I took all of your feedback from my last video on the topic and tried to make an improved version. I hope you like it & I hope you are having a great summertime! - Lukas My Patreon: www.patreon.com/mindthemap
I'm more interested in urban design and architecture. To be honest, maybe even boiling down to sustainable redesign: working within the current urban plan to rework a city to suit people better for our current needs and plan for the future.
So for me, I've always combined these into one thing, and functionally I do both. And I love that. Have I had any training or traditional education? No. Do I have a passion for it that allows me to constantly and rapidly grow my understand, strategies and knowledge? Yes. Would I want to go to school for it? No. haha. I'm content just being a "armchair urbanist and transit planner" myself. Though I supposed the latter part there you'd likely also assert has the same differentiation with there being planning and design. If so, then I know already I once again combine them always and thus am both/in the middle. For me, all of these are technically one and the same, because you literally cannot have or do one without the other.
Your comment captures what I tried to express in the second part of the video: Urbanism is not about elitist sectioning-off of singular disciplines but collaboration across all different fields. Broader, far ranging knowledge will lead to better decisions! Also, we love - and all are - Armchair Urbanists in this community!
The problem is that urban planners think they are urban designers, and the public sector often suffers when they use these terms interchangeably. Urban Planners are number crunchers and cannot think beyond numbers on a piece of paper. Their approach is very 2 dimensional and have been the reason we suffer from the nightmare of single land use zoning. Urban Designers have been trying to clean up their mess for decades and bring back the human element into planning.
Well, yeah. Urban design is like a type of architect, engineer, etc. Or arguably a broader catagory which encapsulates that sort of thing. A traffic engineer is sort of doing urban design. So would an architect, Or a road designer. You kind of show Urban Design as being between Urban Planning and Architecture? So are they like architects that aren't certified to actually be able to design buildings, and so instead focus on comunities and such? Why shouldn't the urban planner and designer be the same person? Or have cross-training to an extent? if it is further from architecture. I guess maybe they just work to coordinate a bunch of specialist designers, like a civil engineer, architect, etc? Although, there are things like parks that probably could be designed without necesarily needing to construct many buildings. The broader sense of where the streets go and how they are setup is technically design, but probably would be decided either by a planner, and/or a civil engineer.
All good points, I think one of the key takeaways form the video is that you can't always make exact distinctions, be it because students are cross-trained, certain positions intersect or people just have unique combinations of skills and experience. Having the architectural and design skills of an Urban Designer and the experience with regulation and processes of and Urban Planner is a great combination and people like that certainly exist. I like to use architecture as the "opposite" of Urban Planning because people easily understand what architects learn and do - it helps stress the more zoomed-out regulatory aspects of Urban Planning. All that to say that you could make an exact video about singular positions in a municipality or the exact contents of a certain university degree, but a broad, global explainer can't nail down the exact differences as the vary a lot.
Was finally able to watch it. Great Video. The I-don't-know-the-word-for-it you used (Urban Planning = Zoomed out,...) were great and understandable...really a great video. But I was just wondering, where do you get these video ideas from? I don't think I would be able to find such ideas... Btw, I never used Patreon before. If I join and don't pay anything there (even though I'd love to 😅), is that still useful for me or is Patreon useless then?
Thank you! I get ideas everywhere, walking in the city, being on TH-cam, at uni... but in this case it was just a question I was asking myself and I wanted a precise answer. I would love to have you on Patreon as a free level supporter but I will be honest with you: I don't think I have any worthwhile posts for that level right now. So you can save yourself the hassle of making an account for now - I will answer another comment of yours when I think it will be worth it! Thank you though, I appreciate your support!
@@MindTheMap I mean, I already made an account, so I already joined. Thanks for the reply though :) - And yeah, every idea is good if you make it interesting enough...keep up the great work, Lukas!
so basically urban planners don’t care about basically anything & form a coherent hollistic solution & urban designers care about every detail & are too lazy to apply it to the bigger picture / region… either enjoyability or transportation suffers… the best urban planners are urban designers… the best urban designers are urban planners urban design is basically just an extra college major buzzword for “architecture / industrial design of public (& private) spaces 90% of which are landscapes”
I took all of your feedback from my last video on the topic and tried to make an improved version. I hope you like it & I hope you are having a great summertime! - Lukas
My Patreon: www.patreon.com/mindthemap
Would you rather want to work as an Urban Planner or as an Urban Designer? Vote by giving the corresponding comment in the thread below a thumbs up!
Urban Planner!
Urban Designer!
yes
i want a job in general
I like both!
I definitely need to watch this as soon as I have time...
I hope you like the video!
@@MindTheMap I'll definitely leave feedback as soon as I watched it :)
I'm more interested in urban design and architecture. To be honest, maybe even boiling down to sustainable redesign: working within the current urban plan to rework a city to suit people better for our current needs and plan for the future.
Boiled down yet still a ginormous task - would love for you to get to work on that!
What a lovely, to-the-point video
Thank you for being a regular once again in the comment section - I am always looking forward to your kind words!
So for me, I've always combined these into one thing, and functionally I do both. And I love that. Have I had any training or traditional education? No. Do I have a passion for it that allows me to constantly and rapidly grow my understand, strategies and knowledge? Yes. Would I want to go to school for it? No. haha. I'm content just being a "armchair urbanist and transit planner" myself. Though I supposed the latter part there you'd likely also assert has the same differentiation with there being planning and design. If so, then I know already I once again combine them always and thus am both/in the middle. For me, all of these are technically one and the same, because you literally cannot have or do one without the other.
Your comment captures what I tried to express in the second part of the video: Urbanism is not about elitist sectioning-off of singular disciplines but collaboration across all different fields. Broader, far ranging knowledge will lead to better decisions!
Also, we love - and all are - Armchair Urbanists in this community!
The problem is that urban planners think they are urban designers, and the public sector often suffers when they use these terms interchangeably. Urban Planners are number crunchers and cannot think beyond numbers on a piece of paper. Their approach is very 2 dimensional and have been the reason we suffer from the nightmare of single land use zoning. Urban Designers have been trying to clean up their mess for decades and bring back the human element into planning.
Well, yeah. Urban design is like a type of architect, engineer, etc.
Or arguably a broader catagory which encapsulates that sort of thing.
A traffic engineer is sort of doing urban design. So would an architect,
Or a road designer.
You kind of show Urban Design as being between Urban Planning and Architecture?
So are they like architects that aren't certified to actually be able to design buildings, and so instead focus on comunities and such?
Why shouldn't the urban planner and designer be the same person? Or have cross-training to an extent? if it is further from architecture.
I guess maybe they just work to coordinate a bunch of specialist designers, like a civil engineer, architect, etc?
Although, there are things like parks that probably could be designed without necesarily needing to construct many buildings.
The broader sense of where the streets go and how they are setup is technically design, but probably would be decided either by a planner, and/or a civil engineer.
All good points, I think one of the key takeaways form the video is that you can't always make exact distinctions, be it because students are cross-trained, certain positions intersect or people just have unique combinations of skills and experience.
Having the architectural and design skills of an Urban Designer and the experience with regulation and processes of and Urban Planner is a great combination and people like that certainly exist.
I like to use architecture as the "opposite" of Urban Planning because people easily understand what architects learn and do - it helps stress the more zoomed-out regulatory aspects of Urban Planning.
All that to say that you could make an exact video about singular positions in a municipality or the exact contents of a certain university degree, but a broad, global explainer can't nail down the exact differences as the vary a lot.
Was finally able to watch it. Great Video. The I-don't-know-the-word-for-it you used (Urban Planning = Zoomed out,...) were great and understandable...really a great video. But I was just wondering, where do you get these video ideas from? I don't think I would be able to find such ideas...
Btw, I never used Patreon before. If I join and don't pay anything there (even though I'd love to 😅), is that still useful for me or is Patreon useless then?
Thank you! I get ideas everywhere, walking in the city, being on TH-cam, at uni... but in this case it was just a question I was asking myself and I wanted a precise answer.
I would love to have you on Patreon as a free level supporter but I will be honest with you: I don't think I have any worthwhile posts for that level right now. So you can save yourself the hassle of making an account for now - I will answer another comment of yours when I think it will be worth it!
Thank you though, I appreciate your support!
@@MindTheMap I mean, I already made an account, so I already joined. Thanks for the reply though :) - And yeah, every idea is good if you make it interesting enough...keep up the great work, Lukas!
Thank you for joining! I will keep going, see you around :)
so basically urban planners don’t care about basically anything & form a coherent hollistic solution & urban designers care about every detail & are too lazy to apply it to the bigger picture / region… either enjoyability or transportation suffers… the best urban planners are urban designers… the best urban designers are urban planners
urban design is basically just an extra college major buzzword for “architecture / industrial design of public (& private) spaces 90% of which are landscapes”
2:21 what city is this?
Panama City