I hate when people say that top MMA fighters are good because they fight by "rules" and without "rules" a Systema fighter would destroy them. That's a load of shit. An MMA fighter without "rules" would be 10 times more deadlier. Do you actually think someone like Anderson Silva would not know how to use dirty fighting, eye gauging, ear tearing, throat striking, etc. etc.? Sure he would. And he would be faster, stronger, and more conditioned. An MMA fighter without rules would be 10 times more dangerous than any martial artists who claims to be training for "no rules fighting" but never actually fought full contact.
MMA is a great competition and indeed some of the greatest fighters in the world are in the competitions. But keep in mind when you are 'fighting dirty' anytime you put your limb in the opponents space its in danger of being broken right there without rules prohibiting wrist or elbow manipulation. Its a different style of fighting most don't get to see because we are used to stand up fair ring fights.
Aztec1011 You know a person doesn't have a clue about real fighting when they start mentioning words like "Joint manipulation" and "Pressure points" LOL! like they're some kinda Ninja...LOL!!
GenuinePuncher I'm not saying I can do it and striking those areas doesn't happen. But it does happen in real fighting especially when wrestling/grappling, obviously not so much when distance fighting.
Aztec1011 Pressure points are definitely important! Believe me it hurts more if it's just the right spot. But of course that's less important if you're using gloves, and the impact is spread out on a bigger surface anyway.
cas lei there we go yea let em know pick up pace and spar fast fuck this its a clown move, that well get people hurt. I was thinking the same happy Easter, master of eight limbs is the best stand up I know from experiences of a few more than a few diff styles, there getting people hurt its good that you say this. God bless
There are almost none. For a simple reason : this whole systema thing is BS taught by frauds. And they know it, that's why they don't fight, they just make demos with assistants exagerating everything and purposely falling down when their wrists get a bit twisted or make 2 meters jumps when their "teachers" give them a little push. You can even see that most of those "teachers" are not even slightly ripped, they are not even regularly hardtraining fighters like you see in ANY other martial arts. Maybe they will have a small advantage against the regular guy who doesn't practice any sports but I'm a 100% sure they would get their ass savagely kicked by trained MMA fighters, boxers or even krav maga fighters.The only systema fighter with some impressive skills who, to me, would be efficient in a real fight is the korean DK Yoo, because he is really fast and practice a shitload of martial arts, not only this BS systema. But that's it, all the others I have seen seemed to be frauds ending up beliving their own lies after years training and making demos with their "assistants".
He's not blocking with his ribs exactly. If you look closely at 1:34, he's slightly turning his upper body into the kick so that the angle of his body can deflect some of the force and also so that the thicker muscles in his upper back can absorb the remaining force. At 1:39 he's stepping sideways away from the roundhouse a tiny distance so that he positions himself at the end of the arc of the kick which minimizes the force of the kick and creates an opening for him to exploit and counterattack with.
Jamesleedx i can tell you dont do any combat sport...thicker muscles in his upper back? Yep a kick is gonna do some serious damage if youre gonna block it with muscle, its best to block using a strong bone like the shin. Well at 1.39 it is an actual move used by pros to catch a kick, then sweep the other person so i got no comment. But if you misjudge the timing or distance, thats it bam youre gonna be in shit ton of pain
i would say that the probability of these moves working in a full speed fight are very low, even for someone who specifically trains them. fight full speed, or else useless.
Agreed; it just goes with the territory. You demonstrate a product to prove its value to a customer. Your product is a fighting system. Show us what it can do in a fight.
I am Thai, and be in MauyThai for 10+. I agree with Systema martial art is great one. And the way the show in this is absolutly true way to handle Thai Boxer. It work!!.
I've Done Muay Thai, and Kali. . I'm old and I dont like getting kicked in the legs any more. These are some nice ways to shut down those Muay Thai kicks
True. You also have keep in mind that the UFC fans like the stand-up fighting a lot more then grappling, so the organisation tends to promote that with their fighters.
I used to train ninjitsu and some of the stuff looks similar, the relaxed flowing movement. no doubt it works. but either way it doesn't matter. martial arts is about learning and enjoying learning process not proving your art to others. self development cannot be measured against the ability of others
I totally agree, it is possible to defend a take down, it's a fundamental part of learning grappling. The problem is most (not all) folks that concentrate on punching and kicking don't do much grappling. Those UFC folks usually study both. That being said, I can definitely see a grappler getting caught with a good punch or kick before getting his hands on them. I guess I'm just partial because of my background.
There are situations where it is favorable to be on the ground. Everything is situational. At the very least ground fighting should be learned as a means of standing back up once you have been taken down, and you will be taken to the ground at least once if you fight more then a handful of times in your life so it is advisable to pick up a skillset that can handle that.
i found it! The russian guy uses systema and boxing in the same time (competition rules don't allow him to fight in another style than boxing, but in his moves, like the wave that he does everytime with his arms or in his counter style, you'll be able to recognize systema moves) and the american only uses boxing. It's not as impressive as it could be in a real streetfighting, but it's the proof that systema is really able to be adaptated to every situation ;)
This whole systema vs mma bullshit is futile. It's not about the disciplines. It's the guys fighting. As a systema practitioner I have no doubt that i'd get my butt whooped by unaccounted numbers of mma guys in the ring or on the street. But systema is NOT a competitive sport. It's not about winnig. It's about SURVIVING. If I can survive a fight against an MMA guy that's enough for me. I prefer not to fight with MMA guy rules or not. But if I have to, I'll damn sure use every means and advantages to take him down. I shoot, stab, club with iron pipe, lure him in a dark slippery surface, WHAT EVER IT TAKES to put him down including my bare fists and feet. And I damn sure can't predict the outcome. And neither can't anyone of you in a REAL fighting environment.
So you think I just shoud submit and let mma-guy kick my ass because I can't survive "highly trained" mma-fighters attack? Do you really think I'd challenger mma-guy in his own game? As I said on my comment I'll use every unfair mean available to prevail. And I am not talking about a fight in a cage. I'm talking fighting with no rules. And then you don't see me challenging mma-guy head on.
Exactly Krav was designed to teach people fast and quickly. But it's not an art designed for much depth. Just an examination of the 360 defence reveals that it's designed for low accuracy blocks and blows. Hence the need for aggression.
So are you just assuming this is all false based on your misguided preconceptions about these styles? I have a friend that is in training to become a navy seal.. They teach multiple styles, not just Systema. Many of these instructors also do not offer their teachings to the general public but have been interviewed by major television networks such as the Discovery channel in attempts to promote the arts they teach in general.
It is possible to defend from a takedown. I have also found that a puncher is not entirely useless on the ground. If you can open the distance just a little, easy with just basic grappling knowledge, you can still develop some power. You can also attack joints, which is forbidden in most sports as it can lead to painful injuries.
Tai-Chi is a fighting art, it simply needs to be trained appropriately under the correct lineage (some are more applicable then others) and it takes a very long time to orient yourself to using the moves as their functions and the proper usage of the moves is not readily apparent and requires a degree of trail and error. That is why I plug them as foundational arts. They will make anything else you do better and their concepts are easily integrated into other styles.
@dirtboxdivas well that's pretty obvious but all those martial arts you mentioned are for a different era and are pretty much meant for an earlier period new karate styles such as kyokushin are bases of mixmartial arts aswell as tkd Anderson Silva Cung le bas rutton and many others in tkd so there's a lot of stuff that builds into mixmartial arts. And the age old say is its not the style I've seen tkd fighters kill Mauy Thai and same with karate
The only way to test your actual fighting skills is to be in an actual fight. There have been championship winning prizefighters that lost their lives in regular street fights against a pair of drunks or even just against one random dude. Every art has some fantastical origin story, this one is no different. What I look at is their actual moves, balance, and whether or not they are aligned to deliver power. The moves are solid. The system employed to deliver them is all that is questionable
Competition pays very poorly even in the televised U.F.C. and can cause lasting damage on the body, I wouldn't expect any of those guys to enter into one simply because they don't need to. We will likely see that in future generations that need to make a distinction between themselves and the founders. The story was that it was developed from ancient manuscripts as a special forces project. The project was later scrapped at which point the instructors were free to sell it as their own.
Majority of MMA fighters are gym hopers, they only learn a couple things then they leave. When those kind of fighters fight someone who has been training that one martial art the one with better training is going to win which won't be the MMA fighter
Exactly. I will check these guys from Systema in Italy if they reply back. I mean no harm but I do not see much fighting knowledge form Starov (like punching the leg performing the low kick). But the most controversial techniques are the no contact techniques. I have 20 years of experience and I sparred with practitioners (and masters) from many martial arts and fighting sports. I live in Milan, Italy. Still practicing although I am no professional.
Considering all around whether your doing Systema, Krav Maga, or basically all the American military combatives they are mostly the same. The application and use is all universal when you break down combat to it's basics, least amount of effort for the most amount of force. My first combatives instructor would always say, if you know it apply it.. These systems aren't for fighting in a ring, they are for killing an enemy on the battlefield in an instant.
You really don't understand the difference between sports and fighting systems. Skills, strenght en reflexes of a sport give you an advantage in real fights, but real fights are not played by rules. I have done both, and well trained sportsman really have the disadvantage of expecting their opponent to fight like it's a match.
I've seen a boxer break his hand when fighting a ninjutsu guy. A big punch with a lot of weight behind it, the boxer was used to wearing gloves and his fist got deflected and hit a brick wall. Now I agree with you that many karate, ninjutsu and aikido classes are borderline useless in a real fight, but not all of them train the wrong way. Your kick and punches might be good, but what do you do on the ground, or in a clinch and no referee gets you out? Then you are suddenly not in your element.
LOL I stand by my earlier point. Systema is a gimick and it is not used by Spetsnaz as is often claimed by it's promoters/sellers. Sambo is not my favorite martial art eitehr, so I don't have a bone in this fight, but it WAS in fact developed by the Soviet army as a combat system, was/is used by real Russian military forces as part of their combatives training.
yeah, in your fight just punch the knees like he does in this video.I use that technique in my pratices.It works like a breeze.Also,it is good to practice with your hands lower as one you can relax when you tired and two it lures the other guy into a trap while he foolish thinks your wide open. are down low. Martin Wheeler speaks about a concept called "body washing" where your arms are close in and relaxed as if your washing your body in the shower.
i think this is the main reason why i don't like martial arts that don't have regular combat as training. Most of Systema and Krav Maga training sessions cover only techniques and step aside body training. Some of the moves shown in the video ARE DANGEROUS FOR THE PRACTITIONERS, so be careful!!!! Doesn't matter if ur a noob or an advance student, UR NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BLOCK A KICK WITH UR SHINS, FOREARMS.... (I'D SAY ANY PART OF UR BODY) if you use this moves with people that practice martial arts like muay thai, boxing or taekwondo. The answer is simple, their body is used to the hits and is stronger...just by the time u feel a kick on ur shin or forearm you'll understand what i'm talking about. Reference: Personal experience, I used to train taekwondo (mostly for competitions) when i was at school and university and my bones are much stronger than a regular person....said by some brawney (with a big mouth) krav maga lv3 student whose forearm was numb by almost a minute by the hit taken....that's why i tell all krav maga and systema fighter, be carefull!!! Maybe you've learned to defend yourself but still won't be able to know people's past...
most of these just teach in "theory". like "in a fight he will do this, i will do this and he will fall" but they have never tried it out on a really aggressive non-compliant attacker who is out to really hurt them. they think its easy to implement their moves from training but when everything is moving in real time speed in fights, its gonna be a lot a lot more complicated
i wont pretend I know anything about systema but I would say you cant really compare a ring sport to a martial art. martial arts were designed to take any measures necessary to survive and kickboxing is a sport with many rules. its like comparing hunting to target shooting. but I like some of the things he does, like the hand slapping n counter hand strike but he is obviously a systema master, he should practice against a muay thai champ like buakau or john wayne maybe?
Yeah,, most people don't think about the fact that anyone with grappling knowledge will quickly take the fight to the ground, not much the puncher/kicker can do about it. On the ground, the puncher is screwed.
Would that challenge allow ball crushing, biting, eye gouging and throat crushing? Or maybe multiple fighters? 3 on 3, 5 on 5. How about knifes? Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of BJJ and have taken classes off and on over the years but no art is the end all be all. BJJ was so good because that art had been neglected for so long in modern sport fighting. Traditional Japanese ground jiujitsu was throw him to the ground and land on him with your blade in his gut. way more effected then BJJ ;)
Don't diss the gracie's just because Rickson was the only one who did it right. Modern day yea its pretty much just for sport now, but if you watch Rickson back in his prime you knew that if you went to the ground you were in serious trouble.
I actually don't think MMA would kill these guys, there learning how to use their opponents movements against them. At the same time also learning how to take a punch and still fight calmly through the pain. Grabbing a guy doesn't help if he can calmly get out of it and break your neck with 2 punches
Systema is a fighting system,its strikes are relaxed but on contact its very very hard. others see students dancing around,but u can fight more atteackers when u use the system,anyway i trained in it and its beaten other fighting methods. i do agree use whats useful and works for you ,takes a while to get through the bullshit now looking at DENNIS MARTIN CQB this looks very good,all other top experts giv good reports. good luck its a long journey
I found its hard to believe how effective the systema punches are until I went to a sustema dojo and get punched on my stomach. If any people are still wondering what it is, just find a dojo and go get few punches then you will then want to find out how they do it.
You're right, there are many aspects that are important, all arts have their strong and weak points. And on the self defence market are a lot of scammers trying to sell magical products. The whole trick is to see the difference between the real charlatans and the good systems that work different from what you're used to. Thank you for this exchange of thoughts, good to see there are still intelligent people here.
Error. Every year, there are combats beetween members of special force from various countries. and the last three years, russian spetsnaz were first in this contest. I practice systema miself, and i can tell you it's one of the most effective combat style in da world, even if i thing Wing-Chum can be better in competition. In a street fight, systema can be adapted to your environment. there are no many combat style which have this ability.
Like StringsCrusader said, you do realise that in quicktime fights like any street confrontation, or in a WAR battle, or even fighting multiple opponents that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is largely defunct and only at its best, effective in 1 on 1 bouts? If a Gracie fought a Spetsnaz soldier outside a cage, the way they train, I'm pretty sure a gracie won't choke for shit when his balls have been ripped or his eyes pierced. I do BJJ myself though so no disrespect, it it great, but not universal style.
These comments are funny. Do any of you have any idea how much ballistic energy is transferred through a basic systema punch? Did you not also notice the ease at which he blocked kicks with high shin to low shin, and then reacted with multiple counters in the same major muscle group movement?.... I am training right now for a fight, and would love to spend a week or two with this system beforehand.... I would like more, but that would have to be after my fight.
I am not trying to be cooler than anyone - just pointing out a factual inaccuracy in your comment. I don't know any Navy SEAL's but I do know a lot of former spetsnaz guys who served in Afghanistan - some were drafted from the college I was in and came back there and some worked security at the plant I worked at after college. The source of the info - I read a few books on the subject - both Russian and American, not to mention that I myself almost got drafted to go fight there. Cheers.
Maybe he's not that good but from what I understand the war hero Viktor Leonov and his soldier's were one of the most feared special forces groups in ww2 look him up, this is when systema was created, but men were created differently at that time. I'm not a practitioner of systema but man the history on this elite group is very impressive. You can compare there group to the Nazi hunters of inglorious bastards. Maybe this guy is just not the best, just saying, not all men are created equal in fighting arts hahaha Do some research instead of disrespecting everything you don't understand. It's not the system in many cases it's the practitioner. Remember 1 out of 100 at a kickboxing gym will be a champion not everyone flows the same, has the drive to be at the top some try and can teach but can't perform top notch but can still produce good fighters, look at many boxing coach's, just think. Read and learn !⬇️⬇️⬇️ www.badassoftheweek.com/leonov.html
Military styles will never win in a cage/ring, we all know that.. But that is not what they are intended for.. In battle, Krav maga, systema, or marine line can be the difference between coming home to your family or coming home in a wooden box.
Ring sport versus a undiluted MARTIAL arts designed for war. Issue a challenge to gracie on gravel and see if he'll agree. If not well then that's a really useful martial arts if it can only be done on pads.
рукалицо... скоро будут ролики типа "джиткундо брюса-ли против системы спецназ", "Артур Оганесян против Вадима старова", "Эвандер Холифилд против Вадима старова", "Буакав Беншамек против системы спецназ"))) и неизменно система спецназ будет выигрывать)) ребята, пиар это тоже наука... это подход. а не привести подставных ребят в зал и показать что система рулит
2:35 - constantly fails to do the technique on first kick 2:45 - if the student/instructor would have ment business, that hammer punch would have hit 3:35 - gets hit by the student/instructor
Man if you end up on the ground in ANY martial discipline, you're in serious trouble. I'm not saying BJJ won't fuck people up, because it will. I'm just saying that there's a reason why they don't train soldiers solely in BJJ.
Don't forget this is a training, he is teaching people's how to use in real times... this is no real... you don't have time for movies when it is real... You got to use it when you need... This is no junk... this is man fighting.. Russians are strong in fighting... stronger you ever have imaginated, because america doesn't have these strong fight sports... Russians are live in cold places so they made hard, americans are soft trained in a warm country... warmth makes lazy
Well, I do not see systema fit for any competition at all. There is something good about ballistic striking, though. So far the best thing about systema is that they force you to be relaxed and in my experience I found people too stiff especially in MA. Seeing Mr. Starov here, I would just hit him in the groin.
The body mechanics that they teach within the system is well worth learning. I don't particularly agree with their strategy on striking, but the moves are solid and will deal significant damage if landed. Learning this art would be a fantastic foundation to build off of and would make you an overall more versatile fighter as well as amplifying the power of your strikes. watch?v=3NeMkL9qdD4 plus this kind of balance and connection to the ground will make you very difficult to take down.
The Creator of the system of training of hand-to-hand combat, common in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics invented 1 a new element, it is not a military secret. This is a theoretical justification of the methods of fighting. The system equally arose on the field of battle, in the gym and in the books of physicists. And, by the way, against the american special forces it works perfectly.
Sambo is basically Russian wrestling... If you try to use wrestling moves in a fight for your life, you'll die. It's meant for competition, not killing people.
yeah i like the spetnaz stuff but that was a master training against a beginer- its a great sytem but try put that guy up against buakaw or yadacha and hed get owned.
Unless there is gravel, rocks, curbs, concrete, asphalt, syringes, logs, sticks, pots, chairs, tables, roses, hammocks, bar stools, bottles, glass. Or anyone else willing to stomp your head in.
so thats means that you are educated because you are not russian? simply think before talk or choose other arguments. dont forget: change your words, change your world!
krav is efficient but technically really poor. if you just wanna learn to defend yourself quickly, Krav maga is good, but it's really boring to practice more than few years. Systema is more intuitive and interesting
But Systema isn't just a theory. It's fucking battle proven. I'd prefer to train in something that doesn't have rules. Because honestly, if some fucker jumps me, I'll fight dirty idgaf. You can get shanked in the kidney 47 times because. "In BJJ we're not supposed to kick when you're down, or in the eyes/face." There's a serious difference between martial disciplines when one is used FOR REAL, and the other just for sport.
im sure Systema is very effective but this guy is barley managing to defend against novice kickboxers that aren't even striking hard or fast. when he hooks the leg kick with his leg and spins the guy around.... that's not going to work against a hard fast kick from a muay thai fighter. remember kicks are usually thrown at the end of a combo
I hate when people say that top MMA fighters are good because they fight by "rules" and without "rules" a Systema fighter would destroy them. That's a load of shit. An MMA fighter without "rules" would be 10 times more deadlier. Do you actually think someone like Anderson Silva would not know how to use dirty fighting, eye gauging, ear tearing, throat striking, etc. etc.? Sure he would. And he would be faster, stronger, and more conditioned. An MMA fighter without rules would be 10 times more dangerous than any martial artists who claims to be training for "no rules fighting" but never actually fought full contact.
If Silva knew Systema he would be 50x more dangerous able to kill in 1 strike or break bones way too easily.
MMA is a great competition and indeed some of the greatest fighters in the world are in the competitions. But keep in mind when you are 'fighting dirty' anytime you put your limb in the opponents space its in danger of being broken right there without rules prohibiting wrist or elbow manipulation. Its a different style of fighting most don't get to see because we are used to stand up fair ring fights.
Aztec1011 You know a person doesn't have a clue about real fighting when they start mentioning words like "Joint manipulation" and "Pressure points" LOL! like they're some kinda Ninja...LOL!!
GenuinePuncher I'm not saying I can do it and striking those areas doesn't happen. But it does happen in real fighting especially when wrestling/grappling, obviously not so much when distance fighting.
Aztec1011
Pressure points are definitely important! Believe me it hurts more if it's just the right spot. But of course that's less important if you're using gloves, and the impact is spread out on a bigger surface anyway.
I want to see a real video of a REAL fight against another trained fighter...
where this style is actually used.
cas lei there we go yea let em know pick up pace and spar fast fuck this its a clown move, that well get people hurt. I was thinking the same happy Easter, master of eight limbs is the best stand up I know from experiences of a few more than a few diff styles, there getting people hurt its good that you say this. God bless
yet another systema seminar/demo vid
title is misleading - are there any vids where there is real fighting?
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so do you guys actually spar?
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I just never see any vids with systema sparring
There are almost none. For a simple reason : this whole systema thing is BS taught by frauds. And they know it, that's why they don't fight, they just make demos with assistants exagerating everything and purposely falling down when their wrists get a bit twisted or make 2 meters jumps when their "teachers" give them a little push. You can even see that most of those "teachers" are not even slightly ripped, they are not even regularly hardtraining fighters like you see in ANY other martial arts. Maybe they will have a small advantage against the regular guy who doesn't practice any sports but I'm a 100% sure they would get their ass savagely kicked by trained MMA fighters, boxers or even krav maga fighters.The only systema fighter with some impressive skills who, to me, would be efficient in a real fight is the korean DK Yoo, because he is really fast and practice a shitload of martial arts, not only this BS systema. But that's it, all the others I have seen seemed to be frauds ending up beliving their own lies after years training and making demos with their "assistants".
my advice - start to actualy train and join a seminar
Yeah sure.. To get your money stolen by some clowns.
Not hating on Systema but at 1:37 is he really stopping kick with his ribs ? That wouldnt last even one full power muay thai kick ...
if it was a real kick, he would be failling down in pain due to broken ribs and a screwed up liver
He's not blocking with his ribs exactly. If you look closely at 1:34,
he's slightly turning his upper body into the kick so that the angle of
his body can deflect some of the force and also so that the thicker
muscles in his upper back can absorb the remaining force. At 1:39
he's stepping sideways away from the roundhouse a tiny distance so that
he positions himself at the end of the arc of the kick which minimizes
the force of the kick and creates an opening for him to exploit and
counterattack with.
Jamesleedx you're full of shit. Quit spreading your lies
Jamesleedx i can tell you dont do any combat sport...thicker muscles in his upper back? Yep a kick is gonna do some serious damage if youre gonna block it with muscle, its best to block using a strong bone like the shin. Well at 1.39 it is an actual move used by pros to catch a kick, then sweep the other person so i got no comment. But if you misjudge the timing or distance, thats it bam youre gonna be in shit ton of pain
Cool moves n fatal... Where can i learn this? I'm not sure they have it in singapore... Do give some details...
i would say that the probability of these moves working in a full speed fight are very low, even for someone who specifically trains them. fight full speed, or else useless.
do we have Systema in United's States I would like to go check it out ?
Agreed; it just goes with the territory. You demonstrate a product to prove its value to a customer. Your product is a fighting system. Show us what it can do in a fight.
I am Thai, and be in MauyThai for 10+. I agree with Systema martial art is great one. And the way the show in this is absolutly true way to handle Thai Boxer. It work!!.
Are you still fight Muay Thai using systema method?
I've Done Muay Thai, and Kali. . I'm old and I dont like getting kicked in the legs any more. These are some nice ways to shut down those Muay Thai kicks
have you ever practiced Systema?
True. You also have keep in mind that the UFC fans like the stand-up fighting a lot more then grappling, so the organisation tends to promote that with their fighters.
I used to train ninjitsu and some of the stuff looks similar, the relaxed flowing movement. no doubt it works. but either way it doesn't matter. martial arts is about learning and enjoying learning process not proving your art to others. self development cannot be measured against the ability of others
Why are there no systema fighters in UFC? hmm.
Because it's a sport and systema is not a sport. I would say that is the mane reason.
Dude go to a Gracie academy issue a challenge and film it then put it on TH-cam. Until then your fighting style is just a theory.
and you are basing this claim off of..?
I totally agree, it is possible to defend a take down, it's a fundamental part of learning grappling. The problem is most (not all) folks that concentrate on punching and kicking don't do much grappling. Those UFC folks usually study both. That being said, I can definitely see a grappler getting caught with a good punch or kick before getting his hands on them. I guess I'm just partial because of my background.
their are vadim videos I like and ones I hate, this is a good one. probably the best video for the vadim is legit argument
There are situations where it is favorable to be on the ground. Everything is situational. At the very least ground fighting should be learned as a means of standing back up once you have been taken down, and you will be taken to the ground at least once if you fight more then a handful of times in your life so it is advisable to pick up a skillset that can handle that.
Что вы, Вадим Старов не показали им технику без контактного боя?
i found it!
The russian guy uses systema and boxing in the same time (competition rules don't allow him to fight in another style than boxing, but in his moves, like the wave that he does everytime with his arms or in his counter style, you'll be able to recognize systema moves) and the american only uses boxing.
It's not as impressive as it could be in a real streetfighting, but it's the proof that systema is really able to be adaptated to every situation ;)
This whole systema vs mma bullshit is futile. It's not about the disciplines. It's the guys fighting. As a systema practitioner I have no doubt that i'd get my butt whooped by unaccounted numbers of mma guys in the ring or on the street. But systema is NOT a competitive sport. It's not about winnig. It's about SURVIVING. If I can survive a fight against an MMA guy that's enough for me.
I prefer not to fight with MMA guy rules or not. But if I have to, I'll damn sure use every means and advantages to take him down. I shoot, stab, club with iron pipe, lure him in a dark slippery surface, WHAT EVER IT TAKES to put him down including my bare fists and feet. And I damn sure can't predict the outcome. And neither can't anyone of you in a REAL fighting environment.
So you think I just shoud submit and let mma-guy kick my ass because I can't survive "highly trained" mma-fighters attack? Do you really think I'd challenger mma-guy in his own game? As I said on my comment I'll use every unfair mean available to prevail. And I am not talking about a fight in a cage. I'm talking fighting with no rules. And then you don't see me challenging mma-guy head on.
Exactly Krav was designed to teach people fast and quickly. But it's not an art designed for much depth. Just an examination of the 360 defence reveals that it's designed for low accuracy blocks and blows. Hence the need for aggression.
So are you just assuming this is all false based on your misguided preconceptions about these styles?
I have a friend that is in training to become a navy seal.. They teach multiple styles, not just Systema.
Many of these instructors also do not offer their teachings to the general public but have been interviewed by major television networks such as the Discovery channel in attempts to promote the arts they teach in general.
It is possible to defend from a takedown. I have also found that a puncher is not entirely useless on the ground. If you can open the distance just a little, easy with just basic grappling knowledge, you can still develop some power. You can also attack joints, which is forbidden in most sports as it can lead to painful injuries.
Love to see the look on their faces if Buakaw walked in
no kidding!
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Tai-Chi is a fighting art, it simply needs to be trained appropriately under the correct lineage (some are more applicable then others) and it takes a very long time to orient yourself to using the moves as their functions and the proper usage of the moves is not readily apparent and requires a degree of trail and error. That is why I plug them as foundational arts. They will make anything else you do better and their concepts are easily integrated into other styles.
@dirtboxdivas well that's pretty obvious but all those martial arts you mentioned are for a different era and are pretty much meant for an earlier period new karate styles such as kyokushin are bases of mixmartial arts aswell as tkd Anderson Silva Cung le bas rutton and many others in tkd so there's a lot of stuff that builds into mixmartial arts. And the age old say is its not the style I've seen tkd fighters kill Mauy Thai and same with karate
The only way to test your actual fighting skills is to be in an actual fight. There have been championship winning prizefighters that lost their lives in regular street fights against a pair of drunks or even just against one random dude.
Every art has some fantastical origin story, this one is no different. What I look at is their actual moves, balance, and whether or not they are aligned to deliver power. The moves are solid. The system employed to deliver them is all that is questionable
Competition pays very poorly even in the televised U.F.C. and can cause lasting damage on the body, I wouldn't expect any of those guys to enter into one simply because they don't need to. We will likely see that in future generations that need to make a distinction between themselves and the founders.
The story was that it was developed from ancient manuscripts as a special forces project. The project was later scrapped at which point the instructors were free to sell it as their own.
U know it's legit when someone has to kick u super slow for it to work.... SMH.
Arnis, Escrima, Kali, Silat, Defendo, Systema, Krav Maga = Technique, No Sparring, Maximum Light Sparring. Light Sparring = Zero.
Muay Thai = Technique, Sparring, Fight. Real Fight.
Video = No Fight. Simple Technique Tutorial. :)
I'd love to see him fighting against buakaw in a freestyle match hahaha
Majority of MMA fighters are gym hopers, they only learn a couple things then they leave. When those kind of fighters fight someone who has been training that one martial art the one with better training is going to win which won't be the MMA fighter
i'm gonna search it and i'll share the link ;)
Exactly. I will check these guys from Systema in Italy if they reply back. I mean no harm but I do not see much fighting knowledge form Starov (like punching the leg performing the low kick). But the most controversial techniques are the no contact techniques. I have 20 years of experience and I sparred with practitioners (and masters) from many martial arts and fighting sports. I live in Milan, Italy. Still practicing although I am no professional.
Starov is a legitimate joke brother😂 he’s a clown 🤡
Pekné video.
Considering all around whether your doing Systema, Krav Maga, or basically all the American military combatives they are mostly the same. The application and use is all universal when you break down combat to it's basics, least amount of effort for the most amount of force. My first combatives instructor would always say, if you know it apply it.. These systems aren't for fighting in a ring, they are for killing an enemy on the battlefield in an instant.
Bullshit
You really don't understand the difference between sports and fighting systems. Skills, strenght en reflexes of a sport give you an advantage in real fights, but real fights are not played by rules.
I have done both, and well trained sportsman really have the disadvantage of expecting their opponent to fight like it's a match.
I've seen a boxer break his hand when fighting a ninjutsu guy. A big punch with a lot of weight behind it, the boxer was used to wearing gloves and his fist got deflected and hit a brick wall.
Now I agree with you that many karate, ninjutsu and aikido classes are borderline useless in a real fight, but not all of them train the wrong way.
Your kick and punches might be good, but what do you do on the ground, or in a clinch and no referee gets you out? Then you are suddenly not in your element.
LOL I stand by my earlier point. Systema is a gimick and it is not used by Spetsnaz as is often claimed by it's promoters/sellers. Sambo is not my favorite martial art eitehr, so I don't have a bone in this fight, but it WAS in fact developed by the Soviet army as a combat system, was/is used by real Russian military forces as part of their combatives training.
yeah, in your fight just punch the knees like he does in this video.I use that technique in my pratices.It works like a breeze.Also,it is good to practice with your hands lower as one you can relax when you tired and two it lures the other guy into a trap while he foolish thinks your wide open. are down low.
Martin Wheeler speaks about a concept called "body washing" where your arms are close in and relaxed as if your washing your body in the shower.
That is the stupidnest advice I've ever read. Hopefully no-one follows your advice. It might get the person hurt.
i think this is the main reason why i don't like martial arts that don't have regular combat as training. Most of Systema and Krav Maga training sessions cover only techniques and step aside body training. Some of the moves shown in the video ARE DANGEROUS FOR THE PRACTITIONERS, so be careful!!!! Doesn't matter if ur a noob or an advance student, UR NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO BLOCK A KICK WITH UR SHINS, FOREARMS.... (I'D SAY ANY PART OF UR BODY) if you use this moves with people that practice martial arts like muay thai, boxing or taekwondo. The answer is simple, their body is used to the hits and is stronger...just by the time u feel a kick on ur shin or forearm you'll understand what i'm talking about.
Reference:
Personal experience, I used to train taekwondo (mostly for competitions) when i was at school and university and my bones are much stronger than a regular person....said by some brawney (with a big mouth) krav maga lv3 student whose forearm was numb by almost a minute by the hit taken....that's why i tell all krav maga and systema fighter, be carefull!!! Maybe you've learned to defend yourself but still won't be able to know people's past...
most of these just teach in "theory". like "in a fight he will do this, i will do this and he will fall" but they have never tried it out on a really aggressive non-compliant attacker who is out to really hurt them. they think its easy to implement their moves from training but when everything is moving in real time speed in fights, its gonna be a lot a lot more complicated
i wont pretend I know anything about systema but I would say you cant really compare a ring sport to a martial art. martial arts were designed to take any measures necessary to survive and kickboxing is a sport with many rules. its like comparing hunting to target shooting. but I like some of the things he does, like the hand slapping n counter hand strike but he is obviously a systema master, he should practice against a muay thai champ like buakau or john wayne maybe?
Systema my ass
+MadMan Systema wins. Always. see the video-
they are basically using muay boran against sport muay thai
Yeah,, most people don't think about the fact that anyone with grappling knowledge will quickly take the fight to the ground, not much the puncher/kicker can do about it. On the ground, the puncher is screwed.
Would that challenge allow ball crushing, biting, eye gouging and throat crushing? Or maybe multiple fighters? 3 on 3, 5 on 5. How about knifes? Don't get me wrong I'm a fan of BJJ and have taken classes off and on over the years but no art is the end all be all. BJJ was so good because that art had been neglected for so long in modern sport fighting. Traditional Japanese ground jiujitsu was throw him to the ground and land on him with your blade in his gut. way more effected then BJJ ;)
Don't diss the gracie's just because Rickson was the only one who did it right.
Modern day yea its pretty much just for sport now, but if you watch Rickson back in his prime you knew that if you went to the ground you were in serious trouble.
Very nice video, but the Thai boxers seemed just not as good as systema guy in my point of view (correct me if I am wrong).
I actually don't think MMA would kill these guys, there learning how to use their opponents movements against them. At the same time also learning how to take a punch and still fight calmly through the pain. Grabbing a guy doesn't help if he can calmly get out of it and break your neck with 2 punches
Don't comment and start to practice MMA. We all can be keyboard warriors.
Systema is a fighting system,its strikes are relaxed but on contact its very very hard.
others see students dancing around,but u can fight more atteackers when u use the system,anyway i trained in it and its beaten other fighting methods.
i do agree use whats useful and works for you ,takes a while to get through the bullshit
now looking at DENNIS MARTIN CQB this looks very good,all other top experts giv good reports.
good luck its a long journey
I found its hard to believe how effective the systema punches are until I went to a sustema dojo and get punched on my stomach. If any people are still wondering what it is, just find a dojo and go get few punches then you will then want to find out how they do it.
Muay Thai is still a ring sport. I'd like to see it against Muay Boran or Bando.
You're right, there are many aspects that are important, all arts have their strong and weak points.
And on the self defence market are a lot of scammers trying to sell magical products. The whole trick is to see the difference between the real charlatans and the good systems that work different from what you're used to.
Thank you for this exchange of thoughts, good to see there are still intelligent people here.
I love Systema I use it, I do Sambo/Systema
Systema is interesting. I'm looking at a gym near my house. Thanks for the video.
Poor dude don't waste your time or money
Error. Every year, there are combats beetween members of special force from various countries. and the last three years, russian spetsnaz were first in this contest.
I practice systema miself, and i can tell you it's one of the most effective combat style in da world, even if i thing Wing-Chum can be better in competition. In a street fight, systema can be adapted to your environment. there are no many combat style which have this ability.
Like StringsCrusader said, you do realise that in quicktime fights like any street confrontation, or in a WAR battle, or even fighting multiple opponents that Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is largely defunct and only at its best, effective in 1 on 1 bouts? If a Gracie fought a Spetsnaz soldier outside a cage, the way they train, I'm pretty sure a gracie won't choke for shit when his balls have been ripped or his eyes pierced. I do BJJ myself though so no disrespect, it it great, but not universal style.
Yes i know about muscle memory, but if learn get in a fight becoming a drill master won't help you in realty, that's why you light spar.
These comments are funny. Do any of you have any idea how much ballistic energy is transferred through a basic systema punch? Did you not also notice the ease at which he blocked kicks with high shin to low shin, and then reacted with multiple counters in the same major muscle group movement?.... I am training right now for a fight, and would love to spend a week or two with this system beforehand.... I would like more, but that would have to be after my fight.
I am not trying to be cooler than anyone - just pointing out a factual inaccuracy in your comment. I don't know any Navy SEAL's but I do know a lot of former spetsnaz guys who served in Afghanistan - some were drafted from the college I was in and came back there and some worked security at the plant I worked at after college. The source of the info - I read a few books on the subject - both Russian and American, not to mention that I myself almost got drafted to go fight there. Cheers.
Клоун какой-то? Надел на себя значки ГРУ и называет это системой спецназ.
Система Кадочникова чтоли?
Maybe he's not that good but from what I understand the war hero Viktor Leonov and his soldier's were one of the most feared special forces groups in ww2 look him up, this is when systema was created, but men were created differently at that time. I'm not a practitioner of systema but man the history on this elite group is very impressive. You can compare there group to the Nazi hunters of inglorious bastards. Maybe this guy is just not the best, just saying, not all men are created equal in fighting arts hahaha
Do some research instead of disrespecting everything you don't understand. It's not the system in many cases it's the practitioner. Remember 1 out of 100 at a kickboxing gym will be a champion not everyone flows the same, has the drive to be at the top some try and can teach but can't perform top notch but can still produce good fighters, look at many boxing coach's, just think.
Read and learn !⬇️⬇️⬇️
www.badassoftheweek.com/leonov.html
Military styles will never win in a cage/ring, we all know that.. But that is not what they are intended for.. In battle, Krav maga, systema, or marine line can be the difference between coming home to your family or coming home in a wooden box.
Wanna see him in a real fight... To see if his techniques work
Awesome :)
Do these " Thai boxers" know what HEAD MOVEMENT IS?????
Ring sport versus a undiluted MARTIAL arts designed for war. Issue a challenge to gracie on gravel and see if he'll agree. If not well then that's a really useful martial arts if it can only be done on pads.
that isn't muay thai
рукалицо... скоро будут ролики типа "джиткундо брюса-ли против системы спецназ", "Артур Оганесян против Вадима старова", "Эвандер Холифилд против Вадима старова", "Буакав Беншамек против системы спецназ"))) и неизменно система спецназ будет выигрывать)) ребята, пиар это тоже наука... это подход. а не привести подставных ребят в зал и показать что система рулит
B..but why would someone lie about their ultra-secret-killer fighting technique? Its almost like they can make money off it or something??
2:35 - constantly fails to do the technique on first kick
2:45 - if the student/instructor would have ment business, that hammer punch would have hit
3:35 - gets hit by the student/instructor
Agree!!!
Good movies
isso só funciona com quem não sabe nada, o muaythai por si só é suficiente.
Not really a VS this is a practice and showing of techniques - that's all.
Man if you end up on the ground in ANY martial discipline, you're in serious trouble. I'm not saying BJJ won't fuck people up, because it will. I'm just saying that there's a reason why they don't train soldiers solely in BJJ.
Где здесь "vs"? Сплошь показушные "приемчики".
Don't forget this is a training, he is teaching people's how to use in real times... this is no real... you don't have time for movies when it is real... You got to use it when you need... This is no junk... this is man fighting.. Russians are strong in fighting... stronger you ever have imaginated, because america doesn't have these strong fight sports... Russians are live in cold places so they made hard, americans are soft trained in a warm country... warmth makes lazy
Well, I do not see systema fit for any competition at all. There is something good about ballistic striking, though. So far the best thing about systema is that they force you to be relaxed and in my experience I found people too stiff especially in MA. Seeing Mr. Starov here, I would just hit him in the groin.
Special Forces in general to suppress enemy troops created. Not for charity.
The body mechanics that they teach within the system is well worth learning. I don't particularly agree with their strategy on striking, but the moves are solid and will deal significant damage if landed. Learning this art would be a fantastic foundation to build off of and would make you an overall more versatile fighter as well as amplifying the power of your strikes.
watch?v=3NeMkL9qdD4 plus this kind of balance and connection to the ground will make you very difficult to take down.
when true muay thai practitioners punch or kick, you won't be able to block it directly
cool story bro
The Creator of the system of training of hand-to-hand combat, common in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics invented 1 a new element, it is not a military secret. This is a theoretical justification of the methods of fighting. The system equally arose on the field of battle, in the gym and in the books of physicists. And, by the way, against the american special forces it works perfectly.
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LOL! Sorry, but you need to invite some really Muay Thai fighters so you can really refine your techniques.
Sambo is basically Russian wrestling... If you try to use wrestling moves in a fight for your life, you'll die. It's meant for competition, not killing people.
yeah i like the spetnaz stuff but that was a master training against a beginer- its a great sytem but try put that guy up against buakaw or yadacha and hed get owned.
Unless there is gravel, rocks, curbs, concrete, asphalt, syringes, logs, sticks, pots, chairs, tables, roses, hammocks, bar stools, bottles, glass. Or anyone else willing to stomp your head in.
so thats means that you are educated because you are not russian? simply think before talk or choose other arguments. dont forget: change your words, change your world!
krav is efficient but technically really poor. if you just wanna learn to defend yourself quickly, Krav maga is good, but it's really boring to practice more than few years. Systema is more intuitive and interesting
If a Muay Thai kicks at the legs, that shit will hurt
Systema training fucking hurts, but there is no style it cannot improve. Start with the video "Let every breath" because breathing IS Systema.
Ain't nobody got time for that.
VADIM STAROV BIG RESPECT FOR YOU :)
But Systema isn't just a theory. It's fucking battle proven. I'd prefer to train in something that doesn't have rules. Because honestly, if some fucker jumps me, I'll fight dirty idgaf. You can get shanked in the kidney 47 times because. "In BJJ we're not supposed to kick when you're down, or in the eyes/face."
There's a serious difference between martial disciplines when one is used FOR REAL, and the other just for sport.
He looks like Ross kemp
SAMBO = ART
SYSTEMA = JUST FOR $
im sure Systema is very effective but this guy is barley managing to defend against novice kickboxers that aren't even striking hard or fast. when he hooks the leg kick with his leg and spins the guy around.... that's not going to work against a hard fast kick from a muay thai fighter. remember kicks are usually thrown at the end of a combo