i had sherco 2019 se250 with 9mm clutch master and i didn't had any problems ! The pull was easy and then for testing i cut about 1cm from two springs in clutch basket and it got more soft. But its more soft than stock ktm with 10mm clutch.
My 17 Beta 300rr with Rekluse never really had an issue with the pull. My 21 Beta 300rr had a much harder pull on the clutch, got major arm pump on the first couple of rides. Tried the Midwest lever, it helped but the engagement point was way out there and not comfortable for me. Picked up a Clake One and problem solved. As mentioned you have to be patient on the setup / bleeding, but once dialed it's money. Very light clutch pull and has a nice hooked lever where you finger can sit. You can also adjust the lever for how far out / in that it sits. The only issue with the Clake it that I had to space out my handguard on the clutch side to accommodate the clutch lever / cylinder.
Yes my 21 300rr had a hard clutch pull although I am not sure I ever realized how much of a problem it was for me in creating some bad habits. The Clake is a fascinating solution that one day I am sure I will buy for a bike. For now this three KTM spring solution seems pretty darn good. Next time I am next to another KTM bike I will do some tests to see if mine is as light as theirs is now.
I took 2 opposing springs out of mine. 2022 SE factory. I can ride for hours using just one finger, haven’t noticed any slippage. I’m probably around 180-185lbs geared up. Also using stock lever as I didn’t like the idea of lengthening the throw with the mechanical advantage levers like Midwest.
Yah seems a pretty common option. I had the KTM springs ordered already so I figured I would try that. Makes me wonder how the two options compare of if it’s a wash. Define lengthening the throw?
I'm at 70hrs on my 2021 and the clutch is stock. It operates with one finger all day in technical riding, I'd be worried about linings slipping under power with less clamping force. Nice trails by the way.
@@thesmoness Being a mechanic for the last 30yrs probably helps, however, the Sherco is not heavy. Not if you have ever ridden a bike with a cable clutch from the 80s or 90s. Every bike with a hydraulic clutch is pretty light. 🙂
I ended up with a Clake and retro fitted my own 2- finger lever that bolts to the end. It's ridiculous how light it is. The Clake is a bit fiddly to get it adjusted right but ...a keeper. One cool thing about the Clake is it is at full pull with 1/2 inch space behind the lever which leaves room for my fingers.
yah the clake looks pretty sweet but have never used one before. The 3 KTM clutch springs is pretty sweet. I may try going to 4 or even 6 KTM springs to give it a shot see if its an improvement and doesn't slip.
Recently put the midwest lever on my SEF300. Ive had them on my last 2 bikes. Im a big fan of them and they've become standard equipment for me. I will slide the while perch in so I can just grab w my index finger as well. As far as clutch pull goes, I didnt feel a big difference between my ktm and Sherco to be honest. I just like the feel and adjustability of the midwest levers. Thanks for the video SmoMoto.
So I did your clutch mod with only two ktm springs and an adjustment to stock clutch. Have too say way better. Btw I was trying to find your "Bird watching " ride video. Can't seem to find it. Just wanted to know where that is. Looks like a fun ride to do. Thanks.
Interesting I was considering going to 4 springs to see if it’s even better but you with two already see the difference that’s great - yah bird watching vid is Eagle Mountain
@@thesmoness yeah I'm on a few Sherco forums and guys are using either 2 springs or taking two out. One guy mentioned he put 3 in and that was too much, then the clutch started to slip. Thanks for letting me know where that's at. I'll have too look it up.
I ran I midwest on my 17 xcw and for about 20hrs on my 21 sherco 300. Definitely makes the pull easier, but at the sacrifice of precision on the clutch release. Midwest is good for lugging, but sloppy.
@@mooreonmedia8662 your gonna need to check out my clutch pull sometime soon. I couldn’t go back now, I just use the clutch so much more now. But yes @pnwenduro feels stock is fine as well /shrug
That lever is designed to engage right off the handle bar not as far out as you have it. It WILL slip when that bike gets hot trust me I have ran those levers for 3 years on my Ktm 300 which I made work alright but the Sherco clutch is not as good as the KTM. I switched to a 21 Sherco 300 this year and I couldn’t make it work properly. To get it to not slip and have the engagement point all over the map when it’s hot it needs to engage right off the handle bar but then when the bike cools down it shifts like shit and is hard to get in neutral. I have tried every adjustment trust me there is just no happy medium. It’s not worth the hassle u will be tinkering with that’s thing all the time as the clutch wears. Call Steve at Mid West and ask him some questions I had a long conversation with him a cpl years ago he’s a pretty knowledgeable guy. I took mine off and replaced with 3 ktm springs and put on a pro taper lever…. Done no more fucking around anymore
Well thanks Mate. As you saw in the video I already have the three KTM springs in the clutch. I suppose if I went away from the ME lever I would just put the stock one back on. I would have still accomplished making the pull softer. One guy in the comments here claimed he went all 6 KTM springs with good results, that was surprising to hear.
@@thesmoness ya not sure about all 6 springs either but it’s possible. Depends on how hard your riding I guess. I cut my lever down and machined a hook and groove in the end so I could use one finger it works pretty good. That’s the only reason I liked the MTN ENG lever
Dude today’s bikes clutches are a breeze. One finger pull . In the 70s I had a Maico 440 two stroke and that was a hard clutch to pull . Eat some spinach dude.
No doubt they would. I know others that feel it’s fine as well. But I guess when I felt my buddies KTM and it was literally half, why wouldn’t I want that? Or if I can lighten it then why not? Idk I feel good about, likely going to do the exact same thing on my 300 SEF
Would you still recommend midwest? I have this problem when i am in gear, with clutch pressed in, the bike stalls. It doesnt stall if i keep on throttle.
Yes 9mm. I took to the lever fairly quickly maybe a ride or two. Wasn’t until I got on a bike with a stock lever again where I realize just how much more throw the Midwest has. I know several riders that hate the extra throw but I feel that I like it.
Haha when I am ready to take the ribbing for getting one maybe I will. Well I don't think I ever would on the 2T but no doubt the SEF would be pretty cool with one.
Yea. For sure. If you are at competition level I don't think you would want one. :) But for me (in lower speed enduro conditions) it relay helps not getting tired as easy and losing clutch control and concentration that way.
i had sherco 2019 se250 with 9mm clutch master and i didn't had any problems ! The pull was easy and then for testing i cut about 1cm from two springs in clutch basket and it got more soft. But its more soft than stock ktm with 10mm clutch.
My 17 Beta 300rr with Rekluse never really had an issue with the pull. My 21 Beta 300rr had a much harder pull on the clutch, got major arm pump on the first couple of rides. Tried the Midwest lever, it helped but the engagement point was way out there and not comfortable for me. Picked up a Clake One and problem solved. As mentioned you have to be patient on the setup / bleeding, but once dialed it's money. Very light clutch pull and has a nice hooked lever where you finger can sit. You can also adjust the lever for how far out / in that it sits. The only issue with the Clake it that I had to space out my handguard on the clutch side to accommodate the clutch lever / cylinder.
Yes my 21 300rr had a hard clutch pull although I am not sure I ever realized how much of a problem it was for me in creating some bad habits. The Clake is a fascinating solution that one day I am sure I will buy for a bike. For now this three KTM spring solution seems pretty darn good. Next time I am next to another KTM bike I will do some tests to see if mine is as light as theirs is now.
I LUV my Midwest Mountain Engineering lever. It is awesome and since I came across them I plan to use them on all bikes going forward.
I took 2 opposing springs out of mine. 2022 SE factory. I can ride for hours using just one finger, haven’t noticed any slippage. I’m probably around 180-185lbs geared up. Also using stock lever as I didn’t like the idea of lengthening the throw with the mechanical advantage levers like Midwest.
Yah seems a pretty common option. I had the KTM springs ordered already so I figured I would try that. Makes me wonder how the two options compare of if it’s a wash. Define lengthening the throw?
Clutch requires more movement of the lever to fully engage disengage.
@@gwagenadventure727 hmm I like a wide zone of modulation
I did the same to my SE-R 250 and it helped alot.
I'm at 70hrs on my 2021 and the clutch is stock.
It operates with one finger all day in technical riding, I'd be worried about linings slipping under power with less clamping force.
Nice trails by the way.
dang you must have strong fingers mate - but if it works for you then that's all that matters
@@thesmoness
Being a mechanic for the last 30yrs probably helps, however, the Sherco is not heavy.
Not if you have ever ridden a bike with a cable clutch from the 80s or 90s.
Every bike with a hydraulic clutch is pretty light. 🙂
I ended up with a Clake and retro fitted my own 2- finger lever that bolts to the end.
It's ridiculous how light it is.
The Clake is a bit fiddly to get it adjusted right but ...a keeper.
One cool thing about the Clake is it is at full pull with 1/2 inch space behind the lever which leaves room for my fingers.
yah the clake looks pretty sweet but have never used one before. The 3 KTM clutch springs is pretty sweet. I may try going to 4 or even 6 KTM springs to give it a shot see if its an improvement and doesn't slip.
Recently put the midwest lever on my SEF300. Ive had them on my last 2 bikes. Im a big fan of them and they've become standard equipment for me. I will slide the while perch in so I can just grab w my index finger as well. As far as clutch pull goes, I didnt feel a big difference between my ktm and Sherco to be honest. I just like the feel and adjustability of the midwest levers. Thanks for the video SmoMoto.
I ordered one for my SEF as well and I think I will do the exact same clutch mod there as well so I have consistency between the bikes.
Got the same LEVER for my 2021 Husqvarna TE300i and I love it!
Nice! yah I think I like it as well. Going to do the exact mod on my 4 stroke
great video i wish i could try one of those 2stroke trail bikes for a whole day
So I did your clutch mod with only two ktm springs and an adjustment to stock clutch. Have too say way better. Btw I was trying to find your "Bird watching " ride video. Can't seem to find it. Just wanted to know where that is. Looks like a fun ride to do. Thanks.
Interesting I was considering going to 4 springs to see if it’s even better but you with two already see the difference that’s great - yah bird watching vid is Eagle Mountain
@@thesmoness yeah I'm on a few Sherco forums and guys are using either 2 springs or taking two out. One guy mentioned he put 3 in and that was too much, then the clutch started to slip. Thanks for letting me know where that's at. I'll have too look it up.
I ran I midwest on my 17 xcw and for about 20hrs on my 21 sherco 300. Definitely makes the pull easier, but at the sacrifice of precision on the clutch release. Midwest is good for lugging, but sloppy.
Interesting - do you run full stock mate or side you still do the spring swap?
@@thesmoness I run stock springs in the clutch.
@@mooreonmedia8662 your gonna need to check out my clutch pull sometime soon. I couldn’t go back now, I just use the clutch so much more now. But yes @pnwenduro feels stock is fine as well /shrug
That lever is designed to engage right off the handle bar not as far out as you have it. It WILL slip when that bike gets hot trust me I have ran those levers for 3 years on my Ktm 300 which I made work alright but the Sherco clutch is not as good as the KTM. I switched to a 21 Sherco 300 this year and I couldn’t make it work properly. To get it to not slip and have the engagement point all over the map when it’s hot it needs to engage right off the handle bar but then when the bike cools down it shifts like shit and is hard to get in neutral. I have tried every adjustment trust me there is just no happy medium. It’s not worth the hassle u will be tinkering with that’s thing all the time as the clutch wears. Call Steve at Mid West and ask him some questions I had a long conversation with him a cpl years ago he’s a pretty knowledgeable guy. I took mine off and replaced with 3 ktm springs and put on a pro taper lever…. Done no more fucking around anymore
Well thanks Mate. As you saw in the video I already have the three KTM springs in the clutch. I suppose if I went away from the ME lever I would just put the stock one back on. I would have still accomplished making the pull softer. One guy in the comments here claimed he went all 6 KTM springs with good results, that was surprising to hear.
@@thesmoness ya not sure about all 6 springs either but it’s possible. Depends on how hard your riding I guess. I cut my lever down and machined a hook and groove in the end so I could use one finger it works pretty good. That’s the only reason I liked the MTN ENG lever
KTM has a much longer working clutch lever throw
Dude today’s bikes clutches are a breeze. One finger pull . In the 70s I had a Maico 440 two stroke and that was a hard clutch to pull . Eat some spinach dude.
I love my 2022 Sherco 300se I think the clutch is fine only complaint is foot pegs are alittle different
The bike is awesome!
try ktm clutch for comparing
Man the clutch isn't that hard! I run a Midwest lever also and the clutch is light. Maybe a few arm curls will help you out 🤣
No doubt they would. I know others that feel it’s fine as well. But I guess when I felt my buddies KTM and it was literally half, why wouldn’t I want that? Or if I can lighten it then why not? Idk I feel good about, likely going to do the exact same thing on my 300 SEF
@@thesmoness and when your racing 8hrs in Hare n Hound it makes a HUGE difference.
midwest + springs feels NICE. and its a cheap mod.
@@Madtigertv so far so good for me - if anything changes I will let folks know
Would you still recommend midwest? I have this problem when i am in gear, with clutch pressed in, the bike stalls. It doesnt stall if i keep on throttle.
Yes I put it on every bike
running 4 springs in my 21 300 se factory.....no issues....soft pull....
Hmm maybe I should add a 4th
Is your Brembo clutch a 9mm? How did you initially like the extra throw the Midwest has compared to the stock lever?
Yes 9mm. I took to the lever fairly quickly maybe a ride or two. Wasn’t until I got on a bike with a stock lever again where I realize just how much more throw the Midwest has. I know several riders that hate the extra throw but I feel that I like it.
What part of BC are you in?
In the Greater Vancouver aka lower mainland
Install springs from ktm, work perfect
Yes precisely what I did which I discuss in this video. I am going to do the same thing on my SEF
Did you install more than 3?
@@thesmoness I change all spring
@@endurolive3313 Interesting I would have assumed it would slip with all 6
@@thesmoness 100mh no problem
Get a Clake best thing on my 21 sherco one finger all day long !
I think this is going to work as I now have it. However if it does not I won’t hesitate to get a Clake.
Mine stock is ok harden up boys
You should try a Rekluse auto clutch. It is the best thing ever for trail riding. :)
Haha when I am ready to take the ribbing for getting one maybe I will. Well I don't think I ever would on the 2T but no doubt the SEF would be pretty cool with one.
Only disadvantage is u lose some control of the clutch. If it was better all the pros would be running them and they aren’t.
Yea. For sure. If you are at competition level I don't think you would want one. :)
But for me (in lower speed enduro conditions) it relay helps not getting tired as easy and losing clutch control and concentration that way.
Jedi clutch + 3 ktm springs, and îs șofer than ktm pull
Jedi clutch gonna have to google that one
@@thesmoness its the same construction as midwest clutch lever