"England's demand for a Big Boy" You wouldn't need to go remotely that high. Still, a 4-6-0 deemed too large for Ireland's railway system? Damn, Ireland must have had a small railway system for that to be the case
Alex Thal'kyr IRELAND actually had a very large railway system but why use a 4-6-0 in a coal shortage when a much mor economical and lower coal consuming 4-4-0 does the job almost as well.
Plus, Irish preservation doesnt need a 4-6-0. Ireland had many types of 4-6-0. We even had a version of the GWR Stars that had outside walschaerts valve gear and a few other differences but they didnt work so they were converted to 2 cylinder locomotives where tbey did very well performance and maintainance wise. None survived. Plus we were a small country just after getting independence and were then shoved straight into the great depression followed by the second world war.
Maedhbh, Macha and Tailte were goddess in celtic mytholgy, this class were originally mistaken as queens due to Maedhbh also being the name of a celtic queen.
great video I'm proud to be Irish and to still have are our biggest steam locomotive preserved but i wish more of our Irish breed locomotives were preserved ,if British viewer think oh sure we have larger locomotive over England but remember Irish gauge was 5ft 3in while British gauge was only 4ft 8.5in so she is larger then u think
Yeah but, being on a wider rail gauge doesn't always mean a bigger engine tho. Hence why the UK uses standard gauge and yet has the smallest loading gauge of any mainline system in the world, while several Brazilian meter gauge lines use US locomotives and rollingstock.
She looks big, really the only locos I can think of that's bigger over in England are the Princess Coronations (Duchess of Sutherland) but thats probably only because of the humongous boiler attached to it. Would love to see it running someday, maybe even on the Grand Hibernian, that would be a sight.
The names are always thought to be queens but in irish mythology they were actually goddesses...Maedhbh was god of war I think...there was Macha who was the sovereignty goddess and Tailte the goddess of endurance..you'll notice dots over the D and B....in old irish this signifies that there is a h after these letters hence in modern irish Maedhbh.
I'm wondering, gauge difference aside, just how similar or dissimilar rather are these locomotives, in terms of proportions pulling power and so on, from the LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0's. To me, they look pretty much alike.
Conducter49 I live near one, in Scranton, Pennsylvania, the others are in the west or mid west. And she is MASSIVE. It was like hell, getting her to the east with the tighter track. Let alone it would be double hell getting one across the Atlantic.
Dragon Zilla no wonder. She's irish and she never got got any real fame or mileage because they were withdrawn because of the coal shortage in the war.
I’d absolutely love to see her running one day but I’ve never heard any rumours of it ever happening. A shame really since we only have two mainline runners and they’re based in Dublin and Whitehead respectively
I'd hazard a guess and say it depends on 2 things. 1. Is there demand for such a big engine, it wouldn't be a problem in Britain as we have a HUGE market for preservation charter trains, but in Ireland it's much smaller, a decent following I'm sure but is it enough to pay the bills? 2. Overhaul costs, heya has actually got to be replaced completely. Flying Scotsman had a huge amount that needed to be done (though will admit it's had a harsh working life), but still highlights the fact that it's a costly business. If I won the Lottery I'd restore her or even built a new one, even if it's just for 10 years until overhaul.
@@RicardoD957 yeah see dk how often engines have to be overhauled in Ireland because like there's only two mainliners in traffic atm and a small shunting saddle tank somewhere in Dublin. There isn't s huge of an interest in steam engines as there is in say the UK or US but man, in a dream world I'd absolutely love to see her run again. probably never going to happen but a girl can dream
@@RicardoD957 ah there's an engine over here, slieve gulion that's been out of traffic since 2002 and due to the Whitehead workshop being busy restoring no. 131, her overhaul wasn't actually started properly until 2019. The first successful boiler test happened earlier this year. So they're defo too busy to be restoring Maedhbh unfortunately. One can definitely dream tho
@@NirateGoel 184 will probobly never run again. Apparently all it’s parts are shot. And 186 is in better condition, more efficient and has higher fuel capacity
To be fair a big boy built in England would be a very interesting locomotive. Wonder what it would have looked like constructed in the style of British trains, or weather it would have been built as a 4-8-4+4-8-4 garratt instead?
she may appear small, but you have to remember that Ireland uses a standard guage of 5ft 3in. So the locomotive is a lot larger than she appears and certainly larger than her counterparts in the UK.
churchofastrotrain think about it. Ireland is a small country with communities very close to eachother. Why would you need such big engines when they are not needed and why use them if a more economical 4-4-0 is available.
"Her demand is like England's demand for a Big Boy" that was a good one. Those things are pretty bad for 95 percent of the rails in the world. Erie triplexes are better for tracks!
This video blew my mind for a stupid reason: I didn’t actually know there was a Great Southern Railway. I joked to myself that all other points of the compass had a UK railway with “Great” in the name except the south. Guess I was wrong.
nice video this locomotive can appear in Thomas and Friends for channel 5 milkshake childrens tv programmes by having Laura Whitmore voice this locomotive since there is already a LNER A1 (Gordon & Flying scotsman) BR standards 9F (Murdoch) LMS Black 5 (Henry) in the programme due to the fact that these steam engines are capable of doing main line express passengers or freight
City Jamesman Don’t know how on Earth you thought it was Typhoon as Typhoon was built as one and no other engines designed EXACTLY like him were built in the gauge she was.
Or, alternatively, you could send it to Victoria or South Australia, could easily run it there barring the 3 cylinder thing Well, it is a way of running it, not that I'd advocate this myself but eh
Lord Sauron My mistake, yeah, Ireland is 5" 3' but i though Australia was Stephenson's gauge because a lot of British locomotives such as the flying Scotsman ran there for a visit
***** Australia has several different gauges. NSW used the standard gauge, Victoria and South Australia were 5' 3" gauge and Western Australia, Queensland and Tasmania were 3' 6" gauge. In the 60-90's standard gauge lines were installed throughout the country to eliminate the break of gauge issues which were a pain during the world wars
@@richardharrold9736 Obviously, however she is uneconomical to repair or run. Her route availability is too poor to make her worth the cost of restoration. Restoring the pair of J15s would be a better investment. @Spud 607 weight isn't the issue, it's the high axel loading weight.
Was about to say, with 7 different makers and adoption in Spain and the WAGR as the C class (not to be confused with NZ's PWD 'little' C) I'd be keen to put money on a bunch, roughly to the same pattern, wafting over.
Thats easy to do. Being built for express passenger work with 3 cylinders, 6 foot 7 inch drivers and an initial tractive effort of over 34000 lbf they're much closer to the Royal Scots.
She beauty if I was millionaire lived great British buy this engine , say queen wave crowd people like parade why paint job love beautiful golden yellow or royal purple color beautiful and lovely too.
Hey England! about the Big Boy. I have to say 3 words, "In your dreams" you'll never get one of our eight Big Boys. You should have spared the LNER U1.
4014 is being restored so maybe he can do a special for it. Or UP could do an overseas visit like the Flying Scotsman did coming here. Although I don't think the BR tracks can handle Big Boy's sheer weight.......
+R. Kidd is not only that british rail can't handle a big boy because of how heavy they are but also the loading gauge a big boy is too large for british rail
Quite the beautiful engine! It sort of looks like a combination of an LNER A3 and a GWR King Class, but that's just my opinion.
Nscaleguy1 it does come to think of it
Nscaleguy1 So, a Black Five?
More like a rebuilt Royal Scot, funnily enough.
To me it looks like a black 5
Nscaleguy1 100mph???
love her double chimney
This is one loco I'd love to see steaming again!
my great grandfather help make this in Inchicore in dublin as he was a foreman so this is my favorite irish steam train and the biggest irish engine
"England's demand for a Big Boy"
You wouldn't need to go remotely that high. Still, a 4-6-0 deemed too large for Ireland's railway system? Damn, Ireland must have had a small railway system for that to be the case
Alex Thal'kyr IRELAND actually had a very large railway system but why use a 4-6-0 in a coal shortage when a much mor economical and lower coal consuming 4-4-0 does the job almost as well.
Alex Thal'kyr Hello
Plus, Irish preservation doesnt need a 4-6-0. Ireland had many types of 4-6-0. We even had a version of the GWR Stars that had outside walschaerts valve gear and a few other differences but they didnt work so they were converted to 2 cylinder locomotives where tbey did very well performance and maintainance wise. None survived. Plus we were a small country just after getting independence and were then shoved straight into the great depression followed by the second world war.
Problom with mainlime running for number 800 is turntables
I wonder what it would be like if England DID have a Big Boy.
Maedhbh, Macha and Tailte were goddess in celtic mytholgy, this class were originally mistaken as queens due to Maedhbh also being the name of a celtic queen.
Goodness, what a beautiful engine.
Apparently my grand uncle Patrick McCann from Inchicore used to be a driver on the Maedb. Would love to see it or see photos of him in it
If only the other 2 were still around.
Do you know the timeframe? There's a good chance my grandfather was his fireman.
Interesting story
This locomotive looks similar to the LMS Stanier Black Fives and LMS Unrebuilt Royal Scot Class
Agreed
great video I'm proud to be Irish and to still have are our biggest steam locomotive preserved but i wish more of our Irish breed locomotives were preserved ,if British viewer think oh sure we have larger locomotive over England but remember Irish gauge was 5ft 3in while British gauge was only 4ft 8.5in so she is larger then u think
Yeah, same here. I actually live not too far from cultra, so hopefully I will be going to see her within the next few weeks.
Yeah but, being on a wider rail gauge doesn't always mean a bigger engine tho. Hence why the UK uses standard gauge and yet has the smallest loading gauge of any mainline system in the world, while several Brazilian meter gauge lines use US locomotives and rollingstock.
She looks big, really the only locos I can think of that's bigger over in England are the Princess Coronations (Duchess of Sutherland) but thats probably only because of the humongous boiler attached to it. Would love to see it running someday, maybe even on the Grand Hibernian, that would be a sight.
Our coaches used to be wider
The names are always thought to be queens but in irish mythology they were actually goddesses...Maedhbh was god of war I think...there was Macha who was the sovereignty goddess and Tailte the goddess of endurance..you'll notice dots over the D and B....in old irish this signifies that there is a h after these letters hence in modern irish Maedhbh.
@Chris Eden-Green What are your thoughts on the Big Boy?
Hey Chris will you do a sole slip on British railways standard class 8 duke of Gloucester?
Omg why am i only seeing this now
Another great one! Cheers, Jack
I'm wondering, gauge difference aside, just how similar or dissimilar rather are these locomotives, in terms of proportions pulling power and so on, from the LMS Stanier Class 5 4-6-0's. To me, they look pretty much alike.
1:41 England's demand for a Big Boy...
Why not? :P Planning to make a documentary about the Big Boys yourself?
I'd love to see an American version of Steam Locos in Profile
Conducter49 I live near one, in Scranton, Pennsylvania, the others are in the west or mid west. And she is MASSIVE. It was like hell, getting her to the east with the tighter track. Let alone it would be double hell getting one across the Atlantic.
Will Horowitz Your referring to the one at Steam Town, I believe I've had the pleasure of going there once awhile ago. Do they still have it outside?
4012. That one's still outside as far as I know (and I'm Dutch!)... :P
Conducter49 Yes she is still outside. How could she be inside? The turntable there is 90 feet long and the Big Boy is 132 feet long.
Awsome loco!
100mph?
I've never heard of this locomotive before.
Dragon Zilla no wonder. She's irish and she never got got any real fame or mileage because they were withdrawn because of the coal shortage in the war.
Very interesting locomotive, was it build with the Black 5 shape in mind?
I’d absolutely love to see her running one day but I’ve never heard any rumours of it ever happening. A shame really since we only have two mainline runners and they’re based in Dublin and Whitehead respectively
I'd hazard a guess and say it depends on 2 things.
1. Is there demand for such a big engine, it wouldn't be a problem in Britain as we have a HUGE market for preservation charter trains, but in Ireland it's much smaller, a decent following I'm sure but is it enough to pay the bills?
2. Overhaul costs, heya has actually got to be replaced completely. Flying Scotsman had a huge amount that needed to be done (though will admit it's had a harsh working life), but still highlights the fact that it's a costly business.
If I won the Lottery I'd restore her or even built a new one, even if it's just for 10 years until overhaul.
@@RicardoD957 yeah see dk how often engines have to be overhauled in Ireland because like there's only two mainliners in traffic atm and a small shunting saddle tank somewhere in Dublin. There isn't s huge of an interest in steam engines as there is in say the UK or US but man, in a dream world I'd absolutely love to see her run again. probably never going to happen but a girl can dream
@@Simerali in the UK it's every 10 years between overhauls, but that can be brought forward if work is urgently needed. One indeed can dream.
Railway preservation in Ireland is a poor cousin to England’s
@@RicardoD957 ah there's an engine over here, slieve gulion that's been out of traffic since 2002 and due to the Whitehead workshop being busy restoring no. 131, her overhaul wasn't actually started properly until 2019. The first successful boiler test happened earlier this year. So they're defo too busy to be restoring Maedhbh unfortunately. One can definitely dream tho
Would be great to see the rpsi running this on excursions
It's too heavy to be economically the Return on investment just isn't there. Better spend the money on 461 & the J15s.
They have three steam and hope to have some diesels up and running
@@NirateGoel 184 will probobly never run again. Apparently all it’s parts are shot. And 186 is in better condition, more efficient and has higher fuel capacity
To be fair a big boy built in England would be a very interesting locomotive. Wonder what it would have looked like constructed in the style of British trains, or weather it would have been built as a 4-8-4+4-8-4 garratt instead?
A Garratt seems like it would make more sense to me, especially since it would not need to be turned frequently.
Well, an engine from Ireland, that was unexpected. Also, it's kind of small for a "Biggest steam engine ever to run in the country"
Ireland isnt a big country, plus it has a small loading gauge
Yeah, Ireland is pretty small, so maybe this was bigeenough.
+churchofastrotrain
Stand in front of her, she isn't that small.
she may appear small, but you have to remember that Ireland uses a standard guage of 5ft 3in. So the locomotive is a lot larger than she appears and certainly larger than her counterparts in the UK.
churchofastrotrain think about it. Ireland is a small country with communities very close to eachother. Why would you need such big engines when they are not needed and why use them if a more economical 4-4-0 is available.
"Her demand is like England's demand for a Big Boy" that was a good one. Those things are pretty bad for 95 percent of the rails in the world. Erie triplexes are better for tracks!
The engine looks like a LMS Black Five.
More like a Jubilee or a rebuilt Royal Scot really.
Definitely Jub, given the lack of deflectors.
Ferris Welker a few of the rebuilt scots didn't have deflectors though.
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LMSFan11 the black fives had 2 cylinders and 6'0" driving wheels
The Jublees had 3 cylinders and 6'9" driving wheels
LMSFan11 but in appearance the jubilees had splashers and the black fives did not
wrong Spelling of her name even though on her name plate says Maedb there are two dots that stand for H so the correct spelling is Maedhbh
This video blew my mind for a stupid reason: I didn’t actually know there was a Great Southern Railway. I joked to myself that all other points of the compass had a UK railway with “Great” in the name except the south. Guess I was wrong.
Great Southern Railway were one of a number of post world war one railways in Ireland
Great southern railway was irish not british
nice video this locomotive can appear in Thomas and Friends for channel 5 milkshake childrens tv programmes by having Laura Whitmore voice this locomotive since there is already a LNER A1 (Gordon & Flying scotsman) BR standards 9F (Murdoch) LMS Black 5 (Henry) in the programme due to the fact that these steam engines are capable of doing main line express passengers or freight
EpicThe112 Flying scotsman is an A3
EpicThe112 have it voiced by an Irish person.
Can't unless you want to ignore the slight gauge disparity.
@@NirateGoel You mean 5'3 vs 4'8.5 if you want me to do it in centimeters it's this 160-161cm Irish Gauge vs 143.5cm standard gauge.
Mo doubt someone from America will be tasked for the voice
Reminds me of a Black 5 locomotive with an extra cylinder.
Which is what the LMS Jubilee class essentially were. I'm not sure, reminds me of a re-built Royal scot.
By the thumbail i thought it was typhoon but it wasent sd
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City Jamesman Don’t know how on Earth you thought it was Typhoon as Typhoon was built as one and no other engines designed EXACTLY like him were built in the gauge she was.
Oh Luck That Henry
Or, alternatively, you could send it to Victoria or South Australia, could easily run it there barring the 3 cylinder thing
Well, it is a way of running it, not that I'd advocate this myself but eh
Nope. Ireland has a much wider gauge than most. Irelands gauge is 5 feet 6 inches, so it really cant run in many places
I thought Ireland was 5" 3', like Victoria and South Australia. Hence why I said what I did
Lord Sauron My mistake, yeah, Ireland is 5" 3' but i though Australia was Stephenson's gauge because a lot of British locomotives such as the flying Scotsman ran there for a visit
***** Australia has several different gauges. NSW used the standard gauge, Victoria and South Australia were 5' 3" gauge and Western Australia, Queensland and Tasmania were 3' 6" gauge. In the 60-90's standard gauge lines were installed throughout the country to eliminate the break of gauge issues which were a pain during the world wars
Alex Thal'kyr THE AUSSIES SHALL NEVER TAKE OUR ENGINE!!!
She will never run because she's too heavy!
Couldn't she run on the Dublin-Cork line as intended?
IrishRail123 she could run again. There are heavier trains running on the line these days
@@richardharrold9736 Obviously, however she is uneconomical to repair or run. Her route availability is too poor to make her worth the cost of restoration. Restoring the pair of J15s would be a better investment.
@Spud 607 weight isn't the issue, it's the high axel loading weight.
Looks like a black 5
The saddle tank next to it looks like a fatter and shorter version of New Zealand's F class
Was about to say, with 7 different makers and adoption in Spain and the WAGR as the C class (not to be confused with NZ's PWD 'little' C) I'd be keen to put money on a bunch, roughly to the same pattern, wafting over.
It’s an Irish Jubilee, I like it.
As do I but the sky blue GNR(I) locomotives you can not bate
You mean 25 pounds per square inch not 45 because 250 ➖ 25=225.
This is Ireland's Black 5.
*Change My Mind*
Thats easy to do. Being built for express passenger work with 3 cylinders, 6 foot 7 inch drivers and an initial tractive effort of over 34000 lbf they're much closer to the Royal Scots.
I would say that its a Royal Scot on steroids and with a beautiful green livery.
She looks like a gresley locomotive, I've just noticed. Was she inspired by the gresley locos on the lner?
Eh? More LMS. Belpaire, not round top.
1:40 *In the UK [Not England] we do not require a **_Big Boy_** as we have the mighty 9F 2-10-0's to show in use !*
She beauty if I was millionaire lived great British buy this engine , say queen wave crowd people like parade why paint job love beautiful golden yellow or royal purple color beautiful and lovely too.
She is an Irish engine
Big Boy
Me at the title:
How the actual FOWLER am I supposed to prounounce that
Loom it up
Looks like Henry
omg its gordon the big express engine.
Hey England! about the Big Boy. I have to say 3 words, "In your dreams" you'll never get one of our eight Big Boys. You should have spared the LNER U1.
Why would they want to build an ugly American steam loco when they could just build a slightly bigger LNER class a1 engine
4014 is being restored so maybe he can do a special for it. Or UP could do an overseas visit like the Flying Scotsman did coming here. Although I don't think the BR tracks can handle Big Boy's sheer weight.......
+R. Kidd is not only that british rail can't handle a big boy because of how heavy they are but also the loading gauge a big boy is too large for british rail
I don't want one. There are far more interesting locos, even in America.