MLA OLED Panel Explained - The Secret behind 2100-Nit OLEDs!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ม.ค. 2023
- How did LG Display achieve a peak brightness of 2100 nits on its latest OLED panel with META technology? We explain the principles of MLA or Micro Lens Array technology.
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exactly that's why I watch only him. Everyone else is just bullshitting
He really hates suck ups though.
Vincent is the best :D I love what he does.
lol it is sponsored video by lg!
So exciting! Can’t wait to see it in person! 😊
Won't be getting a new set soon but looking forward to see the comparison between this and the latest qd-oled sets this year.
we finally seeing a brightness war in the competing oled segment.
lg g3 beats the samsung s95c qd oled. happy with this. only a shame that the lg c3 model has now heatsink and no mla panel. so i must buy the lg g3 then! and i dont hang the tv on the wall. so i must buy seperate a stand for it!
@@janduller4722 beats how? wait for hands on reviews before jumping to conclusions.
@@HeloisGevit Hear it from caleb denison. He tells no jokes mate! Reliable guy from digitaltrends! And i hate tizen. Webos is so much smoother!
@@HeloisGevit Also the firmware updates from samsung are fucking scam. make the tv more worse then before. less more motion, dimmer also.
Wow so MLA is actually a foundational improvement in OLED and doesn't compromise viewing angles at all, that's a surprise.
In theory they could still boost brightness even further if they did start to limit viewing angles.
(Now I really wonder what would happen to QD-OLED with MLA? Probably 2,000 nits after calibration.)
Thats a good point if they inherit qd oled.
MLA TECHNOLOGY is patented by LG, QD oled is not perfect and QD oled has flaws
@@user-pu2ro8ok3r Both tech has flaws. Neither is perfect.
@@dbztrk can you say MLA OLED flaws? I want to know
Any or most OLED can be pushed to 2000 nits but would then burn super fast sadly :(
EDIT: Forgot to say microlens have already been made for years for some stuff, there's even some people on youtube doing arrays of macrolenses so any other brand can do their own too...
Man, I can wait to get a thorough comparison of the 2023 QD-OLED TVs and MLA WRGB OLED TVs.
Qd is still superior
@@FusioN_764Panasonic chose MLA that tell all you need to know.
@@FusioN_764 Samsung fanboy
@@kingyogesh441 panasonic chose wisely. MLA technology is patented by LG
@@user-pu2ro8ok3r *and is superior to qd-oled for Panasonic quality comes first.
Only TV spec channel you need. Always great work!
That viewing angles and brightness at off angle would be great for monitors. The final thing would be price of qd-oled or meta OLED. The right size and price would be the decider. Also would love to see firmware update or user upgradeable fitness rather than locking it out to service centers
Very impressive. I just got a new panel (C1) so it'll be a while until I can take advantage of this, but it bodes well for the future.
Thanks for covering the reveals!
Man I just gotta say, I love so much one year this technology is amazing, ground breaking, next year… look how bad this looks in comparison, technology is great
That's just dishonesty linked to referral selling.
Lol I bought a C1 a year ago that I never even opened... I should have waited lol. Think I should just try to sell it & get one of these new ones?
@@skins4thewin The C1 is a great TV. I have it too and happy with it, but will likely be upgrading towards the end of the year. The technology has improved significantly since 2021.
I know, it makes me sad that I just bought an LG C2.
@@skins4thewin yeah for sure
Beautiful !! 😍
very impressive. This should keep WOLED competitive with QDOLED for a few years.
Samsung QNED enters the chat.....
@@mnomadvfx and exits the chat
@@mnomadvfx Samsung has basically been the laughing stock of the TV market for many years now and I say that as a Samsung fan. 😂😂😂
Samsung phones and tablets are amazing.
Samsung TV's are garbage.
That simple.
@@JohnnyBravoGn LMAO
I e been watching this channel since it was at around 23k subscribers. Great jog on coming so far. Also great and informative content.
My go to channel for video analysis, thanks Vinnie
Amazing video, I’m so glad you provide such good content!
This is a dream come true. I have been waiting for such an improvement on OLED technology for years. It is time to upgrade my old B7 with a new G3. We’ll done LG.
I agree with you
Amazing stuff LG. Thank you for the review. We need 32" version! 💐💕
Just upgraded from a B7a to a C2 and pretty happy. It's always a funny time to buy considering the new models come out relatively soon and you feel like you just missed out, but the savings are legit. Enjoying the C2 thus far.
LG with the game changer
Nah, it still uses white subpixel boosting so colors are more washed out compared to QD OLED.
It's still going to look fantastic to the un trained eye. Bright with deep blacks. Can't go wrong .
@@Adam-vx6toor enhanced and unnatural colors on QD OLED
@@Adam-vx6to as of light from RGB pixels won’t pass through MLA 🤡🤡.
@@user-pu2ro8ok3r Colors are not unnatural on QD OLED, certainly not if you have it setup correctly. Not sure where people get this idea.
Been using OLED TV since 2017, this is the best improvement IMO, for the brightness solution in the OLED segment. Looking forward for the consumer samples to be reviewed.
I feel like TV manufacturers are the only company left that's actually trying to compete with innovation.
Thank you for the coverage.
I don't agree. Look at GPU manufacturers, or smartphones.. also car. Competition is everywhere.
@@joxyn If the competition you're talking is about "who can fumble this mess the hardest" I'm sure everyone would agree.
@@nabieladrian that's also true lol
@@joxyn The GPU market has been stagnated for the last 6 years lol
Compared to companies that make monitors for computers, I agree 100%
Whoever came up with the MLA approach is brilliant. Not only does it improve brightness but the it does so by using light that was being wasted before as opposed to using more power.
Very interesting how a tiny layer of billions of mirco lenes capturing and pushing out the light makes it that much brighter. I think a QD WRGB layout would be another good step.
Still loving my C1 and don’t plan to upgrade for about 4 more years. The picture quality is already incredible and the feature set I have is more than enough with brightness that’s perfect for my bedroom. When I do finally upgrade the way technology in tvs is heading it’ll be an insane upgrade in 4 years XD
Wow this looks amazing.
So glad I am waiting to 2023 or 24 to upgrade my 65" X950G
Fantastic technology. Really smart.
Yeah, Samsung really scared LG last year and they had to step up in terms of brightness.
Good thing there is competition now in the OLED world, it’s most beneficial to us customers.
Not really, WLA has been talked about for 7 years already. This may be the fruit of the labor/research finally.
@@patrickrk44 great, but them releasing this exactly now is a clear message anyway. They would have to use whatever they had in store anyway or invent something.
@@alangfp every company has a RD department that's working on the next big thing. Take Samsung and micro led. How long have you heard they have been working on it for for example....
@Rev nothing in the business world is a coincident
9000k white point tho apparently to get d65 you have to reduce the brightness to 1500nits
Now I seriously want samsung to make a 50inch microled to destroy LG 9000k what is all content displayed at d65 right so basically LG is gonna have to force filmmakers to start making there films in 9000k
With microled technology you can have d65 and and bright as far as you can drive them leds to over 10000nits and it will be a pure RGB panel so yea if I have to sacrifice D65 for more brightness then staying with the older panels for now is a better idea I don't want a blue picture
The mla in 27" oled monitors is gonna be huge for gamers
I don't miss any brightness on my Alienware OLED. With HDR1000, in one game I had to reduce gamma to 10-20 %, otherwise it would have burned off my retina.
Nice one Vincent. I'm still very happy with my LG - 65 C9PUA... but it's nice to know META technology is raising the bar
Those are jumps i like. When i upgrade in a few years the win will definately be noticable.
How is the energy consumption with MLA compared to without? When it is "just" a lens it should be almost the same as without but still ~60% brighter? Amazing stuff....
I had the opportunity to watch a couple of OLEDs in short succession - a B7 and a C2, both 55in models. You could sort of tell that B7 got a bit dark in brighter scenes, and it's OS was very jerky with HBO Max. C2 was definitely bright enough. I will probably get a 77" C2 or C3 at the end of the year, depending on the price difference between the models - Today the difference between a 77" C1 and C2 is 200€, so that's definitely doable.
Very insightful comment about most light sources in nature having a white color as their base. It certainly helps Woled TVs produce a natural bright picture.
The couple from the LG EX panel ad startles me every time I see it. They look like stand users
WRGB is here to stay. Windows needs to get onboard with this and have a font set mapped to it.
Not with its horrible uniformity. Tinting on whites and diluted colour.
QD oled is the better option for now.
@@pioneer2321 and qd oled with its raised blacks in light , over saturated colors , and light bleeding issues. Woled is a proven and reliable technology.
Love this progress. I've been planning to avoid OLED next time because of low brightness, but with this, maybe not now.
And burn in as well
to compete with Samsung Oleds, LG needed this!
amazing video, as usual!
Samsung's OLED panels are from LG.
This is a great jump. Viewing angles don't bother me much unless it is a set for the living room. Can't wait for LG to drop the C4 next year
Hi. Comprehensive review. Thanks. Can assist to check is LG C3 42 inch use META technology? Thanks
I love that QD-OLED will have a true competitor this year in the META-OLED. Hopefully this will also mean a price drop across the board as last years best Sony QD-OLED was expensive.
LG is back in the game!
Just give me a QD-OLED with MLA 😊
give me a micro led with 4000 nits brightness :D
@@Ustaleone and 12bit :)
MLA technology is patented by LG
@@user-pu2ro8ok3rI don’t think quantum dots are patented though. So LG could use quantum dots, and then MLA?
Im upgrading from my C7 55" to G3 77" my wife gave me permission :) Woohoo
Woop woop 🙌🏾
benefits aside.... this technology is pretty mindblowing tbh. imagine 5117 lenses per pixel!
Hyped!
Now imagine they put MLA in QD-OLED
This
Exactly what I was thinking about. That would be the ultimate OLED TV of this decade.
Why so you can get already oversaturated crap even more oversaturated 🤡? Besides it’s patented by LG.
Electroluminescent QD can't come soon enough. We have this MLA thing because of the color sub-pixel can't lit on their own, another layer to get rid of in the next few years.
Is Nanosys come to CES this year? I had a great time watching your interview with Nanosys CEO Vincent.
ELQD is the end goal , but QNED+QD color conversion layer will be fine until ELQD is ready.
I just hope the uniformity gets better with lg oleds
Incredible technology 👍
LG has patented this technology, next year MLA OLED with 2500 nits brightness is coming
bravo Mr Vincent bravo super excellent information and thank you so much for clarifying that white sub Pixel I was trying to tell people but nobody listen now hopefully they will listen because you said it and it's not me
Thank you for the information and the actual benefits to be had from the brighter panel. I keep asking myself why I am still satisfied with my late generation panny plasma sets. Seems like meta will be a thing by the time I’m ready for the upgrade.
Old Panasonic Plasma tv's will still give you a excellent picture quality with SD material and HD blu rays. Though the brightness will have diminished a bit since you have had it for many years.
But current OLEDs will smoke a Panasonic Plasma for watching 4K HDR material! If you watch 4K blu ray movies, or even 4K movies streaming then you should switch to a 2022 or 2023 OLED tv.
Amazing tech, might be time to consider an upgrade though my trust CX has been amazing (and my old e9 on glass before that is still going strong)
TY❤
It would be fun if you compared a C3 against a C7-C8, 5 year difference and see what have happend and how it shows.
The next few years will be great for OLED and slowly end the LCD dominance because both LG Display and Samsung Display have to compete and push the envelop every year.. The upgrades LG has brought in the past years are a direct response to the end of their large screen OLED monopoly. It feels like the last three years ('21-'23) competing brought more to the table than the first 8 years ('13-'20) in which LG had a monopoly
They’ve pretty much killed the led this year with the 2000+ nit oleds coming out.
@@polishdude001 Not really. Lcd still gets brighter at all window sizes with no risk of burn-in and is far cheaper. Oled will never beat lcd
@@semahj Yes it will but not now.
@@md_zafl5284 It really won't. Micro LED is around the corner. Lcd will always be cheaper to produce than OLED. OLED will never dominate.
@@semahj Micro LED isn't the endgame of panels. Neither is QD-Micro LED.
There's always something better around the corner.
Technology advancements wait for no one.
Would love to have you review a Ellde oled. They are so cheap in Japan.
Hope next C4 will have this panels too, not only G class. Also 2nd gen qd-oleds looks even better than last year.
I think he listed that in the previous video on this topic... I think it's missing from the A Series and B Series... I don't think Monitors or the CS was mentioned.... I don't even know if the CS was just a stop gap model to shift excess stock of certain parts or if they plan to keep making it. It is quite popular as a cheaper alternative to the C2 I feel. The 55" was as cheap as £899 a couple of months ago.
C4 will be a blast!
You know it's absolutely brighter when the reflection is also brighter
Oh boy, time for nits race
This may finally be the OLED I might choose to replace my first HDR TV, a Sony x930d. That TV handled highlights and color better than the OLED I got a year later. Last year's OLEDs were the first to match or slightly exceed that capability, while obviously also improving shadows. But I wanted something that would be a significant improvement on the highlight range before considering to replace that screen. Ultimately, TVs are devices that I like to buy for the long term, like gaming consoles, so like a new generation of gaming consoles, I want the upgrade to feel like a massive leap, and this finally appears to be the right step for that.
That being said, I'll probably wait a year after it's launch to buy the C3, in order to get it at a cheaper price, as my income is not the greatest at the moment, and that would also allow me more time to save some money.
Always a good plan to wait for a better price
It certainly is worth waiting for prices to decrease.
I think I may wait till black friday this year and replace the set in the living room.
I have just bought a C2 for my bedroom but I'm not sure an oled would be best suited for the living room as it can get bright in there.
I do hope there is a bug improvement in average picture level is it called? Base brightness?
That way u could hopefully use it in the living room.
I not u*.
I would be looking to opt for the g3 this time with it having a heat sink. It's extra protection anyway.
I would do that too, I bought a LG CX two years ago and I'm really happy with it but those new Meta panels are tempting. They will be really expensive at first for sure, so I might wait a couple of years more to get my hand on one of them, plus we're in some tough times so better save up instead of upgrading too early with a big early-adopter price.
@@craigst6755 Even my C6 has plenty brightness if I wanted to use it in the living room for SDR content. I calibrate SDR to 175 nits in my bedroom and that's only about half the way it can go. Remember, full field brightness isn't particularly important for real world usage as it is rare for the APL to get bright enough for ABL to matter.
Even with a lit room under consideration, if I'm watching HDR content I'm watching in the dark, living room or not.
If this shows more details on darker scenes (crushed black is it called?).. that would be great
Love this channel
Will be very interesting to see a match up between LG Meta and Samsung QD-OLED
Thanks man.
Wow! I bet that price tag gonna be crazy.😉
This with the combination off qdoled😍
Great improvement! I’ll wait for the 2024 model when they switch from Deuterium to Tritium though.
What excited me the most is the note that META OLED will be used in a 27" Gaming Monitor in 2023. That will be huge.
Does he mean this one ? UltraGear 27GR95QE-B
@@Tezzor I don't know. The slide only mentioned 32" and 27" gaming monitors in general.
Great to hear oled improvements final step is to eliminate burn in, I think in 6 yrs we might see it.
Vincent, is there no information on whether LGD has adjusted the subpixel control for lower refresh rates to prevent VRR-flickering? Or can we still assume that the panels are still only optimized for 120Hz operation?
I think they direction of technology is towards HIGHER refresh rates. a lower refresh isn't really beneficial in anyway I can think of.. except perhaps trying to get a panel to operate below 40 or 42fps for the purposes of showing 24fps Movies but since doubling works fine I don't really see the need. & it's only really useful for horrible frame rate videogames. which you really don't want anyone being encouraged to make.
I agree though VRR Flicker is annoying but I think the move to a 240hz standard might get rid of it.
@@90lancaster How should they get rid of it by just increasing the refresh rate to 240hz? Makes no sense. If the subpixel can't match the gamma curve for the entire refresh rate range, you will see flickering. Actually it could be even worse if you increase the refresh rate and you only optimize the gamma curve of the subpixel for 240hz for example. That's why it is still the only option on latest OLEDs to prevent VRR-flickering to set the display to fix 60Hz. With this method you will force the subpixel into a consistent overcharged state. Dark scenes would look constantly raised, which you can fix with the fine tune dark area settings, but it would eliminate nearly all the VRR-flickering which you would normally see if you set the display to 120Hz. Wider refresh rate range with subpixels only optimized for gamma level at a fixed refresh rate = the more VRR flickering you would see.
Still running my LG B9 and wasn't looking to upgrade but this may swing me if I can get more brightness without ABL
I'm excited for mla to be in the c4
I hadn't realised that microlenses are indeed micro. 5000 per pixel! I thought every pixel would have its lense.
I also have a question, do you think in 2024 LG will use phosphorescent blue light?
no lag. low ms to no ms panel.
no ghosting.
best picture possible i am looking for.
Sounds like the C4 will be the TV to get once all of these technologies trickle down. Similar to how the C2 got EVO panels.
I wonder if the micro lenses affect sharpness? Unless they redirect light perfectly, would they not cause the image to be a little fuzzier?
You are doing God job my friend.
good, but still i am more lean on QD tech from SDC
Thanks for explaining Vincent. Of course the real question on everyones mind is will it beat qd oled? Im looking forward to your comparison video on this.
there is no such thing as a perfect TV, they all have some flaws
Hello. Last c2 and new lg c3 is big diference in brightnes?
The more I keep up with the news the more dated my C1 seems. But then I go back to watch it and I'm still very happy with it. I just need to try to ignore the ABL dimming...
Its not as bad as sony, trust me. My a80j gets so dim that looks worse compared to my plasma for some reason.
can't wait for a proper 27 or 32 inch monitor with this tech!
This doesn’t affect the 48” sizes right? Should I get the 48”c2 or wait for the 48”c3?
Glad Vincent mentioned real world - I've been arguing that since QD-OLED came out - it's easy to see white light on edge of green leaves - our eyes "correct" for light casts as well - ie green Fluro lights etc - that's why we have those internet illusions or quandary's - what colour is this dress . Yes we have pure laser and burning metals to give pure colour at intensity . I think cartoons will use max BT2020 the most - same for HDR - look to see how much HDR stuff you watch - I love old movies - so not so important . Other factors may mean more to you motion handling/gaming / GUI - all the latest flagship TVs will look stunning . Will Samsung develop it's own MLA ?
It looks like grwb, not wrgb panels; but, wrgb flows. 🤘🏾
Will you test 77” sizes, since it’s the size you reference? 🖤💯
Ok, I am going to start saving for the 45" Gaming Meta screen then. I hope they add in a heat sink and more functions to stop burn in.
Seeing all this new tech makes me want to upgrade from my A9G.
I'm interested in the 83". Is it worth it if it's only a 30% boost compared to 60-70% boost on the 55, 65 and 77" models? I wonder if they will be able to get the extra large size models to have all the boost benefits of the smaller versions at some point.
A larger screen automatically appear brighter anyway. Since much larger screen surface. So might not be that much of a difference?
Curious to hear Vincent's thoughts around a purchase decision between a G3 83-inch and a G3 77-inch.
Where did you hear that the 83" will not have the same brightness boost as the other sizes? And is it because the 83" won't reach the same absolute brightness levels, or is it because the old 83" is already brighter than the smaller sizes?
I'm not sure but if you search "LG new micro lens array" or similar, there are articles about the sizes with the increased brightness for relevant models which from memory I think include the 55 inch. 65 inch and 77 inch.
Don't take my word for it though.
I just bought the C2 in December which was my first oled in 48 inch size which is still very large for the bedroom size I have it in.
In some ways I regret purchasing that as at the time I didn't know it was 55 inch+ sets that had the increased brightness and now LG seem to be making a very large step up year to year if 60% increase is indeed true.
I want to know about the smaller size improvements in brightness but the pixels are too close together in smaller sets for the same amount of brightness increase. Is is heat that means brightness can't be pushed up?
+1 same question!
MAN. Imagine what it would look like if we got a Blue Phosphorescent QD OLED panel with an MLA layer.
I think QD and MLA is same method to bosting brightnes, if QD combine with MLA layet it should be loss brightness i think, because the refection layer is too many cause absorbed light wave, CMIIW
@@amr2576 No.
QD just absorbs one wavelength of light and turns it into another with near perfect efficiency, which makes it a huge efficiency boost over dye/pigment based sub pixel color filters.
You can fine tune the output wavelength simply by controlling the size of the QD so it can be basically perfect color spectra for the whole thing.
QD color converson layer and MLA would be a super tech - it is obviously LG's eventual port of call for improving efficiency further.
@@mnomadvfx yeah, will see if Quantum Dot can combine with MLA its about time without causing side effect, i dint expect this will happend for 2 years or later, still waiting for perfect 100 percent color gamut rec2020 TVs on future if possible
maybe a C4 or C5 for me once this has matured a little and come down a tier. Will survive with my c9 for now :)
It seems telling that Panasonic went with the MLA panel.
Vincent stated it was for accuracy of content - the test is coming years when QD-OLED will put ahead with new blue OLED sources - but I think all the colours can get better - so both will have a place
Well then, with MLA in the next gen Gallery series it's a no brainer. I will wait for the G3 instead of the G2.
My 2010 plasma might be running on fumes, but if I have been waiting so many years to upgrade. I can wait 6month more. :)
When you thought OLED viewing angle's could not get any better 😲😲
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it doesn't look like that in Live ! , it's not the same when you watch live TV or when you watch TH-cam! let's wait for the final TV for sale, where all the defects have been corrected, this is a pre-sale model
Will lg launch a 27 inch monitor with mla? The new announced oled 27 monitors doesn't seems to have it
Wait the upcoming 27 inch gaming monitors will have MLA and META?! If it's true this will be amazing!
MLA in the upcoming 27" 240hz OLED monitors???
In a few years "Fly like a G6" once again be a passing phrase.
Chugging a beer in the airport....hilarious.
Are the recently released 27 inch OLEDs already MLA or will they come later this year? And if they come later this year 2.5k or 4k?
Did you even watched the Video? The answer should be obvious.
@@generischgesichtslosgeneri3781 It isn't. There were MLA TVs announced at CES, but there is no way of knowing if the announced 27 inch OLEDs use MLA or not