This version is more for the members of the Church. The current one that the Church uses is more for the whole world to understand the reasons why we have the Church today. I know that Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Kingdom of God Restored through this Prophet Joseph, Preparing the World for the Lord's Second Coming!
I love this version. Some of my ancestors were among the first settlers in Logan and Bountiful, Utah. The Ellis elementary school in Logan was founded by my great great great grandfather, James Ellis
I don't know why this isn't the version the official L.D.S. TH-cam channel uses. It's better in every way I can think of; pacing, music, line delivery, scripting, narration (or lack thereof)...
They took out scenes that I felt were very powerful and impactful and replaced them with scenes that didn’t seem to have the same effect. Including one of my favorite scenes. It’s been a while since I watched the newer version (I only watched it once and stuck to the first version) but I do remember that quite specifically.
Isn't it the same as the full version we find on the app .. I just watching as inactive right now but for some reason I feel like I need to watch not sure why but I guess some ppl would say there is something in this I need to remind myself off and act upon .. not been to church in 3 years
I love this version ❤ my biggest dream as a child was to meet Joseph Smith when I went to Nauvoo when I was 13 years old I could feel him close to me he is my favourite person in the world I love him and I have that in his hard times he was still strong for his wife and family x If I was to be in this position I would have gave up I love my Saviour Jesus Christ and i know that Joseph Smith was and still is a prophet and I would that if I don’t give up in life I can be like him and my Saviour I say this in the name Jesus Christ Amen x❤
Wow this cut is so much better. Honestly, a lot of the other movies makes Joseph look boring In the journals of people, he loved to wrestle, play with the children, a fighter, and walked with a limp
So glad to finally find this version on TH-cam! I was disappointed to see the “Praise to the Man” tribute cut out in the version on the church’s TH-cam channel
I love this movie, and the newer version too, but if you want a more accurate and complete account of Joseph Smith’s life, I recommend you read “Saints: Volume 1.” It includes both things that make him look good and bad. It doesn’t hide anything. I think it has citations too. Just wanted to put it out there for the people posting about inaccuracies in the movie.
I testify that Joseph Smith was a prophet; called by God to restore the gospel of Jesus Christ again on the earth for all mankind. The Book of Mormon is likewise a testament to Jesus Christ's divinity as the Son of God and Joseph Smith's mantle as His messenger.
Well TJ, you just go on wearing your holy underwear and performing your cultish temple rituals. You just keep on giving ten percent of. your hard earned income (with absolutely no accounting of it provided to the church members) so those temples can be built while every year 9 million children die before age 5 of malaria or malnutrition. You just keep on spending a substantial part of your well earned weekend crammed into a brick building singing horseshit like "praise to the man," you just keep on ignoring the overwhelming consensus of the academic community other than those drawing a paycheck from BYU that everything about the Smith narrative and the BofM is nonsense. I for one have a life to live and intend to live it free of cult bullshit like the mormon church.
@@zachgarver7922 Wow! So much hatred for something you probably don’t understand. What are you doing to help the children? Are you giving people hope because The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints gives 16 million Mormons hope. Satan has tempted your mind and blocked you from the true word of God. Like the brother said. Joseph Smith is a prophet. Jesus is the Christ and he shall come again very soon in fact. Sooner then you think.
@@nathanhorn8638 No hatred, contempt maybe for the leadership, but no hatred for rank and file whatsoever. Just trying to help people see clear of the spiritual Stalinist Russia you live in, complete with thought crimes. Incidentally Nathan, the 16 million figure is quite problematic. The church uses total membership in the figure, including the roughly half who have quit for all intents and purposes. Your church makes it difficult to formally quit, so they count people who just don't bother to go through the process. The only place your church is increasing numbers is in Latin American and some parts of Asia. Participation in Europe is down to roughly ten percent, in the US it is stagnant, due mostly to births. Why are people leaving in droves? Because the internet has made it easy to learn the truth about this church that has concealed and lied about so much of its history and narrative. You should listen to yourself, "Satan has tempted your mind and blocked..." You have no sense how quintessentially cult that is, any opposing or critical view must come from Satan. In fact, no faith is more devil made me do it than Mormons. I challenge you Nathan to find the TRUTH, and truth doesn't come by prayer. It comes by doing exactly what your enlightened leaders like Oaks and Holland have warned you not to do, that is research the Smith narrative and the Book of Mormon like you would a secular subject you intend to peer review and publish. You will find that having dedicated so much of your life to a lie will most likely lead to a personal crisis, such as being shunned by family. Mormons of course exalt in claiming the family as the root and centerpiece of all that is sacred, that is until one decides to regain their critical faculties and question the church, then it is adios to that member. Know any other churches that tell their members that family members who leave the church can be an evil influence and should be avoided? But in the end, you will find breaking free of this cult is oh so liberating.
@@zachgarver7922 on his first visit to the prophet Joseph Smith, Moroni told him..."that my name should be had for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people" You're the fulfillment of that prophecy, thank you brother, thank you!
Brilliant. I know Joseph Smith was a prophet and that the Book of Mormon is true. As a member of the Church, I have seen the blessings of the Book of Mormon firsthand.
I have new revelations. The Heavenly Father has revealed that I am the next prophet. You must have an open heart to believe. Follow me into the woods and we will be a testament to the faith. You shall be the Oliver Cowdery 2.0 and we can build a dynasty. Amen.
OH WOW‼️ THE CREATOR REALLY DID TRY TO SPEAK TO THIS GUY JOSEPH SMITH ‼️ AND THIS MOVIE PROVES IT ‼️💯 45:33 & 46:09 ‼️To bad he didn't listen: In case a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises in your midst and does give you a sign or a Wonder and that sign or wonder does come true and he says to you come let us go serve other gods that you or your fathers have not known you must not listen to a prophet or a dreamer of that dream because Hashem your G-d is testing you to know whether or not you truly love Hashem your G-d with all your heart and soul -Deuteronomy 13:1-3 However there will also come among you false prophets and teachers, these very ones Will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that brought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves 2 peter 2:1
Long shot, but does anyone know the song or have a link to the rendition of praise to the man at 1:07:30-1:08:15? I like this instrumental but can't find it anywhere. Maybe it's the same as the one at 1:03:00-1:04:00 too
There are those made into Saints and Popes…. so why could there not be more modern day Prophets and Healers? Hypocrisy is dangerous, in that it ceases a true and full existence, it makes one blind. This was moving and Good.
If the book of Mormon isn't true? Why should the Bible even mention it in the book of Isaiah? Of all Places? Then, where Did Joseph Get the Doctrine? Even if Joseph had obtained historical facts from local libraries or community conversations-for which there is no substantiating evidence-the real issue still remains: Where did he get the deep and expansive doctrine taught in the Book of Mormon-much of which is contrary to the religious beliefs of his time? For example, contemporary Christianity taught that the Fall was a negative, not a positive, step forward, as taught in the Book of Mormon (see 2 Nephi 2). Likewise, contrary to contemporary beliefs, the Book of Mormon refers to a premortal existence in Alma 13 (see Alma 13:1-11) and to a postmortal spirit world in Alma 40 (see Alma 40:11-14). Where did Joseph Smith get these profound doctrinal truths that were in fact contrary to the prevailing doctrinal teachings of his time? Where did he get the stunning sermon on faith in Alma 32? Or one of the greatest sermons ever recorded in all scripture on the Savior’s Atonement as delivered by King Benjamin (see Mosiah 2-5)? Or the allegory of the olive tree with all its complexity and doctrinal richness (see Jacob 5)? When I read that allegory, I have to map it out to follow its intricacies. Are we supposed to believe that Joseph Smith just dictated these sermons off the top of his head with no notes whatsoever? The doctrinal truths taught in the Book of Mormon are overwhelming evidence of its divine authenticity. Nephi prophesied that in our day an exceeding great many would stumble in finding the truth. Why? “Because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the [Bible]” (1 Nephi 13:29). Here are but two examples of plain and precious doctrinal truths that were clarified or restored in the Book of Mormon: 1. Baptism. Much of the Christian world debates whether or not baptism is essential for salvation; they stumble over this issue. Let me read just one of many scriptures on this subject from the Book of Mormon: “[God] commandeth all men that they must repent, and be baptized in his name, . . . or they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God” (2 Nephi 9:23). Should there be any debate about the necessity of baptism after that scripture? The Book of Mormon makes clear that which is unclear to much of the Christian world. The majority of the Christian world embraces sprinkling and pouring as legitimate modes of baptism. The Savior Himself addressed this issue in the Book of Mormon: “Then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water” (3 Nephi 11:26; emphasis added). What is ambiguous for many is crystal clear in the Book of Mormon. Must one be baptized by authority, or is sincerity sufficient? Do we make covenants at the time of baptism, and, if so, what are those covenants? Should infants be baptized? Again and again the Book of Mormon comes to the rescue, giving answers and restoring many plain and precious truths about baptism that were distorted or lost during the Apostasy. How did Joseph Smith know all these answers when the rest of the Christian world was so confused? Because he received them by revelation from God as he translated the Book of Mormon. 2. What about Christ’s Atonement-the central doctrine of all Christianity? The clarity and expansiveness of this doctrine as taught in the Book of Mormon is beyond honest dispute. The Old and New Testaments have some scattered doctrinal gems on the Atonement (which we greatly appreciate and benefit from), but the Book of Mormon has numerous sermons-entire masterpieces-on the subject. For example: a. 2 Nephi 2 is a mind-expanding sermon on the relationship between the Fall and Christ’s Atonement. While the rest of the Christian world believes that the Fall was a step backward in man’s progress, Lehi taught us the truth-that the Fall coupled with the Atonement is a giant step forward. b. 2 Nephi 9:7 introduces for the first time the phrase “an infinite atonement,” revealing the expansiveness, scope, and depth of Christ’s saving power. c. Mosiah 2-5 is King Benjamin’s sermon. It gives insights about the depth of Christ’s suffering, the retroactive as well as prospective nature of Christ’s Atonement, and the power of the Atonement to remove our guilt as well as our sins. d. Alma 7 explains that the Savior suffered not only for our sins but also for our “pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind” (Alma 7:11). e. 3 Nephi 11 is the most powerful witness we have of the resurrected Lord, as 2,500 believers, consisting of men, women, and children (see 3 Nephi 17:25) came forth and “thrust their hands into his side,” felt “the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet,” and “did know of a surety and did bear record” (3 Nephi 11:15) that He was the Son of God. Who can read that account and not feel the witness of the Spirit testifying of its truthfulness? f. The Bible teaches us that, through the Atonement, Christ can make us clean; the Book of Mormon teaches us that, through the Atonement, Christ can also make us perfect (see Moroni 10:32-33).31 Does anyone honestly believe that Joseph Smith somehow invented these profound doctrines with their compelling powers of reason, their mind-expanding insights, and their language, which is divinely eloquent? If these doctrines were the product of Joseph’s creative mind, one might ask, “Were there no other creative geniuses in the 1,800 years following Christ’s ministry who could produce similar doctrines?” The argument that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon is simply counter to the realities of life. It is one thing to have creative ideas; it is quite another to put them into a complex but coherent and harmonious whole, inundated with majestic doctrinal truths and all done in a single draft in less than ninety days. Joseph Smith’s wife, Emma, the person who knew him better than any other, confirmed this conclusion: “Joseph Smith [as a young man] could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter; let alone dictat[e] a book like the Book of Mormon.”32
Brilliant logic. A guy who can’t read or write, swindles money, runs from the law and convinces everyone it’s okay to bang any broad he wants within his following…Dude was a mastermind. How could anyone actually think this guy was a psychopath?
@@landoctor94 if he did, that makes him even more of a psychopath 😂 Resurrect this guy today, and you have every sociopathic predator you see on TV starting a cult. He took advantage of naive minds from middle America, created a following, so he could justify his immoral behavior. He was a nut job. Thankfully, his 2023 followers are some of the kindest people I’ve met. They still are brainwashed. And it’s 100% possible to be a fully kind, moral and selfless person without believing in a dude who had a weird revelation in the woods. The guy was a clear pervert and criminal. Of course he got chased out of every town. He was no martyr 😂 Great movies though. They make me feel fuzzy inside.
He got the doctrine from demons as it is written " 1 timothy 4;1-5 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; and again the scripture saith "2 Corinthians 11:14 King James Version 14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of ligh . Repent and believe the Gospel Acts 2:38. Joseph Smith was a fasle prophet.
Yes I'm particularly fond that a great being came up with "And it came to pass". They so loved it so that they repeated it 20,000 times. LOL.. Wake up to yourself already
Read 3rd Nephi in the Book of Mormon. As a Christian, I think you will find something very special there. In Jerusalem Jesus said, Other sheep I have...they shall hear my voice.
BYU requested that I take it down. None of these movies are mine, so I have to do that whenever they ask. It's only happened about a dozen times, but yeah, some of my personal favorites, like this one and "The Phone Call" I've had to take down. It can still be found on other channels that are smaller than mine, though, who've not yet been asked to take them down.
@@HardtoFindMormonVideoswould you please list some of the smaller channels like yours. I am very thankful to you for all your time and efforts in gathering and making available all that you have. Que Dios te bendiga !
I need help finding a video clip I saw in the MTC 20 years ago. It was of a young elder who gave the story of the first vision in sign language. I had never felt the spirit stronger then I did seeing this! If anyone has any idea of how to find it, please let me know and thank you in advance!
It would be nice if they made an accurate movie. For example the translation, where is his white top hat? Why he is not putting his head in the hat when translating? Etc etc…also where are all his treasure digging events? Where is his glass looker trial?
Joseph used a number of tools during the translation process. That’s not important. The important thing is that he did indeed translate the Book of Mormon through the gift and power of God. Read it and pray about it and you can know for yourself. God cannot lie.
@@landoctor94 feelings and emotions are not a good indicator of truth. Have you ever been in a court room? Their not interested in feelings or emotions, their interested in facts. Here’s a fact Joseph in a court room for using his stone to find buried treasure.
@@TheChenny73 can you prove even the existence of God in a court room? Nope. So all we have are feelings and “emotions” like the ones talked about in the scriptures. A wicked and perverse generation seeketh a sign.
I was hoping to learn something about the beliefs of the Mormons as I have for many years been interested in this group and its belief. This movie tells me nothing. It is just the story melodramatically describing the life of a martyr. There is little that could not be a token of many sects of Christianity. I'll try somwhere else. Bless all my Mormon brothers and sisters, and all beings everwhere in everytime. I strive for kindness. I hope you folks will too.
It demonstrates how central Joseph Smith is to the Mormons, but thats about it. The Godmakers is a decent overview, if a little more obvious in its bias and makes some inferences that, while reasonable given the doctrine, are ones that Mormons will deny (God having many goddess wives, for instance). And some of the doctrine presented in it regarding race (but not all) is dated or rather later "redacted." South Park is ironically a little more balanced in its portrayal of Mormons and their beliefs as well. I would call those both decent starting points paired together. But Mormon lore is a massive and complex rabbit hole.
I love how he sees God as a 13 year old and then waits over a Dozen years to tell anybody about it. He then proceeded to give 5 or more highly different versions over the next decade. Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith was so disturbed by one of them (the 1st first vision) that he tore it out of Joseph's journal and hid it in his safe for several decades. You can read all about this on the church's website in the gospel topics essays
Yes and how he dismisses the description of God by saying he was beyond description very clever ! If I saw God you best believe I would remember what he looked like and I would tell everyone I saw God
They originally said, "Your wife is REEAALLL PRETTY!" "Yeah and might lonesome too I bet!" They changed this to what you see here not long after its initial release.
It is very historically accurate with what it did show. There is too much material to cover in even a 2 hour movie, much less in 1 hour and 9 minutes. So they focused on what was important in the formation of the church.
I’ve been an ex-Mormon for many years now and I know the church to be naught but a manipulative and fraudulent organization which is not unlike Scientology, but my aunt used to take me to go see this at the Joseph Smith Memorial Building in SLC when I was a kid and it was among the fonder memories of my childhood. If nothing else my Mormon heritage and upbringing instilled in me an appreciation for history, a penchant for elaborate fantasy books, and a fascination with mythology. And it taught me how to treat people by showing me how not to treat people.
Joseph Smith was a fraud. When it comes to religion, don't blindly believe, do your own research and don't just follow emotions or peer pressure. Investigating for yourself is the best way for you to know what you're doing.
@@garrettrichards5559 ye shall know them by their fruits, said Jesus. I invite you to see the fruits of the Restore Church of Jesus Christ as a whole and the sincere will see the hand of God on it.
@@legacy756 Thanks for reaching out, I always enjoy good faith discussions with people who do not necessarily agree with me. It's always good to find common ground. I am familiar with that scripture. Ye shall know them by their fruits. If you continue, Jesus also says: "A corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit" Joseph Smith was a corrupt tree who brought forth evil fruit. Jesus warned to BEWARE false prophets. When you look at Joseph Smith from an objective perspective, not only through the lens of what the Mormon church finds acceptable for you to read, most people draw the conclusion that he brought forth evil fruit.
@@garrettrichards5559 one fruit is the Book of Mormon, when you read it you feel the spirit and come closet to God and Christ by abiding by its precepts. He that wants to do the will of the Lord will know if the Doctrine is from God, said Jesus. We need to live what we find in the BOM to test if it gets us closer to God.
I'm sorry but imho preachers were/are not interested in others souls, for the most part, as they are interested in how much will end up in the collection plate, especially the prosperity reachers
Your a fool , like any Mormon , they believe in fairytales , Now for some truth , $ 100-150 Billion in cash , stocks and shell company’s , they just got fined from the IRS for hiding 32 Billion dollars, Fine was 5 million .
It's interesting that this film depicts Joseph's relationship with Emma to be loving and caring. It shows him buying her jewelry, dancing with her, outside playing with their children, etc. However, the film doesn't say anything about Joseph's 30+ plural wives, or the fact that Emma strongly objected to his practice, or that she ordered some of those women out of her house when she suspected that her husband was having sex with them. Also, the film makes no mention of the fact that Joseph's polygamy practice was the direct cause of his death. So I'd place this film in the fiction category.
Polygamy was an important practice in Mormon history because there were far more women than men, and men were expected to help provide housing and food resources for these unattached women. First wives sometimes grumbled, but most learned to greatly appreciate their sister wives. My great grandmother adored her sister wife. But sometimes grumbled.
@@kf1000 "Polygamy was an important practice in Mormon history because there were far more women than men" Your very first statement here is completely untrue. There was never a time in 19th century Mormonism wherein women outnumbered men. That is just a false assertion invented by Mormon apologists to try to justify polygamy. You haven't studied the actual facts, so you blindly accept what you have been told in Sunday School class or wherever. In his 1943 book, “Evidences and Reconciliations, Apostle John A. Widtsoe explained: “Plural marriage has been a subject of wide and frequent comment. Members of the Church unfamiliar with its history, and many non-members, have set up fallacious reasons for the origin of this system of marriage among the Latter-day Saints. "The most common of these conjectures is that the Church, through plural marriage, sought to provide husbands for its large surplus of female members. The implied assumption in this theory, that there have been more female than male members in the Church, is not supported by existing evidence. On the contrary, there seem always to have been more males than females in the Church... "The United States census records from 1850 to 1940, and all available Church records, uniformly show a preponderance of males in Utah, and in the Church. Indeed, the excess in Utah has usually been larger than for the whole United States, as would be expected in a pioneer state. The births within the Church obey the usual population law - a slight excess of males... "The theory that plural marriage was a consequence of a surplus of female Church members fails from lack of evidence... "Another conjecture is that the people were few in number and that the Church, desiring greater numbers, permitted the practice so that a phenomenal increase in population could be attained. This is not defensible, since there was no surplus of women.” End quote. Because historical evidence shows that Joseph Smith "plural married" at least eleven women who were currently married to other men---including the wives of apostles and other high-ranking leaders---and Smith also "plural married" at least eleven teenaged girls who, after Smith's death, went on to marry other men---then there was no socially justifiable need for Smith to "plural marry" all of those females, which numbered 33 or more. One of Smith's married "plural wives" was Zina Huntington Jacobs, wife of Henry Jacobs. After Smith's death, his successor, Brigham Young, "plural married" Zina and told Henry that he would have to go and find another wife. Zina bore Young's child in 1850. If you aren't aware, Zina became the general president of the Relief Society after Eliza Snow. Incidents like this reveal that Mormon polygamy was a "pecking order" system, wherein the highest-ranking church leaders could amass the largest number of sexually desirable women. Young sired some 56 children by at least 16 different mothers. This practice actually created a shortage of marriage-aged young women for young men to marry, rather than there being a surplus of women as you assert. So obviously, your assertion that 19th century Mormons practiced polygamy because there were more women than men is completely false. I hope you internalize this information and apply it to every other false idea you've been taught by the church about polygamy. The REASON that church leaders and apologists concoct these false justifications is so that rank-and-file church members like you will believe that polygamy served a social need. But the actual facts show that that is utterly false.
That is a lie that even the church doesn't offer any more. In fact every census and demographic study of Nauvoo in Smith's time revealed there was slightly more men than women. Any honest study of mormon polygamy reveals a practice based on coercion, manipulation, and lies. Study it dude, there is plentiful primary sources from the victims themselves. Lucy Walker's account, the Zina Huthchinson account, the so-called "Happiness Letter" to Nancy Rigdon to name just three. Each alone bears testament to the fact Smith was an adulterer, groomer, and sexual predator of the vilest sort. Yet, compared to Young, his predations and perversions were relatively mild.@@kf1000
@@kf1000Interesting, so if it were vice versa and there were far more men than women would it be ok for one woman to have 30 husbands? No, you can bet your last dollar Mormons wouldn't stand for that! Stop making excuses for Smiths justified adultery
And then for the next 150 years Brigham Young and the rest of the Apostles treated blacks as if they were unValiant in their premortal existence and the reason that their skin was black was because they were cursed by God
And then they foolishly remembered that blacks make up a large part of the world and that they too can be lied to and harvested for 10% and let into the cult
@@sdfotodude I was not being sincere it disgusts me that Mormonism thrives tax free for almost 200 years that they lie and deceive lying about being Christian however God allows them to exist
And where's the part where he falsely accuses a few Apache men of stealing horses just so he had an excuse to go out massacre innocent Apaches? Including women and children..
Favorite part is in jail when the drunk guys are collectively acting like unrealistic, evil demons, and the polygamist - already having guns delivered to his cell - stands up and tells them to shut their mouths 😅. Dude would have gotten his butt beat in any prison if he wasn’t protected.
@@guidadiehl9176 well - let’s just not act like he wasn’t a blatant criminal. And it was some supernatural power that helped him. He had guns supplied because he was screwed and obsessed with himself. Reminds me of every cartel and cult leader the past 120 years. Nothing new under the sun. It’s the same hokey non-sense.
Also in the final scene, that they left out that Smith himself also had a revolver and shot through the door at the assailants, wounding three. "Oh Lord, my God, is there no help for the widow's son?" is the Masonic Grand Hailing Sign of Distress, Smith probably tried to see if there were Masons amongst the attackers.
@@bn2870I think he had guns supplied because he knew he was helpless in jail and could easily be attacked and killed in there. Turns out he was right.
To detail all the lies in this movie would take as long as the movie itself. My favorite however is the forlorn and mournful Emma casting loving last looks at her faithful husband. By this time Smith was married to at least 35 other women. 11 were already married, and he "consummated" (lol) at least 12 of them. At least two of them were under 16. All this the church admits to, albeit with their ludicrous spin and apologies. His line for many of his wives, especially the young ones was that an angel had appeared to him with a sword and threatened him with death if they didnt marry him. On the other hand if they and their families were guaranteed eternal salvation if they consented. So young teenage girls confronted with this dilemma from a person they believed to be a prophet of God. Lives ruined. Furthermore, Smith married at least 12 of them before he even had the polygamy "revelation." He also was "sealed" to at least as many before he even did so to Emma. Finally he lied about his polygamy to the public and church member rank and file to his dying day, and the mormon church lied about it for 160 years. By the time Smith went to jail on charges of wanton destruction of property, Emma knew much of this. Their marriage was strained to the breaking point. Smith was a fraud and a lying scumbag, though a moral stalwart compared to Young.
Interesting argument, however it is hard to say we know for certain 100 % anything from that time period. Regardless, we may follow the lords recipe for discernment as we look towards the fruits... Those of Joseph and those of the book of mormon. Recognizing how many lives have been mended, healed, and brought back to life, joy and hope, and realizing the driving divinity behind those fruits. That is something we can see and be 100% sure of, instead of the unknown parts of jumbled conspiracies.
@@Maxterx29x Gottcha' Mack...don't be fooled by facts and history, go with the spirit. Man, you are this cult's dream sucker. Like Oaks, Holland, et al said, don't research, that is Satan's temptation, just pray.
I'm no Mormon zealot, my spiritual beliefs encompass a variety of philosophies. And there is some truth to what you say. But there are elements that I wonder where your sources came from (actually I wonder where ALL of your sources came from....) What's the source that indicates Joseph and Emma's marriage was "strained to the breaking point?" And let's just throw away your ad hominem in your last sentence; that's one of the most common logical fallacies used by anyone. As far as the timeline of when who married who, again -- source? One thing I will agree with is that the church did lie about polygamy. Likely fearing the consequences if they were honest. But I haven't lived in the 1840s so I can't judge how things really were. As far as an angel telling "young teenage girls" (you seem to like that phrase) that if they didn't marry Smith they would die, again -- source? And how do you know "lives were ruined" via the practice of some of these principles?
@@jaeboogie2786 Brigham Young was a member is the LDS church who was very close to Joseph Smith, and who was called by God and sustained by the majority of church membership to take on the role of church president after Joseph and Hyrum's deaths. He is the one who led the Nauvoo survivors and later pioneers to the Rockies where the Deseret Territory was established (until the US gov't took control and renamed it the Utah Territory).
@@bobbq8380 Exodus 33:20, “But He [God] said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!” John 1:18, “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.” John 5:37, “And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.” John 6:46, “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.” 1 Tim. 6:15-16, “He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.” *** Hath seen God. Gen. 17:1, “Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am God Almighty; Walk before Me, and be blameless; Gen. 18:1, “Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.” Exodus 6:2-3, “God spoke further to Moses and said to him, “I am the LORD; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.” Exodus 24:9-11, “Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.” Num. 12:6-8, “He said, ‘Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. 7 “Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?” Acts 7:2, “And he [Stephen] said, ‘Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia before he lived in Haran…'” If these verses mean what they say, then we naturally assume we have a contradiction. Actually, the contradiction exists in our understanding, not in the Bible, which is always the case with alleged biblical contradictions. All you need to do is accept what the Bible says. If the OT people were seeing the Almighty God, yet they not seeing the Father (John 6:46), then who was it? They saw someone else in the Godhead. They saw the Word before He became incarnate (John 1:1, 14). In other words, they were seeing the pre-incarnate Jesus.
@@nephite467 Gen. 17:1, “Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am God Almighty; Walk before Me, and be blameless; Gen. 18:1, “Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.” Exodus 6:2-3, “God spoke further to Moses and said to him, “I am the LORD; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.” Exodus 24:9-11, “Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.” Num. 12:6-8, “He said, ‘Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. 7 “Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?” Acts 7:2, “And he [Stephen] said, ‘Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia before he lived in Haran…'” All you need to do is accept what the Bible says. If the OT people were seeing the Almighty God, yet they were not seeing the Father (John 6:46), then who was it? They saw someone else in the Godhead. They saw the Word before He became incarnate (John 1:1, 14). In other words, they were seeing the pre-incarnate Jesus.
There’s no such thing as “Mormons” but the one who abridged the sacred records of all the books of scriptures that testifies Christ, Heavenly Father, and The Holy Ghost which is called The Book of Mormon and we are Christians.
@@napoleonwhitehorse971 You are Christian? You believe that? Do you not call yourselves Latter Day "Saints" If you are saints how can you be Christians?
@@Josephus-f1o We are called only by God but not by this world with labels. Reading the scriptures made a difference for me to know or come to the knowledge about Christ and Heavenly Father. And yes, we’re Saints and Christians too either one or both. That’s like the same thing as Christ’s other names are “The Holy One of Israel” and “The Messiah” from the Old Testament. Reading the scriptures makes a lot of difference with real intent and real faith to know if the scriptures are true. I felt the Spirit when I read. Maybe you can too.
Humility the first tenet of Christianity is to humble yourself before God not walk around and say I am a Saint I am without sin Joseph Smith is equal to Jesus-- Blasphemy actually there are over 30 reason why Mormons are not Christian-- Not believing in Jesus Christ his sacrifice on the cross his destruction of the temple or the Bible which teaches anyone teaching another gospel may he be accursed Galtians 1 7:8 and Lying are MAJOR reasons why Mormons are a cult owning shopping malls temples and not Christians
@@nephite467curse of Cain, Kolob, peeping in a hat, Kinderhook plates, countless versions of 1st vision, Garden of Eden in Missouri, Reformed Egyptian
@@nephite467It’s a cult. Chanting “Oh God, hear the words of my mouth” in a circle around a table with a box of peoples names. The green aprons, veils, and temple robes. The weird handshakes, new names, pass phrases, so-called “tokens” for the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthood you’re told you need to get into heaven. The Masonic symbols you guys have on your uncomfortable underwear. Taking a blood oath to not talk about the temple rituals I just mentioned. Being required to pay 10% of your income to be worthy of doing said occult rituals in the temple so you can be with your family in the afterlife. It all smacks of a cult. Your church’s secrets and frauds are being exposed for all the world to see and there’s nothing “sacred” about any of it.
This version is more for the members of the Church.
The current one that the Church uses is more for the whole world to understand the reasons why we have the Church today.
I know that Joseph Smith is a Prophet of God, and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Kingdom of God Restored through this Prophet Joseph, Preparing the World for the Lord's Second Coming!
How do you know he’s a prophet , did he ever prophesy anything that came true ?
whats the new one called
I love this version. Some of my ancestors were among the first settlers in Logan and Bountiful, Utah. The Ellis elementary school in Logan was founded by my great great great grandfather, James Ellis
I don't know why this isn't the version the official L.D.S. TH-cam channel uses. It's better in every way I can think of; pacing, music, line delivery, scripting, narration (or lack thereof)...
I love this version! So glad it's on youtube!
I'll be honest: I prefer this version to the later 2011 revision, too. ;-)
Rriiiigghhhttt!!!
What’s the difference between the versions?
They took out scenes that I felt were very powerful and impactful and replaced them with scenes that didn’t seem to have the same effect. Including one of my favorite scenes. It’s been a while since I watched the newer version (I only watched it once and stuck to the first version) but I do remember that quite specifically.
This is my favorite version! Thank you for putting it up here.
I get they're trying to reach a wider audience with the new one but this one is SO MUCH BETTER. It flows a lot better and is a lot better as a movie.
Truth
Isn't it the same as the full version we find on the app .. I just watching as inactive right now but for some reason I feel like I need to watch not sure why but I guess some ppl would say there is something in this I need to remind myself off and act upon .. not been to church in 3 years
Sometimes, you don't mess with the Original...
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@@justinramos7409 "don't mess with the original" is not an attitude mormons are very keen on
I love this version ❤ my biggest dream as a child was to meet Joseph Smith when I went to Nauvoo when I was 13 years old I could feel him close to me he is my favourite person in the world I love him and I have that in his hard times he was still strong for his wife and family x
If I was to be in this position I would have gave up I love my Saviour Jesus Christ and i know that Joseph Smith was and still is a prophet and I would that if I don’t give up in life I can be like him and my Saviour I say this in the name Jesus Christ Amen x❤
Wow this cut is so much better. Honestly, a lot of the other movies makes Joseph look boring
In the journals of people, he loved to wrestle, play with the children, a fighter, and walked with a limp
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Thank you! I love this version.
So glad to finally find this version on TH-cam! I was disappointed to see the “Praise to the Man” tribute cut out in the version on the church’s TH-cam channel
I love this movie, and the newer version too, but if you want a more accurate and complete account of Joseph Smith’s life, I recommend you read “Saints: Volume 1.” It includes both things that make him look good and bad. It doesn’t hide anything. I think it has citations too. Just wanted to put it out there for the people posting about inaccuracies in the movie.
No Man Knows My History by Fawn Brodie (David O. McCay’s niece) is a good one too.
Total pervert , Marrying other marry men’s wives after sending the husbands on Mormon missions, Dirt bag is all he was
@@LordAmaltheaBrodie was a little sensational, I prefer Rough stone rolling. That said, Bushman likes her work I think.
Joseph smith is my most favorite Prophet. He is (To me) a Prophet to look up too.
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Ya , screwing everybody’s wives , real good guy !
Do you like the fact that he married 30-40 woman or the polyandry , ( Married 11-14 married men’s wives .) and 14 year old girls , total pervert
One day I will shake ores Smiths hand and smile together about Jesus love for us❤
I testify that Joseph Smith was a prophet; called by God to restore the gospel of Jesus Christ again on the earth for all mankind. The Book of Mormon is likewise a testament to Jesus Christ's divinity as the Son of God and Joseph Smith's mantle as His messenger.
Well TJ, you just go on wearing your holy underwear and performing your cultish temple rituals. You just keep on giving ten percent of. your hard earned income (with absolutely no accounting of it provided to the church members) so those temples can be built while every year 9 million children die before age 5 of malaria or malnutrition. You just keep on spending a substantial part of your well earned weekend crammed into a brick building singing horseshit like "praise to the man," you just keep on ignoring the overwhelming consensus of the academic community other than those drawing a paycheck from BYU that everything about the Smith narrative and the BofM is nonsense. I for one have a life to live and intend to live it free of cult bullshit like the mormon church.
@@zachgarver7922 Wow! So much hatred for something you probably don’t understand. What are you doing to help the children? Are you giving people hope because The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints gives 16 million Mormons hope. Satan has tempted your mind and blocked you from the true word of God. Like the brother said. Joseph Smith is a prophet. Jesus is the Christ and he shall come again very soon in fact. Sooner then you think.
@@nathanhorn8638 No hatred, contempt maybe for the leadership, but no hatred for rank and file whatsoever. Just trying to help people see clear of the spiritual Stalinist Russia you live in, complete with thought crimes. Incidentally Nathan, the 16 million figure is quite problematic. The church uses total membership in the figure, including the roughly half who have quit for all intents and purposes. Your church makes it difficult to formally quit, so they count people who just don't bother to go through the process. The only place your church is increasing numbers is in Latin American and some parts of Asia. Participation in Europe is down to roughly ten percent, in the US it is stagnant, due mostly to births. Why are people leaving in droves? Because the internet has made it easy to learn the truth about this church that has concealed and lied about so much of its history and narrative. You should listen to yourself, "Satan has tempted your mind and blocked..." You have no sense how quintessentially cult that is, any opposing or critical view must come from Satan. In fact, no faith is more devil made me do it than Mormons. I challenge you Nathan to find the TRUTH, and truth doesn't come by prayer. It comes by doing exactly what your enlightened leaders like Oaks and Holland have warned you not to do, that is research the Smith narrative and the Book of Mormon like you would a secular subject you intend to peer review and publish. You will find that having dedicated so much of your life to a lie will most likely lead to a personal crisis, such as being shunned by family. Mormons of course exalt in claiming the family as the root and centerpiece of all that is sacred, that is until one decides to regain their critical faculties and question the church, then it is adios to that member. Know any other churches that tell their members that family members who leave the church can be an evil influence and should be avoided? But in the end, you will find breaking free of this cult is oh so liberating.
@@zachgarver7922 on his first visit to the prophet Joseph Smith, Moroni told him..."that my name should be had for good and evil among all nations, kindreds, and tongues, or that it should be both good and evil spoken of among all people"
You're the fulfillment of that prophecy, thank you brother, thank you!
@@legacy756 Got me there Legacy, I mean, who am I to argue with the absolute certitude of what Moroni told Smith?
I love this version. Thank you
Brilliant. I know Joseph Smith was a prophet and that the Book of Mormon is true. As a member of the Church, I have seen the blessings of the Book of Mormon firsthand.
I have new revelations. The Heavenly Father has revealed that I am the next prophet. You must have an open heart to believe. Follow me into the woods and we will be a testament to the faith. You shall be the Oliver Cowdery 2.0 and we can build a dynasty. Amen.
@@bn2870by their fruits ye shall know them. Where are your fruits?
@@landoctor94 I’ve performed miracles. But ye are of little faith. You can only know by following what the Father has revealed to me.
@@bn2870 word alone is not enough. What a joke.
@@landoctor94 hmmm… you sound like you don’t have faith. You can only come follow me and my disciples to see for yourself.
OH WOW‼️ THE CREATOR REALLY DID TRY TO SPEAK TO THIS GUY JOSEPH SMITH ‼️ AND THIS MOVIE PROVES IT ‼️💯 45:33 &
46:09 ‼️To bad he didn't listen:
In case a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises in your midst and does give you a sign or a Wonder and that sign or wonder does come true and he says to you come let us go serve other gods that you or your fathers have not known you must not listen to a prophet or a dreamer of that dream because Hashem your G-d is testing you to know whether or not you truly love Hashem your G-d with all your heart and soul
-Deuteronomy 13:1-3
However there will also come among you false prophets and teachers, these very ones Will quietly bring in destructive sects and will disown even the owner that brought them, bringing speedy destruction upon themselves
2 peter 2:1
Long shot, but does anyone know the song or have a link to the rendition of praise to the man at 1:07:30-1:08:15? I like this instrumental but can't find it anywhere. Maybe it's the same as the one at 1:03:00-1:04:00 too
There are those made into Saints and Popes…. so why could there not be more modern day Prophets and Healers? Hypocrisy is dangerous, in that it ceases a true and full existence, it makes one blind. This was moving and Good.
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Boy they sure left out a lot of the bad things
Nobody would join the church if they knew the true history
If the book of Mormon isn't true? Why should the Bible even mention it in the book of Isaiah? Of all Places?
Then, where Did Joseph Get the Doctrine?
Even if Joseph had obtained historical facts from local libraries or community conversations-for which there is no substantiating evidence-the real issue still remains: Where did he get the deep and expansive doctrine taught in the Book of Mormon-much of which is contrary to the religious beliefs of his time? For example, contemporary Christianity taught that the Fall was a negative, not a positive, step forward, as taught in the Book of Mormon (see 2 Nephi 2).
Likewise, contrary to contemporary beliefs, the Book of Mormon refers to a premortal existence in Alma 13 (see Alma 13:1-11) and to a postmortal spirit world in Alma 40 (see Alma 40:11-14). Where did Joseph Smith get these profound doctrinal truths that were in fact contrary to the prevailing doctrinal teachings of his time? Where did he get the stunning sermon on faith in Alma 32? Or one of the greatest sermons ever recorded in all scripture on the Savior’s Atonement as delivered by King Benjamin (see Mosiah 2-5)? Or the allegory of the olive tree with all its complexity and doctrinal richness (see Jacob 5)? When I read that allegory, I have to map it out to follow its intricacies. Are we supposed to believe that Joseph Smith just dictated these sermons off the top of his head with no notes whatsoever?
The doctrinal truths taught in the Book of Mormon are overwhelming evidence of its divine authenticity. Nephi prophesied that in our day an exceeding great many would stumble in finding the truth. Why? “Because of the many plain and precious things which have been taken out of the [Bible]” (1 Nephi 13:29). Here are but two examples of plain and precious doctrinal truths that were clarified or restored in the Book of Mormon:
1. Baptism. Much of the Christian world debates whether or not baptism is essential for salvation; they stumble over this issue. Let me read just one of many scriptures on this subject from the Book of Mormon: “[God] commandeth all men that they must repent, and be baptized in his name, . . . or they cannot be saved in the kingdom of God” (2 Nephi 9:23). Should there be any debate about the necessity of baptism after that scripture? The Book of Mormon makes clear that which is unclear to much of the Christian world.
The majority of the Christian world embraces sprinkling and pouring as legitimate modes of baptism. The Savior Himself addressed this issue in the Book of Mormon: “Then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water” (3 Nephi 11:26; emphasis added). What is ambiguous for many is crystal clear in the Book of Mormon. Must one be baptized by authority, or is sincerity sufficient? Do we make covenants at the time of baptism, and, if so, what are those covenants? Should infants be baptized?
Again and again the Book of Mormon comes to the rescue, giving answers and restoring many plain and precious truths about baptism that were distorted or lost during the Apostasy. How did Joseph Smith know all these answers when the rest of the Christian world was so confused? Because he received them by revelation from God as he translated the Book of Mormon.
2. What about Christ’s Atonement-the central doctrine of all Christianity? The clarity and expansiveness of this doctrine as taught in the Book of Mormon is beyond honest dispute. The Old and New Testaments have some scattered doctrinal gems on the Atonement (which we greatly appreciate and benefit from), but the Book of Mormon has numerous sermons-entire masterpieces-on the subject. For example:
a. 2 Nephi 2 is a mind-expanding sermon on the relationship between the Fall and Christ’s Atonement. While the rest of the Christian world believes that the Fall was a step backward in man’s progress, Lehi taught us the truth-that the Fall coupled with the Atonement is a giant step forward.
b. 2 Nephi 9:7 introduces for the first time the phrase “an infinite atonement,” revealing the expansiveness, scope, and depth of Christ’s saving power.
c. Mosiah 2-5 is King Benjamin’s sermon. It gives insights about the depth of Christ’s suffering, the retroactive as well as prospective nature of Christ’s Atonement, and the power of the Atonement to remove our guilt as well as our sins.
d. Alma 7 explains that the Savior suffered not only for our sins but also for our “pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind” (Alma 7:11).
e. 3 Nephi 11 is the most powerful witness we have of the resurrected Lord, as 2,500 believers, consisting of men, women, and children (see 3 Nephi 17:25) came forth and “thrust their hands into his side,” felt “the prints of the nails in his hands and in his feet,” and “did know of a surety and did bear record” (3 Nephi 11:15) that He was the Son of God. Who can read that account and not feel the witness of the Spirit testifying of its truthfulness?
f. The Bible teaches us that, through the Atonement, Christ can make us clean; the Book of Mormon teaches us that, through the Atonement, Christ can also make us perfect (see Moroni 10:32-33).31
Does anyone honestly believe that Joseph Smith somehow invented these profound doctrines with their compelling powers of reason, their mind-expanding insights, and their language, which is divinely eloquent? If these doctrines were the product of Joseph’s creative mind, one might ask, “Were there no other creative geniuses in the 1,800 years following Christ’s ministry who could produce similar doctrines?”
The argument that Joseph Smith wrote the Book of Mormon is simply counter to the realities of life. It is one thing to have creative ideas; it is quite another to put them into a complex but coherent and harmonious whole, inundated with majestic doctrinal truths and all done in a single draft in less than ninety days. Joseph Smith’s wife, Emma, the person who knew him better than any other, confirmed this conclusion: “Joseph Smith [as a young man] could neither write nor dictate a coherent and well-worded letter; let alone dictat[e] a book like the Book of Mormon.”32
Brilliant logic. A guy who can’t read or write, swindles money, runs from the law and convinces everyone it’s okay to bang any broad he wants within his following…Dude was a mastermind. How could anyone actually think this guy was a psychopath?
@@bn2870so did Joseph Smith write the Book of Mormon then?
@@landoctor94 if he did, that makes him even more of a psychopath 😂
Resurrect this guy today, and you have every sociopathic predator you see on TV starting a cult. He took advantage of naive minds from middle America, created a following, so he could justify his immoral behavior. He was a nut job. Thankfully, his 2023 followers are some of the kindest people I’ve met. They still are brainwashed. And it’s 100% possible to be a fully kind, moral and selfless person without believing in a dude who had a weird revelation in the woods. The guy was a clear pervert and criminal. Of course he got chased out of every town. He was no martyr 😂
Great movies though. They make me feel fuzzy inside.
He got the doctrine from demons as it is written " 1 timothy 4;1-5 4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; and again the scripture saith "2 Corinthians 11:14
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14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of ligh
. Repent and believe the Gospel Acts 2:38. Joseph Smith was a fasle prophet.
Yes I'm particularly fond that a great being came up with "And it came to pass". They so loved it so that they repeated it 20,000 times. LOL.. Wake up to yourself already
Joseph is my favorite prophet
"We will all see Alvin again" Joseph Smith
Im here as a non denominational christian trying to watch this before listening to the CES
You have probably had quite a journey down the rabbit hole.
Read 3rd Nephi in the Book of Mormon. As a Christian, I think you will find something very special there. In Jerusalem Jesus said, Other sheep I have...they shall hear my voice.
@@Leroy-w3i cause he’s the Shepard, a constant concept in the whole bible Matthew 18.
Which of the female characters are his other wives?
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Exactly.
There are a number of miamaids who could play Fannie Alger or Helen Marr Kimball
Did you delete the 1976 film "The first vision"? I can't find it. Love that film!
BYU requested that I take it down. None of these movies are mine, so I have to do that whenever they ask. It's only happened about a dozen times, but yeah, some of my personal favorites, like this one and "The Phone Call" I've had to take down. It can still be found on other channels that are smaller than mine, though, who've not yet been asked to take them down.
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@@HardtoFindMormonVideoswould you please list some of the smaller channels like yours. I am very thankful to you for all your time and efforts in gathering and making available all that you have. Que Dios te bendiga !
2:55 - 5:40 That was the scariest part of this movie. An immensely painful surgery that hurt like hell.
I need help finding a video clip I saw in the MTC 20 years ago. It was of a young elder who gave the story of the first vision in sign language. I had never felt the spirit stronger then I did seeing this! If anyone has any idea of how to find it, please let me know and thank you in advance!
It would be nice if they made an accurate movie. For example the translation, where is his white top hat? Why he is not putting his head in the hat when translating? Etc etc…also where are all his treasure digging events? Where is his glass looker trial?
Joseph used a number of tools during the translation process. That’s not important. The important thing is that he did indeed translate the Book of Mormon through the gift and power of God. Read it and pray about it and you can know for yourself. God cannot lie.
@@landoctor94 feelings and emotions are not a good indicator of truth. Have you ever been in a court room? Their not interested in feelings or emotions, their interested in facts. Here’s a fact Joseph in a court room for using his stone to find buried treasure.
@@TheChenny73 can you prove even the existence of God in a court room? Nope. So all we have are feelings and “emotions” like the ones talked about in the scriptures. A wicked and perverse generation seeketh a sign.
I was hoping to learn something about the beliefs
of the Mormons as I have for many years been interested in this group and
its belief. This movie tells me nothing.
It is just the story melodramatically describing
the life of a martyr. There is
little that could not be a token of many sects of Christianity.
I'll try somwhere else. Bless
all my Mormon brothers and sisters, and all beings everwhere in everytime.
I strive for kindness. I hope
you folks will too.
Ya, You could watch a Disney movie and get the same results , Both fairytales
It demonstrates how central Joseph Smith is to the Mormons, but thats about it.
The Godmakers is a decent overview, if a little more obvious in its bias and makes some inferences that, while reasonable given the doctrine, are ones that Mormons will deny (God having many goddess wives, for instance). And some of the doctrine presented in it regarding race (but not all) is dated or rather later "redacted." South Park is ironically a little more balanced in its portrayal of Mormons and their beliefs as well. I would call those both decent starting points paired together. But Mormon lore is a massive and complex rabbit hole.
This is by far the best Joseph Smith actor ever. i think he looks the most accurate to the paintings then another actor of Joseph ever.
Actor , yes Zero truth to Mormonism
Why wasn't Joseph able to save his brother Alvin's life using his super secret magical priesthood powers?
He didn't have the Priesthood yet and thus didn't know how to use it
I love how he sees God as a 13 year old and then waits over a Dozen years to tell anybody about it. He then proceeded to give 5 or more highly different versions over the next decade. Prophet Joseph Fielding Smith was so disturbed by one of them (the 1st first vision) that he tore it out of Joseph's journal and hid it in his safe for several decades. You can read all about this on the church's website in the gospel topics essays
Yes and how he dismisses the description of God by saying he was beyond description very clever ! If I saw God you best believe I would remember what he looked like and I would tell everyone I saw God
MICKEY MOUSE !
This is a great movie! I like this than the 2011 revision
Why no closed caption available?
At 44:08, the audio is not synced. If I recall, the audio was changed. Anyone have the version prior to this that has the original audio?
They originally said, "Your wife is REEAALLL PRETTY!" "Yeah and might lonesome too I bet!" They changed this to what you see here not long after its initial release.
Yes this is exactly what I'm looking for
I don't know how real this is but enjoyed the movie 😊
It's not historically accurate at all
It is very historically accurate with what it did show. There is too much material to cover in even a 2 hour movie, much less in 1 hour and 9 minutes. So they focused on what was important in the formation of the church.
We call it “lying by omission”
It is fanfiction about a fanfiction author
It’s a pure propaganda piece meant to paint Joe Smith and his cult in the most favorable light possible.
this video begins by quoting Emerson know as a transcendentalist a non Christian philosophy
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Jesus Christ is God. He alone is worthy. If you die without Him you will suffer in hell for eternity. Call on the Lord now before its too late!!
I’ve been an ex-Mormon for many years now and I know the church to be naught but a manipulative and fraudulent organization which is not unlike Scientology, but my aunt used to take me to go see this at the Joseph Smith Memorial Building in SLC when I was a kid and it was among the fonder memories of my childhood. If nothing else my Mormon heritage and upbringing instilled in me an appreciation for history, a penchant for elaborate fantasy books, and a fascination with mythology. And it taught me how to treat people by showing me how not to treat people.
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Can someone please help me out about this man and religion
Yes, What can I help you with?
Joseph Smith was a fraud. When it comes to religion, don't blindly believe, do your own research and don't just follow emotions or peer pressure. Investigating for yourself is the best way for you to know what you're doing.
@@garrettrichards5559 ye shall know them by their fruits, said Jesus. I invite you to see the fruits of the Restore Church of Jesus Christ as a whole and the sincere will see the hand of God on it.
@@legacy756 Thanks for reaching out, I always enjoy good faith discussions with people who do not necessarily agree with me. It's always good to find common ground.
I am familiar with that scripture. Ye shall know them by their fruits. If you continue, Jesus also says: "A corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit" Joseph Smith was a corrupt tree who brought forth evil fruit. Jesus warned to BEWARE false prophets. When you look at Joseph Smith from an objective perspective, not only through the lens of what the Mormon church finds acceptable for you to read, most people draw the conclusion that he brought forth evil fruit.
@@garrettrichards5559 one fruit is the Book of Mormon, when you read it you feel the spirit and come closet to God and Christ by abiding by its precepts. He that wants to do the will of the Lord will know if the Doctrine is from God, said Jesus. We need to live what we find in the BOM to test if it gets us closer to God.
what is the difference between this 2005 one and the newer one? is it just more scenes?
I'm sorry but imho preachers were/are not interested in others souls, for the most part, as they are interested in how much will end up in the collection plate, especially the prosperity reachers
You're wrong. But okay.
Your a fool , like any Mormon , they believe in fairytales , Now for some truth , $ 100-150 Billion in cash , stocks and shell company’s , they just got fined from the IRS for hiding 32 Billion dollars, Fine was 5 million .
Your Cult
It's interesting that this film depicts Joseph's relationship with Emma to be loving and caring. It shows him buying her jewelry, dancing with her, outside playing with their children, etc. However, the film doesn't say anything about Joseph's 30+ plural wives, or the fact that Emma strongly objected to his practice, or that she ordered some of those women out of her house when she suspected that her husband was having sex with them. Also, the film makes no mention of the fact that Joseph's polygamy practice was the direct cause of his death.
So I'd place this film in the fiction category.
Joseph’s polygamy wasn’t the cause of his death, his assassination was coordinated by the whigs in response to his successful presidential campaign.
Polygamy was an important practice in Mormon history because there were far more women than men, and men were expected to help provide housing and food resources for these unattached women. First wives sometimes grumbled, but most learned to greatly appreciate their sister wives. My great grandmother adored her sister wife. But sometimes grumbled.
@@kf1000 "Polygamy was an important practice in Mormon history because there were far more women than men"
Your very first statement here is completely untrue. There was never a time in 19th century Mormonism wherein women outnumbered men. That is just a false assertion invented by Mormon apologists to try to justify polygamy. You haven't studied the actual facts, so you blindly accept what you have been told in Sunday School class or wherever.
In his 1943 book, “Evidences and Reconciliations, Apostle John A. Widtsoe explained:
“Plural marriage has been a subject of wide and frequent comment. Members of the Church unfamiliar with its history, and many non-members, have set up fallacious reasons for the origin of this system of marriage among the Latter-day Saints.
"The most common of these conjectures is that the Church, through plural marriage, sought to provide husbands for its large surplus of female members. The implied assumption in this theory, that there have been more female than male members in the Church, is not supported by existing evidence. On the contrary, there seem always to have been more males than females in the Church...
"The United States census records from 1850 to 1940, and all available Church records, uniformly show a preponderance of males in Utah, and in the Church. Indeed, the excess in Utah has usually been larger than for the whole United States, as would be expected in a pioneer state. The births within the Church obey the usual population law - a slight excess of males...
"The theory that plural marriage was a consequence of a surplus of female Church members fails from lack of evidence...
"Another conjecture is that the people were few in number and that the Church, desiring greater numbers, permitted the practice so that a phenomenal increase in population could be attained. This is not defensible, since there was no surplus of women.”
End quote. Because historical evidence shows that Joseph Smith "plural married" at least eleven women who were currently married to other men---including the wives of apostles and other high-ranking leaders---and Smith also "plural married" at least eleven teenaged girls who, after Smith's death, went on to marry other men---then there was no socially justifiable need for Smith to "plural marry" all of those females, which numbered 33 or more.
One of Smith's married "plural wives" was Zina Huntington Jacobs, wife of Henry Jacobs. After Smith's death, his successor, Brigham Young, "plural married" Zina and told Henry that he would have to go and find another wife. Zina bore Young's child in 1850. If you aren't aware, Zina became the general president of the Relief Society after Eliza Snow. Incidents like this reveal that Mormon polygamy was a "pecking order" system, wherein the highest-ranking church leaders could amass the largest number of sexually desirable women. Young sired some 56 children by at least 16 different mothers.
This practice actually created a shortage of marriage-aged young women for young men to marry, rather than there being a surplus of women as you assert. So obviously, your assertion that 19th century Mormons practiced polygamy because there were more women than men is completely false.
I hope you internalize this information and apply it to every other false idea you've been taught by the church about polygamy. The REASON that church leaders and apologists concoct these false justifications is so that rank-and-file church members like you will believe that polygamy served a social need. But the actual facts show that that is utterly false.
That is a lie that even the church doesn't offer any more. In fact every census and demographic study of Nauvoo in Smith's time revealed there was slightly more men than women. Any honest study of mormon polygamy reveals a practice based on coercion, manipulation, and lies. Study it dude, there is plentiful primary sources from the victims themselves. Lucy Walker's account, the Zina Huthchinson account, the so-called "Happiness Letter" to Nancy Rigdon to name just three. Each alone bears testament to the fact Smith was an adulterer, groomer, and sexual predator of the vilest sort. Yet, compared to Young, his predations and perversions were relatively mild.@@kf1000
@@kf1000Interesting, so if it were vice versa and there were far more men than women would it be ok for one woman to have 30 husbands? No, you can bet your last dollar Mormons wouldn't stand for that! Stop making excuses for Smiths justified adultery
I'm looking for the part when the devil calls Joseph smith a fool.
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Joseph's Myth
I really like the part where he treats the blacks like equals what a prophet!
And then for the next 150 years Brigham Young and the rest of the Apostles treated blacks as if they were unValiant in their premortal existence and the reason that their skin was black was because they were cursed by God
And then they foolishly remembered that blacks make up a large part of the world and that they too can be lied to and harvested for 10% and let into the cult
@@sdfotodude I was not being sincere it disgusts me that Mormonism thrives tax free for almost 200 years that they lie and deceive lying about being Christian however God allows them to exist
Cult.
Where is the magic stone?
And where's the part where he falsely accuses a few Apache men of stealing horses just so he had an excuse to go out massacre innocent Apaches? Including women and children..
What absolute crap. This version is just pure LDS propaganda. Wow.
Read the saints books
Revelations 22: 18-19
Good thing no one tried to add to the book of Revelation!
Or anything after dueteronomy
Favorite part is in jail when the drunk guys are collectively acting like unrealistic, evil demons, and the polygamist - already having guns delivered to his cell - stands up and tells them to shut their mouths 😅. Dude would have gotten his butt beat in any prison if he wasn’t protected.
Sounds like he was quite smart then for being armed. What exactly is your complaint here, that he was capable of defending himself?
@@guidadiehl9176 well - let’s just not act like he wasn’t a blatant criminal. And it was some supernatural power that helped him. He had guns supplied because he was screwed and obsessed with himself. Reminds me of every cartel and cult leader the past 120 years. Nothing new under the sun. It’s the same hokey non-sense.
@@bn2870wow ur ignorant
Also in the final scene, that they left out that Smith himself also had a revolver and shot through the door at the assailants, wounding three. "Oh Lord, my God, is there no help for the widow's son?" is the Masonic Grand Hailing Sign of Distress, Smith probably tried to see if there were Masons amongst the attackers.
@@bn2870I think he had guns supplied because he knew he was helpless in jail and could easily be attacked and killed in there. Turns out he was right.
To detail all the lies in this movie would take as long as the movie itself. My favorite however is the forlorn and mournful Emma casting loving last looks at her faithful husband. By this time Smith was married to at least 35 other women. 11 were already married, and he "consummated" (lol) at least 12 of them. At least two of them were under 16. All this the church admits to, albeit with their ludicrous spin and apologies. His line for many of his wives, especially the young ones was that an angel had appeared to him with a sword and threatened him with death if they didnt marry him. On the other hand if they and their families were guaranteed eternal salvation if they consented. So young teenage girls confronted with this dilemma from a person they believed to be a prophet of God. Lives ruined. Furthermore, Smith married at least 12 of them before he even had the polygamy "revelation." He also was "sealed" to at least as many before he even did so to Emma. Finally he lied about his polygamy to the public and church member rank and file to his dying day, and the mormon church lied about it for 160 years. By the time Smith went to jail on charges of wanton destruction of property, Emma knew much of this. Their marriage was strained to the breaking point. Smith was a fraud and a lying scumbag, though a moral stalwart compared to Young.
Interesting argument, however it is hard to say we know for certain 100 % anything from that time period. Regardless, we may follow the lords recipe for discernment as we look towards the fruits... Those of Joseph and those of the book of mormon. Recognizing how many lives have been mended, healed, and brought back to life, joy and hope, and realizing the driving divinity behind those fruits. That is something we can see and be 100% sure of, instead of the unknown parts of jumbled conspiracies.
@@Maxterx29x Gottcha' Mack...don't be fooled by facts and history, go with the spirit. Man, you are this cult's dream sucker. Like Oaks, Holland, et al said, don't research, that is Satan's temptation, just pray.
I'm no Mormon zealot, my spiritual beliefs encompass a variety of philosophies. And there is some truth to what you say. But there are elements that I wonder where your sources came from (actually I wonder where ALL of your sources came from....) What's the source that indicates Joseph and Emma's marriage was "strained to the breaking point?" And let's just throw away your ad hominem in your last sentence; that's one of the most common logical fallacies used by anyone. As far as the timeline of when who married who, again -- source? One thing I will agree with is that the church did lie about polygamy. Likely fearing the consequences if they were honest. But I haven't lived in the 1840s so I can't judge how things really were. As far as an angel telling "young teenage girls" (you seem to like that phrase) that if they didn't marry Smith they would die, again -- source? And how do you know "lives were ruined" via the practice of some of these principles?
who is/was Young? I'm just a curious southern Baptist. thanks
@@jaeboogie2786 Brigham Young was a member is the LDS church who was very close to Joseph Smith, and who was called by God and sustained by the majority of church membership to take on the role of church president after Joseph and Hyrum's deaths. He is the one who led the Nauvoo survivors and later pioneers to the Rockies where the Deseret Territory was established (until the US gov't took control and renamed it the Utah Territory).
No man hath seen God at anytime.
Not true.
@@bobbq8380 Exodus 33:20, “But He [God] said, “You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!”
John 1:18, “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.”
John 5:37, “And the Father who sent Me, He has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time nor seen His form.”
John 6:46, “Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.”
1 Tim. 6:15-16, “He who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.”
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Hath seen God.
Gen. 17:1, “Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am God Almighty; Walk before Me, and be blameless;
Gen. 18:1, “Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.”
Exodus 6:2-3, “God spoke further to Moses and said to him, “I am the LORD; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.”
Exodus 24:9-11, “Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.”
Num. 12:6-8, “He said, ‘Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. 7 “Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?”
Acts 7:2, “And he [Stephen] said, ‘Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia before he lived in Haran…'”
If these verses mean what they say, then we naturally assume we have a contradiction. Actually, the contradiction exists in our understanding, not in the Bible, which is always the case with alleged biblical contradictions.
All you need to do is accept what the Bible says. If the OT people were seeing the Almighty God, yet they not seeing the Father (John 6:46), then who was it? They saw someone else in the Godhead. They saw the Word before He became incarnate (John 1:1, 14). In other words, they were seeing the pre-incarnate Jesus.
@@jlewis8145 and yet Moses saw him so did the apostles so try again
@@nephite467 Gen. 17:1, “Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am God Almighty; Walk before Me, and be blameless;
Gen. 18:1, “Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.”
Exodus 6:2-3, “God spoke further to Moses and said to him, “I am the LORD; 3 and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.”
Exodus 24:9-11, “Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.”
Num. 12:6-8, “He said, ‘Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. 7 “Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?”
Acts 7:2, “And he [Stephen] said, ‘Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia before he lived in Haran…'”
All you need to do is accept what the Bible says. If the OT people were seeing the Almighty God, yet they were not seeing the Father (John 6:46), then who was it? They saw someone else in the Godhead. They saw the Word before He became incarnate (John 1:1, 14). In other words, they were seeing the pre-incarnate Jesus.
@@jlewis8145 that Bible that’s has been changed multiple times go to hell
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There’s no such thing as “Mormons” but the one who abridged the sacred records of all the books of scriptures that testifies Christ, Heavenly Father, and The Holy Ghost which is called The Book of Mormon and we are Christians.
@@napoleonwhitehorse971 You are Christian? You believe that? Do you not call yourselves Latter Day "Saints" If you are saints how can you be Christians?
@@Josephus-f1o We are called only by God but not by this world with labels. Reading the scriptures made a difference for me to know or come to the knowledge about Christ and Heavenly Father. And yes, we’re Saints and Christians too either one or both. That’s like the same thing as Christ’s other names are “The Holy One of Israel” and “The Messiah” from the Old Testament. Reading the scriptures makes a lot of difference with real intent and real faith to know if the scriptures are true. I felt the Spirit when I read. Maybe you can too.
Humility the first tenet of Christianity is to humble yourself before God not walk around and say I am a Saint I am without sin Joseph Smith is equal to Jesus-- Blasphemy actually there are over 30 reason why Mormons are not Christian-- Not believing in Jesus Christ his sacrifice on the cross his destruction of the temple or the Bible which teaches anyone teaching another gospel may he be accursed Galtians 1 7:8 and Lying are MAJOR reasons why Mormons are a cult owning shopping malls temples and not Christians
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Nice story of your cult
Nice showing how evil you are
Oh and u keep throwing cult around like we care
@@nephite467curse of Cain, Kolob, peeping in a hat, Kinderhook plates, countless versions of 1st vision, Garden of Eden in Missouri, Reformed Egyptian
@@nephite467It’s a cult. Chanting “Oh God, hear the words of my mouth” in a circle around a table with a box of peoples names. The green aprons, veils, and temple robes. The weird handshakes, new names, pass phrases, so-called “tokens” for the Aaronic and Melchizedek priesthood you’re told you need to get into heaven. The Masonic symbols you guys have on your uncomfortable underwear. Taking a blood oath to not talk about the temple rituals I just mentioned. Being required to pay 10% of your income to be worthy of doing said occult rituals in the temple so you can be with your family in the afterlife. It all smacks of a cult. Your church’s secrets and frauds are being exposed for all the world to see and there’s nothing “sacred” about any of it.
@@AeraGreywulf wow ur a vile disgusting servant of Satan