Things I wanna see covered in the doc: Abuse of women over the years Steroid trial Covering up the Snuka case Ring boy scandal Owen hart incident Second steroid scandal following the Benoit murders What happened with Ashley Massaro Killing the wrestling territories. This better not be a puff piece
The vast majority of netflix' username won't even know who Vince is. The people more inclined to watch it by anything that Vince himself says are the people already likely to watch it.
There were a lot of companies who were trying to cancel deals on the 2 days after the announcement of the lawsuit. We just didnt hear from all of them. Im sure Netflix was one of them. Sponsors/Networks were major factors that pushed the board into getting rid of Vince as well as the allegations.
Could this not be a way for Netflix to protect their investment into raw by getting out in front of the allegations, try to set the narrative and distance themselves from Vince since wwe is still getting sued?
It was largely already in the can a while ago. However, the amount spent on this documentary, combined with all the business and legal drama to follow, put the network in a conundrum. They had to put it out because otherwise it would have been a waste of millions in production costs spent; plus it might have been seen as another “catch and kill” scenario which might have hurt Netflix reputationally. At the same time, it couldn’t be released without the Janel Grant case mentioned because it had to acknowledge the most recent developments, again to head off accusations of it being a puff piece or, worse, of “catch and kill”. Netflix, and WWE, want to present pro wrestling as having moved on from this level of malfeasance. To glorify the man on top of this growth, in the face of his role in keeping this evildoing going, would have undermined that movement and might, over time, might have placed a huge target on the industry’s back.
But why do this at the expense of fracturing their relationship with TKO WWE? Smackdown replay, PLE and Network bidding will be coming up soon. Doing this without their approval doesn't make any sense.
@@DJSkandalousWWE themselves have distance themselves from Vince. So if it hurts the relationship then they won’t make it known. Plus money talks. Netflix offers you money, you take the money despite of whatever they say about Vince
@@philiphaller1018 I did also think this. I could believe with Vince there's no level he won't stoop to for attention. Again, I don't know what he was expecting if it didn't turn out the way he wanted. The ultimate carny.
Didn't Netflix cancel the doc once the sexual abuse news broke? I thought this entire time it was a cancelled project, then bam, Netflix releases a 90 second trailer. So I was super surprised to see they're releasing it, especially after WWE signed with Netflix. You certainly don't wanna start your new relationship off with a hit piece on the company and former owner. Interesting way to kick off a partnership, indeed. Even if they don't sensationalize too much, it's still an ugly story to tell. The idea of forcing people to sign NDA's as a tactic to cover criminal behavior is an interesting topic I hope they explore. I remember Harvey Weinstein practiced similar shit in his case.
@@megamanxhunter I know, hence the project being cancelled. Because Netflix wasn't prepared to document a person accused of rape so they dropped the project altogether. But it seems they didn't.
@@Bandana_Boi I think the project wasn't canceled, or it was at a too late stage to kill it. Because back in 2022, WWE wasn't talking to Netflix for a broadcast deal for Raw, that didn't happen until after Vince came back and Endeavor bought WWE.
Honestly Vince McMahon statement is why i am a bit more excited now. It makes me believe that there's a chance that netflix isn't holding back in it. Although I can still see it focusing too much on "mr McMahon" persona but when vince comes out swinging like that i can get my hopes up that we will actually see some vince scandal and not mr McMahon
He released that statement and totally misread the room because that's Vince, he fundamentally doesn't understand the modern media landscape and his last 8-10 years, maybe even longer, in the WWE show that.
Almost done with the series now, and I don't know why Vince would possibly be afraid of it. It really doesn't present anything new that a hundred other docuseries on the WWE hasn't covered and many of the interviews are infact lifted from them, it seems. Edit. Only like rhe last 20 mins I think really shed a negative light on him mostly due to the recent news but even then it's stuff we already knew so it doesn't hurt him more than it already has.
One question - How can Meltzer speak (somewhat) coherently and avoid '' You know uhmmm , i dont know , you know , uhmmm they uhhhh , you know ?'' ..... OR , did Netflix edit all of that out the documentary ?
"WWE didnt have Veto power"....really? Netflix only did a deal for Raw. They cant do a deal for the Network, PLE's, and Smackdown replays untill 2026. You honestly think Netflix would do this without TKO's secret approval when they know that negotiation is on the horizon in 2 years? Stop it. TKO/WWE have tons of leverage here and know it. This has a organized hit piece written all over it. Not defending Vince, we all knew he was like this. But to say WWE couldnt stop this is a bit naive.
They couldn’t because Netflix made the mistake of employing actual journalists with actual integrity who would blow the whistle. Which is way more damaging for WWE and Netflix.
If stone cold, the rock, hogan, came out to say they know and saw something. My God triple h, then you got something special. Wrestling is really messed up. The stars for 20 plus years made no money, no health insurance. Only a few did. Who knows how many fights, rapes have occurred in Wrestling. We do know there are alot of deaths. Vince brought lots of joy to millions for 4ever. However, with power....
His constant positioning of himself in angles with divas where he was kissing and touching them needs to seriously be reviewed as part of that documentary too
Oh fucking wahhhhh stop being so soft non of those women had to be there. They all were consenting adults. And they all cashed the checks. Funny how that works 😂😂
I'm in New Zealand and it's 1am on Wednesday. We typically get Netflix releases at 7pm, day of - it comes out the same time worldwide. Not out here yet and we're ahead of Australia by a few hours.
Never. She was a consenting adult and also took tons of money. She wasn’t locked in a cage and held against her will. She cashed all the checks. Stop being sheep.
"It was 7 episodes, ya know, well at the time I did ya know the interview 6 but then at the end I think it was supposed to be 7 but maybe it was 7 episodes when I started and then it was 6 ya know when I did the Wall Street interview, wait, ya know, not that interview maybe the other interview.." I'm out
The fake stuff literally comes from “media” like Dave and Brian. The word you’re looking for gentlemen, is fixed. Fake wouldn’t eat up a body the way the business does. You’re where this change could start. As a former wrestler I was never bothered by the word fixed, fake always bothered me.
People need to just stop being sensitive about the word because “fixed” isn’t the right word either. Fixed implies that only the ending is a work but all the moves and holds are real which obviously isn’t the case. Yes there’s a lot that is to some degree but there also a great deal that is strictly performative.
@@DukeDurrango Exactly zero which doesn't matter. Ive been a fan for almost 40 years. Not some schmuck trying to undermine what you or other wrestlers put themselves through. Stunt workers in movies literally fall off buildings and get hit by cars but you never see them complaining about their work being called fake. The attitude toward the word comes 1 from kayfabe and 2 from a legitimate issue of media tending to look down on the sport. It's time to let that shit go though. Kayfabe is dead and buried and who gives a toss about the media when wrestling is bigger than it's ever been. Yea slams hurt. Yea some of the stuff wrestlers do is dangerous. But when two wrestlers step into a ring their goal is to put on a show and keep each other safe, not injure each other.
Umm, no. All this stuff happened, and she signed an NDA with regular hush money payments. The payments stopped so she filed. How anyone can look at the evidence in front of them and say ‘it was an affair’ is beyond me.
@@crunchinjellyLet me first say none of us know if it's true or not, now if this woman was trafficked and was in this insane situation that she didn't want to be in why did she not end the relationship? Why did she at end presuming she grew strong and decided she needed to stand up why did she accept payment and not get Vince arrested? Why was she living allowing Vince to pay for her lifestyle, if she was so scared why did she allow him to pay her rent etc letting him know exactly where she was it's all bit to familiar with alot of guys who have had a crazy ex, obviously this version is exaggerated accusations but there are alot of red flags from both accuser and defendant, it's really unprofessional the way thee's so called wrestling media guys just talk like Vince did it and want us to believe he did, mostly they just want to pretend to care so they don't turn viewers off guys like sapp so transparent way they agree and disagree with whichever opinion is popular, dave and rest of thee's guys need to remember Vince has right to fair trial without bias if this case goes to court all thees talking heads making harder to get fair trial and could end up hurting victims chance for speedy outcome there will be legal pressure from vince team to make sure jury hasn't heard the reports but they don't care lol it's all about there content which is fine but don't pretend to care about Janel grant, let thees 2 parties have fair trial and then if guilty condemn until then stfu media.
@@crunchinjellyyou proving the point that shes full of shit. WWE has a policy that employees not supposed to screw around thats why he put a NDA out duhhh. It's not good for the boss to fuck around with employees and she definitely was a side chick
Vince screwed Vince.
2 sides to every story
@onyxmiller6954 3 sides. Both parties are capable of lying, but the third side(the truth) will remain at that
@@greenleaf-gs5kh Text messages from Vince's phone dont lie.
@@onyxmiller6954 Text messages from Vince's phone dont lie.
@@onyxmiller6954 you a 🤡
Things I wanna see covered in the doc:
Abuse of women over the years
Steroid trial
Covering up the Snuka case
Ring boy scandal
Owen hart incident
Second steroid scandal following the Benoit murders
What happened with Ashley Massaro
Killing the wrestling territories.
This better not be a puff piece
What about the egg...million dollar egg.. the Rock gave me this egg
@@alphatoddio the less said about that, the better 😂
@@Bama20512 lol 😆
Don't forget Rita Chatterton, the tanning salon incident(s), protecting Patterson, protecting Moolah, years of televised bigotry, etc.
Relax there keyboard warrior. If it is a “puff piece”, what are you going to do? Send a strongly worded email in all caps?
Is he gonna show up in a neck brace again when he gets taken to court? lmao
Why would he?
@louquay same reason he did for the steriod scandel
@pooldead7712 hahaha fair enough, my experience with tribalism made me think this was a veiled shot at Tony Khan
Walker def
Vince is like they left out so many other perverted things I've done
"I covered up so many more murders than this!"
It really feels like Vince pulled a Trump with this. He can't handle getting punched in the pride and he just *had* to respond to it.
It’s no coincidence the extreme wwe ‘fans’ are just the same as maga
Yep that's generally what men do lol
Honestly he is just marketing the doc even more by doing this since the whole hook of this thing is a total burial of Vince
It isn't going to be what you think.
@@pooldead7712I'm sure you have insider knowledge
@@pooldead7712explain?
"It's just wrestling, it's all fake, who cares." --
Literally you, just now.
The vast majority of netflix' username won't even know who Vince is. The people more inclined to watch it by anything that Vince himself says are the people already likely to watch it.
There was nothing in this documentary that long term wrestling fans didn’t know.
Not true. I have been watching for nearly 40 years, but I had no idea that Vince sang AND danced on a variety hour show.
There were a lot of companies who were trying to cancel deals on the 2 days after the announcement of the lawsuit. We just didnt hear from all of them. Im sure Netflix was one of them. Sponsors/Networks were major factors that pushed the board into getting rid of Vince as well as the allegations.
Could this not be a way for Netflix to protect their investment into raw by getting out in front of the allegations, try to set the narrative and distance themselves from Vince since wwe is still getting sued?
It was largely already in the can a while ago. However, the amount spent on this documentary, combined with all the business and legal drama to follow, put the network in a conundrum. They had to put it out because otherwise it would have been a waste of millions in production costs spent; plus it might have been seen as another “catch and kill” scenario which might have hurt Netflix reputationally. At the same time, it couldn’t be released without the Janel Grant case mentioned because it had to acknowledge the most recent developments, again to head off accusations of it being a puff piece or, worse, of “catch and kill”. Netflix, and WWE, want to present pro wrestling as having moved on from this level of malfeasance. To glorify the man on top of this growth, in the face of his role in keeping this evildoing going, would have undermined that movement and might, over time, might have placed a huge target on the industry’s back.
But why do this at the expense of fracturing their relationship with TKO WWE? Smackdown replay, PLE and Network bidding will be coming up soon. Doing this without their approval doesn't make any sense.
@@DJSkandalousWWE themselves have distance themselves from Vince. So if it hurts the relationship then they won’t make it known. Plus money talks. Netflix offers you money, you take the money despite of whatever they say about Vince
Hope Netflix have edited out all of Dave’s ‘you knows’
Meltzer was in it more than Vince was for the interview parts
I wonder if Vince even realises he's probably bringing more attention to the series by saying this lol looking forward to watching it now!
Well obviously because he gets a cut from it.
@@philiphaller1018 I did also think this. I could believe with Vince there's no level he won't stoop to for attention. Again, I don't know what he was expecting if it didn't turn out the way he wanted. The ultimate carny.
The first episode being titled “Junior” is fucking tremendous 💀
The irony of Vince saying someone else is pushing misinformation
@@thomaslippiatt4132 Vince has probably paid millions to have disinfo pushed and that’s just in the past few years.
Vince is just describing literally every documentary that wwe put out under his watch.
I feel like Dave just talked for 14 mins straight. Is he just actually bad at having a conversation?
Lmao oh yes, beyond bad.
Man on podcast talks a lot, more at 11
in Dave's mind, what he does IS a conversation, he doesn't know a conversation is between two or more people
He’s bad at life. He’s the toe off guy who asks a question then cuts you off 2 words in and answers it for you for the next 10 minutes
A face for radio and a voice for print.
I dont think ive ever seen s 15 minute run-on sentence before.....
Didn't Netflix cancel the doc once the sexual abuse news broke? I thought this entire time it was a cancelled project, then bam, Netflix releases a 90 second trailer.
So I was super surprised to see they're releasing it, especially after WWE signed with Netflix. You certainly don't wanna start your new relationship off with a hit piece on the company and former owner. Interesting way to kick off a partnership, indeed. Even if they don't sensationalize too much, it's still an ugly story to tell.
The idea of forcing people to sign NDA's as a tactic to cover criminal behavior is an interesting topic I hope they explore. I remember Harvey Weinstein practiced similar shit in his case.
It was already in production already before the Wall Street Journal article in 2022.
@@megamanxhunter I know, hence the project being cancelled. Because Netflix wasn't prepared to document a person accused of rape so they dropped the project altogether. But it seems they didn't.
@@Bandana_Boi I think the project wasn't canceled, or it was at a too late stage to kill it. Because back in 2022, WWE wasn't talking to Netflix for a broadcast deal for Raw, that didn't happen until after Vince came back and Endeavor bought WWE.
He’ll upgrade it to a wheelchair instead of a neck brace
Vince putting this out will most likely have the Streisand Effect. Looking forward to tomorrow evening
anyone thats supporting Vince and thinks hes a " Victim " yall should be studied clowns
Vince should have insisted on Hulk style creative control - "that doesnt work for me , brother!"
I kind of get what he’s saying though. No matter how evil the McMahon character was on tv, it shouldn’t impact his real life court case and perception
Everybody but himself says that he actually is the Mr. McMahon character
Oh look vince got his documentary over before it came out like he did with the sale of his company.
Dave Meltzer, has so much to say.
I like him.
So were all the legal documents and text messages "conflated"? F off, Vince.😂
Bryan has the easy number 1 question and Dave just takes off
Honestly Vince McMahon statement is why i am a bit more excited now. It makes me believe that there's a chance that netflix isn't holding back in it. Although I can still see it focusing too much on "mr McMahon" persona but when vince comes out swinging like that i can get my hopes up that we will actually see some vince scandal and not mr McMahon
He released that statement and totally misread the room because that's Vince, he fundamentally doesn't understand the modern media landscape and his last 8-10 years, maybe even longer, in the WWE show that.
Dave is wearing a ROH shirt Wowwww!
No Did.....i mean, no Vinny
Vince literally got away with murder. He was him in the best time to be him. Nothing like this will ever be possible
He can room with Diddy
Almost done with the series now, and I don't know why Vince would possibly be afraid of it. It really doesn't present anything new that a hundred other docuseries on the WWE hasn't covered and many of the interviews are infact lifted from them, it seems.
Edit. Only like rhe last 20 mins I think really shed a negative light on him mostly due to the recent news but even then it's stuff we already knew so it doesn't hurt him more than it already has.
Only think I can think of is because it’s on Netflix and gives all the information to everyone on the entire planet in one click
The lengths ‘fans’ will go to defend a SA in Vince.
Well of course he did.
Vince came back with a hostile takeover with his theme song and everything. Came back just so that the new execs could say "You're FIIIIIIRED!!!" 🤣.
It's 12am or 3am depending on your timezone. Dave Meltzer is so clueless I feel second hand embarrassment listening to him most of the time.
One question - How can Meltzer speak (somewhat) coherently and avoid '' You know uhmmm , i dont know , you know , uhmmm they uhhhh , you know ?'' ..... OR , did Netflix edit all of that out the documentary ?
I’m still keeping my expectations low but Vince (or his intern) putting out that tweet has slightly raised them
I gave ya a like Bryan
Sounds like Bruce wrote that response lol
Any production with Dave Meltzer involved takes an immediate credibility hit. He’s not a journalist.
yes he is a journalist
@@MikeRubin-l8b he’s a fucking shill, his credibility was sold to Tony and his “friends” awhile ago. STFU 🤫
I'm expecting a lot of hate for this series from the WWE ultras
You know Vince has completely when he’s promoting something he doesn’t want you to see 😂
This is all rich coming from him. How many distorted bs documentaries have the WWE put out?
"WWE didnt have Veto power"....really? Netflix only did a deal for Raw. They cant do a deal for the Network, PLE's, and Smackdown replays untill 2026. You honestly think Netflix would do this without TKO's secret approval when they know that negotiation is on the horizon in 2 years? Stop it. TKO/WWE have tons of leverage here and know it. This has a organized hit piece written all over it. Not defending Vince, we all knew he was like this. But to say WWE couldnt stop this is a bit naive.
They couldn’t because Netflix made the mistake of employing actual journalists with actual integrity who would blow the whistle. Which is way more damaging for WWE and Netflix.
Wonder did they interview Vince after the allegations
If stone cold, the rock, hogan, came out to say they know and saw something. My God triple h, then you got something special.
Wrestling is really messed up. The stars for 20 plus years made no money, no health insurance. Only a few did. Who knows how many fights, rapes have occurred in Wrestling.
We do know there are alot of deaths.
Vince brought lots of joy to millions for 4ever.
However, with power....
I would like some one to look in Mr morels Dave past and put his history at there especially with young Japanese girls
Dave sure rambles a lot
His constant positioning of himself in angles with divas where he was kissing and touching them needs to seriously be reviewed as part of that documentary too
Oh fucking wahhhhh stop being so soft non of those women had to be there. They all were consenting adults. And they all cashed the checks. Funny how that works 😂😂
Isn't 3am ET = midnight PT😂
Anyone who watched wwe is going to know what parts are the character.
VKM for AEW GM it's what they need !!!
Dave rambles for 20 mins but I’ll still listen 😂
Use the Australian vpn for netflix. Won't it be on already?
I'm in New Zealand and it's 1am on Wednesday. We typically get Netflix releases at 7pm, day of - it comes out the same time worldwide. Not out here yet and we're ahead of Australia by a few hours.
Dave always inserts himself into things like "they interviewed me" and he makes it sound like he's a Mafia informant
Al Fayed Screwed Tony.
I heard theres a surprise interview with the diddler in this documentary
Man Dave can waffle!
So vince mcmahon is using the hulk hogan defense?
Giving a break ya mook😒
Ah those pesky editing tricks
This guy said nothing at all.
The last episode consists of the most recent stuff .. really
Jesus , Dave rambled for how many straight minutes and said absolutely nothing
You can just hear this guy making things up as he speaks
This guy talks like a malfunctioning robot for real 3:17 I can't do it no more I quit
I farted so much at the library they asked me to leave.
So when are they going to court?
There's a federal investigation ongoing.
Never. She was a consenting adult and also took tons of money. She wasn’t locked in a cage and held against her will. She cashed all the checks. Stop being sheep.
@@amanofiron8252 you would think more would be known. Its been almost a year
@@710moose8 Gonna ignore all the other illegal stuff Vince did? Stuff which has been proven in court documents?
30 seconds into Dave opening his mouth and im out. Bores you to death
These clowns per usual say nothing of substance
They’ve got such a hard on for Tony lol😂
Damn... Dave Melzer boring me to tears😅😅😅
"It was 7 episodes, ya know, well at the time I did ya know the interview 6 but then at the end I think it was supposed to be 7 but maybe it was 7 episodes when I started and then it was 6 ya know when I did the Wall Street interview, wait, ya know, not that interview maybe the other interview.." I'm out
The fake stuff literally comes from “media” like Dave and Brian. The word you’re looking for gentlemen, is fixed. Fake wouldn’t eat up a body the way the business does. You’re where this change could start. As a former wrestler I was never bothered by the word fixed, fake always bothered me.
People need to just stop being sensitive about the word because “fixed” isn’t the right word either. Fixed implies that only the ending is a work but all the moves and holds are real which obviously isn’t the case. Yes there’s a lot that is to some degree but there also a great deal that is strictly performative.
@@thylocene0606 let me know which injuries you’ve incurred wrestling? Let me know when you were training, which moves hurt the most. I’ll wait….
@@DukeDurrango Exactly zero which doesn't matter. Ive been a fan for almost 40 years. Not some schmuck trying to undermine what you or other wrestlers put themselves through. Stunt workers in movies literally fall off buildings and get hit by cars but you never see them complaining about their work being called fake. The attitude toward the word comes 1 from kayfabe and 2 from a legitimate issue of media tending to look down on the sport. It's time to let that shit go though. Kayfabe is dead and buried and who gives a toss about the media when wrestling is bigger than it's ever been. Yea slams hurt. Yea some of the stuff wrestlers do is dangerous. But when two wrestlers step into a ring their goal is to put on a show and keep each other safe, not injure each other.
I wish Vince McMahon was my father.. I love and respect this man so much
Nobodies laughing
You tried.
He hates Shane but he’d hate you more
Edrones creamed for this update
What about the AEW shills?
When you keep going back for more, you are a participant, not a victim.
Jesus can we stop rambling rabbit over here from talking endlessly? I feel like Brian threw it to Dave and then went and took a shit for 20 minutes.
Meltzer looks like a hungover werewolf today.
He's more north east america dracula to me
Dave meltzer made a career out of trying to destroy Vince, He should thank him for just about everything he's got.
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This chick signed a contract, AND got paid for it, and still claims she is the victim.
Jesus Christ people...
It's okay, you don't understand what financial coercion and abuse of power is. Maybe you'll find out if you watch the world long enough.
She actually DIDN'T get paid
People skip that because they hate vince
@@paulflewitt5599 abuse of what power of course she gone say that to make him look bad
@@dna6 yes she did she just didn't get all you don't remember ?
I love how Dave apparently knows and talks to many people working on the doc but knows nothing
Constant maybes and might happens😂
For whatever you wanna say about Vince. Why would you assume the media is honest and objective?
WWE LIFE LESSON
RACISM WINS
Janel is so full of it
Vince belongs in a cell
@@Corzza025 have you ever had a girlfriend
@rubberchix stop tryna bait it's obvious
@@Corzza025 she belongs in a pysch ward
@@rubberchixOH DAMN DUDE YOU GOT HIM!!!
FREE VKM 😊! HE DID NOTHING COMPARED TO DIDDY ...REPULSIVE .
Um…Vince is currently a free man. What you talking about?
It was an affair. This woman only filed the suit after Vince didn't pay his second payment.
Umm, no. All this stuff happened, and she signed an NDA with regular hush money payments. The payments stopped so she filed. How anyone can look at the evidence in front of them and say ‘it was an affair’ is beyond me.
“Catholic guy”, says it all
@@crunchinjellyLet me first say none of us know if it's true or not, now if this woman was trafficked and was in this insane situation that she didn't want to be in why did she not end the relationship? Why did she at end presuming she grew strong and decided she needed to stand up why did she accept payment and not get Vince arrested? Why was she living allowing Vince to pay for her lifestyle, if she was so scared why did she allow him to pay her rent etc letting him know exactly where she was it's all bit to familiar with alot of guys who have had a crazy ex, obviously this version is exaggerated accusations but there are alot of red flags from both accuser and defendant, it's really unprofessional the way thee's so called wrestling media guys just talk like Vince did it and want us to believe he did, mostly they just want to pretend to care so they don't turn viewers off guys like sapp so transparent way they agree and disagree with whichever opinion is popular, dave and rest of thee's guys need to remember Vince has right to fair trial without bias if this case goes to court all thees talking heads making harder to get fair trial and could end up hurting victims chance for speedy outcome there will be legal pressure from vince team to make sure jury hasn't heard the reports but they don't care lol it's all about there content which is fine but don't pretend to care about Janel grant, let thees 2 parties have fair trial and then if guilty condemn until then stfu media.
@jordshuttlewood cope hard
@@crunchinjellyyou proving the point that shes full of shit. WWE has a policy that employees not supposed to screw around thats why he put a NDA out duhhh. It's not good for the boss to fuck around with employees and she definitely was a side chick
Janel Grant is a liar out for money
Vince did nothing wrong!!!
Piss off
Yeah Yeah F All That Son! Where is that AEW tv deal you been LYING ABOUT SON????
DAVE AEW FANBOY DETECTED🫵 😂😂🫵