Parents definitely deserve some props for taking care of their kids properly and raising them, but they also gotta understand that this is the bare minimum. Your child owes you nothing for this, you don't get to hold this over their head and you don't get to shame them for it. Your kid didn;t ask to be born, you chose to have them. And taking care of a kid you chose to have is your responsibility. Feeding your kid, giving him clothes and providing him a bed are one thing, but it's not enough to be a proper parent. Your kid's going to want nothing to do with you if you have an attitude like Denzel and they'd be right to do so.
Yeah, and you may not want to have anything to do with your kid but you still have a responsibility to them, which is what Denzel is saying here. It was understood that the child has a similar responsibility to their parent when they grow older and can't take care of themselves, that is your time to give them back what they gave to you, which is to take care of them even if you want nothing to do with them. Nowadays that has changed drastically, which means parents receive way less than what they put in when having kids, which is one of the many, many, MANY reasons people don't want to have kids anymore. Culture is changing, values are changing and there is nothing wrong with that, but we need to seriously think about the consequences of that change, that is also part of critical thinking, what are we giving in exchange for this future non-responsibility towards our parents.
He was such an SOB in this movie I just couldn't watch the entire movie. I just couldn't. Both my parents were from MS and I saw way to much of this type of parenting, not from MY parents, but from their families. My parents never once treated me the way Denzel's character does in this film. As good as the performances are, they are just too difficult to watch from two actors I've admired for many, many years.
I think two things can be true. I believe Troy was trying to protect Cory. I also think Troy was jealous of Cory. He saw Cory's athletic potential, and it convicted him because he didn’t fulfull his athletic potential because of the consequences of HIS choices. Life is 10% what happens to us and 90% how we respond. Troy CHOSE to be harsh, angry and bitter. I think Troy wanted to be a good father, but he couldn't see past his own pain. Technically, Troy was right. He didn’t have to like his son. But he never affirmed him, never validated him, never said, "I see you", never said, "I love you." So when he said, "I don’t have to like you", it came off as, "I don’t love you."
What law says his son has to respect him? My dad was so excited to see this movie with me because all he saw was this clip. He thought he was gonna turn this into a guilt trip movie against me. I loved how he looked at the end realizing that the dad is the bad guy in the movie.
"Cause you like me?"-That is the saddest line in this movie. He hoped his father did all that because he loved him, and that the "tough" facade was simply him parenting hard. Yet, when he asks, "cause you like me?", he's told no. No love. No feeling. No emotion. Just cold, heartless duty.
Troy did 3 things here 1.Telling his son he don't like him he loves him by telling him what he go through day by day for him 2. Making sure people are doing right by you not walking up and down on you in life 3.Being responsible as a father and as a man.
This also means if you word it differently "No matter what you do, no matter how bad of a person you will be, in the end you will always be my son and I will always take care of you."
The acting is great, but it's this kind of philosophy that makes terrible parents, unaffectionate, emotionally unsupportive and absent from their son's aspirations...
Consider that this is set in the sixties, the protagonists father was an abusive asshole who practically starved him, he had to grow up without a single person to guide him and he does this with the goal of making his son the best he can make him because he knows how cruel life truly is. Do all that and tell me again how this is a bad philosophy. You, and me have the luxury of being softer on our children. I can hug my son and give him a home where his chores and his homework are the hardest part of his day. I can take him to boxing and have it be a hobby for him rather than a tool he’s gonna need just to survive another day. I work a job where I can’t be discriminated against for my skin or my disability. I have health insurance and can afford to take my son to the hospital when he’s sick. The world I live in and the world you live in are paradise compared to what this man lived through. Don’t try to judge this from the modern lense because you can’t possibly comprehend the hell he lived through. And I say this as an autistic man that lived in the meth capital of northern New York when being autistic meant you were just retarded and had no future. Trust me, for what this guy went through and how shitty his father was; he’s doing great and his philosophy works for the world he lived in.
You can teach responsbility without seeming cold and contemptive of your kin. Plus, Troy is a hypocrite; goes on about being a family man and doing right by them but cheats on his wife then doesn't even apologize for it.
This conversation is richer if we understand that Troy's own father was violent, untrustworthy, and uncaring. Troy is doing a much better job as a parent.
No, it's making his son a whole lot weaker. A lot of horrible men and women became so because of broken parents like him but it's ok because it's tough love and teaches him about the world? This is not tough love - this is abuse.
Fair point, you can only improve on what you had before, if what you had before was crap, then the next best thing after that is dirt, it’s not great by any metric, it’s just better then what came before
Hi everyone! What grade (out of 10) would you give this video?
What movie?
nvm found it its called (Fences)
Nice 😊😊😊😊
Easy..10/10
Parents definitely deserve some props for taking care of their kids properly and raising them, but they also gotta understand that this is the bare minimum. Your child owes you nothing for this, you don't get to hold this over their head and you don't get to shame them for it. Your kid didn;t ask to be born, you chose to have them. And taking care of a kid you chose to have is your responsibility. Feeding your kid, giving him clothes and providing him a bed are one thing, but it's not enough to be a proper parent. Your kid's going to want nothing to do with you if you have an attitude like Denzel and they'd be right to do so.
Yeah, and you may not want to have anything to do with your kid but you still have a responsibility to them, which is what Denzel is saying here.
It was understood that the child has a similar responsibility to their parent when they grow older and can't take care of themselves, that is your time to give them back what they gave to you, which is to take care of them even if you want nothing to do with them. Nowadays that has changed drastically, which means parents receive way less than what they put in when having kids, which is one of the many, many, MANY reasons people don't want to have kids anymore. Culture is changing, values are changing and there is nothing wrong with that, but we need to seriously think about the consequences of that change, that is also part of critical thinking, what are we giving in exchange for this future non-responsibility towards our parents.
He was such an SOB in this movie I just couldn't watch the entire movie. I just couldn't. Both my parents were from MS and I saw way to much of this type of parenting, not from MY parents, but from their families. My parents never once treated me the way Denzel's character does in this film. As good as the performances are, they are just too difficult to watch from two actors I've admired for many, many years.
I think two things can be true. I believe Troy was trying to protect Cory. I also think Troy was jealous of Cory. He saw Cory's athletic potential, and it convicted him because he didn’t fulfull his athletic potential because of the consequences of HIS choices. Life is 10% what happens to us and 90% how we respond. Troy CHOSE to be harsh, angry and bitter. I think Troy wanted to be a good father, but he couldn't see past his own pain. Technically, Troy was right. He didn’t have to like his son. But he never affirmed him, never validated him, never said, "I see you", never said, "I love you." So when he said, "I don’t have to like you", it came off as, "I don’t love you."
What law says his son has to respect him?
My dad was so excited to see this movie with me because all he saw was this clip.
He thought he was gonna turn this into a guilt trip movie against me.
I loved how he looked at the end realizing that the dad is the bad guy in the movie.
"Cause you like me?"-That is the saddest line in this movie. He hoped his father did all that because he loved him, and that the "tough" facade was simply him parenting hard. Yet, when he asks, "cause you like me?", he's told no. No love. No feeling. No emotion. Just cold, heartless duty.
No love? No emotion? Don't know what you're watching..,
Troy did 3 things here 1.Telling his son he don't like him he loves him by telling him what he go through day by day for him 2. Making sure people are doing right by you not walking up and down on you in life 3.Being responsible as a father and as a man.
He’s not wrong, although I would like to add that likeness may not be part of the bargain, but love, however, is supposed be part of the duty package.
This also means if you word it differently "No matter what you do, no matter how bad of a person you will be, in the end you will always be my son and I will always take care of you."
No... 😂
@@scotttrujillo828 😅
This movie is morally grey
That's the closest to "I love you son." he was going to get...
Watched this film so many times. It's excellent.
The acting is great, but it's this kind of philosophy that makes terrible parents, unaffectionate, emotionally unsupportive and absent from their son's aspirations...
But for the era? Perhaps somewhat more apt for time.
Consider that this is set in the sixties, the protagonists father was an abusive asshole who practically starved him, he had to grow up without a single person to guide him and he does this with the goal of making his son the best he can make him because he knows how cruel life truly is. Do all that and tell me again how this is a bad philosophy.
You, and me have the luxury of being softer on our children. I can hug my son and give him a home where his chores and his homework are the hardest part of his day. I can take him to boxing and have it be a hobby for him rather than a tool he’s gonna need just to survive another day. I work a job where I can’t be discriminated against for my skin or my disability. I have health insurance and can afford to take my son to the hospital when he’s sick. The world I live in and the world you live in are paradise compared to what this man lived through. Don’t try to judge this from the modern lense because you can’t possibly comprehend the hell he lived through. And I say this as an autistic man that lived in the meth capital of northern New York when being autistic meant you were just retarded and had no future. Trust me, for what this guy went through and how shitty his father was; he’s doing great and his philosophy works for the world he lived in.
That’s one of the reasons why I don’t have children.
I know I can’t be there for them emotionally the way they would need me to be.
Your read on this is shallow.
2:35 -2:42 that is what the whole convo about
I feel like yall haven't seen this entire movie. Troy aint a good father.
@swiftchancellor159
I feel? You sound like a little b
Traumatizing huh? He was teaching him responsibility or can you not see that
Nall he was a HORRIBLE father...he needed his teeth kicked in
You can teach responsbility without seeming cold and contemptive of your kin. Plus, Troy is a hypocrite; goes on about being a family man and doing right by them but cheats on his wife then doesn't even apologize for it.
@GeorgiaPound77
These modern women, son husbands, and simps, can’t see the forest from the trees.
Movie: Fences
Thanks for the title. Box office Movie Scenes doesn’t realize that we would like to see the movie title in their description.
Smh.
This conversation is richer if we understand that Troy's own father was violent, untrustworthy, and uncaring. Troy is doing a much better job as a parent.
No, it's making his son a whole lot weaker. A lot of horrible men and women became so because of broken parents like him but it's ok because it's tough love and teaches him about the world? This is not tough love - this is abuse.
Troy is as much violent, untrustqorthy and uncaring
@@sauromatae9728 Not even close to his dad's violence. His dad tried to rape Troy's girlfriend.
Have you watched the entire movie?
Fair point, you can only improve on what you had before, if what you had before was crap, then the next best thing after that is dirt, it’s not great by any metric, it’s just better then what came before
Ah the dad is not only abusive, but he's a racist!
hahaha if its a joke funny
if not you can tell ur dad didnt give you any speech like that
*Here's the point.....................................................................................Here's you.*
Missed it.🙄
@BrianVaughnVA
The Caucasity of you wht boy.