I have been using armlock since day one of the anchor ban and it’s the best thing I’ve ever done in golf. I’m glad to see more manufacturers giving us head options. Hats off to Bettenardi and Matt Kuchar for creating a face with enough loft to make this happen
That's one of the most impressive things about the LAB putter we were sent. It is built and drilled specifically for the arm lock style vs just taking a regular head and bending the shaft. What type of improvements have you noticed since arm locking?
I am a left handed college and some professional tennis player and i am +2 handicap right handed golfer. I tried arm lock and instantly rolled the rock like never before. Its like cheating . It felt like my one handed backhand in tennis . Pure Butter. Awesome video boys
I have a leftie arm lock from L.A.B since last summer and I love this putter! I have speed control down cold... 3 putts are almost never... and most of my 1 putts outside of 10 feet are burning the edges for a tap-in at worst. Last week I picked up my old Odyssey mallet to see how the stroke felt.... and I can't even make a decent stroke with it....so there will be no turning back.
I tried the arm-lock putter last year. For 2 weeks playing with the arm-lock about 3x/week, I putted "lights-out" and made way more putts than my normal. But then in the 3rd week I began having a real problem with knowing whether my putter face was actually on the correct line to the hole. And it got worse. I gave up the arm-lock in week four and have not returned to the arm-lock. Male, age 75, hcp about 10.
Hey guys, could we get more information on how each shoulder moves in the downswing? You guys explaining how each shoulder moves independent of the chest has opened a can of worms for me. Particularly how the right shoulder moves while trying to prevent the left shoulder from kicking up too early.
Yes I recently was fitted for a DF3 armlock putter from LAB. I have used it for several rounds and find that I am much more consistent with getting the ball rolling on my line. My putts per hole have dropped from 1.8 to just under 1.7. I started with left hand low because that felt natural.
I’ve just been fitted for an Sik armlock putter. Its taking some getting use to. Much easier on short putts but struggling on long putts, at the moment. Think it’s because I’m not use to just rocking the shoulders, I was a little handsy. The long putts are coming up short, but I’ve only had it out on the course for 2 rounds
Putting was always my Achilles in my game. I put in a ton of practice in it but I could never figure it out to get my putts to drop with a higher consistency. I quit playing a few years ago and I figured if I ever started playing again I was going to get fitted and try the arm lock. Nice vid to show that the arm lock is actually a more consistent stroke.
Dave Pelz says that putting is mostly face angle (and a little path). The tendency to "roll" the hands by twisting the wrists is the major cause of face angle change during the stroke. All methods strive to limit face angle change but if you can hold your putter behind the ball and "roll" your hands (wrists) then you can change the face angle at impact. I use a large grip (stroke saver) face balanced putter with the trail hand low. Rotate the lead (top) hand as far closed as it can go and grip the putter. Rotate the trail (bottom) hand as far closed as it can go and grip the putter. From above, you will see all the knuckles and the backs of both hands. Basically, both hands are trying to open and close the putter face at the same time. Try as you might, you cannot get that putter face to budge off of the face angle that is square to the target. Putting on your selected line becomes really easy as the putter face cannot change its face angle during the stroke. Give it a try, it works for me. :)
So, you mean your lead hand (left hand for a right handed golfer is very "strong" and your right hand (trail hand) is in a very weak position? Thanks, Matt
This video confirmed I am on the right track and my hypothesis was correct for why I am now sinking more putts. I am on your wait list for December. Hopefully I can get in and see the true numbers behind my thoughts. Thanks for changing my life and giving me the tools to pursue a golf career on professional tours!
I have a cobra 3D armlock (2nd hand)it has improved my putting drastically. I tried a conventional LAB and nearly bought over eventual winner Scotty C through cool clubs Australia (supply an issue in 2019) Cobra not fitted want to try a more upright armlock almost Bryson style but regardless amazing improvement in my putting esp short curly putts would love to see video on different armlock grips/level of upright shaft at address love your videos
I own one by LAB. Amazing. I was custom fit by our pro shop for it…my 3 putting went from 2-3 per round to zero. I fully credit my new simpler stroke and LAB golf
Devise a study similar to what Pelz did many years ago. Putts of all length and break. I personally think the armlock technique improves puts of 3 - 8 feet more than longer ones. Those are the ones most of us think we SHOULD make and tend to mis-read or miss-hit. I think there is a learning curve, like most athletic activities, but it is much steeper because of fewer variables. Probably after about 100 putts, most experienced golfers will have figured it out and further improvement in technique will be incremental. This leaves "only" reading greens for the golfer to master. This may be easier also since fewer things to worry about.
This is why I switched to the single plane swing back in 2019, same thing as armlock. It is all about straight lines and arm lock does this for putting
Tried left hand low for right handed putter and had as close to the arm lock position through out the motion and was draining putts from all distances. Most putts had a chance at going in other than a slight misalignment or misread. Thanks for the ongoing technical information and data on the golf swing and now putting.
Tried an armlock method with a longer shafted regular putter (not made specifically for arm lock) and had a really tough time getting used to the visual of having such tremendous amounts of shaft lean at address…messes with my optics. Also I’m shorter (5’7”) with short arms, which may play a part in the way I have to contort myself to get into position with square shoulders. Need a putter that fits me for this method specifically.
Even if this is "anchoring" it should have never been banned from golf. Putting is very different from all other aspects of the game. The USGA got this rule wrong. They only changed it because Tiger came out against anchoring. The only thing they can do is limit grip length at this point.
Love the numbers. Have tried the arm lock. So uncomfortable in setup and stroke is wonky. Thinking of the L.A.B. Mezz 1 Max Broomstick. Would enjoy seeing the number comparisons between your gamer Mike and the Broomstick. Can you do a video of this? Much appreciated.
Great video. Could you address the importance of lie angle and the effect that it has on set up. Would one have to be fitted for an arm lock with that and putter loft in mind? I tend to miss short putts because although I think I have aligned the putter correctly my coach tells me it is closed. Any thoughts? You guys make so much sense, thanks.
I've had a Bio Mech arm lock for almost a year. Far and away the best and most consistent putter I've ever used. I think it has the most advanced features among arm lock putters.
Hi, it's not related to this putting lesson but have you guys talked about ways to avoid pulling backswing too inside? I think the reason I do it is because I tend to rotate my arms too much. I think rotating shoulders vertically while side-bending body is the way to fix it, but if you have not done yet, it might be an interesting topic for your next Pros vs Ams video!
@@AthleticMotionGolf Sorry I was not clear. I was talking about golf swing, not putting stroke. Some online coaches on youtube here in Japan say you are suppose to move your arms as if you are turning steering wheel to left to have shut face in your backswing. Do you think pros are doing that? I basically tend to pull my backswing inside/below my shaft plane.
@@AthleticMotionGolf I see. Well, if you can think of ways to fix pulling backswing inside below shaft plane, I would love to see the video. Last but not least, I really think you guys are doing so well and I always enjoy your video!
Thanks guys, great content as usual. Have you measured other arm lock putters? Is the mechanical advantage similar, or does it have to do with the LAB putter specifically?
Yes we have, from 4 different manufacturers so far. There’s been the same mechanical advantage will all. Ease of alignment seems to be the biggest variable so far but probably no more different than it is with traditional putter options.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Yep it is that putter but with the LAGP. I just had the standard shaft in the old DF, and I can say the LAGP makes it MUCH softer (unless that is the difference from the nickel finish which I doubt). It feels like the difference between cast and forged irons. I don't know if there's really any performance advantage, but I just wanted something I'll never have to change. The rulebook is the only thing that could pry it out of my hands.
If you are using a Standard putter that is not designed necessarily for wrist lock, do you have to adjust where you hit the ball? It would seem like you would de loft the club a bit and hit the ball into the ground if you positioned the ball in the middle of your stance
Great stuff guys. I’m a pretty good athlete too; bball, baseball, soccer, football but a terrible putter. Not sure athleticism equates but will try an armlock.
I had not seen your video in advance and was experimenting on course practice with my Odyssey Works Putter (traditional length). I’ve been struggling with face control and subsequently missing too many 3 to 6 foot putts. Experimenting with the armlock approach and a placing ball in stance approx 2-balls forward produced immediate improvement in both the roll of the putt and staying on line. Felt a noticeable feel and control of club face. I realize I was self teaching and I’m curious to see using a manufactured arm- lock will be even better. For me, even if the arm lock is banned in competition the principles still can be used with other putters. I’d look for a longer shaft if that is the case. Thanks guys for this info!,
Isn't there a training aid that attaches to the top of the putter and runs up the left forearm? I've been looking for it but can't find it anybody knows!
I have EvnRoll Midlock putter and feels very awkward at the beginning but after 1-2 weeks start seeing good results and then go traditional putter again but feels very unstable compared to MidLock putter
Great video as always. I wonder if anchoring on the forward forearm vs the rear forearm makes any difference? Matt Kuchar recently made that change so perhaps you can shed some light on that. I’ve tried the armlock and liked it but it felt really awkward on long putts. Lastly, any comments on the recent talk about banning armlock putters?
You guys mentioned that you've seen better numbers with the armlock style from multiple students. Are these students only using the Lab Golf heads or have you seen these results with multiple styles of armlock putters heads?
I have been using arm lock since the Belly Putters were banned. I was very inconsistent with std putters....... 3 and 4 putts if outside 12 feet and switched to the Broom style, with ASAP results. With that style banned, I fortunately read a Dave Peltz article indicating not to throw them away, just cut them to be below the elbow joint and they would be legal. Also, he indicated that 1 in 10 who have speed control issues need to look at the hole and putt to the hole, factoring in needed break vs. looking at the ball. This blew my putting up ASAP again ( for the better). Also leaving in the pin added even more success. There is no way I can call this anchoring. It is different from the belly putter creating a "traped pendulum" at my chest. In the last few weeks, I have won the longest putt on 3 different holes (1 was 46 feet). The game plays faster and is more fun when your putting better. Life is about change, no one is stopping anyone from trying this......let the general population keep enjoying better golf. A perfect example is the high jump.......we would still all be doing the"Texas Roll" instead of the "FosburyFlop" if we would not embrace the change. Rich S. PS Thanks AMG for all the great work and bring down science to the application level.
I tried the arm lock putter and found it hard to get it flat against the back of my forearm, felt uncomfortable, my fried has a traditional Lab putter man is that head big
Video has me thinking about armlock method. Only concern is that it's difficult to know whether the statistical improvement was a result of the change in the putter or the grip. It would be great to test armlock method with the same type of putter instead of different putters.
i dont think they should ban arm lock. since side saddle is still legal. thats even more advantage then armlock. easier to see the line, better distance control. i told my self i buy a new putter each year. out of all of them, i favorite are honu putter, and the nike method from 10 yr ago. this year i haven't find that putter worth buying. i have my eye on the Bloodline Vale putters. 2 friends who has it, had recommended. They said its so good, its should be illegal. im holding back because the amount of crap i will get from playing at my club. is it worth the trouble and all the haggle ???
Dont have an arm lock, but I do have a DF putter. Absolutely the easiest putter I've ever used, especially using a thumbs off grip. Might be even better with a arm lock.
It looks like on gears thematic the putter shaft is on your left arm however in the live view it looks like it is on your right arm, would you please clarify?
I have lots of putting issues and even though the old anchored putters helped, I still agree that anchoring should be banned whether chest, belly or arm.
Do you guys know where I can buy a putter that is designed to be forward pressed (has added loft)? I can’t find any way to purchase on unless it is armlock or midlock. I’m looking for a more conventional putter that is designed to be forward pressed. Something like what Jordan Spieth or Xander Schauffele have. Any help is appreciated! Thank you!
All putters can be forward pressed. Jordan and Xander aren’t using putters designed differently than what you can find at your favorite store. Lofts can also be easily adjusted on just about every putter as well.
How was Mike's path into the ball? The putting stroke is supposed to be level to slightly up. I'm curious how consistent that was with the wrist lock putter.
I have used a Directed Force for a good 8 years now. I think you would have saw improvement with a regular length Directed Force. Arm Lock just takes it to a whole new level.
I used the arm lock putter which improved my putting average while teaching to hold convention putter with less wrist break. Putt with conventional again using armlock structure. Arm lock is anchoring in my opinion. Putter must only be touched by hands, not arms, chest and hands.
I'm a RH'd golfer/putter and putt 'left hand down' which enables a 'wrist lock' style of grip. I find is has a similar effect to an arm-lock in that my left wrist angles do not (noticeably) change throughout the stroke. Granted, I don't have gears to measure it but I can clearly see movement in the angles when I putt with a classic reverse overlap grip compared to the left hand down. Since the butt end of the putter is 'locked' against my wrist, one would have to think it has the same advantage as locking against the arm. Will that too be banned then? Anchoring should not have been banned in any case. It is neither contrary to the spirit of the game nor is it an 'unfair advantage' as all players had access to the equipment. Arm-lock putters/putting should definitely NOT be banned. I don't believe it is even 'anchoring' as the butt end of the putter is moving back and forth. And just like the 'broom stick' putters, all players have access to arm-lock putters so there is no unfair advantage either. Maybe it would be simpler if the USGA made a rule that all putts had to be made with a "wobbly stroke", or a "block of wood at the end of a string".
I may be dreaming this but I swear I saw an arm lock putter probably 30 years ago in a pro shop in Clarksdale, MS, a Cobra if I’m not completely mistaken. Felt like a broom handle but the pro let me hit a few on the putting green and I could tell it was a heck of a concept. Too bad I didn’t win enough shop credit during the tournament or I’d have bought it! 🤣
I don’t understand it but I putt WAY better when I actually allow the wrists to flex and release under the natural weight of the club. I get a better roll and more consistency and distance control. When I keep the wrists still, I drive the shaft and hit too much down on the ball. Kinda similar to what Dan Grieve talks about with chipping.
Given that Bryson uses this and the fact that he analyses everything, it’s no surprise that your analytics say the same thing. I’ll stick with the traditional just so I don’t get laughed off the course by my buddies. Chicken I know, but for us it’s about the camaraderie as well😇😎
Not many people laugh when someone has sub 28 putts per round or putts lights out. I would be more concerned with my score than what other people "think."
I bought a Lab putter however it’s the traditional style, I wonder how the numbers would stack up against your spider vs. lap putter? I tried one arm putting and for reason I couldn’t get it to work for me, I could never get the shaft to rest conformably against my lead arm! Now I see Phil and Matt Kutcher having there one arm putter shaft lean against their back arm. To me I didn’t see a issues with the long putter being anchored against your upper chest, so I don’t an issue with this either. If these two styles are no legal then isn’t the other legal, e.g. Claw, left arm low, or another style that eliminate the use of both hands? The only time this became an issue is when someone won starting winning with these anchoring styles.
I love all your videos. And, as a specialist putting coach even more this 'investigation'. What I don't get, why didn't you calibrate the SAM before the arm lock strokes? It affects static aim, which, affects tendency. So you're not able to compare the two styles of putting now. About the angles. I agree an armlock putter eliminates flexion and extension, but what about feel? By throwing a ball your wrist is hinging as well. It's a subconsciousness part of your stroke. Maybe you should run a test at longer putts. See what happens with distance control. Looking forward to your comments, and of course, the next videos. As well swing.
We calibrate every time we remove the triplet (or change clubs in GEARS). We just don’t put it in the videos because no one cares to watch it. We very much understand how to collect good data 🤓
It's an interesting subject. If anchoring a long putters is banned, I think arm locking is just as questionable . A putter should be the shortest club in the bag held with 2 hands, no anchoring.
It's not anchoring imo because its not attached to the body the arms are still freely moving. I came to the decision a long time ago that it is the best putting method for removing error in the stroke. Exactly why imo Bryson uses it and is probably the best putter on the planet right now!
I have a standard putter and don't use armlock...BUT...I could never understand why anchoring was banned. Did it help? Well obviously for some, but I could never make it work. And what if it did...did they ban Gene Sarazen's sand wedge...or big-headed drivers...or Bryson's one-size clubs?! Did it 'take the skill away'? Well, see answer to the first question - imho anchoring requires its own skill set. Of all the technology and technique improvements over the last 30 years, anchoring is one of the least obviously potent (how many pros ever used it - surely the acid test?), yet that's the one they ban. Strange.
It is anchoring and it should be banned because it offers a technical advantage, alternatively, other anchoring points should be allowed too. Great video. I'm sold.
This is a Big Deal!!! I have always been a below average putter My direction and green reading is has been good. Some times when it gets crazy way long or short. I putt conventionally right had low. On my back stroke wrist break back. On the forward stroke the wrist break forward. I don't feel it but everyone sees it. Way to wristy. I have had the some problem for years. I average 33-34 putts per round with two 3 putts. I still shoot in the low 80's. I think the arm lock will be the answer. Thank you.
Bought a $400 armlock putter - it is so uncomfortable, I can’t even make solid contact. What am I doing wrong? Called the manufacturer for advice, all they said is “keep practicing.” Frustrating!
Whatever works I always say, I think holding or bracing the putter against the arm is just fine, the arms are both moving together in the stroke so to me the grip is not anchored to your body, so to speak. The USGA should backoff, has nothing to do with overpowering the courses.
I’m trying to determine if it was the arm lock putter itself that caused the improvement or was it because it allowed a more structured “V” of the arms? Could one use a traditional putter while maintaining a structured “V” and achieve similar results? Thanks for the great content.
We had the same same thought too. We did the same test trying to maintain the V. While it felt the same to me during the stroke, the measured numbers showed it to be much closer to the traditional style than the arm lock. The feel was very similar, but the data wasn't.
@@ChuckEvansGolf we’ve been able to test 4 different manufacturers so far with arm locking. The same mechanical as has been there with all. The biggest variable has been aim. I’ve personally found the LAB to be the easiest to aim so far, and it does have a very “moving on rails” feel.
@@AthleticMotionGolf thanks for the input. I had one from the original owner. Couldn’t aim it…don’t like lines on a putter, and wound up giving it away.
No self respecting golfer uses an anchored putter. lol Heck, I already feel like I’m cheating with my Spider X. Like you said, it’s only a matter of time. Science proves it right? Let’s keep the art of putting detached. We don’t want to add on smaller holes to longer golf courses do we? lol
As for Arm-Lock - YES! I’d love to try it/use it but it IS anchoring and a ban will soon follow. As your video demonstrates conclusively, it does in fact give you a mechanical advantage. Sure, it’s available for everybody to use but it’s not the method of putting intended in the tradition sense of the game ( holding the grip in your hands, and slapping it in the hole ).
It’s 100% anchoring and should be banned just like anchoring to your sternum except I believe this arm lock anchoring is even more effective. I have heard the reason why more guys are not switching to it is because it’s soon going away
I think you may have just given the R&A and USPGA all the evidence they need to ban this too. Only a matter of time……. Off to buy one now while it is still legal. 😂😂😂
@@ChrisWilliams-cb9kt for sure never an excuse for not doing that! But down here that means filling with sand so it’s like having a few hundred extra bunkers in the fairway that I doubt were on the original plans 😂
Well still not banned nor should be. The putter is clearly not anchored as the grip moves with the lead arm. This is not dissimilar to a conventional putter. This method really only takes out the wrist movement. I've just converted to a Sik putter now in 2023 and it seems to help me with my otherwise bad putting. It does not make me a better putter than the good putters at my club. I can't see why all these testers talk about anchoring and banning. The game is hard enough. What about banning graphite shafts, titanium driver heads and move back to hickory shafts. It is just part of a natural progression. If it is such an advantage there is nothing stopping all golfers using them.
Lab science is all well and good. How does this translate into the real world? Assume the average golfer has 36 putts/round with traditional putter. How many will he have with the armlock putter?
This isn’t science lol. We measuring the difference between two methods of putting. The average golfer is not good at green reading, speed control, or stroke mechanics. This video is about one of those elements.
@@AthleticMotionGolf It would be good to give both types of putter to golfers of all handicaps and measure how much, if any, improvement they realize on the course. The armlock method has improved my putting by taking the wrists out of the equation. Success breeds confidence which breeds more success. I enjoy your channel.
love the channel and most of your analysis but i think this one has missed the mark. you need to compare a traditional LAB putter to an arm lock lAB putter before you credit all the improvement seen here to simply arm locking-- there is a lot of technology in all LAB putters that will help you square the face and you cannot attribute all the gains here to arm locking. two variables changed in this comparison. scientifically you cannot say this os due to arm lock putting or LAB putter -- this experimant does NOT actually give an answer to the question because you did not control all variables except arm locking. if you tested it against a traditional length LAB putter - the arm lock could be better or worse- or the same-- you still do not know. please do another to see whether or not arm locking matters-- i firmly believe the LAB putter beats the spider arm lock or no arm lock.
Your test should have been with the same putter head. The Lab putter head is totally different to the spider in respect to technology. The test here is more about different putters not necessarily Arm lock vs standard. Sorry Direct force, this video did not really do justice to your technology.
It showcases the mechanical advantage of having the putter locked to your arm. It's an advantage no matter how you look at it. Did you watch the entire video?
@@AthleticMotionGolf yes I watched the whole video. It's only the wrist hinge you can really take from this experiment. The technology on the lab putter significantly outweighs the spider so the data on the putting machine can't be compared. Nonetheless, great video, would have loved to seen it with the same type of putter being compared.
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I have been using armlock since day one of the anchor ban and it’s the best thing I’ve ever done in golf. I’m glad to see more manufacturers giving us head options. Hats off to Bettenardi and Matt Kuchar for creating a face with enough loft to make this happen
That's one of the most impressive things about the LAB putter we were sent. It is built and drilled specifically for the arm lock style vs just taking a regular head and bending the shaft.
What type of improvements have you noticed since arm locking?
I am a left handed college and some professional tennis player and i am +2 handicap right handed golfer. I tried arm lock and instantly rolled the rock like never before. Its like cheating . It felt like my one handed backhand in tennis . Pure Butter. Awesome video boys
Keep em coming boys! Most helpful golf content on the interwebs.
Thanks brother!🙏
I have a leftie arm lock from L.A.B since last summer and I love this putter! I have speed control down cold... 3 putts are almost never... and most of my 1 putts outside of 10 feet are burning the edges for a tap-in at worst. Last week I picked up my old Odyssey mallet to see how the stroke felt.... and I can't even make a decent stroke with it....so there will be no turning back.
I tried the arm-lock putter last year. For 2 weeks playing with the arm-lock about 3x/week, I putted "lights-out" and made way more putts than my normal. But then in the 3rd week I began having a real problem with knowing whether my putter face was actually on the correct line to the hole. And it got worse. I gave up the arm-lock in week four and have not returned to the arm-lock. Male, age 75, hcp about 10.
the alignment can be tricky agreed
@@AthleticMotionGolf Please explain the issues you experienced regarding alignment... Cheers! 🙂
Hey guys, could we get more information on how each shoulder moves in the downswing? You guys explaining how each shoulder moves independent of the chest has opened a can of worms for me. Particularly how the right shoulder moves while trying to prevent the left shoulder from kicking up too early.
Yes I recently was fitted for a DF3 armlock putter from LAB. I have used it for several rounds and find that I am much more consistent with getting the ball rolling on my line. My putts per hole have dropped from 1.8 to just under 1.7. I started with left hand low because that felt natural.
I’ve just been fitted for an Sik armlock putter. Its taking some getting use to. Much easier on short putts but struggling on long putts, at the moment. Think it’s because I’m not use to just rocking the shoulders, I was a little handsy. The long putts are coming up short, but I’ve only had it out on the course for 2 rounds
Putting was always my Achilles in my game. I put in a ton of practice in it but I could never figure it out to get my putts to drop with a higher consistency. I quit playing a few years ago and I figured if I ever started playing again I was going to get fitted and try the arm lock. Nice vid to show that the arm lock is actually a more consistent stroke.
it works great. Give it a try :)
Dave Pelz says that putting is mostly face angle (and a little path). The tendency to "roll" the hands by twisting the wrists is the major cause of face angle change during the stroke. All methods strive to limit face angle change but if you can hold your putter behind the ball and "roll" your hands (wrists) then you can change the face angle at impact. I use a large grip (stroke saver) face balanced putter with the trail hand low. Rotate the lead (top) hand as far closed as it can go and grip the putter. Rotate the trail (bottom) hand as far closed as it can go and grip the putter. From above, you will see all the knuckles and the backs of both hands. Basically, both hands are trying to open and close the putter face at the same time. Try as you might, you cannot get that putter face to budge off of the face angle that is square to the target. Putting on your selected line becomes really easy as the putter face cannot change its face angle during the stroke. Give it a try, it works for me. :)
I like it!! I think Corey Pavin did something similar back in the day
So, you mean your lead hand (left hand for a right handed golfer is very "strong" and your right hand (trail hand) is in a very weak position?
Thanks,
Matt
@@mattmalloff7377 Yes, I used it for over a year with some success. I now use the Lock 'n Roll putter and it is even better!
This video confirmed I am on the right track and my hypothesis was correct for why I am now sinking more putts. I am on your wait list for December. Hopefully I can get in and see the true numbers behind my thoughts.
Thanks for changing my life and giving me the tools to pursue a golf career on professional tours!
Love it! Hopefully we’ll see you in Dec 👊
My dude wish you nothing but the best!
I have a cobra 3D armlock (2nd hand)it has improved my putting drastically. I tried a conventional LAB and nearly bought over eventual winner Scotty C through cool clubs Australia (supply an issue in 2019) Cobra not fitted want to try a more upright armlock almost Bryson style but regardless amazing improvement in my putting esp short curly putts would love to see video on different armlock grips/level of upright shaft at address love your videos
Heading out today to try one. I'll let you know.
Great video, explained well.
Cheers
I own one by LAB. Amazing. I was custom fit by our pro shop for it…my 3 putting went from 2-3 per round to zero. I fully credit my new simpler stroke and LAB golf
That’s what it’s all about- better results! Great job (and the pro shop too😊)
It's a no-brainer. Especially with the Lab Golf directed force putter. Looks like a great method.
Felt like cheating lol
OK I see how the arm lock improves the mechanics of the stroke... what about "left hand low" for right handed putters?
That’s a good way also, especially for helping correct shoulder and forearm issues in the stroke👍
@@AthleticMotionGolf Or how about going Left-Hand-Low with an arm-lock style putter?
@@RollYourRock we need to test that for sure
Devise a study similar to what Pelz did many years ago. Putts of all length and break. I personally think the armlock technique improves puts of 3 - 8 feet more than longer ones. Those are the ones most of us think we SHOULD make and tend to mis-read or miss-hit.
I think there is a learning curve, like most athletic activities, but it is much steeper because of fewer variables. Probably after about 100 putts, most experienced golfers will have figured it out and further improvement in technique will be incremental. This leaves "only" reading greens for the golfer to master. This may be easier also since fewer things to worry about.
Great video as usual, thanks a lot, i've change to armlock when the cobra came out. Love it, but need time to adapt, thinking of LAB DF3 armlock 😊😊😊
Have not tried the anchor putter yet but after this video I think i will check it out! Nice info!
Would love to hear back what you think of it 👊
want to move to arm lock, now i'm convinced, very helpfull analysis, thx
clicked on the link, good tips, coz I'm really over thinking when I swing
This is why I switched to the single plane swing back in 2019, same thing as armlock. It is all about straight lines and arm lock does this for putting
Great work Gent's. 100% agree.
Thanks brother 🙏🏻👊
Tried left hand low for right handed putter and had as close to the arm lock position through out the motion and was draining putts from all distances. Most putts had a chance at going in other than a slight misalignment or misread. Thanks for the ongoing technical information and data on the golf swing and now putting.
I plan on going to the arm lock putter next January while I’m in Portugal 🇵🇹 for a weeks golfing
Your video is great!
Tried an armlock method with a longer shafted regular putter (not made specifically for arm lock) and had a really tough time getting used to the visual of having such tremendous amounts of shaft lean at address…messes with my optics. Also I’m shorter (5’7”) with short arms, which may play a part in the way I have to contort myself to get into position with square shoulders. Need a putter that fits me for this method specifically.
Yes, great point. This one was made to Mike's specs. It's important to be properly fit to any putter you choose to use.
Excellent video. Could you compare armlock with a broom stick putting style?
Was never interested in anchor putters, now You made me think about them
We were surprised at the tangible differences. Certainly worth a thought 😊
Even if this is "anchoring" it should have never been banned from golf. Putting is very different from all other aspects of the game.
The USGA got this rule wrong. They only changed it because Tiger came out against anchoring.
The only thing they can do is limit grip length at this point.
Love the numbers. Have tried the arm lock. So uncomfortable in setup and stroke is wonky. Thinking of the L.A.B. Mezz 1 Max Broomstick. Would enjoy seeing the number comparisons between your gamer Mike and the Broomstick. Can you do a video of this? Much appreciated.
Great video. Could you address the importance of lie angle and the effect that it has on set up. Would one have to be fitted for an arm lock with that and putter loft in mind? I tend to miss short putts because although I think I have aligned the putter correctly my coach tells me it is closed. Any thoughts? You guys make so much sense, thanks.
I've had a Bio Mech arm lock for almost a year. Far and away the best and most consistent putter I've ever used. I think it has the most advanced features among arm lock putters.
Love it
I have a Biomech Ace Acculock putter as well. Will never use another putter again. It's freaking great.
Hi, it's not related to this putting lesson but have you guys talked about ways to avoid pulling backswing too inside?
I think the reason I do it is because I tend to rotate my arms too much. I think rotating shoulders vertically while side-bending body is the way to fix it, but if you have not done yet, it might be an interesting topic for your next Pros vs Ams video!
Talking about putting stroke or golf swing?
@@AthleticMotionGolf Sorry I was not clear. I was talking about golf swing, not putting stroke.
Some online coaches on youtube here in Japan say you are suppose to move your arms as if you are turning steering wheel to left to have shut face in your backswing. Do you think pros are doing that?
I basically tend to pull my backswing inside/below my shaft plane.
@@tetsujinakada4318 gotcha👍. No we DO NOT see the pros turning the steering wheel to the left, it we see a ton of ams doing it 😖
@@AthleticMotionGolf I see. Well, if you can think of ways to fix pulling backswing inside below shaft plane, I would love to see the video.
Last but not least, I really think you guys are doing so well and I always enjoy your video!
Thanks guys, great content as usual.
Have you measured other arm lock putters? Is the mechanical advantage similar, or does it have to do with the LAB putter specifically?
Yes we have, from 4 different manufacturers so far. There’s been the same mechanical advantage will all. Ease of alignment seems to be the biggest variable so far but probably no more different than it is with traditional putter options.
I used a Directed Force for years. Finally replaced it this year, with a LAB armlock in nickel finish with the LAGP shaft. It is unreal.
Nice! Sounds like this one except for the shaft. How does that LAGP shaft feel?
@@AthleticMotionGolf Yep it is that putter but with the LAGP. I just had the standard shaft in the old DF, and I can say the LAGP makes it MUCH softer (unless that is the difference from the nickel finish which I doubt). It feels like the difference between cast and forged irons. I don't know if there's really any performance advantage, but I just wanted something I'll never have to change. The rulebook is the only thing that could pry it out of my hands.
I'm a 0 handicap and use armlock. I like it but I have that same squirrely motion Zalatoris has on the short putts.
If you are using a Standard putter that is not designed necessarily for wrist lock, do you have to adjust where you hit the ball? It would seem like you would de loft the club a bit and hit the ball into the ground if you positioned the ball in the middle of your stance
Great stuff guys. I’m a pretty good athlete too; bball, baseball, soccer, football but a terrible putter. Not sure athleticism equates but will try an armlock.
How do you determine the correct length for an armlock?
I love you guys!
@@tomscott9588 back at you 👊🤓
I had not seen your video in advance and was experimenting on course practice with my Odyssey Works Putter (traditional length). I’ve been struggling with face control and subsequently missing too many 3 to 6 foot putts. Experimenting with the armlock approach and a placing ball in stance approx 2-balls forward produced immediate improvement in both the roll of the putt and staying on line. Felt a noticeable feel and control of club face. I realize I was self teaching and I’m curious to see using a manufactured arm- lock will be even better. For me, even if the arm lock is banned in competition the principles still can be used with other putters. I’d look for a longer shaft if that is the case. Thanks guys for this info!,
great! Bernard Langer was doing that back in the 80s with a short putter. He won the Masters with that grip I believe :)
Awesome video boys.
Isn't there a training aid that attaches to the top of the putter and runs up the left forearm? I've been looking for it but can't find it anybody knows!
Just bought a arm lock heavy putter on ebay. Can't wait to get it
I have EvnRoll Midlock putter and feels very awkward at the beginning but after 1-2 weeks start seeing good results and then go traditional putter again but feels very unstable compared to MidLock putter
Great video as always. I wonder if anchoring on the forward forearm vs the rear forearm makes any difference? Matt Kuchar recently made that change so perhaps you can shed some light on that. I’ve tried the armlock and liked it but it felt really awkward on long putts. Lastly, any comments on the recent talk about banning armlock putters?
were going to give the trail arm lock a shot and report back ;)
You guys mentioned that you've seen better numbers with the armlock style from multiple students. Are these students only using the Lab Golf heads or have you seen these results with multiple styles of armlock putters heads?
A variety of arm lock heads
@@AthleticMotionGolf Thank you for your reply.
I have been using arm lock since the Belly Putters were banned. I was very inconsistent with std putters....... 3 and 4 putts if outside 12 feet and switched to the Broom style, with ASAP results. With that style banned, I fortunately read a Dave Peltz article indicating not to throw them away, just cut them to be below the elbow joint and they would be legal. Also, he indicated that 1 in 10 who have speed control issues need to look at the hole and putt to the hole, factoring in needed break vs. looking at the ball. This blew my putting up ASAP again ( for the better). Also leaving in the pin added even more success. There is no way I can call this anchoring. It is different from the belly putter creating a "traped pendulum" at my chest. In the last few weeks, I have won the longest putt on 3 different holes (1 was 46 feet). The game plays faster and is more fun when your putting better. Life is about change, no one is stopping anyone from trying this......let the general population keep enjoying better golf. A perfect example is the high jump.......we would still all be doing the"Texas Roll" instead of the "FosburyFlop" if we would not embrace the change. Rich S. PS Thanks AMG for all the great work and bring down science to the application level.
great comment thank you
I tried the arm lock putter and found it hard to get it flat against the back of my forearm, felt uncomfortable, my fried has a traditional Lab putter man is that head big
You know what they say about big putter heads 😂
Video has me thinking about armlock method. Only concern is that it's difficult to know whether the statistical improvement was a result of the change in the putter or the grip. It would be great to test armlock method with the same type of putter instead of different putters.
i dont think they should ban arm lock. since side saddle is still legal. thats even more advantage then armlock. easier to see the line, better distance control. i told my self i buy a new putter each year. out of all of them, i favorite are honu putter, and the nike method from 10 yr ago. this year i haven't find that putter worth buying. i have my eye on the Bloodline Vale putters. 2 friends who has it, had recommended. They said its so good, its should be illegal. im holding back because the amount of crap i will get from playing at my club. is it worth the trouble and all the haggle ???
Haha depends on how much you can win off the hecklers
Dont have an arm lock, but I do have a DF putter. Absolutely the easiest putter I've ever used, especially using a thumbs off grip. Might be even better with a arm lock.
It feels like it’s on rails!
What were the specs on the arm lock putter?
80 degree lie angle, 2.5 degrees of loft 👍
How do we see the video that corresponds to your podcast?
It looks like on gears thematic the putter shaft is on your left arm however in the live view it looks like it is on your right arm, would you please clarify?
I have lots of putting issues and even though the old anchored putters helped, I still agree that anchoring should be banned whether chest, belly or arm.
Hard to argue how some anchoring is but others aren’t 🤷♂️
Do you stand that close to the ball with the arm lock ?
Do you guys know where I can buy a putter that is designed to be forward pressed (has added loft)? I can’t find any way to purchase on unless it is armlock or midlock. I’m looking for a more conventional putter that is designed to be forward pressed. Something like what Jordan Spieth or Xander Schauffele have. Any help is appreciated! Thank you!
All putters can be forward pressed. Jordan and Xander aren’t using putters designed differently than what you can find at your favorite store. Lofts can also be easily adjusted on just about every putter as well.
How was Mike's path into the ball? The putting stroke is supposed to be level to slightly up. I'm curious how consistent that was with the wrist lock putter.
1.5 to 2 up with both style putters👍
I have used a Directed Force for a good 8 years now. I think you would have saw improvement with a regular length Directed Force. Arm Lock just takes it to a whole new level.
no doubt!
I used the arm lock putter which improved my putting average while teaching to hold convention putter with less wrist break. Putt with conventional again using armlock structure.
Arm lock is anchoring in my opinion. Putter must only be touched by hands, not arms, chest and hands.
it is an advantage no doubt
I'm a RH'd golfer/putter and putt 'left hand down' which enables a 'wrist lock' style of grip. I find is has a similar effect to an arm-lock in that my left wrist angles do not (noticeably) change throughout the stroke. Granted, I don't have gears to measure it but I can clearly see movement in the angles when I putt with a classic reverse overlap grip compared to the left hand down. Since the butt end of the putter is 'locked' against my wrist, one would have to think it has the same advantage as locking against the arm. Will that too be banned then?
Anchoring should not have been banned in any case. It is neither contrary to the spirit of the game nor is it an 'unfair advantage' as all players had access to the equipment. Arm-lock putters/putting should definitely NOT be banned. I don't believe it is even 'anchoring' as the butt end of the putter is moving back and forth. And just like the 'broom stick' putters, all players have access to arm-lock putters so there is no unfair advantage either. Maybe it would be simpler if the USGA made a rule that all putts had to be made with a "wobbly stroke", or a "block of wood at the end of a string".
haha no doubt.
I may be dreaming this but I swear I saw an arm lock putter probably 30 years ago in a pro shop in Clarksdale, MS, a Cobra if I’m not completely mistaken. Felt like a broom handle but the pro let me hit a few on the putting green and I could tell it was a heck of a concept. Too bad I didn’t win enough shop credit during the tournament or I’d have bought it! 🤣
hahahaha. I hear that
It's a lot like the way I use left hand low. Try to to keep arm and shaft stable to insure impact.
Yessir!
Why didn't you use the Quintic System to measure?
We need to add a mount to the platform so we can👍
I don’t understand it but I putt WAY better when I actually allow the wrists to flex and release under the natural weight of the club. I get a better roll and more consistency and distance control. When I keep the wrists still, I drive the shaft and hit too much down on the ball. Kinda similar to what Dan Grieve talks about with chipping.
Given that Bryson uses this and the fact that he analyses everything, it’s no surprise that your analytics say the same thing. I’ll stick with the traditional just so I don’t get laughed off the course by my buddies. Chicken I know, but for us it’s about the camaraderie as well😇😎
Bryson is also anti-vax so...
Not many people laugh when someone has sub 28 putts per round or putts lights out. I would be more concerned with my score than what other people "think."
Should have done testing with the same putter. That lab putter has way different technology than that spider.
Not yet, but I will!
I bought a Lab putter however it’s the traditional style, I wonder how the numbers would stack up against your spider vs. lap putter?
I tried one arm putting and for reason I couldn’t get it to work for me, I could never get the shaft to rest conformably against my lead arm! Now I see Phil and Matt Kutcher having there one arm putter shaft lean against their back arm.
To me I didn’t see a issues with the long putter being anchored against your upper chest, so I don’t an issue with this either. If these two styles are no legal then isn’t the other legal, e.g. Claw, left arm low, or another style that eliminate the use of both hands? The only time this became an issue is when someone won starting winning with these anchoring styles.
Curious to know if you tried the non-armlock LAB DF putter with the forward press grip and see how that compares to these two as well.
We did. From a mechanics perspective, it was very similar to my “traditional” mechanics.
just brought a armlock putter bc of this video
Pretty sure this video pushed me over the edge to order a Lab armlock. Hard to argue against the data presented.
great!! Have fun with it!
I love all your videos. And, as a specialist putting coach even more this 'investigation'. What I don't get, why didn't you calibrate the SAM before the arm lock strokes? It affects static aim, which, affects tendency. So you're not able to compare the two styles of putting now.
About the angles. I agree an armlock putter eliminates flexion and extension, but what about feel? By throwing a ball your wrist is hinging as well. It's a subconsciousness part of your stroke. Maybe you should run a test at longer putts. See what happens with distance control.
Looking forward to your comments, and of course, the next videos. As well swing.
We calibrate every time we remove the triplet (or change clubs in GEARS). We just don’t put it in the videos because no one cares to watch it. We very much understand how to collect good data 🤓
It's an interesting subject. If anchoring a long putters is banned, I think arm locking is just as questionable . A putter should be the shortest club in the bag held with 2 hands, no anchoring.
It's not anchoring imo because its not attached to the body the arms are still freely moving. I came to the decision a long time ago that it is the best putting method for removing error in the stroke. Exactly why imo Bryson uses it and is probably the best putter on the planet right now!
I have a standard putter and don't use armlock...BUT...I could never understand why anchoring was banned. Did it help? Well obviously for some, but I could never make it work. And what if it did...did they ban Gene Sarazen's sand wedge...or big-headed drivers...or Bryson's one-size clubs?! Did it 'take the skill away'? Well, see answer to the first question - imho anchoring requires its own skill set. Of all the technology and technique improvements over the last 30 years, anchoring is one of the least obviously potent (how many pros ever used it - surely the acid test?), yet that's the one they ban. Strange.
It is anchoring and it should be banned because it offers a technical advantage, alternatively, other anchoring points should be allowed too. Great video. I'm sold.
thanks for your comment!
This is a Big Deal!!! I have always been a below average putter My direction and green reading is has been good. Some times when it gets crazy way long or short. I putt conventionally right had low. On my back stroke wrist break back. On the forward stroke the wrist break forward. I don't feel it but everyone sees it. Way to wristy.
I have had the some problem for years. I average 33-34 putts per round with two 3 putts. I still shoot in the low 80's. I think the arm lock will be the answer. Thank you.
I’ll be trying one out tomorrow! Hopefully, the USGA is blocked from seeing this video 🤣
shhhh! haha
Bought a $400 armlock putter - it is so uncomfortable, I can’t even make solid contact. What am I doing wrong?
Called the manufacturer for advice, all they said is “keep practicing.” Frustrating!
Would be tough to offer specifics without seeing how your setup and moving with it. A local putting pro should be able to help.
Whatever works I always say, I think holding or bracing the putter against the arm is just fine, the arms are both moving together in the stroke so to me the grip is not anchored to your body, so to speak. The USGA should backoff, has nothing to do with overpowering the courses.
I’m trying to determine if it was the arm lock putter itself that caused the improvement or was it because it allowed a more structured “V” of the arms? Could one use a traditional putter while maintaining a structured “V” and achieve similar results? Thanks for the great content.
We had the same same thought too. We did the same test trying to maintain the V. While it felt the same to me during the stroke, the measured numbers showed it to be much closer to the traditional style than the arm lock. The feel was very similar, but the data wasn't.
@@AthleticMotionGolf I am curious to know if it was the lab putter…OR…the arm lock that truly made the difference. Good stuff guys!
@@ChuckEvansGolf we’ve been able to test 4 different manufacturers so far with arm locking. The same mechanical as has been there with all. The biggest variable has been aim. I’ve personally found the LAB to be the easiest to aim so far, and it does have a very “moving on rails” feel.
@@AthleticMotionGolf thanks for the input. I had one from the original owner. Couldn’t aim it…don’t like lines on a putter, and wound up giving it away.
Is the armlock in your bag now? If not, why? 👍🏻
No self respecting golfer uses an anchored putter.
lol
Heck, I already feel like I’m cheating with my Spider X. Like you said, it’s only a matter of time. Science proves it right? Let’s keep the art of putting detached. We don’t want to add on smaller holes to longer golf courses do we?
lol
NO we do not 🥴🤣
As for Arm-Lock - YES! I’d love to try it/use it but it IS anchoring and a ban will soon follow. As your video demonstrates conclusively, it does in fact give you a mechanical advantage. Sure, it’s available for everybody to use but it’s not the method of putting intended in the tradition sense of the game ( holding the grip in your hands, and slapping it in the hole ).
Im wondering if it's too late to ban now. We will see!
It’s 100% anchoring and should be banned just like anchoring to your sternum except I believe this arm lock anchoring is even more effective. I have heard the reason why more guys are not switching to it is because it’s soon going away
its good but the belly putter were even better in my opinion. I made everything and I cried when they took it from me haha. Fun while it lasted.
I think you may have just given the R&A and USPGA all the evidence they need to ban this too. Only a matter of time……. Off to buy one now while it is still legal. 😂😂😂
You think they watch TH-cam? 😂
@@AthleticMotionGolf I bet they watch YOUR TH-cam 😉
@@ChrisWilliams-cb9kt 😂 then PLEASE change divots in the fairway to "ground under repair."
@@AthleticMotionGolf 😂😂😂 even better, get golfers to fix them 👍
@@ChrisWilliams-cb9kt for sure never an excuse for not doing that! But down here that means filling with sand so it’s like having a few hundred extra bunkers in the fairway that I doubt were on the original plans 😂
Well still not banned nor should be. The putter is clearly not anchored as the grip moves with the lead arm. This is not dissimilar to a conventional putter. This method really only takes out the wrist movement.
I've just converted to a Sik putter now in 2023 and it seems to help me with my otherwise bad putting. It does not make me a better putter than the good putters at my club. I can't see why all these testers talk about anchoring and banning. The game is hard enough. What about banning graphite shafts, titanium driver heads and move back to hickory shafts.
It is just part of a natural progression. If it is such an advantage there is nothing stopping all golfers using them.
Love the channel! But the audio is awful on this video
Lab science is all well and good. How does this translate into the real world? Assume the average golfer has 36 putts/round with traditional putter. How many will he have with the armlock putter?
This isn’t science lol. We measuring the difference between two methods of putting. The average golfer is not good at green reading, speed control, or stroke mechanics. This video is about one of those elements.
@@AthleticMotionGolf It would be good to give both types of putter to golfers of all handicaps and measure how much, if any, improvement they realize on the course. The armlock method has improved my putting by taking the wrists out of the equation. Success breeds confidence which breeds more success. I enjoy your channel.
@@ronbarton6739 would make for a really cool study for sure!
Ban it pls. It’s still anchoring and it looks hideous on tv. 😬
I can't disagree. It should have been banned when they took away the other anchored strokes.
love the channel and most of your analysis but i think this one has missed the mark.
you need to compare a traditional LAB putter to an arm lock lAB putter before you credit all the improvement seen here to simply arm locking-- there is a lot of technology in all LAB putters that will help you square the face and you cannot attribute all the gains here to arm locking. two variables changed in this comparison. scientifically you cannot say this os due to arm lock putting or LAB putter -- this experimant does NOT actually give an answer to the question because you did not control all variables except arm locking. if you tested it against a traditional length LAB putter - the arm lock could be better or worse- or the same-- you still do not know. please do another to see whether or not arm locking matters-- i firmly believe the LAB putter beats the spider arm lock or no arm lock.
Your test should have been with the same putter head. The Lab putter head is totally different to the spider in respect to technology. The test here is more about different putters not necessarily Arm lock vs standard. Sorry Direct force, this video did not really do justice to your technology.
It showcases the mechanical advantage of having the putter locked to your arm. It's an advantage no matter how you look at it. Did you watch the entire video?
@@AthleticMotionGolf yes I watched the whole video. It's only the wrist hinge you can really take from this experiment. The technology on the lab putter significantly outweighs the spider so the data on the putting machine can't be compared. Nonetheless, great video, would have loved to seen it with the same type of putter being compared.
How to improve your putting…. Go buy a 340.00 armlock putter… well I’ve done that, what now
Sell sell sell........
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