The AoE2:DE ai is even more impressive once you dig into how it's scripted; the ai scripts are literally just thousands upon thousands of "if->then" rules which somehow piece together into a coherent and somewhat lifelike ai AND it's more or less just coded by a single guy, who started as a hobbyist.
Okay wow. I know enough about coding to know that that's thousands of hours of work. If that's all one person for the most part then that person is a genius.
@@RJALEXANDER777 I think it definitely is thousands of hours. There's been a handful of people doing it as a hobby basically since the games came out, and the specific person I think has been doing it for maybe 10 years with the new AI being based quite heavily on what they were doing before.
@@willdbeast1523The thought of keeping keep track of all those cases is making my head spin. Making sure the sequences work properly, making sure that the sequences actually result in a capable AI. Astonishing stuff.
Wait.. what? Hundreds of hours poured into Rome 2 and I never realized there was a feature where your army formatio automatically auto-locks onto the enemy army when you attack? I've always just individually clicked on one cohort to attack another!
@@Kvs-vf9nt To add on top of your reply, there's a button at the bottom (left side) which lets you place your locked group under the AI's command, and you could tell the AI to attack the enemy or defend ground of your choosing.
Living in the south for so long, I've lost a bit of the accent & learned how to speak "neutral American English," however when I get animated the New England definitely comes out lol. Edit: worth noting that when you work with the public in the South, you're seen as less trustworthy if you sound like a "Yankee," so losing the accent was something I consciously tried to do. As you can see in the comments section on this video, people go nuts when they hear the R's dropping lmao.
@@happycompy You live in the South? I am in SC but from PA. One of best friends is from Fall River, MA. Ya...sometimes my Philly accent comes out and Southerner just stare at me like in Deliverance. lol
It was never the sales of this that would dictate the chances of that happening. It was the sales performance of the mobile game. That was the only reason this is even a thing. If that sells well they'll probably make a medieval mobile, and then fuck it we've already got this in existence might aswell make some extra cash of it, stick a half arsed version on pc. And we can charge more than double the mobile price for it on pc cos why the fuck not
Well all that I was looking for was Rome 1 with updated graphics. I never expected AI or pathfinding to be reworked at all so I am not disappointed. I can't remember the last time I sunk so many hours into a total war game. I am loving this remaster. Plus, it wasn't too expensive. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have paid $50 or anything for it. For the price, I have no complaints.
The graphics options are a god send on laptops in summer, they could run really hot yet still be laggy (even after the DX8 shim is installed). I really don't need more than 30fps on a strategy game.
@@gromsword6984 no they aren't, pleantty of mods use the bi.exe and you can hear a lot of sounds when you zoom in, in the remaster you barely hear screams
Personally I just played a little bit of campaign for nostalgia but the main reason I bought it solely for the mods. Like the collaborative one coming out. I was a huge fan of Europa Barbarorum and im looking for a similar experience
I think it's great, but the modern total war games never really sucked me in. Empire is probably my fav, so that should qualify the utility of my opinion.
Im really surprised at the negative response to this game maybe its my play style like i don’t use group or the formation attack command but i have run into very few problems even in siege battles. The pathfinding will mess up a little but its nothing i havent been able to fix by giving my unit a second order and/or turning off skirmish. I am one of those people just never stopped playing medieval 2 and have a couple 1000 hours in it though so that might be it.
I hate the new one. TW UI has been complete garbage since Rome 2. And i am sure they will butcher Medieval 2's remaster in the same way by replacing the old UI. Why did they do this?! There was no reason whatsoever to change the UI, it was perfect. There were so many other things that could have been improved upon.
@@transsylvanian9100 Its not perfect. It does the job, its way bigger than it needs to be though. TW UI has never been great, just good enough (I personally think Shogun 2 did it best, minimal, aesthetic and gives you all the info you need and its out of the way at the same time). You are just used to the old UI. The new UI from an aesthethic point of view is very bad though, very centered for whatever reason. It looks like a 4:3 picture on a 16:9 screen.
Hey, Melkor :). Lots of people wrote off Rome 2 on release, which was even more broken (end turn times were excruciating), but it shaped up into a great game. Here's hoping Rome Remastered gets the dev time it needs to fix its issues and endure. Love your content btw!
I mean Rome 2 Total War is still very mediocre. Unfortunately they put even less effort into Rome Remastered than Rome 2, handing it off to some mobile game dev.
Agreed. Been playing since Shogun. The complaints have always been the same. While i could throw out a few myself, they aren't any that havent been said before. I've always appreciated CA's somewhat humorous take on history as well as their efforts to reach out to their curmudgeonly fan base.
Just like I have not touched Troy after downloading, I would give any total war title 12+ months to get their sh!t together via patches and then sink that 100 hours in
@@gorgefood9867 With content overload and game backlogs that I’m sure many people have, I would say just wait for the next steam holiday sale that will inevitably do the ubiquitous 50% discount if you must buy one lol
I’ll be honest I’ve been playing rome 2 for 1800 hours and I never knew you could do the locked formation attack, I would attack one by one in pause to get an organized attack like I did in Rome one, I get your points too but I still love the game
Wait how do you do that in 7:20 I never know you actually do that? As for the remastered, I mean yeah, it’s okay but personally I still find it to be a lot of fun to play, it’s scratching that itch I don’t get with some parts of the newer games but I really hope they do actually patch it up a bit
@@happycompy Dude I never knew you could do this and I've been playing TW games for so long!! I guess this doesn't matter to me now jaja, but still. How did I miss this..
Funny enough Rome remastered was my second total war game (first being Troy) and I absolutely loved the mechanics and how everything worked once I figured out how to add more soldiers to my army so I’d stop accidentally only sending my general to fight half the gaulic army lmao. Something about the older total war mechanics are way easier for me to wrap my head around than the newer game mechanics. For some reason it’s a struggle for me to understand Rome II’s mechanics, but Rome remaster’s are so accessible to me
First one of your videos I have seen, Nice Video! Good editing, good confident voiceover. I recently started making videos myself and can appreciate the effort. Great job!
Yeah I can't believe I got Charlie Brown'd by a Rome title a second time. I'm usually good about tempering expectations, but classical antiquity is my weakness lol.
Well I learned something new... about Rome II. I didn't know about the attack command feature where you didn't have to micromanage the units. I'm going back to Rome II.
Just an older Rome 1 and Medieval 2 player, what is so difficult about making the units group together, bring them to melee range and then order each of them to attack the unit in front of them? Seriously how much effort does it take? Clicking is too much now?? Same for the pathfinding and other "jank". If you learn the clicking rules and how to fit formations into cities, city battles go smoothly. It's a learn to play thing, though I would say that the extreme unit formations don't help (i think we should limit unit size to large at the max to avoid insane pathfinding problems.
7:35 Original rome had a thing were Groups would autoselect enemies to attack instead of actually attacking what you selected to attack. Im surprised anyone would like that. I think its still in the Remaster, you just have to enable the Formation/Group Lock AFAIK
Wait... the battlegroups do what? Oh well, thanks for teaching me something new to use in my ongoing Sparta Campaign for Rome 2. Man, that actually makes my life so much easier instead of manually selecting each unit to attack each manually selected target. Sheeeeeeeesh.
I know it's nitpicky, but one of the first things I noticed and still annoy me after 30 hours is that the cheer at the end of the generals speech is delayed a few seconds, it takes so much from the immersion when the General comes to the end of the speech, only to be followed by crickets chirping for 2 seconds to sink in with the army.
I have a lot of love for Rome 1, and there are some positives in the remastered version, but unfortunately, the gripes about the remaster, leave me with a tragically familiar disappointment that I've had with CA ever since the release of Rome 2. {Yes I know this was re-made by a different company) The UI is good, better in some ways than the original, but its a remaster and they should of left the old UI in it so we could choose what we wanted. I think the scrolls droping down the right hand side at the beginning of the turn was just beautiful, and if you chose not to read them and ended the turn, They were lost to the annuls of history...instead theres the annoying tri-fector. The towns and cities, (in the battles) but the towns in particular should of just been enlarged by atleast a third of the size of the original, (if this could of been done) which I believe, would of sorted most of the pathfinding problems you have in town battles. I have tested the orignal with the remastered version and I disagree that the tinkering they have done to AI is an improvement, in a lot of cases it isnt. I could go on with the lists of disappointments but whats the point, this is what I've come to expect from a CA game, disappointment. If they remaster medieval 2, what I would hope for is updated graphics, great sound, fix the bugs that were still in the game. thats it. Dont add your own mark to the game dont mess with the UI or even the AI if its not going to be a real improvement, and if you do, leave an option to let us, the players, to have the choice of using it or not. IMO it doesnt need an improvement, thats is why we want medieval 3. Just found your channel, have to say, really enjoying your content :)
Basically people who haven't played Rome 1 since they were 12 are playing it again and realising its a game from 2004 and feels like trash in battles. The nostalgia crew who continue to play it never did and don't care about the dodgy battles because they all play mods and just look at the pretty units and role play, which is fine but its not critical of the game. I almost feel like it would have been better recieved if they actually did less, and just made the original game fully optimised and compatible with modern systems with a few fixes and nothing else. But like all recent CA products this one tries to be two things at once, a remake and a remaster.
I agree with every single point you made about the campaign, the battles, the UI etc., but I totally disagree with your conclusions. Which is because I would weigh the points of criticism very differently. 1. This is easily the best Total War campaign experience since Medieval 2: Soldiers are not spellbound to generals, population is back, no building limitations, auto manage, taxation of individual cities, Rebel towns at the start of the game, territories can be traded etc. 2. Battles are not great, but also not bad, they are OK (for all the reasons you mentioned). You just have to get used to the old mechanics again and help the pathfinding a bit. In return, you get pre-Warscape battles that just look and feel so much better... And the AI is also OK. Apart from a few dropouts it flanks your phalanx, attacks from different directions if you try to block bottlenecks and a cavalry attack from behind and your army will be mercilessly routed. 3. The UI is not ideal, it needs getting used to, but after a few hours it is quite manageable. This game is a solid 85/100 in my book.
This video was a surprisingly much more balanced than what the title suggested. As an old school _Total War_ fan, I can understand where you're coming from. Given enough time with future updates and mods, _Rome Remastered_ can really rise up to the occasion. If _Empire_ and _Rome II_ can be salvaged, I'm confident this game will too.
Never played the original, I got to turn 70 as the Julii and gave up after getting bogged down in gaul trying to reform my armies after the marian reforms while Spain and Briton hit me from all sides. Also in that time the Scipii never expanded out of Sicily and the Brutii never got a foothold in Greece. I can only speculate how big Egypt, Carthage and Armenia got in this campaign..................
I got the Remaster, and I'm enjoying it a lot, but at the same time, I wish it could have been more. Rome Remastered actually makes me appreciate Rome 2 a lot more.
The question " will Rome Remastered dethrone Rome2? " is wrong, in my opinion :) They are two completely different games, and need to be played in completely different ways. TW games are quite more complex today, improved in almost every aspect than older ones. So, a player who discovered this series with Rome2 or Attila, probably will find RomeRem archaic and graphically obsolete, whereas one who has begun playing TW in those days and still plays it, will feels himself at home in RomeRem :) My favourites remain Rome 1 and Empire, the first two I played ages ago, but I appreciate modern TW games too. (I like also Medieval 1, to be honest ahah) The correct question is: "Why shall we choose between Rome 1 and Rome 2, when we can play both? " :) - One last note: I never, never noticed that we can give group attack order in TW, before watching this video... I've been using the individual order method like in Rome1 until now ahahah
I must agree with almost everything said in this video except one thing , Rome 2 siege battles are not bad, they are freaking epic, after hours and hours of playing and watching them I still dont have enough
I started the franchise with Medieval 2, so I didn't get any nostalgia from Rome 1 or remastered. I gotta thank you for the useful information in this video, keep it up 👍
I really want to enjoy this game, but for now i think I’m happier with Rome 2 DEI, although I should mention I’d rather play vanilla Rome 1 than vanilla Rome 2 for sure.
I’m really enjoying Rome Remastered but I hope for other titles like Medieval and Empire we get actual sequels instead of remasters. Some parts of the game just haven’t aged well and a remaster wouldn’t fix that. Still, I’d love it if Creative Assembly could take some of the features which hold up here (family trees, armies not tied to generals, more stuff to build in campaign) and combine them with the great battles we get in modern Total War titles. A synthesis of the things the old games did better and the stuff the newer games excel at.
Thats not true. The developers have limited ressources. A remake needs much more time, money and workers, thats the job of the publisher. The developers did a great job.
I have started Cartage campain. They were buffed quite a lot, and I thought that I can finally win with romans. And than U have pkayed 2 siege battle... qnd quited. I can not play with these sieges haha. That is kind of sad, because that was literarly the one thing that made me not love rome 1 as much as most people. And it is not fixed :(
@@happycompy It's designed in a way to make you feel nostalgic for Rome I, so hopefully its the perfect blend of old school with the new school for you.
@@FilipMoncrief Divide et Impera lags my game into 10 mintue turns, and I have huge frame drops in 40 v 40 army battles. Meanwhile I don't have the same problem with Attila.
I am so glad I'm subbed to you, this was the exact video I needed to not buy the game LOL, like really? the battles are the best part in total war and clunky battles alone are a deal breaker thanks for this super informative video
I strongly disagree with this, the battle system in rome1 is far superior to the mess it is in shogun2 ome2 onwards. You guys need to learn how to control units
I basically already had this experience when I tried to play the old games a few years ago. I grew up on Rome 1 and Medieval 2 but compared to the newer games they are terrible to play nowadays. On the other hand I'm replaying Napoleon right now and it still holds up.
Yeah. Gotta admit that whilst Rome 1 means a lot to me, it's been years since I played it unmodded. Rome 1 has a ton of character with a lot of features I wish were in more modern games, and I'll always love it but it is incredibly outdated. Which is a bit of a shame given how much of a pioneer Rome was originally, but time marches forward.
@@happycompy But realy bad unit balancing, even now. And the counter system is boring af. And dont let us talk about the campaign, its terrible. (nonsense economy and public order system for example)
Bro, I loved Rome Total War. I still have it. I don’t need to buy the remastered because it’s exactly the same game with some polishing. Rome 2 in it’s late form is hands down one of the greatest total war games ever made, thanks in no small part to it’s absolute chad community. I love my retro games but people need to wake up, this game is beyond dated. I had fun with it but to me, remastered will always be a well polished cash grab. Rome 2 is still king.
I enjoy the game for what it is and hope the devs give it some TLC in the battle AI department. I love the campaign AI as it's really challenging, especially on higher difficulties but after playing it for a dozen hours, it has reignited my love for Rome 2 after realizing, as you said, how much you take for granted.
This is kinda out of topic but i think what would be great for unit management would be "attack area" order for archers so they would shoot in the general selected area like a circle or something. It would help in sieges a lot in my opinion.
Oh man. I actually feel this review. I bought the game few days before lunch and still play attila today. I played rtw back in the days and bought on steam few years ago and had a good time with it (500 hours). When I heard of the remaster, I thought it would be rtw+good graphics, which it is. However, as I still play attila, I noticed that the game was lacking many many features (also the intros of some factions have been remade 🤢). I feel like the old engine is just not suited for the modern day total war games. If only they could give it better path finding and give it back its old UI (the new one is horrible in my opinion) then it would be fine but now it's just meh
@ HappyCompyTW Overall nice review, but I have to correct your statements regarding Three Kingdoms : 1) Population in 3K doesn't work like in Rome, in Rome, the population are actual people who pay taxes or get enlisted - if you don't have them you don't have a way to replenish/get new units/get more money. If you loot or exterminate a settlement for easy cash, don't be surprised if you don't have enough people to enlist in to your army in that village afterward. Everything else like buildings and what not is a modifier on that number - in 3K its exactly the opposite, meaning the population is the modifier and its the buildings which give you the income. Romes system is far better objectively because the features ties the battle and the campaign together, you play the battles so you can keep your units who aren't being able to be replenished everywhere alive and well or send them back to places where you have the population so you can keep you veteran powerful units. 2) Three kingdoms traits are triggered by random events, Rome's beauty was that the traits were a reflection of the life the character had, while not perfect that system worked far better than in most total war games by being both dynamic and player action based - Three Kingdom's traits are random, you can win a battle and exterminate a settlement and the next turn recieve with the character a pacifist trait. Even worse because of how powerful special characters are not getting them is just stupid and while for some people playing as famous characters sounds fun and exciting - for me and many others the beauty of the old Total War games was their sandbox nature - the fact you played with unknown characters which grew and developed with the player across the campaign made them unique and fun and memorable (especially thanks to the trait system), Three Kingdoms Troy and Warhammer killed that with Total War games. p.s. There is plenty to love with 3K, it just could have been much better if CA did really go back on some aspects which were great while still doing many of hte improvements the game has.
Good writeup, I should have mentioned that 3k's population was different than Rome's and Medieval 2's in its functionality. Still, its existence is a step in the right direction! That's a shame about the traits in 3K. Even Rome 2, Attila, and Warhammer have action-triggered traits.
@@happycompy It's hard for me to say they are on the right path when they already were on the right path almost 2 decades ago (god I am old) ... but here is for a bit of optimism. Anyway keep up the good work :)
Whenever he gets angry I'm reminded of James Rolfe in his early days. Also mods disable achievements. Like a simple mod that changes the loading screen disables it. I know it's minor but come on! If that's the case WHY PUT ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE!?
@@happycompy Another complaint I have is that units still take an eternity to train. No seriously, I know Automanage is a thing but jesus Christ. Rome 2 at LEAST allows you to train like multiple units per turn and you can have a fast defense ready. Here, 1 turn= 1 unit. It makes campaigning a fucking chore.
@@happycompy and then when they fix the problems, UI, AI and pathfinding do you think the game will have better ratings on steam and increase the chances for a med2 remastered?
This is why you never pre-order, even if everything seems to be going right. Besides the fact they remade this game for phones with bad ui and with not at least fixing the broken pathfinding i think locking the game to specific versions of windows 10 was also bad, not even anything to do with compatibility, they just locked it. Only saving grace is feral promised to keep supporting the game and hopefully that means they add more support for other os and they actually improve the ui and pathfinding because why not, the customers demand it.
I hate new agent sending panel because in the original I could send an agent with one click on the map while in Remaster I need at least FOUR clicks and a brainstorm to understand how does this sh*t work and so for EVERY SINGLE ASSASSIN
Ok, this one will get a dislike from me. Formation locking? Haven't used it in any total war games. Path finding in sieges sucks, tho, that much I can agree. But UI is not that bad, alerts being divided into your empire alerts and then world wide alerts is just logical. Wait for a few patches and modding scene, also campaign is already better than Rome 2 lol
The locked-group-formation-not-attacking-sensibly is weird, because in the original RTW, you can absolutely get your units in a group, give an attack order, and they'll choose sensible targets (instead of all attacking the one enemy unit you clicked). I haven't tried this myself in the remaster, but it's bizarre that it wouldn't be there.
@@happycompy i hope they will patch that and also the pathfinding and add old UI then the game will be worth, especially with mods coming. Do you agree?
@@MsSirAndy Yes, if the issues with the battles I outlined here in the video are fixed, then the game will be worth putting hours into imo. Also I just tested it and ROME 1 also does the same thing with units converging to the center ufortunately.
@@happycompy I double-checked myself just now - on RTW, grouped up 6 praetorian cav vs 7 Libyan spears and gave an attack order, where they did converge to the center. Figured I might be remembering behavior from a BI-based mod, so I tried again in vanilla (original) BI. Here, at first the units did converge, but on 2 later tests my grouped units actually chose different, kind of sensible targets. So it's not consistent, which is nice because at least we're both sort of right (:P) It does make me wonder if the feature is in the remaster as well, and we just haven't noticed because, well, it's not consistent.
So basically you are critizing the Rome I Remaster for not being so modern as a new Total Wars. But I think you're missing the point that it was supposed to be just remaster of original version, so I really dont understand why you expect CA to do any new features on a REMASTER of Rome I.
Just an older Rome 1 and Medieval 2 player, what is so difficult about making the units group together, bring them to melee range and then order each of them to attack the unit in front of them? Seriously how much effort does it take? Clicking is too much now?? Same for the pathfinding and other "jank". If you learn the clicking rules and how to fit formations into cities, city battles go smoothly. It's a learn to play thing, though I would say that the extreme unit formations don't help (i think we should limit unit size to large at the max to avoid insane pathfinding problems). Also the fact that units become entrenched in combat and don't respond immediately is a feature I wish the newer titles had. You have to anticipate how well the melee will go and moving troops feels weighty and decision making while in combat is so much rewarding. Playing as barabrians unit control becomes even more difficult since they are less disciplined and it is much easier for Romans and Greeks.
@@happycompy Its sad man. The most important aspect of any Total War game in my opinion are the battles. And they couldnt sell it for me with this remaster. Its honestly sad since now they have received alot of backlash and med 2 remaster seems farther away.
@@JuanRojas-xs9fc don't worry, rome 1 remaster will have comeback definitely with patches and future mods or even dlc's..... it will have the comeback and become a great game and sell well, and then we will got med2 remaster. The future is bright. Right?
Thanks buddy, you saved me $30 for the time being. I’ll wait till there’s a major steam sale and for the time being will try out a new faction campaign in TWR2.
younger generation of gamers complains about everything xD this is a masterpiece, one of the best total war games and Turn based strategy games of all times, every video game has flaws, but this one does more things right than other "modern" TW games which are kinda shity
I can give you a list of petty accomplishments on a resume but in the end what will stand out are the big things. Rome 1 has a lot of really good aspects but a lot of them are minor details like population and character traits. The game was great for its time but simply put many of the bigger things it just doesn't have. Rome 1 lacks world immersion which Attila and Rome 2 have with the faction diversity and realism (all are not great but Rome 1 egypt) It's Ai is bad, diplomacy is pathetic. I've watched a LegendTotalWar video where he made peace with the Sassanids in Empire Divided Rome 1 when his faction had 1 city left with 1 unit and being beseiged by 3 stacks of Sassanid armies. Even regarding the combat system itself the game is different (not worse) then all the newer ones apart from Med 2, but if you are going to enjoy the combat of the old games, Med 2 is vastly superior in that regard as the AI is much more functional and the units feel like they have a bit better weight to them. There is a reason Medieval 2 stood the test of time while base game Rome 1 did not
I've had full stack units break after losing 3 guys. A unit of hoplites broke after being charged head on by cavalry which usually gets stomped, but I lose a few guys, and my hoplites break. I was dumbfounded.
Yeah battle balancing is all over the place, BUT I don't hold it against the game too much because that type of thing is easily fixed with mods, whereas AI and pathfinding aren't.
@@happycompy yeah, it was just so astonishing to see that, after playing the shit out of the Greeks in the original and steamrolling everybody with them
I agree with everything except competing with the newer games. I want it to compare, but I don’t expect it to compare. I mean Rome 2, and 3 Kingdoms cost at least twice as much with ZERO DLC. For me, it was quadruple the price since I got it for $15 and it came with 2 DLC. And eventually Rome Remastered will go on sale and get even cheaper AND probably get a few updates to improve a few things...and the mods...let’s not forget the mods coming down the pipe.
Yeah, the price is definitely a +point for the Remaster. You definitely do get a lot for you money. Still, for newcomers, I'd recommend holding onto that $30 and waiting for a sale on one of the newer games which go down to $20 like once every 3-5 months. Btw ROME 2 and WH1 should not still cost $60, that's ridiculous.
@@happycompy you can find it for cheaper I’m sure, but Rome 2 Emperor Edition is $59.99 on Steam. Again, I realize there are sales and there are different sources to get games. I suppose I’m just saying price is a factor.
0:46 and 2:43 archer shot like machine gun 1:21 Cavalry is inside a chao battle and can not run but some troops still flying out to the air 1:26 It is more easier to walk through the wall 2:56 Make some squats in waiting time to battle 8:28 What the HELL is this? The social distancing formation ? 8:42 Building look nice. But they block the troop to move 8:52 but what the heck are these 11:43 formation uncontrolable This game is too much bugs.
Got it half off bc I owned the original, and while I'm having a good time, it definitely needs some improvements. Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes for the eventual M2TW remaster. I'm glad they gave it a shot, but wish they'd have taken some more time, especially with the pathfinding.
I don't have RTW Remastered, but Battle AI was always bad in RTW, exploited easily. Most especially in sieges, it gets silly as the AI struggles. The grouped formations thing? That's why for many years I was allergic to the idea of moving my army in one big mass because the games handled it poorly. RTW demanded more micromanagement of units. Even then there'd be some weird stuff, especially inside city walls. Also, I still vividly recall Vanilla RTW was fun but it got stale. What really saved RTW back in the day to me were the mods. RTW was where Total War got a vibrant modding community. For me the best at the time was "Rome Total Realism" and "Europa Barbarorum" mods.
As a die hard Rome II fan (as you can see in my pic :) I got into TW as a series a couple of years ago so never played Rome I. I was hoping it would be Rome I with Rome II graphics, mechanics, etc but with Rome 1 storyline and stuff. In general I love the Roman history so I agree with the review. Having never played the original and Rome II being my first ever TW game, this was disappointing for me but I can see how for those who played and loved the first this would be on their list. I also got it mostly to play the Alexander the Great stuff as I also love that time period. Still playing Rome 2…
Also I just found your channel and love your reviews. I have to say you have helped me pronounce some hard to say names/factions which just rolls of your tongue. You must be a history major or something!
no idea how you think rome 1 battles are worse then what we got now in rome 2 xD litterally every formation outside square is broken, and no half decent player is gonna use those ai groups any as well ai in tw is god awful you are better of just auto-resolving at that point
I think the developers made it very clear this was almost done entirely for modders. Seeing as this is the most moddable total war and it’s not even close. We’ll see where it stands in 6 months
*What the hell is this!? The social distancing formation!?*
Laughed my ass off on this one
🤣I stole that joke from someone in my chat during the stream.
That was really funny, and I agree. Why bother doing a remaster but then leave the fighting functions unchanged. What is the point of that?
@@siavashamin951 I think it was worth doing despite the terrible pathfinding and AI, simply because Rome 1 is basically unplayable on Windows 10.
I came down to write the same thing XD I was reeling
Social distance and Black Friday formations... O literally LOL so hard... Hahahaha
The AoE2:DE ai is even more impressive once you dig into how it's scripted; the ai scripts are literally just thousands upon thousands of "if->then" rules which somehow piece together into a coherent and somewhat lifelike ai AND it's more or less just coded by a single guy, who started as a hobbyist.
Holy shit...that is insane.
Okay wow. I know enough about coding to know that that's thousands of hours of work. If that's all one person for the most part then that person is a genius.
@@RJALEXANDER777 I think it definitely is thousands of hours. There's been a handful of people doing it as a hobby basically since the games came out, and the specific person I think has been doing it for maybe 10 years with the new AI being based quite heavily on what they were doing before.
@@willdbeast1523The thought of keeping keep track of all those cases is making my head spin. Making sure the sequences work properly, making sure that the sequences actually result in a capable AI. Astonishing stuff.
@@RJALEXANDER777 Yeah. My mind is blown.
Wait.. what? Hundreds of hours poured into Rome 2 and I never realized there was a feature where your army formatio automatically auto-locks onto the enemy army when you attack? I've always just individually clicked on one cohort to attack another!
Yes ctrl g makes a locked group and g just a group.
@@Kvs-vf9nt To add on top of your reply, there's a button at the bottom (left side) which lets you place your locked group under the AI's command, and you could tell the AI to attack the enemy or defend ground of your choosing.
@@amp8295 Ow yes that's true.👍
@@Kvs-vf9nt It is rather useless if you wanna pursue enemies, cause all it does is form up and sit there looking dumb.
@@amp8295 It's also true. I make a not locked group and micromanage my troups. Not that I have lots to do because the AI is not that smart...
Your accent gets so much stronger when you get pissed 😂
What is his accent?
@@tedarcher9120 idk sounds like Boston or New York accent.
I'm from New England, not Boston, though.
When he gets angry toward the end, suddenly he's 110% Bostonian, it's crazy
Living in the south for so long, I've lost a bit of the accent & learned how to speak "neutral American English," however when I get animated the New England definitely comes out lol.
Edit: worth noting that when you work with the public in the South, you're seen as less trustworthy if you sound like a "Yankee," so losing the accent was something I consciously tried to do. As you can see in the comments section on this video, people go nuts when they hear the R's dropping lmao.
@@happycompy lol i remember when i moved from the south to the north. I would tell customers at work "have a good day yall" and get dirty looks.
@@happycompy You live in the South? I am in SC but from PA. One of best friends is from Fall River, MA. Ya...sometimes my Philly accent comes out and Southerner just stare at me like in Deliverance. lol
@@VL1975 Hahahahaha this comment got me
@@BB-ce5ev Yuppppp. My northern friends cringe when I say "y'all" but it's so damn useful!
Do note that a medieval2 Remastered is never going to happen now because of the backlash.
I wouldn't say never, but it definitely dampens the chances I agree.
If it ia going to be more of the same then why would you want a remaster? especially if you ALREADY own a functioning old version on Steam
It was never the sales of this that would dictate the chances of that happening. It was the sales performance of the mobile game. That was the only reason this is even a thing. If that sells well they'll probably make a medieval mobile, and then fuck it we've already got this in existence might aswell make some extra cash of it, stick a half arsed version on pc. And we can charge more than double the mobile price for it on pc cos why the fuck not
@@gaaaaaaaaaaah1 mod support and better graphics. I do believe that rerome is superior to the original, but many disagree.
Med2 remaster will happen, rome 1 remaster might start to sell much better in future if they patch it and when we start to get good mods, rights?
Well all that I was looking for was Rome 1 with updated graphics. I never expected AI or pathfinding to be reworked at all so I am not disappointed. I can't remember the last time I sunk so many hours into a total war game. I am loving this remaster. Plus, it wasn't too expensive. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't have paid $50 or anything for it. For the price, I have no complaints.
That's awesome man. Glad to hear it.
Hell yea this game kicks ass
The graphics options are a god send on laptops in summer, they could run really hot yet still be laggy (even after the DX8 shim is installed). I really don't need more than 30fps on a strategy game.
It was reworked, it works way worse in the remastered, I have the original and I went and checked, pathfinding and unit AI is sooo much worse.
@@Ackalan The pathfinding in original Barbarian Invasion was worse than Rome 1, how do those two compare now?
That „Black friday“ Formations almost killed me by the way 🤣🤣🤣
The social distancing formation got me 😆
Finally someone mentioned the muffled battle sounds, i like the game but i hope it gets fixed
A fellow sound enjoyer.
They are also muffled in the original. (Babrien Invasion)
@@gromsword6984 no they aren't, pleantty of mods use the bi.exe and you can hear a lot of sounds when you zoom in, in the remaster you barely hear screams
average music fan vs average sound enjoyer
Personally I just played a little bit of campaign for nostalgia but the main reason I bought it solely for the mods. Like the collaborative one coming out. I was a huge fan of Europa Barbarorum and im looking for a similar experience
Mhmm. RTR looks great.
@@happycompy patches and mods can fix the game and a lot more things to it
Europe Barbarorum isn't going to be ported for Rome remastered
@@MarktheRude Yeah I know I said like EB
@wowalinbie AOE2 is even older yet made the game better in every way
This revieuw sums up my thoughts on this game very well, but i still am enjoying it, maybe becouse of nostalgia more than anything.
Thanks for watching :). I enjoyed the nostalgia as well but it wasn't enough to keep me there.
I think it's great, but the modern total war games never really sucked me in.
Empire is probably my fav, so that should qualify the utility of my opinion.
Im really surprised at the negative response to this game maybe its my play style like i don’t use group or the formation attack command but i have run into very few problems even in siege battles. The pathfinding will mess up a little but its nothing i havent been able to fix by giving my unit a second order and/or turning off skirmish. I am one of those people just never stopped playing medieval 2 and have a couple 1000 hours in it though so that might be it.
@@kurtshaw229 what matters is that you enjoy it man. I'm happy for you :)
At this point it is absolutely necessary for them give us an option for the old UI.
I hate the new one. TW UI has been complete garbage since Rome 2. And i am sure they will butcher Medieval 2's remaster in the same way by replacing the old UI.
Why did they do this?! There was no reason whatsoever to change the UI, it was perfect. There were so many other things that could have been improved upon.
@@transsylvanian9100 Its not perfect. It does the job, its way bigger than it needs to be though. TW UI has never been great, just good enough (I personally think Shogun 2 did it best, minimal, aesthetic and gives you all the info you need and its out of the way at the same time). You are just used to the old UI. The new UI from an aesthethic point of view is very bad though, very centered for whatever reason. It looks like a 4:3 picture on a 16:9 screen.
8:28 XD Loved that
I agree with the pathfinding, and with the UI for the most part. But, I think there's enough there for a "comeback story".
YES
Pink Pijamas where?
Hey, Melkor :). Lots of people wrote off Rome 2 on release, which was even more broken (end turn times were excruciating), but it shaped up into a great game. Here's hoping Rome Remastered gets the dev time it needs to fix its issues and endure. Love your content btw!
@@happycompy Rome 1 got wrote off on release and had a nightmare launch XD
I swear Rome is cursed. (Imperator Rome)
@@happycompy thx for the heart :D
That one moment people say that Rome total 2 was "shit" and that the rome remastered would be the comeback of the franchising but it wasnt :/
Rome 2 and Rome remastered are both trash imo, in tradition of TW games.
I mean Rome 2 Total War is still very mediocre. Unfortunately they put even less effort into Rome Remastered than Rome 2, handing it off to some mobile game dev.
'If you expect nothing else but Rome: Total War but prettier, it's worth your money.'
I started with shogun total war 1 when i was a 19 year old marine back in 2000. I still play mtw 2
Agreed. Been playing since Shogun. The complaints have always been the same. While i could throw out a few myself, they aren't any that havent been said before. I've always appreciated CA's somewhat humorous take on history as well as their efforts to reach out to their curmudgeonly fan base.
I never knew about the locked unit formation attack. I always thought Rome 2 had armies converge into blobs.
When u just spent £20 just so u can see the pink Pajama men: uhhh
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@@happycompy lol MELKOR is a total war legend
“If you expect Rome Total War, but prettier...”
I mean... that is what a remaster is supposed to be. It’s not a remake.
What else did they expect?
I don’t understand why people bitch when they what they want.
Just like I have not touched Troy after downloading, I would give any total war title 12+ months to get their sh!t together via patches and then sink that 100 hours in
Too true.
And if they don't, you just got scammed for your money.
@@gorgefood9867 With content overload and game backlogs that I’m sure many people have, I would say just wait for the next steam holiday sale that will inevitably do the ubiquitous 50% discount if you must buy one lol
Lol I like how the accent came out
From "standard American" to Bostonian in a fraction of a second lol.
I'm annoyed by the pathing being worse 20 years later lmao
Modern game dev studios - not only their gameplay is almost non existant, what little they promise isn't delivered
I’ll be honest I’ve been playing rome 2 for 1800 hours and I never knew you could do the locked formation attack, I would attack one by one in pause to get an organized attack like I did in Rome one,
I get your points too but I still love the game
Wait how do you do that in 7:20 I never know you actually do that?
As for the remastered, I mean yeah, it’s okay but personally I still find it to be a lot of fun to play, it’s scratching that itch I don’t get with some parts of the newer games but I really hope they do actually patch it up a bit
Just create a locked group (padlock symbol), and click attack on an enemy unit :)
@@happycompy Dude I never knew you could do this and I've been playing TW games for so long!! I guess this doesn't matter to me now jaja, but still. How did I miss this..
@@happycompy i played rome 1 in like 2005 and plenty of games since and i never knew this attack style was a thing lmao
@@MH-wx5ff once you start using it you can't go back, especially in giant battles!
@@happycompy I never use this, its to simple movement. And ranged units suck with this option, focusing one unit is so much better.
Funny enough Rome remastered was my second total war game (first being Troy) and I absolutely loved the mechanics and how everything worked once I figured out how to add more soldiers to my army so I’d stop accidentally only sending my general to fight half the gaulic army lmao. Something about the older total war mechanics are way easier for me to wrap my head around than the newer game mechanics. For some reason it’s a struggle for me to understand Rome II’s mechanics, but Rome remaster’s are so accessible to me
true the rome 2 mechanics are annoying to understand especially the city building stuff
First one of your videos I have seen, Nice Video! Good editing, good confident voiceover. I recently started making videos myself and can appreciate the effort. Great job!
Thank you! It means a lot and good luck on your channel!
Its 2021, if you still get hyped for games, you're just gonna get disappointed all the time, I was, so many times and now I just expect bad things...
Yeah I can't believe I got Charlie Brown'd by a Rome title a second time. I'm usually good about tempering expectations, but classical antiquity is my weakness lol.
rome remastered is good, it just need improvements and fixes with patches and good mods
Rome Remastered is for the OG fans. Young gamers who joined much later will of course struggle.
true, TW zoomers are not used to total war game that dosen't do 50 % of gaming for them,
@@michalkrasnodebski8709 so You consider bugging on streets in every siege "not doing gaming for the player"?
@@jdurthu4304 Only casuals and zoomers expect carebear things like "functional pathfinding."
@@happycompy probably that is the case haha
@@happycompy ah yes because in modern tw games pathfinding is so good.
That intro KILLED me LOL. I actually started clapping my guy!
hahahaha thanks man! Glad you liked it.
Well I learned something new... about Rome II. I didn't know about the attack command feature where you didn't have to micromanage the units. I'm going back to Rome II.
It's not just in ROME II either, it's in all of the games from at least Shogun 2-onward.
Just an older Rome 1 and Medieval 2 player, what is so difficult about making the units group together, bring them to melee range and then order each of them to attack the unit in front of them? Seriously how much effort does it take? Clicking is too much now?? Same for the pathfinding and other "jank". If you learn the clicking rules and how to fit formations into cities, city battles go smoothly. It's a learn to play thing, though I would say that the extreme unit formations don't help (i think we should limit unit size to large at the max to avoid insane pathfinding problems.
I learned that too today lol. Time to see how you do it
8:30
Hahaha the social distance and black friday, you should win an oscar award
Rome Remastered may be disappointing but you know what isn't? ATTILA!
Agreed...until you click the end turn button.😂
@@happycompy that’s why I always keep a copy of the Gallic wars by my laptop
@@rabbideadpool5190 LMAO
As much as I want to like Attila. It runs like shit. Poorly optimized
@@leemanjay7276 Facts
When you get angry you sound like mafia :D
The greatest things were the traits, nicknames, general speeches and crazy flying soldier glitches
Rome 2 infected Rome 1 remasted with the launch fail plague
Oof lmao.
7:35 Original rome had a thing were Groups would autoselect enemies to attack instead of actually attacking what you selected to attack. Im surprised anyone would like that. I think its still in the Remaster, you just have to enable the Formation/Group Lock AFAIK
Wait... the battlegroups do what? Oh well, thanks for teaching me something new to use in my ongoing Sparta Campaign for Rome 2. Man, that actually makes my life so much easier instead of manually selecting each unit to attack each manually selected target. Sheeeeeeeesh.
So glad it helped man! I can't live without it now (obviously, based on how much I ranted in the vid lol).
I never play this game,i just randomly found this channel and liked your style of review,that is all.
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed it!
i hope the remaster's comeback isnt 5 years late
Same!
I know it's nitpicky, but one of the first things I noticed and still annoy me after 30 hours is that the cheer at the end of the generals speech is delayed a few seconds, it takes so much from the immersion when the General comes to the end of the speech, only to be followed by crickets chirping for 2 seconds to sink in with the army.
True!! Was it always like that?
@@happycompy nah it used to follow up immediately. a shame they messed it up
I have a lot of love for Rome 1, and there are some positives in the remastered version, but unfortunately, the gripes about the remaster, leave me with a tragically familiar disappointment that I've had with CA ever since the release of Rome 2. {Yes I know this was re-made by a different company) The UI is good, better in some ways than the original, but its a remaster and they should of left the old UI in it so we could choose what we wanted. I think the scrolls droping down the right hand side at the beginning of the turn was just beautiful, and if you chose not to read them and ended the turn, They were lost to the annuls of history...instead theres the annoying tri-fector. The towns and cities, (in the battles) but the towns in particular should of just been enlarged by atleast a third of the size of the original, (if this could of been done) which I believe, would of sorted most of the pathfinding problems you have in town battles. I have tested the orignal with the remastered version and I disagree that the tinkering they have done to AI is an improvement, in a lot of cases it isnt. I could go on with the lists of disappointments but whats the point, this is what I've come to expect from a CA game, disappointment.
If they remaster medieval 2, what I would hope for is updated graphics, great sound, fix the bugs that were still in the game. thats it. Dont add your own mark to the game dont mess with the UI or even the AI if its not going to be a real improvement, and if you do, leave an option to let us, the players, to have the choice of using it or not. IMO it doesnt need an improvement, thats is why we want medieval 3.
Just found your channel, have to say, really enjoying your content :)
Basically people who haven't played Rome 1 since they were 12 are playing it again and realising its a game from 2004 and feels like trash in battles. The nostalgia crew who continue to play it never did and don't care about the dodgy battles because they all play mods and just look at the pretty units and role play, which is fine but its not critical of the game. I almost feel like it would have been better recieved if they actually did less, and just made the original game fully optimised and compatible with modern systems with a few fixes and nothing else. But like all recent CA products this one tries to be two things at once, a remake and a remaster.
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I agree with every single point you made about the campaign, the battles, the UI etc., but I totally disagree with your conclusions. Which is because I would weigh the points of criticism very differently.
1. This is easily the best Total War campaign experience since Medieval 2: Soldiers are not spellbound to generals, population is back, no building limitations, auto manage, taxation of individual cities, Rebel towns at the start of the game, territories can be traded etc.
2. Battles are not great, but also not bad, they are OK (for all the reasons you mentioned). You just have to get used to the old mechanics again and help the pathfinding a bit. In return, you get pre-Warscape battles that just look and feel so much better... And the AI is also OK. Apart from a few dropouts it flanks your phalanx, attacks from different directions if you try to block bottlenecks and a cavalry attack from behind and your army will be mercilessly routed.
3. The UI is not ideal, it needs getting used to, but after a few hours it is quite manageable.
This game is a solid 85/100 in my book.
Hey man, thanks for watching and for the detailed comment. Obviously I disagree, but it was interesting to see your take on it.
This video was a surprisingly much more balanced than what the title suggested. As an old school _Total War_ fan, I can understand where you're coming from.
Given enough time with future updates and mods, _Rome Remastered_ can really rise up to the occasion. If _Empire_ and _Rome II_ can be salvaged, I'm confident this game will too.
I'm right there with you hoping!
Nostalgia is a powerful feeling but it never lasts long
Never played the original, I got to turn 70 as the Julii and gave up after getting bogged down in gaul trying to reform my armies after the marian reforms while Spain and Briton hit me from all sides. Also in that time the Scipii never expanded out of Sicily and the Brutii never got a foothold in Greece. I can only speculate how big Egypt, Carthage and Armenia got in this campaign..................
That actually kinda sounds like an epic campaign not gonna lie.
I got the Remaster, and I'm enjoying it a lot, but at the same time, I wish it could have been more. Rome Remastered actually makes me appreciate Rome 2 a lot more.
I feel the exact same way. I enjoyed the campaign a lot, but I'm ready to go back to Rome 2 until patches come to Remastered.
The question " will Rome Remastered dethrone Rome2? " is wrong, in my opinion :)
They are two completely different games, and need to be played in completely different ways.
TW games are quite more complex today, improved in almost every aspect than older ones. So, a player who discovered this series with Rome2 or Attila, probably will find RomeRem archaic and graphically obsolete, whereas one who has begun playing TW in those days and still plays it, will feels himself at home in RomeRem :)
My favourites remain Rome 1 and Empire, the first two I played ages ago, but I appreciate modern TW games too. (I like also Medieval 1, to be honest ahah)
The correct question is: "Why shall we choose between Rome 1 and Rome 2, when we can play both? " :)
- One last note: I never, never noticed that we can give group attack order in TW, before watching this video... I've been using the individual order method like in Rome1 until now ahahah
I must agree with almost everything said in this video except one thing , Rome 2 siege battles are not bad, they are freaking epic, after hours and hours of playing and watching them I still dont have enough
I started the franchise with Medieval 2, so I didn't get any nostalgia from Rome 1 or remastered. I gotta thank you for the useful information in this video, keep it up 👍
I really want to enjoy this game, but for now i think I’m happier with Rome 2 DEI, although I should mention I’d rather play vanilla Rome 1 than vanilla Rome 2 for sure.
I’m really enjoying Rome Remastered but I hope for other titles like Medieval and Empire we get actual sequels instead of remasters. Some parts of the game just haven’t aged well and a remaster wouldn’t fix that.
Still, I’d love it if Creative Assembly could take some of the features which hold up here (family trees, armies not tied to generals, more stuff to build in campaign) and combine them with the great battles we get in modern Total War titles. A synthesis of the things the old games did better and the stuff the newer games excel at.
That's why reMASTER, was a red Flag to me. It's not a reMAKE. It could be, it depends on the developers. But it's just a rePAINT
Big oof.
Thats not true. The developers have limited ressources. A remake needs much more time, money and workers, thats the job of the publisher. The developers did a great job.
@@ruas4721 Yeah, they should have gotten so much more. It's sad that such an iconic game got so little time and love from CA.
I never used to think it was possible to screw up a remaster. Then this game and the old GTA remasters proved me wrong 😅
I have started Cartage campain. They were buffed quite a lot, and I thought that I can finally win with romans. And than U have pkayed 2 siege battle... qnd quited.
I can not play with these sieges haha. That is kind of sad, because that was literarly the one thing that made me not love rome 1 as much as most people. And it is not fixed :(
Yup. That and the janky formation controls did it in for me.
The real questions is, is it worth as a base game with new upcoming mods? or is it better to keep the original plus mods?
You should play the Ancient Empires Mod for Attila.
Yeah, I need to get around to trying that and 1212.
@@happycompy It's designed in a way to make you feel nostalgic for Rome I, so hopefully its the perfect blend of old school with the new school for you.
@@happycompy 1212 is great and really fun to play with but be careful of those knights, they kill everything in the early game xD
@@KTA1sVidsandFacts that sounds great. Is it better than Divide et Impera for Rome II? I don’t believe so
@@FilipMoncrief Divide et Impera lags my game into 10 mintue turns, and I have huge frame drops in 40 v 40 army battles. Meanwhile I don't have the same problem with Attila.
when I was a kid remember putting praetorian cohorts in a general and it acquired a title trait of praetorian prefect.
I am so glad I'm subbed to you, this was the exact video I needed to not buy the game LOL, like really? the battles are the best part in total war and clunky battles alone are a deal breaker
thanks for this super informative video
Thank you! Glad you found it helpful :)
I strongly disagree with this, the battle system in rome1 is far superior to the mess it is in shogun2
ome2 onwards. You guys need to learn how to control units
I basically already had this experience when I tried to play the old games a few years ago. I grew up on Rome 1 and Medieval 2 but compared to the newer games they are terrible to play nowadays. On the other hand I'm replaying Napoleon right now and it still holds up.
Nappy is a gem. HATE that it doesn't have Empire's scale though.
Are you alright dude? Rome and medieval 2 both aged like best wine
@@mortimer1992 more like med 2. Rome is very clunky and sad to say.. outdated. Squalor mechanic, public order, ai, diplomacy and pathfinding.
Yeah. Gotta admit that whilst Rome 1 means a lot to me, it's been years since I played it unmodded. Rome 1 has a ton of character with a lot of features I wish were in more modern games, and I'll always love it but it is incredibly outdated. Which is a bit of a shame given how much of a pioneer Rome was originally, but time marches forward.
@@RJALEXANDER777 the remaster gave to rome fresh air and improved it a lot
"Who likes losing winnable battles because I zoom in on my soldiers fighting on melee" *woah i didn't expected to be called out*
I knew I wasn't the only one 🤣
I bought it for the prettier graphics. That's it. It is still as janky as I remember it.
True Rome 1 enjoyer right here.
"battles are bad"
That's rich coming form someone who likes rome 2.
Rome 2 has better battle AI and better pathfinding, it is what it is.
@@happycompy But realy bad unit balancing, even now. And the counter system is boring af. And dont let us talk about the campaign, its terrible. (nonsense economy and public order system for example)
@@happycompy But the unit collision in rome 2 sucks. You can not do a lot of things in Rome 2 that are possible in MTW 2 and RTW 1.
Bro, I loved Rome Total War. I still have it. I don’t need to buy the remastered because it’s exactly the same game with some polishing. Rome 2 in it’s late form is hands down one of the greatest total war games ever made, thanks in no small part to it’s absolute chad community. I love my retro games but people need to wake up, this game is beyond dated. I had fun with it but to me, remastered will always be a well polished cash grab. Rome 2 is still king.
Rome 2 is still one of the worst titles, only ToB is even more shitty.
@@ruas4721 Modded Rome 2 is the best TW game. End of story.
@@patrickshelley09 Moded Rome 2 is still worse than Empire = worse than every other main Total War
@@ruas4721 I'm sorry. I don't debate the mentally impaired. Have a great day.
@@patrickshelley09 so you dont do it with yourself, thats great
Social distancing formation got me good.
I enjoy the game for what it is and hope the devs give it some TLC in the battle AI department. I love the campaign AI as it's really challenging, especially on higher difficulties but after playing it for a dozen hours, it has reignited my love for Rome 2 after realizing, as you said, how much you take for granted.
Yeah, the campaign was really enjoyable for me! A shame about the battles.
I'm not sure they can improve the AI, or feel like they need to bother.
This is kinda out of topic but i think what would be great for unit management would be "attack area" order for archers so they would shoot in the general selected area like a circle or something. It would help in sieges a lot in my opinion.
That sounds awesome
Oh man. I actually feel this review. I bought the game few days before lunch and still play attila today. I played rtw back in the days and bought on steam few years ago and had a good time with it (500 hours). When I heard of the remaster, I thought it would be rtw+good graphics, which it is. However, as I still play attila, I noticed that the game was lacking many many features (also the intros of some factions have been remade 🤢). I feel like the old engine is just not suited for the modern day total war games. If only they could give it better path finding and give it back its old UI (the new one is horrible in my opinion) then it would be fine but now it's just meh
Also, sometimes you give an unit an order but it doesn't do it (hence why I had to restart the siege of Sparta 3 times before I could win )
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HappyCompyTW Overall nice review, but I have to correct your statements regarding Three Kingdoms :
1) Population in 3K doesn't work like in Rome, in Rome, the population are actual people who pay taxes or get enlisted - if you don't have them you don't have a way to replenish/get new units/get more money. If you loot or exterminate a settlement for easy cash, don't be surprised if you don't have enough people to enlist in to your army in that village afterward. Everything else like buildings and what not is a modifier on that number - in 3K its exactly the opposite, meaning the population is the modifier and its the buildings which give you the income. Romes system is far better objectively because the features ties the battle and the campaign together, you play the battles so you can keep your units who aren't being able to be replenished everywhere alive and well or send them back to places where you have the population so you can keep you veteran powerful units.
2) Three kingdoms traits are triggered by random events, Rome's beauty was that the traits were a reflection of the life the character had, while not perfect that system worked far better than in most total war games by being both dynamic and player action based - Three Kingdom's traits are random, you can win a battle and exterminate a settlement and the next turn recieve with the character a pacifist trait. Even worse because of how powerful special characters are not getting them is just stupid and while for some people playing as famous characters sounds fun and exciting - for me and many others the beauty of the old Total War games was their sandbox nature - the fact you played with unknown characters which grew and developed with the player across the campaign made them unique and fun and memorable (especially thanks to the trait system), Three Kingdoms Troy and Warhammer killed that with Total War games.
p.s. There is plenty to love with 3K, it just could have been much better if CA did really go back on some aspects which were great while still doing many of hte improvements the game has.
Good writeup, I should have mentioned that 3k's population was different than Rome's and Medieval 2's in its functionality. Still, its existence is a step in the right direction! That's a shame about the traits in 3K. Even Rome 2, Attila, and Warhammer have action-triggered traits.
@@happycompy It's hard for me to say they are on the right path when they already were on the right path almost 2 decades ago (god I am old) ... but here is for a bit of optimism.
Anyway keep up the good work :)
Thank you!
*insert look of superiority for predicting that it was overhyped
Hahahaha go ahead and gloat. I would too if I were in your shoes.
Whenever he gets angry I'm reminded of James Rolfe in his early days.
Also mods disable achievements. Like a simple mod that changes the loading screen disables it. I know it's minor but come on! If that's the case WHY PUT ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE GAME IN THE FIRST PLACE!?
Damn. I think it must be the first game in the series that does that.
@@happycompy Another complaint I have is that units still take an eternity to train. No seriously, I know Automanage is a thing but jesus Christ. Rome 2 at LEAST allows you to train like multiple units per turn and you can have a fast defense ready. Here, 1 turn= 1 unit. It makes campaigning a fucking chore.
they fix pathfinding some issues with AI and is a whole different game, CA doesn't care... they did not even make the remaster themselves
Yeah, I'd go back to it if they overhauled the pathfinding.
@@happycompy and then when they fix the problems, UI, AI and pathfinding do you think the game will have better ratings on steam and increase the chances for a med2 remastered?
Nice little channel you have here, you just got a new suscriber lad
Much appreciated! I'm glad you're enjoying it :)
This is why you never pre-order, even if everything seems to be going right. Besides the fact they remade this game for phones with bad ui and with not at least fixing the broken pathfinding i think locking the game to specific versions of windows 10 was also bad, not even anything to do with compatibility, they just locked it. Only saving grace is feral promised to keep supporting the game and hopefully that means they add more support for other os and they actually improve the ui and pathfinding because why not, the customers demand it.
Yup. I fucked up by pre-ordering. Ready for this? This is the first TW game I've pre-ordered since Rome 2 LMAO. RIP.
I hate new agent sending panel because in the original I could send an agent with one click on the map while in Remaster I need at least FOUR clicks and a brainstorm to understand how does this sh*t work and so for EVERY SINGLE ASSASSIN
LMAO your comment made me laugh.
Ok, this one will get a dislike from me. Formation locking? Haven't used it in any total war games. Path finding in sieges sucks, tho, that much I can agree. But UI is not that bad, alerts being divided into your empire alerts and then world wide alerts is just logical. Wait for a few patches and modding scene, also campaign is already better than Rome 2 lol
You're missing out on that formation locking feature! It's really great when playing 40 v 40 battles!
The locked-group-formation-not-attacking-sensibly is weird, because in the original RTW, you can absolutely get your units in a group, give an attack order, and they'll choose sensible targets (instead of all attacking the one enemy unit you clicked).
I haven't tried this myself in the remaster, but it's bizarre that it wouldn't be there.
You know what, I'm going to install the original and try that right now.
@@happycompy i hope they will patch that and also the pathfinding and add old UI then the game will be worth, especially with mods coming. Do you agree?
@@MsSirAndy Yes, if the issues with the battles I outlined here in the video are fixed, then the game will be worth putting hours into imo. Also I just tested it and ROME 1 also does the same thing with units converging to the center ufortunately.
@@happycompy I double-checked myself just now - on RTW, grouped up 6 praetorian cav vs 7 Libyan spears and gave an attack order, where they did converge to the center.
Figured I might be remembering behavior from a BI-based mod, so I tried again in vanilla (original) BI. Here, at first the units did converge, but on 2 later tests my grouped units actually chose different, kind of sensible targets.
So it's not consistent, which is nice because at least we're both sort of right (:P) It does make me wonder if the feature is in the remaster as well, and we just haven't noticed because, well, it's not consistent.
So basically you are critizing the Rome I Remaster for not being so modern as a new Total Wars. But I think you're missing the point that it was supposed to be just remaster of original version, so I really dont understand why you expect CA to do any new features on a REMASTER of Rome I.
He didn't like this one.
Just an older Rome 1 and Medieval 2 player, what is so difficult about making the units group together, bring them to melee range and then order each of them to attack the unit in front of them? Seriously how much effort does it take? Clicking is too much now?? Same for the pathfinding and other "jank". If you learn the clicking rules and how to fit formations into cities, city battles go smoothly. It's a learn to play thing, though I would say that the extreme unit formations don't help (i think we should limit unit size to large at the max to avoid insane pathfinding problems). Also the fact that units become entrenched in combat and don't respond immediately is a feature I wish the newer titles had. You have to anticipate how well the melee will go and moving troops feels weighty and decision making while in combat is so much rewarding. Playing as barabrians unit control becomes even more difficult since they are less disciplined and it is much easier for Romans and Greeks.
"black friday formation" hahahaha
Keep the work up man, I only just found your channel and it's dope as bro!
My PTSD intensities every time I see a Rome 1 battle.
Yup!
@@happycompy Its sad man. The most important aspect of any Total War game in my opinion are the battles. And they couldnt sell it for me with this remaster. Its honestly sad since now they have received alot of backlash and med 2 remaster seems farther away.
@@JuanRojas-xs9fc don't worry, rome 1 remaster will have comeback definitely with patches and future mods or even dlc's..... it will have the comeback and become a great game and sell well, and then we will got med2 remaster. The future is bright. Right?
7:55 **Nervously looks around because my main strategy is just Zerg rushing the best melee units into a of the enemy**
Hey if it works, it works.
That accent came out!
Thanks buddy, you saved me $30 for the time being. I’ll wait till there’s a major steam sale and for the time being will try out a new faction campaign in TWR2.
younger generation of gamers complains about everything xD this is a masterpiece, one of the best total war games and Turn based strategy games of all times, every video game has flaws, but this one does more things right than other "modern" TW games which are kinda shity
I can give you a list of petty accomplishments on a resume but in the end what will stand out are the big things.
Rome 1 has a lot of really good aspects but a lot of them are minor details like population and character traits. The game was great for its time but simply put many of the bigger things it just doesn't have. Rome 1 lacks world immersion which Attila and Rome 2 have with the faction diversity and realism (all are not great but Rome 1 egypt) It's Ai is bad, diplomacy is pathetic. I've watched a LegendTotalWar video where he made peace with the Sassanids in Empire Divided Rome 1 when his faction had 1 city left with 1 unit and being beseiged by 3 stacks of Sassanid armies.
Even regarding the combat system itself the game is different (not worse) then all the newer ones apart from Med 2, but if you are going to enjoy the combat of the old games, Med 2 is vastly superior in that regard as the AI is much more functional and the units feel like they have a bit better weight to them. There is a reason Medieval 2 stood the test of time while base game Rome 1 did not
I've had full stack units break after losing 3 guys. A unit of hoplites broke after being charged head on by cavalry which usually gets stomped, but I lose a few guys, and my hoplites break. I was dumbfounded.
Yeah battle balancing is all over the place, BUT I don't hold it against the game too much because that type of thing is easily fixed with mods, whereas AI and pathfinding aren't.
@@happycompy yeah, it was just so astonishing to see that, after playing the shit out of the Greeks in the original and steamrolling everybody with them
I agree with everything except competing with the newer games.
I want it to compare, but I don’t expect it to compare. I mean Rome 2, and 3 Kingdoms cost at least twice as much with ZERO DLC. For me, it was quadruple the price since I got it for $15 and it came with 2 DLC.
And eventually Rome Remastered will go on sale and get even cheaper AND probably get a few updates to improve a few things...and the mods...let’s not forget the mods coming down the pipe.
Yeah, the price is definitely a +point for the Remaster. You definitely do get a lot for you money. Still, for newcomers, I'd recommend holding onto that $30 and waiting for a sale on one of the newer games which go down to $20 like once every 3-5 months. Btw ROME 2 and WH1 should not still cost $60, that's ridiculous.
@@happycompy you can find it for cheaper I’m sure, but Rome 2 Emperor Edition is $59.99 on Steam. Again, I realize there are sales and there are different sources to get games.
I suppose I’m just saying price is a factor.
I hope that they’ll release new factions and units and maybe revamp Egypt. Perhaps making this as an optional setting would work?
0:46 and 2:43 archer shot like machine gun
1:21 Cavalry is inside a chao battle and can not run but some troops still flying out to the air
1:26 It is more easier to walk through the wall
2:56 Make some squats in waiting time to battle
8:28 What the HELL is this? The social distancing formation ?
8:42 Building look nice. But they block the troop to move
8:52 but what the heck are these
11:43 formation uncontrolable
This game is too much bugs.
Got it half off bc I owned the original, and while I'm having a good time, it definitely needs some improvements.
Hopefully they'll learn from their mistakes for the eventual M2TW remaster. I'm glad they gave it a shot, but wish they'd have taken some more time, especially with the pathfinding.
Thanks, for confirming my hesitancy to shell out full price for the re-master. I'll wait for the sale now.
How do I do the battle line thing for Rome 2? When I put them in a group and send them forward they don’t choose targets
I don't have RTW Remastered, but Battle AI was always bad in RTW, exploited easily. Most especially in sieges, it gets silly as the AI struggles. The grouped formations thing? That's why for many years I was allergic to the idea of moving my army in one big mass because the games handled it poorly. RTW demanded more micromanagement of units. Even then there'd be some weird stuff, especially inside city walls.
Also, I still vividly recall Vanilla RTW was fun but it got stale. What really saved RTW back in the day to me were the mods. RTW was where Total War got a vibrant modding community. For me the best at the time was "Rome Total Realism" and "Europa Barbarorum" mods.
As a die hard Rome II fan (as you can see in my pic :) I got into TW as a series a couple of years ago so never played Rome I. I was hoping it would be Rome I with Rome II graphics, mechanics, etc but with Rome 1 storyline and stuff. In general I love the Roman history so I agree with the review. Having never played the original and Rome II being my first ever TW game, this was disappointing for me but I can see how for those who played and loved the first this would be on their list. I also got it mostly to play the Alexander the Great stuff as I also love that time period. Still playing Rome 2…
Also I just found your channel and love your reviews. I have to say you have helped me pronounce some hard to say names/factions which just rolls of your tongue. You must be a history major or something!
Thank you! I'm glad you like the channel :) I'm not a history major and I'm not sure that I'm pronouncing everything correctly so keep that in mind!!
no idea how you think rome 1 battles are worse then what we got now in rome 2 xD litterally every formation outside square is broken, and no half decent player is gonna use those ai groups any as well ai in tw is god awful you are better of just auto-resolving at that point
If I can't win a siege battle with autoresolve, the campaign is over
I think the developers made it very clear this was almost done entirely for modders. Seeing as this is the most moddable total war and it’s not even close. We’ll see where it stands in 6 months
If they fix it with mods and patches then med2 remastered will be possible?