The Messiah was murdered. IF somebody is murdered ..is that considered a self sacrifice? He did not want to die. That's why Jesus prayed to ask the father to forfeit his death. If the Messiah suppose to fulfill all the "prophecies " predicted about him in the Old Testament as God himself inspired the prophets to predict the coming of the Messiah... especially his death and resurrection. Where in the Bible in the OT says that he will be crucified and not murdered hang on a tree? Was Jesus judged according to the Jewish Law to fulfill the messianic prophecies or Roman Law which was death on a cross? This video will give you the answer according to the prophecies and explained why if you watch the whole thing. th-cam.com/video/CzrWlONmk1k/w-d-xo.html
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While praying the rosary, meditation on the scourging.......I suddenly envisioned that I was the one who the whipping Jesus and then He looked up at me......... I cried cause that look He gave me..........I can only describe as I saw what I believe is what the phrase "Father, forgive him, for he knows not what he does" looks like You don't ever want to see that Many of my protestant friends say that I'm crucifying Jesus every time I wear my crucifix. I tell them that every single sin I continue to do, mortal or venial, that I am doing just that. So I have my crucifix to see what I do not want to see.........what He went thru because of me and that look. They say they don't need to be reminded of that. I say some people truly need to see it, to truly understand, though I don't wish them too How can I, or anyone, say I love you Jesus, and then commit a sin. No you don't love Him Cause if you did........you would do everything He asked of you, without fail.......because you truly love Him Peace be with you
Painful and Powerfully moving in reality one cannot begin imagining as one listen to this wonderful piece of video on Crucifixion:The cruelty of the cross!when we sin with our disobedience instead of aligning our will “to His Will “we crucifying Him again and again,therefore put an end in offending Him by our sins both mortal and venial.
Crucifixion was a cruel, ugly, and dreadful punishment indeed during ancient times, as was scourging, which was uglier and more excruciatingly painful. I could never dare to imagine even inflicting this horrible form of punishment on anyone, much less undergoing it myself.
Good video. I'd also note there was a humiliation factor at play. Unlike how portrayed in movies, crucifixion involved a lot of bobbing up and down; up to breathe, down to rest (as much as possible). When suspended by arms in this manner, the victim can't breathe at the bottom (that's why the step normally is placed there, and why someone with broken legs would die in a minute or two vice hours). So not only excruciating, but everyone who is watching you die also is seeing you bob up and down just to breathe. (Don't get me wrong if I was making a movie about Christ, I wouldn't show this, either.)
Apparently a major part of crucifixion was humiliations and this was inflicted by hanging them naked. So why not mention this? Whats with all this loincloth business? ?
Oh, it gets even worse. You were hanged completely naked and a short horn-shaped stake or _stipes/acuta-crux/palus/cornu_ was placed strategically beneath you so that on your descent it pierced the anus. This is the sort of execution Origen envisioned in his phrase, _mors turpissima crucis_ (the utterly vile death of the cross). It's in the writings of several ancients and Antenicene Church Fathers and it's in a few pieces of commoner epigraphy if you know what to look for and know where to look.
The humiliation factor that the Romans incorporated into the crucifixion process began right at the outset with the scourging of the condemned. For this the condemned were stripped completely naked. In addition to the dreadful physical pain of the scourging, the condemned was also subjected to humiliating mockery that was both verbally and physically sexuually abusive. Some authorities also contend that, entirely naked in a local jail or barracks for their scourging, condemned were sometimes sodomised by soldiers ( or vaginally raped in the case of women condemned to death by crucifixion). Having been stripped for scourging, the condemned now remained stark-naked as they ran the guantlet of being paraded through jeering crowds to the place of execution. Bleeding from wounds inflicted by their scourging and with their bared genitals on public display, the condemned now suffered mockery, ridicule, verbal and physical sexual abuse from crowds for whom this was all a free public entertainment. Once at the place of execution the naked prisoner would be nailed or tied to the cross to begin their agonisingly protracted death stripped totally of every ounce of personal dignity. If crucified on an eye level cross, where they were virtually at the same level as onlookers, then it is suggested the condemned were frequently subjected to ongoing abuse even as they suffered the excruciating physical agony of crucifixion. The Romans fully intended crucifixion to be both an agonising death and a horrendously humiliating one that utterly degraded the condemned; they succeeded on both counts.
Now I See You AVAH Yeshua When there is Hardships and trials.. I saw you How you died For my SINS and redeemed ME and Will return for Us to Save US and Bring US to HIS Kingdom.. Thank YOU AVAH you let me see things of this world, and HOW you are existing in all of IT.. You are in Control even we must pass the Test that we face and way we have chose.. You still there to Restore US and give us HOPE.. Your blood washed US clean.. YOUR shame on that Cross is greater Than my Shame though you didn't made SIN.. Your perfect AGAPE LOVE bring LIFE and make US whole again
The Messiah was murdered. IF somebody is murdered ..is that considered a self sacrifice? He did not want to die. That's why Jesus prayed to ask the father to forfeit his death. If the Messiah suppose to fulfill all the "prophecies " predicted about him in the Old Testament as God himself inspired the prophets to predict the coming of the Messiah... especially his death and resurrection. Where in the Bible in the OT says that he will be crucified and not murdered hang on a tree? Was Jesus judged according to the Jewish Law to fulfill the messianic prophecies or Roman Law which was death on a cross? This video will give you the answer according to the prophecies and explained why if you watch the whole thing. th-cam.com/video/CzrWlONmk1k/w-d-xo.html
What were the principle learning points for each teaching parables gifted to us by CHRIST JESUS? What were the principle learning points for each teaching miracle gifted to us by CHRIST JESUS? Perhaps, DO UNTO OTHERS, AS I YOU WOULD HAVE DONE UNTO TO YOU?!?
The Cross is the Tree of Life in the New Jerusalem. The tree of life is the source of eternal life in the Garden of Eden. Access is no longer forbidden, for those who wash their robes have right to the tree of life. The tree of life is promised as a reward to those who overcome.
Some theologians question whether God is the Supreme child beater and ask whether He could have arranged for a less violent form of death for his son. Dr. Pitre here -- perhaps unintentionally -- provides a partial answer (it was Roman cruelty). But is there a more direct answer to the question: why did Jesus have to suffer so ignominiously to atone for the sins of mankind?
the reason why Our Lord Sweated blood in the garden of Gethsemane , he was well aware about the torture of his fate.He was thirty something,..He could have said to Pilate."yes I was wrong" or to the Jews who judged Him first. But He did not budge. His immensity of His Love, and the Cross represents His divine Love, as He saw us, yes, you and me, down the centuries and all our transgressions howsoever bad, will never be counted, any suggestion of hell or even purgatory to repentant catholic diminishes His sacrifice and His mission.
In the one painting the "good" thief almost looks beautiful and slightly "effeminate". Is that the Artist way of portraying him as the "Angel" he allegedly would become?.
Both thieves would have suffered protracted agony as the nails accomplished their gruesome work. I much prefer the naughty thief who stayed true to himself and accepted the lesson the nails taught him. The faces of both thieves would have been contorted in unbearable pain and their naked bodies shuddering and writhing.
The Messiah was murdered. IF somebody is murdered ..is that considered a self sacrifice? He did not want to die. That's why Jesus prayed to ask the father to forfeit his death. If the Messiah suppose to fulfill all the "prophecies " predicted about him in the Old Testament as God himself inspired the prophets to predict the coming of the Messiah... especially his death and resurrection. Where in the Bible in the OT says that he will be crucified and not murdered hang on a tree? Was Jesus judged according to the Jewish Law to fulfill the messianic prophecies or Roman Law which was death on a cross? This video will give you the answer according to the prophecies and explained why if you watch the whole thing. th-cam.com/video/CzrWlONmk1k/w-d-xo.html
According to who? If you are talking about a "pacifist" Jesus, created by clever Flavian political strategists, in order to create a docile citizenry, more easy to govern in ancient Rome, I believe from a book by Joe Atwill, imo that is one example of a conspiracy "theory" written by someone who researches history to find the conspiracies, and who got too carried away with his game of connecting dots. I do admire his more contemporary analyses, but in the first century there is not enough documented history to confirm this one, and imo the writers of the NT are much more credible than Mr. Atwill.
AGREED: The Messiah was murdered. IF somebody is murdered ..is that considered a self sacrifice? He did not want to die. That's why Jesus prayed to ask the father to forfeit his death. If the Messiah suppose to fulfill all the "prophecies " predicted about him in the Old Testament as God himself inspired the prophets to predict the coming of the Messiah... especially his death and resurrection. Where in the Bible in the OT says that he will be crucified and not murdered hang on a tree? Was Jesus judged according to the Jewish Law to fulfill the messianic prophecies or Roman Law which was death on a cross? This video will give you the answer according to the prophecies and explained why if you watch the whole thing. th-cam.com/video/CzrWlONmk1k/w-d-xo.html
Instaurare Omnia In Christo , how do you pray the Sorrowful Mysteries with the Divine Mercy Chaplet? The Hail Marys AND “for the sake of his sorrowful passion have mercy on us and the whole world” I’m confused.
And worse, either penetrated by an _acuta crux_ or at the very least seated astride a stout dowel that passed between the legs as a concession to the Jews. Either way it was a cruel and utterly humiliating mimicry of male on male sex. 👿 Early Church Fathers believed it was the former. Therefore it is no accident that Origen called it the _mors turpissima crucis_ (the most morally polluted death of the cross).
and I'm here living like no sacrifice was made...Lord have mercy and let me remember your passion every hour.
GESU, ISA A.S!. NON È MAI ANDATO SULLA CROCE!. PER CIÒ RITORNA ?. PER FARE I CONTI CON IPOCRITI !.
The Messiah was murdered. IF somebody is murdered ..is that considered a self sacrifice? He did not want to die. That's why Jesus prayed to ask the father to forfeit his death. If the Messiah suppose to fulfill all the "prophecies " predicted about him in the Old Testament as God himself inspired the prophets to predict the coming of the Messiah...
especially his death and resurrection. Where in the Bible in the OT says
that he will be crucified and not murdered hang on a tree? Was Jesus
judged according to the Jewish Law to fulfill the messianic prophecies
or Roman Law which was death on a cross? This video will give you the
answer according to the prophecies and explained why if you watch the
whole thing.
th-cam.com/video/CzrWlONmk1k/w-d-xo.html
Lord be merciful unto me, a sinner.
Jesus was sacrificed because He could have avoided it.
it didnt happen.
Please Learn from MHFM OSB MOST HOLY FAMILY MONASTERY to save your soul because you absolutely need to believe in Christianity fully, purely and correctly and have the TRUE CATHOLIC FAITH (i.e. To be in the Church) to be saved.❤❤❤😊
Thank you Dr.Pitre. Your videos are very insightful and helpful. I love watching them.
St Anthony, please help me to carry mine daily.
So painful to listen to what Jesus Christ had suffered for the sake of my sin. Have mercy on me Jesus, my savior.
This helps in my rosary meditation
Thank you for this well referenced, in depth explanation of the crucifixion.
While praying the rosary, meditation on the scourging.......I suddenly envisioned that I was the one who the whipping Jesus and then He looked up at me.........
I cried cause that look He gave me..........I can only describe as I saw what I believe is what the phrase "Father, forgive him, for he knows not what he does" looks like
You don't ever want to see that
Many of my protestant friends say that I'm crucifying Jesus every time I wear my crucifix. I tell them that every single sin I continue to do, mortal or venial, that I am doing just that. So I have my crucifix to see what I do not want to see.........what He went thru because of me and that look. They say they don't need to be reminded of that. I say some people truly need to see it, to truly understand, though I don't wish them too
How can I, or anyone, say I love you Jesus, and then commit a sin.
No you don't love Him
Cause if you did........you would do everything He asked of you, without fail.......because you truly love Him
Peace be with you
Painful and Powerfully moving in reality one cannot begin imagining as one listen to this wonderful piece of video on Crucifixion:The cruelty of the cross!when we sin with our disobedience instead of aligning our will “to His Will “we crucifying Him again and again,therefore put an end in offending Him by our sins both mortal and venial.
Crucifixion was a cruel, ugly, and dreadful punishment indeed during ancient times, as was scourging, which was uglier and more excruciatingly painful. I could never dare to imagine even inflicting this horrible form of punishment on anyone, much less undergoing it myself.
we are humans. we can when we have power. u are no exception.
The little happy music at the end is just wrong, given the topic.
Good video. I'd also note there was a humiliation factor at play. Unlike how portrayed in movies, crucifixion involved a lot of bobbing up and down; up to breathe, down to rest (as much as possible). When suspended by arms in this manner, the victim can't breathe at the bottom (that's why the step normally is placed there, and why someone with broken legs would die in a minute or two vice hours). So not only excruciating, but everyone who is watching you die also is seeing you bob up and down just to breathe. (Don't get me wrong if I was making a movie about Christ, I wouldn't show this, either.)
Apparently a major part of crucifixion was humiliations and this was inflicted by hanging them naked. So why not mention this? Whats with all this loincloth business?
?
Oh, it gets even worse. You were hanged completely naked and a short horn-shaped stake or _stipes/acuta-crux/palus/cornu_ was placed strategically beneath you so that on your descent it pierced the anus. This is the sort of execution Origen envisioned in his phrase, _mors turpissima crucis_ (the utterly vile death of the cross). It's in the writings of several ancients and Antenicene Church Fathers and it's in a few pieces of commoner epigraphy if you know what to look for and know where to look.
@@duncanmckinnon often penetrated too. That's usually left out. At the very least riding a dowel that passed between the legs.
@@edwardmiessner6502 Okay. So where exactly do I look for these? Please give me as many names as possible so I can make comparisons. Thanks.
The humiliation factor that the Romans incorporated into the crucifixion process began right at the outset with the scourging of the condemned. For this the condemned were stripped completely naked. In addition to the dreadful physical pain of the scourging, the condemned was also subjected to humiliating mockery that was both verbally and physically sexuually abusive. Some authorities also contend that, entirely naked in a local jail or barracks for their scourging, condemned were sometimes sodomised by soldiers ( or vaginally raped in the case of women condemned to death by crucifixion).
Having been stripped for scourging, the condemned now remained stark-naked as they ran the guantlet of being paraded through jeering crowds to the place of execution. Bleeding from wounds inflicted by their scourging and with their bared genitals on public display, the condemned now suffered mockery, ridicule, verbal and physical sexual abuse from crowds for whom this was all a free public entertainment.
Once at the place of execution the naked prisoner would be nailed or tied to the cross to begin their agonisingly protracted death stripped totally of every ounce of personal dignity. If crucified on an eye level cross, where they were virtually at the same level as onlookers, then it is suggested the condemned were frequently subjected to ongoing abuse even as they suffered the excruciating physical agony of crucifixion. The Romans fully intended crucifixion to be both an agonising death and a horrendously humiliating one that utterly degraded the condemned; they succeeded on both counts.
Your sources are very convincing.
Now I See You AVAH Yeshua
When there is Hardships and trials.. I saw you How you died For my SINS and redeemed ME and Will return for Us to Save US and Bring US to HIS Kingdom..
Thank YOU AVAH you let me see things of this world, and HOW you are existing in all of IT.. You are in Control even we must pass the Test that we face and way we have chose.. You still there to Restore US and give us HOPE..
Your blood washed US clean..
YOUR shame on that Cross is greater Than my Shame though you didn't made SIN..
Your perfect AGAPE LOVE bring LIFE and make US whole again
The Messiah was murdered. IF somebody is murdered ..is that considered a self sacrifice? He did not want to die. That's why Jesus prayed to ask the father to forfeit his death. If the Messiah suppose to fulfill all the "prophecies " predicted about him in the Old Testament as God himself inspired the prophets to predict the coming of the Messiah...
especially his death and resurrection. Where in the Bible in the OT says
that he will be crucified and not murdered hang on a tree? Was Jesus
judged according to the Jewish Law to fulfill the messianic prophecies
or Roman Law which was death on a cross? This video will give you the
answer according to the prophecies and explained why if you watch the
whole thing.
th-cam.com/video/CzrWlONmk1k/w-d-xo.html
What were the principle learning points for each teaching parables gifted to us by CHRIST JESUS? What were the principle learning points for each teaching miracle gifted to us by CHRIST JESUS?
Perhaps, DO UNTO OTHERS, AS I YOU WOULD HAVE DONE UNTO TO YOU?!?
Thank You Lord Jesus Christ for Your Love
The Cross is the Tree of Life in the New Jerusalem. The tree of life is the source of eternal life in the Garden of Eden. Access is no longer forbidden, for those who wash their robes have right to the tree of life. The tree of life is promised as a reward to those who overcome.
Some theologians question whether God is the Supreme child beater and ask whether He could have arranged for a less violent form of death for his son. Dr. Pitre here -- perhaps unintentionally -- provides a partial answer (it was Roman cruelty). But is there a more direct answer to the question: why did Jesus have to suffer so ignominiously to atone for the sins of mankind?
the reason why Our Lord Sweated blood in the garden of Gethsemane , he was well aware about the torture of his fate.He was thirty something,..He could have said to Pilate."yes I was wrong" or to the Jews who judged Him first. But He did not budge. His immensity of His Love, and the Cross represents His divine Love, as He saw us, yes, you and me, down the centuries and all our transgressions howsoever bad, will never be counted, any suggestion of hell or even purgatory to repentant catholic diminishes His sacrifice and His mission.
Amen.
Grunewald doesn't spare us the horror of the crucifixion
In the one painting the "good" thief almost looks beautiful and slightly "effeminate". Is that the Artist way of portraying
him as the "Angel" he allegedly would become?.
Both thieves would have suffered protracted agony as the nails accomplished their gruesome work. I much prefer the naughty thief who stayed true to himself and accepted the lesson the nails taught him. The faces of both thieves would have been contorted in unbearable pain and their naked bodies shuddering and writhing.
Grunewald doesn't spare us the hideous reality of the crucifixion
😥
Why do you keep asking "Right?"
The word excruciating comes from the Latin word excruciatus - out of the cross.
The Messiah was murdered. IF somebody is murdered ..is that considered a self sacrifice? He did not want to die. That's why Jesus prayed to ask the father to forfeit his death. If the Messiah suppose to fulfill all the "prophecies " predicted about him in the Old Testament as God himself inspired the prophets to predict the coming of the Messiah...
especially his death and resurrection. Where in the Bible in the OT says
that he will be crucified and not murdered hang on a tree? Was Jesus
judged according to the Jewish Law to fulfill the messianic prophecies
or Roman Law which was death on a cross? This video will give you the
answer according to the prophecies and explained why if you watch the
whole thing.
th-cam.com/video/CzrWlONmk1k/w-d-xo.html
Well literally but it commonly referred to one who was tortured completely
There's nothing beautiful about the cross.
Greater love has no one than this. To lay down his life for his friends.
so terryfying torture
Flavians created the new testament
And where did you get that idea??
@@stephenmurphy9329 it is history
According to who? If you are talking about a "pacifist" Jesus, created by clever Flavian political strategists, in order to create a docile citizenry, more easy to govern in ancient Rome, I believe from a book by Joe Atwill, imo that is one example of a conspiracy "theory" written by someone who researches history to find the conspiracies, and who got too carried away with his game of connecting dots. I do admire his more contemporary analyses, but in the first century there is not enough documented history to confirm this one, and imo the writers of the NT are much more credible than Mr. Atwill.
AGREED: The Messiah was murdered. IF somebody is murdered ..is that considered a self sacrifice? He did not want to die. That's why Jesus prayed to ask the father to forfeit his death. If the Messiah suppose to fulfill all the "prophecies " predicted about him in the Old Testament as God himself inspired the prophets to predict the coming of the Messiah...
especially his death and resurrection. Where in the Bible in the OT says
that he will be crucified and not murdered hang on a tree? Was Jesus
judged according to the Jewish Law to fulfill the messianic prophecies
or Roman Law which was death on a cross? This video will give you the
answer according to the prophecies and explained why if you watch the
whole thing.
th-cam.com/video/CzrWlONmk1k/w-d-xo.html
@@matthewperry5121 flavians as in Vespasian Titus and Domitian?
Who’s praying the sorrowful mysteries today?
Of course we do!
Instaurare Omnia In Christo , how do you pray the Sorrowful Mysteries with the Divine Mercy Chaplet? The Hail Marys AND “for the sake of his sorrowful passion have mercy on us and the whole world” I’m confused.
Instaurare Omnia In Christo, Got it! Beautiful! I pray the four rosaries daily, ...will try praying one this way. Thank you!
Instaurare Omnia In Christo , Awesome! Thank you!
Jesus was completed naked. More humiliation
And worse, either penetrated by an _acuta crux_ or at the very least seated astride a stout dowel that passed between the legs as a concession to the Jews. Either way it was a cruel and utterly humiliating mimicry of male on male sex. 👿 Early Church Fathers believed it was the former. Therefore it is no accident that Origen called it the _mors turpissima crucis_ (the most morally polluted death of the cross).