**UPDATE** At 6:30, I mislabeled the cameras. In the individual shots, the A7IV and FX3 are mixed up... a few seconds later when I show all 3 side by side, the labels are correct! Thanks to @zeko reko for pointing this out and keen eye!
Quick question... according to sensor light, would the sigma 18-50 2.8 in apsc mode on the a7iv at 18mm have the same amount of sensor light as a full frame version 16-55 2.8 in 27mm on the a7iv in full frame? Like, will the 2.8 amount of light hitting the sensor be the same?
ok...its now 3 weeks that Iam posting a question that no one seems could not answer. Is that possible to have a raw video file from the a7iv with hdmi conected to an external monitor like ninja 5! So no compression at all???
Literally the only video I could find that went over the 1080p quality! Thanks for going over this, Dunna! Too many people get over excited by 4k and forget that you can only 120p in 1080. Glad you covered it
Well put together review and when tech reviewers are a dime a dozen now, looking fresh and unique with giving honest opinions. Keep up the great work! You won a subscription (And I DO NOT miss a single video!)
Many thanks for answering those questions. My only concern was the rolling shutter but as long as it is similar to A7iii's then I'm okay with it. I've used the a7iii for 3 years and rolling shutter wasn't a problem (it all depends on how we use the camera and what we use it for). I'm excited for you on your upcoming travels. I am going on a 3 months travel to the far east next Jan and will be taking the sony a7iv with me.
@@dunnadidit Yeah but don't expect it to be on Par with the A7s3, less to read out with that camera, this camera has over over 2x as much to read out. If you ever tried the A7r4 you will see how bad it can get, at 62 megapixels it can get pretty bad even in photos.
Been using the A7C for the last year and few months. It was my first full frame mirrorless camera when I transitioned from the Canon APS-C DSLR world (80D) to the Sony full frame world! At first I looked at the A7iii but I needed the updated video features, color science, autofocus and flip out screen that the A7C just so happened to have over the A7iii. Come about a year and a few months later and having made some money using the A7C, I think I’m ready to sell it so I can upgrade to the A7IV. The A7C has served me well and has helped me create great video and photo projects (even shot a wedding with it if you can believe it. No Duel SD card slot made it extremely stressful though lol) however I think in order to be taken more seriously as a professional creator and also be able to fully trust and rely on my gear with the additional pro features I’m not getting the with A7C. I think it’s worth the upgrade
I shoot still photos, and I'm happy with my a7iii, but I am eager to upgrade to the a7iv. I mostly want it for the slightly better ergonomics, better I/O covers, and AF improvements. Oh, and higher rez sensor is just a nice bonus.
Why can’t my iPhone and Mac support 10bit footage? Is it my sd card, or is it the phone and MacBook? I record in 10 bit and when I try to import, Mac can’t play it, and iPhone won’t even import it. Help!
You should definetly visit south italy.. nearby my house theres a paradise of undiscovered places of untouched nature. Make a whistle if you need a guide and a free place to stay (i got a airbb apartment) you wont regret 😎
Excellent video! I’m upgrading to this from an a7iii. I also have an a7siii so the a7iv will be an excellent b cam for video since now it has the same codecs as the a7siii, and for photos I’m really looking forward to the 4D tracking focus and higher MP.
Thank you so much for this thorough video. Just got my A7iv. I think your assessment is about right. Great quality of life upgrades but if you only shoot stills, not really an upgrade… at least on in image quality from the A7iii.
A crucial difference I see in your landscape images is to be found in the dynamic range. When looking at rocks, cliffs, trees, it's obvious : the amount of definition in the darker areas is huge compared with the Alpha 7M3. When it shows a dark stripe of tree apexes, the AM4 show each apex in detail. And it just is similar with the rock-walls and cliffs : so much more to see there. Does it matter, really ? Ask landscape-only photographers, mainly the ones who use chambers or medium-format cameras. Why do they use these devices, are they just masochists, did they win those at some lottery ? Details in landscape are just as important as the quality of the raw cocoa in real hand-made "truffes" (the things you call truffles in Northern America). This is what makes the difference between good and oustanding. For its price, the 7M4 produces outstanding images, and it takes about 3 times its retail price to see a concrete difference in image depth, dynamic, definition.
What actually is 10 bit? Is it set it and forget it? Or does it require extra editing? Kind of like the iPhone has the ultra high dynamic range or whatever they call it where it changes the image totally blown out until you fix it. In the editing.
As a person thinking to convert to Sony from Canon, that was really thorough review. What third party lenses would you suggest for full time vlogging and for some B-rolls with this camera?
I've watched many of these a7iv videos. I came across one video where the landscape photographer talked about the a7iii having "hot spots" that are gone with the a7iv. There was also a "banding & striping issue" with the a7iii sensor. This appears with certain lens and high backlight conditions. I believe this is gone with the a7iv sensor.
I’m curious if the dynamic range differs between the A7iii and A7iv on regular 4K shooting and also if the raw files for photos can be pushed more on exposure and color when editing? Thank you.
I think the 4K 60p with Crop is a huge opportunity to get some work out of the Sony 10-18 f/4.0 crop lens. This is a cheap lens that every reviewer has said they have gotten years of life out of, and it has stabilization. Thoughts? I shoot my real estate photos with that lens on an a6100 now over my Rokinon 14mm 2.8 or Tamron 17-28mm on my a7III just for the sharpness / wide angle / AF. It has been a beast of a performer and I think it will nicely fill the gap for the rare occasion that I need wide slow-mo. Using it on the a6100 for 4K 24p and 1080 120p has been immaculate. Looking forward to getting my a7IV to test.
In reference to your photo quality comment, photo quality hasn't drastically improved in any camera for the last several years. Part of this has to do with he fact that we have had 16bit raw for quite some time and we could really push grades in programs like Lightroom for a long time. My A7r2 still hangs with most cameras in what I can get out of it including the new A7r4, and Canon R5, heck I borrowed a Canon 5D MK3 for a shoot a couple years ago and it was still preforming like a champ. However with my A7r2 im still amazed at how much dynamic range I can pull out of it with post processing, I can already get HDR off a single shot, and as a lot of us know there is much debate on the HDR look for photos as it is because we start to venture in the area that it looks surreal and unnatural.
The A7iv would have been a no brainer if it had 4k 120. Given the crop, perhaps it can do 4K 120 but Sony decided not to include it so it does no compete with A7siii.
How do Sony cameras handle extreme weather conditions? I have yet to find a single video on TH-cam, of anyone using a Sony camera in pouring rain, extreme cold or extreme humidity. The impression I got so far from trying to research Sony cameras build quality and weather sealing is that either Sony users are afraid to use their cameras in extreme weather or the Sony cameras can't handle rain and humidity well... I'm asking because I shoot WRC/FIA and other Rally events all over Europe, Asia and Americas, with sometimes having to stay in the rain, walking around the track/stage for the entire day - and I would like to switch to Sony but I just can't find any solid proof that Sony cameras can indeed candle extreme weather - which I'm mostly interested about how they are in rain, more specifically heavy rain. If anyone here owns an a7iv, a7Riv, a9ll or a1 and you have shot in extreme weather, please reply! Thanks in advance!
I shoot in reasonably cold conditions and dunked my Fx3 in a decent amount of snow so far this winter season with no issues at all. I also had the a74 out in quite a bit of rain a couple times with no issue as well. I don’t know if I’d call the situations extreme and I did try to shield it if I could, but in the end, they both got good and wet without problems.
Hey Sam, so it looks like most likely, with a parent or guardian, you can make it work. Also, not sure what age you are but if you happen to be 17 and will turn 18 before the trip, that would also work.
Late to the party here, lol. I was watching HARV Video/Audio Stuff (the YT channel) and he's had a very difficult time shooting smooth high framerate footage with the a7IV. Any thoughts man?
Great video. Have u tested the 1080p footage. According to Gerald Undone, he says that it's very soft as compared to the 4k. Can't find any other youtubers with more info on this and how bad it really is. I know 4k should be shaper than 1080p. But it seemed like it was way too soft that he had to make a mention of it
I believe face and eye detect still works in 120 but I can’t check anymore as I had to send it back (just checked my Fx3 and it works in 120/4k so I would assume it works on 120/1080 on the a7iv) No active steadyshot in 120 Weight isn’t a bit heavier than the A7c but not a crazy amount. I still liked vlogging with it.
False for same quality in 1080p with différents fps. 120fps in 1080p is only in 8bits if we want the sound, otherwise we go through the dedicated slow-Mo mode in this case we have 1080p 120i/s 10 bits but no sound capture.
You’re right! The 120p 1080 is 8 bit. But as far as how it LOOKS the quality looks great next to the 60p or 24p. Previously, the 120p got a lot softer in older cameras. That said, not having 10 but will give you less ability for grading and potentially more issues with color banding in certain situations.
Isn’t it kind of impossible to answer questions or to give a full review on a pre production model with pre production firmware though A few other photographers said they won’t give a full review until the official release of the camera with the final production firmware
Not really, there were very few bugs in my experience (and the others who I talked to who had the camera) so you can expect the experience to be very similar. Generally, by the time they go out to reviewers like this, it’s 99.9999% of the way there and it’s pretty obvious what are pre-production issues that will get fixed and what is final.
Do you think we will see an firmware upgrade to get like a 7k or 6k 30p mode in videos? What kind of firmware upgrades did the A7iii have during the years?
Ok, thanks, x2 the price of the Panasonic S5 with less functionalities, 10bit 4K Sony vs 12 bit 4K and 5.9K ProRes or B-Res on Atomos on Panasonic for half the price. AF is the only advantage. Lol The most simple decision I ever made.
disappointing camera i wished to buy but is not appealing at all.. the stacked sensor is a must .. so I don't see much of a difference with my a7III.. of course 10 bit is something but not, when there is a crop for 4k 60p ... why sonyyyyyy why such minor upgrade!!!!! and a bigger price !!! No way. When companies don't evolve for not compete with their lineup .. is awful for us.. canon finally is just giving us all, the best camera i would buy right now the R3 that offers all, especially no compromise for video.. 6k raw 60 P full frame.. is almost 3 times the price yes .. but is almost a definitive camera and future proof.. and allows for me the best quality wise system whoch is 6k that is easily scaled to 8k without loss... and also in 4k is just amazing... sony should have rais its bar... but no no 6k at all no raw.. and i am referring to FX6 especially a camare that could have had it all.. instead... not intresting.. the only camere that i would buy would be the A7sIII, here i can see innovation and a good product.. but the rest is just to minimal upgrade.. Love the canon and as soon i will gather money i will jump to their eco system even if i am a sony entusiast...
My main reason for upgrading is the seemingly vast autofocus improvement over my A7III. That feature alone will directly impact the number of usable shots you get.
@@dunnadidit same, already pre-ordered, but coming from a Nikon D3500 even if the photography side isn't a big upgrade from the a7III, it is from where I am coming from LOL. great video, really helpful to know more about the quality and features to expect once it arrives. (though I wish it was 2weeks, not 2months :P )
I've already pre-ordered my A7iv. (I'm at the front of the line at a major local camera shop. Heehee.) Personally, I think the benefits and the positives outweigh what others consider to be shortcomings. Or I consider them to have workarounds to overcome them. Until the A7iv is released, I can never watch enough A7iv videos. So, thank you for this.
I believe the crop in 4K/60 is because the sensor read out speed, at this price point, is too slow to read the entire space of the sensor for 60FPS. This is where of a lot of the added cost of the 7SIII/FX3/A1 comes from, the higher read speed sensor. This is also why the rolling shutter is an issue with this camera and not so much on the higher end bodies. This concept is the same for distorted silent shooting for fast moving subjects. By the time the sensor reads from top to bottom, the subject has moved in the frame.
I think one point that reinforces it is that the R6 has similar issues and the S5 is much better but not perfect. I believe the Z5 is similar but I'm not sure
Very solid content as usual. As I have not shot a lot of video, but hope to, I still get dizzy with all the codecs, bit rates, LUTs, and color grading. Maybe you have a video that breaks all that down? Or maybe know one. But nevertheless this vidio reinforces my confidence in my A7iv decision. And the A7Cii just came out and I still think this is the better choice for me. Thanks for all your great content!
I’ve definitely considered a video on this topic! My a7cii review comes out tomorrow and I touch on it a little bit but it could definitely use a more in depth look!
bro, this is such a great video, literally addressing all the concerns people have by actually going out and doing the tests. I can only imagine how long this wouldve taken you. Really appreciate it, just got yourself a nee sub :)
I am surprised that you missed the most important improvement, that of video focusing and tracking. The A7 IV is ahead of the A7c who is ahead of the A7iii. The user's control of how fast it tracks moving objects and people and how sticky you can make it, is the main reason most people are upgrading. And this is an area that demand fast processors (Like the A1). THAT is where the processing power went in case you still wonder :)
This was a followup video as I mentioned. I talked about AF in the first video and no one asked any questions about it so it didn't make it into this one. You're right though... the AF is great!
as an aspiring content creator, this was such a useful video. I was stuck on the A7C or A7IV as a first serious workhorse camera. Knowing that the image quality between the a7c/a7siii vs the a7iv isn't much different, there isn't much incentive for me to get the a7iv, other than getting it for the video capabilities. That being said, i really should try out the a7c, invest the leftover money on some quality glass and in the future, upgrade to the a7iv instead of the a7siii for its video capabilities since it is much cheaper and still a pretty good video camera. Thanks for this video. I'll still go to my local camera shop and rent out these equipment to get a feel for the camera. Love this indepth review man.
Such a solid video man. Great questions and great insight into this upcoming camera. Helped validate my pre-order of the camera. I feel it will be a huge upgrade from my A7III especially for lapses.
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As a photographer I use the EVF almost all the time. a7iv have a better EVF than a7iii, maybe it don't make a huge difference. a7c have a terrible EVF.
Yesterday received My A7IV and i was scratching my head on these codecs, but again Dunna Dit it, so then question popped in my mind which card I need for S, I, & HS, guess what Dunna Did It again, thanks man, you are a great help
About monitoring audio with bt headphones there is a workaround. You can use your phone to monitor wireless via wifi and then use youf bt headohones conected to your phone to monitor the audio. Its gonna have a small latency but its so low that its nlt a problem at least for me!
Great video! One question though; in your comparison photos of the lake/ mountain, the a73 showed ripples on the water and the a74 there weren't many and just looked smoother; was it a difference in camera or just timing of the shot?
Most likely just the timing of the shot. Took me a bit to swap out the cameras and the lens and such so that they’d all be in the same place and with the same lens.
@@dunnadidit Ha ha... I do know peope here who have been using Sony cameras, so it should be up to the task. I haven't bought a camera in many, many years and have been looking to see what the current models are like. A few years ago I was editing some footage from a variety of cameras and one in particular had a particularly nice image so I asked which camera that was and was surprised when they told me it was a Sony. Sony used to have a real problem with clipping around high-contrast areas, but now the image is so clean. A little concerned about the rolling shutter, though. Does that lessen when not shooting 4K?
I have an a6400 and find that I am missing some shots by using non-stabilized lenses (tamron 11-20 f2.8 and Sony 16-55 f2.8). My question is about selling this gear and upgrading to a body with IBIS. I really only shoot photos so am not concerned with video features. With the Sony a7iv being out, it seems like there are some great deals to be had on used versions of the a7iii so I was wondering if a used a7iii would be the best way to jump up to full frame, or if the a7iv is worth the extra money. I've seen really clean a7iii bodies going for around $2000 CAD which is a massive savings over the a7iv when you factor in taxes. Thanks for all the awesome videos!
I think that anything you use will be an upgrade over the 6400 when it comes to moving up to full frame the a7iii takes insane photos, the a7riii also takes insane photos and it has that 40 something megapixel sensor which is wild and also puts it in about the same photo range as the new a7iv with its 33 mp sensor so if you’re trying to get close to the a7iv get the a7riii it’s around 2400 used RN at least that’s what the one I saw today at Best Buy was selling for
I’m choosing this over the C, because I know no matter what I’m going to do, the screen, and the interface is going to be a downgrade from my iPhone. And I even struggle with the screen on my iPhone sometimes so I’m going to be in a world of hurt if I go with the C. Sounds to me like it’s going to be worth the jump in price just so I don’t drive myself crazy
Great overview….ya for me I am good. I have A7siii and A7c. Not a big enough upgrade from A7c to A7iv, plus I just love the size of the A7c. Plus my A7c is mainly for photography. See you in the next one
I intended to buy a Sony a7IV, but on the store's website there were many who mentioned that they were returning because overheating. 2 buyers mentioned that although they set Temp. to high, the camera stopped after 8 minutes of filming. Both strangely mentioned the same value 8 minutes. (In Europe) Another said that overheating occurred when he was setting up the camera for the first time. It didn't even let him set the camera. Can the camera record 4K 24 fps for 8 minutes or an hour? Could it be from slow V30 or V60 SD memory cards? Do SFexpress cards solve the problem? Everything seems superlative, but 2500 $ for 8 minutes is not worth it. Thank you!
Thx man..great review. I just moved over from Canon and ordered an A7 IV. Supposed to be here in a couple days. Not gonna go in to why I switched, but to say I have been a Canon shooter for over 18 Years. All good, great cameras just time for me to move on. Look forward to ithe change. I have tested Sonys in the past so Im not totally blind going in. Really love your style of photo and video and the channel.
*Does Sony shoot 8 or 10 bit 4:2:2 in anything other than h.264/265? I don’t think these are comparatively with FREE Davinci resolve?* Will these work with the trial version of Final Cut Pro? Cheers
I have a question, could you make a beat using sony shutter sounds? I feel like you could hearing the tone/pitch differences between the different models now.
To me it is a big upgrade to a7III/a7c. But my situation is I am always bring and use 2 cameras for my video shoot. My a7III and a7c works seamlessly together. For wedding if we have second shooter, then we have like 4, 5 cameras. It is kind pointless for one camera has 10bit 422 shooting slog3 and rest of cameras still shoot 8bit 420 in cine2 or hlg. I would say if one has a7sIII and want a second camera is less expensive than a7sIII but still retain all the codec, then this is the great option. But for me until I can afford two a74, I will still stick to my current camera set up.
**UPDATE** At 6:30, I mislabeled the cameras. In the individual shots, the A7IV and FX3 are mixed up... a few seconds later when I show all 3 side by side, the labels are correct! Thanks to @zeko reko for pointing this out and keen eye!
Quick question... according to sensor light, would the sigma 18-50 2.8 in apsc mode on the a7iv at 18mm have the same amount of sensor light as a full frame version 16-55 2.8 in 27mm on the a7iv in full frame? Like, will the 2.8 amount of light hitting the sensor be the same?
ok...its now 3 weeks that Iam posting a question that no one seems could not answer.
Is that possible to have a raw video file from the a7iv with hdmi conected to an external monitor like ninja 5! So no compression at all???
Literally the only video I could find that went over the 1080p quality! Thanks for going over this, Dunna! Too many people get over excited by 4k and forget that you can only 120p in 1080. Glad you covered it
My pleasure Jack!
Well put together review and when tech reviewers are a dime a dozen now, looking fresh and unique with giving honest opinions. Keep up the great work! You won a subscription (And I DO NOT miss a single video!)
Thanks so much for saying that!!
Best 20 minutes to spend on YT about this camera. Thank you for all the honest and calm presented information. You did it. ;-)
Thanks for saying that!!
this lens i tried using it as back up for a wedding , It was a job well done, the photos were sharp and good.
Many thanks for answering those questions.
My only concern was the rolling shutter but as long as it is similar to A7iii's then I'm okay with it.
I've used the a7iii for 3 years and rolling shutter wasn't a problem (it all depends on how we use the camera and what we use it for).
I'm excited for you on your upcoming travels.
I am going on a 3 months travel to the far east next Jan and will be taking the sony a7iv with me.
Yeah you’ll be just fine with rolling shutter. I think we’re just getting pickier nowadays haha.
@@dunnadidit Yeah but don't expect it to be on Par with the A7s3, less to read out with that camera, this camera has over over 2x as much to read out. If you ever tried the A7r4 you will see how bad it can get, at 62 megapixels it can get pretty bad even in photos.
Been using the A7C for the last year and few months. It was my first full frame mirrorless camera when I transitioned from the Canon APS-C DSLR world (80D) to the Sony full frame world! At first I looked at the A7iii but I needed the updated video features, color science, autofocus and flip out screen that the A7C just so happened to have over the A7iii. Come about a year and a few months later and having made some money using the A7C, I think I’m ready to sell it so I can upgrade to the A7IV. The A7C has served me well and has helped me create great video and photo projects (even shot a wedding with it if you can believe it. No Duel SD card slot made it extremely stressful though lol) however I think in order to be taken more seriously as a professional creator and also be able to fully trust and rely on my gear with the additional pro features I’m not getting the with A7C. I think it’s worth the upgrade
I shoot still photos, and I'm happy with my a7iii, but I am eager to upgrade to the a7iv. I mostly want it for the slightly better ergonomics, better I/O covers, and AF improvements. Oh, and higher rez sensor is just a nice bonus.
Yeah if those quality of life improvements are the winner for you… they are awesome!
Patrick Rothfuss has shown up in more than one of your videos. Love it.
So gooood!
The separation of photo and video settings as well as the switch justifies the upgrade for me.
Nice!
Why can’t my iPhone and Mac support 10bit footage? Is it my sd card, or is it the phone and MacBook? I record in 10 bit and when I try to import, Mac can’t play it, and iPhone won’t even import it. Help!
Great video. Not many people can articulate well the way you do. Thanks
just bought a IV this is a great rundown!
You should definetly visit south italy.. nearby my house theres a paradise of undiscovered places of untouched nature. Make a whistle if you need a guide and a free place to stay (i got a airbb apartment) you wont regret 😎
Cool to have A7iv with FF lenses fof wedding shoot & with APS-C Lenses for travel. Since it shoots at 4k from 4.6k in APS-C its good.
Exactly!
Thanks Dunna, you addressed many questions I had. Great job! Renting is great advice, it really helps determine if you like a product in advance
Excellent video! I’m upgrading to this from an a7iii. I also have an a7siii so the a7iv will be an excellent b cam for video since now it has the same codecs as the a7siii, and for photos I’m really looking forward to the 4D tracking focus and higher MP.
Thank you so much for this thorough video. Just got my A7iv. I think your assessment is about right. Great quality of life upgrades but if you only shoot stills, not really an upgrade… at least on in image quality from the A7iii.
Awesome video! Thank you so much! Im leaning towards the FX3!
A crucial difference I see in your landscape images is to be found in the dynamic range. When looking at rocks, cliffs, trees, it's obvious : the amount of definition in the darker areas is huge compared with the Alpha 7M3. When it shows a dark stripe of tree apexes, the AM4 show each apex in detail. And it just is similar with the rock-walls and cliffs : so much more to see there.
Does it matter, really ? Ask landscape-only photographers, mainly the ones who use chambers or medium-format cameras. Why do they use these devices, are they just masochists, did they win those at some lottery ?
Details in landscape are just as important as the quality of the raw cocoa in real hand-made "truffes" (the things you call truffles in Northern America). This is what makes the difference between good and oustanding. For its price, the 7M4 produces outstanding images, and it takes about 3 times its retail price to see a concrete difference in image depth, dynamic, definition.
What actually is 10 bit? Is it set it and forget it? Or does it require extra editing? Kind of like the iPhone has the ultra high dynamic range or whatever they call it where it changes the image totally blown out until you fix it. In the editing.
dunna will not stop doing it
Great review! Very helpful! Thanks!
Cheers!
I have been in debates between the A7iv and the A1.
I haven't seen a video that really compares the two.
As a person thinking to convert to Sony from Canon, that was really thorough review. What third party lenses would you suggest for full time vlogging and for some B-rolls with this camera?
I've watched many of these a7iv videos. I came across one video where the landscape photographer talked about the a7iii having "hot spots" that are gone with the a7iv. There was also a "banding & striping issue" with the a7iii sensor. This appears with certain lens and high backlight conditions. I believe this is gone with the a7iv sensor.
Very interesting!!
Thank you for your videos. I would like to see how good/ easy it is to stream with this camera. With USB and HDMI cable.
Great video man! You think Sonys going to update the siii/fx3/a1 with breathing compensation and focus map?
which is more sophisticated Sony A9 vs Sony A7iv?
I’m curious if the dynamic range differs between the A7iii and A7iv on regular 4K shooting and also if the raw files for photos can be pushed more on exposure and color when editing? Thank you.
Thanks
I think the 4K 60p with Crop is a huge opportunity to get some work out of the Sony 10-18 f/4.0 crop lens. This is a cheap lens that every reviewer has said they have gotten years of life out of, and it has stabilization. Thoughts?
I shoot my real estate photos with that lens on an a6100 now over my Rokinon 14mm 2.8 or Tamron 17-28mm on my a7III just for the sharpness / wide angle / AF. It has been a beast of a performer and I think it will nicely fill the gap for the rare occasion that I need wide slow-mo. Using it on the a6100 for 4K 24p and 1080 120p has been immaculate. Looking forward to getting my a7IV to test.
Did you test it?
Thanks for the video! I may have missed it, but what is the video quality in the S&Q settings? Is it still 1080p like the A7III?
4k!! 10 bit 4:2:2 and everything!
@@dunnadidit alright awesome! Thanks for the reply!
In reference to your photo quality comment, photo quality hasn't drastically improved in any camera for the last several years. Part of this has to do with he fact that we have had 16bit raw for quite some time and we could really push grades in programs like Lightroom for a long time. My A7r2 still hangs with most cameras in what I can get out of it including the new A7r4, and Canon R5, heck I borrowed a Canon 5D MK3 for a shoot a couple years ago and it was still preforming like a champ. However with my A7r2 im still amazed at how much dynamic range I can pull out of it with post processing, I can already get HDR off a single shot, and as a lot of us know there is much debate on the HDR look for photos as it is because we start to venture in the area that it looks surreal and unnatural.
How about sony a7rv bro ....?
Is this worth upgrading from the a6000?
Will lenses from a Sony A6400 work with it?
Battery Grip sony A7iv is VG-C4EM ou Vg-c3em?
On the Sony A74 in 8 bit 60p is there a crop
Wonder if they will change the 4k 60 crop in a future firmware update...?
Also great video, really helped answer many questions!
The A7iv would have been a no brainer if it had 4k 120. Given the crop, perhaps it can do 4K 120 but Sony decided not to include it so it does no compete with A7siii.
How do Sony cameras handle extreme weather conditions? I have yet to find a single video on TH-cam, of anyone using a Sony camera in pouring rain, extreme cold or extreme humidity. The impression I got so far from trying to research Sony cameras build quality and weather sealing is that either Sony users are afraid to use their cameras in extreme weather or the Sony cameras can't handle rain and humidity well... I'm asking because I shoot WRC/FIA and other Rally events all over Europe, Asia and Americas, with sometimes having to stay in the rain, walking around the track/stage for the entire day - and I would like to switch to Sony but I just can't find any solid proof that Sony cameras can indeed candle extreme weather - which I'm mostly interested about how they are in rain, more specifically heavy rain. If anyone here owns an a7iv, a7Riv, a9ll or a1 and you have shot in extreme weather, please reply! Thanks in advance!
I shoot in reasonably cold conditions and dunked my Fx3 in a decent amount of snow so far this winter season with no issues at all. I also had the a74 out in quite a bit of rain a couple times with no issue as well. I don’t know if I’d call the situations extreme and I did try to shield it if I could, but in the end, they both got good and wet without problems.
With the 2022 trip you have to be over 18, are you aloud if travelling with an older friend?
Hmmm, I’m not sure about this! I’ll see what trovatrip says
Hey Sam, so it looks like most likely, with a parent or guardian, you can make it work. Also, not sure what age you are but if you happen to be 17 and will turn 18 before the trip, that would also work.
Watching this two weeks after i got one. Haven’t found anything I don’t like yet
🔥🔥🔥
Late to the party here, lol. I was watching HARV Video/Audio Stuff (the YT channel) and he's had a very difficult time shooting smooth high framerate footage with the a7IV. Any thoughts man?
Hmmm I’ve never run into any issues that I noticed, but I’ll have to do some more tests and check out his video.
@@dunnadidit Cool, I appreciate the lightning fast reply there man. I haven't heard of anyone else with the issue.
But would you recommend getting it over A7iii or A7c when you don´t own them?
Yes! If you’re picking between the a7iv and those others, get the a7iv
How does the Canon R5 compare to the new Sony A7IV??
Great video. Have u tested the 1080p footage. According to Gerald Undone, he says that it's very soft as compared to the 4k. Can't find any other youtubers with more info on this and how bad it really is.
I know 4k should be shaper than 1080p. But it seemed like it was way too soft that he had to make a mention of it
Check the chapter markers on this video, I did a 1080p test for you. It’s definitely softer… but it’s half the resolution so 🤷🏻♂️
@@dunnadidit Thank you so much!!
thank you somuch
Very good.
Did anyone who had the sony a7iv, try to use Imaging Edge apps and connect to sony a7iv while shoot a video. Did the phone can be a focus puller ?
What about raw can we use the ninja ?
Not 100% about that because of the 7K resolution.
Will the face/eye detect work on 120fps a7iv?
Can we use active steady shot on 120fps?
Is a7iv is too much heavy to vlog with than a7c?
I believe face and eye detect still works in 120 but I can’t check anymore as I had to send it back (just checked my Fx3 and it works in 120/4k so I would assume it works on 120/1080 on the a7iv)
No active steadyshot in 120
Weight isn’t a bit heavier than the A7c but not a crazy amount. I still liked vlogging with it.
@@dunnadidit a7iii doesn't have eye or face detect on 120fps...I doubt that.. 🥺 thanks for confirming the rest ...
I wonder what the shutter rating is? I know the a7iii was like, 100,000 or something?
I think it was 200,000 and the a7rIV was 500k. I’m sure it’s some where in that range haha.
@@dunnadidit that sounds right! Thanks 🙏
I know it would probably void the warranty but would there be a way to patch the firmware to allow 4k60p without a crop?
14:43 😍
False for same quality in 1080p with différents fps.
120fps in 1080p is only in 8bits if we want the sound, otherwise we go through the dedicated slow-Mo mode in this case we have 1080p 120i/s 10 bits but no sound capture.
You’re right! The 120p 1080 is 8 bit. But as far as how it LOOKS the quality looks great next to the 60p or 24p. Previously, the 120p got a lot softer in older cameras.
That said, not having 10 but will give you less ability for grading and potentially more issues with color banding in certain situations.
Isn’t it kind of impossible to answer questions or to give a full review on a pre production model with pre production firmware though A few other photographers said they won’t give a full review until the official release of the camera with the final production firmware
Not really, there were very few bugs in my experience (and the others who I talked to who had the camera) so you can expect the experience to be very similar. Generally, by the time they go out to reviewers like this, it’s 99.9999% of the way there and it’s pretty obvious what are pre-production issues that will get fixed and what is final.
Do you think we will see an firmware upgrade to get like a 7k or 6k 30p mode in videos? What kind of firmware upgrades did the A7iii have during the years?
No that wont happen at this price point
@@dna8269 to bad. Just thought because that Panasonic did it to the Lumix S1 that they maybe would.
Ok, thanks, x2 the price of the Panasonic S5 with less functionalities, 10bit 4K Sony vs 12 bit 4K and 5.9K ProRes or B-Res on Atomos on Panasonic for half the price.
AF is the only advantage. Lol
The most simple decision I ever made.
Lots of time talking video but not how sloooow the fps in uncompressed raw. It's almost twice as slow as a7iii
the 1080 on a7siii is beter than a7iii
disappointing camera i wished to buy but is not appealing at all.. the stacked sensor is a must .. so I don't see much of a difference with my a7III.. of course 10 bit is something but not, when there is a crop for 4k 60p ... why sonyyyyyy why such minor upgrade!!!!! and a bigger price !!! No way. When companies don't evolve for not compete with their lineup .. is awful for us.. canon finally is just giving us all, the best camera i would buy right now the R3 that offers all, especially no compromise for video.. 6k raw 60 P full frame.. is almost 3 times the price yes .. but is almost a definitive camera and future proof.. and allows for me the best quality wise system whoch is 6k that is easily scaled to 8k without loss... and also in 4k is just amazing... sony should have rais its bar... but no no 6k at all no raw.. and i am referring to FX6 especially a camare that could have had it all.. instead... not intresting.. the only camere that i would buy would be the A7sIII, here i can see innovation and a good product.. but the rest is just to minimal upgrade.. Love the canon and as soon i will gather money i will jump to their eco system even if i am a sony entusiast...
My main reason for upgrading is the seemingly vast autofocus improvement over my A7III. That feature alone will directly impact the number of usable shots you get.
100%
Good point
Exactly. I was disappointed with the A7III auto focus in dark conditions
Higher megapixels 4k60, flip out screen, unlimited Recording, better color science, focus breathing correction, better low light less grainy,
10bit is key too
Definitely answered a few questions I had even though I’ve already pre-ordered mine. Thanks for the video!
My pleasure!!
@@dunnadidit same, already pre-ordered, but coming from a Nikon D3500 even if the photography side isn't a big upgrade from the a7III, it is from where I am coming from LOL. great video, really helpful to know more about the quality and features to expect once it arrives. (though I wish it was 2weeks, not 2months :P )
Haha I’m stoked for you!
Does anyone know what video setting I can your for the A7iv can focus on a item rather then person as a product reviewer.
Turn off face detection
Really useful recap man. Thank you!
Thanks dude!!
I've already pre-ordered my A7iv. (I'm at the front of the line at a major local camera shop. Heehee.)
Personally, I think the benefits and the positives outweigh what others consider to be shortcomings. Or I consider them to have workarounds to overcome them. Until the A7iv is released, I can never watch enough A7iv videos. So, thank you for this.
Just got mine. It’s pretty fun!
I believe the crop in 4K/60 is because the sensor read out speed, at this price point, is too slow to read the entire space of the sensor for 60FPS. This is where of a lot of the added cost of the 7SIII/FX3/A1 comes from, the higher read speed sensor. This is also why the rolling shutter is an issue with this camera and not so much on the higher end bodies. This concept is the same for distorted silent shooting for fast moving subjects. By the time the sensor reads from top to bottom, the subject has moved in the frame.
Yup! Exactly!
Canon r6 nuff said!
I think one point that reinforces it is that the R6 has similar issues and the S5 is much better but not perfect. I believe the Z5 is similar but I'm not sure
Very solid content as usual. As I have not shot a lot of video, but hope to, I still get dizzy with all the codecs, bit rates, LUTs, and color grading. Maybe you have a video that breaks all that down? Or maybe know one. But nevertheless this vidio reinforces my confidence in my A7iv decision. And the A7Cii just came out and I still think this is the better choice for me. Thanks for all your great content!
I’ve definitely considered a video on this topic! My a7cii review comes out tomorrow and I touch on it a little bit but it could definitely use a more in depth look!
bro, this is such a great video, literally addressing all the concerns people have by actually going out and doing the tests. I can only imagine how long this wouldve taken you. Really appreciate it, just got yourself a nee sub :)
The most in-depth, non-bais and informative video on the A7IV i've seen to date. Thank you for doing this, Dunna!
My pleasure!!
I am surprised that you missed the most important improvement, that of video focusing and tracking. The A7 IV is ahead of the A7c who is ahead of the A7iii. The user's control of how fast it tracks moving objects and people and how sticky you can make it, is the main reason most people are upgrading. And this is an area that demand fast processors (Like the A1). THAT is where the processing power went in case you still wonder :)
This was a followup video as I mentioned. I talked about AF in the first video and no one asked any questions about it so it didn't make it into this one. You're right though... the AF is great!
R6 nuff said
as an aspiring content creator, this was such a useful video. I was stuck on the A7C or A7IV as a first serious workhorse camera. Knowing that the image quality between the a7c/a7siii vs the a7iv isn't much different, there isn't much incentive for me to get the a7iv, other than getting it for the video capabilities. That being said, i really should try out the a7c, invest the leftover money on some quality glass and in the future, upgrade to the a7iv instead of the a7siii for its video capabilities since it is much cheaper and still a pretty good video camera. Thanks for this video. I'll still go to my local camera shop and rent out these equipment to get a feel for the camera.
Love this indepth review man.
Such a solid video man. Great questions and great insight into this upcoming camera. Helped validate my pre-order of the camera. I feel it will be a huge upgrade from my A7III especially for lapses.
Glad it was helpful my man!!
Yes !
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One quick question
Does 120fps shoots 8bit or 10bit?
As a photographer I use the EVF almost all the time. a7iv have a better EVF than a7iii, maybe it don't make a huge difference. a7c have a terrible EVF.
People who ask 'should I upgrade' are people who have no good reason for upgrading.
Wow! Just a treasure-trove of information very well presented! Thanks - from Edmonton too. 🇨🇦
Yesterday received My A7IV and i was scratching my head on these codecs, but again Dunna Dit it, so then question popped in my mind which card I need for S, I, & HS, guess what Dunna Did It again, thanks man, you are a great help
Niiice!
About monitoring audio with bt headphones there is a workaround. You can use your phone to monitor wireless via wifi and then use youf bt headohones conected to your phone to monitor the audio. Its gonna have a small latency but its so low that its nlt a problem at least for me!
Interesting, I didn't know that it sent audio over the wireless connection!
And then he said he went to Hawaii like as if he went to the bathroom oh so casually 😂
Haha 😂 I just can’t talk about why yet… so I had to say it kind of in passing.
Dude you came here and didn’t tell me 😭😭😭. I’m very near Waikiki. Let go to Sapporo for mountains 🏔🤙🏽 #Aloha
Cant wait to upgrade to the a7iv from my canon 6D, i think it will be really significant
Great video! One question though; in your comparison photos of the lake/ mountain, the a73 showed ripples on the water and the a74 there weren't many and just looked smoother; was it a difference in camera or just timing of the shot?
Most likely just the timing of the shot. Took me a bit to swap out the cameras and the lens and such so that they’d all be in the same place and with the same lens.
Mentions shooting in 29º weather in Hawaii while talking about overheating. Me, living in Bangkok: "And what about on a hot day?"
Haha I’m from Canada. That’s nearly as hot as it gets
@@dunnadidit Ha ha... I do know peope here who have been using Sony cameras, so it should be up to the task. I haven't bought a camera in many, many years and have been looking to see what the current models are like. A few years ago I was editing some footage from a variety of cameras and one in particular had a particularly nice image so I asked which camera that was and was surprised when they told me it was a Sony. Sony used to have a real problem with clipping around high-contrast areas, but now the image is so clean. A little concerned about the rolling shutter, though. Does that lessen when not shooting 4K?
Mahm thank you for this. You answered all my questions . Can’t wait to get this one, upgrading from an A6000 lmao
I have an a6400 and find that I am missing some shots by using non-stabilized lenses (tamron 11-20 f2.8 and Sony 16-55 f2.8). My question is about selling this gear and upgrading to a body with IBIS. I really only shoot photos so am not concerned with video features. With the Sony a7iv being out, it seems like there are some great deals to be had on used versions of the a7iii so I was wondering if a used a7iii would be the best way to jump up to full frame, or if the a7iv is worth the extra money. I've seen really clean a7iii bodies going for around $2000 CAD which is a massive savings over the a7iv when you factor in taxes. Thanks for all the awesome videos!
I think that anything you use will be an upgrade over the 6400 when it comes to moving up to full frame the a7iii takes insane photos, the a7riii also takes insane photos and it has that 40 something megapixel sensor which is wild and also puts it in about the same photo range as the new a7iv with its 33 mp sensor so if you’re trying to get close to the a7iv get the a7riii it’s around 2400 used RN at least that’s what the one I saw today at Best Buy was selling for
Comment before watching: Pre-ordered this camera the second it went live on B&H. was waiting a long time - plz no make me sad. :)
Haha 😂 don’t worry, it’s a great camera, you’ll love it!
Too late man, I already bought it, but I'll watch it anyways 😂
Haha 😂 good choice!
Moving up from an a6100, super happy to see this kind of testing to validate my purchase
helo btother is it worth it for me to buy it for vlogs or wedding photo shoots.
Great camera for that!
I’m choosing this over the C, because I know no matter what I’m going to do, the screen, and the interface is going to be a downgrade from my iPhone. And I even struggle with the screen on my iPhone sometimes so I’m going to be in a world of hurt if I go with the C. Sounds to me like it’s going to be worth the jump in price just so I don’t drive myself crazy
Great overview….ya for me I am good. I have A7siii and A7c. Not a big enough upgrade from A7c to A7iv, plus I just love the size of the A7c. Plus my A7c is mainly for photography. See you in the next one
Noice!!
I love the a7c but for the active stabilisation I want a7iv... So how good the active mode in the a7siii of your... Don't you need gimbal with this
I intended to buy a Sony a7IV, but on the store's website there were many who mentioned that they were returning because overheating.
2 buyers mentioned that although they set Temp. to high, the camera stopped after 8 minutes of filming. Both strangely mentioned the same value 8 minutes. (In Europe)
Another said that overheating occurred when he was setting up the camera for the first time. It didn't even let him set the camera.
Can the camera record 4K 24 fps for 8 minutes or an hour? Could it be from slow V30 or V60 SD memory cards? Do SFexpress cards solve the problem?
Everything seems superlative, but 2500 $ for 8 minutes is not worth it.
Thank you!
Thx man..great review. I just moved over from Canon and ordered an A7 IV. Supposed to be here in a couple days. Not gonna go in to why I switched, but to say I have been a Canon shooter for over 18 Years. All good, great cameras just time for me to move on. Look forward to ithe change. I have tested Sonys in the past so Im not totally blind going in. Really love your style of photo and video and the channel.
*Does Sony shoot 8 or 10 bit 4:2:2 in anything other than h.264/265? I don’t think these are comparatively with FREE Davinci resolve?* Will these work with the trial version of Final Cut Pro? Cheers
I have a question, could you make a beat using sony shutter sounds? I feel like you could hearing the tone/pitch differences between the different models now.
Haha the answer is yes… the real question is… will I?
To me it is a big upgrade to a7III/a7c. But my situation is I am always bring and use 2 cameras for my video shoot. My a7III and a7c works seamlessly together. For wedding if we have second shooter, then we have like 4, 5 cameras. It is kind pointless for one camera has 10bit 422 shooting slog3 and rest of cameras still shoot 8bit 420 in cine2 or hlg. I would say if one has a7sIII and want a second camera is less expensive than a7sIII but still retain all the codec, then this is the great option. But for me until I can afford two a74, I will still stick to my current camera set up.