lg g3 beats the samsung s95c qd oled. happy with this. only a shame that the lg c3 model has now heatsink and no mla panel. so i must buy the lg g3 then! and i dont hang the tv on the wall. so i must buy seperate a stand for it!
Wow so MLA is actually a foundational improvement in OLED and doesn't compromise viewing angles at all, that's a surprise. In theory they could still boost brightness even further if they did start to limit viewing angles. (Now I really wonder what would happen to QD-OLED with MLA? Probably 2,000 nits after calibration.)
Any or most OLED can be pushed to 2000 nits but would then burn super fast sadly :( EDIT: Forgot to say microlens have already been made for years for some stuff, there's even some people on youtube doing arrays of macrolenses so any other brand can do their own too...
Man I just gotta say, I love so much one year this technology is amazing, ground breaking, next year… look how bad this looks in comparison, technology is great
@@skins4thewin The C1 is a great TV. I have it too and happy with it, but will likely be upgrading towards the end of the year. The technology has improved significantly since 2021.
That viewing angles and brightness at off angle would be great for monitors. The final thing would be price of qd-oled or meta OLED. The right size and price would be the decider. Also would love to see firmware update or user upgradeable fitness rather than locking it out to service centers
@@mnomadvfx Samsung has basically been the laughing stock of the TV market for many years now and I say that as a Samsung fan. 😂😂😂 Samsung phones and tablets are amazing. Samsung TV's are garbage. That simple.
This is a dream come true. I have been waiting for such an improvement on OLED technology for years. It is time to upgrade my old B7 with a new G3. We’ll done LG.
@@pioneer2321 and qd oled with its raised blacks in light , over saturated colors , and light bleeding issues. Woled is a proven and reliable technology.
Yeah, Samsung really scared LG last year and they had to step up in terms of brightness. Good thing there is competition now in the OLED world, it’s most beneficial to us customers.
@@patrickrk44 great, but them releasing this exactly now is a clear message anyway. They would have to use whatever they had in store anyway or invent something.
@@alangfp every company has a RD department that's working on the next big thing. Take Samsung and micro led. How long have you heard they have been working on it for for example....
9000k white point tho apparently to get d65 you have to reduce the brightness to 1500nits Now I seriously want samsung to make a 50inch microled to destroy LG 9000k what is all content displayed at d65 right so basically LG is gonna have to force filmmakers to start making there films in 9000k With microled technology you can have d65 and and bright as far as you can drive them leds to over 10000nits and it will be a pure RGB panel so yea if I have to sacrifice D65 for more brightness then staying with the older panels for now is a better idea I don't want a blue picture
Still loving my C1 and don’t plan to upgrade for about 4 more years. The picture quality is already incredible and the feature set I have is more than enough with brightness that’s perfect for my bedroom. When I do finally upgrade the way technology in tvs is heading it’ll be an insane upgrade in 4 years XD
How is the energy consumption with MLA compared to without? When it is "just" a lens it should be almost the same as without but still ~60% brighter? Amazing stuff....
The next few years will be great for OLED and slowly end the LCD dominance because both LG Display and Samsung Display have to compete and push the envelop every year.. The upgrades LG has brought in the past years are a direct response to the end of their large screen OLED monopoly. It feels like the last three years ('21-'23) competing brought more to the table than the first 8 years ('13-'20) in which LG had a monopoly
@@semahj Micro LED isn't the endgame of panels. Neither is QD-Micro LED. There's always something better around the corner. Technology advancements wait for no one.
I'm interested in the 83". Is it worth it if it's only a 30% boost compared to 60-70% boost on the 55, 65 and 77" models? I wonder if they will be able to get the extra large size models to have all the boost benefits of the smaller versions at some point.
Where did you hear that the 83" will not have the same brightness boost as the other sizes? And is it because the 83" won't reach the same absolute brightness levels, or is it because the old 83" is already brighter than the smaller sizes?
I'm not sure but if you search "LG new micro lens array" or similar, there are articles about the sizes with the increased brightness for relevant models which from memory I think include the 55 inch. 65 inch and 77 inch. Don't take my word for it though. I just bought the C2 in December which was my first oled in 48 inch size which is still very large for the bedroom size I have it in. In some ways I regret purchasing that as at the time I didn't know it was 55 inch+ sets that had the increased brightness and now LG seem to be making a very large step up year to year if 60% increase is indeed true. I want to know about the smaller size improvements in brightness but the pixels are too close together in smaller sets for the same amount of brightness increase. Is is heat that means brightness can't be pushed up?
I had the opportunity to watch a couple of OLEDs in short succession - a B7 and a C2, both 55in models. You could sort of tell that B7 got a bit dark in brighter scenes, and it's OS was very jerky with HBO Max. C2 was definitely bright enough. I will probably get a 77" C2 or C3 at the end of the year, depending on the price difference between the models - Today the difference between a 77" C1 and C2 is 200€, so that's definitely doable.
Been using OLED TV since 2017, this is the best improvement IMO, for the brightness solution in the OLED segment. Looking forward for the consumer samples to be reviewed.
Just upgraded from a B7a to a C2 and pretty happy. It's always a funny time to buy considering the new models come out relatively soon and you feel like you just missed out, but the savings are legit. Enjoying the C2 thus far.
This may finally be the OLED I might choose to replace my first HDR TV, a Sony x930d. That TV handled highlights and color better than the OLED I got a year later. Last year's OLEDs were the first to match or slightly exceed that capability, while obviously also improving shadows. But I wanted something that would be a significant improvement on the highlight range before considering to replace that screen. Ultimately, TVs are devices that I like to buy for the long term, like gaming consoles, so like a new generation of gaming consoles, I want the upgrade to feel like a massive leap, and this finally appears to be the right step for that. That being said, I'll probably wait a year after it's launch to buy the C3, in order to get it at a cheaper price, as my income is not the greatest at the moment, and that would also allow me more time to save some money.
It certainly is worth waiting for prices to decrease. I think I may wait till black friday this year and replace the set in the living room. I have just bought a C2 for my bedroom but I'm not sure an oled would be best suited for the living room as it can get bright in there. I do hope there is a bug improvement in average picture level is it called? Base brightness? That way u could hopefully use it in the living room.
I would do that too, I bought a LG CX two years ago and I'm really happy with it but those new Meta panels are tempting. They will be really expensive at first for sure, so I might wait a couple of years more to get my hand on one of them, plus we're in some tough times so better save up instead of upgrading too early with a big early-adopter price.
@@TorqueFormulaWon Even my C6 has plenty brightness if I wanted to use it in the living room for SDR content. I calibrate SDR to 175 nits in my bedroom and that's only about half the way it can go. Remember, full field brightness isn't particularly important for real world usage as it is rare for the APL to get bright enough for ABL to matter. Even with a lit room under consideration, if I'm watching HDR content I'm watching in the dark, living room or not.
@ 6:45 , Vincent had a slide showing gaming monitors 27" & 45" will have mla tech. But I don't see that mentioned elsewhere. Anybody else see it in another report?
Very interesting how a tiny layer of billions of mirco lenes capturing and pushing out the light makes it that much brighter. I think a QD WRGB layout would be another good step.
Very insightful comment about most light sources in nature having a white color as their base. It certainly helps Woled TVs produce a natural bright picture.
Whoever came up with the MLA approach is brilliant. Not only does it improve brightness but the it does so by using light that was being wasted before as opposed to using more power.
I don't miss any brightness on my Alienware OLED. With HDR1000, in one game I had to reduce gamma to 10-20 %, otherwise it would have burned off my retina.
I love that QD-OLED will have a true competitor this year in the META-OLED. Hopefully this will also mean a price drop across the board as last years best Sony QD-OLED was expensive.
Since there is no heat sink or MLA on the C3, it seems its just a C2 with Ex panel and less software brightness restriction. I just bought my C2 last week and it came with the new EX panel, i wonder if i can change the service code to G2 and it would be a C3 lite?
I also thought to buy the C2 but how do you know that it has the EX-Panel? Normally all the C2 leftovers with the old panel must be sold before you can get the C2 with the Ex-Panel. Anyway i may be waiting for the C3 but i´m still indecisive about that.
I just got a c2 for my monitor. best buy so got the 5 year warranty. i wonder if i can get a meta panel if this just "happens" to get burn in or something in the next 9 months. :D btw how do i tell if i got the newer c2 panel or the older c2 panel that isn't as bright? i have the service remote.
@@Steelaron all C2 manufactured after October 2022 will come with EX, anything produced between May to OCT you might have a chance, the later their production date the higher it came with the EX panel. To verify you can check the module ID by accessing the service menu.
Electroluminescent QD can't come soon enough. We have this MLA thing because of the color sub-pixel can't lit on their own, another layer to get rid of in the next few years. Is Nanosys come to CES this year? I had a great time watching your interview with Nanosys CEO Vincent.
I think he listed that in the previous video on this topic... I think it's missing from the A Series and B Series... I don't think Monitors or the CS was mentioned.... I don't even know if the CS was just a stop gap model to shift excess stock of certain parts or if they plan to keep making it. It is quite popular as a cheaper alternative to the C2 I feel. The 55" was as cheap as £899 a couple of months ago.
Vincent stated it was for accuracy of content - the test is coming years when QD-OLED will put ahead with new blue OLED sources - but I think all the colours can get better - so both will have a place
Vincent, is there no information on whether LGD has adjusted the subpixel control for lower refresh rates to prevent VRR-flickering? Or can we still assume that the panels are still only optimized for 120Hz operation?
I think they direction of technology is towards HIGHER refresh rates. a lower refresh isn't really beneficial in anyway I can think of.. except perhaps trying to get a panel to operate below 40 or 42fps for the purposes of showing 24fps Movies but since doubling works fine I don't really see the need. & it's only really useful for horrible frame rate videogames. which you really don't want anyone being encouraged to make. I agree though VRR Flicker is annoying but I think the move to a 240hz standard might get rid of it.
@@90lancaster How should they get rid of it by just increasing the refresh rate to 240hz? Makes no sense. If the subpixel can't match the gamma curve for the entire refresh rate range, you will see flickering. Actually it could be even worse if you increase the refresh rate and you only optimize the gamma curve of the subpixel for 240hz for example. That's why it is still the only option on latest OLEDs to prevent VRR-flickering to set the display to fix 60Hz. With this method you will force the subpixel into a consistent overcharged state. Dark scenes would look constantly raised, which you can fix with the fine tune dark area settings, but it would eliminate nearly all the VRR-flickering which you would normally see if you set the display to 120Hz. Wider refresh rate range with subpixels only optimized for gamma level at a fixed refresh rate = the more VRR flickering you would see.
Well then, with MLA in the next gen Gallery series it's a no brainer. I will wait for the G3 instead of the G2. My 2010 plasma might be running on fumes, but if I have been waiting so many years to upgrade. I can wait 6month more. :)
MLA has zero impact on the panel itself , its just an aditional layer which redirects the light from the panel The brightness increase is from the lens not the panel being brighter So my guess is that the G3 MLA tv will be the same as G2 when it comes to burn in Cuz G3 most likely aint getting a brighter panel , the lens itself is boosting the brightness
I hadn't realised that microlenses are indeed micro. 5000 per pixel! I thought every pixel would have its lense. I also have a question, do you think in 2024 LG will use phosphorescent blue light?
If it a modified version of the 2022 panel I fear it might not... which is why I keep saying 240hz refresh please... it fixes so many issues with that one change.
The more I keep up with the news the more dated my C1 seems. But then I go back to watch it and I'm still very happy with it. I just need to try to ignore the ABL dimming...
Wow 2100 hundred nits for a oled is impressive, can't wait to see this , great job lg , Panasonic just might beat sony this in the tv shoot out , they beat the Qd oled s95b b last year and dam near the A95k .
They're actually still "stuck" at 250nits when displaying 100% White on screen, just like last year's. Could be due to the EU's power regulations and/or just plain heat.The big breakthrough will be when TVs get to 500-600nits at 100% white sustained.
Will be interesting to see Panasonic MZ2000 versus the Sony A95L using the new 2023 QD OLED panel. I feel like it’s going to be hard to beat the color volume of QD OLED and the 2023 panel will be getting a jump in brightness as well. If anyone can dethrone Sony it’s Panasonic
@@epap1375 I Have the A95k and Panasonic LZ2000 and some colors look better on the Panasonic LZ2000, and skin tones look better to , but over all the image is a little bit better on the A95k. Panasonic is the creator of the heat sink they are fantastic at engineering.
@@michaelfoster3441 Are you in the USA? I just picked up the A95K on Black Friday for my bedroom and am absolutely in love with it. Also have an LG CX and a sony A9G. The QD OLED color volume and brightness blew me away compared to my other TV’s. I’m a Panasonic fanboy at heart and would buy the MZ2000 in a heart beat to replace my basement “theater” A9G if they offered it in the US directly. A MZ2000 paired to my UB9000 blu ray player would be a dream.
@@epap1375 No I'm in the UK I wish Panasonic would go back to the US, you guys are missing out . Them and Sony will have the new media tek chip next year and it's a game changer, it will also have 4 2.1 hdmi inputs .
@@generischgesichtslosgeneri3781 It isn't. There were MLA TVs announced at CES, but there is no way of knowing if the announced 27 inch OLEDs use MLA or not
Glad Vincent mentioned real world - I've been arguing that since QD-OLED came out - it's easy to see white light on edge of green leaves - our eyes "correct" for light casts as well - ie green Fluro lights etc - that's why we have those internet illusions or quandary's - what colour is this dress . Yes we have pure laser and burning metals to give pure colour at intensity . I think cartoons will use max BT2020 the most - same for HDR - look to see how much HDR stuff you watch - I love old movies - so not so important . Other factors may mean more to you motion handling/gaming / GUI - all the latest flagship TVs will look stunning . Will Samsung develop it's own MLA ?
60% brighter for the same amount of energy and heat created? Which likely also means it won't add to burn in problems, Oled is already far closer to reality than anything else so I can't wait to see this.....
I saw some comments wondering what qd-oled + mla would look like. Am I right to say that's not likely to happen? MLA is an LG Display's technology and they don't currently make qd-oled panels
I think lg would have to pay samsung some money to use their qd tech or vise versa, samsung would have to pay lg to use their mla tech. It's possible, and if it happens it might be one of the biggest improvements in a tv in recent years.
it doesn't look like that in Live ! , it's not the same when you watch live TV or when you watch TH-cam! let's wait for the final TV for sale, where all the defects have been corrected, this is a pre-sale model
Thank you for the information and the actual benefits to be had from the brighter panel. I keep asking myself why I am still satisfied with my late generation panny plasma sets. Seems like meta will be a thing by the time I’m ready for the upgrade.
Old Panasonic Plasma tv's will still give you a excellent picture quality with SD material and HD blu rays. Though the brightness will have diminished a bit since you have had it for many years. But current OLEDs will smoke a Panasonic Plasma for watching 4K HDR material! If you watch 4K blu ray movies, or even 4K movies streaming then you should switch to a 2022 or 2023 OLED tv.
I love tests that this. What were the new panels you tested. I'm thinking a G3 or G4 but what panel was used in the LG lineup for the non MLA screen. Their G3 in 83" is WOLED but gets about 35% brighter than a new C4. I think this is important data. Thanks
Won't be getting a new set soon but looking forward to see the comparison between this and the latest qd-oled sets this year.
we finally seeing a brightness war in the competing oled segment.
lg g3 beats the samsung s95c qd oled. happy with this. only a shame that the lg c3 model has now heatsink and no mla panel. so i must buy the lg g3 then! and i dont hang the tv on the wall. so i must buy seperate a stand for it!
@@janduller4722 beats how? wait for hands on reviews before jumping to conclusions.
@@HeloisGevit Hear it from caleb denison. He tells no jokes mate! Reliable guy from digitaltrends! And i hate tizen. Webos is so much smoother!
@@HeloisGevit Also the firmware updates from samsung are fucking scam. make the tv more worse then before. less more motion, dimmer also.
Wow so MLA is actually a foundational improvement in OLED and doesn't compromise viewing angles at all, that's a surprise.
In theory they could still boost brightness even further if they did start to limit viewing angles.
(Now I really wonder what would happen to QD-OLED with MLA? Probably 2,000 nits after calibration.)
Thats a good point if they inherit qd oled.
MLA TECHNOLOGY is patented by LG, QD oled is not perfect and QD oled has flaws
@@СНСАЛЕКСАНДАРВУЧИЋ Both tech has flaws. Neither is perfect.
@@dbztrk can you say MLA OLED flaws? I want to know
Any or most OLED can be pushed to 2000 nits but would then burn super fast sadly :(
EDIT: Forgot to say microlens have already been made for years for some stuff, there's even some people on youtube doing arrays of macrolenses so any other brand can do their own too...
Man I just gotta say, I love so much one year this technology is amazing, ground breaking, next year… look how bad this looks in comparison, technology is great
That's just dishonesty linked to referral selling.
Lol I bought a C1 a year ago that I never even opened... I should have waited lol. Think I should just try to sell it & get one of these new ones?
@@skins4thewin The C1 is a great TV. I have it too and happy with it, but will likely be upgrading towards the end of the year. The technology has improved significantly since 2021.
I know, it makes me sad that I just bought an LG C2.
@@skins4thewin yeah for sure
That viewing angles and brightness at off angle would be great for monitors. The final thing would be price of qd-oled or meta OLED. The right size and price would be the decider. Also would love to see firmware update or user upgradeable fitness rather than locking it out to service centers
So exciting! Can’t wait to see it in person! 😊
very impressive. This should keep WOLED competitive with QDOLED for a few years.
Samsung QNED enters the chat.....
@@mnomadvfx and exits the chat
@@mnomadvfx Samsung has basically been the laughing stock of the TV market for many years now and I say that as a Samsung fan. 😂😂😂
Samsung phones and tablets are amazing.
Samsung TV's are garbage.
That simple.
@@JohnnyBravoGn LMAO
This is a dream come true. I have been waiting for such an improvement on OLED technology for years. It is time to upgrade my old B7 with a new G3. We’ll done LG.
I agree with you
Very impressive. I just got a new panel (C1) so it'll be a while until I can take advantage of this, but it bodes well for the future.
WRGB is here to stay. Windows needs to get onboard with this and have a font set mapped to it.
Not with its horrible uniformity. Tinting on whites and diluted colour.
QD oled is the better option for now.
@@pioneer2321 and qd oled with its raised blacks in light , over saturated colors , and light bleeding issues. Woled is a proven and reliable technology.
Man, I can wait to get a thorough comparison of the 2023 QD-OLED TVs and MLA WRGB OLED TVs.
Qd is still superior
@@FusioN_764Panasonic chose MLA that tell all you need to know.
@@FusioN_764 Samsung fanboy
@@kingyogesh441 panasonic chose wisely. MLA technology is patented by LG
@@СНСАЛЕКСАНДАРВУЧИЋ *and is superior to qd-oled for Panasonic quality comes first.
Yeah, Samsung really scared LG last year and they had to step up in terms of brightness.
Good thing there is competition now in the OLED world, it’s most beneficial to us customers.
Not really, WLA has been talked about for 7 years already. This may be the fruit of the labor/research finally.
@@patrickrk44 great, but them releasing this exactly now is a clear message anyway. They would have to use whatever they had in store anyway or invent something.
@@alangfp every company has a RD department that's working on the next big thing. Take Samsung and micro led. How long have you heard they have been working on it for for example....
@Rev nothing in the business world is a coincident
9000k white point tho apparently to get d65 you have to reduce the brightness to 1500nits
Now I seriously want samsung to make a 50inch microled to destroy LG 9000k what is all content displayed at d65 right so basically LG is gonna have to force filmmakers to start making there films in 9000k
With microled technology you can have d65 and and bright as far as you can drive them leds to over 10000nits and it will be a pure RGB panel so yea if I have to sacrifice D65 for more brightness then staying with the older panels for now is a better idea I don't want a blue picture
Still loving my C1 and don’t plan to upgrade for about 4 more years. The picture quality is already incredible and the feature set I have is more than enough with brightness that’s perfect for my bedroom. When I do finally upgrade the way technology in tvs is heading it’ll be an insane upgrade in 4 years XD
Me too. How have you set the settings cinema for the best experience?
How is the energy consumption with MLA compared to without? When it is "just" a lens it should be almost the same as without but still ~60% brighter? Amazing stuff....
I feel like TV manufacturers are the only company left that's actually trying to compete with innovation.
Thank you for the coverage.
I don't agree. Look at GPU manufacturers, or smartphones.. also car. Competition is everywhere.
@@joxyn If the competition you're talking is about "who can fumble this mess the hardest" I'm sure everyone would agree.
@@nabieladrian that's also true lol
@@joxyn The GPU market has been stagnated for the last 6 years lol
Compared to companies that make monitors for computers, I agree 100%
The next few years will be great for OLED and slowly end the LCD dominance because both LG Display and Samsung Display have to compete and push the envelop every year.. The upgrades LG has brought in the past years are a direct response to the end of their large screen OLED monopoly. It feels like the last three years ('21-'23) competing brought more to the table than the first 8 years ('13-'20) in which LG had a monopoly
They’ve pretty much killed the led this year with the 2000+ nit oleds coming out.
@@polishdude001 Not really. Lcd still gets brighter at all window sizes with no risk of burn-in and is far cheaper. Oled will never beat lcd
@@semahj Yes it will but not now.
@@md_zafl5284 It really won't. Micro LED is around the corner. Lcd will always be cheaper to produce than OLED. OLED will never dominate.
@@semahj Micro LED isn't the endgame of panels. Neither is QD-Micro LED.
There's always something better around the corner.
Technology advancements wait for no one.
Nice one Vincent. I'm still very happy with my LG - 65 C9PUA... but it's nice to know META technology is raising the bar
I'm interested in the 83". Is it worth it if it's only a 30% boost compared to 60-70% boost on the 55, 65 and 77" models? I wonder if they will be able to get the extra large size models to have all the boost benefits of the smaller versions at some point.
A larger screen automatically appear brighter anyway. Since much larger screen surface. So might not be that much of a difference?
Curious to hear Vincent's thoughts around a purchase decision between a G3 83-inch and a G3 77-inch.
Where did you hear that the 83" will not have the same brightness boost as the other sizes? And is it because the 83" won't reach the same absolute brightness levels, or is it because the old 83" is already brighter than the smaller sizes?
I'm not sure but if you search "LG new micro lens array" or similar, there are articles about the sizes with the increased brightness for relevant models which from memory I think include the 55 inch. 65 inch and 77 inch.
Don't take my word for it though.
I just bought the C2 in December which was my first oled in 48 inch size which is still very large for the bedroom size I have it in.
In some ways I regret purchasing that as at the time I didn't know it was 55 inch+ sets that had the increased brightness and now LG seem to be making a very large step up year to year if 60% increase is indeed true.
I want to know about the smaller size improvements in brightness but the pixels are too close together in smaller sets for the same amount of brightness increase. Is is heat that means brightness can't be pushed up?
+1 same question!
I had the opportunity to watch a couple of OLEDs in short succession - a B7 and a C2, both 55in models. You could sort of tell that B7 got a bit dark in brighter scenes, and it's OS was very jerky with HBO Max. C2 was definitely bright enough. I will probably get a 77" C2 or C3 at the end of the year, depending on the price difference between the models - Today the difference between a 77" C1 and C2 is 200€, so that's definitely doable.
LG with the game changer
Nah, it still uses white subpixel boosting so colors are more washed out compared to QD OLED.
It's still going to look fantastic to the un trained eye. Bright with deep blacks. Can't go wrong .
@@Adam-vx6toor enhanced and unnatural colors on QD OLED
@@Adam-vx6to as of light from RGB pixels won’t pass through MLA 🤡🤡.
@@СНСАЛЕКСАНДАРВУЧИЋ Colors are not unnatural on QD OLED, certainly not if you have it setup correctly. Not sure where people get this idea.
Been using OLED TV since 2017, this is the best improvement IMO, for the brightness solution in the OLED segment. Looking forward for the consumer samples to be reviewed.
Just upgraded from a B7a to a C2 and pretty happy. It's always a funny time to buy considering the new models come out relatively soon and you feel like you just missed out, but the savings are legit. Enjoying the C2 thus far.
Love this progress. I've been planning to avoid OLED next time because of low brightness, but with this, maybe not now.
And burn in as well
This may finally be the OLED I might choose to replace my first HDR TV, a Sony x930d. That TV handled highlights and color better than the OLED I got a year later. Last year's OLEDs were the first to match or slightly exceed that capability, while obviously also improving shadows. But I wanted something that would be a significant improvement on the highlight range before considering to replace that screen. Ultimately, TVs are devices that I like to buy for the long term, like gaming consoles, so like a new generation of gaming consoles, I want the upgrade to feel like a massive leap, and this finally appears to be the right step for that.
That being said, I'll probably wait a year after it's launch to buy the C3, in order to get it at a cheaper price, as my income is not the greatest at the moment, and that would also allow me more time to save some money.
Always a good plan to wait for a better price
It certainly is worth waiting for prices to decrease.
I think I may wait till black friday this year and replace the set in the living room.
I have just bought a C2 for my bedroom but I'm not sure an oled would be best suited for the living room as it can get bright in there.
I do hope there is a bug improvement in average picture level is it called? Base brightness?
That way u could hopefully use it in the living room.
I not u*.
I would be looking to opt for the g3 this time with it having a heat sink. It's extra protection anyway.
I would do that too, I bought a LG CX two years ago and I'm really happy with it but those new Meta panels are tempting. They will be really expensive at first for sure, so I might wait a couple of years more to get my hand on one of them, plus we're in some tough times so better save up instead of upgrading too early with a big early-adopter price.
@@TorqueFormulaWon Even my C6 has plenty brightness if I wanted to use it in the living room for SDR content. I calibrate SDR to 175 nits in my bedroom and that's only about half the way it can go. Remember, full field brightness isn't particularly important for real world usage as it is rare for the APL to get bright enough for ABL to matter.
Even with a lit room under consideration, if I'm watching HDR content I'm watching in the dark, living room or not.
My go to channel for video analysis, thanks Vinnie
Only TV spec channel you need. Always great work!
@ 6:45 , Vincent had a slide showing gaming monitors 27" & 45" will have mla tech. But I don't see that mentioned elsewhere. Anybody else see it in another report?
to compete with Samsung Oleds, LG needed this!
amazing video, as usual!
Samsung's OLED panels are from LG.
Hello. Last c2 and new lg c3 is big diference in brightnes?
So glad I am waiting to 2023 or 24 to upgrade my 65" X950G
Very interesting how a tiny layer of billions of mirco lenes capturing and pushing out the light makes it that much brighter. I think a QD WRGB layout would be another good step.
Very insightful comment about most light sources in nature having a white color as their base. It certainly helps Woled TVs produce a natural bright picture.
This is a great jump. Viewing angles don't bother me much unless it is a set for the living room. Can't wait for LG to drop the C4 next year
Whoever came up with the MLA approach is brilliant. Not only does it improve brightness but the it does so by using light that was being wasted before as opposed to using more power.
The mla in 27" oled monitors is gonna be huge for gamers
I don't miss any brightness on my Alienware OLED. With HDR1000, in one game I had to reduce gamma to 10-20 %, otherwise it would have burned off my retina.
Thanks for covering the reveals!
I love that QD-OLED will have a true competitor this year in the META-OLED. Hopefully this will also mean a price drop across the board as last years best Sony QD-OLED was expensive.
I e been watching this channel since it was at around 23k subscribers. Great jog on coming so far. Also great and informative content.
benefits aside.... this technology is pretty mindblowing tbh. imagine 5117 lenses per pixel!
I wonder if the micro lenses affect sharpness? Unless they redirect light perfectly, would they not cause the image to be a little fuzzier?
We don’t happen to know what that 45” Gaming Monitor listed at 6:03 will have resolution wise? I bet it’s lilkely 4K, right?
Since there is no heat sink or MLA on the C3, it seems its just a C2 with Ex panel and less software brightness restriction.
I just bought my C2 last week and it came with the new EX panel, i wonder if i can change the service code to G2 and it would be a C3 lite?
I also thought to buy the C2 but how do you know that it has the EX-Panel? Normally all the C2 leftovers with the old panel must be sold before you can get the C2 with the Ex-Panel. Anyway i may be waiting for the C3 but i´m still indecisive about that.
I just got a c2 for my monitor. best buy so got the 5 year warranty. i wonder if i can get a meta panel if this just "happens" to get burn in or something in the next 9 months. :D
btw how do i tell if i got the newer c2 panel or the older c2 panel that isn't as bright? i have the service remote.
@@Steelaron all C2 manufactured after October 2022 will come with EX, anything produced between May to OCT you might have a chance, the later their production date the higher it came with the EX panel. To verify you can check the module ID by accessing the service menu.
@@jy_vision2804 I just bought a 65" C2 during black friday week. What's the model # for the ex panel?
Amazing video, I’m so glad you provide such good content!
Beautiful !! 😍
Just give me a QD-OLED with MLA 😊
give me a micro led with 4000 nits brightness :D
@@Phoenix_1991 and 12bit :)
MLA technology is patented by LG
@@СНСАЛЕКСАНДАРВУЧИЋI don’t think quantum dots are patented though. So LG could use quantum dots, and then MLA?
no lag. low ms to no ms panel.
no ghosting.
best picture possible i am looking for.
Amazing stuff LG. Thank you for the review. We need 32" version! 💐💕
Electroluminescent QD can't come soon enough. We have this MLA thing because of the color sub-pixel can't lit on their own, another layer to get rid of in the next few years.
Is Nanosys come to CES this year? I had a great time watching your interview with Nanosys CEO Vincent.
ELQD is the end goal , but QNED+QD color conversion layer will be fine until ELQD is ready.
Sounds like the C4 will be the TV to get once all of these technologies trickle down. Similar to how the C2 got EVO panels.
Hope next C4 will have this panels too, not only G class. Also 2nd gen qd-oleds looks even better than last year.
I think he listed that in the previous video on this topic... I think it's missing from the A Series and B Series... I don't think Monitors or the CS was mentioned.... I don't even know if the CS was just a stop gap model to shift excess stock of certain parts or if they plan to keep making it. It is quite popular as a cheaper alternative to the C2 I feel. The 55" was as cheap as £899 a couple of months ago.
C4 will be a blast!
It seems telling that Panasonic went with the MLA panel.
Vincent stated it was for accuracy of content - the test is coming years when QD-OLED will put ahead with new blue OLED sources - but I think all the colours can get better - so both will have a place
Vincent, is there no information on whether LGD has adjusted the subpixel control for lower refresh rates to prevent VRR-flickering? Or can we still assume that the panels are still only optimized for 120Hz operation?
I think they direction of technology is towards HIGHER refresh rates. a lower refresh isn't really beneficial in anyway I can think of.. except perhaps trying to get a panel to operate below 40 or 42fps for the purposes of showing 24fps Movies but since doubling works fine I don't really see the need. & it's only really useful for horrible frame rate videogames. which you really don't want anyone being encouraged to make.
I agree though VRR Flicker is annoying but I think the move to a 240hz standard might get rid of it.
@@90lancaster How should they get rid of it by just increasing the refresh rate to 240hz? Makes no sense. If the subpixel can't match the gamma curve for the entire refresh rate range, you will see flickering. Actually it could be even worse if you increase the refresh rate and you only optimize the gamma curve of the subpixel for 240hz for example. That's why it is still the only option on latest OLEDs to prevent VRR-flickering to set the display to fix 60Hz. With this method you will force the subpixel into a consistent overcharged state. Dark scenes would look constantly raised, which you can fix with the fine tune dark area settings, but it would eliminate nearly all the VRR-flickering which you would normally see if you set the display to 120Hz. Wider refresh rate range with subpixels only optimized for gamma level at a fixed refresh rate = the more VRR flickering you would see.
Why there's not any 32" oled monitor that can do 4k at 120hz.
Is it impossible to cut 32" Oled panel
I have been asking the same question... i just dont understand curved ultrawides or television sized monitors...
Im upgrading from my C7 55" to G3 77" my wife gave me permission :) Woohoo
Woop woop 🙌🏾
Great to hear oled improvements final step is to eliminate burn in, I think in 6 yrs we might see it.
What excited me the most is the note that META OLED will be used in a 27" Gaming Monitor in 2023. That will be huge.
Does he mean this one ? UltraGear 27GR95QE-B
@@Tezzor I don't know. The slide only mentioned 32" and 27" gaming monitors in general.
Now i'm unsure which one to upgrade to Samsung QD-OLED or LG G3. I have a LG C8 i'm very happy with.
Wait a couple more years.
My choice is LG G3,. Samsung qd OLED s95b has oversaturated colors, i watch this samsung on stores
Well then, with MLA in the next gen Gallery series it's a no brainer. I will wait for the G3 instead of the G2.
My 2010 plasma might be running on fumes, but if I have been waiting so many years to upgrade. I can wait 6month more. :)
Will these brighter displays be able to prevent burn in or have steps taken to reduce it?
MLA has zero impact on the panel itself , its just an aditional layer which redirects the light from the panel
The brightness increase is from the lens not the panel being brighter
So my guess is that the G3 MLA tv will be the same as G2 when it comes to burn in
Cuz G3 most likely aint getting a brighter panel , the lens itself is boosting the brightness
@@nicknickname353 Ah right makes sense thanks for the info!
I hadn't realised that microlenses are indeed micro. 5000 per pixel! I thought every pixel would have its lense.
I also have a question, do you think in 2024 LG will use phosphorescent blue light?
Those are jumps i like. When i upgrade in a few years the win will definately be noticable.
Still running my LG B9 and wasn't looking to upgrade but this may swing me if I can get more brightness without ABL
Is there any improvement in motion resolution or bt2020 color gamut?
Higher brightness should lead to better motion resolution with bfi
minimal to at all.
Vincent, can you please tell us if the TV support 120hz BFI?
If it a modified version of the 2022 panel I fear it might not... which is why I keep saying 240hz refresh please... it fixes so many issues with that one change.
@@90lancaster yes 240hz or at least 165hz should be possible at 4k on OLED now.
The LG 27GR95QE monitor will have these MLA panels?
good question, i'm also interested
Great improvement! I’ll wait for the 2024 model when they switch from Deuterium to Tritium though.
Hi. Comprehensive review. Thanks. Can assist to check is LG C3 42 inch use META technology? Thanks
Incredible technology 👍
LG has patented this technology, next year MLA OLED with 2500 nits brightness is coming
It would be fun if you compared a C3 against a C7-C8, 5 year difference and see what have happend and how it shows.
I'm excited for mla to be in the c4
Ok, I am going to start saving for the 45" Gaming Meta screen then. I hope they add in a heat sink and more functions to stop burn in.
The more I keep up with the news the more dated my C1 seems. But then I go back to watch it and I'm still very happy with it. I just need to try to ignore the ABL dimming...
Its not as bad as sony, trust me. My a80j gets so dim that looks worse compared to my plasma for some reason.
Wow 2100 hundred nits for a oled is impressive, can't wait to see this , great job lg , Panasonic just might beat sony this in the tv shoot out , they beat the Qd oled s95b b last year and dam near the A95k .
They're actually still "stuck" at 250nits when displaying 100% White on screen, just like last year's. Could be due to the EU's power regulations and/or just plain heat.The big breakthrough will be when TVs get to 500-600nits at 100% white sustained.
Will be interesting to see Panasonic MZ2000 versus the Sony A95L using the new 2023 QD OLED panel. I feel like it’s going to be hard to beat the color volume of QD OLED and the 2023 panel will be getting a jump in brightness as well. If anyone can dethrone Sony it’s Panasonic
@@epap1375 I Have the A95k and Panasonic LZ2000 and some colors look better on the Panasonic LZ2000, and skin tones look better to , but over all the image is a little bit better on the A95k. Panasonic is the creator of the heat sink they are fantastic at engineering.
@@michaelfoster3441 Are you in the USA? I just picked up the A95K on Black Friday for my bedroom and am absolutely in love with it. Also have an LG CX and a sony A9G. The QD OLED color volume and brightness blew me away compared to my other TV’s. I’m a Panasonic fanboy at heart and would buy the MZ2000 in a heart beat to replace my basement “theater” A9G if they offered it in the US directly. A MZ2000 paired to my UB9000 blu ray player would be a dream.
@@epap1375 No I'm in the UK I wish Panasonic would go back to the US, you guys are missing out . Them and Sony will have the new media tek chip next year and it's a game changer, it will also have 4 2.1 hdmi inputs .
Are the recently released 27 inch OLEDs already MLA or will they come later this year? And if they come later this year 2.5k or 4k?
Did you even watched the Video? The answer should be obvious.
@@generischgesichtslosgeneri3781 It isn't. There were MLA TVs announced at CES, but there is no way of knowing if the announced 27 inch OLEDs use MLA or not
maybe a C4 or C5 for me once this has matured a little and come down a tier. Will survive with my c9 for now :)
Surprise! MLA improves the viewing angle, not reduces it.
Not a surprise at all.
The surprise is finding an emissive pixel tech like OLED has viewing angle problems in the first place.
Worth waiting for LG65G3?
This doesn’t affect the 48” sizes right? Should I get the 48”c2 or wait for the 48”c3?
Glad Vincent mentioned real world - I've been arguing that since QD-OLED came out - it's easy to see white light on edge of green leaves - our eyes "correct" for light casts as well - ie green Fluro lights etc - that's why we have those internet illusions or quandary's - what colour is this dress . Yes we have pure laser and burning metals to give pure colour at intensity . I think cartoons will use max BT2020 the most - same for HDR - look to see how much HDR stuff you watch - I love old movies - so not so important . Other factors may mean more to you motion handling/gaming / GUI - all the latest flagship TVs will look stunning . Will Samsung develop it's own MLA ?
You know it's absolutely brighter when the reflection is also brighter
This could also extend the life of the display by realizing higher brightness at lower power levels right? Pretty cool.
60% brighter for the same amount of energy and heat created? Which likely also means it won't add to burn in problems, Oled is already far closer to reality than anything else so I can't wait to see this.....
So, hold off a purchase of the Sony AK95 then in any sale this Jan (following CES)? :/
I saw some comments wondering what qd-oled + mla would look like. Am I right to say that's not likely to happen? MLA is an LG Display's technology and they don't currently make qd-oled panels
I think lg would have to pay samsung some money to use their qd tech or vise versa, samsung would have to pay lg to use their mla tech. It's possible, and if it happens it might be one of the biggest improvements in a tv in recent years.
Fantastic technology. Really smart.
LG is back in the game!
Would love to have you review a Ellde oled. They are so cheap in Japan.
I'm wondering, will i notice this difference in brightness between this TV and my C9 in SDR content? Or only in HDR content?
When you thought OLED viewing angle's could not get any better 😲😲
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it doesn't look like that in Live ! , it's not the same when you watch live TV or when you watch TH-cam! let's wait for the final TV for sale, where all the defects have been corrected, this is a pre-sale model
Now imagine they put MLA in QD-OLED
This
Exactly what I was thinking about. That would be the ultimate OLED TV of this decade.
Why so you can get already oversaturated crap even more oversaturated 🤡? Besides it’s patented by LG.
Will be very interesting to see a match up between LG Meta and Samsung QD-OLED
What I really want is no more distinct lines around bright sources and dark backgrounds. Does it do the smooth gradient yet?
Are there still burn in on screen problem on new screen?
I just hope the uniformity gets better with lg oleds
Thank you for the information and the actual benefits to be had from the brighter panel. I keep asking myself why I am still satisfied with my late generation panny plasma sets. Seems like meta will be a thing by the time I’m ready for the upgrade.
Old Panasonic Plasma tv's will still give you a excellent picture quality with SD material and HD blu rays. Though the brightness will have diminished a bit since you have had it for many years.
But current OLEDs will smoke a Panasonic Plasma for watching 4K HDR material! If you watch 4K blu ray movies, or even 4K movies streaming then you should switch to a 2022 or 2023 OLED tv.
How about quality of light (CRI) improvements??? I'll pass on the ridiculous retina searing thanks.
I love tests that this. What were the new panels you tested. I'm thinking a G3 or G4 but what panel was used in the LG lineup for the non MLA screen. Their G3 in 83" is WOLED but gets about 35% brighter than a new C4. I think this is important data. Thanks
how is burnin performance improved?
Chugging a beer in the airport....hilarious.
MLA in the upcoming 27" 240hz OLED monitors???
This with the combination off qdoled😍