In the 3rd match around 21:00 you get comboed off. You actually did have an out there. I thought you were going to use Liquimetal Coating on the Nightmare in response to its ETB effect to stop it from being activated, but instead you blew up a land on your turn. GGs and thanks for all the great content!
@@bdub884 Green devotion has been a meta deck in Historic approximately forever, it's not something LVD invented out of nothing. But I wouldn't expect someone who spends more time complaining about netdecks than they do actually playing Magic to know that.
Who knew green could be THIS disgusting!? .....everyone. everyone knew xD Jokes aside, thus deck is very powerful and I'm glad to see you play it! Awesome job as usual Luca!! 🔥🤘
Hey Legend, for these complicated combo decks, would you ever consider including a sort of "scrimmage" game vs Sparky to showcase the loop with real gameplay if your human opponents keep conceding before you get a chance to showcase it? Obviously the interaction wouldn't be engaging, but it would at least let us see what's going on? Maybe it could go at the end for people who really want to see it in action, and don't mind seeing a bit of goldfishing? Thanks for your videos as usual!
I normally roll my eyes at these combo decks, but there is something about this green devotion / Nykthos / Karn combo that tickles my fancy. Well done, LVD!
Even in Explorer, Leyline of the Guildpact has augmented the already-annoying green devotion deck. I see in Historic that it's basically game-breaking.
Great but one tip: as someone who has played h devotion for ages, Elvish Mystic is better than birds of paridise. You have so many teachers and do not underestimate chipping in for one sometimes in a control matchup
Making black mana for Cauldron has been relevant and I've also run into opponents with Priest of Titania which punishes us for playing extra elves. I can definitely see the damage from a 1/1 be relevant to finish off a Planeswalker, but when this deck wins it's usually by a landslide.
@LegenVD with Leylines in your deck you can tap your dorks first and then once you have enough mana hard cast the Leyline so an untapped forest can tap for black, this works in a situation where you might a Llanowar Elves in your build but no bird that can tap for mana. I did however not take into account priest of Titania which is a valid point.
Most definitely not, this deck originated in pioneer and about half of the player base in some tournys were playing it at some point. Karn got banned in pioneer due to the presence of this deck. Most pioneer players hate it strongly
What would you think of Ghost Vacuum in the sideboard? It costs 1 but is repeatable and you could also use it to exile your own artifacts so that Karn can get them again.
In the Game against Monoblack Energy Combo, I think it could've been a good strategy to keep the Liquimetal Coating available to disrupt their combo. Since the Nightmare is only Sorcery-speed, but has the ETB Trigger to give 3 Energy, it should be possible to turn it into an artifact in response, turning it off with Karn, right?
Green devotion is my favorite historic deck. but lately I have felt historic is getting a little too crazy, If you are not playing a deck that can at the very least explode on turn 3 then your deck is not gonna cut it in rank play. I kind of wish they would tone historic down some.
Whaaat, all that crazy stuff with green devotion, Nykthos, Planeswalkers, cards from outside the game, gaining life in a very unconvinient way, to finally mill the opponent out... sounds more of Mono Black shenanigans, but I'm excited for it!
Quick question about game 3. Would liquimetal coating have stopped the cthulian nightmare from working? If so it might've been better to keep it untapped to stop the combo from functioning.
Indeed, could've tried to respond to the energy trigger to shut it down for the turn. If they have a second copy they could still possibly combo from that spot, so not sure what's optimal.
@@LegenVD Granted it’s easy to be results-oriented because we know how the game ended, but I still think I prefer the “coat-the-nightmare” line. Given the board state, even if he had 3 more lands in play at that point, it doesn’t seem like he’d be able to pull ahead without finding more gas. Love the content. Keep up the awesome work.
Sure would have been nice if an opponent would have let us actually see the deck kill. Seems you could have just set this all up as a value engine, left no pay off and they'd still all concede
i really used to enjoy historic, but it's become such a slog of combos the last year or so that I'm seriously considering retiring my favorite decks and making something in pioneer instead
Karn is banned in Pio, but the deck is all the same disgusting there. Going for lethal turn 3 or 4 by filling the board and giving it ramp with several Nykthos and Kiora. Absolutely disgusting. I saw one argue "Well actually, having to run 4 Nykthos is a risk because it can be a dead card"... yeah, but most of the time, it's just a green Dark Ritual on crack. I call it: Nykthos should be banned. 30 years and Wizards has still not learned that mana-cheating is a game-breaking mechanic. Ban that shit.
Karn was the problem and got banned, the deck dropped massively in play % and win rate. If Karn was banned in Historic the same thing would happen. If Nykthos was the problem you'd see devotion decks of every colour in the higher tiers of the meta.
Opponent plays a single card
Legenvd: "I know your entire plan"
It's a little easier when there's only like half a dozen common archetypes at high level play in the format, but yeah lvds the goat
In the 3rd match around 21:00 you get comboed off. You actually did have an out there. I thought you were going to use Liquimetal Coating on the Nightmare in response to its ETB effect to stop it from being activated, but instead you blew up a land on your turn. GGs and thanks for all the great content!
lol...gg ? you can't be serious, opponent uses some infinite loop deck he net decked
@@bdub884 complaining about netdecking in 2025
@@bdub884 Who cares, 99% of the decks in rank play are net decks. Green devotion is a net deck.
@@jeremiahcep it’s a net deck after LVD plays it and its not a cringe infinite loop deck
@@bdub884 Green devotion has been a meta deck in Historic approximately forever, it's not something LVD invented out of nothing.
But I wouldn't expect someone who spends more time complaining about netdecks than they do actually playing Magic to know that.
I am a simple magic player; I see Legend video, I click
Facts
Good boy.
Good boy.
A Karn is a Karn but Storm the Festival could be anything. It could even be a Karn!
How about 2 Karns?
Who knew green could be THIS disgusting!?
.....everyone. everyone knew xD
Jokes aside, thus deck is very powerful and I'm glad to see you play it! Awesome job as usual Luca!! 🔥🤘
Historic is such a brutal unforgiving format that even Legend is sometimes outmatched... and that says a lot.
This is explorer if I'm not mistaken.
@@RiKSh4w it is historic, Karn and leyline of abundance is banned in explorer, as well as fanatic of rhonas being a modern horizons card.
Hey Legend, for these complicated combo decks, would you ever consider including a sort of "scrimmage" game vs Sparky to showcase the loop with real gameplay if your human opponents keep conceding before you get a chance to showcase it? Obviously the interaction wouldn't be engaging, but it would at least let us see what's going on? Maybe it could go at the end for people who really want to see it in action, and don't mind seeing a bit of goldfishing?
Thanks for your videos as usual!
I did consider it but ran out of time!
Mindslaver as a Fun Of provides hilarious value
THE SMILEY IS BACK HOW CUTE THANK YOU LUC
It will appear randomly at the end of games, so it's not fully under my control.
Timestamp?
@@SQN67 I am the babe of the people it's 14:20
Me: How much devotion does LVD needs?
LVD: Oh yes!
Always loving any LVD video❤️
MATCH 2 WAS INSANE DUDE. OPPONENT PLAYED A SINGLE LAND AND WAS DONE 💀
I normally roll my eyes at these combo decks, but there is something about this green devotion / Nykthos / Karn combo that tickles my fancy. Well done, LVD!
Always love a deck where the wincon is literally hypothetical
The wincon is traumatising the opponent until they concede
That second game ended so fast lol
Turn 2 with 17 mana in the bank is the craziest thing I’ve seen so far. Legalize land destruction (not that it could’ve been stopped anyway)
Awesome!❤
You can stop Cthonian Nightmare with Liquimetal Coating by using it while its etb is on the stack
Indeed!
Even in Explorer, Leyline of the Guildpact has augmented the already-annoying green devotion deck. I see in Historic that it's basically game-breaking.
I also love using Karn and Liquimetal Coating to blow up lands for free
I would like to show Game 2 to whoever is in charge of balance at Wizards and just be like "Explain this to me."
Great but one tip: as someone who has played h devotion for ages, Elvish Mystic is better than birds of paridise. You have so many teachers and do not underestimate chipping in for one sometimes in a control matchup
Making black mana for Cauldron has been relevant and I've also run into opponents with Priest of Titania which punishes us for playing extra elves. I can definitely see the damage from a 1/1 be relevant to finish off a Planeswalker, but when this deck wins it's usually by a landslide.
@LegenVD with Leylines in your deck you can tap your dorks first and then once you have enough mana hard cast the Leyline so an untapped forest can tap for black, this works in a situation where you might a Llanowar Elves in your build but no bird that can tap for mana. I did however not take into account priest of Titania which is a valid point.
@WolfPage-f8w Certainly a close decision, Flying is also useful at times when you need a blocker or once you start pumping with Leyline of Abundance.
Very cool deck, so many things you can do!
Too bad the opponents don’t stick around until you combo off
I WAS IN THE VIDEOOOO!!!
Shut up, Luke
I miss a green deck like this kn historic
That may be the most creative win condition I've ever seen, did you come up with it yourself?
Most definitely not, this deck originated in pioneer and about half of the player base in some tournys were playing it at some point. Karn got banned in pioneer due to the presence of this deck. Most pioneer players hate it strongly
What would you think of Ghost Vacuum in the sideboard? It costs 1 but is repeatable and you could also use it to exile your own artifacts so that Karn can get them again.
Definitely a solid option!
Hey LegenVD! Are you going to do a Set Review for Aetherdrift ? Love your content
No set review planned.
i think Zahadom is still crying
In the Game against Monoblack Energy Combo, I think it could've been a good strategy to keep the Liquimetal Coating available to disrupt their combo. Since the Nightmare is only Sorcery-speed, but has the ETB Trigger to give 3 Energy, it should be possible to turn it into an artifact in response, turning it off with Karn, right?
Green devotion is my favorite historic deck. but lately I have felt historic is getting a little too crazy, If you are not playing a deck that can at the very least explode on turn 3 then your deck is not gonna cut it in rank play. I kind of wish they would tone historic down some.
Whaaat, all that crazy stuff with green devotion, Nykthos, Planeswalkers, cards from outside the game, gaining life in a very unconvinient way, to finally mill the opponent out... sounds more of Mono Black shenanigans, but I'm excited for it!
The amount of excited I had when I saw the title and Liliana's Veil, only to realize that its not a Mono-Black deck. 🖤💔
"Nine mana on turn two"....and now you understand why people hate Green decks.
Would Nykthos be good in a Dino deck? Feels like it could be a good answer to getting mana starved
No beseiju on ethereal armor seems sus once they declared attacks in m5.
It costs 2 mana to channel there so I couldn't.
So broken I don't even see the fun in playing MTG anymore tbh. Lorcana seems like a good option.
This reminds me that I do not want to play historic. Combo is fun to visit but I don’t want to live there.
Quick question about game 3. Would liquimetal coating have stopped the cthulian nightmare from working? If so it might've been better to keep it untapped to stop the combo from functioning.
And Boseiju destroy enchantment too.
Indeed, could've tried to respond to the energy trigger to shut it down for the turn. If they have a second copy they could still possibly combo from that spot, so not sure what's optimal.
@@LegenVD Granted it’s easy to be results-oriented because we know how the game ended, but I still think I prefer the “coat-the-nightmare” line. Given the board state, even if he had 3 more lands in play at that point, it doesn’t seem like he’d be able to pull ahead without finding more gas.
Love the content. Keep up the awesome work.
Sure would have been nice if an opponent would have let us actually see the deck kill. Seems you could have just set this all up as a value engine, left no pay off and they'd still all concede
Gross, I love it.
i really used to enjoy historic, but it's become such a slog of combos the last year or so that I'm seriously considering retiring my favorite decks and making something in pioneer instead
I feel bad for 2nd player
Why not play multiple Tormod's Crypt in your sideboard. You would have been able to stop that combo.
You can only play 7 cards in your sideboard for best-of-one.
Karn is banned in Pio, but the deck is all the same disgusting there.
Going for lethal turn 3 or 4 by filling the board and giving it ramp with several Nykthos and Kiora. Absolutely disgusting.
I saw one argue "Well actually, having to run 4 Nykthos is a risk because it can be a dead card"... yeah, but most of the time, it's just a green Dark Ritual on crack.
I call it: Nykthos should be banned. 30 years and Wizards has still not learned that mana-cheating is a game-breaking mechanic. Ban that shit.
Karn was the problem and got banned, the deck dropped massively in play % and win rate. If Karn was banned in Historic the same thing would happen.
If Nykthos was the problem you'd see devotion decks of every colour in the higher tiers of the meta.
I'm a simple man. I still hope green decks can be good
Play brawl, mono green is busted