No problem: 285/75/r17 on Icon 6 Speed Rims with an OME Heavy lift and Slee diff drop. All I needed was to hammer the pinch weld and use a heat gun to push the liner away and I have zero rubbing and no spacers. This is a 33.8" tire.
@@ForgottenWaypoints I wonder what weight spring? "heavy" on slee It's sort of obscure a little. I am putting a slee rear bumber and will hang the spare there so I need heavy springs as well. Thanks for your great content and format!
@@samprokop, I got my lift from Cruiser Outfitters, OME lists it as "250-400lbs+" on the rear and 250+ on the front (with the HD torsion bars) Obviously, I don't have all the armor yet, so it's about a 3" lift, and my torsion bars are cranked to the max factory spec (only a pathetic 1.5" of droop). I anticipate when I get a rear and front bumper, it will sag about 1/2", which will allow me to relieve tension on the torsion bars and gain another 1/2" of flex and ride softness. I don't anticipate rubbing though, I still think I have plenty of space in the wheel wells.
I am looking at one 2004 under $10K with 245K miles on it, how much life left you think I get out of that engine, assuming there no major issues ? do you think I should go for it with that amount of miles?
@Checo1 I bought my 2006 Lx470 in 2018 from a Lexus dealer for $8400 with 243,000 miles. Driving strong but it came with a lot of corrosions at that time... no plan to sell it anytime soon at all... proud to drive it down the road every time. We don't see too many out there😮😅😅😅
Thank you for bringing up maintenance. I have an 04 LC. Another thing people skip is trans/center diff/rear diff fluids are recommended every 60k with light usage and 30k with heavier usage. Grease the driveshaft every oil change. Makes a noticeable difference as well. Solid video. Thank you.
2006 LX470 178K MILES, stock, original owner - the best vehicle we have owned and still own. Maintained according to schedule with the exception of the timing belt. I ran on borrowed time due to bad memory and replaced it at 168k together with water pump and a new radiator due to developing crack. Have replaced the struts at 120k miles. The engine starts like it is new. I cannot say enough praise about this vehicle!!
Let your brother take care of it for the remaining of its life.. give me the adress to pick it up with the tile on the driver seat. We don't have to meet😅😮😮 and you will be blessed for that my Brother.😂😅
Very nice job reviewing the LX470 I recently bought a used LX470 in pearl white. This video gave me a lot of information I didn’t know. I am looking forward to all the adventures
Sounds like I need to buy one and then park it at your place for a few sweet upgrades! Excellent review no doubt for a full-size SUV that is very capable off-road and can seat 8 it’s the best option on the market.
I’m convinced by your expert advice and honesty about availability of parts to go with the 100/LX470. I was hesitant to buy a 470 due to the timing belt, but your video has removed that hesitation! There are some deals out there for the 470 that don’t exist for the 80 & 200! Thank you! I’ve just subscribed!
@@ForgottenWaypoints Yep. Can confirm. Been back seat in my dads 2007 many times and the recline position is definitely adjustable. Night and day difference between that and the 1989 Landcruiser I grew up with. Still prefer the 89 though ;)
@@bogotstogoskiing , agreed! I also noticed that the 3rd row also reclines. I just didn't bother to check because that was so rare in early 2000s vehicles. Kind of a cool touch. The GX is the same way (and I did point that out in the GX review).
I've had many a relaxing lunch break nap in the back seat of my LX. Great feature. Yes, my '86 FJ60 didn't have this feature. I miss that one much though, for other reasons.
I love these trucks I have exactly same like yours 03 for more than 10 years. No issues at all. I JUST WISH THEY PRODUCE EXACT SAME MDOEL I WILL BUY IT AGAIN ❤️
This was an excellent video! Thank you for taking the time to break down all the pros and cons. Some of the forums get echo chambered and it’s really hard to get honest feedback on owning a 100 series. I am also a family of 5 and have the same off-road needs and desires you do so I am especially excited about your experience and feedback. I am looking at a few 100 series in SoCal right now and I would love to get your opinion on my options. Keep up the good work.
Daniel Lakhani I guess it depends on how you travel, but I would think family of 5 would be tight. We are a family of 4 and seems a bit tight at times in my LC. I am a really big fan of the LX, just couldn’t find one that drove nice, so ended up with an LC. When I took my LC to my mechanic for an inspection, his first comment was don’t buy it the maintenance costs are too high. 100% agree about the forums (and others) that talk about bullet proof reliability. Yes it’s reliable if you keep up with the maintenance and don’t have a total brake failure do to brake booster mentioned. I am looking at LXs again now and prices are even higher than when I bought my LC last year. If you can wait until early next year, there is some thought prices will come down a bit. If you want to learn some common inspection pointers, check out OTRAMM TH-cam channel. He has a 100 series video there. Good luck with your search.
@@leenestle OTRAMM is the best, a super long history with Cruisers going back to the 90s. I probably bought my first one because of him, in high school. My LX is the cheapest LC I've ever owned, actually. It wasn't beaten down and that helps. OEM parts by the PO, under warranty at the dealer...I am very thankful for that now.
So I was watching this because my buddy just got a 100. I'm thinking about getting one for my wife. I'm a long-time Toy nut and I've had many, including a triple-locked 80 (keeping that puppy!). I think this talked me into getting one. Maintenance isn't soo bad if you turn your own wrenches, but it hurts if I ever need the dealer. Thanks for the video!
I just got back from the Trifecta, Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar rim...no winching, no lockers, some bumper damage. Do I recommend it and would I do it again? Not until I was triple locked with better protection (bumpers) but the vehicle lightly modded w/Atrac will match the skill of most of us. I was impressed, despite the IFS.
@@ForgottenWaypoints So I just went trailing with the same friend today. I took my lifted T100 on 31's and he made me look like a noob. It's been years since he's been off-road and definitely never in anything as capable as a Landcruiser. I think he's a believer now. His 100 is small lift/All Terrain T/As/LandCruiser suspension swapped with an ARB and it made short work over stuff I struggled with. What a machine! We'll see how it hangs against my triple locked 80 when I get my fuel pump. I'm excited to do the LandCruiser thing again! Do you have any favorite Colorado spots?
I’ve had mine since new in 1999. Now 470,000kms. The variable ride height suspension died so we changed to stiffer coils, torsion bars and Konis all round. It has a fixed 2” lift now. It’s a brilliant car, but fuel consumption is atrocious, giving a range of just over 600kms on its 140L tanks. In Australia that’s almost useless for outback touring. Fitting headers didn’t help but it now sounds awesome. Next step is Unichip.
I love my 2003 LX470... drove 50K in 2 years doordashing... not the best vehicle to do so, but you gotta do what you gotta do... Now car has almost 280K on odo... but no major issues that would break a bank... just couple Franklin's here and there... but well worth it... i respect that car a lot and will never get rid or it... Built to last for sure!!!
I love my 1999 LC and enjoy working on it despite the cost of the parts. If I did not do the work myself there is no way I could afford ownership of this old yet timeless vehicle. Great video.
I was just under reclamping a CV boot that was leaking, I can't imagine having a dealer fix it, they'd replace the CV and I shudder to imagine the cost.
Parts (in my experience) are on par with repairs for lots of other vehicles. OEM for items can hit you over the head though, that's for sure. Usually, it's worth it - that part may last another 200k miles or 20 years.
Thank you! It's on the list. Both a comparison video and dedicated GX470 video. In fact, we took the GX to Colorado and Moab recently, so we have some pretty good footage to add to the vids!
You make me want to buy one of these! But then I remember I have 3 off road vehicles (4 if you count my Sequoia) and I don't need another one... From what I have seen with your rig, it truly is a great "all-around" vehicle.
I got rid of my 200 series 2017, it was a lot of money, I took it on a lot of trips and outfitted it pretty well. I found myself super annoyed at the range (I know I could have gotten a bigger tank but I was already at the limit for weight). I despised the stereo to a degree I just can't tell you how much it annoyed me. I hated the nav as well, it was notorious for taking a crazy amount of time to wake up. When it was stock, nothing done to it, it was amazing, but once I added roof rack, awnings and other stuff, the handling started to die off, and was weird at small frequency bumps on the freeway at 80mph. I had a goose gear system with a fridge, and all that, went all over with it, but it isn't the gem a lot of people act as though it is. My raptor got the same fuel economy (6.2) and was arguably better at the chop bumps at high speeds (obviously you would expect this, but the LC was going, I need more stuff). It did take me places that were epic mind you, where others struggled slipping and what not. One run I did, people with modified jeeps were asking "are you hitting?!" Nope. I have to watch my lines more carefully but it is OK. My point to this diatribe is, your rig probably handles the high speed chop better when outfitted, thanks to the torsion bars.
You might be right. I do more crawling than high speed, so I'd prefer a solid axle (a 105 series would have been epic), or coil overs next. I tolerate the torsion bars on my 100. They aren't bad, but not my favorite either.
Thanks! We are still planning it. Real life has been hectic to our filming schedules. In fact, I just did a bunch of maintenance on the LX and had filmed it for DIY vids and the camera was pointed at the wrong spot. Such bad luck and frustrating!
@@iscreamcandytv9642 Beats me-- I looked up the specs- and they're pretty much the same- ONE is like 2 inches wider- 4 inches longer- less leg room in back on one- etc. that type of thing-- other than that- the LX (which stands for LUXURY Crossover compared to GX Grand Crossover) is a bit fancier with more electronics and a little different look on the front- other than those SMALL differences- i can't see a lot of reason to pick ONE over the other-- still checking!! :)
Waow... 30k in 3 years😮😮 I only drive my Silver 2006 Lx470 less than 10k miles in 5 years 243,354 - 251,152 now. From May 2018 to June 2023.. still driving strong.
I have a 2001 with 300k on the clock and factory AHC, still going strong, knock on wood:) I did add Old Man Emu medium duty springs to the rear to help with weight!
@@cooperbarnes7808 Wow that's super low miles for a 2001, bet it's a pretty penny with that low of miles and the way car prices are lately! Just got an ARB front bumper for mine and slapped it on!
I’ve got an 06’ LX w/ 216k and just did a full maintenance on the torsion bars and AHC. Also put an ARB bumper on it and it’s handling it like a champ. This is my favorite rig of all time. Also have an 11’ LX570 for my wife that is stock except I swapped the 20” wheels for LC 18”. These vehicles will take us through the apocalypse.
I really liked this video because I am considering purchasing a Lexus for overlanding purposes. I’m looking for Lexus centric information that talks about picking a vehicle and modifying it into something capable.
Loved your take on the LX. As a long time driver of Land Cruiser, this is my first "Not Land Cruiser, Land Cruiser" I have owned since I got out of military in 70. I have owned dozens over the decades. My kids all drive LC's now as do my grandsons. I recently switched from my 80 to a 2009 Gx470. My body says its the best decision I ever made. Thus far, handles like a mountain goat off road in heavy trails, even in stock configuration. Look forward to seeing your Gx next to the LX. I am thinking of picking up a LX as well, as a second ride. Anyway. Good job.
Thanks! While the timing belt was off on the LX, I had the opportunity to take the GX to Moab and the San Juans of Colorado. While we didn't do any major trails, since the GX is a daily all it has is a tire upgrade, we did do Imogene Pass and a few legit runs so I think I have enough material to do the GX justice on both a review of its own and a comparison between the LX and GX. I've owned the GX about 6-7 months less than the LX and have only done lower control arms as far as maintenance is concerned. So there is that, although it is 5 years newer than the LX and so far 40k less miles...
Thank you! I know I've said this in reply to other comments, but we've got a fun lineup scheduled for 2021, but real life is taking a toll! Thanks for your compliment and being patient with us.
Current Landcruiser set up 1999 - 105 series - 4.2L diesel - manual - 270,000km (167,000 miles) Front bull bar UHF radio - Uniden UH400sx Snorkel Dual battery AT tyres 275/70 R16 Electric brakes module- came with it Roof rack Driving lights, bar and spotties Read drawers Diff breathers Recovery points at front Towbar Reverse camera Cruiser Wishlist Winch - front Suspension 2” lift AT tyres Fridge Fridge slide Diff locker front Diff locker rear 12v system Batterie - lithium Solar panels Sin wave 2000w inverter Camp lights Bash plates Maxtrax Fire extinguisher
Great review.. im thinking about getting an older lx 470. Just worried about reliability with engine and transmission etc.. I noticed you had on eddie bauer first ascent pants 🤣 i absolutely love mine. They are so comfortable.
Great review. What I got out of this is that the LX 470 is equivalent to a Honda VFR. It can do everything you ask within reason, and you'll never walk away amazed or disappointed, and while there are certainly better special-purpose vehicles, somehow 20+ years later you're still riding it because it does everything you need.
I just sold my 2001 LX470 with 274K miles. It ran great, but had a crack windshield and needed body work around the windshield due to rust. One thing to be aware of with LX470s is that the ignition lock cylinder barrel rod will break. Mine broke around 273K mark. Your car is dead unless you know how to fix it.
@@ForgottenWaypoints - Here's something I posted about doing the change. This feed has a lot of info from a lot of people on how to change it. forum.ih8mud.com/threads/busted-ignition.57050/page-19#post-13372824
Thanks for the detailed info, been considering LC100 for my next rig and soaking up all the info/opinions that I can. In your opinion any advantage/disadvantage in Lx470 vs Toyota Land Cruiser? Thanks
The Land Cruiser typically doesn't come with AHC, so if you are going to install a lift, it's easier. I feel the LX has superior interior materials (real wood instead of fake and more sound proofing insulation). And outside of that, it's whichever exterior design you like better
@@ForgottenWaypoints All true. I had the same dilemma. Couldn't find an LC I liked, to save my life. Was forced into an LX and did tons of research and test drives prior. This, coming from an FJ60, two FJ40s, and a Montero. Personally, I would now favor an LX, even with AHC - it's extremely useful. Find a good one with factory service (or specialist maintenance and full records). Many LXs are babied, and tend to be cheaper. The interiors are definitely better. Better stock audio. There's more sound deadening and the glass is a bit thicker. AHC is great when it works; mine is flawless at 250k. Things I dislike - the headlights/grill, the side cladding, and that it doesn't say Land Cruiser lol. The rest is a win on the LX. Don't hesitate.
Deffo agree unless you're rock climbing, keep the ahc. I think it's beautifully comfortable, and a better option for use on highway (set it low) and off road (set it high) for 95% of us overlanders.
As a Aussie, it is so funny to hear our brand “Old Man Emu” pronounced “Emooo”. We pronounce it the British way of “eem-you”. So funny how Americans drop the pronunciation of some words!!!
I just came across you review and appreciate the added information on other maintenance that you’ve had to do. So I am new to Landcruiser 100/LX470 models. Is the LX470 made by Toyota?
Yes, it's the exact same vehicle as the 100 series Land cruiser just with more standard options and Lexus cladding. Since they sold more in the US, they are easier to find.
Hey brent, fellow LX470 owner and everything that I've had to say about the 100, you've said it already. I think what every prospective 100 series buyer needs to know is that these vehicles aren't cheap to run or purchase. Most buyers will think that reliability and durability means cheap to run. However, that is far from the case and these 100s will be on par with a LR/Range Rover to run in terms of cost. Parts are 99% OE/OEM to run these things right because the aftermarket just can't produce the same quality to Toyota. Also what is frustrating is that I too have run into discontinued parts/sold out completely. Just last week, the plastic brake clips have become brittle and broken, tried going to the local dealer to pick them up: unavailable, go onto Partsouq ready to pay $25 shipping, part is unavabilable and no longer produced, and are exclusive to 100 series. How are your rattles? I got rid of my AHC for a Radflo 2.5RR with 2865 springs, no aftermarket bumpers or anything, mine became a rattle box overnight after getting rid of AHC.
@@ForgottenWaypoints Ive fixed all my suspension rattles, but its my interior bits and pieces that rattle making it a rattle box. All in insulation of the Lexus just makes the interior rattles more apparent. Whereas if it was a Silverado or 4Runner, it wouldn't be as annoying because all the other outside noises and vibrations are mixed in. Big thing that fixed a lot of my suspension rattles was doing the diff mount bushings.
That Lexus Link message would drive me INSANE...I had a 2017 Trax and the "Your On Star Is Connected to Limited Services" message made me want to launch off a cliff every morning before driving to work... I have a 2012 GX460 now...it does not have that message :)
Yeah, the message started when they swapped from an analog to digital service, that reminds you just how long ago 2003 was. I guess Lexus would upgrade/disable it for a time, but that window is far past. I thought it'd bother me more than it does, but now it's kind of a joke. What was funny is when my parents bought a new RX and when my youngest kid went for a ride he said, "Grandpa's RX doesn't have a Lexus Link Error. It's not as good as ours." Lol.
Excellent video Thank you! As a GX470 owner, I took some offense after the statement about the seat ride height. The GX's seat is not much lower than the 100-series, in fact, they are nearly the same. 09:55 There is nothing "car-like" about that seat position in my opinion. The GX is a bit taller and narrower than the LX too. I agree that the higher center of gravity is not GX's friend, but being narrower than the big brother, makes it a trail beast!!! Seriously contemplating to subscribe to your channel! I'm going to check out your GX footage first though to confirm! :)
Informative video. Thanks for the info. I completely agree on the suspension part. I changed the Stock to Ironman cell foam pro. I am really enjoying the change. Now looking for 33s wheel tire combo. What wheel and tire you run. Seems like you have icon 17 inch .
Thanks! I'm running 33.8" (285/75R17) BFG KO2s on Icon 17's. No spacers, just the OME lift and diff drop. Had to pound the pinch weld and mold the plastic back.
I have a question. Did you let the computer do its thing by itself without touching anything? From my understanding i thought you have to let the computer build up traction slowly. Which may take awhile. All you have to do is steer straight maybe. I dont know. Correct me if im wrong. I loved the video. Glad you were able to get out. I love toyotas
No, atrac just measures slip, when a wheel slips it pulses the brakes to swap torque wheel speed between sides. The trick is to keep the throttle steady, if you let off...you lose momentum. If you give it more, it can slip more and then pulse more, losing momentum again. Just enough throttle for it to activate and keep it constant is what I find works best. It's somewhat of a skill actually.
Hello, excellent video, I have a 2002 lx470 with the ahc system deactivated, I have installed the OME rear suspension, but in the front I have only adjusted the torsion bars and I am not satisfied with the appearance because I see it still very low from the front, What is the way you recommend to raise the front part at least 2" more. Thank you and congratulaciones.
It took me 3-4 tries to index the preload enough to get the lift I needed. In fact, a few months ago I dialed the front back about 1/2-1" to get more front flex (I had it raised to high). But if you don't have enough preload on the t-bars, you'll run out of adjustment before you get to your desired height. There are lots of threads on Mud. Good luck!!!
I agree what you say about the AHC but you can not put bumpers from and back, rock sliders, roof rack and all your gear in your car with AHC it's just to heavy
Have you owned a Discovery 2? If so, how does the drive feel compared to the Disco? Beyond the windows, I guess I'm just going to miss the Land Rover feeling of driving mine.
I have a Disco 2 in my garage right now. In fact, I have a review on my channel. The biggest thing is size. The LX is like a Range Rover. It's whisper quiet. Seats are comfortable. Arm room. Lots of arm room! Seating position is high, but the Disco viewing angles are still superior. The Discovery 2 is like a refined Jeep TJ because of the 100" wheelbase. It can dart through traffic, it FEELS and drives small. The LX is refined. The independent suspension soaks up the pavement. It's quiet. It's larger on and off the trail. Both are fun to drive. The LX obviously has more power, but off road the Disco with a lower geared transfer case shines well. You can modulate the throttle better, I feel, on the D2 and the LX takes more skill due to the IFS (lack of flex) and how big it is. Honestly, the LX is a better "overland platform" from a quality, noise/vibration/harshness and comfort standpoint. That's not a knock on the D2, the LX was meant to compete with an L322 Range Rover and exceed an LR3, not a Series II Disco. th-cam.com/video/hWyN0qF666s/w-d-xo.html
Forgotten Waypoints, I was wondering if that’s what you were doing. I was leveraged on the side of my garage wall and my fender, got a great core workout that day. On the brake booster, did your brakes actually fail or did you do it preventively?
need to add the dreaded ABS Accumulator/Pup+Master Cylinder repair.... min 3.5K for entire swap. Seems like it affects almost every Toyota/Lexus that no one really harps on... Damn thing set me back saving up for a ICON stage 3 suspension....
I had that problem. I did a $400 motor rebuild only to find that it was my temrinals on the unit that was bad. So I went for a rebuilt unit for $700. I'll mention more about it when I do a focused owners/buyers guide. I would have burned the cruiser to the ground for a dealer quoted $3,500. These rigs are not cheap to maintain.
@@ForgottenWaypoints thats makes sense but at 178K on my rig - and I use it for the family - I rather just replace it all and not have the worry - saw alot of folks going back 12mo later to replace other parts. plenty ih8mud posts about those issues.
@@albertyulee8763 , Yup, this and the "boiling gas" will definitely be harped on in the next video. Last year was a suspension refresh and the brake booster. This year is the timing belt. If next year is another multi-thousand dollar repair, the LX470 will be up for sale and I won't shed a tear. What's the point of legendary Toyota reliability if it costs your $1,000+ per year in parts??
Not sure if you guys sold your rigs yet haha. But I’ve had my 98 LC for 6 months. Done a ton of preventative maintenance and it’s not stopping anytime soon. I will need to do the MC brake job sooner or later. Granted my rig has 290k and counting. But yea, we don’t talk enough about how much it costs to keep these “bulletproof” rigs running. Anyhow just wanted to share and thanks for the content/video.
It's good that you brought up that these vehicles are expensive to maintain. I bought my yota 100 last year and since then it's definitely been a money pit. 5 grand in cats and O2 sensors, $1800 timing belt/water pump service, and about to get the front wheel bearings worked on in addition to some scheduled maintenance items.
I built a 2000 Land Rover Discovery Expedition truck with ARB bumpers, front and rear lockers, a roof rack and a Pelican fold-up tent. A great truck for Moab, but horrible to drive to CA from CO on I-70 with a low-powered 4 liter engine. I bought a 2004 Discovery and had the dealer swap all the parts from the 200 to the 2004, but given the engine was only a 4.5 the Interstate performance was still. an issue. My 2003 Cruiser was much better on the Interstate, but the this heave truck also needed more power. But the 2003 Cruiser was awesome for car camping above tree line on Imogene Pass, CO and then driving over the 13K summit into Telluride for breakfast and coffee! After buying a 2008 200 Series Cruiser, it seemed I had finally found heaven! But...the 5.7 engine has numerous and very expensive potential failures like starters, water pumps, secondary air injection pumps, and other very expensive potential repair bills. So now I no longer have any interest in building another truck. All things considered, my 2003 Cruiser would have been the one to keep, but now I have decided to ride my street legal 2023 KTM 350 EXC-F dual sport around the many awesome trails that are 10-20 minutes from my garage. Great video and choice of truck, I think the 2003 and 2004 LX470/Land Cruiser are the best choices for the trails seen in this video. Thank you for sharing your adventures with us!
I bought a 99 LC two years ago 50k miles 190 to a little over 240 now. I have put 5k in getting serviced but only paid 3200. Have driven it all across country. I’m itching for a 200 now for some reason.
Is there a particular year you recommend for a GX470? I'm looking to do some weekend 4 wheeling with my kid and thought it looked like a good choice. Would you prefer a 4 Runner or an GX470.
GX470 for me, unless I could find a V8 4Runner in leather for a similar price. As for year, whatever you can afford that's in the best shape. The early ones had some issues with corrosion of the rear AC lines, but that's about it.
I think so, I like them both. The extra room in the LX is a game changer for a growing family. My kids are still young so the GX is a better road trip car because it gets better mpg and is easier to maneuver. The seats are significantly more comfortable in the LX.. The rest I'll save for the video! ;)
@@ForgottenWaypoints thanks for putting together this review and the one on your GX! Speaking of the VVT engine, any reason you went with a non-VVT for your LC100 over a newer model with? I've heard you "can tell a difference" as you mentioned, but wondering if there was another reason you went that route? Thanks!
@@bigwavedave2550 , yeah, I went non VVT because the '08 I was going to look at sold, and they said this '03 was in the shop (trade in) and not listed yet. I said I'd buy it. To me, the extra HP isn't as big of a deal as the 5-speed auto and strong front diff. I'm not sure how much harder it is to do the timing belt yet, we will find out when I dig into the GX!! Thanks for watching!
@@ForgottenWaypoints Ha, ok that makes total sense. Nice to have first dibs on something like this. I would assume the TB service is the same except for maybe the initial TDC setting and making sure the cams don't move, but that's what timing marks are for. I don't have experience with Toyota's yet but from what I've seen on YT the job looks to be easier access than the Honda V6's TB's replacements I've done 😅. Thanks for the response!
Upper and lower ball joints are 555. Everything else is original OEM (factory bushings and control arms). I tried to do tie rod ends at the same time, but everyone was sold out
When you fold up the back seat, you need to slide it to the rear of the vehicle when it is vertical, it will allow the seat to fold closer to the side of the car…
@@ForgottenWaypoints how’d you get the 270HP or you just saying in general? Does yours have the the 4spd tranny or 5? Sorry for all the questions. I’m searching for some LXs now and I’m trying to see if a 5k difference for the VVTI engine is worth it, since this will be my daily driver/rig
@@joshuae6405 I'm a 5spd and non-vvt. I have VVT in my GX and it does feel peppier, but if I had a choice, I get non VVT everytime, cheaper to maintain and easier to work on. But the 5-spd is nice, you also get the 4-pinion front diff, so lots of nice upgrades 03+.
Ok I see now you’ve had it for a while. I don’t think you need any more advice :). That 100 is a great truck. I think you nailed it all pretty well. Especially the part about the motor. Btw, the maintenance costs crop up on a vehicle that still EXISTS when damn near every other platform is already off the road. And you think the 100 has maintenance? I entertain dumping my 80 every two years when I have to do coolant and especially that birf job. Makes me nuts.
My biggest gripe with hundy maintenance is the cost. It's crazy how expensive some components are. The GX is more affordable. But I like the LX more ;).
@@ForgottenWaypoints Gimme an example other than the timing belt which honestly the interval is 90-100k which 100 owners think is maintenance cuz you’ll do it 4-6 times in its life.. CVs are pretty cheap. Brakes, rotors, belts, alternators, unjoints, all good. My neighbor has BMWs. He says it costs him $1.50 per mile to own them. He has to replace rotors on EVERY brake job and he does the brakes every 20k as an example. 100s don’t need much compared to the 80 (coolant, transmission fluid, etc). I see some stuff needing replacement when they get old like I did all my diff bearings, axles, drive shafts but that was when it had 200k and even those were pretty reasonable. Jeeps don’t exist at 200k, at least nowhere near the rate 100s do.
Frame coating sucks, you'll spend ages with POR 15, charcoal canister is horrible and $600, brake booster fails, $2500+ or a reman, CV shafts aren't cheap, but built well, timing belt job is still $1k+ to do right, front ABS sensors are junk (OEM has zip tied brackets), it's a press fit (rust issue) and is $400. China knockoffs are $20. The rear sensors are fine, it's almost like two separate crews designed them. It's built well, but requires a lot of TLC. I've owned 2 rovers, 2 jeeps, and 1 hummer H3 and a GX470 and all combined were cheaper to own at the same mileage than my Hundy, and my Hundy was dealer serviced from day 1. I still love my cruiser for many reasons (many listed in the vid), but she's not cheap to own, on the contrary it's been $$. Now I'm dealing with "boiling fuel", research that one, it's a flat out Toyota design flaw. If I sell the hundy, it will be because of that. In the meantime, I'm working on some extra heat shielding.
@@ForgottenWaypoints CVs could be had for < $200 with several options from Kurt. Take your word for the ABS sensors. The booster shocks me. To the point I’m almost gonna do some googling. :) Same with the fuel. These things are ubiquitous around the globe. The Rovers and Jeeps, well I have admittedly anecdotal experience with them and it’s colored my already extremely biased opinions of the Toyota ownership experience. Sorry you’ve had such bad luck.
I haven't calculated the numbers yet, but when both were stock (no lift), I was getting roughly 1, maybe 2 more MPG in the GX. And that seems to be inline with the EPA (12 city, 16 highway, 13 combined). That said, I went to San Rafael Swell and followed a Jeep JL with a roof top tent (only doing 65mph) and I got nearly 19mpg with a lift and 34" tires. I was stoked. Did the same route a few weeks later at 80mph and got about 13-14!
Need some help. I’m looking into a 2006 Lexus LX470 with 119k for $23k. It’s a southern car so I’m assuming not many rust if any? Think it’s still worth buying for $23k?
You are going to get mixed opinions on this and the used car market right now is very expensive. If it's clean enough, I'd consider it. I almost bought one at that price that had night vision, but was also lower miles. At that price I'd also consider a JK Rubicon because of the technical terrain advantages.
As long as you are good with the gas mileage, I think it makes a good daily driver. Visibility is amazing. Need to find the right example, you can double your price if it has not been well maintained. Also find a good Indy mechanic if not working on it yourself.
Yeah, it was a single owner trade in I purchased before it was even cleaned. It was roughly $15k for an '03 with around 100k, I can't remember the exact mileage, and still had surface rust I wasn't pleased with. It's hard to find hundys in Utah, a later model for $20k and night vision sold mere hours after it was posted. It was the Lexus salesman who tipped me off on "one they just got on trade" and I said "I'll take it, I'm coming now."
@@jaymoar3561 , yup; just passed 150k. Planning on doing a drain fill of the transmission as soon as I get a weekend and then doing it again at 170k. I'll probably drop the pan and inspect the filter at 200k. It's so clean with zero leaks I don't really want to bust into it!
I'm happy with it, I know meant who don't like it though. It is more firm and truck like, but I was never a fan of "floaty". I keep my AHC on sport on both the LX (when it had it) and the GX.
Great video Sir, I currently have five hundys (4 LXs 1 LC) but no '03 model. Very good info you shared overall but I have to push back on a few items. "Toyota loves maintenance" I totally and respectfully disagree. If anything, I would say some, maybe most, Toyota Land Cruiser/LX owners love to do maintenance, needed or not. Most "maintenance" that owners do is not "needed" and creates a skewed cost of ownership curve. For instance, a brake booster you mentioned is not at all routine maintenance as you described. That issue might happen once in a LX lifetime. I may have the brakes go out on all five of mine today, but so far I've have never had to replace a LC/LX470 brake booster. The suspension corrosion is also not routine maintenance nor is it Toyotas fault the LX was driven in perhaps salty conditions or some other corrosion causing conditions. That will not happen everywhere although the LX can be driven everywhere. The charcoal cannister is not routine maintenance. That is also a once in a LX lifetime item. I may have all five of mine go out today but I have never had issues nor had to replace a charcoal cannister in my LX470s. I agree the 4.7 V8 could very well be the best engine ever. It's been out of this world good to me. But held together by a "rubber band". That is nuts. The "rubber band" timing belt you're referring to is as dependable as the engine itself. Regarding the timing belt service work on pre-2006 engines, it absolutely does not have to be done at 90-100k. The belt, water pump, etc. can and will consistently give you twice the life span if it is not taken out prmaturely for the fun of it. And safely. If the belt happens to break, which is extremely rare even at over 200K miles, or the water pump goes out, then replace it with no harm to the noninterference engine. I could buy several used LXs with the money most owners pay for premature timing belt work at $700-1500 a pop. I currently have several hundys with near or over 200k on the timing belt and water pumps. If the belt happens to break or I hear the water pump bearing rattling then I will replace it. In 24 years of owning 12 LX/LCs, including several 80 series, I have had to replace one water pump. And that was a a new pump the previous owner had it installed before me. I agree, the coolant and cooling system is just about the most important issue with the LX. However, changing the coolant when it actually is needed is extremely easy and cheap to do. The LX470/Land Cruiser is as bombproof as a vehicle has been made.
I wish I had the luck of just one of your land cruisers. Your experience is why I bought my LX in the first place. I expected that, especially with a rig that was well maintained and with a full dealer service history. I still love my LX, but I've gotta be upfront about my ownership costs.
So Richie, the way prices are going now. Do you think its more sensible to try and find a mall queen and pay the premium (which still might need repairs) or buy cheap and accept the risk and maybe come out ahead? Asking as someone who will probably have to pay a mechanic...
Agree with this 1000%. My experience as well. People that have these issues were either unlucky or purchased a rig that wasn't well-maintained throughout it's life. That said, never had a vehicle you can defer so much maintenance on and still be as reliable as they are.
@@AlwynSchoeman Mall queen with factory service records, hopefully under warranty. I paid the premium for that piece of mind. My 02 with 210k miles was probably $2k over what I normally would pay, but was pristine with a solid history of pampering. I'm over 250k of real use, how you would use a Cruiser, and about $2,000 of maintenance total, much of which was baselining when I bought it. Front bearings are a bear - I paid someone to do mine, 2nd set as far as I can tell. I think that was $800. I could still have something catastrophic occur but hopefully I'm ready. I have a specialist mechanic that tells me what I can and cannot do.
@@AlwynSchoeman Your two options are both extremes. I never pay a premium for anything other than my bow and maybe boots. I just bought a mall queen for $2500. So I got both options. The key to a good deal is always in the buy and the key to that is previous history and knowing what to expect to maintain based on history. Like most any search for a deal, is being educated on what to look for.
Is it possible to post your exact wheel and tire combo please. I am very interested in setting up something similar.
No problem: 285/75/r17 on Icon 6 Speed Rims with an OME Heavy lift and Slee diff drop. All I needed was to hammer the pinch weld and use a heat gun to push the liner away and I have zero rubbing and no spacers. This is a 33.8" tire.
@@ForgottenWaypoints I wonder what weight spring? "heavy" on slee It's sort of obscure a little. I am putting a slee rear bumber and will hang the spare there so I need heavy springs as well. Thanks for your great content and format!
@@samprokop, I got my lift from Cruiser Outfitters, OME lists it as "250-400lbs+" on the rear and 250+ on the front (with the HD torsion bars)
Obviously, I don't have all the armor yet, so it's about a 3" lift, and my torsion bars are cranked to the max factory spec (only a pathetic 1.5" of droop).
I anticipate when I get a rear and front bumper, it will sag about 1/2", which will allow me to relieve tension on the torsion bars and gain another 1/2" of flex and ride softness.
I don't anticipate rubbing though, I still think I have plenty of space in the wheel wells.
Hey man. Whats the offset on the wheels. I don't think you mentioned that 🤔
@@ForgottenWaypoints Thank you. Sorry, I wrote to early in the video.
2002 LX470. 18 months in. 261,000 miles and counting. Love this thing. Daily driver, weekend off-roader. It does it all.
I'm buying an 02 this weekend. Hoping to have the same luck!
I am looking at one 2004 under $10K with 245K miles on it, how much life left you think I get out of that engine, assuming there no major issues ? do you think I should go for it with that amount of miles?
@Checo1 I bought my 2006 Lx470 in 2018 from a Lexus dealer for $8400 with 243,000 miles. Driving strong but it came with a lot of corrosions at that time... no plan to sell it anytime soon at all... proud to drive it down the road every time. We don't see too many out there😮😅😅😅
Thank you for bringing up maintenance. I have an 04 LC. Another thing people skip is trans/center diff/rear diff fluids are recommended every 60k with light usage and 30k with heavier usage. Grease the driveshaft every oil change. Makes a noticeable difference as well. Solid video. Thank you.
Yeah, I need to hit my transmission and do a drain/fill this winter (already have the fluid). I've changed both diffs, just the T-case left.
2006 LX470 178K MILES, stock, original owner - the best vehicle we have owned and still own. Maintained according to schedule with the exception of the timing belt. I ran on borrowed time due to bad memory and replaced it at 168k together with water pump and a new radiator due to developing crack. Have replaced the struts at 120k miles. The engine starts like it is new. I cannot say enough praise about this vehicle!!
Let your brother take care of it for the remaining of its life.. give me the adress to pick it up with the tile on the driver seat. We don't have to meet😅😮😮 and you will be blessed for that my Brother.😂😅
What was the condition of the original belt at 168k miles? Glad to hear it lasted that long, how old was it?
Amazing video.
Easily the best and most honest and real on TH-cam. Legend.
Hahah thanks! I'd like to get to legend status, I'm not quite there yet!
My AHC has taking on the Rubicon twice with 300k on the clock, I will rock it until it craps out, works great!
Awesome! I'm too fond of my sheet metal to put it through that course, I saw what the granite did to my dad's rock sliders! Very impressive.
Very nice job reviewing the LX470 I recently bought a used LX470 in pearl white. This video gave me a lot of information I didn’t know. I am looking forward to all the adventures
Sounds like I need to buy one and then park it at your place for a few sweet upgrades! Excellent review no doubt for a full-size SUV that is very capable off-road and can seat 8 it’s the best option on the market.
Thank you for the great and thorough review! Super helpful.
I am looking to purchase a LX 460. Glad to hear you are giving it a thumbs up!!
Do you mean 470? Or 450 80series
@@leadfarmer5035 Probably a GX
I’m convinced by your expert advice and honesty about availability of parts to go with the 100/LX470. I was hesitant to buy a 470 due to the timing belt, but your video has removed that hesitation! There are some deals out there for the 470 that don’t exist for the 80 & 200! Thank you! I’ve just subscribed!
I went for a 460 due to timing chain. But they are both solid vehicles.
The timing belt is pretty easy on these, you just need the special Crank pulley tool, a torque wrench, etc.
FYI, the middle seats are adjustable and can recline a good amount for some good rest after a long day for the kiddos.
Thanks, I'll have to test that out. I did know that.
@@ForgottenWaypoints Yep. Can confirm. Been back seat in my dads 2007 many times and the recline position is definitely adjustable. Night and day difference between that and the 1989 Landcruiser I grew up with. Still prefer the 89 though ;)
@@bogotstogoskiing , agreed! I also noticed that the 3rd row also reclines. I just didn't bother to check because that was so rare in early 2000s vehicles. Kind of a cool touch. The GX is the same way (and I did point that out in the GX review).
I've had many a relaxing lunch break nap in the back seat of my LX. Great feature. Yes, my '86 FJ60 didn't have this feature. I miss that one much though, for other reasons.
I love these trucks I have exactly same like yours 03 for more than 10 years. No issues at all. I JUST WISH THEY PRODUCE EXACT SAME MDOEL I WILL BUY IT AGAIN ❤️
This was an excellent video! Thank you for taking the time to break down all the pros and cons. Some of the forums get echo chambered and it’s really hard to get honest feedback on owning a 100 series. I am also a family of 5 and have the same off-road needs and desires you do so I am especially excited about your experience and feedback. I am looking at a few 100 series in SoCal right now and I would love to get your opinion on my options. Keep up the good work.
Daniel Lakhani I guess it depends on how you travel, but I would think family of 5 would be tight. We are a family of 4 and seems a bit tight at times in my LC. I am a really big fan of the LX, just couldn’t find one that drove nice, so ended up with an LC. When I took my LC to my mechanic for an inspection, his first comment was don’t buy it the maintenance costs are too high. 100% agree about the forums (and others) that talk about bullet proof reliability. Yes it’s reliable if you keep up with the maintenance and don’t have a total brake failure do to brake booster mentioned. I am looking at LXs again now and prices are even higher than when I bought my LC last year. If you can wait until early next year, there is some thought prices will come down a bit. If you want to learn some common inspection pointers, check out OTRAMM TH-cam channel. He has a 100 series video there. Good luck with your search.
@@leenestle OTRAMM is the best, a super long history with Cruisers going back to the 90s. I probably bought my first one because of him, in high school. My LX is the cheapest LC I've ever owned, actually. It wasn't beaten down and that helps. OEM parts by the PO, under warranty at the dealer...I am very thankful for that now.
One of your best videos yet. Keep up the great work.
Thanks! Constant improvement is all I try for.
So I was watching this because my buddy just got a 100. I'm thinking about getting one for my wife. I'm a long-time Toy nut and I've had many, including a triple-locked 80 (keeping that puppy!). I think this talked me into getting one. Maintenance isn't soo bad if you turn your own wrenches, but it hurts if I ever need the dealer. Thanks for the video!
I just got back from the Trifecta, Poison Spider, Golden Spike, and Gold Bar rim...no winching, no lockers, some bumper damage. Do I recommend it and would I do it again? Not until I was triple locked with better protection (bumpers) but the vehicle lightly modded w/Atrac will match the skill of most of us. I was impressed, despite the IFS.
@@ForgottenWaypoints So I just went trailing with the same friend today. I took my lifted T100 on 31's and he made me look like a noob. It's been years since he's been off-road and definitely never in anything as capable as a Landcruiser. I think he's a believer now. His 100 is small lift/All Terrain T/As/LandCruiser suspension swapped with an ARB and it made short work over stuff I struggled with. What a machine! We'll see how it hangs against my triple locked 80 when I get my fuel pump. I'm excited to do the LandCruiser thing again!
Do you have any favorite Colorado spots?
I have the Toyota sibling 105 series with solid axles front and rear and love it.
A unicorn over here. I'm jealous
Nice to see Hammond finally hit that growth spurt.
Hahah. If only I was half as good and driving and reviewing as he is!
I’ve had mine since new in 1999. Now 470,000kms. The variable ride height suspension died so we changed to stiffer coils, torsion bars and Konis all round. It has a fixed 2” lift now. It’s a brilliant car, but fuel consumption is atrocious, giving a range of just over 600kms on its 140L tanks. In Australia that’s almost useless for outback touring. Fitting headers didn’t help but it now sounds awesome. Next step is Unichip.
Yeah, the gas mileage is an issue, even in the US. Not for range, but for cost per mile, especially with a roof rack!
You had me at HAM radio! KN4OKX 73’s!!!
I love my 2003 LX470... drove 50K in 2 years doordashing... not the best vehicle to do so, but you gotta do what you gotta do...
Now car has almost 280K on odo... but no major issues that would break a bank... just couple Franklin's here and there... but well worth it... i respect that car a lot and will never get rid or it...
Built to last for sure!!!
How's it doing now 3 years later and how many miles?
I love my 1999 LC and enjoy working on it despite the cost of the parts. If I did not do the work myself there is no way I could afford ownership of this old yet timeless vehicle. Great video.
I was just under reclamping a CV boot that was leaking, I can't imagine having a dealer fix it, they'd replace the CV and I shudder to imagine the cost.
Parts (in my experience) are on par with repairs for lots of other vehicles. OEM for items can hit you over the head though, that's for sure. Usually, it's worth it - that part may last another 200k miles or 20 years.
Do a comparison with your GX470!! Awesome content and info!!!
Thank you! It's on the list. Both a comparison video and dedicated GX470 video. In fact, we took the GX to Colorado and Moab recently, so we have some pretty good footage to add to the vids!
You make me want to buy one of these! But then I remember I have 3 off road vehicles (4 if you count my Sequoia) and I don't need another one...
From what I have seen with your rig, it truly is a great "all-around" vehicle.
Trade one of them on a 200 series.. ;).
I got rid of my 200 series 2017, it was a lot of money, I took it on a lot of trips and outfitted it pretty well. I found myself super annoyed at the range (I know I could have gotten a bigger tank but I was already at the limit for weight). I despised the stereo to a degree I just can't tell you how much it annoyed me. I hated the nav as well, it was notorious for taking a crazy amount of time to wake up. When it was stock, nothing done to it, it was amazing, but once I added roof rack, awnings and other stuff, the handling started to die off, and was weird at small frequency bumps on the freeway at 80mph.
I had a goose gear system with a fridge, and all that, went all over with it, but it isn't the gem a lot of people act as though it is. My raptor got the same fuel economy (6.2) and was arguably better at the chop bumps at high speeds (obviously you would expect this, but the LC was going, I need more stuff). It did take me places that were epic mind you, where others struggled slipping and what not. One run I did, people with modified jeeps were asking "are you hitting?!" Nope. I have to watch my lines more carefully but it is OK. My point to this diatribe is, your rig probably handles the high speed chop better when outfitted, thanks to the torsion bars.
You might be right. I do more crawling than high speed, so I'd prefer a solid axle (a 105 series would have been epic), or coil overs next. I tolerate the torsion bars on my 100. They aren't bad, but not my favorite either.
Would love to see a comparison between the GX470 and LX 470
Thanks! We are still planning it. Real life has been hectic to our filming schedules. In fact, I just did a bunch of maintenance on the LX and had filmed it for DIY vids and the camera was pointed at the wrong spot. Such bad luck and frustrating!
Lx way better
ME TOO-- i'm looking at ONE or the OTHER... but havne't seen much to tell the difference.
@@davidwayne9982 what about now? I’m in same spot. Which one. LOL 2004-2007
@@iscreamcandytv9642 Beats me-- I looked up the specs- and they're pretty much the same- ONE is like 2 inches wider- 4 inches longer- less leg room in back on one- etc. that type of thing-- other than that- the LX (which stands for LUXURY Crossover compared to GX Grand Crossover) is a bit fancier with more electronics and a little different look on the front- other than those SMALL differences- i can't see a lot of reason to pick ONE over the other-- still checking!! :)
Fantastic, well put together video. Very informative and entertaining.
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Waow... 30k in 3 years😮😮 I only drive my Silver 2006 Lx470 less than 10k miles in 5 years 243,354 - 251,152 now. From May 2018 to June 2023.. still driving strong.
It was a daily for awhile. I’ve put less miles on it annually recently. Coming up on 180k now for me.
i had 2001 now i have 2006 love it
I have a 2001 with 300k on the clock and factory AHC, still going strong, knock on wood:) I did add Old Man Emu medium duty springs to the rear to help with weight!
I'm currently looking at a 2001 with 108,000 miles I just have to hope they'll be willing to pay more than my car is worth.
@@cooperbarnes7808 Wow that's super low miles for a 2001, bet it's a pretty penny with that low of miles and the way car prices are lately! Just got an ARB front bumper for mine and slapped it on!
Awesome info.
Very well organized.
Thanks.
what an awesome review
Looking forward to the comparison woth the gx 470!!!
We just got back from Colorado with the GX (Imogene Pass, Granby Lake, etc.), so I'm excited to put the footage/comparison together.
I'd be interested to see how second row legroom compares
I’ve got an 06’ LX w/ 216k and just did a full maintenance on the torsion bars and AHC. Also put an ARB bumper on it and it’s handling it like a champ. This is my favorite rig of all time. Also have an 11’ LX570 for my wife that is stock except I swapped the 20” wheels for LC 18”. These vehicles will take us through the apocalypse.
Do you still have the 570? I'd love to eventually get one of those
Thanks for excellent review
I really liked this video because I am considering purchasing a Lexus for overlanding purposes. I’m looking for Lexus centric information that talks about picking a vehicle and modifying it into something capable.
For the LX470, it's just like the 100 series, you'll just have to deal with AHC.
great content man, thanks for all the info
Thanks for a great review of the LX470/ 100.
want to see the take on the gx. i'm trying to decide whether to go lx or gx
Loved your take on the LX. As a long time driver of Land Cruiser, this is my first "Not Land Cruiser, Land Cruiser" I have owned since I got out of military in 70.
I have owned dozens over the decades. My kids all drive LC's now as do my grandsons. I recently switched from my 80 to a 2009 Gx470. My body says its the best decision I ever made. Thus far, handles like a mountain goat off road in heavy trails, even in stock configuration. Look forward to seeing your Gx next to the LX. I am thinking of picking up a LX as well, as a second ride. Anyway. Good job.
Thanks! While the timing belt was off on the LX, I had the opportunity to take the GX to Moab and the San Juans of Colorado. While we didn't do any major trails, since the GX is a daily all it has is a tire upgrade, we did do Imogene Pass and a few legit runs so I think I have enough material to do the GX justice on both a review of its own and a comparison between the LX and GX.
I've owned the GX about 6-7 months less than the LX and have only done lower control arms as far as maintenance is concerned. So there is that, although it is 5 years newer than the LX and so far 40k less miles...
Excellent and well thought and delivered content. I have also subscribed.
Thank you! I know I've said this in reply to other comments, but we've got a fun lineup scheduled for 2021, but real life is taking a toll! Thanks for your compliment and being patient with us.
Current Landcruiser set up
1999 - 105 series - 4.2L diesel - manual - 270,000km (167,000 miles)
Front bull bar
UHF radio - Uniden UH400sx
Snorkel
Dual battery
AT tyres 275/70 R16
Electric brakes module- came with it
Roof rack
Driving lights, bar and spotties
Read drawers
Diff breathers
Recovery points at front
Towbar
Reverse camera
Cruiser Wishlist
Winch - front
Suspension 2” lift
AT tyres
Fridge
Fridge slide
Diff locker front
Diff locker rear
12v system
Batterie - lithium
Solar panels
Sin wave 2000w inverter
Camp lights
Bash plates
Maxtrax
Fire extinguisher
A 105 would be a dream in the USA. Sounds like an awesome rig.
Forgotten Waypoints it’s a shame you guys didn’t get the 105. They are a great unit
Great review.. im thinking about getting an older lx 470. Just worried about reliability with engine and transmission etc.. I noticed you had on eddie bauer first ascent pants 🤣 i absolutely love mine. They are so comfortable.
Yup, they are making a lined version now for the winter. I have to look into some.
Great review. What I got out of this is that the LX 470 is equivalent to a Honda VFR. It can do everything you ask within reason, and you'll never walk away amazed or disappointed, and while there are certainly better special-purpose vehicles, somehow 20+ years later you're still riding it because it does everything you need.
Great work dear,l love this machine 470❤️
I just sold my 2001 LX470 with 274K miles. It ran great, but had a crack windshield and needed body work around the windshield due to rust. One thing to be aware of with LX470s is that the ignition lock cylinder barrel rod will break. Mine broke around 273K mark. Your car is dead unless you know how to fix it.
That's one of the preventative jobs I want to do before making a "buyers guide". The windshield replacement seems a pain, being a riveted windshield.
@@ForgottenWaypoints - Here's something I posted about doing the change. This feed has a lot of info from a lot of people on how to change it. forum.ih8mud.com/threads/busted-ignition.57050/page-19#post-13372824
Great video. Great review. Thanx.
The front torsion bars do suck compared to the flex I get out of my 200, but once you slap lockers in the LX it will go anywhere!
I'm hoping to get a rear locker this next year.
Well done vid!
Thanks for the detailed info, been considering LC100 for my next rig and soaking up all the info/opinions that I can. In your opinion any advantage/disadvantage in Lx470 vs Toyota Land Cruiser? Thanks
The Land Cruiser typically doesn't come with AHC, so if you are going to install a lift, it's easier. I feel the LX has superior interior materials (real wood instead of fake and more sound proofing insulation). And outside of that, it's whichever exterior design you like better
@@ForgottenWaypoints All true. I had the same dilemma. Couldn't find an LC I liked, to save my life. Was forced into an LX and did tons of research and test drives prior. This, coming from an FJ60, two FJ40s, and a Montero. Personally, I would now favor an LX, even with AHC - it's extremely useful. Find a good one with factory service (or specialist maintenance and full records). Many LXs are babied, and tend to be cheaper. The interiors are definitely better. Better stock audio. There's more sound deadening and the glass is a bit thicker. AHC is great when it works; mine is flawless at 250k. Things I dislike - the headlights/grill, the side cladding, and that it doesn't say Land Cruiser lol. The rest is a win on the LX. Don't hesitate.
Beautiful. 😍😍
There is one near me with 170k on it for about 10k, seriously contemplating trading my Forester XT in for it if it weren't for gas pricing right now
Deffo agree unless you're rock climbing, keep the ahc. I think it's beautifully comfortable, and a better option for use on highway (set it low) and off road (set it high) for 95% of us overlanders.
Those rear seats were definitely an afterthought.
Really good job 👍
As a Aussie, it is so funny to hear our brand “Old Man Emu” pronounced “Emooo”. We pronounce it the British way of “eem-you”. So funny how Americans drop the pronunciation of some words!!!
I'll have to work on that!!
I just came across you review and appreciate the added information on other maintenance that you’ve had to do. So I am new to Landcruiser 100/LX470 models. Is the LX470 made by Toyota?
Yes, it's the exact same vehicle as the 100 series Land cruiser just with more standard options and Lexus cladding. Since they sold more in the US, they are easier to find.
The second and third rows are manually adjustable for recline...
I need to go test it out. I didn't know. I'll note that on the LX vs GX video.
You might want to get a BT45-TOY instead of that cassette adapter. You get perfectly clear audio as loud as those marc levinsons will blast
I want too, they are sold out! Once they are in stock, I'll pull the trigger. I need to refoam or replace the speakers, my sound is awful.
Hey brent, fellow LX470 owner and everything that I've had to say about the 100, you've said it already. I think what every prospective 100 series buyer needs to know is that these vehicles aren't cheap to run or purchase. Most buyers will think that reliability and durability means cheap to run. However, that is far from the case and these 100s will be on par with a LR/Range Rover to run in terms of cost. Parts are 99% OE/OEM to run these things right because the aftermarket just can't produce the same quality to Toyota. Also what is frustrating is that I too have run into discontinued parts/sold out completely. Just last week, the plastic brake clips have become brittle and broken, tried going to the local dealer to pick them up: unavailable, go onto Partsouq ready to pay $25 shipping, part is unavabilable and no longer produced, and are exclusive to 100 series. How are your rattles? I got rid of my AHC for a Radflo 2.5RR with 2865 springs, no aftermarket bumpers or anything, mine became a rattle box overnight after getting rid of AHC.
The only thing that rattles right now is my gear! So far so good, but I'm sure eventually the washboard roads will 'fix' that for me!
I guess there might be some suspension rattles ..my LX is doing timing belt surgery so I haven't driven it in awhile. The actual interior is quiet
This is the best 100 series video walk-throughs on the internet. Well said and well made video. *high five
@@ForgottenWaypoints Ive fixed all my suspension rattles, but its my interior bits and pieces that rattle making it a rattle box. All in insulation of the Lexus just makes the interior rattles more apparent. Whereas if it was a Silverado or 4Runner, it wouldn't be as annoying because all the other outside noises and vibrations are mixed in. Big thing that fixed a lot of my suspension rattles was doing the diff mount bushings.
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That Lexus Link message would drive me INSANE...I had a 2017 Trax and the "Your On Star Is Connected to Limited Services" message made me want to launch off a cliff every morning before driving to work... I have a 2012 GX460 now...it does not have that message :)
Yeah, the message started when they swapped from an analog to digital service, that reminds you just how long ago 2003 was. I guess Lexus would upgrade/disable it for a time, but that window is far past. I thought it'd bother me more than it does, but now it's kind of a joke.
What was funny is when my parents bought a new RX and when my youngest kid went for a ride he said, "Grandpa's RX doesn't have a Lexus Link Error. It's not as good as ours." Lol.
If your gonna Play in the Rocks, put on Sliders before the Rockers are Gone. 1996 FZJ80 here.
Excellent video Thank you! As a GX470 owner, I took some offense after the statement about the seat ride height. The GX's seat is not much lower than the 100-series, in fact, they are nearly the same. 09:55 There is nothing "car-like" about that seat position in my opinion. The GX is a bit taller and narrower than the LX too. I agree that the higher center of gravity is not GX's friend, but being narrower than the big brother, makes it a trail beast!!! Seriously contemplating to subscribe to your channel! I'm going to check out your GX footage first though to confirm! :)
Informative video. Thanks for the info. I completely agree on the suspension part. I changed the Stock to Ironman cell foam pro. I am really enjoying the change. Now looking for 33s wheel tire combo. What wheel and tire you run. Seems like you have icon 17 inch .
Thanks! I'm running 33.8" (285/75R17) BFG KO2s on Icon 17's. No spacers, just the OME lift and diff drop. Had to pound the pinch weld and mold the plastic back.
@@ForgottenWaypoints thank you !
I have a question. Did you let the computer do its thing by itself without touching anything? From my understanding i thought you have to let the computer build up traction slowly. Which may take awhile. All you have to do is steer straight maybe. I dont know. Correct me if im wrong. I loved the video. Glad you were able to get out. I love toyotas
No, atrac just measures slip, when a wheel slips it pulses the brakes to swap torque wheel speed between sides. The trick is to keep the throttle steady, if you let off...you lose momentum. If you give it more, it can slip more and then pulse more, losing momentum again. Just enough throttle for it to activate and keep it constant is what I find works best. It's somewhat of a skill actually.
For me 50k in 4 years and still very clean.
Great looking rig!
Thanks! I'm hoping to add the roof rack by the end of summer if everything works out!!
Hello, excellent video, I have a 2002 lx470 with the ahc system deactivated, I have installed the OME rear suspension, but in the front I have only adjusted the torsion bars and I am not satisfied with the appearance because I see it still very low from the front, What is the way you recommend to raise the front part at least 2" more. Thank you and congratulaciones.
It took me 3-4 tries to index the preload enough to get the lift I needed. In fact, a few months ago I dialed the front back about 1/2-1" to get more front flex (I had it raised to high). But if you don't have enough preload on the t-bars, you'll run out of adjustment before you get to your desired height.
There are lots of threads on Mud. Good luck!!!
I agree what you say about the AHC but you can not put bumpers from and back, rock sliders, roof rack and all your gear in your car with AHC it's just to heavy
I can believe that, judging by the torsion bars and springs I took off when converting.
i have a 2000' 100 series gxl in australia, i dont have half of those fancy buttons
Have you owned a Discovery 2? If so, how does the drive feel compared to the Disco? Beyond the windows, I guess I'm just going to miss the Land Rover feeling of driving mine.
I have a Disco 2 in my garage right now. In fact, I have a review on my channel.
The biggest thing is size. The LX is like a Range Rover. It's whisper quiet. Seats are comfortable. Arm room. Lots of arm room! Seating position is high, but the Disco viewing angles are still superior. The Discovery 2 is like a refined Jeep TJ because of the 100" wheelbase. It can dart through traffic, it FEELS and drives small.
The LX is refined. The independent suspension soaks up the pavement. It's quiet. It's larger on and off the trail.
Both are fun to drive. The LX obviously has more power, but off road the Disco with a lower geared transfer case shines well. You can modulate the throttle better, I feel, on the D2 and the LX takes more skill due to the IFS (lack of flex) and how big it is.
Honestly, the LX is a better "overland platform" from a quality, noise/vibration/harshness and comfort standpoint.
That's not a knock on the D2, the LX was meant to compete with an L322 Range Rover and exceed an LR3, not a Series II Disco.
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Don’t forget about those heater tees.......
Yeah, I forgot that, but I did show a photo of me fixing them!!
Forgotten Waypoints, I was wondering if that’s what you were doing. I was leveraged on the side of my garage wall and my fender, got a great core workout that day. On the brake booster, did your brakes actually fail or did you do it preventively?
need to add the dreaded ABS Accumulator/Pup+Master Cylinder repair.... min 3.5K for entire swap. Seems like it affects almost every Toyota/Lexus that no one really harps on... Damn thing set me back saving up for a ICON stage 3 suspension....
I had that problem. I did a $400 motor rebuild only to find that it was my temrinals on the unit that was bad. So I went for a rebuilt unit for $700. I'll mention more about it when I do a focused owners/buyers guide.
I would have burned the cruiser to the ground for a dealer quoted $3,500. These rigs are not cheap to maintain.
@@ForgottenWaypoints thats makes sense but at 178K on my rig - and I use it for the family - I rather just replace it all and not have the worry - saw alot of folks going back 12mo later to replace other parts. plenty ih8mud posts about those issues.
@@albertyulee8763 , Yup, this and the "boiling gas" will definitely be harped on in the next video. Last year was a suspension refresh and the brake booster. This year is the timing belt. If next year is another multi-thousand dollar repair, the LX470 will be up for sale and I won't shed a tear. What's the point of legendary Toyota reliability if it costs your $1,000+ per year in parts??
Not sure if you guys sold your rigs yet haha. But I’ve had my 98 LC for 6 months. Done a ton of preventative maintenance and it’s not stopping anytime soon. I will need to do the MC brake job sooner or later. Granted my rig has 290k and counting. But yea, we don’t talk enough about how much it costs to keep these “bulletproof” rigs running. Anyhow just wanted to share and thanks for the content/video.
It's good that you brought up that these vehicles are expensive to maintain. I bought my yota 100 last year and since then it's definitely been a money pit. 5 grand in cats and O2 sensors, $1800 timing belt/water pump service, and about to get the front wheel bearings worked on in addition to some scheduled maintenance items.
Those cats are painful
@@ForgottenWaypoints oh yea, on the bright side at least I got some of it back from scrap value
You can order a truck load of aftermarket parts from Australia
I was told many 4 runner parts will interchange with this vehicle too- making repoairs, replacement etc. not that expensive.
Really nice looking lx. Was thinking of doing similar lift on my lx, but was worried it would be getting to tall for garage. How tall is your lx?
The middle row can recline. Not sure if you mentioned it
Not in this vid, I mentioned it in the GX review. I didn't know it did myself until the comments came in!
Hey Alexa told me I'm 5 hrs and 33 mins away from the bbq joint lol
Nice! Get up early and hit 'em for lunch!
I've got a 05 Ford Escape Hybrid 2wd. It's my land cruiser lol!!
Only cool similarity to the Lexus is the independent rear opening window on the back.
We both have independent front suspensions, so there is that too..
@@ForgottenWaypoints didn't know that!! Cool!!
Боковую подушку безопасности отключайте, при такой езде по бездорожью 👍.Может сработать при боковых кренах.
We will see if Google translate works...:
Каждый раз, когда вы выключаете машину, он выключает отключение. Так что я всегда забываю использовать его!
I built a 2000 Land Rover Discovery Expedition truck with ARB bumpers, front and rear lockers, a roof rack and a Pelican fold-up tent. A great truck for Moab, but horrible to drive to CA from CO on I-70 with a low-powered 4 liter engine. I bought a 2004 Discovery and had the dealer swap all the parts from the 200 to the 2004, but given the engine was only a 4.5 the Interstate performance was still. an issue. My 2003 Cruiser was much better on the Interstate, but the this heave truck also needed more power. But the 2003 Cruiser was awesome for car camping above tree line on Imogene Pass, CO and then driving over the 13K summit into Telluride for breakfast and coffee! After buying a 2008 200 Series Cruiser, it seemed I had finally found heaven! But...the 5.7 engine has numerous and very expensive potential failures like starters, water pumps, secondary air injection pumps, and other very expensive potential repair bills. So now I no longer have any interest in building another truck. All things considered, my 2003 Cruiser would have been the one to keep, but now I have decided to ride my street legal 2023 KTM 350 EXC-F dual sport around the many awesome trails that are 10-20 minutes from my garage. Great video and choice of truck, I think the 2003 and 2004 LX470/Land Cruiser are the best choices for the trails seen in this video. Thank you for sharing your adventures with us!
I have a 100 1999 series it have miles and its perfect I love it so much I don't want to part from it
I bought a 99 LC two years ago 50k miles 190 to a little over 240 now. I have put 5k in getting serviced but only paid 3200. Have driven it all across country. I’m itching for a 200 now for some reason.
Is there a particular year you recommend for a GX470? I'm looking to do some weekend 4 wheeling with my kid and thought it looked like a good choice. Would you prefer a 4 Runner or an GX470.
GX470 for me, unless I could find a V8 4Runner in leather for a similar price. As for year, whatever you can afford that's in the best shape. The early ones had some issues with corrosion of the rear AC lines, but that's about it.
Can't wait for gx470 vs lx470 I have a gx already and my family is growing not sure if i should upgrade is worth it
I think so, I like them both. The extra room in the LX is a game changer for a growing family. My kids are still young so the GX is a better road trip car because it gets better mpg and is easier to maneuver. The seats are significantly more comfortable in the LX..
The rest I'll save for the video! ;)
Great video! Your 2003 has 235hp. 275 was 2006-07
Thanks for the correction. I keep forgetting, since I also own the VVT on an '08 GX. You can notice the difference.
Forgotten Waypoints great trucks!
@@ForgottenWaypoints thanks for putting together this review and the one on your GX! Speaking of the VVT engine, any reason you went with a non-VVT for your LC100 over a newer model with? I've heard you "can tell a difference" as you mentioned, but wondering if there was another reason you went that route? Thanks!
@@bigwavedave2550 , yeah, I went non VVT because the '08 I was going to look at sold, and they said this '03 was in the shop (trade in) and not listed yet. I said I'd buy it. To me, the extra HP isn't as big of a deal as the 5-speed auto and strong front diff. I'm not sure how much harder it is to do the timing belt yet, we will find out when I dig into the GX!! Thanks for watching!
@@ForgottenWaypoints Ha, ok that makes total sense. Nice to have first dibs on something like this. I would assume the TB service is the same except for maybe the initial TDC setting and making sure the cams don't move, but that's what timing marks are for. I don't have experience with Toyota's yet but from what I've seen on YT the job looks to be easier access than the Honda V6's TB's replacements I've done 😅. Thanks for the response!
Great Video. Did you change the upper control arms or just the ball joints? Also what are the bushings you have replaced so far?
Upper and lower ball joints are 555. Everything else is original OEM (factory bushings and control arms). I tried to do tie rod ends at the same time, but everyone was sold out
When you fold up the back seat, you need to slide it to the rear of the vehicle when it is vertical, it will allow the seat to fold closer to the side of the car…
Thanks, I'll give it a try
Awesome vid! What is your LX, 06-07? Cause you mentioned 2004?
It's an 03
@@ForgottenWaypoints how’d you get the 270HP or you just saying in general? Does yours have the the 4spd tranny or 5? Sorry for all the questions. I’m searching for some LXs now and I’m trying to see if a 5k difference for the VVTI engine is worth it, since this will be my daily driver/rig
@@joshuae6405 I'm a 5spd and non-vvt. I have VVT in my GX and it does feel peppier, but if I had a choice, I get non VVT everytime, cheaper to maintain and easier to work on. But the 5-spd is nice, you also get the 4-pinion front diff, so lots of nice upgrades 03+.
@@joshuae6405 , did I mention my LX had 270? That's a mistake, I must have grabbed the VVT number. The LX is non VVT, the GX is VVT.
@@ForgottenWaypoints thank you so much! You have helped me make my decision. Non-VVTI it is!
Hi just wondering what rims and tyres sizes are you running and what lift kit height have you got please ? Thank you
It's in the top pinned comment
Ok I see now you’ve had it for a while. I don’t think you need any more advice :). That 100 is a great truck. I think you nailed it all pretty well. Especially the part about the motor. Btw, the maintenance costs crop up on a vehicle that still EXISTS when damn near every other platform is already off the road. And you think the 100 has maintenance? I entertain dumping my 80 every two years when I have to do coolant and especially that birf job. Makes me nuts.
My biggest gripe with hundy maintenance is the cost. It's crazy how expensive some components are. The GX is more affordable. But I like the LX more ;).
@@ForgottenWaypoints Gimme an example other than the timing belt which honestly the interval is 90-100k which 100 owners think is maintenance cuz you’ll do it 4-6 times in its life.. CVs are pretty cheap. Brakes, rotors, belts, alternators, unjoints, all good. My neighbor has BMWs. He says it costs him $1.50 per mile to own them. He has to replace rotors on EVERY brake job and he does the brakes every 20k as an example. 100s don’t need much compared to the 80 (coolant, transmission fluid, etc). I see some stuff needing replacement when they get old like I did all my diff bearings, axles, drive shafts but that was when it had 200k and even those were pretty reasonable. Jeeps don’t exist at 200k, at least nowhere near the rate 100s do.
Frame coating sucks, you'll spend ages with POR 15, charcoal canister is horrible and $600, brake booster fails, $2500+ or a reman, CV shafts aren't cheap, but built well, timing belt job is still $1k+ to do right, front ABS sensors are junk (OEM has zip tied brackets), it's a press fit (rust issue) and is $400. China knockoffs are $20. The rear sensors are fine, it's almost like two separate crews designed them. It's built well, but requires a lot of TLC. I've owned 2 rovers, 2 jeeps, and 1 hummer H3 and a GX470 and all combined were cheaper to own at the same mileage than my Hundy, and my Hundy was dealer serviced from day 1.
I still love my cruiser for many reasons (many listed in the vid), but she's not cheap to own, on the contrary it's been $$.
Now I'm dealing with "boiling fuel", research that one, it's a flat out Toyota design flaw. If I sell the hundy, it will be because of that. In the meantime, I'm working on some extra heat shielding.
@@ForgottenWaypoints CVs could be had for < $200 with several options from Kurt. Take your word for the ABS sensors. The booster shocks me. To the point I’m almost gonna do some googling. :) Same with the fuel. These things are ubiquitous around the globe. The Rovers and Jeeps, well I have admittedly anecdotal experience with them and it’s colored my already extremely biased opinions of the Toyota ownership experience. Sorry you’ve had such bad luck.
@@ForgottenWaypoints Just browsed a 32 page topic on boiling fuel on mud. Boy that sucks.
Does that Lexus link tell you that every time you start the car?
Wondering the same thing
Enjoyed the gx video and was scanning through this one for an mpg quote for comparison. What do you get in this LX compared to the GX's 14-15mpg?
I haven't calculated the numbers yet, but when both were stock (no lift), I was getting roughly 1, maybe 2 more MPG in the GX. And that seems to be inline with the EPA (12 city, 16 highway, 13 combined).
That said, I went to San Rafael Swell and followed a Jeep JL with a roof top tent (only doing 65mph) and I got nearly 19mpg with a lift and 34" tires. I was stoked.
Did the same route a few weeks later at 80mph and got about 13-14!
@@ForgottenWaypoints 19?! That's amazing with 34's.
The V8 is pretty good, when you go slow and don't stop/start!
Need some help. I’m looking into a 2006 Lexus LX470 with 119k for $23k. It’s a southern car so I’m assuming not many rust if any? Think it’s still worth buying for $23k?
You are going to get mixed opinions on this and the used car market right now is very expensive.
If it's clean enough, I'd consider it. I almost bought one at that price that had night vision, but was also lower miles.
At that price I'd also consider a JK Rubicon because of the technical terrain advantages.
Would you recommend as a daily driver ? Thinking about getting a 2001 216,000 for 6.5k
Yes. I use mine as a daily.
As long as you are good with the gas mileage, I think it makes a good daily driver. Visibility is amazing. Need to find the right example, you can double your price if it has not been well maintained. Also find a good Indy mechanic if not working on it yourself.
Your LX is super clean and very low mileage for the year, I bet it was expensive.
Yeah, it was a single owner trade in I purchased before it was even cleaned. It was roughly $15k for an '03 with around 100k, I can't remember the exact mileage, and still had surface rust I wasn't pleased with.
It's hard to find hundys in Utah, a later model for $20k and night vision sold mere hours after it was posted. It was the Lexus salesman who tipped me off on "one they just got on trade" and I said "I'll take it, I'm coming now."
Forgotten Waypoints yeah they go that high, that’s a decent price tho for the mileage.
@@jaymoar3561 , yup; just passed 150k. Planning on doing a drain fill of the transmission as soon as I get a weekend and then doing it again at 170k. I'll probably drop the pan and inspect the filter at 200k.
It's so clean with zero leaks I don't really want to bust into it!
How is the ride when you’re driving around unladen with the heavy spring kit?
I'm happy with it, I know meant who don't like it though. It is more firm and truck like, but I was never a fan of "floaty". I keep my AHC on sport on both the LX (when it had it) and the GX.
Great vid, will the GX470 do the Golden Spike ?
With a lift, tires and bumpers, it's possible. I don't think I will build mine to that spec though unless I sell the cruiser!
Great video Sir, I currently have five hundys (4 LXs 1 LC) but no '03 model. Very good info you shared overall but I have to push back on a few items. "Toyota loves maintenance" I totally and respectfully disagree. If anything, I would say some, maybe most, Toyota Land Cruiser/LX owners love to do maintenance, needed or not. Most "maintenance" that owners do is not "needed" and creates a skewed cost of ownership curve. For instance, a brake booster you mentioned is not at all routine maintenance as you described. That issue might happen once in a LX lifetime. I may have the brakes go out on all five of mine today, but so far I've have never had to replace a LC/LX470 brake booster. The suspension corrosion is also not routine maintenance nor is it Toyotas fault the LX was driven in perhaps salty conditions or some other corrosion causing conditions. That will not happen everywhere although the LX can be driven everywhere. The charcoal cannister is not routine maintenance. That is also a once in a LX lifetime item. I may have all five of mine go out today but I have never had issues nor had to replace a charcoal cannister in my LX470s.
I agree the 4.7 V8 could very well be the best engine ever. It's been out of this world good to me. But held together by a "rubber band". That is nuts. The "rubber band" timing belt you're referring to is as dependable as the engine itself. Regarding the timing belt service work on pre-2006 engines, it absolutely does not have to be done at 90-100k. The belt, water pump, etc. can and will consistently give you twice the life span if it is not taken out prmaturely for the fun of it. And safely. If the belt happens to break, which is extremely rare even at over 200K miles, or the water pump goes out, then replace it with no harm to the noninterference engine. I could buy several used LXs with the money most owners pay for premature timing belt work at $700-1500 a pop. I currently have several hundys with near or over 200k on the timing belt and water pumps. If the belt happens to break or I hear the water pump bearing rattling then I will replace it. In 24 years of owning 12 LX/LCs, including several 80 series, I have had to replace one water pump. And that was a a new pump the previous owner had it installed before me. I agree, the coolant and cooling system is just about the most important issue with the LX. However, changing the coolant when it actually is needed is extremely easy and cheap to do.
The LX470/Land Cruiser is as bombproof as a vehicle has been made.
I wish I had the luck of just one of your land cruisers. Your experience is why I bought my LX in the first place. I expected that, especially with a rig that was well maintained and with a full dealer service history.
I still love my LX, but I've gotta be upfront about my ownership costs.
So Richie, the way prices are going now. Do you think its more sensible to try and find a mall queen and pay the premium (which still might need repairs) or buy cheap and accept the risk and maybe come out ahead?
Asking as someone who will probably have to pay a mechanic...
Agree with this 1000%. My experience as well. People that have these issues were either unlucky or purchased a rig that wasn't well-maintained throughout it's life. That said, never had a vehicle you can defer so much maintenance on and still be as reliable as they are.
@@AlwynSchoeman Mall queen with factory service records, hopefully under warranty. I paid the premium for that piece of mind. My 02 with 210k miles was probably $2k over what I normally would pay, but was pristine with a solid history of pampering. I'm over 250k of real use, how you would use a Cruiser, and about $2,000 of maintenance total, much of which was baselining when I bought it. Front bearings are a bear - I paid someone to do mine, 2nd set as far as I can tell. I think that was $800. I could still have something catastrophic occur but hopefully I'm ready. I have a specialist mechanic that tells me what I can and cannot do.
@@AlwynSchoeman Your two options are both extremes. I never pay a premium for anything other than my bow and maybe boots. I just bought a mall queen for $2500. So I got both options. The key to a good deal is always in the buy and the key to that is previous history and knowing what to expect to maintain based on history. Like most any search for a deal, is being educated on what to look for.