Jon Venables - What went wrong?
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- BBC documentary aired after Jon Venables, one of the two murderers of 2-year-old James Bulger in 1993, was re-incarcerated in 2010 for downloading and sharing child pornography on the Internet. In June 2011, Venables was denied parole for another year.
On July 4th 2013, the parole board granted Venables parole. He was released from prison on September 3rd 2013.
I uploaded this because the first upload by some other guy (sorry, mate, I forgot your name) of this documentary was split up and in a skewed format. This upload happens strictly for the benefit of people seeking knowledge. I hope this is not a violation of copyrights in any way. I am not in possession of the video in 480p or any other greater resolution. 360 is as good as it gets from me, I'm afraid.
SO FAR I have enabled comments, and a good, serious debate (without the use of personal abuse and bad language) is always a good thing. However, if this turns into yet another array of messages speaking of hatred and revenge, I will delete all comments and disable them in the future. I do not want this to be yet another forum for vindictive people.
R.I.P. James Bulger and my most sincere condolences to Denise and Ralph Bulger.
2 years for child pornography after being convicted for murder of a child before is fucking ridiculous
Maybe the government that gave him two years was also involved in a porn ring think about it. Maybe they didn't want to let the cat out if the bag. Just lock him up for 25 years and throw away the key
Yet you get 5 years for unmasking him. Makes sense, right?
@@greenalien3857 what is it
@@offizenit's been changed again recently, I've photos of the two of them
@@NeilJohnson-v3tdoubt it why lie
I came from a violent home I’ve suffered abuse most people can never understand my parents are divorced I was bullied at school I was beaten and bullied by my brothers I’ve never hurt anyone and I’m not a killer I’ve raised 6 children 4 of my own and two adopted you are not your background you can raise above it
Valentine spoken by a true survivor well said valentine
Thankfully you had protective factors, whatever they may have been. Social and emotional intelligence play a large part but also gender. The majority of abused girls internalise their experience and are more likely to hurt themselves than others. With boys it's usually externalised and they are more likely to hurt others. It's not a coincidence that there is a history of abuse in the backgrounds of the majority of children and adults who kill.
Yes truth but not all have your strength
Love and light and blessings to you x😘😘
Celtic Crystal yes it does. Google ‘brain scan of a child that’s been nurtured properly vs a child that’s been abused and neglected“ and you’ll see a physical difference in the way that their brains have developed. How can a 10 year old child display positive behaviour if they’ve never been exposed to positive behaviour? They’re not superhuman. They can only replicate behaviour that they’ve witnessed, which, as we know, for Thompson & Venables, was abusive.
Considering the state poor Jamie was left in I hate to think how traumatised the Children who found him must have been, I have never seen this mentioned in any documentaries though and I feel they are a forgotten victim of this atrocity.
Well Said
The other totally ignored victims are those in the films of their torture and abuse that were found on his computer. It is not a victimless crime! And he's not alone, it's huge!! Every country has children being abused for the satisfaction of men. The numbers are so enormous I wonder really if there are any men who can be trusted to have not been part of this. There's no victory for all the people triumphantly saying ' we told you so ' There are just far too many children struggling in families with drink, drugs, violence and neglect. If we can't treat those children as victims themselves when some of them go truly off the rails I think the world is an even sadder place for children. At least we tried. One succeeded the other didn't. We learn what we can from this and move on. This endless witch hunt is really unhealthy and if you aren't personally involved I can't help but wonder why some people have become so obsessed. His family are the ones with that right, and they need love and support to try to come to terms with something they can never undo. All the rage in the world won't help with that ❤️
@@LuciThomasHardylover-qx6ts I think his continued releases after maintaining a pattern of Child abuse is in the public interest at this stage, hes too dangerous and a ticking time bomb.
Plus how he gets a totally new identity and life each time hes released is disgusting for the taxpayer, but no Child will ever be safe near him.
It was never released as it was too brutal. Poor kid
My exact thoughts! People forget that it was literial children that found the body
Not all adults can be rehabilitated, not all children can be rehabilitated. Jon Venables is the living proof.
i absolutely agree. Rehabilitaion can't be viewed as a cross the board agenda. The lady in the documentary painted a picture of waving a magic wand and presto rehabilitation. She did so because her agenda was getting funds. Their incarceration was a joke. It was more like Camp UK.
Exactly
How is his identity still a secret when it was only granted anonymity if he remained out of trouble wtf how is he allowed to be in close proximity to children without the public knowing his face and identity
@Viking Excavating Savage
You arguably can't rehabilitate a person who knows that every human on the planet sees them as scum, humans need a loving reflection, this is not saying he deserves this, it is just a fact. If tomorrow the entire world started reacting and treating you like a monster, you would turn into one, again this is not saying I think he should be treated any differently, I'm just stating a fact.
People who are saying "the mother should forgive them" clearly haven't imagined if they were in that mother's shoes. They took her child away from her.
I am a Mother and personally I would have liked to poke their eyes out.
The mother can't forgive. I wouldn't either in her shoes.
No mother would forgive ❤
Notice tho no ones even hurd about robert since the day they went down not even a photo x
I am a mother who was also brutalised has a child caned at school etc I used to get beaten of older children too, however if we can say a child is guilty and knows right from wrong at age 10 your actually saying then that children of that age are consenting to be in the adult world when I hear all the hatred at these boys and the fact they changed the law within 9 months from arrest to verdict the law changed was a child abusers free ticket to groom children why do you think we had the grooming gangs etc there is always a positive and negative no winners in crime except those who get protected
You cannot rehabilitate a violent sex offender.
You're 💯 right.. That's WHO they are.. not just something they do that can be "fixed".
@@lenxiabuda8338Robert Thompson has,from his supervision reports, gone on to lead a peaceful normal life.
Do you see this as rehabilitation success. Or do you believe he was lead by Venables.
@@juicylouisey If we KNEW it was true then perhaps.. But to me all that report just proves he's not got caught, not that he's not done anything.I don't know them personally to give an opinion on if he's changed. He was just a child wen that happened but der was obviously sumtin wrong in der psychy for that to happen in the 1st place.. Aha to me, those ppl don't change
Is that your professional opinion?
My guess is not.
Every offender can potentially be rehabilitated, more so with children. Certain individuals aren't as easy or can't be.
@@Michelle_Schu-blacka And your professional opinion is....??
RIP James Bulger. Gone but never forgotten.
And Derrick Robie too!
Yes
He threatened to beat a staff members baby to death after he had beaten a baby to death. Yep really sounds like he had been rehabilitated, NOT
He was a cruel sick bastard the both of them were and still are
Let him out in Liverpool and tell the people where he is. He will soon be gone.
@@sheesh-y9e Robert isn't a sick bastard still so shut up wanker
@@amandae8437 stfu
@@youreandyourarentthesamewo6939 No.
8 years is absolutely disgraceful.
It's an insult to James's memory.
some sympathies in higher places
An adult crime should result in adult time.
Should have been sentenced to governors pleasure. Come up for
Parole the attorney General stamps
Denied, simple.
@@npelhamrg o
Poor James
Rest in peace sweet child
Wonder Woman you and Albert shut you’re filthy little mouths!
Show some respect
Wonder Woman wow you are in need for an education.
Wonder Woman don’t say stupid shit like that then!
Wonder Woman if someone writes a heart felt msg, like what you commented on..
Do you really think is appropriate to say.. make a time machine and go back and save him...
Grow the fuck up.. get an education.. and shut the fuck up.. troll
Wonder Woman I hear you can get a government grant. To get an education.. you should make an appointment for Tuesday
I still can't get my head round the fact people think these kids could be rehabilitated. When you purposely go out on the hunt for a baby to torture there's no going back. They had a route planned, they were stopped by a stranger and they lied and said James was their brother, they took him to a place they knew they wouldn't be seen, they made the baby eat mud and debris, they chucked bricks and stones at his head, they beat him with iron bars, they pushed used batteries up his rectum, his foreskin had a tear, they emptied cans of paint on him..... I won't carry on.....
These boys were mentally fucked, I don't know a insane adult capable of causing those sort of injuries on a baby let alone a 10 year old child. When something is that broken it needs the dustbin and the fact Jon went on to use child porn just sums up how beyond help this pair are
Loving Narrowboat
The problem is too many do-gooders take these kids on as a personal project, an ego stroking experiment. You see it all the time, they hear about some groundbreaking treatment from the US or some liberalised European country and think it can be applied to every case. When psychopaths start their journey it normally begins at the age of 8-12 with tormenting/abusing animals or siblings. The stark difference here is this pair went straight in. This was a premeditated act, it was planned and we know that because of the failed abduction earlier in the day on another child. I'm no expert but that alone flags up so many warning signals and I'm sorry you can't blame their upbringing on that level of mental and empathetic depersonalization. These animals should have been locked in a youth prison until they came of age then moved into the adult system. What worries me the most is they were given new IDs to protect them but their anonymity puts the rest of the general population in grave danger. The UK really needs to take a long hard look at cases like these and act accordingly and correctly
SonLou UK I remember this being in the news when I was younger, I remember the film Chucky being band. I still can't believe it when I watch this Doc. They did seem to miss out the sexual assault in the doc, why as that would of made it even worse they were release. American justice system in this case would of been better for the poor mother. They would still be locked up and most prob never released!
Shocking 😪
SonLou UK also the cruelty to animals is significant as Fred west also butchered animals at a very young age
SonLou UK Completly agree. There is no chance in hell that they will even have a normal life. Neither them don't deserve rehabilitation because u know what they don't appreciate it. Evil is not even the word to describe what they did to that innocent child and it just shows how he was charged a second time that he will never change
SonLou UK I have only just watched this but have been aware of this most heinous of crimes since it happened. Regarding your comment about the believers of rehabilitation, I agree with you completely and add that this kind of evil has no cure and these do gooders need to face up to the reality that there are people in this world that you will never find anything good in them and with the most profound notion that they did and successfully fixed them I really don't imagine that anyone could live with the reality of their past actions. In the knowledge that one of them has managed to make the headlines with his depravity despite the intervention of all the agencies that oversee his well being and the fortunes spent on his new identity and integration into society as an adult do they still hold the same ideology of us all being good deep inside or do they hold their hands up and as the majority of us think 'Fuck it,let him rot'.
As for their human rights, they have to qualify as human first.
What went wrong??? I'll tell you what went wrong... You let them out after 8 years in a children's home with the best care and education possible. No time in an adult prison and no punishment for one of the most gruesome crimes against a child who was 2 years old. The only saving grace might be that they're looking over they're shoulders not knowing if anyone has identified them. Venables is an absolute monster who should never see the light of day again a definite danger to society. R.I.P baby James
Absolutely right there.
Ones done nowt wrong since his release.
Rehabilitation is the goal. Look at the stats for thise who DON'T reoffend to see if prisons are actually the answer.
@@chellesama8256 however in Venables case, you can't rehabilitate evil. He's a lost cause
You do have to keep in mind they were literal children at the time whatever went mentally wrong at that age should be easier to correct than a full grown adult, the other child growing up and not reoffending is proof of that
That image of little James on the CCTV in the shopping centre getting taken away haunts me to this day. Poor little boy. My heart still breaks for this family. 😢
I can't believe there was such a thorough CCTV network +30 years ago!
Only banks, airports, and such had them when I was growing up
It will always haunt me too my friend. I remember seeing the cctv footage and thought what if that was son who was actually the same age as James at that time. R.I.P
And the children who found james all have been affected and one is dead before his years,.also the coppers imagine being calm in those circumstances
Every time I'm reminded of this story my heart breaks for the poor infant that suffered at the hands of these two monsters.
Same here. It makes me really angry that they only did 8 years and one of them just repeatedly reoffends and going back to prison and the do gooders keep wanting to free him. It's ridiculous. Neither of them should have been released after what they did. They are sick. They should both have 'whole life' tariffs, and them being 10 at the time shouldn't even matter. James was a toddler and his life was taken in such a horrifically brutal and sick way and justice for James and his family should come before the lives and freedom of the despicable two that humiliated, violated and took little James' life.
Jon Venables - What went wrong? Answer--- He was born.
Whats that supposed to mean
@@jamiefazbearjunior8385he means that unfortunately he was born. And we say unfortunately because he is a bloody killer, a monster, a raper and pedophile who is impossible to rehabilitate he's a truly danger to kids and society.
You're an asshole to ask what does it mean.
@@jamiefazbearjunior8385 he means that a monster that will never rehabilitated was born.
Learn shit
@@jamiefazbearjunior8385exactly what it says
That is a very negative no wonder he cannot rehabilitate with people like you in this world he isn’t Myra Hindley he was a child if anything you should not like Thompson he hated his baby brother they were children please remember that
This still makes me cry...I'll never forget this case, it's stayed with me all these years, it randomly pops into my head and I *still* can't believe it actually happened.
I was 13 when James was murdered, I'm 37 now, and it still makes no sense.
Those boys very deliberately took James, for the express purpose of torturing and murdering him - they'd already practiced on another small child, but they didn't go through with it...and for the life of me, I'll never understand why.
I was nineteen at the time bloody awful 😮
Both the boys were horrendously neglected and came from homes where abuse really means abuse. The damage done to them was likely what spurred on the actions they took with little James Bulmer and what they did was probably a kind of reenactment of what had happened to them but it got out of control because they were too young to handle their emotions and that led to the killing. A 10 year old girl strangled a 6 month old in the USA last week! Children must be supervised so that they are protected from themselves.
I don't remember reading anything about them practicing on another child
But, yes, the whole nation was shocked at the time. There's not a person over the age of 35 that doesn't know those names.
It's still heartbreaking after all this time
@@elizabethshannon24 my son Jamie was around the same age at the time. It breaks my heart thinking about James’ last moments and his Mothers awful realisation that she’s not getting him back totally horrendous. I still think they should never have got out, if you can commit such a despicable act at 10 what else can you do when you’re older.
Did u cry every time?
Now Venables is trying to get out of prison again. He’s consistently proven he’s not safe to have in society
Only November will tell.. hopefully he’ll be denied parole
@@xragdoll5662 parole were denied. That makes me so Happy I hope that piece of ...... stay there forever.
I believe he was.
True
The question is ridiculous. What went wrong?? He was never punished for murdering a baby in the most horrific way imaginable. He should have gone straight to adult prison on his 18th birthday and spent the rest of his life there. SOME children can be rehabilitated but what they did has to be taken into account. This boy did something so inhumanely disgusting that there is simply no coming back. That sweet innocent little boy and his heartbroken mother deserved SO MUCH better.
Something you can’t believed happened but did.
fucking heartbreaking god bless james he must of been terrified poor little love
Kelly Jones I know, poor little kid, fuckin brutal.
he was such a adorable kid aswell R.I.P james
The pain etched on Denies's face breaks my heart. Love to all his family, what a terrible thing to have to deal with. Rest in peace little James, you will never be forgotten
Qwwwwwww
This is forever in my heart ❤. God Bless James, Denise and all his family. To this day I cannot read about this horrific crime, not fully. He is so loved.❤❤❤❤❤❤
Eric Smith was released at age 42 in Feb 2022, after 27 years in prison. He’d actually wanted to return to the small village where he’d killed four-year old Derrick Robbie, if you can believe that. Even if he didn’t have the strikingly unique physical features he has, anyone moving into a town with just 800 residents would be noticed and spark curiosity. Thankfully, the parole board didn’t approve it, so he ended up in a completely different part of the state. It really boggles my mind he thought he could return and make a go of it.
I was just going to comment this! I’m disgusted they let him out.
Hoping they don't let that Paris kid out. Even his mother doesn't want him out. He killed his little sister. His exuse was he wanted to get back at his mum for having a drug relapse. But I don't buy it. Maybe that's part of it.
I wonder if he saw the James Bulger case and became inspired by it.
and i pity the mother of the kid...nothing hurts more than seeing the murderers of your child still alive and allowed to roam the streets committing crimes after they had been caught and released..
+lyhthegreat it may really depend on the situation, here in Belgium a couple recently said they held no hard feelings against the car's driver that killed their son in a driver's accident, none of them had been drinking or doing drugs , it was bad luck ..... personally I can not imagine myself in their position,
+TheDoomWaffles Big difference.
+TheDoomWaffles This is the torture and murder of a 2 year old, no accident and never forgiveness.
I live in Seattle, Washington (US) and there was a man here arrested for 48 counts of aggravated murder in the first degree, eventually confessing to over 90 victims. One man had the chance to give his final word to the killer (Danny Ridgway) and although most people were upset, the man still forgave him. Now I'm not saying that forgiveness should come easily or anything, i'm just trying to provide a situation that is more relevant than a car accident.
EmeraldCity Yes, if you don't learn to forgive, you stay a victim.
You do adult crime, you do adult time. Should of been in there for longer.
What's an adult crime?
I wanted to protect them as children... how does wanting to protect children make me the same as a murderer of children?!?!
purplesnails22 Are you for real? If you don't know the answer to that you have a problem.
But a quick pointer is something along the lines of taking a two year old child from his mother, terrorising him, torturing him and killing him in a very brutal manner like throwing bricks at him until he died. I would be fuming if that was my cat they coped hold of. . The sentence would have been more appropriate for what these creatures did.
Evil is evil even if it's pint sized.
Na I'm not the one with the murder fantasies. Also, what is evil? And are children just "pint sized" adults?
Wonder Woman the law doesn’t agree.
I was pregnant with my son when this happened. My heart broke so much for his mum. We sometimes have to admit that some can never be rehabilitated and need to be moved out of society
I was younger than James Bulger when this happened and my mum was afraid that something bad would happen to me after she saw what happened to James Bulger on the news. We lived in Liverpool at the time.
Those children were pure evil. At that age they knew right from wrong, I am 11 and I would never ever dream of doing anything like that
Epicsurvivor21 it is english
U sound like you were raised a good boy
So you accept that how a child is raised impacts on their moral understanding?
Why the hell is an 11 year old online. Seriously kid put down the computer and just be a kid.
Mark... this isn't unusual.
Awful, and what makes it worse is “professionals” treating venebles like the victim 🤬 stand up for what is right and punish him properly!
Yeaa! I hate this
It's the UK for ya
Psychopaths cannot be rehabilitated they are born without empathy and when it shows it’s ugliness at a early age there is no hope and society needs to be protected
Not true. Remember the girl? She was asked questions about hurting her brother ? She wanted him dead. Look her up today
The mug shot of Venables makes me shiver every time! There's something in his eyes ... that child has just seen too much for his age! He has an innocent looking face ... but behind it is an almost unspeakable evil. It's scary to think about it...
Yes lost for words.
I think this is ridiculous. They were only held until aged 18, but people like Joshua Phillips and Eric Smith who also killed other children at age 13 and 14, will be in jail for the rest of their lives.
Kae Rae it's not the same country lad
In england we let scumbags go free after a few years our prisons are like holiday camps. British justice is a joke
Kae Hiddleston That’s because America is much more fitting in the way that they punish people, we’re a fucking joke!!
Because 10 year old are only starting to develop a sense of empathy and what's right and wrong. 14 year olds are fully conscious of the severity of their actions. The severity of a punishment can't be the same for the different ages, because 10 year olds are not accountable for a majority of their actions, especially violent ones. Often it is a result of severly neglecful upbringing or trauma at a young age. If you watch several of these videos you'll realise that their families were completely disfunctional, that the people who were supposed to care for them were in reality alcoholics and addicts and that the two children had a very limited support system.
Lizzy Pelosof I am sick of people sticking up for them, whether or not they have no sense of empathy - bullshit bullshit bullshit- at 10 then they abducted, battered, tortured, sexually abused and murdered a fucking 2 year old!!! Then left him on train tracks to be cut in half!!!!!!
They should have been put in prison for life.
The sentence was too lienant.
James's family haven't had justice, for beautiful James ❤
They were jailed for life but with short tariffs because of their ages. It means they can be recalled to prison on licence at any point in their lives if they break the conditions of their licence. I think the Moj are exercising that right with Venables now and rightly so. Recall to prison conditions are very complex.
@katemcalear8591 The fact that they were taken out of the secure unit, under supervision to go on shopping trips places of nature.
James hasn't been gifted, those rights of passage
@@emmaransford Totally agree the sentence was too lienant should of been given a life sentence.
@@emmaransford And he should of been sent to Prison not a young offenders.
Evil is evil, regardless of your upbringing. There have been kids who've grown up in far worse circumstances and are great people. There are kids who grew up with a perfect family and they've killed simply because they wanted too. People like this don't deserve rehabilitation. The risk of an innocent persons life should outweigh the killers chance for rehabilitation. It's our responsibility as adults to ensure the safety and protection of any innocent person. Killers don't deserve that chance, to ensure the protection of the innocent.
So you believe society should write off 10 year olds? I'm not excusing their awful behaviour, but they were 10. Life expectancy is about 80, yet you believe that someone with only 10 years of experience living should just be thrown away.
@@odd_shoesYES!!!
James didn’t get a chance at life because of them so why should they??
Venables went on to re offend and that’s blood on YOUR hands.
I don't believe you can rehabilitate anyone, child nor adult, who kidnapped a very young child, took him to train tracks, severely beat him and injured him and put him on the train tracks. There's no way someone who has done that should ever be out in society. I don't care these boys were only around age 10. They knew what they were doing.
What went wrong? That he was released in 2001 instead of being transferred to an adult prison to serve his life sentence literally.
Not so,the other convict has never reoffended.He has proven unsafe for reæease however since.
Kids differ from adults in one major way. Adults kill for many reasons. These kids killed because they wanted to, kids do things that they enjoy, and they enjoyed themselves that day. How the authorities missed this clue to their psychological twisted minds is beyond me. Someone will find out who they are, and they will be killed. Karma
Adults kill for many reasons? Wtf? Are you making some sort of excuse?
Guy Incognito Making excuses?? Where did you see them making an excuse for murder...the comment was simply stating that these boys killed for fun. It wasn't for revenge or money ect. It was for fun. Which is pretty damn twisted.
Freaks me out that he was given a new identity. Nobody who is in contact with him is safe. It's only a matter of time until the authorities will have to admit that (again) and give a speel about "learning from their mistakes". The same goes for the other little freak. I didn't have any empathy for both of them back now and I certainly don't have any now. That one here was already caught with indecent images of children on his computer. That says it all. He should been given a life sentence for that alone.
They now get spoken about having gleaming results in their exams. As if they're trying to let us know that their evil created some geniuses. I don't give a shit, quite frankly. For all we know, they may have robbed the planet of an amazing man.
I find it highly irresponsible and unfair that whoever employs them or socialises with them doesn't know what it actually is they are allowing be around themselves.
more porridge for this animal why not just keep him inside
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more porridge for this animal why not just keep him inside
even Norman bates hates them!!!
Exactly ."protect them from public attacks of revenge " yeah but like thats so hypocrytical .Youa r eprotecting those vile two but while doing that exposing everyone to danger
it is disgusting what they've done but in the case of thompson i disagree with your view he faced abuse growing up, a disfunctional family with a leaving father and a suicidal drunk mother and even stated himself that venables was responsible for most of the acts, there's many statements from officers that thompson has shown considerable improvements going on to get multiple GCSEs (education generally relates to reform, him being smarter also means he most likely is a better person) a job, a life and a relationship, my point here is that people are easily affected by their environment and others surrounding them (such as thompson) and people (such as thompson) can change with the right help and we cannot judge those for their past actions forever (venables however is a pedophilic monster who deserves the death penalty for his repeated actions up to this day)
I find your other point arguable as well, we should lock up all people who have committed highly questionable crimes forever even if they show improvement and when they eventually do come out they don't deserve any contact with people, job or form of payment to allow them to have a life? This is a really bad stereotype employed by many that ex-convicts will just keep repeating crime and it negatively affects many people who look back with regret on their past actions in life as they are unable to show how they have changed (except venables he's an idiot)
I completely agree with you that the murder of the young boy was unacceptable at the time and still is a grievous action to this day and what they did was awful but in no way should they be forced forever when he has shown considerable change in all aspects that you dont seem to acknowledge at all, those who repeat these actions even after help are shown to have not learn and therefore deserve what you have stated (venables) I do understand your point of view
Today in the news (14/12/23) Venables was denied parole again where he then went violently berserk at the parole board!!! Some cannot be rehabilitated and I’m so glad the board made the right decision!
My sympathies to Denise and Ralph Bulger and their family and all those close to James. They only had two short years with the little baby boy.
I'll never understand how and why Jon and Robert get to the decision to kill James. I know things must have happened to them to set them on the track to illegal activities, but they were so young themselves.
How could a pair of ten year old children come to murdering a two year old baby?
What a sad situation for everyone. I'll never be able to understand the mindset of murderers, especially those who kill people who can't help themselves.
R.I.P. James Bulger.
Horrible for the Bulger family but the public were a bit out of order for calling the two 10-year-olds bastards.
The public outcry caused Jon Venables and Robert Thompson to be given new identities.
George Wallace please dont give me that crap......10 years old or not they are vermin and should have been drowned in a bucket of piss from day dot and saved everybodys time an money and then proper justice will have been served somewhat...atleast better than it has been now where there looked after one of them and its ok if someone knows who they are cuz taxpayers will just stump up about £50,000 each time i need a new name what a fuckin joke!!!!
Jeannette Dahlia-Harvey Whats even scarier is they’d tried to abduct another child that day, the original plan was to push a child under a bus. They set out to murder that day. At 10 years old it’s just pure evil running through the veins of those 2 monsters.
adrasdea agree! James and a innocent man are death now.
Where is the outcry for the innocent man who died?
Hunted down because people will circulate pics bc people want kids save. But now man in 30 are not save either!
The man hunted down, killed himself evt. Leaving behind his kids and fam..
Where is the outcry for that?
I remember when my sister brought home her baby boy. There was something in his eyes that was dark and he was only ten days old. As a child he spit at other children and threw rocks at them. He used to put tacks on the staircase of the house so his older sisters would have them stuck in their feet when they came downstairs from their bedroom. Any small pet in the neighbourhood was not safe if he got ahold of it - there were numerous corpses in his sandbox located in the back yard. He was a misfit and a failure at school. At age 14 he was out of the school system, they could not cope with his behaviours. He wet his bed until about age 14. My sister and her husband did nothing about his behaviour which was dark, dangerous and anti-social. He could not sleep and would roam the city at all hours of the night. He died at age 40 through an over dose of pills and alcohol. He was born this way. No amount of therapy or rehabilitation would have changed his behaviour. I often wonder if there are unsolved homicides in the city where he lived - he was capable of anything. Evil comes in all ages.
Wow this is crazy. Very honest of you. It just shows no matter the parents no matter the therapy. If they’re born with their brains wired up differently then that can never change it’s an incurable illness
The absolutely horrific things they did to that baby boy just wreck me. No one capable of that can be meaningfully rehabilitated. Rest easy, sweet baby James. You did not deserve such pain and cruelty. 💞I only hope your mother can find some peace somehow.
It honestly breaks me hearing about it couldn’t imagine the baby’s poor family
They have never released all the details of the injuries as they were too horrific!
always remember James Patrick Bulger
It's scary that kids could do that.
Here we go again. He'll be out again within two years, unbelievable
Wtf? That prison looks better than my primary school...
OMG haha
Mr. Tin You have a shitty school then.
Yep and we all pay for that!!
No need for anything but stone walls broth and water!!
@@beckieeldridge9789 Fuck off with your dumb conservative talking points
@Lucy-Anna What? Did you read her comment? "No need for anything but stone walls, broth, and water." I'm sure they were exaggerating, but prisons an awful place, some people try to kill themselves.
"Our prison system is designed to rehabilitate where as it should be designed to punish" - Winston Churchill
lenny harry looking at your channel your a religious vegan 😂 how's that going for you
Mike StepZ i also think it’s important to rehabilitate so the prisioners are released they dont relapse
I dot think our prisons rehabilitate its basically boarding school for criminals to become better criminals
They should do both punishment and rehabilitation
+UnBoUnD cLAN In my opinion, both are wrong. It should be designed to PROTECT. To be sure the offenders can't hurt anyone again. I really don't understand how so many people focus on punishment, revenge, or "rehabilitation" (wtf does that mean anyway? How can you "rehabilitate" someone who was anti-social in the first place?)
What about focussing on protecting society? There are devices like electronic bracelets, for exemple, why shouldn't somebody who commited a crime have the right to run around anonymously, since nobody can be sure he won't do it again? Wouldn't it be way cheaper? Of course, after they served their sentence...
Why not systematically supervise them 24/24, 7/7?
I'll tell you what went wrong.....the bastard was born
So was Tony Blair but he is respected!
Lmao, yep
So, due to their new indentures, they got girlfriends who had no idea what they were. What if he had a baby with one of them?!
daninz77 scary thought😥
One did
i think Robert came out gay.
If either of them get into a relationship then I think they have to tell the other person about their past.
Robert had a kid with a girl....he does see the kid......and they haven't to tell ANYONE no matter if it's the mother of their child. To this day tompsons ex doesn't know......whefe as venebles just keeps opening his mouth like he is proud of it.......sick bastard.....and 2017 and he's back in jail.....AGAIN.....just keep the bastard there til he dies cause one day he will kill again xx
They wouldn't be bloody alive if they had killed my son, that's for sure.
+Puppy 1975
Come on then mate
hahaj internetwarrior fucktard
+Andrew CruseTV
maul
+rockgamer 3000 Mate, much as I agree 1000% with you, I don't think it's the real Venables. Just some sad inadequate looking for some attention.
+rockgamer 3000 Sure. I live in Thailand and only this week a 12 year old boy pushed two 11 year old girls off a pier into the water and laughed while they drowned. It's a sick world.
those who are arguing for his anonymity would not let their child be near 100 km of these monsters. They should have got 100 years in prison minimum.
Adults who commit murder don't get 100 year sentences,they might get life with the possibility of parole after a certain number of years,so to expect a court to sentence two 10 year old boys to prison for a 100 years is frankly ridiculous and before anyone says anything,yes I agree 8 years was far too short,they should have done at least 5 years in an adult prison.
I couldn't even get through the first 7 minutes. As soon as the injuries that were inflicted to the poor 2 year old boy was described, my heart broke. I cannot. God, I can't believe someone can ever do something so absolutely horrible to a little 2 year old.
Rip James :(
@@jonvenables818 Stop being horrible..ur not him..
@@margueritemazzeo2904 You never know he was using social media with his old name.
If it were him he would use an upto date photo, if curious there’s plenty adult photos of him on Google images as a grown up. Still got the sleekit eyes and smirk, his changed name was Luke shaw……til he boasted to someone who he was and the inmates found out! No idea what his ‘new’ million pound to taxpayers identity is though, since he’s had 3 new identities.
They have never released all the horrendous injuries that were inflicted on the poor lad. They were too horrendous.
I remember hearing this story from America when I was a child and it made my blood curl. I'm the same age as Thompson and Venables and knew many bullies growing up and even the worst ones at my school would never even consider doing what these boys have done. Anyone who commit such a heinous crime can't be human but a demon with a human's face.
My parents split up and my mum had depression, I wouldn't hurt a fly! Their parent's clearly failed but don't keep saying split parents etc means that the kids won't amount to anything. These boys should have been locked up in adult prison for life at minimum. Clearly a threat to society.
Hannah Baxter 100% agree I’m a single parent too
It may depend on how parents split up. If it i s a hostile acrimonious split then this may have an effect on the child. The psychologist Rutter findings appeared to confirm this
Black Jesus yes I know, I am older than them and remember the story from the time. I'm unsure what the point of your comment was.
Well u wouldn’t know because your a girl and a young lad needs a father figure. My mum and dad split up too and it’s hard. I’m just saying that people are not born evil and there must have been something to make him like that. Probably his life at home with no dad and his constant attack on bullying. I know that it was outrageous what he did and he does deserve to be locked up until death
Well locking them up in adult jails does not work either just look at the Krays for instance it costs so many thousand pounds a week to keep one prisoner John obviously did not get the same treatment has Robert different settings different outcome and different staff , I had a 3 month old baby at the time and I felt for all the mothers and the two boys very tragic
There are people who have had worse childhoods than either of these two. And they don't murder small kids.
Wayne Goff
It’s not just their bad childhood which had an influence, it was their psychological issues too
Grace Platt Thank you. How do people still not know these very simple things. Humanity really is doomed. We learn so slowly as a hive mind.
ann nee erm who gives a shit they are fuckin monsters who dont deserve to be understood, bad eggs like these need throwing away
They don't even murder
But still don't kill
He blamed the pressure of being under a false identity causing him to watch CP?? Stress doesn't turn you into a pedophile
I have met one very dark child, I thought of these children when I realized the extent of her darkness. I don't think a child can be rehabilitated after a certain point/age.
Not if they are born psychopathic… that’s how they are wired
What went wrong? Apparently everything.
Anyone ever see Child of Rage? I bet these two boys were abused themselves. The girl in Child of Rage would've killed her own brother if her step parents hadn't intervened. She was savagely raped & abused since she was a toddler & started to take it out on her brother. I'm not excusing their behavior. Just hoping people realize that people are a product of their environment. That the cycle of violence can be broken if teachers, parents learn to see the signs & intervene before they kill someone.
Being a mom myself, my heart breaks for James parents... But my heart also breaks for the parents of the children who committed the murder.
But I don't understand how ANYONE could let their 10year old child do what they want when they want! If you don't parent your kids and teach them as they grow ... Give them to someone who actually wants to raise a child!!!
Murdering an innocent child is nothing to do with upbringing. They are probably wired in a faulty way.
@@AnimalLover-bu6do That’s true because Jon had a stable ish upbringing. If he was just following Rob, why is he now a paedo?
@@AnimalLover-bu6do mary bell was surely affected by terrible upbringing. And her life after being realised was normal (she became a nurse, mother and grandmother)
Rubbish. These two kids were ferral neglected. Blame the parents. If your dog killed a child you would go to jail. They should have gone to jail also.
They were both neglected by their parents, Venebles being the middle child between an older and younger sibling who both had learning difficulties/disabilities and Robert's father being absent while his mother worked all hours to support him and his 5 siblings...they simply were not paid attention to which is how they ended up viewing the content that they did (horror films) and decided killing someone was a good idea
20 years. still a shock. How his killers got to escape any kind of real punishment and got new identities and full protection all paid for by taxpayers. It is beyond me..
I don't think its possible to rehabilitate someone who commits terrible crimes such as this at such a young age. Whatever abuse and molestation that led them to torture and kill a defenseless toddler, goes far too deep and can't be fixed or erased.
When small kids commit murder it's always horrific, partly because it's against other kids, partly because they tend to show no restriction what so ever. They obviously have not been taught empathy by anyone around them, and most likely neglected and abused since birth. If you don't experience proper love and empathy as an infant, it severely fucks up your brain and ability to function as a normal human being.
"Give me a child and I'll shape him into anything." B. F. Skinner
You're right, venebles being caught as a pedo proves your point. i believe the torture and killing of baby James was motivated sexually (sick but happens)
+Jasmine liketheflower Exacto, ellos no se rehabilitaron. Y además, el Estado aún lo sigue protegiendo.
Jasmine liketheflower and after being convicted as a pedo he was released early and given another new identity and place to live! A huge failure of the government trying to save their face because rehabilitation clearly did not work.
That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to rehab them. One grew up to be a pedo and the other was goaded into doing it
Venables will never and cannot be 'rehabilitated'. No child will be safe with him free. Thompson it seems is more capable of controlling himself but i believe he will reoffend at some point when angry or depressed or something. Freeing these two after only 8 years after the horrific things they did to little james was unbelievably stupid. 8 years, what an absolute insult to little james' and his family. Utterly disgusting.
I totally agree with you on this one, I was abused as a kid by different people, my mother was an alcoholic & I was taken to a children's home at a young age & I was never evil or nasty & I'm stable as an adult & what happened to that baby makes my blood boil & it infuriates me when I hear of things like this, people under estimate how evil a child can be regardless of they're upbringing.
What must those kids have seen or been exposed to? what had happened to them in their first 7 years of life? they must have been severely neglected to have no comprehension of love or life. they must have witnessed serious abuse or violence to even think of doing those things. their parents are missing from this story. yes a psychopath can be born but what happens in those first 2 or 3 years is incredibly important.
Check out child of rage "Beth thomas" it shows the after effects of the abuse of a child.
Out of all the murder documentaries I have watched I have to say this one winds me up the most. Not only did they get a lenient sentence in the first place but one of them has re-offended countless times over different crimes. There's a saying that 'a leopard never changes it's spots' and Venables is a prime example of this. He is proud of who he is, he wants everyone to know his identity and has even going as low as to blame the murder on James' mother, showing he has no remorse, so what exactly did the Rehabilitation do? Nothing. A complete waste of time. Why does he keep getting released? For all I know my scouse friend could be Venables or Thompson I wouldn't have a clue. I can kind of understand the reasons for giving them a second chance in the world and a new identity, I never killed anybody at 10 years old but I made mistakes that I regret and so have others, plus they wouldn't have lasted a second back on the street under their legitimate names. But in my opinion I personally know people who have had worse upbringings than these two and have not gone on to kill, I heard rumours there was abuse in Thompson's family but I don't have a scooby about Venables. To be honest I always thought Thompson would have re-offended not long after Venables but who knows? People like that can't change who they are deep inside, they are forced to live with what they've done now and Venables can't deal with it. He gets released, he gets a job, gets a girlfriend, living the life of Riley and then blows it. The guy shouldn't have anymore chances, we wait to see what happens to Thompson but that kid is just as mentally scarred as Venables and will re-offended I can guarantee. Waste of time and waste of money spent on them and the justice system has been made a fool out of by Venables. However we do need to be more like the US in regards to strict sentencing but here's a thought, that Eric Smith who was severely bullied as a child, has shown some sign of remorse for his crime and is still in prison whereas they who were just a couple of ned's in my view are roaming the streets of Britain? Fairness I think not. These things will happen time and time again because this country is soft as clarts, parents are soft with their children, you will be surprised at how intelligent a 10-12 year old can be, some know more than a 15-16 year old. They know what they're doing and they're will never be any justice in this world until people realise this.
+Matthew knox I agree completely. Very well said.
Matthew Knox bbnnķ
Completely agree.
You cannot compare one person with another. You CANNOT say “My friend had a worse upbringing than Venebles and has never kidnapped a baby and killed him on a railway line”. People are INDIVIDUALS not cans of baked beans. That’s why we each have unique DNA. Even identical twins don’t experience the same upbringing the same way.
Well said. Not to mention the cost to the tax payer to keep paying out for this monster to be given another new identity because he can't keep his filthy mouth shut.
Heart breaking sound of a little child’s voice confessing to a murder!!...
@@lorishu48103 She didn't say that..
Makes me sick to my stomach
R.I.P 🖤🖤🖤🖤🖤
had a horrific childhood myself, never had counselling, I 42 now and brought up 2 children on my own, they both just got their degrees in Law. I walk my life on egg shell not to hurt other people. Empathy does mean sympathy. The only thing that, stop me not giving up on myself and my children because of statics were always running around my head, that had wrote us off.
Those boys knew EXACTLY what they were doing. Evil to the core. Both should have gone away for life.
That women, every word is about the perpetrators, none about the victims, they were release too early, it would only happen that way in the UK. I think you'll find as a nation we don't forgive them. We are supposed to feel sorry that they have not been handled with more care when they have cost a fortune to look after.
They will never truly be normal, how could they. Worse still is he went back to Liverpool unnoticed , he revealed himself and then had a shit load of money spent to help him disappear a second time.
It's hard to understand that they tortured and killed a child but never actually went prison, secured unit is not prison.
Uk law is a fucking joke. We get laughed at.
But say something like this happened to the royal family’s children for example. They would still be in jail and never be out.
TheTEAMBUTLER UK law, UK law? What's that then? There's English Law & Scots Law, no UK Law.
If it happens to Royal family they would be killed
TheTEAMBUTLER or a rich persons child
Girl101 That’s bullshit and you know it.
John Kiser
I’m not in the habit of writing bullshit and knowing it
Growing up in the US, there were high profile incidents like the Adam Walsh murder, mothers would often tell their children, not wander away in a store or other public place because "a bad person would take you away forever"! Those "bad people" were often creepy adults, but you'd never think two other kids would try to hurt another kid.
Hailey Shannon mine told me never to talk to strangers, including children. Worked pretty well.
Because of this case, this also happened in the UK. I was the same age as poor James and I remember my parents cracking down on me and yelling at me not to wonder off and “don’t you remember what happened to that poor little boy?!” Tbh kids go missing a LOT more in America. Almost half a million per year and those are actual facts
My condolences to the Bulger family who lost their two-year old son in the hands of two young killers with innocent faces but with greater evil deepened into their hearts. Veneables and Thompson should not have been released from their juvenile homes after their rehabilitation; they should have been sent to adult prison facilities as Eric Smith did. It is quite shocking to see one of them walk out of society free so he could disclose his true identity while committing another crime again.
Thompson has never reoffended (or never got caught reoffending anyway)
Si es raro que no les halla sucedido lo mismo que a Eric Smith
I really think that this was a no-win situation. Institutinalizing a child of 10 for 8 years is not likely to rehabilitate him. But allowing him to go free without consequences is not the answer either. I don't know what it is, but it seems clear to me that a child who commits such a violent act at such a young age is so horribly damaged and disadvantaged that any chance of a normal life would be minimal.
This drives me crazy. Its pure evil. After i was told about what happened in my RE class i have become over protective for my Little Brother. This case truly left a huge scar on me and i am truly disturbed
What went wrong? Him being born is where it went wrong!
Pure evil and should never been allowed to leave prison .
When this happened, my sister was 4 and my mum was 8 months pregnant with me. As a doting mother of 3 and me almost here, this case really got to her. James' poor parents. Nobody can imagine what they went through
Rest In Peace James Bulger. Always missed and always loved. Thompson and Venables didn't get enough. Although they are only children I think they should have been treated the same and got at least 15 years. I am sorry to James' mother and father and family for what has happened. Congratulations for your baby, Michael-James. Rest In Peace James.
On what basis do you think a 10 yr old offender should be treated like an adult? Seems to show a lack of understanding of what a child is and in the concept of rehabilitation. I don't think an adult would ever be released if they did the same thing.
How could their the experts get it so wrong with Venerables . They are supposed to be experts RIP James❤
Just because someone is an expert, it doesn't mean they are always right. Experts cannot predict the future and are not psychic.@@marshnn
after they belted him with poles, still semi-conscious they put rocks on his head and put him on the train tracks where a train rand over him and severed his little body into two pieces. The uncle had to identify the body which was torn to pieces. Early that day these 2 boys wanted to take another kid and push him under the bus to make it look like an accident. Venables was caught in 2010 with videos of little kids being raped (he was 28 years old then hardly a child now). Death seems a just.
I really struggle to understand what goes on in the minds of the parents who raise these horrors.
nothing!
@@Divinemessages69you cannot always blame parents
I know a lady who raised 3 kids. One kid was a nightmare. Defined by antisocial personality disorder traits and diagnosed in the army with this. This mum was absolutely amazing as a parent and she tried so hard. Another family I know also have 3 kids, two are good kids, the third is scary… these parents indulge this kid - they have grown their very own little narcissist, both parents are narcissists and have told him how special he is, never made him apologise, never gave him consequences. But what makes this kid scary is he has exhibited all three elements of the McDonalds criteria (in fact I am even going to throw in sadism given how he killed ducklings, just like the kids in this documentary did). This mum said to me when he set fires she thought he was a young psychopath, he showed many of the elements of conduct disorder in a young child. Mum just buried her head in the sand. This documentary outlines killing ducklings and setting fires, and the kid I am talking about did this too as well as bed wetting, the third element of the McDonalds criteria. Your statement ‘what goes through the parents heads’ makes me wonder this too, but it isn’t always cut and dried. The first Lady I know did everything she could. The first kid (who is now and adult - I knew him many years ago) in question has evened out somewhat, has kids and grandkids now and he tries hard but has been swayed by crime on and off, although not for many years. The other young man I am talking about really frightens me…. He is now dealing drugs and regularly cheats on his girlfriends. He lacks a conscience. He is deeply charming. And his mum knew what he was as a kid… scary…
Well it depends. Thompson's mother had more kids than she could handle. She was an alcoholic and she just brushed it all under the carpet. She cared about him a little maybe but she was selfish. She knew he was out of control but she also knew her kids might be taken off her if the social got involved because of her drinking and she lost one son to Foster care already. Just a disgrace and the dad was no better. He walked out and gave her no help.
The person(s) who let these monsters out should be charged along with them any offences they go on to commit!
I hope that one day those wee bastards' real identities are discovered and they get what they deserve. I was 16 when they murdered poor wee James and still to this day I can't get my head around what they did to him.
"They showed respect to us, so we respected them." WTF kind of self entitlement is that?!? That's not how the world works sweetheart. This young gal is entitled and feels she is OWED respect. Nope! It doesn't work that way! She's the one locked up - she shows respect, earns it and then receives it! And the fact that inmates have play stations, live for free, etc. It's the same as a victim's parent said, "where is the punishment in that"?
Yes, he was so afraid that he relaxed by looking at child porn. He’s just been sent back to prison a second time for possessing child porn. Some people cannot be rehabilitated.
At the time they brutally tortured that tiny innocent little boy , my son was 2 years old . It broke my heart I could not believe it was children that did this unforgivable crime . To give them 8 years letting them back into society when bigger stronger and give them the rest of there lives to be free was totally disgusting . They took all there lives the family of James have endured a life of pain beyond words ! I
never will I forget James RIP .
I think it's disgusting that these monsters are so protected.
DONT LET VENEBLES GET PAROLE 😡😡😡
How is a 10 yr old boy get streetwise?
What's going on at home?
Not making any excuses for them. But what is going on at home?
cody Buckley Thompsons father was a waster
Excellent deep dive beyond knee jerk reactions. Thank you for uploading.
It's obvious what went wrong - these two monsters weren't punished at all - they were sent away for 9 years to a HOLIDAY CAMP. What did the authorities think would happen??? RIP James - YOU DESERVE THE JUSTICE THAT WAS DENIED YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
a secure unit is not a holdiday camp
You're quite sure isn't It?
Wow, was so chilling to hear venables and thompsons voices! 😨😨
Rose Edwards I heard just a regular shitty scouse child voice
Reading Fc 2016/2017 Championship Winners o need to blame the Liverpool accent. Grow up
Shae Bretlin
it's one of the main reasons I love being Texan .... We sentence people to death and actually follow through 😏
Rose Edwards It was actors!! They were protected all the way, like we’d know who they were now by just hearing their voices from 25 years ago!!
Girl101 that's their real voices
Very compelling documentary. It is a tale of two boys. Robert Thompson stayed out of trouble (it would appear) yet Jon Venables just could not be rehabilitated.
TheSuperHarrygeorge we do not know if Thompson has stayed out of trouble just because it’s not been reported doesn’t mean it’s never happened
@@itsme1585 Agreed.
I've watched this a few times and there is not one part of me that believes them two are not a threat to society
+Robert Bones (3) Let's be honest, Thompson and Venables have hardly served a sentence. I read the social worker report who was part of the team 'caring' for Thompson. He showed no remorse, was top dog in his 'cushy' rehabilitation centre (which housed 14 people only), had his own ensuite room, TV, Playstation, etc, taken out for shopping trips and days out, had a monthly allowance to buy his expensive trainers, etc, wanted to get a tattoo but this social worker advised against it (what a shame that was. He could have had 'I killed James' tattooed on his forehead). I also wouldn't be surprised if he was taken on holidays abroad. Boarding school would have been tougher and parents pay to send their children there.
2 years old. It's just heartbreaking. People throw around the word heartbreak like it's nothing sometimes, but this case genuinely breaks my heart.
I remember Richard and Judy talking about this case on This Morning. I was 6, home from school and my parents had it in the tv. I've never forgotten James Bulgers name and never will. It's ingrained in my heart. Rest in peace lovely little boy.
Life for a life. Scum like those murderers should burn in hell.
Venables was the ring leader u can tell straight away he's gone back in to prison and Robert has gone and living he's life
I guess it’s hard to know I googled where they are at now after this and Venables seems the least able to continue with life as normal. Keeps talking about his identity and can’t make friends or get a partner. Perhaps he feels the most guilty and is the most messed up it’s hard to know. He even asked not to be released as he just can’t cope in the real world. But it could mean he was the ring leader it’s rly hard to know.
I thought Thompson, was the ringleader!! But maybe not!! There are children, that have led similar lives, to these two, but dont go on to murder a little boy!!
In 2012 Scott Bradley an innocent man took his life because of accusations of being one of the killers because a man wrote a play about Robert Thomson moving to his village. The poor guy was hounded for months and was pushed to breaking point with false accusations that robbed his children of a father and destroyed a family
Sunny Muffins and the worst thing is he looked nothing like Thompson
what makes me vomit is the fact that if someone found out the identity of either of those rats and released it, then that person would be facing 2 years in jail ... that equates to a quarter of the total time those bastards each served ... so in essence the courts deemed that the murder of that little boy is only worth 6 years more ... BASTARDS !!!
if i had the information or their identities and whereabouts i would consider it and honour and duty in the memory of Jaimie Bulger to disclose it and expose them .. loss of a year liberty to see those bastards beaten to death would be well worth it to me,
Mark Davies you are my type of person we as honest people shall all stand together along with James family
Mark Davies just seen a comment on Thompson that he’s in Australia under the name Dante Arthurs that’s killed a little girl google it I’m not sure what to think but just looked myself 😬
vile little scumbags the two of them, i have always had an affinity with the city of Liverpool and have strong ties there so know what this little boys death did to the place. i believe in karma though and the world isnt so big so i believe deep down that one day someone will pay them back
The courts are run by a satanic network. They don't give a s...
Exactly. The fact that kids can be THAT cruel to other kids THAT young. Something is very wrong and it surfaced.
In the original case of James Bulger, there was a suggestion of a sexual motive-the body was found half naked, and there were suggestions of abuse. None of this is mentioned, or that in very rare cases that children show early signs of aggressive sexual behavior. The simple answer that he was 'under stress' because of his new identity is simply not enough, or that his was disposition was caused by his difficult family background, which many children go through.
And so many thought that Jon can't possibly have been that heavily involved. They all thought that robert must have been the big ringleader, simply because jon seemed weaker, less streetwise, and more emotional. You can't just judge by things like that. I guess such people have learned that the hard way now.
Also Jon was better looking. If you’re good looking, people want to let you off.
From the moment you hear that the system is focused on rehabilitation rather than punishment, you know it's gonna fail
do gooders at it again Social Workers fuck