@@lapplandkun9273 Sixx still playing Link i watch the Dreamhack Rotterdan just to see how Sixx deal against Zain, was hard to see lol, but he still playing and main Link, i watch him some times on Ice stream (before the covid19 crisis)
I was at that avalon. And looking back, I didn't realize how awesome his neutral was at the time. His conversions are pretty darn creative too. Thank you for making this!
This is what the future of melee should look like. Instead of spending decades grinding out the same characters i wanna see some diversity and i wanna see characters who aren't as great tap into their full potential
I mean this is why I'm grateful for aMSa and Axe - they bring in some diversity to the pro scene. I'd love to see more characters be represented, though I'll admit I'm pretty happy with current diversity. Thanks for watching the video phillfraggy!
It goes to show that because of the depth of mechanics, a lot of the lower tiers in Melee aren't far away from being good. A lot of the mid tiers like Link would really only need a couple buffs to be viable.
I'd agree with that assessment! I think a lot of it comes down to mechanics, but yeah a couple of tweaks here and there I think could really make a couple of characters viable. Thank you as always for watching, SmashTurtle!
Hot take I think Link is totally viable, he just needs that godlike player to put all the different Link styles together to create one big monstrosity of mixups, traps, and zoning. For the record I'm a Link main so I might be a little biased (I'm also not that good at the game, but I do be makin hoes mad on netplay right n left)
@@TheKornstalker I do not agree with you. While I agree that their are multiple styles in which to play Link and that no one has shown 100% mastery of all styles, I think in Melee that's fairly irrelevant. Link is held back by several fundamental flaws: Horrible grounded base movement options (Dash/Dash dance/Run/Wavedash) Bad jumpsquat (6f) Terrible grab (slow which makes it bad OOS and for whiff punish and can't grab airborn opponents which means SHFFL spam is even stronger against him) Slow frame data Weaker combos/confirms -- Now a character can have one of those flaws and still be quite strong. In fact some characters need those kind of flaws to keep them from being busted (Imagine if Falco was faster with a better jumpsquat. God character.) But Link has too many flaws in his base kit, and none of the crazy Link tech, as cool as it might be, fixes any of those core issues. Against strong players who know the Link matchup, those flaws are not something that can be played around enough. You look at players like Aklo beat some other high level players yes, but his opponents don't have much experiance in the matchup given Links rarity, and Aklo is a top player (18th in the world currently) so yes of course even with his worse secondaries he can beat good players (Look at Zains, Roy, same thing). -- Fundamentally Link just can't really get meaningful openings frequently enough against high level players to win against top/high tiers. He's just too slow and doesn't have good tools to deal with strong rushdown, and once he loses the lead he has no hope of breaking down a top/high tier character on the defensive without multiple high risk hard reads. Even in PM where he received dramatic buffs to many of the flaws listed here and much more, he still ends up on the lower half of the pack. That's because slower defensive zoners just don't do well in the Melee/PM engine, and Link is that archetype to a T. In Melee where he is substantially weaker, I don't think he has a hope of pushing into viability. You just can't play around his lack of speed and frame data enough to make him viable. -- This isn't to say that you can't play him. Aklo still does and beats top 100 and even some top 50 players with Link. But you will hit a wall with him where you just need to be several levels better than your opponent to win with him because he just isn't a good character, and people with more experience in the matchup won't get hit by the tricks he needs to land to keep him playable.
@@Saskaruto16 I agree with most of what you said, but I feel that a top level Link player on a good day could one day win a major. I agree he'll never be consistent at the top level, but I feel that if the stars align, Link has enough tools in any given situation that he could pull it off.
@@TheKornstalker I don't think there is a single bracket you could put together with the strength to be considered a Major/Supermajor in which Link could ever have a hope of winning. Top 32, yeah doable. Top 8 at a major? With the perfect bracket, maybe, but still requires a ton of luck and upsets. But winning? You have to go through some combination of the best players in the world, many of whom play characters that annihilate Link. Spacies, Sheik, and Falcon, are all basically unwinnable for Link at top level. Puff, Marth, Yoshi, are Pika are still definitely losing for Link, even though they have to approach Link at first once they have a lead he can't do anything. I could see him being incredibly annoying for Peach, ICs, maybe Doc or Samus. But there is no world where he wins a tournament facing only matchups he has a hope in when it's a Major/Supermajor.
Not even a minute in and I've been diagnosed with terminal illnesses from how sick his Link is. Great comp. Proves that tiers don't mean anything when the player is good.
yeah i mean armada has always said himself, tiers don't matter unless you wanna become top 100 in the world. even then, he thinks that every character has the potential to break into the top 100
Hey thanks for watching! And yeah I'd agree - I think tiers only really matter at the highest level, but if anything it really relies on player skill, not the character they're playing. Very cool to see stuff like this!
I haven't played much of Link in Melee (or Smash 64 for that matter), but I do enjoy his play style. Sixx makes him look like a lot of fun for sure! Thanks for watching the video Well Ended!
anything that isn’t the top 6 are fun to watch, why? because you don’t always get to see a Link or a Mario or a Doc. You literally can queue up on Slippi and there’s a good chance it’s a top 6 tournaments? you can find lots of matches with them in it. It’s not bad, the matches are easier to come by. Seeing Link here? godly, and I love it.
I have a lot of appreciation for the characters that aren't in the top 6. I know at the professional level more often than not you see characters who are in the top 6, but man there's just so much variety which is awesome to see. Thanks for watching the video Ecchi Bot!
Haha that must have been a pretty funny experience! I can just imagine that you think it's some no name Link and he just annihilates you haha. It'd make a lot of sense if it was Sixx, but imagine if it really was this random Link! Thanks for the comment, Human Identity!
This was my first time seeing a Melee Link as well and I have to say that I was quite impressed! Sixx is a very sick player! Thanks for watching The broken sword!
Sixx is mind-blowingly awesome at playing Link. I really wish I could see him in more tournaments as his play is SO good! Thanks for watching TrainerSam!
I main link in every smash, he's fun every smash and good too, idk about brawl though he's really bad in brawl, and melee link is my favorite to be honest, his back air 👌
I'll say that I've come to appreciate Link more in each Smash game he's been in. I actually didn't use him too much in 64 in Melee, but in Brawl that's when I started using him more. I like Link quite a bit! Thanks for the comment JustSaiyan!
@@Frudgey oh I see, I respect brawl link players, hes not trash in brawl, but for example, his arrows DON'T DO KNOCK BACK like he's worse then melee basically, but I guess if you don't rely on specials he's decent, anyways dude if you played ssf2 he's good too, and you should try him in ultimate
I didn't realize that was the case until someone pointed that out - and I was surprised to see that was the case! I thought that was interesting. Thanks for tuning in Evan!
@@Alaskanman him being slow is all the more reason to be wavedashing. Maybe not a lot but it can't be that bad, especially wavelands. I've talked with Kuya about this before and he agrees
Evan Moran Why bother wasting inputs on a lousy wavedash when you could be be spacing yourself with boomerangs and bombs? Sure, you could waveland, there’s probably some stylish players whom utilizes that. But it won’t make you much faster.
@@Alaskanman it's not always about being faster its about baiting and feigning with more movement options, when you don't always have the space to pull projectiles
Do you have any names of Samus players you'd like to see? I'm definitely open to doing a Samus video, I just need to know where to look! Regardless, thanks for watching Zelrous!
@@Frudgey TheSwooper, Morsecode, Duck and Hughs. If you do it, check the Duck vs Hungrybox at Canada Cup Grand finals, (I never see again a samus beating hbox)
I think the game really hits it's stride around chapter 4, though that said it is a hack 'n' slash so I think what you said was fair. Regardless, thanks for watching the video Arrowthekrawlslayer!
I love you hero of time
Thanks for the support Sixx! Your Link is easily one of the most entertaining characters I've seen played in Melee!
Watching your link makes me love melee as much as I used to
Do you still play Smash? Haven't seen many uploads recently
@@imbatrossthescrub2096 my last Event was Dreamhack Rotterdam in october .. I played on stream there too but wasn't uploaded as it seems
I love watching low tiers in Melee.
You and me both! Low tiers are a lot of fun for me to watch as they shake things up a bit!
Thanks for watching TUZOIVAN16!
Never read something I agreed with more in my life
Lets gooooo. My favorite Link ever. I wish he were still active ;_;
He is still active, he fight last year on the Dreamhack Rotterdam and still in the Melee Rank of Europe
@@jpoblete11 still mains link? I've heard germ, who was a link player, dropped him for falco, which is a damn shame
@@lapplandkun9273 Sixx still playing Link i watch the Dreamhack Rotterdan just to see how Sixx deal against Zain, was hard to see lol, but he still playing and main Link, i watch him some times on Ice stream (before the covid19 crisis)
I would absolutely love to see more of Sixx. He was easily one of the most entertaining players I've watched.
Thanks for watching (as always) Jake!
Love link gameplay
I was at that avalon. And looking back, I didn't realize how awesome his neutral was at the time. His conversions are pretty darn creative too.
Thank you for making this!
I remember that one. I played him in friendlies for a bit before bracket, I had no idea how good he was lol
You are welcome! Thank you for watching tariqdx!
I was stunned by how good Sixx was. I'd love to see him play more!
This is what the future of melee should look like. Instead of spending decades grinding out the same characters i wanna see some diversity and i wanna see characters who aren't as great tap into their full potential
I mean this is why I'm grateful for aMSa and Axe - they bring in some diversity to the pro scene. I'd love to see more characters be represented, though I'll admit I'm pretty happy with current diversity.
Thanks for watching the video phillfraggy!
It goes to show that because of the depth of mechanics, a lot of the lower tiers in Melee aren't far away from being good. A lot of the mid tiers like Link would really only need a couple buffs to be viable.
I'd agree with that assessment! I think a lot of it comes down to mechanics, but yeah a couple of tweaks here and there I think could really make a couple of characters viable.
Thank you as always for watching, SmashTurtle!
Hot take I think Link is totally viable, he just needs that godlike player to put all the different Link styles together to create one big monstrosity of mixups, traps, and zoning. For the record I'm a Link main so I might be a little biased (I'm also not that good at the game, but I do be makin hoes mad on netplay right n left)
@@TheKornstalker I do not agree with you.
While I agree that their are multiple styles in which to play Link and that no one has shown 100% mastery of all styles, I think in Melee that's fairly irrelevant.
Link is held back by several fundamental flaws:
Horrible grounded base movement options (Dash/Dash dance/Run/Wavedash)
Bad jumpsquat (6f)
Terrible grab (slow which makes it bad OOS and for whiff punish and can't grab airborn opponents which means SHFFL spam is even stronger against him)
Slow frame data
Weaker combos/confirms
--
Now a character can have one of those flaws and still be quite strong. In fact some characters need those kind of flaws to keep them from being busted (Imagine if Falco was faster with a better jumpsquat. God character.)
But Link has too many flaws in his base kit, and none of the crazy Link tech, as cool as it might be, fixes any of those core issues.
Against strong players who know the Link matchup, those flaws are not something that can be played around enough.
You look at players like Aklo beat some other high level players yes, but his opponents don't have much experiance in the matchup given Links rarity, and Aklo is a top player (18th in the world currently) so yes of course even with his worse secondaries he can beat good players (Look at Zains, Roy, same thing).
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Fundamentally Link just can't really get meaningful openings frequently enough against high level players to win against top/high tiers. He's just too slow and doesn't have good tools to deal with strong rushdown, and once he loses the lead he has no hope of breaking down a top/high tier character on the defensive without multiple high risk hard reads.
Even in PM where he received dramatic buffs to many of the flaws listed here and much more, he still ends up on the lower half of the pack. That's because slower defensive zoners just don't do well in the Melee/PM engine, and Link is that archetype to a T.
In Melee where he is substantially weaker, I don't think he has a hope of pushing into viability. You just can't play around his lack of speed and frame data enough to make him viable.
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This isn't to say that you can't play him. Aklo still does and beats top 100 and even some top 50 players with Link.
But you will hit a wall with him where you just need to be several levels better than your opponent to win with him because he just isn't a good character, and people with more experience in the matchup won't get hit by the tricks he needs to land to keep him playable.
@@Saskaruto16 I agree with most of what you said, but I feel that a top level Link player on a good day could one day win a major. I agree he'll never be consistent at the top level, but I feel that if the stars align, Link has enough tools in any given situation that he could pull it off.
@@TheKornstalker I don't think there is a single bracket you could put together with the strength to be considered a Major/Supermajor in which Link could ever have a hope of winning.
Top 32, yeah doable. Top 8 at a major? With the perfect bracket, maybe, but still requires a ton of luck and upsets.
But winning? You have to go through some combination of the best players in the world, many of whom play characters that annihilate Link.
Spacies, Sheik, and Falcon, are all basically unwinnable for Link at top level. Puff, Marth, Yoshi, are Pika are still definitely losing for Link, even though they have to approach Link at first once they have a lead he can't do anything.
I could see him being incredibly annoying for Peach, ICs, maybe Doc or Samus. But there is no world where he wins a tournament facing only matchups he has a hope in when it's a Major/Supermajor.
Not even a minute in and I've been diagnosed with terminal illnesses from how sick his Link is.
Great comp. Proves that tiers don't mean anything when the player is good.
yeah i mean armada has always said himself, tiers don't matter unless you wanna become top 100 in the world. even then, he thinks that every character has the potential to break into the top 100
@@Chr1sT0fu I mean obviously. We got a Pikachu and a yoshi who are both top10 in the world
Hey thanks for watching! And yeah I'd agree - I think tiers only really matter at the highest level, but if anything it really relies on player skill, not the character they're playing. Very cool to see stuff like this!
@@courage_the_cowardly_cam and Ganon 👌
@@jakezepeda1267 we... have a top 10 ganon?
this is the type of content that other melee youtubers aren't putting out there man. love to see the mid and low tier montages
These clips are all like more than 2 years old at this point. They've probably put this stuff out before
I have a lot of fun putting together the low and mid tier montages, so expect to see more of them in the future!
Thanks for watching Chr1sT0fu!
Thanks for the video. I always love seeing low/mid tier highlights.
You are very welcome! Thank you for watching! I've been having a lot of fun making the low/mid tier highlights. It's like a whole new world for me!
Love your content man, sixx is crazy
Hey thanks for the kind words Lonkster! I agree, Sixx is off the rails!
I liked to play Link a lot in Smash 64. Seems like he's also very fun in Melee!
I haven't played much of Link in Melee (or Smash 64 for that matter), but I do enjoy his play style. Sixx makes him look like a lot of fun for sure!
Thanks for watching the video Well Ended!
Link is so much more exciting to watch than any top tier.
I love watching Link - he's just so entertaining!
Thanks for watching PlayMadness!
anything that isn’t the top 6 are fun to watch, why? because you don’t always get to see a Link or a Mario or a Doc. You literally can queue up on Slippi and there’s a good chance it’s a top 6 tournaments? you can find lots of matches with them in it. It’s not bad, the matches are easier to come by.
Seeing Link here? godly, and I love it.
I have a lot of appreciation for the characters that aren't in the top 6. I know at the professional level more often than not you see characters who are in the top 6, but man there's just so much variety which is awesome to see.
Thanks for watching the video Ecchi Bot!
I'm from Germany too and didn't know about this guy until now. I think I finally know who the Link was, that erased me on netplay lol
Haha that must have been a pretty funny experience! I can just imagine that you think it's some no name Link and he just annihilates you haha. It'd make a lot of sense if it was Sixx, but imagine if it really was this random Link!
Thanks for the comment, Human Identity!
One of the most underrated players period. Too bad he was never that active. But cheer up SIxx, you´re amazing - hope you´re doing well :)
I'd absolutely love to see more of Sixx. Hope he is doing well as well! I have no idea what he's up to.
Thanks for watching ZetTroxX!
You know its a good low teir video when it start with the stocks 4-1
The transition at 9:02 was magical
That transition was also very unintentional! It looks great but I honestly wasn't thinking about it haha.
Thanks for watching John!
I love the dogs at the end. Great video!
Hey thanks for the compliments! Thanks for watching Micah!
@@Frudgey You got it man!
This guy has some nasty tech reads
Indeed! Sixx's reading comprehension is at a university level!
Thanks for watching The15231!
First time seeing a melee link in action!
This was my first time seeing a Melee Link as well and I have to say that I was quite impressed! Sixx is a very sick player!
Thanks for watching The broken sword!
you know link struggles when the first highlight is just a raw Up-B lmao
Nah that move is hella strong and a good oos
Crazy good tech combo skill
Yeah Sixx was pretty impressive playing Link! A ton of fun to watch.
Thanks for watching the video, keegan ashbee Bean!
Do These commentators not know that links hitbox lasts until the move ends??
Good video as always my man
Eey thanks for the support TheBeggies95! Very happy to know you like the videos!
lol love the description
Haha thanks! I had a lot of fun writing it. Thanks for watching RPG Fanboy!
Awesome video bro!
Thanks TzuraMugi! Thank you for watching!
I SUPPORT LOW/MID TIERS LETS GO LINK WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
I APPRECIATE THE LEVEL OF ENTHUSIASM IN THIS COMMENT. THANKS FOR THE COMMENT AND FOR WATCHING CLYDED!
this made me wanna try and become the best link ever xD
I can see where you're coming from! Watching Abate play Luigi made me want to learn how to play Luigi!
Thanks for watching Allen!
Frudgey always a pleasure brovolone.. keep up the fire work
dang that was sick.
Right? Sixx's Link is a gnarly beast!
Thanks for watching Zach!
I was hoping that Sixx made an appearance at a more recent tournament but that's alright 😖
Ah, man, sorry to crush your spirit like that. I'd love to see Sixx at more recent tournaments as I'd lose my mind if he was at those tournaments.
Does this dude not Wavedash? He is sick!
Sixx is mind-blowingly awesome at playing Link. I really wish I could see him in more tournaments as his play is SO good!
Thanks for watching TrainerSam!
I main link in every smash, he's fun every smash and good too, idk about brawl though he's really bad in brawl, and melee link is my favorite to be honest, his back air 👌
I'll say that I've come to appreciate Link more in each Smash game he's been in. I actually didn't use him too much in 64 in Melee, but in Brawl that's when I started using him more. I like Link quite a bit!
Thanks for the comment JustSaiyan!
@@Frudgey oh I see, I respect brawl link players, hes not trash in brawl, but for example, his arrows DON'T DO KNOCK BACK like he's worse then melee basically, but I guess if you don't rely on specials he's decent, anyways dude if you played ssf2 he's good too, and you should try him in ultimate
For anyone that doesn't realize it at first glance, Sixx doesn't wavedash. At all.
Most link players don’t, he’s slow af.
I didn't realize that was the case until someone pointed that out - and I was surprised to see that was the case! I thought that was interesting.
Thanks for tuning in Evan!
@@Alaskanman him being slow is all the more reason to be wavedashing. Maybe not a lot but it can't be that bad, especially wavelands. I've talked with Kuya about this before and he agrees
Evan Moran Why bother wasting inputs on a lousy wavedash when you could be be spacing yourself with boomerangs and bombs? Sure, you could waveland, there’s probably some stylish players whom utilizes that. But it won’t make you much faster.
@@Alaskanman it's not always about being faster its about baiting and feigning with more movement options, when you don't always have the space to pull projectiles
samus next? :0
Do you have any names of Samus players you'd like to see? I'm definitely open to doing a Samus video, I just need to know where to look!
Regardless, thanks for watching Zelrous!
@@Frudgey TheSwooper is crazy fast
@@Frudgey TheSwooper, Morsecode, Duck and Hughs. If you do it, check the Duck vs Hungrybox at Canada Cup Grand finals, (I never see again a samus beating hbox)
I've played the first few levels of Lords of Shadow, and it seems pretty fun, albeit a bit repetitive
I think the game really hits it's stride around chapter 4, though that said it is a hack 'n' slash so I think what you said was fair.
Regardless, thanks for watching the video Arrowthekrawlslayer!
Don’t sleep on this man’s jab cancel game
Yeah Sixx seems like a pretty frightening opponent to play against!
Thanks for watching Dank Memes!
soo sick
sixxck
I had a lot of fun watching Sixx play Link as this was my first real experience watching a Link player, and holy moly Sixx impressed me!
LINK HYPE
Link isn’t even a Low tier. Link is secretly broken.
I mean that's kind of what I was thinking after seeing Sixx play Link haha! He's really good!
Thanks for watching HunyBear_Link!
YES 🔥🔥🔥
:D
Link was OUTRAGEOUSLY fun to watch. I'd love to watch some more Link game play as it was one heck of a ride!
Amsah musta been high af vs that match vs sixx
watching this shit like its a damn sermon
Yo ben shapiro's link is sick
I think saus has the best link if he hadn't retired
I am definitely going to have to check out saus! Thanks for the comment, JT Saiyan!
lmao "booty blast"
Ah darn that's what I should have titled the video! Maybe next time.
Thanks for watching Norbert!
Andrew Garfield vs Russell Westbrook.