Big WW2 AIRCRAFT ENGINES Cold Startup and Sound

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  • @robleary3353
    @robleary3353 2 ปีที่แล้ว +189

    I've flown in a Ju 52 as a passenger. One of the most exciting things I've done... Talking to one of the pilots in flight he said flying it was like driving on ice with bald tyres.... Bril....

    • @Flammenwerfer142
      @Flammenwerfer142 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      that's nothing. i've gotten to climb in and fly in a B-29 super fortress.

    • @Ethan-vj5mt
      @Ethan-vj5mt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      @@Flammenwerfer142 at least the man’s had fun

    • @Flammenwerfer142
      @Flammenwerfer142 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @the Game, Review and Reallife Channel how tf do you even have a channel?? bruh stfu it's an expression from the pilot and you're obviously not catching the clue.

    • @NotBadJefferBoat
      @NotBadJefferBoat 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Flammenwerfer142 Damn, that's interesting, hope you didn't fly to Hiroshima..if you know what I mean..

    • @NotBadJefferBoat
      @NotBadJefferBoat 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Flammenwerfer142 Ah, so just around American territory eh?
      I went in a ju 88 but I'm not allowed to literally fly it.

  • @dankovac1609
    @dankovac1609 2 ปีที่แล้ว +110

    I have a fan in my room and it got kinda broken and wouldn't start spinning. So, i removed the propeller protector and manually spun it like a WWI plane. It worked exactly like a plane engine, slowly revving up and then working properly. As an aircraft enthusiast i actually don't mind lol

    • @kristopgaute242
      @kristopgaute242 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I am into WWI-II aircraft myself

    • @mikurowl4473
      @mikurowl4473 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can startup electric motor like that?

    • @dankovac1609
      @dankovac1609 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mikurowl4473 well it didn't start up the motor, yet it gave it the push the broken motor needed.

    • @hunterbear2421
      @hunterbear2421 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Some electic motors after getting dust in them because they are DC they can't turn themselves without the beginning boost they give themselves but if there is too much dust it can make it not enough so even tipping the fan upside down causing the blade to move a inch can start it and after that it might just start up nom again without needing the push

    • @montesa9136
      @montesa9136 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @dankovac1609 - Did it burn oil like crazy for the first few seconds after starting ??

  • @stephenroberts4895
    @stephenroberts4895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    One interesting fact about the Spitfire's design: Why Reginald Mitchell (R. J. Mitchell) was so insistent on the appearance was due to his cancer diagnosis. He died in 1937, three years before the Battle of Britain. He knew he would never get the chance to design, or build, another fighter, so he wanted it as perfect as could be for the early models.

    • @chippyjohn1
      @chippyjohn1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He copied Heinkels elliptical wing tip.

  • @IronViking-jo7qp
    @IronViking-jo7qp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    Saw the P-51 start-up and thought, "Well this video looks familiar." Then I read the upper left corner lol

    • @sheldonsdrums
      @sheldonsdrums 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Damn that’s pretty crazy!

    • @soianera9829
      @soianera9829 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You're the Man 😂

  • @tastiger91
    @tastiger91 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    Fantastic experience to have flown in the spitfire trainer.

  • @eccosabanovic1589
    @eccosabanovic1589 3 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    ..BF109 engine sounds best, far as my ears can tell..

    • @isaacsrandomvideos667
      @isaacsrandomvideos667 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @Apostolos Ginnakidis am I having a Stroke?

    • @helgedergesegnete3395
      @helgedergesegnete3395 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@isaacsrandomvideos667 As a native speaker i can only attest to that statement.

    • @gurjeetsingh-gd1wr
      @gurjeetsingh-gd1wr 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Me tu

    • @blown_off_socks
      @blown_off_socks 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The P-51 and Spit sound better to me. They have more of an old sports car/muscle car feeling.

    • @jnik_3234
      @jnik_3234 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same here!

  • @MARKLOCKWOOD2012
    @MARKLOCKWOOD2012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    Anything antique not sitting in museum both are cool running flying as intended

  • @fenrislegacy
    @fenrislegacy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    The Ju 52 is an art deco beauty

  • @user-dp8re7gn2r
    @user-dp8re7gn2r 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hearing the sound of these old motors beings back many memories , the b 36 had a sound that can't be mistaken, I miss it more than I can say.

  • @themagicboy6548
    @themagicboy6548 2 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    drives me nuts that the bf109 engine is inverted

    • @stephenroberts4895
      @stephenroberts4895 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That was done to keep the profile as narrow as possible. Hence why the Bf-109 is so much narrower compared to other fighters.

    • @glennpowell3444
      @glennpowell3444 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stephenroberts4895 They didnt have a wet sump .Used the same technique as radials I think?They bolted two together at some point one over another.

    • @stephengardiner9867
      @stephengardiner9867 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      One of the early engines considered by Rolls Royce in the years just prior to WWII was, indeed, an inverted VEE design. I don't believe it got further than a wooden mock-up. This sort of engine lowered the forward cowling (somewhat better visibility) and seemed to allow for easier armament installation in the nose although any advantage there must have been offset somewhat by the weight and complexity of the interrupter mechanism. Still, German, Japanese and Russian designs favoured the nose and engine mounted armament. Didn't really catch on in American or British single engined fighters save for the P-35, P-36, early P-40s and the Airacobra... but those Airacobra guns were installed in a nose without an engine to mess up the installation (engine was BEHIND the pilot). Was the Bf 109 "arguably" the best fighter in 1940? Depends on your criteria. Obviously it failed, even flown by some damned good pilots, otherwise history would be VERY different. It was met by equally damned good pilots (many, like the Poles, Czechs, Dutch, Belgians, French etc. who had already tangled with the Germans) flying aircraft that were quite capable of RUINING a German pilot's day.

  • @robgrune3284
    @robgrune3284 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing to see these aircraft still flying, when one considers the expected life duration was measured in hours. Every screw, panel, instrument, item was drawn by someone's hand on paper, then transferred into processes for fabrication. Every item was forged, cut, shaped, stamped, stitched by machinery operated by hands. Every component was installed by hands. All paint applied by hand. Amazing even for standards today.

  • @andreapellegrino4469
    @andreapellegrino4469 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Mustang called Toulouse nuts... Just brilliant! XD

  • @Intinight
    @Intinight 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

    Wow this is a piece of art sewing these ol’ aircrafts startup agian

    • @johannvo2497
      @johannvo2497 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Are you do have stroke?

    • @Intinight
      @Intinight 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johannvo2497 what?

  • @Simon__Ghost
    @Simon__Ghost ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love it to see old planes like the p 51

  • @penguinmaster7
    @penguinmaster7 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    there's something so satisfying about that "KRR-KRR-KRR" that those engines make right before they start

  • @T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G.
    @T.R.A.I.N.I.N.G. 27 วันที่ผ่านมา

    classic beauties 🤩

  • @BrandonLeech
    @BrandonLeech ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These huge and powerful airplane motors always fascinate me. On the surface you wouldn’t assume you’d need 2000 hp to spin a propeller through the air to make an airplane move, and you wouldn’t, until the speeds got well into triple digits and wind resistance really started fighting back.

  • @davecrupel2817
    @davecrupel2817 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I love the JU-52. It's the German version of the Ford Tri-Motor. Not just because it's a 3-banger. But because it's got that same corrugated skin. Not silky smooth skin like later airplanes got. But *corrugated* lined aluminum skin. Thing looks like a tin roof cut into strips and slapped upon the airframe. Reeeeally gives it a super vintage, old world charm to it.

  • @gavinbarham542
    @gavinbarham542 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Meaning no disrespect whatsoever, to me they sound like my father's 1957 Ferguson to 30.

  • @idleonlooker1078
    @idleonlooker1078 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Merlins: the sound of victory!!

    • @gaberobinson8210
      @gaberobinson8210 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ewwww British engenering

    • @gaberobinson8210
      @gaberobinson8210 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like German and Russian Engineering

    • @gaberobinson8210
      @gaberobinson8210 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And French as well but only because allot of their stiff was wierd

    • @gaberobinson8210
      @gaberobinson8210 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh and the Packard is a lot better than the Merlin

    • @idleonlooker1078
      @idleonlooker1078 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@gaberobinson8210 Remember, it was British engineering that made the Spitfire, Hurricane, Mosquito, Beaufighter (yes! Merlins powered a few!!) and Lancaster into war-winning aircraft. German engineering isn't bad - their greatest indictment being in helping Germany come in 2nd - behind the Allies - in WWII.

  • @spaceace1006
    @spaceace1006 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    All of those V12 designs are amazing!! Turned out that many of them wound up in Tanks & Boats!!
    Although made specifically for Marine Use, those old Allison V12s were based on their Aero counterparts!
    Those Old PT Boats were powered by 3 of those Allison Beasts!!

  • @rogerburns5028
    @rogerburns5028 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The mustang start up was sweet! Loved the name also

    • @The.Drunk-Koala
      @The.Drunk-Koala 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was the least satisfying noise out of all the planes.

  • @nicholasrhodes4550
    @nicholasrhodes4550 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The Bf-109 sounds so much like a Peterbilt... I'll never hear truck-stop sound the same way again.

  • @jedinight235
    @jedinight235 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    JU-52 to me seems like it would be a neat little bush transport.

  • @BigRobChicagoPL
    @BigRobChicagoPL 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    this is our asmr

  • @ImExcalibastard
    @ImExcalibastard 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I think modern fighter jets sound really cool but man they really cannot beat the sound of that BF-109 with any modern jet nowadays. That thing sounds plain vicious even at idle.

  • @adammyer3208
    @adammyer3208 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's so interesting to me cause it feels like I've seen them all before like so much I do indeed feel like I was someone reincarnated from a person that went through the worst parts of ww2 some nights I would wake up out of a dream not remembering anything but feeling like my body had just gone through total war

  • @Wangchung405
    @Wangchung405 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’ve been playing too much Zelda. Those Ju52 engines

  • @svetlanamajeriene1323
    @svetlanamajeriene1323 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    stop your giveing me ww2 flashbacks

  • @andrewklahold2880
    @andrewklahold2880 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    At the end of this video they should have had a corsair starting up,,,, just saying

    • @andrewklahold2880
      @andrewklahold2880 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Well the sound of s corsair make the 51s sound like wimps

  • @edelsovaldes728
    @edelsovaldes728 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank , super

  • @arandomcayote8638
    @arandomcayote8638 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The 109 sounded so mean, litteral terror machine.

  • @oldedwardian1778
    @oldedwardian1778 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Why does the JU 52 only have 2 bladed propellers?

  • @PM-ij2dx
    @PM-ij2dx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    The Focke-Wulf FW-190 was widely believed to be the best fighter aircraft of World War II... The BF109 was one of the best fighters of WWII

    • @danparden8103
      @danparden8103 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      HELL YA LOVE THE 109

    • @twddersharkmarine7774
      @twddersharkmarine7774 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      To put it simply, the Fw-190 is better in the long runs because its cheaper than Bf-109, easier to maintain, have _about_ the same performance with the Bf-109 being a bit more superior in that matter, interestingly, the Fw-190 actually have lower total drag than a Spitfire

    • @Eddiee757
      @Eddiee757 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      And hurricane better than spitfires

    • @twddersharkmarine7774
      @twddersharkmarine7774 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      that too

    • @douglaspealing5608
      @douglaspealing5608 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Eddiee757 I'd argue that point.
      Better than the MK1s, maybe. More stable gun platform and they could take a hiding, but it was an obsolete design. It had no potential for development, unlike the spitfire, so they took the spit forward.
      It was less agile than the spit and slower. So "better" is probably not the best word. "More approachable" to the new pilots would probably be the best way to put it.
      Don't get me wrong, I adore the Hurricane. I think it's a meaner and more purposeful looking aircraft than the Spitfire, but it wasn't the better aircraft

  • @aquaclubalpy5741
    @aquaclubalpy5741 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    North American p51 mustang is a single seater fighter plane as per details provided in the video and it have to pilots at the same time

  • @markhaynes8909
    @markhaynes8909 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The Spitfire 1A had a top speed of 363mph, the 109's top speed was 357mph. The spitfire could dive as fast if not faster. The 109 had fuel injection that enabled the pilot to just push the stick forward where as the carburetor Spitfire pilot had to invert to dive at that speed although they soon caught up. The 109 had a reputation of pulling the wings off pulling out of the dive where as the Spitfire was capable of more G force than any pilot could take. Also the Spitfire could also turn in side of the 109. The spitfire also had far superior all round vision from the cockpit. There was a race set up with a Spitfire, a captured BF109 & a FW190 by some wag in the air ministry with the idea of entering a tired 1A Spitfire however Supermarine switched it with the then current Spitfire V. All aircraft lined up & passing a line open throttles to see who passed the finishing line first. First was the Spitfire followed by the FW190 then the BF109. To say which is the best fighter is objective. The facts speak for themselves and it is fashionable to knock anything British at the minute. The German pilots have experience fighting in the Spanish civil war however the fact remains that the British/Allied pilots shot down 3 times the amount of axis aircraft in the Battle of Britain. Also the Spitfire went on to be developed further too.

    • @Squee7e
      @Squee7e 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      British pilots shooting down a lot of German bombers doesn't make it superior over the BF109
      Your arguments seem to be heavily biased. The BF109 was very successful in fighting the spitfire during the battle of Britain. What made the British win the Bob was
      1.) huge supply of high octane fuel and therefore easier improvements of engine performance over the years + lighter engines
      2.) enormous industrial capacities and lend lease
      3.) defenders advantage (bailed pilots without injuries could immediately fly the next day in a new plane)
      4.) huge pool of fighter pilots
      The difference in effectiveness between the BF109 and the spitfire were neglectable during the BoB.
      They had to be operated very differently and both had their strengths and weaknesses.

    • @nickfay2359
      @nickfay2359 ปีที่แล้ว

      If you read anything about what Robert Stanford Tuck had to say, the British engineers got right on the the early carb problems with the marlins and developed a float less carb that startled the hell out of the luftwaffe pilots in their injected bf109s. Then the dives were useless as a defense

  • @kv-2723
    @kv-2723 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    ah yes old flying birds

  • @meltdownshark8812
    @meltdownshark8812 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Splendid

  • @erincarbajal9821
    @erincarbajal9821 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bf 09 starts hard if you ask me

  • @TOWT67563
    @TOWT67563 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:08

  • @michaelrizza676
    @michaelrizza676 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Bit too close to that prop

  • @linusbosse285
    @linusbosse285 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    2:17 is the bf-109 supercharged ?

    • @The.Drunk-Koala
      @The.Drunk-Koala 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes it does. Listen to one flying and U can't tell

  • @Mofoindustries
    @Mofoindustries ปีที่แล้ว

    Look at the length of the nose on that p51…. Massive Merlin

  • @mr.package4702
    @mr.package4702 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah, we’re all going to ignore the soviet IL 2. Thank u Author for not mentioning the most produced warfare aircraft in history of aviation

  • @billbright1755
    @billbright1755 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Puweeeee zzzzeeedd zeeeee, wuhmmmm whuuumm chuwwwdddummm duuuuuummmm.
    109 Start up.

  • @richardbriansmith8562
    @richardbriansmith8562 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Awesome

  • @ES-pt3mr
    @ES-pt3mr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Hitler asket a captain what the wanted most. And he said he wished the had spitfire.

  • @gundamator4709
    @gundamator4709 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    those engines are loud was around 30 feet away from a tbd when it started uts engine super loud!

  • @carwashesandotherfunvideos
    @carwashesandotherfunvideos ปีที่แล้ว

    I have never rode the JU-52

  • @thegermanfool8953
    @thegermanfool8953 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice

  • @moinulislammahin2045
    @moinulislammahin2045 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    one day someone in some social media will say the same about the MIGS and F-45 jets how is that when you think of it

  • @davidcosgrove2625
    @davidcosgrove2625 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Now add in a Corsair and P37

  • @pedroernestofariasflores5304
    @pedroernestofariasflores5304 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    P-51 handsome.

  • @tsegulin
    @tsegulin 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought the principal designer of the Mustang was German-American aeronautical engineer Edgar Schmued.

  • @achmadkhamzah3201
    @achmadkhamzah3201 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Masserschmitt BF 109 👍

  • @cartestchannel90
    @cartestchannel90  3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which one of these Aircrafts do you like the most ?

    • @namefamily1504
      @namefamily1504 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      La-7, Yak-3 )))

    • @idleonlooker1078
      @idleonlooker1078 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can't choose!! A Spitfire XVIE, Hawker Tempest Mk.V or Typhoon IB (Bubbletop), a Mosquito FB Mk.VI, Swordfish Mk.II, Gladiator.......... IMHO all are gems in their own right!!

    • @stefansterr7734
      @stefansterr7734 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      definitely Me BF 109

    • @m1lfhunt3r
      @m1lfhunt3r 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      a6m5 zero

    • @jnik_3234
      @jnik_3234 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bf109

  • @abbynormabrain6664
    @abbynormabrain6664 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    No Hellcat?

  • @kevinburns5762
    @kevinburns5762 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No Lancaster 🤔

    • @douglaspealing5608
      @douglaspealing5608 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You got 2 Merlin's in this video. 3 if that P51 was running one... having another 4 is just greedy hhahahah

  • @user-up7zv7bm6q
    @user-up7zv7bm6q ปีที่แล้ว

    耳なり、助けて!!!

  • @TheMaxik
    @TheMaxik 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:00 single seat but I see two seats

    • @guccidog254
      @guccidog254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Some were rebuilt so people can have a opportunity to fly with a pilot

  • @futurepilot5287
    @futurepilot5287 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    A6M had no worthy competitor over pacific up till 1942 which resulted imperial navy to falsely think they wont need to develop better aircraft any time soon.

  • @benlieckfelt4140
    @benlieckfelt4140 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I thought the Spitfire was a single seat aircraft 🤔??

    • @louisvervaeke6687
      @louisvervaeke6687 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      some have been rebuilt into 2-seaters, they do it to give people the opportunity to fly with a spit...

    • @boffwozere
      @boffwozere 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      It was the 2 seaters are reworked versions to give non pilots the chance to fly in a spitfire ... there is one that flies regularly from Sywell aerodrome in Northamptonshire I’ve been lucky enough to see it many times 👍

  • @jonash6070
    @jonash6070 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Add horsepower to all engines so we can tell how powerful they are

  • @felipeasfarias
    @felipeasfarias 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    where the stuka?

  • @mrequinox6742
    @mrequinox6742 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ju 52 vs dc 3

  • @felipetenorio6812
    @felipetenorio6812 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Messerschmitt BF 109 ♥️

  • @FredieCraft
    @FredieCraft 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    not a single soviet plane?

  • @vasiliyyastrebov7610
    @vasiliyyastrebov7610 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Where IL 2))

    • @herrakaarme
      @herrakaarme 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Stavka couldn't trust the pilot enough to be sure he wouldn't defect, so no IL-2 available.

  • @Stormchoirs
    @Stormchoirs 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Not an historical BF 109. It’s not historical if you leave out the swastika.

  • @erincarbajal9821
    @erincarbajal9821 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well that’s bad

  • @goldslinger
    @goldslinger 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thumbs down for clickbait pic

  • @erincarbajal9821
    @erincarbajal9821 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Kinda sound like farts

  • @wikumranabahu4103
    @wikumranabahu4103 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    පී.බී.එම්. Average

  • @porscha901
    @porscha901 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Spitfire shot down more German aircraft so spitfire was best

    • @italianjob4947
      @italianjob4947 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Hurricane shot down more.

    • @italianjob4947
      @italianjob4947 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      in the Battle of Britain

    • @neinnein9306
      @neinnein9306 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yeah when the headquarter wants you to escort bombers without having extra fuel...

    • @JazzJaRa
      @JazzJaRa 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Wait who is the most scoring Fighter ace of WW2? Ah right, Erich Hartmann and what did he flew? a Spitfire?? No i don't think so. RIIIIIGHT he flew a Bf-109 :)

    • @jnik_3234
      @jnik_3234 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@italianjob4947 hah! During the Battle of Britain the Bf109 had a better kill - death ratio than the Spitfire and Hurricane. More Spitfires and Hurricanes were shot down during the BoB than bf109s