No, that 2021 nets was better than this sun's team. That team was talented and deep. When they traded for harden I was pissef because they gutted all that youth. Had Kyrie and KD stayed with those young players they would have probably won 2-3 championships. I'm this case the sun's are poorly constructed. Trading for jimmy would be a good result because you would trade Beal and his contract. That would allow you to retool next season with Jimmy's contract expiring. You also get a better chance to complete this year because I do believe jimmy is better than Beal and a better fit. In short the nets F their future and made their team one dimensional for harden but the sun's trading for jimmy would open of the flexibility in rebuilding or building around KD and booker next season and even give them a better chance to win the title.
@@shane123693 you're probably right but if they could do it would be a great trade in my opinion I also would be Open to trading booker for jimmy if the sun's can somehow find a way to trade nurkic and get a better center
@@henrydaniels7287 no one’s over hyping anything. It’d be a mistake to get rid of a rookie with great potential for a star past their prime and who is gonna continue to decline. Get a brain dude
The Heat were interested in Beal a couple of years ago when he already started declining in Washington. They could get him for cheap now while also trading their, let's be honest, old as f*ck star player that probably still expects a pretty large contract extension. Things could get ugly with the vibes there. Also Beal is already signed so it's not like you're signing him yourself (media critique wise) and it helps you stay kinda relevant. I also don't expect Pat Riley to go full tank mode in his last years. Bradley's gets paid 53 & 57 mil next 2 seasons. Butler gets paid 52 mil next season. It's like extending your star player for another year, nothing too drastic, while also making him a bit better at creating offense, 4 years younger, and probably a bit easier going in the locker room. As he has declined his tough mentality style leadership has been worth sh*t for Miami. And lord knows this Suns team could use a bit more grit so as to not apathically keep falling short against a** teams. I just hope the Suns realize this as well and not trade that 2031 pick.
I think I figure it out. Do a 3 team trade. Beal to Miami, Butler to suns, and Oso to the third team. Than Nurkic & the 1st pick to hornets for Richards & Williams. So the new suns would be Tyus, Booker, Butler, KD, Richards Morris, Allen, O’Neale, Williams, Plumbee, Dunn etc
Ben has been correct this entire show. Keep the "Draft class dynamic Duo with D.Book for 2 years plus. Keep the 2031 pick. If not Butler, Then Lebron for the NOW title run and BRONNY, D.Book, Dunn, Oso, for Future plus Anthony Edwards 2026
Suns Jam pod talked about bringing the Bulls as a third team and Beal actually goes there, then Zach Lavine goes to the Heat. Not bad but it all depends on Beal signing off.
Miami would rather just extend butler's contract if beal is goin to be his replacement! Heat refused to take him in the off season, no better reason for them to get him now.
@@James-su7vqit was reported everywhere that the heat weren't interested on him. Heat only wanted lillard in the off season. Beal is overpaid and no team is going to take his contract especially if he only averaging below 20 and cant be available all the time
Could this be the trade: PHO: Butler MIA: Beal IND: Thomas Bryant Math works I wrote a program to give me every mathematical possible trade (10396 Possible Beal/Butler Trades) that could possibly be made. Working on narrowing it down to probable trades. Given the heat agreed with IND and Bryant, they could amend the trade with Beal and Butler to still make the math work. After writing the program and going through the data, I am more and more leaning towards that Beal in MIA will not work. If MIA didn't extend Butler, why would they take on the pseudo extension of Beal with his contract and with all the negatives with it? the NTC, plus Beals no fit in MIA.
You don't know Jimmy!!!???? First Durant is one of his closest friends, second, Jimmy never stays with ANY TEAM long, when he gets frustrated, he leaves!!! Stop it boy!!!
If we can win some games, I’m not sure if phoenix wants to. I would love to have jimmy because he fits better and also future wise we can finally build around kd and book as intended. Ben is right, we shouldn’t be waiting 10-15 games smh. That’s too much of a sample size
If you can trade Beal for jimmy that would be wonderful for the future and it might be rhe difference between winning this season and not winning. But if you can't I also wouldn't be against trading booker for jimmy if you can nurkic in that package and get s center with a third or even 4 team involved. If you could get jimmy plus a miles turner for butler and nurkic I would not mind it all
Trade for Steven Adam’s and trade for lonzo ball! We need defense and rebounding. KD Book and Beal is a great trio. Trading for an old star like jimmy isnt going help. Beal is younger why trade that
This is a dumb conversation. No one is trading for Beal. He is always injured and has a terrible contract. Suns have a zero percent chance of trading him to anyone.
@@Surprise623erbutler for beal? 😂😂😂 Come on! Heat won 3 championships already enough for them to know who's the better player between the two! Heat might be listening to offers but not for Beal.
@FRANCISCODELAPAZ-ko6yn i'm not sure what you mean? It's not a straight up trade, you do know there will be picks involved right? And yes that's why i said it "COULD" be Beal, not it's going to be Beal....Butler is the one interested in playing with Suns and Beal is the only trade asset....You think Butler want's to go to Suns to play with Beal?
@@Surprise623erwell as per reporting the suns only have year 2031 draft pick to offer which i dont think the heat or any other team will be interested to take. Right now the suns are left with very limited options unless they make decisions involving book or durant.
Get Lebron, Bronny, Austin Reeves, Konect for 2025 with D.book, Oso, Dunn, Lebron, KD, Royce O'Neil, Tyus Jones, Grayson.Allen, and POrtland other Center....Robert Williams III, who joined the Blazers in the Jrue Holiday trade last offseason, is arguably the most sought-after of Portland’s veterans. The 7-year center signed a four-year, $54 million deal with the Boston Celtics in 2021. He is set to earn $12.4 million this season and $13.3 million next season, making him an affordable option for contenders. Known for his defensive versatility and efficiency, Williams is averaging 9.6 points, six rebounds, 1.9 blocks, and 1.1 steals per game while shooting a stellar 71.1% from the field
You fools believe the Heat would want Beal. We win championships because we are expect at roster build😅ng. Yhe only Beal is in Phoenix is because the Heat did not want him and now Herro is playing better we are not going to get Beal and his ridiculous contract at all.
I swear this is the worst part of the year. My guy Brendon loses all his thinking skills a gos down these hypothetical rabbit holes. I still watch cause I love my guy but yall gotta stop lol
This situation reminds me of that 2021 nets funny enough when harden forced his way to Brooklyn. Jimmy may do the same thing but with phx
No, that 2021 nets was better than this sun's team.
That team was talented and deep.
When they traded for harden I was pissef because they gutted all that youth. Had Kyrie and KD stayed with those young players they would have probably won 2-3 championships.
I'm this case the sun's are poorly constructed.
Trading for jimmy would be a good result because you would trade Beal and his contract. That would allow you to retool next season with Jimmy's contract expiring.
You also get a better chance to complete this year because I do believe jimmy is better than Beal and a better fit.
In short the nets F their future and made their team one dimensional for harden but the sun's trading for jimmy would open of the flexibility in rebuilding or building around KD and booker next season and even give them a better chance to win the title.
@@Christopher._M the heat are not taking Beal haha
@@shane123693 you're probably right but if they could do it would be a great trade in my opinion
I also would be Open to trading booker for jimmy if the sun's can somehow find a way to trade nurkic and get a better center
@@shane123693youre wrong Miami Would take that First round pick plus beal and Grayson Allen
I like oso but him or dunn im keeping dun
Getting rid of Ryan Dunn would be a HUGE mistake.
Is that really on the table? lol
@ doubt it. But I’m just making conversation based on what they were talking about in the video.
Huge mistake? Sounds right up Ishbia’s alley 🙄
Stop over hyping dude!!
@@henrydaniels7287 no one’s over hyping anything. It’d be a mistake to get rid of a rookie with great potential for a star past their prime and who is gonna continue to decline. Get a brain dude
Idc about none of this. Bring KD back tommarow please✊🏽 my mental health needs this
The Heat were interested in Beal a couple of years ago when he already started declining in Washington. They could get him for cheap now while also trading their, let's be honest, old as f*ck star player that probably still expects a pretty large contract extension. Things could get ugly with the vibes there.
Also Beal is already signed so it's not like you're signing him yourself (media critique wise) and it helps you stay kinda relevant. I also don't expect Pat Riley to go full tank mode in his last years.
Bradley's gets paid 53 & 57 mil next 2 seasons. Butler gets paid 52 mil next season. It's like extending your star player for another year, nothing too drastic, while also making him a bit better at creating offense, 4 years younger, and probably a bit easier going in the locker room.
As he has declined his tough mentality style leadership has been worth sh*t for Miami. And lord knows this Suns team could use a bit more grit so as to not apathically keep falling short against a** teams.
I just hope the Suns realize this as well and not trade that 2031 pick.
I think I figure it out. Do a 3 team trade. Beal to Miami, Butler to suns, and Oso to the third team.
Than Nurkic & the 1st pick to hornets for Richards & Williams.
So the new suns would be
Tyus, Booker, Butler, KD, Richards
Morris, Allen, O’Neale, Williams, Plumbee, Dunn etc
miami needs to shed cap, not us. so they need to send a player who makes let’s say 6m and get a player from a 3rd team that makes 2m for it to work.
You people are delusional. No team wants Beal. He might have the worst contract in the league.
miami don't want Beal. that's why he is in Phoenix. is kd or booker
Ben has been correct this entire show. Keep the "Draft class dynamic Duo with D.Book for 2 years plus. Keep the 2031 pick. If not Butler, Then Lebron for the NOW title run and BRONNY, D.Book, Dunn, Oso, for Future plus Anthony Edwards 2026
heat fan here: is not Beal who we want. is not Beal who the heat office want either.
We gotta remember jimmy is the biggest troll in the nba lmao
It feels like we keep trying to stitch together a mid team from scraps. We need a full rebuild.
Suns Jam pod talked about bringing the Bulls as a third team and Beal actually goes there, then Zach Lavine goes to the Heat. Not bad but it all depends on Beal signing off.
Miami would rather lose butler for nothing than to trade for Beal
Miami would rather just extend butler's contract if beal is goin to be his replacement! Heat refused to take him in the off season, no better reason for them to get him now.
The heat didn’t refuse Beal. Beal chose phoenix over Miami.
@@James-su7vqit was reported everywhere that the heat weren't interested on him. Heat only wanted lillard in the off season. Beal is overpaid and no team is going to take his contract especially if he only averaging below 20 and cant be available all the time
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Great podcast Brendon and Benjamin I really believe the Suns are going to turn this around real Quick. Jimmy Butler would be a great fix.👏🏀🙏
Could this be the trade:
PHO: Butler
MIA: Beal
IND: Thomas Bryant
Math works
I wrote a program to give me every mathematical possible trade (10396 Possible Beal/Butler Trades) that could possibly be made. Working on narrowing it down to probable trades. Given the heat agreed with IND and Bryant, they could amend the trade with Beal and Butler to still make the math work.
After writing the program and going through the data, I am more and more leaning towards that Beal in MIA will not work. If MIA didn't extend Butler, why would they take on the pseudo extension of Beal with his contract and with all the negatives with it? the NTC, plus Beals no fit in MIA.
Miami is his number 1, it just depends on if they want to extend him or not..
You don't know Jimmy!!!???? First Durant is one of his closest friends, second, Jimmy never stays with ANY TEAM long, when he gets frustrated, he leaves!!! Stop it boy!!!
They're not extending
If we can win some games, I’m not sure if phoenix wants to. I would love to have jimmy because he fits better and also future wise we can finally build around kd and book as intended. Ben is right, we shouldn’t be waiting 10-15 games smh. That’s too much of a sample size
Are we finally going to win some games?
...ONLY IF WE HAVE A FULL SQUAD.
@@L.DacreTynanNo durant no wins😂
I know right!
It’s not possible they not giving up KD or book and Beal has a no trade. Even if he waived the no trade, why would the heat want that? Next Question
I agree big time pass of butler and go for a good big man
Suns already came out and said they dnt want him so there not trading for him
trade Nurk, Grayson and Beal soon
Nurkic and okogie for Kessler and and Collin Sexton, Allen for DFS
I concern Booker can run without ball.😮
If you can trade Beal for jimmy that would be wonderful for the future and it might be rhe difference between winning this season and not winning.
But if you can't I also wouldn't be against trading booker for jimmy if you can nurkic in that package and get s center with a third or even 4 team involved.
If you could get jimmy plus a miles turner for butler and nurkic I would not mind it all
Trade for Steven Adam’s and trade for lonzo ball! We need defense and rebounding. KD Book and Beal is a great trio. Trading for an old star like jimmy isnt going help. Beal is younger why trade that
This is a dumb conversation. No one is trading for Beal. He is always injured and has a terrible contract. Suns have a zero percent chance of trading him to anyone.
Big pass on butler, no thanks
gets us out the second apron after this season so we can finally build around kd and book. plus he’s a better fit than beal
That will make me sick they win today cuz KD back
😂🤡s they not trading him not for beal 😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
No, they are trading him and it could be for Beal. You are the clown
@@Surprise623erbutler for beal? 😂😂😂 Come on! Heat won 3 championships already enough for them to know who's the better player between the two! Heat might be listening to offers but not for Beal.
@FRANCISCODELAPAZ-ko6yn i'm not sure what you mean? It's not a straight up trade, you do know there will be picks involved right? And yes that's why i said it "COULD" be Beal, not it's going to be Beal....Butler is the one interested in playing with Suns and Beal is the only trade asset....You think Butler want's to go to Suns to play with Beal?
@@Surprise623erwell as per reporting the suns only have year 2031 draft pick to offer which i dont think the heat or any other team will be interested to take. Right now the suns are left with very limited options unless they make decisions involving book or durant.
It should be nurkick and booker be traded
Get Lebron, Bronny, Austin Reeves, Konect for 2025 with D.book, Oso, Dunn, Lebron, KD, Royce O'Neil, Tyus Jones, Grayson.Allen, and POrtland other Center....Robert Williams III, who joined the Blazers in the Jrue Holiday trade last offseason, is arguably the most sought-after of Portland’s veterans. The 7-year center signed a four-year, $54 million deal with the Boston Celtics in 2021. He is set to earn $12.4 million this season and $13.3 million next season, making him an affordable option for contenders.
Known for his defensive versatility and efficiency, Williams is averaging 9.6 points, six rebounds, 1.9 blocks, and 1.1 steals per game while shooting a stellar 71.1% from the field
I would rather have Beal. They missed about the same amount of games last year. Beal is bigger and shoots the three balls better than Butler.
Hes not bigger.
@mayna247 Beal just looks like he had more muscle mass than Jimmy.
You fools believe the Heat would want Beal. We win championships because we are expect at roster build😅ng. Yhe only Beal is in Phoenix is because the Heat did not want him and now Herro is playing better we are not going to get Beal and his ridiculous contract at all.
Is jimmy to much of a greedy player ?.
I have never relly rated him to much. I think keep as is for the remainder
I swear this is the worst part of the year. My guy Brendon loses all his thinking skills a gos down these hypothetical rabbit holes. I still watch cause I love my guy but yall gotta stop lol