Key consideration when you flop trips is whether the third card on the flop is higher or lower than the trips because that determines whether you have outs vs the flopped boat with a pocket pair. E.g. on the 922 example, your only out vs 99 is quads, but on 884 with trips, any of your kickers above a 4 are live outs vs 44. Important to think along these lines when you’re in the villain’s shoes too.. in my example the 99 on 922 is much stronger than 44 on 884 for the same reason.
Have been living in Houston 1.5 years now and I wish I had kept records specifically on my bomb pot results Anyways, I know I am just crushing it with 20 years of split pot game experience Ppl play bomb pots here so bad it’s amazing Let themselves get freerolled Don’t realize they are getting half the odds from the pot to play for half with nothing on the other board If you can’t fold a strong but vulnerable hand for half the pot, you are toast against a scoop hand Just be patient, wait for a scoop hand, even a lock on one board and a draw to the nuts on the other, and shovel the $ in and print
seems to me the basic point here is don't go crazy if you have a good hand on one board and nothing on the other board (excluding quads or straight flush).
It depends really. If u have the nuts on one board it is a good thing to go nuts because u have half locked up and they may fold. Of course the texture determines this. And of course the nuts change from flop to the river.
Oh yeah, and because people draw at Broadway straights so much, if u have the Broadway on one board and nothing on the other in a multiway pot there is a chance u get quartered...such as having the nut low in 8/b.
In the second example, yes the equity means you are basically being free roll as you only have 7% to win one board but are not a lock to win the other. However, villain will fold most turns when put under pressure. Villain has strong draws on both boards, but not a made hand ready for showdown for DB PLO. In addition, it is fairly straight forward for hero to play his hand. Most often, hero knows he has the best hand on one board (assuming no set over set). This allows him to put lots of pressure on other holdings. Any terrible run out meaning clubs or specific straigthening cards, hero can happily fold.
Bart, don’t you think flopped trips like in your last hand is overplayed by you considering someone can easily have top boat drawing you dead? I know you had an OESD on the other board, but that means really nothing in PLO. You ran into the best scenario here but if the guy had 88, you’d literally have to hit your OESD to even get half the pot. Just my 2 cents.
24:55 I would expect that it would be rare for someone to have two sets with 66 on such boards simply because there is only one combo. I would not call that monsters under the bed, but I am not sure you can fold. With this in mind, this hand seems like a betting hand and a calling hand, but NOT a raising hand unless you are getting all in on the flop and hope to isolate. If everyone is deep, getting all in seems nuts. This is a concept very similar to standard PLO where a hand like bottom set is very strong if you have something like an SPR of 3, but with an SPR over 10, bottom set is never really going to do well vs any hand range that wants to get in for stacks.
5:56 Entering the dead cards in the calculator still doesn't get an entirely accurate calculation, because like you said, running Qs or running 10s are part of the 6% equity on the top board, but having those come out reduces the equity on the bottom board. Still, it's a pretty good approximation.
@@fpsballin precisely, when running it twice on a single board, the equity does change after the first run! To make my point clearer, while each board's equity is correct, their average is not the actual equity the hand has on both boards, since they are dependent, not independent.
At my club (Portland, OR) we play a bomb pot once every circulation of the dealer button, and the first table to start (main cash table) has two bomb pots per round, and it's almost always 5-2-2. 5 card, two board, two winner, usually high-high, but occasionally high-low or Tex-a-hall. Anyway, I make most of my money just from bomb pots. So many people make huge mistakes, and not just new players or fish, great hold 'em players go crazy when bomb pot comes around, I see it every day.
Doesn't a strategy of "only continue if you have the nuts on one side and also equity on the second board" lead to you folding every hand for a year straight?
U don't have to have the nuts on one board and equity on the other to continue.. but u have got to have some kinda chance to win both pots unless your just nutted on one board.. if your playing and just say u flop the nut flush draw on one board and the other board is monotone.. if ur head's up and the guy is pounding the pot it's best to just fold.. unless u have two pair or something on the other.. your legit calling to keep your money
Like most poker games, and ESPECIALLY split pot games where there are no qualifiers, tight is right. In stud 8, no qualifier, high only hands are more or less unplayable for this reason because a low can stumble into a straight or flush. It is not quite so bad here because it is often very hard to make a strong high on 2 different boards, but the basic idea applies. However, since the game is pot limit, the penalty for losing to a freeroll can be quite severe and the reward can be very low in a heads up pot. Once people really learn how to play this game, it will probably get pretty dull. But for now, just sit back and watch the fish jump into your boat.
Cant even win with a 10 on bottom. Also if a queen or 10 of heart comes on the bottom thats a nightmare. Not knowing their holding. Running Q 10 still looses bottom. ^1st hand shown^ Biggest take away on double board bomb pots, if you don't have the nuts or major equity to the nuts just fold.
29:11 That villain is really, really bad. Frankly, I as surprised Bart got it all in so quick. Aside from a moron with this garbage, what kind of hand will even a mediocre player have that Bart dominates. I think it would be very hard to find. Maybe an over enthusiastic set of jacks. Clearly Bart has a good hand and folding is not an option, but it this hand really worth more than calling on 2 streets and potentially folding on the river if it does not improve?
It would, but it would be chaos and VERY slow. I could see something like this... $5 ante, 8 handed. Post flop bet size - 25 Turn bet size - 75 River bet size - 200 This would keep the insanity to a minimum. One very bad thing about this game is that it will bust people easily and could break the main game. And if the game itself is all bomb pots, the game could break easily. The action on this game, especially among those who don't know it, is intense and you will see a lot more all in hands and sometimes several players who are all in for 1000 or so.
@@krisdiaz2277 Omaha 8 or better seems to play just fine as long as there are some fish. People THINK they have equity to chase their draws, but they often do not. It would be the same here.
In Omaha hi lo Limit they play ultimate double board bomb pots, that means the best high hand on either board and the best low on either board wins That means you can have the nut flush on one board and a full house on the other board beats you You don’t chop the boards, the high and low hands chop
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Key consideration when you flop trips is whether the third card on the flop is higher or lower than the trips because that determines whether you have outs vs the flopped boat with a pocket pair. E.g. on the 922 example, your only out vs 99 is quads, but on 884 with trips, any of your kickers above a 4 are live outs vs 44.
Important to think along these lines when you’re in the villain’s shoes too.. in my example the 99 on 922 is much stronger than 44 on 884 for the same reason.
Have been living in Houston 1.5 years now and I wish I had kept records specifically on my bomb pot results
Anyways, I know I am just crushing it with 20 years of split pot game experience
Ppl play bomb pots here so bad it’s amazing
Let themselves get freerolled
Don’t realize they are getting half the odds from the pot to play for half with nothing on the other board
If you can’t fold a strong but vulnerable hand for half the pot, you are toast against a scoop hand
Just be patient, wait for a scoop hand, even a lock on one board and a draw to the nuts on the other, and shovel the $ in and print
seems to me the basic point here is don't go crazy if you have a good hand on one board and nothing on the other board (excluding quads or straight flush).
It depends really. If u have the nuts on one board it is a good thing to go nuts because u have half locked up and they may fold. Of course the texture determines this. And of course the nuts change from flop to the river.
Oh yeah, and because people draw at Broadway straights so much, if u have the Broadway on one board and nothing on the other in a multiway pot there is a chance u get quartered...such as having the nut low in 8/b.
"Backdoor bullshit straight draw" :)
That is the preferred nomenclature
In the second example, yes the equity means you are basically being free roll as you only have 7% to win one board but are not a lock to win the other. However, villain will fold most turns when put under pressure. Villain has strong draws on both boards, but not a made hand ready for showdown for DB PLO.
In addition, it is fairly straight forward for hero to play his hand. Most often, hero knows he has the best hand on one board (assuming no set over set). This allows him to put lots of pressure on other holdings. Any terrible run out meaning clubs or specific straigthening cards, hero can happily fold.
Bart, don’t you think flopped trips like in your last hand is overplayed by you considering someone can easily have top boat drawing you dead? I know you had an OESD on the other board, but that means really nothing in PLO. You ran into the best scenario here but if the guy had 88, you’d literally have to hit your OESD to even get half the pot. Just my 2 cents.
24:55
I would expect that it would be rare for someone to have two sets with 66 on such boards simply because there is only one combo. I would not call that monsters under the bed, but I am not sure you can fold. With this in mind, this hand seems like a betting hand and a calling hand, but NOT a raising hand unless you are getting all in on the flop and hope to isolate. If everyone is deep, getting all in seems nuts. This is a concept very similar to standard PLO where a hand like bottom set is very strong if you have something like an SPR of 3, but with an SPR over 10, bottom set is never really going to do well vs any hand range that wants to get in for stacks.
Great video
8:16 the way you said backdoor bullshit straight draw was so funny 🤣🤣🤣 I was howling
5:56 Entering the dead cards in the calculator still doesn't get an entirely accurate calculation, because like you said, running Qs or running 10s are part of the 6% equity on the top board, but having those come out reduces the equity on the bottom board.
Still, it's a pretty good approximation.
How is this different from running it twice, which does not change the equity?
@@fpsballin precisely, when running it twice on a single board, the equity does change after the first run!
To make my point clearer, while each board's equity is correct, their average is not the actual equity the hand has on both boards, since they are dependent, not independent.
At my club (Portland, OR) we play a bomb pot once every circulation of the dealer button, and the first table to start (main cash table) has two bomb pots per round, and it's almost always 5-2-2. 5 card, two board, two winner, usually high-high, but occasionally high-low or Tex-a-hall. Anyway, I make most of my money just from bomb pots. So many people make huge mistakes, and not just new players or fish, great hold 'em players go crazy when bomb pot comes around, I see it every day.
So, the same person gets the button on every bomb pot?
Ak99 with Ah is far from nothing on 876 2 hearts.
It’s not like ppl are chasing 10high fd for a chop
Haven’t heard the term roly poly in a long time 😂
I hate when I go on tilt without even playing a single hand myself.
Doesn't a strategy of "only continue if you have the nuts on one side and also equity on the second board" lead to you folding every hand for a year straight?
U don't have to have the nuts on one board and equity on the other to continue.. but u have got to have some kinda chance to win both pots unless your just nutted on one board.. if your playing and just say u flop the nut flush draw on one board and the other board is monotone.. if ur head's up and the guy is pounding the pot it's best to just fold.. unless u have two pair or something on the other.. your legit calling to keep your money
Like most poker games, and ESPECIALLY split pot games where there are no qualifiers, tight is right. In stud 8, no qualifier, high only hands are more or less unplayable for this reason because a low can stumble into a straight or flush. It is not quite so bad here because it is often very hard to make a strong high on 2 different boards, but the basic idea applies. However, since the game is pot limit, the penalty for losing to a freeroll can be quite severe and the reward can be very low in a heads up pot.
Once people really learn how to play this game, it will probably get pretty dull. But for now, just sit back and watch the fish jump into your boat.
Cant even win with a 10 on bottom. Also if a queen or 10 of heart comes on the bottom thats a nightmare. Not knowing their holding. Running Q 10 still looses bottom.
^1st hand shown^
Biggest take away on double board bomb pots, if you don't have the nuts or major equity to the nuts just fold.
It should be obvious if you have crap on one board and just a decent hand on another, it's not a good hand.
U play a lot of plo double board there huh ?
29:11
That villain is really, really bad.
Frankly, I as surprised Bart got it all in so quick. Aside from a moron with this garbage, what kind of hand will even a mediocre player have that Bart dominates. I think it would be very hard to find. Maybe an over enthusiastic set of jacks. Clearly Bart has a good hand and folding is not an option, but it this hand really worth more than calling on 2 streets and potentially folding on the river if it does not improve?
its a crappy plo hand. Its gonna end up allin/.
This would be a fun game if it were limit
It would be impossible to deny equity which is the most important part of DB PLO.. it would likely suck
Limit would ruin this game... U would always have a price to chase your draws. It would just be a constant chop every pot
It would, but it would be chaos and VERY slow. I could see something like this...
$5 ante, 8 handed.
Post flop bet size - 25
Turn bet size - 75
River bet size - 200
This would keep the insanity to a minimum. One very bad thing about this game is that it will bust people easily and could break the main game. And if the game itself is all bomb pots, the game could break easily. The action on this game, especially among those who don't know it, is intense and you will see a lot more all in hands and sometimes several players who are all in for 1000 or so.
@@krisdiaz2277 Omaha 8 or better seems to play just fine as long as there are some fish. People THINK they have equity to chase their draws, but they often do not. It would be the same here.
In Omaha hi lo Limit they play ultimate double board bomb pots, that means the best high hand on either board and the best low on either board wins
That means you can have the nut flush on one board and a full house on the other board beats you
You don’t chop the boards, the high and low hands chop
The biggest mistake to avoid is agreeing to play it.