previous damage, lack of repair facilities and overall weariness, whereas the Japanese had modern ships and "worked up" crews. The allies had limited air power and the one incident where they did have superiority and could have possibly changed the outcome was at about 4:30pm when 3x A24s (Army Dauntlesses) and 10x P40s showed up, but was totally squandered when the pilots went off in search of the invasion fleet where the 3 dive bombers completely missed their targets. The P40s, had they been looking, could have attacked the Japanese spotter aircraft which had been helping the Japanese to be extremely accurate with their shell fire, despite the many smoke screens which hindered the surface ships from seeing each other. An air attack would also have been a distraction to the Japanese fleets and possibly enabled the aborted allied torpedo attack to be coordinated properly.
The reason for the limited information and contradicting reports of the action is because the allies were only able to really debrief AFTER the War. 2-3 years working as malnourished slave labour in the jungles of the region dulls the mind.
The Dutch fought very bravely as they had a strong navy tradition, but even more so, for many of the sailors and captains, it was their home. Born and bred there. It would be like the British fighting to the last for England, the Aussies for Australia, or the Germans or the Japanese for their homelands. Their wives and children were ashore, and they knew they were heading out to fight to live or die for them. They knew they were doomed, as did most of the allied commanders and their respective CnCs. Thats why most of the senior commanders were ordered out. It may have been more prudent to mine the harbours to the brim, and try and transport as many civilians as possible out to Australia but considering Darwin was under air attack from Japanese CVs at this time, it may have been suicidal to do that.
Also Admiral Tommy Hart has predicted this the disaster of Java Sea after he was relieved of command for “defeatist” attitudes. It was more a realistic assessment of the current situation and Roosevelt suspected this which is why Hart was brought to the White House and gave his appraisal of the first rate power that the allies were up against. Which in turn provided a template for future engagement of the amphibious war in the pacific.
My father is one of HR. MS. Witte De With crew member, Rank Inh. Stoker Olieman, after they arrive at Ujung harbour of Surabaya to escort HMS. Exeter, two day after, all the crew transported to Cilacap by train for crossing over to Darwin by Dutch Tanker, unfortunately the ship was bomb by Japan before they embark, then my father and his 5 friends, do AWOL and joint BKR Laut (Indonesian Independence Force - Navy).
Your sea battle maps and diagram are the best I've seen on youtube history episodes. Very well done.
Thank you!
It should be mentioned that the Japanese Navy were the world experts in surface night fighting at this time, but did not have radar.
and the also had the best torpedo called lance .. faster tan us and allies torpedos and could cover longer distances and bigger explosive bang .. also japanese navy had their planes capalble of trave long distances tan those of us army air forcé, marines or navy planes, also inlcude royal air forcé planes... the japanese knew by esailor experience that the pacific is the biggest ocean of the world and aolso covers 20% of the whole planet. and japanese navy during 20s and 30s devoted to profficiency while british devoted to drink tea to King and queen .. .alllied foreign and military policy was based on status and deterence.. axis on profficiency
@@MegaColacho yet they still lost to the allies.
Hardly not an even fight from the start and with such a mix of nationalities the Allies were always up against it
Most of the western allies survivors died in pow camps...
@@MrWalker1000 quality over quantity.. allied win midway using hack radio.. watch midway movie then
Proud TEXAN living in Houston, great to see this as I have been interested in the early naval battles of WW2. I am also a US Navy veteran having served on the USS Boulder LST-1190 and USS TEXAS CGN-39. GO NAVY! I now plan on visiting Sam Houston Park where their is a memorial for the USS Houston CA-30.
Thank you for presenting this sparsely covered topic! Another poorly covered topic is the Battle of the Bismarck Sea.
I have a sentiment to this battle. Thanks to this presentation I can see what exactly had being on. Many thanks.
Is there any family members of your involve in this battle?
My pops was one of the divers to discovery many of these wrecks. He was the first to dive most of them and lead Explorers Club flagged expeditions to survey them and other WW II wrecks.
If the ABDA force had had more time to train together and if the US had had a little more time to deliver aircraft to Java, the Allies might not have been so haphazard. As it was, Java was at the far end of the US supply line from California to Pearl Harbor to New Zealand to Australia. Also at the far end of the British supply line across the Indian Ocean.
Best video, my favourite video,best Java sea
My grandad was on HMS Exeter. He told my dad stories that wouldve horrifying to hear and sad 😔 what they all went thru after being captured 😢 I miss my grandad he died almost 20 years ago now and I miss him every day. Greatest respect to our past and present service men and women
Excellent production.
Exeter also fought the Graf Spee and was badly damaged
You don't ever hear much about this battle because it was such a total defeat for the Allies.
Probably because you hate western democracy so much that you've never been bothered to learn how we were saved from the German and Japanese.
Dont worry, the time is coming when you will learn in real time.
@@lckoolg622 this was only the beginning of Allied surface action defeats in the Southwest Pacific, until Adm. Scott had a partial victory in October at the Second Battle of Savo Island. Then Adm. Lee took a major victory in the Second Phase of the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal in November. The reasons were many; poor training in night operations, poor communication, and ineffective air support lead the list. But not understanding how to use their new radar effectively was also a big problem.
@@larrytischler570 yes you are correct Larry. The battle of Leyte Gulf fixed it all. The US navy destroyed Japan's naval capability.
The Brits, Americans, Aussies, and Dutch(don't forget the French) had a lot of territory to defend in SE Asia...and a lot worth defending. But we all can see they were unprepared and so many lives were lost. The failure was their inability to organize for their collective security. The inter-war years were the opportunity to do this, not just to organize in order to defend, but to organize to deter. Following WW2, NATO and SEATO were organized. NATO was effective...SEATO not so much. Now we have China intimidating its neighbors in the S. China Sea. Only collective resistance will deter a large and powerful China, which seems determined to ignore international arbitration.
Alan you are absolutely correct. China should be seen for what it is. They wish to establish another `greater east Asia co-prosperity sphere`. The question is have we learned anything from history???
Vincent Porcelli Vince...we seem to learn .....and forget. The consensus (rule of law, free enterprise, individual responsibility, freedom constrained by virtue) that brought the US to its status as the keystone of the forces for international order has become open for debate and even violence! .The resulting political wars in the US over the past quarter century are distracting. A general peace has lasted since 1945...75 years. The peace following Napoleon lasted 99. May our leaders have courage and wisdom!
I know the battles where the IJN won are not highly publicized due to the outcome but I really wish people would pay more attention to these types of battles.
It’s clearly amazing to me that in such a short amount of time we would have the Battle of Coral Sea and Midway and definitely see how the Allied Forces just got better and better!
Makes me proud to be an American! Nobody is perfect. We all have to work together.
Excellent presentation and even the disclaimer is great.
Thank you
I was live in Kragan,and thats really historical.
my grandmothers brother died in this battle, rest in peace to all.
Captain dies. Houston dies. Buddha dies
- Chinese translator on the sinking USS Houston
Perth and Houston were sunk, also, soon after these events, in the Sunda Strait.....near the Java coast and the volcano Krakatoa.
A good account of what happened. It is hard to find information about this, because the allies lost
Yeah the Western history books never mention this battle, Savo Island the Battle of Singapore very much.
0:45 The battle of the Java Sea is in no way the largest naval battle since Jutland. Cape Matapan in early 1941 involved significantly more forces and significantly heavier units than the Java Sea
kragan near my home town .
The brave allied effort . ..tragic loss
In java sea.. so much ghost. And that ghost..
And so, the prestige of the Netherlands too sank to the bottom of the ocean.
The two Japanese heavy cruisers had 8" guns. Only the Houston had 8" guns, the rest of the allied ships had +-6". The Japanese could fire from nearly out of range of the allied light cruisers. Add their Long Lance torpedos and the end was a foregone conclusion. When was this battle lost? The Dutch lost it in the early 1930's when they decided not to build a planned class of battleships. All that money coming in from their empire and they pissed it away on social programs. No wonder the Japanese were licking their chops and lusting the Dutch Indies in 1940...
The Dutch had the opportunity to sell the oil and other raw materials to the Japanese but decided not to do that and go to war with them instead. Instead of common sense they used "dutch courage" and lost it all. Who were the idiots who made that fatal decision?
Exeter had six 8' guns, she was the strongest of the 3 cruisers that ambushed Graf Spee. even so ABDA was outgunned by the Japanese
Shame no wreckage survive because of illegal salvaging
Our teachers never taught these in history study in Indonesia
Ontzettend beroerd gesproken Engels, soms moeilijk te verstaan... Ook de Engelse ondertiteling is slecht, maakt er soms totaal wat anders van. Gemiste kans NMI.
Deze video bestaat ook in het Nederlands (th-cam.com/video/O6EH6qRiwqk/w-d-xo.html). Naar de ondertiteling zal worden gekeken en waar nodig, aangepast.
@@nederlandsinstituutvoormil6616 excellent presentation of a battle that I could not understand for many years. Thank you.
@@larrytischler570 Thank you!
GREAT VIDEO, thanks for Sharing .
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i dont speak sushi
92 torpedoes and they all missed? Damn. That would have bought a lot of flied lice.
At least they won the battle
Not to mention the fate of the Houston and Perth which were sunk by Japanese Aircraft in the Sunda Straight on 1 Mar 42 is somewhat disrespectful.
Actually, they were sunk by a Japanese heavy cruiser squadron.
Early loses led to great victories. Unfortunately many died during that learning curve...
The Battle of Coral Sea started that curve upward but it did not go great until we got new ships in '43.
Indonesians freedom, Alhamdulillah
Soon the young kids can be the soldier to but they get a rifle somethimes and they also get a bamboo and 1946 indonesia won with their revenge
Kopet..
Thank you..... I wonder if this particular clusterfuck could be partly responsible for the over confidence shown by the Japanese in some of their later actions against the allies.
That may be a part of it. In the book "Warriors of the rising sun", they do mention "victory fever" a few times,
and it seems that they had some among their ranks who didnt understand how western people think and act.
In the pre-war years also the Allies had their cultural biases regarding the capabilities of the orientals. The Japanese may have interpreted the reasons for the outcome of this battle wrongly, but to be fair we do not know for certain. Imho The Allied fleet hardly had any other option than to sail out and fight with what little they had at their disposal.
It was part of that. The Japanese won every time they fought until the Battle of the Coral Sea, then Midway -- a catastrophe for them -- and then the Guadalcanal Campaign. As Patrick Sputnick mentions below, the Japanese came to consider that they had suffered from "victory disease". A book about Midway, perhaps that by Gordon Prange, says that the IJN was convinced they would destroy the US fleet at merely by showing up and applying "a touch of the iron gauntlet".
4:36~ what the,,,
The Destroyers? They were ancient WW1 vintage ships, their deck guns were nearly useless and once they'd expended their torpedoes they were essentially cannon fodder, they were also low on fuel. Doorman was right to tell them to try and save themselves by heading back to Port.
@@DouglasEdward84 thx
last time japanese and holland (jepang dan londo).destroy in rembang..but first time japanese came to kragan (rembang) all people thank given bcause attack holland and then nippon claim any place from netherland goverment in java as owner.
Taek kopet..
Indonesia my home
The word Jutland is pronounced Yutland since it is Germans
He's not speaking German, he's speaking English.
Yutland pronounced auf deutsch, aber Jutland if using English.
You have the Exeter there, just after taking on the graf spray and they put an unknown Dutch captain in command.
schout-bij-nacht* (=rear admiral)
man spreek je lekker nederlands want ze kunnen je echt niet verstaan!
The Allied actions were misguided and inept. Their goal was the invasion fleet, but they continually attacked (badly) the Japanese main force. Attack, retreat, lose ships, repeat. Useless waste of ships and lives.
Please explain how the Allies would have been able to attack the invasion fleet whilst at the same time avoiding the naval forces escorting it.
Because every time the Allies tried to hunt the transports the Japanese would tuck tail and face the ships head on with incredible speed. The Japanese were just have fast reaction.
If you want me to watch cut out the dum music
Yay that my country "Indonesia"
Mine too but.... Um nothing
So?
It's Dutch east indies there, but it indonesia now
Way must war?
Kenapa ayah kalian semua bertempur di negara saya...apa yang kalian inginkan dari negara saya
Kopet...
what
u order withdraw from fight and u sail home leaving u group out hahhaha later they ran into theyr own mine field......... only way the allies won a battle was in cheer numbers ....... mantle up a force 4-7 times as big then attack
welll Midway was even
What's funny?
Tomas K because no one had any mine field maps..they just followed all the Dutch ships ..even out of Surabaya..the fleet was hurriedly put together and had a language barrier the dutch had to learn semaphore many crew were also Indonesian. The dutch ships had liaison officers on board from royal navy and us navy...
sound strategy any day
That's actually not true. The Dutch didn't have many foreign officers at all. Most of the seaman were Dutch aswell.
Mentioning that this battle was the biggest after Jutland is BS - excuse me.
The biggest "since" Jutland, meaning the biggest since 1916 till then (early 1942) did you even listen?
It seems accurate. There were no fleet battles after Jutland, thanks, partly, to the good sense of German sailors who mutinied when their officers ordered the fleet to make a suicide charge at the Allied fleet...a few days between the Armistice. River Plate was three RN cruisers against one German "pocket battleship". Narvik was mostly a matter of Warspite hunting down German destroyers trapped in a fjord. Maybe one of the battles between the RN and the Italian Navy?
@@redskindan78 I think that you will find that Matapan, in March, 1941, was bigger, involving in total 4 battleships, 1 carrier, 6 heavy cruisers, 9 light cruisers, and 34 destroyers.
Tjilatjap Indonesia
IJN best
THEY TORTURED ALOT OF MEN WOMEN CHILDREN AND MEN HOW CAN U SAY THAT!?
IJN best.....Until it was sunk.
Yeah, you know what, just go away.
*Laugh in USS Enterprise*
IJN was totally destroyed by the end of WWII.
Battle at Leyte Gulf was crucial to that result.
Tenno heika banzaiii
Ahem not to brag but you forgot one country in asia got in war Indonesia they got war from japan and the netherlands
Indonesia is probably not mentioned because it hadn't gained its independence yet (so they weren't really a country). At that point all the territory that later became Indonesia was part of the "Dutch East Indies" colonial government. Their proclamation of independence was made during the power vacuum between the surrender of Japan in 1945 and the return of Dutch authorities.
Taek kopet caper su...
0:45 he said battle jutland 1960
He says 1916
the narrator reads this as if he were a robot and not in very fluently english
I can assure you this is no robot.
leg dan iets van emotie en intonatie er in het klinkt nu op zn hollands gezegd zo houterig
His English is much better than my Dutch, and I have tried -- my wife is Dutch, from Den Haag!
@@nederlandsinstituutvoormil6616 someone above mentioned medal for those who were involved / fought and made it out. Is that true? My dad was one of them and I am in the process of getting his military records which hopefully will tell me which ship he was on.
What a disgrace!