American soccer as a whole has really suffered from Messis entrance, MLS bashes us over the head with marketing him but everyone else goes mostly ignored. In addition, our lower leagues are getting bullied by an increasingly arrogant MLS
I’ve been paying attention to the mls since before Messi came to Miami and I have to say I quite enjoy it as someone who’s not American ( I’m German). As a Dortmund supporter who hates to see Bayern dominate the bundesliga, I like the unpredictably of the American playoff format mls uses, and sure the quality of the game is still inferior to what we have here in Europe but there’s something about the league that I enjoy.
It's the salary cap. Every major sport in the US has one except MLB but even they have a "luxery tax" that the league will start to charge teams who go over a certain amount. Sports culture in the US is one where people want to know their team at least has a chance to win it all or they will start to lose interest, tune out over time, eventually forcing owners fold teams due to lack of interest. MLS has PTSD over what happened with old North American Soccer League so they implemented a very aggressive salary cap which leads to almost crippling parity. Any club can win it all on any given year as long as the have the right mojo. Personally, I'm for a salary cap but I do think it needs to be raised substantially in order to elevate the league and the talent they can bring in.
Not really imo, Messi won't have impact Beckham had. A lot of it is just tapping into what is an already football/soccer mad latino migrant population, which has only grown in recent times, especially from South America. Hence the Messi hype in places like Florida, which is also where he feels home as Spanish is basically used widely these days. It's a good build up to the world cup, there will be huge hype but it'll totally die off. They need more organic forms of growth that the whole country can resonate with, that will come from the USA national team imo. That's the untapped market re the wider east coast/white/black Americans. You can't build a domestic empire with global clout based off just 1 demographic imo. Same reason why post Ali/Tyson/Mayweather...boxing in USA has long been overtaken by UFC, as most Americans will have no idea about Canelo Alvarez the boxer selling out stadiums or ever buy his PPV. You need wide appeal. Also stop importing European football matches as the end goal. Grow the domestic sport & make soccer camps into a thing for all poor kids, not just rich/middle class kids.
Exactly. More investment needs to be made homegrown. Sure we can get big names, but we need it on a wider scale, and we need to make soccer not just a hobby sport, but a real option without $ involved. The hype is there (Women's game, Men's) but those kids can't be hampered by "ooo sorry hunny, it's too expensive to play travelling team this season". Will take a long time but we can get there
The for profit model in American culture really kills a lot of things. I will honestly take someone in a position of power in the government to favor Footall/Soccer over any of the major league sports (Baseball, Basketball, NFL)
David Beckham had a similar issue in that he did not instantly win MLS Cup and really had to work for it with his teamates Donovan and Keane and they played a very material roll. They got knocked out of the playoffs in more than one playoff before he won.
Project Messi hasn't translated to the ground level in Miami as apparently there was no hype about them being in the playoffs compared to the Argentinian tournament matches. And as said by Felipe, Messi lack of media interviews compared to how Beckham did in 2007 is not helping and his inability or reluctance to learn English (think it's more in the Argentina psyche not to learn it)
Yes. Could’ve told you it would’ve been a failure a long time ago. Messi coming over is the same as Zlatan, Schweinsteiger, Rooney, Shaqiri, Pirlo, or Lampard. Messi is obviously much bigger, but the problem is raising the floor not raising the ceiling. Americans are proud of the NFL, the NBA, and the MLB because they’re the best leagues in the world for their respective sports. MLS should’ve spent the billions on players from bottom half Prem teams
Im not in the states but ive watched a lot MLS in the last 2 seasons. The stadiums look alot more full, im sure thers more sponsors, revenue, investment, interest etc in football in the states and globally. And most importantly, Inter Miami were the bottom team last season and were arguably on the of the best teams this season. Albeit with their weak defence and other stars etc. MLS has his own niche. Its not an EPL, La Liga by any teams it has its own vibe (i.e retirement league) and they can keep it like that.
His legacy as a competitor?? Yeah right the guy who has the most trophies and has achieved everything there is to win as a player, and also taken the team that was last place when he got there to winning trophies and competing for more trophies hasn't cemented himself as a great competitor 😂😂😂😂😂 Stfu rn boy
Mls was successful before Messi and will be after Messi. If the Salary cap is not taken out they will never appeal to the European fan. And honestly, who cares...vamos Metros!😅😊
Kids post that nonsense. In the meantime Euro leagues are busy implementing stricter Financial Fairplay rules to be more like us. Even the big clubs were trying to establish a Super League to copy some of U.S. sports league practices. They see where MLS is headed and want to get out in front of it.
This is a complete failure. MLS thought they could get a shortcut to league engagement but the playoff format sucks and the league isn't very good. I've never heard a league giving so much of their tv revenue to a sungle player. Its bush league.
if Tata gets sacked for this, it would be pretty crazy IMO. They just need to boost the defense over the winter, their going to remain dangerous with the caveat that their most important players are so old.
I think Garber knows far better than Felipe how to run a league. Cardenas is still up to his old tricks abusing his media pulpit. I'll always believe that he had much to do with Atlanta's downfall by seeding chaos and now he's trying to tell Garber how to run the league.
No. I will watch ANY football/soccer on TV. I watched almost the entire women's u17 World Cup a few weeks ago. And yet I have ZERO interest in watching MLS. Why? Because it's not a league. It's a farce that doesn't market it's players (beyond Messi) or does anything to make it compelling or interesting.
Its not working lol, anyone with a brain could've told you that mls was only gonna milk messi being here for money rather than actually investing in the soccer of the US. I cant wait til he leaves tbh, we already get enough don garber favoritism with all the big city teams and we don't need anymore.
@@SacristanRacing I think you'll find almost everyone around the world would agree with him. Why bother with a 30+ game season if you're just going to decide it all with a stupid knockout tournament? There's a reason why nobody else has ever adopted play-offs to decide league champions.
i want to laugh at the mls but it seems thats the way african football is going with the african football league. miami will help the regular people get into football. do i see them winning the lot despite having messi, nah
Americans like underdogs. Bringing best player in world in isnt exciting. The fact that he lost to underdog is probably good story. Most Americans probably rooted against Jordan his whole career.
How is is a failure, Messi sold out stadiums 🏟️ and people forget maybe they are just fools, Messi is 37 and people act like he is 19 why doesn’t he run or he didn’t score 😂I like to see another 37 year old do what Messi has done like win Copa America and putting inter Miami on top I’ll wait let me know 😂😂😂😂
You think Messi should be dropped or do you think they should get him pressing defenders for 90 mins? I want to hear your solution, you seem to know more than the coaches at Inter Miami
@@Jumkaall he’s saying is if Messi somehow got an amazing engine it’d be so much better. But I mean he doesn’t so it’s not really a practical thing to say but it’s still true.
I’m in Orlando supporter so fuck Miami, but putting my biases aside; that team is built so top heavy they are using shoestring and bubblegum for the rest of the roster. No one is going to get Messi to play with a high engine at age 36 when half of the away games in the United States aren’t on real grass and can be as far as a champions league away game in Shakhtar Donetsk; especially with Miami being on the far right corner of the country. The United States is literally the width of an entire continent and I think Europeans underestimate how taxing that is on players, especially with how much fixture congestion happens in the hottest months of the year which is the middle of the MLS season
MLS is now a viable destination for the retirement-age European players who have ethical, social or other reasons for not going to the other big Mickey Mouse league in Saudi Arabia. Light work, low expectations, decent money.
And I wouldn’t call traveling minimum 100 miles for a “local” derby light work. MLS has physical play with horrible technique and even worse officiating and regular season matches demanding the travel of champions league matches while also playing sometimes on artificial turf. There’s a reason so many older stars don’t pan out and take over the league upon arrival: Drogba, Schweinsteiger, Gerrard, Gonzalo Higuain, Shaqiri, Insigne, Pirlo, Lampard. None of them won anything and those players were just from the past 10 years
No rational person who follows MLS is arguing that MLS is at the level of any top European division, to be honest the level of play is probably closer to league one with less tactically imaginative coaches and less young prospect who have developed with sound fundamentals from academy level and pre-academy levels; but MLS is more so positioned nowadays as a jump off point for Young stars of Latin American countries who aren’t getting signed immediately by European clubs from their boyhood clubs
@@arjungovindan1642 " MLS is more so positioned nowadays as a jump off point for Young stars of Latin American countries" Liga MX killing themselves right now not doing that in the first place. their lost is our gain
American soccer as a whole has really suffered from Messis entrance, MLS bashes us over the head with marketing him but everyone else goes mostly ignored. In addition, our lower leagues are getting bullied by an increasingly arrogant MLS
I’ve been paying attention to the mls since before Messi came to Miami and I have to say I quite enjoy it as someone who’s not American ( I’m German). As a Dortmund supporter who hates to see Bayern dominate the bundesliga, I like the unpredictably of the American playoff format mls uses, and sure the quality of the game is still inferior to what we have here in Europe but there’s something about the league that I enjoy.
It's the salary cap. Every major sport in the US has one except MLB but even they have a "luxery tax" that the league will start to charge teams who go over a certain amount. Sports culture in the US is one where people want to know their team at least has a chance to win it all or they will start to lose interest, tune out over time, eventually forcing owners fold teams due to lack of interest. MLS has PTSD over what happened with old North American Soccer League so they implemented a very aggressive salary cap which leads to almost crippling parity. Any club can win it all on any given year as long as the have the right mojo.
Personally, I'm for a salary cap but I do think it needs to be raised substantially in order to elevate the league and the talent they can bring in.
Not really imo, Messi won't have impact Beckham had. A lot of it is just tapping into what is an already football/soccer mad latino migrant population, which has only grown in recent times, especially from South America. Hence the Messi hype in places like Florida, which is also where he feels home as Spanish is basically used widely these days. It's a good build up to the world cup, there will be huge hype but it'll totally die off. They need more organic forms of growth that the whole country can resonate with, that will come from the USA national team imo. That's the untapped market re the wider east coast/white/black Americans. You can't build a domestic empire with global clout based off just 1 demographic imo. Same reason why post Ali/Tyson/Mayweather...boxing in USA has long been overtaken by UFC, as most Americans will have no idea about Canelo Alvarez the boxer selling out stadiums or ever buy his PPV. You need wide appeal. Also stop importing European football matches as the end goal. Grow the domestic sport & make soccer camps into a thing for all poor kids, not just rich/middle class kids.
Exactly. More investment needs to be made homegrown. Sure we can get big names, but we need it on a wider scale, and we need to make soccer not just a hobby sport, but a real option without $ involved. The hype is there (Women's game, Men's) but those kids can't be hampered by "ooo sorry hunny, it's too expensive to play travelling team this season". Will take a long time but we can get there
The for profit model in American culture really kills a lot of things. I will honestly take someone in a position of power in the government to favor Footall/Soccer over any of the major league sports (Baseball, Basketball, NFL)
David Beckham had a similar issue in that he did not instantly win MLS Cup and really had to work for it with his teamates Donovan and Keane and they played a very material roll. They got knocked out of the playoffs in more than one playoff before he won.
It may not be MLS Cup, but Miami have already won the inaugural Leagues Cup, and the MLS Supporters Shield for the best regular season placement.
I think sports should be available on all streaming services. I don't have Apple subscription and don't want to pay for another
Project Messi hasn't translated to the ground level in Miami as apparently there was no hype about them being in the playoffs compared to the Argentinian tournament matches. And as said by Felipe, Messi lack of media interviews compared to how Beckham did in 2007 is not helping and his inability or reluctance to learn English (think it's more in the Argentina psyche not to learn it)
i think of history with england
MLS getting Messi was more for YOU, the foreigners. Apple TV is global.
The ALIENS
But we don't want to watch MLS.
Nobody watchedd
@MegaKapo12 MLS had the 3rd Largest total Attendance in the World ⚽ (behind only EPL and Bundesliga)
@@davidday2373he meant out of the foreigners since they’re mentioned in the original comment
Yes. Could’ve told you it would’ve been a failure a long time ago. Messi coming over is the same as Zlatan, Schweinsteiger, Rooney, Shaqiri, Pirlo, or Lampard. Messi is obviously much bigger, but the problem is raising the floor not raising the ceiling. Americans are proud of the NFL, the NBA, and the MLB because they’re the best leagues in the world for their respective sports. MLS should’ve spent the billions on players from bottom half Prem teams
Im not in the states but ive watched a lot MLS in the last 2 seasons. The stadiums look alot more full, im sure thers more sponsors, revenue, investment, interest etc in football in the states and globally. And most importantly, Inter Miami were the bottom team last season and were arguably on the of the best teams this season. Albeit with their weak defence and other stars etc. MLS has his own niche. Its not an EPL, La Liga by any teams it has its own vibe (i.e retirement league) and they can keep it like that.
the thing is, MLS doesnt need European viewers. it needs North and South Americans
MLS' grand plan is to grow, steadily and surely. They have quietly been doubling Team Payroll (Players wages) every 5 to 6 years.
it's how messi comes back from this that will define his legacy as a competitor
His legacy as a competitor??
Yeah right the guy who has the most trophies and has achieved everything there is to win as a player, and also taken the team that was last place when he got there to winning trophies and competing for more trophies hasn't cemented himself as a great competitor 😂😂😂😂😂
Stfu rn boy
Inter Miami feels like a FIFA per project to sell merchandise, I don't really think they care about developing the league to be more competitive.
I watch mls but I am in USA. So happy Messi Lost!!!!
@@AdamRafeedie Messi's Miami CHOKED
Messi carrying soccer. You guys are lucky!!
ngl... some of what is said is very informed and some quite the opposite
a League with playoffs makes NO SENSE
Intermiami cf always suffered when it comes defending transition attacks all season
Mls was successful before Messi and will be after Messi. If the Salary cap is not taken out they will never appeal to the European fan. And honestly, who cares...vamos Metros!😅😊
Kids post that nonsense. In the meantime Euro leagues are busy implementing stricter Financial Fairplay rules to be more like us. Even the big clubs were trying to establish a Super League to copy some of U.S. sports league practices. They see where MLS is headed and want to get out in front of it.
This is a complete failure. MLS thought they could get a shortcut to league engagement but the playoff format sucks and the league isn't very good. I've never heard a league giving so much of their tv revenue to a sungle player. Its bush league.
if Tata gets sacked for this, it would be pretty crazy IMO. They just need to boost the defense over the winter, their going to remain dangerous with the caveat that their most important players are so old.
@@aramdg We dont say "sacked", we say fired... This is the U.S., not England. Only Quarterbacks get "sacked"
I think Garber knows far better than Felipe how to run a league. Cardenas is still up to his old tricks abusing his media pulpit. I'll always believe that he had much to do with Atlanta's downfall by seeding chaos and now he's trying to tell Garber how to run the league.
hahahaha!!
No. I will watch ANY football/soccer on TV. I watched almost the entire women's u17 World Cup a few weeks ago.
And yet I have ZERO interest in watching MLS. Why? Because it's not a league. It's a farce that doesn't market it's players (beyond Messi) or does anything to make it compelling or interesting.
It's not justified and it would make a mockery of the league if it ever intended to be more than a curated sporting event to make money from.
Yes, look at ticket prices. Mic dropped.
Its not working lol, anyone with a brain could've told you that mls was only gonna milk messi being here for money rather than actually investing in the soccer of the US. I cant wait til he leaves tbh, we already get enough don garber favoritism with all the big city teams and we don't need anymore.
Playoffs to win a league... my European mind doesn't get it.
It’s kinda like the champions league
@@cantripleplayshe’s just being a euro snob
@@SacristanRacing I think you'll find almost everyone around the world would agree with him. Why bother with a 30+ game season if you're just going to decide it all with a stupid knockout tournament? There's a reason why nobody else has ever adopted play-offs to decide league champions.
Good. Stay away from our New World
It's pretty much a separate competition like a League Cup.
i want to laugh at the mls but it seems thats the way african football is going with the african football league.
miami will help the regular people get into football. do i see them winning the lot despite having messi, nah
Americans like underdogs. Bringing best player in world in isnt exciting. The fact that he lost to underdog is probably good story. Most Americans probably rooted against Jordan his whole career.
How is is a failure, Messi sold out stadiums 🏟️ and people forget maybe they are just fools, Messi is 37 and people act like he is 19 why doesn’t he run or he didn’t score 😂I like to see another 37 year old do what Messi has done like win Copa America and putting inter Miami on top I’ll wait let me know 😂😂😂😂
Messi the only player to be retired and still playing
Pele literally retired, refused to come out of retirement for RM bayern etc... then the cosmos gave him a large v large bag to do so..
Messi's inactivity actually hinders the whole team's performance
Incativity at what ?
You think Messi should be dropped or do you think they should get him pressing defenders for 90 mins? I want to hear your solution, you seem to know more than the coaches at Inter Miami
@@Jumkaall he’s saying is if Messi somehow got an amazing engine it’d be so much better. But I mean he doesn’t so it’s not really a practical thing to say but it’s still true.
I’m in Orlando supporter so fuck Miami, but putting my biases aside; that team is built so top heavy they are using shoestring and bubblegum for the rest of the roster. No one is going to get Messi to play with a high engine at age 36 when half of the away games in the United States aren’t on real grass and can be as far as a champions league away game in Shakhtar Donetsk; especially with Miami being on the far right corner of the country.
The United States is literally the width of an entire continent and I think Europeans underestimate how taxing that is on players, especially with how much fixture congestion happens in the hottest months of the year which is the middle of the MLS season
lets make something clear if Messi for whatever reason was 25 years old he would score 100 goals in this sorry league.
MLS is now a viable destination for the retirement-age European players who have ethical, social or other reasons for not going to the other big Mickey Mouse league in Saudi Arabia. Light work, low expectations, decent money.
I wouldn’t call mls ethical
And I wouldn’t call traveling minimum 100 miles for a “local” derby light work.
MLS has physical play with horrible technique and even worse officiating and regular season matches demanding the travel of champions league matches while also playing sometimes on artificial turf. There’s a reason so many older stars don’t pan out and take over the league upon arrival:
Drogba, Schweinsteiger, Gerrard, Gonzalo Higuain, Shaqiri, Insigne, Pirlo, Lampard.
None of them won anything and those players were just from the past 10 years
No rational person who follows MLS is arguing that MLS is at the level of any top European division, to be honest the level of play is probably closer to league one with less tactically imaginative coaches and less young prospect who have developed with sound fundamentals from academy level and pre-academy levels; but MLS is more so positioned nowadays as a jump off point for Young stars of Latin American countries who aren’t getting signed immediately by European clubs from their boyhood clubs
@@arjungovindan1642 I have to travel 1:30 hours from Dallas to watch my team I’ve slowly become less interested to go to games
@@arjungovindan1642 " MLS is more so positioned nowadays as a jump off point for Young stars of Latin American countries" Liga MX killing themselves right now not doing that in the first place. their lost is our gain