Solving the MELUNGEON Mystery
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Is Melungeon a race or ethnicity? Does it just mean "mulatto"? What last names do these families typically have? Sitting down with Heather Andolina, who leads the Melungeon Heritage Association, feels like opening a book to a story that's as personal as it is profound. She talks about her journey to uncover her Melungeon roots with a warmth and openness that draws you in. Heather's exploration is more than a quest for self-knowledge; it's a heartfelt invitation to others to look beneath the surface of their own stories.
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Thank you, Miss Romero! These video treatises that you do on the Melungeons, are the best so far, on a forgotten people in the United States. Heather did a great job of illuminating these people and other facts. Look forward to others that you will do, especially on Black/Italian interactions here. Peace
Roma, Jewish, Mulungeon. My three biggest markers according to my DNA results. Absolutely no one in my family can explain ANY of those. My people are from NC, TN, GA, and AL. Like so many others I was told I had a heavy native American ancestry. I do not. Common story.
Evidently someone set up an early Sephardic Jew settlement in Northern Georgia. There are some with Jewish blood line in the Mtns around here😁
@@dennistrull1475 Thanks !!!!
Mississippi and Louisiana also don’t forget
@@vanessareedhawaiinani the Pirae captain Jean Lafitte was Sephardic Jewish on his mother's side. Many of the Pirates of the Caribbean were Sephardic Jews who got letters of Marque from the English to prey upon Spanish shipping in revenge for being expelled from Spain.
Sephardic Jews have been in the Colonies since the very beginning. They did not hide it, much, though.
Don't forget what?
I love your natural, curly hair, Danielle!
I’m learning to love it again!
So good ladies! This is such a fascinating topic of heritage.
This one is so close to my heart
So many of the photos shared remind me so much of my family too. My beautiful late grandma reminded me so much of the actress Merle Oberon. We always had the " Cherokee" stories whenever people would ask why certain family members look the way they do too!
#NYTN, i am so glad you are able to connect with this historian.
Another great video. Keep at it!
There is such a thing as shovel teeth. My son had his front tooth pulled and the dentist kept it because they had never seen one. They have very long roots. Melungeon ancestry here too. When you get into Virginia, especially Native and black ancestry, what you will find is the attempt to erase any Natives at all being in VA after removal. There were 7 state recognized tribes with the Pamunkey FINALLY getting Federal recognition just a few years ago. Had been denied even though they had been giving tribute to the Gov of VA since the 1600s every YEAR. I've been researching this a long time. One book you might be interested in is called "Free In Chains" by Mary B. Kegley. She tried to write it as a novel...eh but it's based on actual Virginia court documents, of a slave gaining freedom for her family because of Native ancestry. LOVE your channel Keep up the GOOD work!
Thank you for this video! I have several Melungeon surnames in my family, I know of at least one Melungeon ancestor in my family (just started researching) My DNA test showed Irish Scottish, German and then a small amount of indigenous, south Asian, middle eastern and North African (Egyptian) and SSA. Me and all my relatives on my dads side have the AA CG skin genotype (the CG is very rarely found in Europeans) when it is it is usually found in southern Europe which I do not have. Thank you for your videos they have helped me SO much in exploring my heritage. I always wondered why people usually don’t think that I’m fully white and why my dad’s side of the family has very dark skin and features despite being mostly white. Keep up the good work Danielle!
it's like a I've always said : Melungeon is Mélangeon and not derogatory, Exactly like "negro" means black in Spanish and ancient italian.
And Português.
No. Black means dead in law. Melungeon was a slur they used for bleached black people
Interesting stuff, ladies. thanks for the info!
SOOO interesting! Heather was, too. Your channel is going to grow fast!
I and my brothers have the head bump …l have the shovel teeth .We live on the East Coast of Canada with Inuit ancestry.
another great one Danielle
I have almost the same story and am in tears watching this. We’re mixed Roma, Indigenous, English from West Virginia, and my gram straight up told me we were “melungeon mutts” growing up. 😆 the pics of my ancestors are wild too. Definitely have the bump, but sometimes I question if that’s a legitimate thing? On the more unexplainable or esoteric side, I will say there’s some epigenetic information in me that has innately drawn me to certain interests and I have organic understanding of things that are unexplainable.
Shovel teeth are a common indigenous trait (check this out from an anthropological and evolutionary perspective) and that’s why western dentists are always messing up our teeth. 😂
It’s been said that the bump is a Turkish trait, but there is no proof of that as true. However, most north Europeans have this trait, as well, especially those located in Sweden. The theory is that is a Neanderthal trait and comes from the admixture of early Europeans with Neanderthal. Interesting, huh! Love your show. I’m learning a lot from hour channel. Thank you, great show!
Northern Norway and northern Sweden ancestry - we have the bumps.
Well, idk which one you refer to but I have a very lumpy head, so I probably have that one, as well. I do have the usual Neanderthal percentage, somewhere around 2%, I think.
*(I'm not Melungeon. My family seems to have completely bypassed the Appalachians, in all the branches.)
I do have a small quantity of "probably Swedish" (Ancestry keeps changing its mind; something Scandinavian.) Other than that I'm Scottish/other Celtic groups/English.
@@MelissaThompson432 remember that the % of Neanderthal is unique to Neanderthals, there was much more untraceable DNA because the species had so much in common. Some say that if you count the common DNA we'd be up to 20%+.
I don't think the occipital bun and the bump are the same trait.
Interesting and informative, thanks.
It amazes me because all of these admixtures and histories are very recent but yet remains a mystery.
Another note, your discussion brought up Chavis, Locklear, Oxendine, etc and the Lumbee. Just throwing in my piece of that puzzle. Last year I discovered several of my DNA matches who connect to that community. One of my shared matches with them is someone I have been collaborating with in hopes to solve a brick wall they have. We felt like our connection was somehow related to ancestors we know were in New Jersey with very early French and Dutch heritage. I tried to explore the trees of these matches for a hint of which of their ancestors may have come from that region. I never could find it, and it's still a mystery to me where our connection might be. I ended up spending a lot of time learning about the Lumbee culture, which is fascinating and full of great stories. They have lots of TH-cam videos on various channels, you can look up. In their stories is an Oxendine who went to Tennessee, changed their name to Exendine. Another line, I forget which, has another obscure origin story where a surname was purposely changed. So the answer may never be found.
You are a wealth of knowledge and education.
Fascinating. Evidence of people who seem to have been by today’s descriptors really inclusive and had a notion of living in a very integrated way and somehow remained under the radar for the longest time!
Appalachia in a nutshell!
Well said!
I wish i could recall but i had read that during some of domestic wars, the peoples refused to take side, saying it was none of their concern.
Two women who seek to know and preserve the past of their respective families.
I have Locklear and Oxendine connections from Lumbee, Richardson and Silver from the Haliwa Saponi and Bass from the Nansemond of Virginia
That all so my lines too and what i am :)❤❤❤❤
Locklear and Oxendine here as well !
You were talking about the banjo, you should search another North Carolinian Rhiannon Giddens she plays the banjo and is featured on a new country album by B. She talks about the history of the banjo
15-17 ethnicities here! I love what you are doing. Please love the human race. We are all connected.
I'm proud that I educate myself and I have known about this
What people don’t realize is that African Americans in the piedmont region of North Carolina specifically Rockingham, Guilford, Caswell and Alamance counties are lighter skinned, red undertones, redbone, mulatto and mixed. Most identify as Black but their heritages are mixed with Scottish, Scots Irish and Some British. The plantations were smaller and greater chances of racial intermixing.
Specifically family names such as Courts, Watlington, Stokes, Simpson, Graves, etc.
There’s a group of Melungeons here in Amherst Co. Virginia.
Ed from Lynchburg
Danielle you should do a video on the Atlantic Creoles, many of the melungeon families and redbones descended from them. Might be an interesting through line
It sounds really interesting and cool.
So happy to have found this channel! I have Vanover and Mullins lines in my family and another family line from Natchitoches. Then my other side of the family is from Japan which is a lot to discover as well as pre Meiji era information is somewhat hard to find ie- common people in Japan were not allowed surnames until the 1870s!
wow! you really belong here. I did a docu series on here last year where I met family in Natchitoches for the first time.
Thank you! Excited to binge watch 💖
Explore Bela Fleck’s banjo music(he has a documentary about the banjo as well) He approaches banjo from both American and African influence. Also worth noting that country and bluegrass music are direct derivatives from African music(my degree was in bluegrass music from East Tennessee state university.)
He's great!
African music is one of the major influencs in Bluegrass music (mostly blues influenced) but not the only one. Old Time music (which is not Bluegrass, which is a 20th century invention) is a huge influence as well. Of course Old Time has African roots too, but a huge part is from England, Ireland and Scotland as well as some German and Native influenes. You could just as easily say Bluegrass and Country are diret derivatives from European music, and you'd be right. American folk music is a melange of influences from everyone who came to America or who is originally from America.
@@PapaPhilip lots of documentation on how Bill Monroe and Hank Williams both learned songs and skills directly from black musicians before Bluegrass and country were even considered genres, and one can most certainly also hear Irish/Scottish and Gaelic influences(likely from the folks who settled Appalachia, a tri-racial mix) fascinating to think of how these genres are perceived vs. how they originated. Was a fun and enlightening performance based degree program there at ETSU for sure.
@@BirdDogg We agree. I was not disputing or disagreeing with you, but I made my comment because your comment made it sound as if it was the only direct influence, not one of many. You'll note that I did not downplay the African American influence. I'm aware that Arnold Schulz, the son of a slave, and friend of Bill Monroe was a major influence in thumb style guitar playing (which influenced Doc Watson and Merle Travis). Of course the Blues and Jazz also have European influences as well as major African influences. It's a beautiful mix of music.I think it's really important to maintain the mutual influences and interplay of cultures that makes a new American culture. I've seen too many people on all sides saying "this is ours, and you stole it" kind of thing and I really don't like that because it becomes divisive rather than uniting.
Even Gospel music has been shown to be a mix of European (specifically Hebridean Scottish style of singing) and African inluences.
We're all in this together.
@@PapaPhilip Oh, no worries, I didn’t take it that way, was just agreeing and adding a bit more context to my comment due to her surprise at the banjo being African. In my experiences as a touring bluegrass musician most common folks assume bluegrass derived from mountain folks, or Irish roots. it’s really fascinating to me how few folks of color realize their influence on the various aspects of musical culture and is always exciting to see their discoveries and exploration of the music, was just expounding on things folks might want to explore more.
My family is Goines and in the book: the Portuguese marking of America, that name is in his book. Goines, Goin are both are in the book, among a whole long list of names. Their are also Chaves in my family. I'm so grateful for you !! At my family reunions there were very white family members with blonde hair and blue eyes, red heads with green eyes and dark skin members with brown eyes. I'm in the middle😊. It's an honor to be a Melungeon! We are strong, resourceful , independent people who are unique in this world.
how beautiful! I love seeing the way we can gather together as family and as a community...while looking all kinds of ways.
Just to put it in retrospect the melungeon people were a product of indigenous afro, indigenous afro indian, french, german,
When I was in the Army, my drill sergeant, Velton Locklear, jr. is Lumbee Indian.
I really do love this work. I started looking at these Melungeon people and I know I've seen them before. There is a group of islands off the coast of Honduras called the bay islands. In the 1870s there was a large influx of Americans. These Americans came to be called los caracoles. Caracol is sea shell. Many were confederates fleeing the south post union victory. The caracoles are mainly on an island called Utila. Not 100 percent sure, but judging by the look many must have been Melungeon. Utila is a great dive spot and coral viewing area.
this is new to me!
@@nytn American southerners also fled to Belize post civil war. They are part of creole population. Very mixed with Africans and east indians now. Amongst them I'm sure you'll find those with Melungeon ancestry.
Brazil also received them in Sao Paulo state. They still celebrate dia de confederados. They've blended into the general Brazilian population. You can easily google confederates in Brazil.
I think I saw them on Utila island Honduras. Honduras locals call them the white black people. Not a pejorative just a convenient descriptor. Google utila great place for a diving and sailing family.
These “Confederates” were more likely just that, folks who fled after the secessionists lost the Civil War. There were others migrated up into what we know as western Canadian provinces, then others down into and past Central America. Of this latter group you’ll find cultural remnants from the United States. And yes they brought their beliefs with them.
There’s also Irish descendants (San Patricio)in Mexico who fought on the side of Mexico in even earlier conflicts with USA.
Good evening from Copperhill Tn.
Hello!
Do you have any book suggestions for books about Melungeons that moved from east TN to Louisiana and Texas? Thank you!
It's so neat when you see people who look like family when you look like few others! 👍😍😎
i grew up in church hill,tn in 1960's through 1988. That community is about a 50 mile drive east of melungeon community located in sneedville commu city in hancocke coynty,tn.
I went through high school in late 1870's till 1982 with many kids who were great to great grandkids of melungeon families by names of colins,owens,davis,goins,mullins,Sizemore, fugates and gibson's. Many were more olive complexion kids like I was. I have jones,nichols,riddle,clark.kings and sharps in my direct bloodlines who have all lived in northeast Tennessee since the 1770 to 1780's.
Also I have several family lines that came out of western nc region where they lived by mid 1740's until 1770's before they crossed the mountains to settle in the Johnson city/jonesborough and Erwin areas. Those surnames were duggers,hughes,anderson,huskins,garlands,loudys,estepps,webbs,martins,tapps/ tappticos,halls,Steven's,yates,andersons,conrads,little johns,shells/schells,Shaw duncans,mulkey,plotts and Ellis.
I have the shovel concave shaped front top teeth and the big Anatolian ledge on the bottom of my skull. I also have blueish grey colored eyes. During summertime I can also tan a deep reddish brown color.
I am also 3 rd to 4 th cousins with some Lowry and revels folks. Must come through my grandma Julia (Jones) dentons line as she grew up in hendersonville,nc, I also have Anderson's and Hughes on my mom's/mother's side. Her grandma mary Loudy was a garlands. She grew up over in yancey county,nc by burnsville area. There are Anderson's in the lumbee Indian tribe.
I am most definitely not Melungeon. My family has been in Tennessee since it was "native territory," but apparently bypassed the Appalachians in order to get here. My father's family, the side with the legendary Cherokee grandmother, came from South Carolina through Georgia.
But different groups of people, where they came from, how they move through time and space in general, is fascinating.
My dad’s from port Arthur TX and my mom is from Versailles KY.
I am Melungeon. My Momma is a Mullins. My Grandpa's Great Grandma was Mahalia Mullins. William Mullins, his wife Alice and 5 children came over on the Mayflower in 1620, from Surrey England. They married Irish, Cherokee and African American. They settled in the Appalachian mountains of Tennessee.
My husband is Mexican and his dna has the same mixture.
During the time between 1492 to the Mayflower, the Spanish and Portuguese went further North in areas that became eventually British Colonies- they explored, and released Barbary Pirates from North Africa/Algeria, Tunisia etc., they released them offNorth Carolina/Virginia etc! They slowly worked their way to the Appalachian Mt's and eventually mixed with typical whites, Native Americans, and blacks in various admixture! When early British settlers explored the Southern Mountains they noticed there was people who looked Mediterranean that were already there - they looked that way, because they were Med/Middle Eastern Ethnically! That was the beginnings of the Melungeon People! That is why you find Mediterranean genes in these people!
That would probably explain why Spanish/Portuguese and Middle Eastern showed up on my 23andMe test.
Thanks I always wondered way my family is so dark
Shovel teeth is definitely a thing. I took an anthropology course in college. Native Americans have shovel teeth - or at least the ones we learned of. I think we were talking about the area of Mexico in this class.
I would love to send a picture of my grandpa and grandpa, and aunts and uncles as kids. To the foundation.
Very interesting discussion. Melungeons... un mélange (mixture) in French! I should have put that together!!!
GEDMatch is a wonderful tool for locating DNA connections because you don't have to all have tested with the same company to make comparisons.
You don’t, but I’ve found each place I test with have all different results and also on Gedmatch. Some matches are stronger and some are new. It’s very interesting.
@JollyGoodWitch Yes, even though there are differences in ethnicity percentages, the centiMorgans (cM) matched are pretty close. That's a condusive match. And we all know, the DNA doesn't lie.
Your research ties in with other heritage research. There have been many migrations from Central America, Siberia and Scandinavia that contributed to our "Native" tribes and cultures.
Your dedication to truth in your research is so rare. ❤
7:00 mélange. I’ve heard it used in cooking recipes.
Mélange is the French word for mixture.
This is very interesting on a personal level. My mother was dark and my grandfather was very dark. I was always told that I had a lot of Indian blood. DNA test showed no Indian blood but it did show 2% African blood.
Any Black ancestry acquired by the Melungeons of Hancock Co, TN had to be acquired
more than 230 years ago from most likely North Carolina or Virginia. During this
230 years, there has never been more than 10 black families in Hancock Co, TN.
The Melungeons have always largely outnumbered Black Families by a facture of 20 times.
Now I must look to the African origins of the banjo.
The Surnames are a way to figure out which tribes a person is connected to, the Chavis Surname is in many North Carolina tribes, my Chavis connects with the smallest tribe recognized by the state of North Carolina which is the Occaneechi Band of the Saponi Nation. But Burnett(e) Jeffries, Corn, Whit(t)more are the more predominant Surnames, Hillsboro, NC. Is one of the Occaneechi's reservations lands then they moved it to Pleasant Grove NC. which is just a few miles apart.
I’m from North AL. Most of my family came over during the Puritan migration in the 1600’s. My ancestors slowly moved from New England down south. I heard the term “black Dutch” a lot on my mother’s side. Never knew what it meant - I wonder if black Dutch and melungeon have any similarities. My sister and I look very different (yes we have the same parents lol). We did DNA tests and I had 10% Jewish pop up and she had Scandinavian and some African pop up…
tons of swarthy dutchman in europes history like saint nicolas.
@@krono5el Saint Nicholas was from Myra in Lycia in Asia Minor. He was not Dutch. He was Greek.
A lot of Sephardic Jews fled to the Netherlands after the expulsion of 1492. Some stayed in Spain and were forced to convert to Catholicism (called Conversos). When Protestantism came into being in Europe many Jewish Conversos became Protestant (thinking it would be easier to be "Crypto-Jewish" as a Protestant away from the Inquisition). Unfortunately, that was the cause of their being expelled from Spain. The Netherlands had been under Spanish rule for a while and so there was an established Sephardic community there (the philosopher Spinoza was part of this community). So many Sephardim went there to communities that would accept them. Some remained Protestant, though, and changed their names to more "Dutch" sounding names. One of my ancestors was a Van Kortryk and the further you go back in the genealogy, suddenly their name becomes Cortes. The deRoos family was originally De Rosas for example. Some did not change their names and eventually came to America and got absorbed into the places they settled (especially if they were Protestant). This was true of my Israel de Ferreira/de Piza family became simply the Israel family and then married a bunch of Scots and English people in E. Kentucky.
The name of a non-Jewish Spanish family in the Netherlands that became thoroughly Dutch was the Fonda family (the acting family, Henry, Peter, Brigit, Jane, etc). Henry Fonda said he was Dutch from way back, but his name is Spanish.
These lighter ppl lived in the area known as Duhare (du erie) carolina..its said..ppl who came from ireland from other places and they described how they looked..but some how they were called black dutch due to them working under, with the" black dutch" due to mixing with the so called black dutch.. who worked right beside these dark brown Indians ... yes they (dutch were lighter than the indians some) but were still melanated.. and were still called black dutch ( rickohockens).. lol i wish ppl get into that. But im gonna be quiet .. at this point. Regardless of what this president is saying with all due respect lol theres no mystery in native history... want to know who these so called indians were called around these times the mixed spanish came from south america? Ask.. then look it up. There's info out here...the melungeons are melanges..but red legs /red bones is a seperate history..that connects to the uchi indians bc where ever they went they was amongst them.also if you have prominant puertoguese in your history then could also be different and more on the history side of the name Mestico not melungeon and the places they went with the indians/ mixed descendants (cape verde) then back to boston area.
@@krono5elthe dutch were called many names. On this land they were called names like chero-kee or sara-ki or cheraw...
As someone who grew up knowing they’re Melungeon and as someone who’s straight down historical Melungeon lines, it’s a little weird to me that the PRESIDENT of a Melungeon organization didn’t actually grow up knowing they were Melungeon. Maybe it’s just me, but it would make more sense to have a President who didn’t have to research and speculate about their history so much.
Melungen, are of Muslim Moors, Sephardic Jews, originally from Spain, Scottish and Native American Ancestry.
There's no reason to hide Sephardic ancestry. I have openly Sephardic ancestors who settled in E Kentucky, and who were Protestant converts. There were other Sephardic Jews who went to America through the Netherlands (had gone from Catholic Conversos to Protestantism) and changed their names over time to Dutch sounding names. I have three or four lines of those in my Kentucky and SE Ohio Appalachian genealogy. Sepharidic Jews aren't always "dark" either. I've known quite a few Sephardic Jews who were very fair skinned, blue eyed and red haired who came from Istanbul, Turkey. Middle Eastern Phenotypes cover a wide range from very fair to dark. Greeks often equated Blonde Hair and blue eyes with Turkishness (due to the Galatian people, Slavs and Circassians among others that were absorbed into the Turkish gene pool through the practice of conquest and devsierme- the child tax.). I know you did not mention Turks, but many do when speaking of Melungeons, thinking that Turks are one of the "darker" Middle-Eastern people. Genetically the Muslim Moors from Spain by the time of the expulsions were largely (not totally) of a similar make up as the standard Spanish person. Check out Ancestral Brew for that (often depends on which region of Spain).
@@PapaPhilip They had to hide it, because of the Roman Catholic Inquisition, hence why when those who migrated from Spain to France, rebranded themselves as Huguenots, Protestants, Quakers, Puritans, Calvinist, Port Jew, Crypto Jew, Moresco and Morano. They were the first settlers in every new world colonies, from 1492, sailing with Columbus, on board his ships, they were Sephardic Jews and Muslim Moors. Columbus himself, real name is Salvador Fernando Zarco, a Sephardic Jewish family from a village called Cuba in Portugal.
We have the Oxendine name in our family and we’re able to trace the line to the Lumbee tribe in N Carolina by the work others had posted online. We had no idea until I searched the Oxendine name in recent years. My grandmother told us we had Native American heritage but we didn’t take her seriously, because she was fair skinned, blue eyed, light red hair😅.
Great video, Im creole on my Moms side and Melungeon on my dads side .
Love the channel
That's awesome! So similar to me
I am of Melungeon descent, I descend from Vardy Collins line and J William Gibson line. I have dark, almost black, very course hair, bark brown eyes, medium complexion. My maternal great grandmother was Collins, Hicks, and Gibson and her husband and double 2nd cousin, was Gibson and Hicks. She passed away when I was 9 and I remember her saying she was “Portagee” and a little bit Jewish. She had very long straight black hair, dark eyes, almost black, a very deep olive complexion. My great grandfather had black hair, light blue eyes and a medium skin tone. Both of Melungeon descent. I done a DNA test awhile back and I have 34% Mediterranean, specifically Spanish/Portuguese, 7% Finnish, 1.8% Native American, 1.2% Middle Eastern, .8% Sub Saharan African. The rest is European. I have a lot of DNA matches with people from Portugal and Puerto Rico. My family surnames in addition to Collins and Gibson are Moore, Goins, Allen, Mullins, Nichols, Beverly, Freeman, Boggs, Sizemore , Bolling, Hamilton, Dodson and Huff. My Huff has Q-M242 haplogroup but is traceable back to the Netherlands by paper trail. I have so many dead end lines and
My maternal grandfather is a Moore. My grandmother is a Green/Whittington. My paternal great grandmother was half Caucasian. One of maternal grandmother’s parents was half Indian. I don’t know which tribe. Supposedly my DNA said I am a little Jewish. I have no idea who it’s from. I don’t know where the Moores are from. It’s all too confusing for me. I just know that everyone in existence are from Adam’s son Seth. We are family.
I have both surnames of Collins and Boggs.
Jellico? I've been there.
If you are having issues with TH-cam, then you must be doing something very constructive. Stay the course!👊🏽
haha thats what I tell myself
I hated the bump on the back of my head. But I have learned to live with it. Family goes back to Carolina Coast. Names,places and lots of boxes check off including DNA test!
That's exactly what I mean. She's at the center of all relations.
Shovel teeth appears to be a prominent Asian trait. I have a heavily Hispanic patient
base but I also have Black, African, and White. Shovel teeth is very common with Native American mix /Asian people.
All Natives across the Americas have Shovel Shaped teeth, along with Native American Haplogroups, are the two best ways to trace Native American ancestry.
I’m so glad I finally figured this out. It took like ten years 😅
Through my dad's side, my heritage tracks from the scotch-irish, who settled in Virginia, then moved through the Carolinas, then wound up in Alabama and Florida.
The physical characteristics I have are shovel teeth, reddish hair, the ridge on the back of my skull, high cheekbones, wide face and hooded eyes.
I've always been told there was indian, but was never told about whom or from when or where. I dug through my ancestry profile and turned up a couple of surnames that I saw on some melungeon surnames list, from as far back as the 1600s. How would I find out, for sure, without a DNA test, because I don't want to take that?
Loving the fact that u are embracing the natural hair🫶🏽 I did so in 2013 and it was a moment where I also realized how difficult the coming to home process would be….As always sending love to my NY sister💪🏽❤️
Slightly related story from my college days in early 1970s. My university is in the midwest. This was a time of civil rights, the Vietnam war and more. Many of the students from the area were Jewish. When the black students started wearing their Afros, some of the Jewish kids let loose theirs, too. I had led a sheltered life, thinking all whites had straight hair. So, i guess those kids were freeing themselves too. The longer i live, the more assumptions i have to unlearn. If we don’t know each other all we do is assume. I always respect those who ask instead of assuming.
@@dplj4428Being from NY we argue the features of the Jewish just as we do the Italians, whom also very easily grow beautiful Afros….It’s an experience to see firsthand. My hair is still natural, healthy and mid back when pulled🫶🏽
It looks like your guest is a Star Wars fan or at least her husband!
Italians aren’t white. Anglo Saxons are.
I’ve got the bump on the back of the head wow my my family is from Kentucky but originally from Virginia and now in Louisiana and Texas and the first documented trace of them was 1650
They were such a handsome people. Inside and out.
Maiden name is Williams and i have that also yes 🙌🏽
Williams Family of Hancock Co., TN goes back 200 years as Melungeon.
Im from Mississippi born so that maybe family also mines
So yeah i have connections in Tennessee Ron
If any American has the shovel shaped incisors, they most likely have Native American ancestry, or less likely, they could be East Asian. Are shovel shaped incisors found in a lot of Melungeons, I know they are a mixed ethnic group?
Yes, many Melungeons do have shovel teeth. I have them myself, and I have
both Indian and Melungeon ancestry.
I have shovel shaped incisors and some distant NA ancestry. Also look at fingerprints. the whorl pattern is more common for NA and East Asian ancestry. 7 of my fingers have this fingerprint pattern. I thought this might have come from Turkic sources on my dad's side, but my mother had 8 of her fingers with the whorl pattern and the shovel teeth. Don't know if my dad did, though... he lost his front teeth as a kid in a street hockey mishap. He had a bridge. :D
Funny thing, a friend was my dentist for a while. He asked me about Native American ancestry. I knew there was supposed to be some in the family. He said my teeth were Native American. The Native American showed up in my brother's DNA test but not mine. However, there are a number of Natives in the Pittsburgh area, and when I run into them I get asked what's my tribe. My brother doesn't look Native at all. My sister looks more Native American than I do.
We have been able to discover that our family was free by the year 1630 for sure. Family story says we are the first Blacks to arrive in Jamestown in 1619 who were indentured rather than enslaved. This we were never slaves.
My Great Grandmother Barbara Bunch was a Melungeon from Eastern Tennessee. Dad used to tell me that she was so dark skinned person that she was almost a black person.
I knew Barbara Bunch a daughter of Henry Bunch. She was just black enough
to be beautiful, and she sang just like an angel. Her voice could bring tears to
the eyes of the most hardened soul.
@@ronwinkles2601 thank you Ron.
Soooo, was watching The Price Is Right and a contestant was called up. Her last name was Melungeon. Nope. Could not look at her and have a clue of her ethnicity. I went to college in Arkansas with a Gibson who could be described as a Redbone. I know people with all of these names. One of my students in NC was Lumbee.
Your guest explained it perfectly, hopefully you understand what she said
To rewind it
Melungeon is a mixed raced person, multi ethnic
Black, white, asian etc
Because the way they were treated they lived in the same community, inter married and moved together
Simple and straight forward
Secondly neither of you are Melungeon but its part of your heritage and DNA ancestry
Just like neither of you are black or asian but it can be part of your dna make-up
You're Caucasians
My daddy’s redbone and my mom is melungeon.
A great ending to the video.
My maternal family where originally from the Canary Islands, and all my aunts and uncles were different colored complexes. My grandfather was light skin and light eyes while my grandmother was darker.
When the Spanish discovered and colonized the Canary Islands, they were occupied by a Berber/Amazight type off people that were isolated from North Africa for a long time! The Spanish mixed with them- so the modern Canary Islander is mostly Spanish with various %'s of Guanche DNA- I think sometimes as high as 14- 35 %. The Guanches were described by the Spanish as tall and fair complected!
I've never had any problems accessing your videos here on You Tube. I think everything is fine.
My Mother’s maiden name is Collins and my Father’s name is Gibson, both are born in Pulaski County, Kentucky. I am dark completed with blue eyes, my oldest Sister has dark hair and my youngest Sister has light brown hair. I do have a very big ridge on the base of my skull. We have a strong Scottish heritage and Cherokee heritage. But when I asked my Father where did you get your curly hair I was told nothing. The mystery was kept secret and not talked about.
Have you ever looked into the negroid phenotypes of indigenous people that the European explorers saw on the East Coast and parts of the Caribbean? Also, it is true that the racial integrity act did change the game froma tribal standpoint. A lot of these groups and tribes today are just an amalgamation of black and white based on historical readings at this point. Yes, you will also find more of the Mongoloid phenotype on the West Coast, but again just a question. So, any thoughts???
Many mongoloid types still on the East Coast. Blacks probably came with early explorers
This makes me wonder about my father. He claimed there was Cherokee blood in his family tree! He is from Texas, and I wonder if there is a chance there is Melungeon blood mixed in there.
What is Melungeon blood?
What is mulatto blood?
What is a mixed raced blood? Lol
Almost everyone is mixed , if that helps you.
Melungeon was a term to describe certain mixed race people like tiger wood for example, if it was today ... Him and his kids would be Melungeon
There's yellow bone like in the case of Megan Markle for example
Red bone in the case of Beyonce
Creole in terms of Tina Knowles
Passing as white in terms of Jessica alba's kids
Mixed in terms of Stephen curry
I hope this helps you in understanding what the different word signified and how they were used in the context of completion
It's not an ethnic group or tribe per say , but more on the culture of what made the various distinction of the then mixed race community
And they're not related, they come from the various racial groups on earth
Bound together in a community by how they looked and nothing more
Today Melungeon doesn't exist in terms of continuation and labeling of race or ethnicity
People keeping that word alive is just more on the history side of things
@@k-dwanks2481 People who had that in their ancestry tended to excuse their complexions with an explanation of Indian blood, which they felt was better than being of African descent. It is a sad fact of the times.
@@mind_of_a_darkhorse and they also fail to realize that this communities of people, lost their true identity or racial category
By being called Melungeon, redbone, yellowbone, colored etc
Instead of identifying them by their paternal line
And so today , we have this word, that is too broad to truly identify an individual race
And so even DNA ancestry could be making mistakes by bringing that category up
Labeling it Melungeon
Notwithstanding those talking about indian blood, fail to realize that there are indigenous Africans in India and most of the asian countries
Philippines etc today
Then they would be proud to have African ancestry and all the wonders that comes with it
Theres always room for Jellico
I am a descendant of the Walden, Goins, Chavis, and Gibson families
Well hello, cousin!
Goins, Chavis, Gibson
@@nytn I had no idea that the families moved from Virginia to North Carolina where most of us still are. I’ve found so much information and family history
@@nytn th-cam.com/video/V6TwaDLgCW0/w-d-xo.htmlsi=FHMWPgC2TafL-hAU
Information about the Walden and Goins families and my great great grandparents and lumbee history
@@nytnhello I hope that all is well
Someone else had brought up another claimed physical trait- melungeon elbows. The ones who tan really dark will have their knees & elbows go noticeably darker than the rest of their body. My mother actually noticed that on herself & being schizophrenic, went on for hours asking people if she had been injured somehow & needed to go to the hospital. I don't think she'd ever really spent so much time outside until she was over 40, so she'd never tanned dark enough to see that before- but. Again, to our knowledge, we're a different group from the Melungeons, just with similar ancestry.
Damn it, I'd never seen Davis connected to Melungeons before. We have a Davis who must've popped out of a hole in the ground, because I was never able to track that family line.
It's entirely possible, that Mulungeon, as a term, was used by people breaking immoral laws of NC, whom were part African, and because they were surveyed, they then became a documented group. There were two groups. One group, was Appalachian area, and the other group was west of Greensboro, and down into SC. However, note, that the other 100 interracial clusters in the USA, would also be called the same if they had been in NC, and they would have also been surveyed (taking names). And by the way, My grandmother, was ranting in the 60's about family secrets. She also claimed to be american indian, but I believe she knew it was not true. And having seen her sisters, it makes more and more sense. But the racism my grandmother faced, was from her own family. They seemed to have a contempt for her lighter tone. I only saw her sisters once, and they seemed to come together for a burial, and then never got back together. I revisited graves, as an adult, to sorta reconnect with the memories.
From what I found it also means cursed, ship wrecked.
Danielle, I thought I was in this alone in the past. Having identity issues. When I took my DNA test, 82.1% tests southern European (Spain and Portugal). 9% indigenous American, 7.1% sub Saharan African. Don’t you think there are changes to be made in the census’s form to fill out by people like us? I’ve been asked, are you white or black? I’m just me. But have always thought that I don’t fit in any of the categories we know.
You sound like us, Americans with a very american (and pre american) family story!
@@nytn Thank you!
Mulengeon?
Just like Elvis and Elizabeth Taylor🤘
Yes the banjo is from African origin. As well as a lot of the early American songs are originally from African music that slave holders put lyrics to Of course they had to slow down the rhythm so that white people could dance to it
They are just tri-racial or multiracial. Almost identified like another race and culture of people
I read last year - I can't remember the exact site - the possibility that Abraham Lincoln may have Melungeon ancestors - I guess because Kentucky. Have you heard anything about this? It would be rather cool to have a famous man among your roots.
I did a video on him! People claimed he was "Black" (which is what I covered) but the more I read, I think Melungeon is more likely
Dwight d Eisenhower was melungeon too. Been doing this for years.
I heard shovel teeth was an indigenous thing.
It seems you are discovering the ingredients of the Great American melting pot. I am enjoying the content. No one should be ashamed of their heritage.
I never thought the term was derogatory. To me, it was just "a people." I didn't know much about the subject, I didn't equate it as negative. Huh.
Remember my request on Scandinavian immigration Danielle (Swedish, Norwegian, Danish). 👍
I have it noted! :)