When the trap door opens to allow the sphere to pass there would be significant downward pressure from the water and the sphere would not pass and the water column would fall. There would need to be a series of gates like a lock that ships use to pass dams.
@@AlbanLemaire maybe by falling from certain height it could immerse under level, you can make sphere of concrete or metal and balance density to be appropriate ?
I don't think it will work. When you open the left side gate to insert the ball, it will lose water volume equivalent to the ball volume. Then by closing it and opening the left side gate, when it starts rising, the water from the vertical column/pipe (left side) will try to rush into the bottom tank, as the ball enters the vertical pipe it will create a space for water (equivalent to ball volume). It is very important to refill that need immediately without consuming energy, or else it will not work 24*7 as claimed. The principle used to refill should be so efficient that it should consume very little or no energy at all. Let's say we are trying to achieve it using gravity. The water that is going to enter will face pressure as the water level in the main vertical pipe is high, hence it will not enter the lower tank without external pumping.
Can't work as ball has volume which make water from the right go up. I spent half life thinking on this model trying to solve the ball passing to the water section without water going up from the right
This works on a *SMALL* scale and not a large scale because of several reasons. 1, the number of spheres in the water column must be kept constant, otherwise water levels will drop below the drop of ledge, thus ending the cycle. This effect is less likely to be as visible/problematic on a small scale. 2, the energy required to open and close the gates at the bottom of the columns in not unsubstantial, and it’s arguably quite significant, especially at the proposed size.
@@RenewJoule the float has to displace some amount of water, and to get that water back requires additional energy input. Hypothetically Even a ram pump, which doesn’t require electricity, uses *energy*. There’s no such thing as free energy.
@@embers_falling it gets water back with gravitational impact, electricity only require to open and close gates and to hold sphere at top of air tower, for sphere release mechanism
Main mechanism is bottom tank and water displacement from bottom tank to top of left side water tank and it should be quick, you can do it without applying outside energy. You can use additional force of falling sphere. Here VT is 55 m/s, we control it to 20 m/s, rest speed of falling sphere is used by mechanism to transfer water quickly
@@JohannesDavidsen in December 2024 it will start production. Structure of plant built from RCC so inside view is difficult during operation. You can see monitoring system and export of electricity from plant
I hope this possible, but it's not. What can make this water column not drain ?? Is you create vacuum or what ?? Atmosphere pressure will push this water column if not vacuum. And I don't find any vacuum chamber installed in your design. What energy the vacuum need to keep the water column, not drain. ?
Long conveyer/timing belt control the speed of falling spheres, terminal velocity of spheres from 100 meters hight is around 54-55 meters/sec, we have to break it to 20 meters per second so we require long traveling/timing belt
Since 15 years, I have been dealing with angular energy electricity generation systems (R&D). My positive designs about angular continue. In this regard, my own financial means are insufficient, I had meetings with many businessmen, they accepted the financing of the project, but they gave up when it came to signing a protocol, that is, when it came to formalisation. If there is an entrepreneur who will take firm steps with me on this path, who is idealistic, has financial means and wants to make an official protocol, I would like to meet. 98% of the published videos are wrong and do not work. I know the mistake they all make.
Surely the water must drain out of the column as the doors open to let the ball drop in. Try a gas that vaporizes at a subterranean temperature, burry some pipes in the flowing ground water, as the vapor rises to the surface , and the above ground temperature is cold, condense the gas into a liquid as it flows down hill into a large holding tank. From the holding tank it descends down several hundred feet of pipe to impart motion to a turbine device to generate electricity then flow back to the pipe submersed in ground water to be vaporized again..
@@josephbunani3496 I commend your efforts, perpetuallity is the trend of the future. Good idea to use buoyancy , next I recomend you try same concept with a gas. As the gas rises to the surface in winter's cold it condenses in a heat exchanger that is sloping down hill (could be warming the snow off solar panels). the condensed gas flows down and accumulates where it falls several hundred feet down a pipe and hits a turbine the spins a generator, then the liquid flows through some pipes in the flowing ground water where it boils and ascends to the surface. a closed loop system, gas like butane would work...happy experimenting
@@shahzadadil774 Good question, due to velocity of 20 meter per second and mechanism of underground tank. Here we have mentioned only conceptual drawings for easy understanding
first thing idon't see is water displacement when the ball enters the system which would them mean water in the main cyclinder would fall too eventually draining it
@@sshutupurface8345 You are right, we didn't disclose here water displacement mechanism, but same volume of ball's water displaced during entering the ball in side unground water tank and making place for ball to enter in side tank. This is conceptual drawings only for explaining. Underground mechanism is very different than displayed here
@@RenewJoule so how does that work because for water to enter it would need to displace the equal amount of water, and if its a closed system the water would have to come out where it enters, which means when the cycliider doors opens it would would then remove the same amount of water from the upright cyclinder
@@RenewJoule I sat a long thinking about this about 10 years ago, ended up realising perpentual has never been done, work required is to make it work will always be equal to the power produced. I thenmoved onto the bay of Fundy as it has 14m tides which would allow you to generator power from the rise and fall using floatation, for example aship weighs 5000 tons but its too far away from everything to run power lines, the formula would be 5000 000 kg x 9.81ms x 14m /3600 = 190kwh per tide rise or fall twice a day x 4 so 760kwh day
that is free energy, the same applies to hydro generation dams use solar and wind power to pump it up during day and let it out at night, its a big battery, also closed loop like your system
but how will the ball go down in the water when it falls under gravity and enter ino the water its gonna come up to the surface no ? its density is 80% of the water no ? so how will it go down again in the water ?
@@malithsumodhya3897 really a nice question, think on it you will find out answer. Speed and weight of ball moves water far from center of ball entering point, like when you throw stone in water, water go far from impacted area, where go it is our mechanism. So don't worry water will not come out from entering point of ball
@@RenewJoule im very interested in this module, how can i get some more information about these mechanisms ? im doing my research on using buoyancy to generate electricity.If i could get some information it will be a big help for me.
Yes, you are right, this animation is only for concept explain, we have guide for spheres from bottom tank to air tower top, also quick water displacement system, controller for falling spheres, controllers for upward going spheres in water etc..
In water column(buoyancy tower) from bottom to top sphere takes more than 60 seconds because we have more than 18 spheres in water column so we can't give more speed in water column and we require minimum 8 spheres in water column to push and move top sphere to air column(gravity tower), we control speed to going up in water column
La partie inférieure est tout simplement irréalisable. De plus, la boule flotte ou coule en fonction de ce qui vous arrange (sur le tapis elle coule, dans le tube elle flote). Il y a aussi une incompréhension de votre part des principes de repartition des pressions hydraulique, comme le démontre l'expérience de Pascal... C'est tout simplement impossible !
Yes energy used by mechanism like to open-close lock gates and push water to top of water tower, but here natural forces like gravity and buoyancy help us to push water up from bottom water tank. Total 600kw electricity consumed by all mechanism and energy generated equal to 10400kw
@@RenewJoule Igor has more or less the same system. What we can say about the energy is that in fact all the energy that is at work inside the system comes from one unit of water traveling down. The less dense object goes up when submerged in the liquid, but it goes down outside, therefore those two cancel each other out. Igor Beletskiy th-cam.com/video/OpYrG6jGRD8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=IgorBeletskiy
This is interesting. I developed the SAME EXACT system before. I have dozens of diagrams I've written up. Granted this model is very simplified as it doesn't account for a few energy loss factors nor a couple of the effects of fluid dynamics. Still a fun system design though. There is one huge flaw that debunks the whole system, unfortunately. The energy to LIFT the ball doesn't come from no where. It comes from the water at the top of the cylinder. An example of this flaw is imagine you let fluid dynamics move the ball from the bottom of the cylinder to the top of the cylinder. You move the ball to the generator. Now, you have less water (the area of the ball worth) at the top then you did before. This is important because thanks to Bernoulli we know the pressure at the bottom of the cylinder has less potential difference than the water at the top. You're essentially replacing the potential energy of the top of the water w the ball. It turns out, it's actually more efficient to just move the water from the top of the cylinder to run the generator. In either case, you need to generate the energy to move water from the bottom of the system to the top, which is proportional to the generator output plus losses. I put a lot of time into this model as well. It may not be the best but you learn a lot from it and it makes for a decent battery of sorts!
"Unfortunately. The energy to LIFT the ball doesn't come from nowhere. It comes from the water at the top of the cylinderé" NO SIR it instead comes from the buoyance of the Archimede force exerted by the water on any object that has a density. so this system works, sorry.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 Вы украли мою идею! Но я вас прощаю🙂! Это не работает. Когда шар входит в воду справа, то он вытесняет воду в объеме шара. Шлюх закрылся, а вода осталась снаружи шлюха. Открывается шлюз слева, шар всплывает, а освободившееся место занимает вода сверху, шлюз закрылся, а вода осталась внизу Дальше цикл повторяется до тех пор пока пока столб воды слева не передавят вправо. И с каждым следующим циклом шар справа погрузить в нижний короб все сложнее. Это бесполезное потребление энергии, а не генерация энергии! ***** 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 You have stolen my idea! But I forgive you🙂! It doesn't work. When the ball enters the water from the right, it displaces water in the volume of the ball. The sluice box is closed, and the water remains outside the sluice box. The sluice box on the left opens, the ball floats up, and the vacant space is occupied by water from above, the sluice box is closed, and the water remains below. Then the cycle repeats until the column of water from the left is pushed to the right. And with each subsequent cycle, it becomes more and more difficult to submerge the ball from the right into the lower box. This is a useless consumption of energy, not energy generation!
David - give some links or videos of your experience with this technique - I'm very interested
When the trap door opens to allow the sphere to pass there would be significant downward pressure from the water and the sphere would not pass and the water column would fall. There would need to be a series of gates like a lock that ships use to pass dams.
Yes, we have taken care of all issues
If the steel sphere floats, how do you force it to enter water in the bottom tank ?
If you force it, that means energy wasted...
@@AlbanLemaire maybe by falling from certain height it could immerse under level, you can make sphere of concrete or metal and balance density to be appropriate ?
Create check valves
@@AlbanLemaire we tap only 10.4 mws, total available PE is more than 5 times of 10.4 mws
I don't think it will work. When you open the left side gate to insert the ball, it will lose water volume equivalent to the ball volume. Then by closing it and opening the left side gate, when it starts rising, the water from the vertical column/pipe (left side) will try to rush into the bottom tank, as the ball enters the vertical pipe it will create a space for water (equivalent to ball volume). It is very important to refill that need immediately without consuming energy, or else it will not work 24*7 as claimed. The principle used to refill should be so efficient that it should consume very little or no energy at all.
Let's say we are trying to achieve it using gravity. The water that is going to enter will face pressure as the water level in the main vertical pipe is high, hence it will not enter the lower tank without external pumping.
Can't work as ball has volume which make water from the right go up. I spent half life thinking on this model trying to solve the ball passing to the water section without water going up from the right
Sir, thanks for your observation, we have taken care of all issues
displacement? floatation is caused by displacement and weight
This works on a *SMALL* scale and not a large scale because of several reasons. 1, the number of spheres in the water column must be kept constant, otherwise water levels will drop below the drop of ledge, thus ending the cycle. This effect is less likely to be as visible/problematic on a small scale. 2, the energy required to open and close the gates at the bottom of the columns in not unsubstantial, and it’s arguably quite significant, especially at the proposed size.
th-cam.com/video/W7wSDB7Swmk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5HJusZRsL770TEON
Do watch above mechanism, it is easy apply this type of mechanism to maintain water level in water tower
@@RenewJoule the float has to displace some amount of water, and to get that water back requires additional energy input. Hypothetically Even a ram pump, which doesn’t require electricity, uses *energy*. There’s no such thing as free energy.
@@embers_falling it gets water back with gravitational impact, electricity only require to open and close gates and to hold sphere at top of air tower, for sphere release mechanism
That is so funny, I had this same idea just 2 years ago, I just couldn’t figure out the bottom part, but I knew that it was possible.
Main mechanism is bottom tank and water displacement from bottom tank to top of left side water tank and it should be quick, you can do it without applying outside energy. You can use additional force of falling sphere. Here VT is 55 m/s, we control it to 20 m/s, rest speed of falling sphere is used by mechanism to transfer water quickly
@@RenewJoule i would love to see an replication in real video.
I think it's still possible todo this, can't wait for more.
@@JohannesDavidsen you will see very soon 10.4 mws plant producing electricity, thanks for your comments
@@RenewJoule cool can't wait to see it 👍
@@JohannesDavidsen in December 2024 it will start production. Structure of plant built from RCC so inside view is difficult during operation. You can see monitoring system and export of electricity from plant
I hope this possible, but it's not.
What can make this water column not drain ?? Is you create vacuum or what ??
Atmosphere pressure will push this water column if not vacuum. And I don't find any vacuum chamber installed in your design.
What energy the vacuum need to keep the water column, not drain. ?
could also do more gaps above and bellow the freefall collector so more balls could be accomodated to generate more electricity
Long conveyer/timing belt control the speed of falling spheres, terminal velocity of spheres from 100 meters hight is around 54-55 meters/sec, we have to break it to 20 meters per second so we require long traveling/timing belt
Since 15 years, I have been dealing with angular energy electricity generation systems (R&D). My positive designs about angular continue. In this regard, my own financial means are insufficient, I had meetings with many businessmen, they accepted the financing of the project, but they gave up when it came to signing a protocol, that is, when it came to formalisation. If there is an entrepreneur who will take firm steps with me on this path, who is idealistic, has financial means and wants to make an official protocol, I would like to meet. 98% of the published videos are wrong and do not work. I know the mistake they all make.
@@SINANOZYOLDAS Thanks for your comments
Surely the water must drain out of the column as the doors open to let the ball drop in. Try a gas that vaporizes at a subterranean temperature, burry some pipes in the flowing ground water, as the vapor rises to the surface , and the above ground temperature is cold, condense the gas into a liquid as it flows down hill into a large holding tank. From the holding tank it descends down several hundred feet of pipe to impart motion to a turbine device to generate electricity then flow back to the pipe submersed in ground water to be vaporized again..
We have already taken care of all issues, this is only conceptual animation for easy understanding
these issues can be solve, the main problem is the gate mechanism, it need too much pressure to close and open the gate,.
@@josephbunani3496 I commend your efforts, perpetuallity is the trend of the future. Good idea to use buoyancy , next I recomend you try same concept with a gas. As the gas rises to the surface in winter's cold it condenses in a heat exchanger that is sloping down hill (could be warming the snow off solar panels). the condensed gas flows down and accumulates where it falls several hundred feet down a pipe and hits a turbine the spins a generator, then the liquid flows through some pipes in the flowing ground water where it boils and ascends to the surface. a closed loop system, gas like butane would work...happy experimenting
How the first ball will enter the water and move towards left side when its density is lower than water?
@@shahzadadil774 Good question, due to velocity of 20 meter per second and mechanism of underground tank. Here we have mentioned only conceptual drawings for easy understanding
Good consept
rising spheres also have potential energy that could be useful?
Yes, we use rising sphere's buoyant energy to push other spheres to go up, so there is no space among spheres in water column
first thing idon't see is water displacement when the ball enters the system which would them mean water in the main cyclinder would fall too eventually draining it
@@sshutupurface8345 You are right, we didn't disclose here water displacement mechanism, but same volume of ball's water displaced during entering the ball in side unground water tank and making place for ball to enter in side tank. This is conceptual drawings only for explaining. Underground mechanism is very different than displayed here
@@RenewJoule so how does that work because for water to enter it would need to displace the equal amount of water, and if its a closed system the water would have to come out where it enters, which means when the cycliider doors opens it would would then remove the same amount of water from the upright cyclinder
At this moment we can't disclose or describe this mechanism, this is proprietary mechanism of Renew Joule
@@RenewJoule I sat a long thinking about this about 10 years ago, ended up realising perpentual has never been done, work required is to make it work will always be equal to the power produced. I thenmoved onto the bay of Fundy as it has 14m tides which would allow you to generator power from the rise and fall using floatation, for example aship weighs 5000 tons but its too far away from everything to run power lines, the formula would be 5000 000 kg x 9.81ms x 14m /3600 = 190kwh per tide rise or fall twice a day x 4 so 760kwh day
that is free energy, the same applies to hydro generation dams use solar and wind power to pump it up during day and let it out at night, its a big battery, also closed loop like your system
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but how will the ball go down in the water when it falls under gravity and enter ino the water its gonna come up to the surface no ? its density is 80% of the water no ? so how will it go down again in the water ?
@@malithsumodhya3897 really a nice question, think on it you will find out answer. Speed and weight of ball moves water far from center of ball entering point, like when you throw stone in water, water go far from impacted area, where go it is our mechanism. So don't worry water will not come out from entering point of ball
@@RenewJoule im very interested in this module, how can i get some more information about these mechanisms ? im doing my research on using buoyancy to generate electricity.If i could get some information it will be a big help for me.
@@malithsumodhya3897 Sure we will
also the bottom water tank needs an air pocket and and guide upward going balls to the water lift
Yes, you are right, this animation is only for concept explain, we have guide for spheres from bottom tank to air tower top, also quick water displacement system, controller for falling spheres, controllers for upward going spheres in water etc..
On the right column we have gravitational drop and on 125 high the sphere need 5 seconds. What time will take a sphere on ascension side?
In water column(buoyancy tower) from bottom to top sphere takes more than 60 seconds because we have more than 18 spheres in water column so we can't give more speed in water column and we require minimum 8 spheres in water column to push and move top sphere to air column(gravity tower), we control speed to going up in water column
One litre of gasoline contains the energy equivalent to 8.9 kWh = nz$2.69
@@sshutupurface8345 We can't compete with fossil fuels
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@@احمدالعريقي-ر9ذ Principal of gravity and buoyancy can't be patented
La partie inférieure est tout simplement irréalisable. De plus, la boule flotte ou coule en fonction de ce qui vous arrange (sur le tapis elle coule, dans le tube elle flote). Il y a aussi une incompréhension de votre part des principes de repartition des pressions hydraulique, comme le démontre l'expérience de Pascal...
C'est tout simplement impossible !
at the bottom of the rotational shaft there needs to be air space so the balls would accumulate and by weight push other balls underwater
This is conceptual animation only, underground tank has different mechanism
Build it
I think this is good idea i am from India
Violation of the law of conservation of energy.
In other words, the apparatus 'consumes' energy.
Yes energy used by mechanism like to open-close lock gates and push water to top of water tower, but here natural forces like gravity and buoyancy help us to push water up from bottom water tank. Total 600kw electricity consumed by all mechanism and energy generated equal to 10400kw
@@RenewJoule You're a spinner, draw the force diagram, or better yet, build the model.
@@RenewJoule Igor has more or less the same system.
What we can say about the energy is that in fact all the energy that is at work inside the system comes from one unit of water traveling down.
The less dense object goes up when submerged in the liquid, but it goes down outside, therefore those two cancel each other out.
Igor Beletskiy
th-cam.com/video/OpYrG6jGRD8/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=IgorBeletskiy
Small problem to solve. The volume of the bal wil create water overflow . Loosing water from the pipe and it stops.😊
This is interesting. I developed the SAME EXACT system before. I have dozens of diagrams I've written up. Granted this model is very simplified as it doesn't account for a few energy loss factors nor a couple of the effects of fluid dynamics. Still a fun system design though.
There is one huge flaw that debunks the whole system, unfortunately. The energy to LIFT the ball doesn't come from no where. It comes from the water at the top of the cylinder. An example of this flaw is imagine you let fluid dynamics move the ball from the bottom of the cylinder to the top of the cylinder. You move the ball to the generator. Now, you have less water (the area of the ball worth) at the top then you did before. This is important because thanks to Bernoulli we know the pressure at the bottom of the cylinder has less potential difference than the water at the top. You're essentially replacing the potential energy of the top of the water w the ball. It turns out, it's actually more efficient to just move the water from the top of the cylinder to run the generator.
In either case, you need to generate the energy to move water from the bottom of the system to the top, which is proportional to the generator output plus losses. I put a lot of time into this model as well. It may not be the best but you learn a lot from it and it makes for a decent battery of sorts!
"Unfortunately. The energy to LIFT the ball doesn't come from nowhere. It comes from the water at the top of the cylinderé" NO SIR it instead comes from the buoyance of the Archimede force exerted by the water on any object that has a density. so this system works, sorry.
@@Dahbby01 David - give some links or videos of your experience with this technique - I'm very interested
David - give some links or videos of your experience with this technique - I'm very interested
Why not water and crude oil
@@rothchanpitou we are using water only
Can it works?🤔
Yes it is simple, only you should know how to control water movement without using electricity
You use two valve back to back in the down' sides and open one by one in under water first out of water and second in the water in seriel lines
Well that's a good idea. If it's possible why not creating the real one and post it here.
Very soon we are going to open one CLVHT project in USA, height is 125 meters as explained in animation
Quando abrisse essa comporta ia exlpodir agua
Yes you are right, water will come from water tower's gate, but water not comes out from air tower side gate
Science in beauty.
No funciona, pero buen intento.
Thanks for your comment
Это модель не работает и работать не будет
This is not perpetual mechanism, this principle applied many places for different uses and work properly
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 Вы украли мою идею! Но я вас прощаю🙂! Это не работает. Когда шар входит в воду справа, то он вытесняет воду в объеме шара. Шлюх закрылся, а вода осталась снаружи шлюха. Открывается шлюз слева, шар всплывает, а освободившееся место занимает вода сверху, шлюз закрылся, а вода осталась внизу Дальше цикл повторяется до тех пор пока пока столб воды слева не передавят вправо. И с каждым следующим циклом шар справа погрузить в нижний короб все сложнее. Это бесполезное потребление энергии, а не генерация энергии!
*****
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 You have stolen my idea! But I forgive you🙂! It doesn't work. When the ball enters the water from the right, it displaces water in the volume of the ball. The sluice box is closed, and the water remains outside the sluice box. The sluice box on the left opens, the ball floats up, and the vacant space is occupied by water from above, the sluice box is closed, and the water remains below. Then the cycle repeats until the column of water from the left is pushed to the right. And with each subsequent cycle, it becomes more and more difficult to submerge the ball from the right into the lower box. This is a useless consumption of energy, not energy generation!
@@niknikov4752 Thanks for your comment. If you had tried you could found the solution 👍🏻