How to Build a Fence (Like a Carpenter)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2018
- Today we build a fence! This is a fairly standard fence in New Zealand, all rough sawn pine. A giant hedge was recently removed and the muddied ground presented some difficulties.
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We cut most of the stuff on an angel that the water floats away from the timber big hello from Germany used to work in nz for a year. Loved it how u guys framed all the houses so much to do for the carpenters👍
I am fully impressed! It's just a complete th-cam.com/users/postUgkxGqOCINHE0Z0E5gxzSdNi9NWGugRY5Hm2 plan with the best resources and step by step instructions . These shed plans are so satisfying as if the sheds build themselves on their own. Worthy work Ryan!
The music you have is great and I like the editing glad I saw this channel.
I was beginning to think I was the only person doing lap cuts anymore. I refuse to ever do a scarf cut on fence rails and I see them bloody everywhere in Australia. So I was thrilled to see your lap cuts, thank you!
Cheers, much more satisfying!
ultramegaroytrombone - I’m getting into carpentry for the last two years. Out of curiousity, why do you prefer the lap cuts on fences? Thanks for the input, from Canada. Cheers
Hey Nater… lap cuts are the way to go outdoors because they last longer than scarf cuts. Scarf cuts come to a point which is never, ever, good to do to wood outdoors. Bringing wood to a point always increases the chance for deterioration at those points. Then if you are bolting or screwing the timber to the post, you are gonna drill through (most likely) a thinner piece of the rail than you would be if you were doing a lap cut, unless you are incredibly precise. A lap cut means you are always screwing through at least 50% of the rail size where a slight misalignment on a scarf cut means you’ll be screwing through less than 50% of a rail to attach it to the post. A lap cut is also a tighter fit and there’s less chance that the rails will pull apart in the future and there’s less chance water will penetrate between the lap cut. The final reason is… it just looks better. It looks like you give a damn about what you are building and not just building a fence to make money. On some fences I’ve made I’ve taken pictures of the lap cuts where a white piece of hardwood meets with a red piece of hardwood on a rail and it simply looks fantastic, like you’re making a piece of art. Greeting from Sydney my Canadian friend, I hope you have a long and prosperous career working with wood…
ultramegaroytrombone - Thanks for the well wishes... I actively seek out advise and tips online, so I will have a prosperous career, with help from folks like you, so thanks for that as well...
I’ve always done scarf joints outdoors in an attempt to hide the joints, giving it a seamless appearance. I guess overtime the opposite happens, especially here in Canada with our climate. If it works down under, I would imagine it works here.
I will definitely be looking to incorporate those lap joints into my daily routines wherever possible.
Your method of explanation was clear and made perfect sense to me, so thank you for taking the time to help me out! I will be sure to pass along the info and pay it forward to the next generation.
Had an extra thought on the subject.... I’ve seen people use lap joints for interior wood working and a lot of the time they use glue before their fasteners, would you do the same for exterior applications?
Thanks Nater… yes, I’m a big fan of Liquid Nails adhesive. I use it just about anytime I join 2 pieces of wood together whether it’s gonna be screwed or nailed after that. For lap joints on a fence I’ll use Landscape Liquid Nails, which is an exterior grade version. I won’t use glue to attach palings to a fence rail, that’s a bit too much overkill in my opinion.
For interior framing work I’ll still use liquid nails but for most other things I’ll use a “white” coloured or transparent glue like Gorilla or Tarzan wood glue which are just generic brands here. For finishing carpentry like architraves and trim work, I’ll use a “superglue” or epoxy that requires an additive to set off the glue when applied. Those products are awesome!
When I talk to a client about a quote for a job, I tell them I do things like obsessively gluing everything first, because I suffer from “OES”. Then I tell them OES stands for “Over Engineering Syndrome”. They laugh and then they end up hiring me. Sometimes it’s exactly what the client wants to hear.
You’re a good man Nater, keep up the great attitude you have and may you live long and prosper…
i cant believe you called a cement truck to fill a few post holes
If money is not a problem that is not a problem
Getting in the concrete truck cost the owner an unnecessary extra cost.
its over 600.00 dollar minamum in the Boston area.
That crete truck is expensive as hell here in Maine USA! I just pull a few bag from the hardware and throw them on my truck.
ericcyc1 a few bags of Sakrete from the hardware store ain’t much of a problem. Better putting money in my pocket than someone else’s.
hey scott, just wanted to say love you’re vids and work! I’m from England but I’ve lived in New Zealand when I was younger (Christchurch) just left after the earthquake. Keep up the good work. Love your content!
Thanks a lot Daniel
Very polite to have the neighbours see the nice clean side of the fence.
that's the FU side. the horizontal beams are meant to be on the inside so the fence can't be easily jumped from the outside. I would be pissed if someone built my fence backwards
its the side that is harder to climb on
I normally make bird boxes for the punters with the cuttings .i love a new pailin
Love the vids keep them coming
Hi scott! Great video man! Cool to see the process!
Cheers Sebastiaan
Excellent music & vid as usual.
Great Soundtrack Choices Mate. Cheers
We do 150x150 posts 1.2m deep where I am because of frost heave and wind storms/blizzards. Cross members are hung with galvanized brackets and 40mm deck screws.
Awesome videos guys. Very educational. Makes me rethink my career as a bank manager lol. Good stuff, keep it up!
Memphis Jahx, well maybe since you’re good with numbers you can calculate how much money was wasted because of the fence’s inevitable failure because there was no drainage material in the base of the holes. And the end grain wasn’t sealed against direct ground contact. And the concrete wasn’t troweled at the ground level to ensure proper drainage. And rabbeting the rail joints is cute but pointlessly exposes way too much grain to be a good idea.
@@charleshetrick3152 this timber is treated to be set in ground
@@fanaticz666 no, it’s not. If this were pressure treated for ground contact it would be incised (having hundreds of little cuts) pressure treated. It looks like cedar to me but I know there exists “appearance grade” pressure treated which is not incised and not rated for ground contact. That said whenever you cut or drill pressure treated lumber there’s a liquid pressure treating chemical you apply to the cut ends. All that considered when I’ve built fences regardless of the lumber type my holes had drain rock and I applied a rubberized coating to the end grain of the end to be subterranean. Yes a fence can be poorly built and last quite a long time but if I were building a fence and representing myself as an authority on same on TH-cam I’d pay closer attention to these details.
@@charleshetrick3152 these are H4 fence post with CCA treatment, treated for in ground use for fence post. Nothing on this fence is cedar
Great job!
How to build a fence like a absolute savage doctor ahahah love your great work mr brown thanks for teaching me brother love the work you do it’s very nice brother thanks u
Lap joints are awesome. Great video.
Thanks!
Do an episode on the sounds you use in your awesome videos. I’m sure many have wondered! 😁👍
Good effort lads. Well done. Subscribed.
The reality is that"s building in winter,Good one dude keep it up!
Just stumbled across your channel, spent a little bit trying to figure out if you were in England, then noticed the description. The content is spot on, really interesting stuff, I actually already follow a bricklayer, a sparky (electrics) and a plumber (heating engineer) on TH-cam and now I've got a chippy too. In another life I'd work on site and not in IT, but am still a keen DIY'er. Sounds to me like your a natural at youtube, keep at it and watch those subs grow :)
Gotta love TH-cam for that , Thanks for the support man
Haha, another IT geek over here, setting up a workshop in my shed so I can do more hands on stuff with wood and robotics.
Heating technician
i love the music at the end
I know Istill satter and pelay board work I am very happy to see your work your style of work is beautiful
Good to see a proper fence getting built, 900mm deep holes for post, witch really is regulation, not to many people would do that. Great job! That fence will last a life time easy..
Not with wooden posts, they'll soak up water that will hold in the concrete and rot the posts. Doesn't matter if the posts are 100ft or 1ft in the ground, concrete posts are the best option for a lifetime fence.
@@HarleyGC7 You clearly know zero about the timber and the treatment methods here in NZ.
@@DiscoFang Doesn't matter what you treat it with, its wood and it rots. Even concrete can rot and eventually crumble but it takes a very very long time, sometimes 40 years or so.
Harley Here in NZ I've seen concrete posts failing before timber posts. I have original Jarrah boundary & fence corner posts on my own place that are 100yo. Concrete posts have almost no resilience to knocks. Generally only a couple of 6mm pretensioned wire lengths inside that lends any strength to them but if the concrete crumbles or cracks they are useless.
Harley 40 years can NOT be considered a long time.
I like the overlapping joint.👍
Awesome work bro 👌👌👌👍👍👍
I don’t know, I don’t think you used enough concrete. Not convinced those posts will hold
The neighbours are strong
This was the first Scott Brown Carpentry video I watched when researching building my fence about a month or two ago. Now I've watch every episode
Hi - would appreciate any thoughts on how you would deal with this... concrete spurs every 1.9 meters, but the rails only come in 3.6m max so I need to overlap...lap joint ?
Very smart, cheers Scotty
Lap joints? Classy!
It's nice to see the transformer ladder in progress 😆
Should have hosed off the fence straight after the pour. I do it every time now and it saves heaps of hassle down the line cleaning it after it dries.
I like the lap joint with the Through bolt.
Very well done Mr. Brown!
Cheers pal!
Nice looking fence, thou a lot of pissing about. Have a look at how they did a feather edge fence in the UK. Could put that fence up in a day using postcrete.
how to lay a concrete slab......with a fence in it lol
LOL!!!
As I stated....damn they made a mess....he says...."we made a bit of a mess". YA THINK?!?!?! LOL.
Waaaayyy to much water something like that would be better on the dryer side. Especially do to windy conditions. Too much water + wind = cracked weakend concrete
Sean Henry I couldn’t tell if it was the bottom stringer or a rot-board. He might have been aiming for a 2-in-1.
One good storm and the fence is gone.
Lmao!
"We made a bit of a mess."
Umh... You noticed! :D
Noticed, but didnt fix it. Classic....
Great video, just one friendly comment, When it rains like that or ground is soaked, concrete should dry atleast 3 days. If not concrete underneat becomes brittle
Great video! Some advice? For a 2.4 meter fence, 90 x 90 fence posts, how deep should the post be and is 300mm auger correct?
2 ft deep
Great work - come to the UK and join our team 🇬🇧
Man! go the concrete truck for a few holes. Might need to sharpen up the ole wheelbarrowing concrete in a hole stuff thou :) - great vid, cheers
A shovel of cement in the hole before you put in the post saves that support work to hold the posts off the bottom.
Do you have a wet and dry season? I had to build a "fruit & veg stand" set up in fruit stand country [they always need a 'special' custom one] Only it was late august. In northern California. Where it hadn't rained in 7 months. The 2 man auger was NOT doing it for us, I think we ended up renting a backhoe with a drill attachment to get our holes done.
I always put a couple broken bits of slabs in the bottom of the holes then use postcrete, no mess, no need for a concrete truck.
Don’t know if it was you or patreau that dumped the wheelbarrow full of concrete but the rule with me and my guys if you dump a barrow full of concrete it’s a case of beer lol
Best comment yet, don’t know where your from but here in west TEXAS it’s a bottle of crown!!!
yup a box of heinekins if you drop the barrow
Crown larger in Texas? Thought that was Aussie beer lol
I did work experience with concreters when I was 15 and dropped the first load immediately and got out of buying a slab of beers cause I was too young
Bro...that concrete work was an absolute nightmare...I’m sure the fence is fine but my god the concrete...
Right, that was hard to watch
We use quick concrete > you win a lot of time.
Right lol. 2 ft holes takes one bag of quick crete.
So painful watching the premix first couple barrows so wet and there was no plan to get rid lol, would have been better to mix by hand for such a small job
They were probably rushed by the driver to get their few spoonfuls of concrete and bugger off
Use a 6x1 board running along the bottom of the fence, all feather boards then sit on it so you don’t need a string line and the individual boards are raised off the ground away from moisture.
is the board perfectly straight.
@@iworkforwendys can’t say I’ve ever seen a 6x1 with a horrendous bow init so yes they are pretty much always straight.
great jobs
Beautiful Work Brother well done boys jealous I couldn’t help you guys out!!! Call me next time
If they do ask you to help next go round. Remember to tell them to put some drainage material in the base of those holes.
No bonus when you're working in the winter in Canada it would be like drilling through rock lol
Or texas Hill country. You literally are drilling through rock
6:25 inside the pool of concrete, lol
Great fence. What spacing are the posts? Cheers Nick
Thanks.. nice video.
Saludos I have a lot of respect for the work you do I recently quited my job to do a lower scale version of what you do thanks for your videos 🇲🇽
orale! hows it going in your new job?
@@Le_Petomane went back to my old field it didn't work out couldn't put it together, so I am back with a different company with a new attitude 🇲🇽😎
Hell yeah. Always learn what you can
ok, don't hang me I'm not a carpenter,
but why do you go to the effort of using a string line (with a spacer) to line up all the tops of the pailings to then free hand cut them to length with the circular?
Short answer is to get the bottom straight. They don't make palings to suit our fence height. We bought longer palings, strung it up so the bottom stayed consistent and then cut the top to the desired height
im far from a perfectionist/ finish carpenter bit i just level/plumb the first board and then flush up the rest, if once in a while youre hands are working faster then your eyes and it gets off course a bit trimming a half inch with the circ saw at the end brings it back in
Chris glasgow that would be to keep the bottom of the boards in line!
For example if every board was 50mm longer or shorter than the previous board, stringing from the top would put the bottom out and the top Perfect, which he then cut free hand. If you want the bottom line Perfect why would you not string the bottom and then cut the discrepancies between boards at the top like he did anyway?
@@glastan3 I would assume every board is cut at the same length, even if they were out a couple of mm you probably would see it that bad at the bottom
Looking over the comments there’s a lot of shoulda coulda woulda warriors. I think you guys killed that job and I would’ve been down to help with labor
Pete Saravia yup sure didn’t learn how to make $300k a year without being humble first. Peanut butter and jealous little Petey!!! Es ok bro es ok
Liked that lap joints, but duck me you made a meal if it. That fence was a days work tops.
very nice
Watching while having a late smoko 👍🏽
what size nails for the gun did you use 90mm for framing and 51mm for slats?
Hi nice job.
One question brother. .why did you do the nice side of the fence to the neighbors side?
Thanks
if NZ is anything like Aus, if you want to replace /change a fence, the neighbours legally have to have the good side.
It’s just a council rule to keep the peace.
So it matches the other fences. And it makes it harder for people to climb onto your property
@@doaimanariroll5121 😁
In the UK, the person that receives the good side cannot legally claim the fence as theirs, even if they built it!
You made an absolute meal out of that mate haha. Thought you were starting building a house for a minute at a point in that vid haha.. madness
Hey, when u have some time" rain or something" make a video of how is the life in new Zealand for people in trades.
Definitely different than here in Us, carpenters will never hang drywall or insulation( bigger scale i'm guessing).
Keep up the good work.
Watch tomorrow's episode 🙂
Scott Brown Carpentry you read my mind and subscribers are growing by the minute!!!
Nice work. Just stumbled across your channel and love what you do.
Question: whats the benefit of using a cancrete from a truck ? Wouldn't it have been less messy just getting some quick setting concrete from Bunnings and just using that ?
Facts tho
Hell yes it would have!
You try mixing 10 or so barrows of concrete(especially rapid set) and see if you wouldnt be ordering a truck next time.
@@UncleChopChop22 A lot of guys just dump the bag straight in the hole, no mixing, just tamp it down with the bar as you add water. Probably not as strong but strong enough.
@@UncleChopChop22 been there. Done that. It's not hard. My neighbor would have been pissed if all that flowed into his yard
All you need is one string line at the bottom of the fence posts when setting. Just use your level and line up with string
1 - 80lb bag dry concrete mix per hole tamped in as you go mixed with a little of the dirt and lightly moistened with water and you are good to go with no mess . Also post 5 ft on center you can use 16ft 2×4s lateral stringers that can be cut on a 22 degree bevel to break dead nuts on center of your post attached with exterior screws predrilled pilot holes . With 16ft 2×4s you can stager the joints so that there is only one joint per post . Try it you'll like it . That's the way a carpenter builds stuff
20ft / 6m is a standard length rail/stringer we get in NZ. 16ft/4.8m is the shortest standard length for fence rails.
10” Sonos Tubes for the posts. Then just drop them in the hole. I like the joint construction
Scotty those ladders are good aren't they mate? I have had a set for about 8 years now.
Decent channel, just found it. U deserve more subscribers
Thanks man
could you use quikrete with this, instead of scheduling concrete pouring?
For footings yes
How far inside the property line did you set your post?
Oh wow a cement truck for these few posts? What a mess. But it’s in there good I’m sure if it! 😂
We just put 22 posts into ground to make veggie garden. 12’ long, 4’ hole. Took about 1.5 bags of 80lbs quick Crete. Added water. Done! No meds. Cheap, too! Accident my Backed minivan into one. Did not budge 😂
I swear. I wish here in the states contractors had the time and patience yall have. The guys i know would never take multiple days to build a fence.
It would be 3 times the labour price with multiple days extra
What’s the name of the bolts with the mushroom head and how do you got them if it’s a mushroomed head??
I hope you kept and sold that toy gun cause that’s pretty dope
👌🏾 good job bro.
Jesus Christ..... sure you don’t want to use another 10,000 gallons of concrete?
Right!
*yards*
Haha
@ Maxwell Actual the river you see is water, not concrete
Maybe they ordered to much and were like, "screw it! Let's use it all." I've seen that happen alot.
Why do you get so many haters? Great videos btw.
When doing a longer run of fence, do you brace every post before the concrete, or level up once the concrete is poured in the hole with the post??
Carpenter or not you forgot the beer rail. Every fence I build gets a board perpendicular to the middle support rail. I never tell clients why; almost every single client about two months later drops me an email or voicemail thanking me for the “beer/drinks rail”. The timing I guess is how long it takes them to finish making their back yards pretty and then invite friends over for a BBQ.
Fencing 10 years so this is just too funny I'd of dug an boarded that on my own in a day an concrete truck 😂😂
bukkss bukks literally just wrote a similar comment before reading this haha,
Would've put the posts in on m my way home and finished it in the morning on my way to another job.
Haha, 3 days! 🤣
Dry set keep releveling while framing it and nailing it and add water to the concrete at the end its only a nail on and idk whats up with thos end cuts on the rails
Well done Billy big balls...
Carl Saporiti
Hi Scott I am enjoying your video's and wanted to pass something along. I recently purchased a Makita 10-1/4" Circular saw (Makita 5104) for work I am currently doing...I see you like Makita tools, if you are not familiar with this saw you might want to check it out! A single pass goes right through 6 x 6 posts. Using it on a current deck build really speeds build time. I am in the US and find some of the differences in techniques very interesting.
Keep up the good work!
Outstanding Sir, you are the balls! Is there much work for good carpenters in N.Z?
Plenty at the moment pal
Scott Brown Carpentry The same in Ireland but it's hard to find good carpenters helpers and apprentices.
must be lots of work in NZ if them wankers get paid for that
Hey Scott how did you work out your spacings for your posts? And more important how did you work out your spacings for your fencing? It's hard to find a spacings video that is in metric.
Spacing should be 1.8 as rails come in 3.6 lengths
@@Greig-gb9et or 5.4 or 6.0m
Hi Scott, what would an 18m long fence like this cost. Similar access and flat easy section. Cheers! Great video!
I watched from beginning to end at 3am and I live in apartments.
What sort of suspenders is the dude with the white tee Rocking? Trying to find some to run on my Taurus belt but can’t find any that allow me to wear my belt backwards 😅
i saw that ledger board at the bottom and literally did the head smack OH DUH! i'll be using that in a week when i sink a bunch of posts that will be supports for an array of solar panels... had a 5' deep by 2' wide trench dug, will put in sonotube and backfill, then use that to plumb all the posts. so obvious, feel stupid for not having thought of it before!
I saw the cheeky concrete spill
Nice! I just started building fences for work..i have so many questions
Sup Scott I’m building my first fence now. Why did you need a spacer for the height of the pickets if you ended up cutting the tops. ( I’m not being critical it’s a genuine question) .
So the bottom edge is straight and at same height
Alot of work just for a fence I just use bags of quickset concrete works the same if not better. I also cut the top of the posts at 45° for water run off..
A 20° cut is enough for water run off.... 45° is unnecessary
how long are the nails and what type of nails do i use for the fence boards
Use screws not nails
I wish our ground was that soft. Full of rocks and clay!
I bought a mini digger so I don’t have use that two man post hole. I think it was worth buying it back saver
Good call man, we were talking about that as we were lifting that thing out of the ground !
Good call mate! We were talking about that as we were lifting the machine out of the holes
Glyn Owen ahh ? Mini digger with a post hole attachment is the same thing without you doing all the work to lift and etc
Glyn Owen and a back saver. being in the building Industry for 10years now it takes out of you
its interesting to see you just put the poles in the cement, over here that would rot after a year. we put the cement in and stick metal pole holders in the cement , then screw the poles on the pole holders once the cement has hardened. the cement stays under ground the metal pole holders stick roughly 5 cm above the ground and the poles never touch the ground
Can you link the product for fence posts?
Mmm... I don't know how to explain ... (my mother tongue is dutch...) Funny that the even "flat" side is towards the neighbors. I would ask to set up the fence the other way around, showing the (horizontal) construction towards the neighbors. Leaving me with the beautiful side of all the palings. That's is, in my opinion. BTW: great channel.
In the UK its always done nice side to the neighbour not sure why but that's how it's done
Are you any good with building walls??
Patio and fence at the same time/awesome
Nice fence!