Thanks for the excellent video. I thought I was a well informed amateur historian of motorcycle racing but I had never heard of Gyula Marsovsky or Bo Granath before. I was lucky enough to have met Johnny Cecotto in 1987 when he raced a touring car at Bathurst in Australia. He was mostly unknown in Australian car racing circles and was pleasantly surprised when I recognised him and knew of his bike racing exploits.
Liked this a lot. Middle weight titans to consider. Kork Ballington, Anton Mang, Carlos Lavado and Walter Villa. There were also a raft of great Japanese riders in the 90's who won 250 titles who never made the leap up. Definitely follow this video up. My suggestions for future episodes would be the amazing Bruno Kneubuhler (pronounced 'noy buller'), Donnie McLeod, Alex George, Takazumi Katayama John Koscinski and Daryl Beattie. Oh, and buy a Moto GP stat book, it will be your best friend for this shit.😊 Forgotten world champs might include Cecil Sanford and Gary Hocking.
Jarno Saarinen. The most underrated and forgotten rider ever, he was better than everyone in his day and those names are among the greatest of all time. He passed far too early but in his short career he proved how great he would have been had he not died at Monza.
Maybe it's just because me and my dad talk about him more than other forgotten legends, but he didn't even cross my mind as being forgotten, but he totally is. One of the biggest what-ifs in MotoGP history
@@TheBeehivePaddock if you are ever in Finland, it is.possible to visit his old garage/workshop underneath the Saarinen family business in Turku. His brother has turned it into a small museum with all kinds of things on display from Jarno's racing career. I went there once and it was great, his brother gave me and my son a personal tour and told us about almost everything there. When you see just how much of a privateer he really was and how much work he did himself, you will be amazed that he managed to beat the full factory team that Agostini had. Jarno usually raced at least two classes each race weekend and would just switch the top ends of his engine around to make it possible. His skill with the wrenches was as good as his riding skills, because his bikes were so reliable in comparison to others. I think he even shot-peened other riders cranks because everyone knew that it improved reliability and that Jarno did it so well.
Gyue and Bo totally new names to me ...but wow what fantastic achievments in their own right. J.Williams ...what a tough nut been doing so well in the baggers and super hooligan last couple years. Could do with a baggers series in the U.K. Great work. Thank you.
Can you make a video where you place top 22 riders in motogp history, place them on the bike they are most known for and make a hypothetical championship between them where their bikes are as fast? (A bonus om what number they would wear, and which bike it would be) Btw, I love you videos, and you will make it big!
bo granath, saw him ride many times at oulton park inthe late 60s and early 70s usually at the bank holiday interationals with all the other top stars of that era
Your research is impeccable, Bee. It's so good to see how much your channel is growing, and your content just improving all the time.❤ Side note: the Suzuka 8 hour still exists. Awesome endurance racing with some of the top riders in the world.
Always happy to see your comments! Thanks for the support! I watch the Endurance races in the background while I do homework, I just finished the 24 hours of le mans from this year! Suzuka is next on my list.
I recommend one of the biggest "what if" riders, János Drapál. He's a rider from Hungary (okay I'm biased, since I'm also hungarian🙂), who started as a wildcard, mostly in the smaller classes. From the 20 races he finished he won 4. Unfortunately since he was from behind the Iron Curtain, he didn't had the chance for a full season (founding and even traveling was heavily restricted).
Fr. I love this channel so much. Vids are imo never biased, great content, chill vibes. And most importantly its real organic content that is not just ai generated. I was contemplating creating a motogp channel because there was no content like this on youtube.. keep it up beehive 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Yeah I wanted more than just the AI slop that MotoGP fans get, and then I realized I could just do it myself. I like to think I'm a neutral fan but who really is? Appreciate the support!
Jim Redman continued to feature his race bikes in classic and demonstration events for a very long time. Always with the multi cylinder bikes he had rode in the 60's from the factory and private collections. Often seen at some of the same events as Giacomo Agostini.
Gyula and bo are the only two I didn't know much about the rest are legends I will not forget.i guess it's an age thing and possibly how much you want to learn about the sport.
This was mostly based on what I see online. That's why I changed the title to forgotten and underrated instead of just forgotten, because some of these guys are literal hall of famers who will never be fully forgotten like you say
To be fair to Johnny Cecotto, his whole motorcycle career is forgotten due to his exploits on four wheels, really V8 Star champion, Bathurst winner (technically),WTCC winner, BTCC household name and winner, F1 driver. When you got that on your resume, it's kind of overshadowing just what Cecotto did on four wheels. But he did balk at racing bikes at Mount Panorama, but being okay with racing cars there. And the reason I said technicaly a Bathurst winner, he finished first in his class,got the points awarded.You can look up how controversial that 1987 James Hardie 1000 was on your own time
@@TheBeehivePaddock He really does. Same deal with Big John Surtees, more people remember him as an F1 world champion than his bike success. Mike Hailwood is the opposite, though,but as for Cecotto, he took his lumps and got hurt badly in cars,but got his flowers and his titles on two and four wheels. Which makes me wonder, we have Cecotto and Surtees,but what about the opposite. How many four wheel champions switched to two wheels?Michael Schumacher was testing a Superbike in the mid 2000s but nothing came of it,so |I'm curious how many four wheel champions made the switch to motorcycle racing
@@TheBeehivePaddockeverybody remembers super touring cars very fondly of the late 90s, and given he won thr German Touring Car Championship (STW), you can see that he's highly rated in that world as well. It honestly caught me off guard when I saw his name here, I thought it was a different Johnny lol (coming from someone that hasn't watched a single moto GP race in full, but simply enjoy your videos).
Cecotto thumbnail brought me here. I learned all about his racing background when I was looking for a historic DTM livery to use on my amateur series E30 race car. When you look deeper into just how good he was on both 2 and four wheels, it’s not hard to imagine that without the major crashes he had potential to beat anyone on any day- whether on 2 or 4 wheels- he was that good.
@TheBeehivePaddock Behold the glorious hertiage of his late 2002 races with the rcv, so sad that yamaha and honda sucked that hard the following seasons and he is not particularly the most consistent rider.
I've been a fan of road racing of all type, motocross too, since the mid 60s. I'm ashamed that i don't remember hearing of Findlay. Yea, never heard of Ubbiali. He defiantly deserves to be recognized. No, haven't heard of Granath either. I remember Cecotto very well. And though these next 3 were never GP champions, they very well might have been. My first hero, Calvin Lee Rayborn II, who got killed just as he was coming on the GP scene. Rusty Bradley, killed just as he was emerging as one of the fastest racers. And then there's Bubba Shobert. His promising career cut short. How about a video on those who's career were cut short? I'm sure it would take several to fit them all in.
Great video that I enjoyed watching, but Jim Redman and Johnny Cecotto as forgotten riders ??? That's a bit of a stretch. I asked around my bike group and most people remember them. But then we're all at the older end of the age spectrum. Maybe that's the reason.
That's probably it. I'm basing forgotten off of what I see online a lot of the time in terms of discussion and my group. Obviously, I'm on the younger side, so my perception is just as skewed, but I almost never see these guys talked about online or by younger fans. (Well, apparently Cecotto is pretty famous as an auto racer, but that's not the focus)
I thought I knew mucho about GP riders careers and Wold Champions,,turns out I do not !! Yeah I learned something,,,, My only claim to fame is I went to Daytona 1976. Iv subbed
Not sure of the actual ruling, but I have to assume it's a safety thing. Cognitive processing speeds go down and injury rates go up over time. I agree with you, nobody is going to employ someone in the modern day unless they're still capable of competing at a top level anyway, so it seems redundant.
KTM was never building engines for Proton. 🤔The engines for the KR3 were built by Modenas. At this time KTM built a 2-cylinder 4-stroke 1000cc engine, the RC8. All other KTM engines were single cylinder 2- and 4-stoke bikes. Single cylinder 2-strokes were build for the 125cc Championship competing from 2003 on. And in 2005 there was a 250cc race bike with 2 cylinders, but never a 500cc engine. And if JMcW laped only half a second slower than Mick Doohan, he knew a short-cut. 😆 But damn good content, thx Please do a video 'bout Ex-Riders leading a race team like KR, Lucio Ceccinello, Jorge Martinez, Agostini, Nieto, Gresini, Rossi..... cheers
Great info! My biggest blind spot is the technical side, it just goes in one ear and out the other for me no matter how much I try and learn. I never could have told you about the engine discrepancy. I've been thinking about making a video like that, or just about riders who stayed in the sport in other ways like Simon Crafar.
So many factors can deny the actual literal BEST rider from prevailing in whatever series including various things out of ones control or pretty much out of ones control including in no particular order one's natural overal health despite every effort to maintain that to maximum, crashes caused by others totally out of one's control as racde bikes dont even have a rear view mirror! Not to mention the comparitive abilities of the motorcycle one is stuck with (even blindsided by advances in competion no one saw coming!) which I include the budget and personnel available to tune and maintain such...how many individuals MIGHT easily have been world champion save one factor out of their control? Unforseeable things even ? You have to admit racing can always depend a bit (even quite a bit) on bold faced LUCK even defeating the best efforts of the most talented well funded best suported riders EVEN if unquestionably riding the very best motorcyce! File such things under "aint life an Fing b!tch sometimes?"
I would love you to cover the KIwi Ken Newcombe who died racing at Oxford 1973 season after the clerk Vernon Cooper ( May burn in hell) refused to place hay balls in front of a wall at Stowe corner ! to much effort for him the prick! Kim developed from a 500 cc German Konig outboard motor a winning competitive machine. Such an unnecessary loss to gran pre racing RIP Kim
Never knew this is how Newcombe passed. I'm working on putting together entries for a follow up to my iceberg video, this will definitely go on my list.
Will mir go down as forgotten?? He’s probably one of the worst champions no hate but he’s not even top ten in talent and barily was when he won And also. I’ve met Jeremy McWilliams at a motoamerica event. He rides in a few classes there he’s even won a few races. Cool to see him still racing 😊
Well, he could be forgotten, but he's not one of the worst champions. In 2020, Mir won because of consistency (even though he was mostly lucky of Quartararo making mistakes), but still, Mir can contend, if he had the competitive bike and a bike that fits his riding style well.
but, since 2021, he fell off for some reason, maybe because of a big crash. But still, if Mir has that good bike, he can contend if he can get off that rust on him that got him in '22-'24.
I wasent saying he’s the worst as in he sucks. More like lucky. But being on Honda is a career killer at this point. I always liked mir but I just feel like there’s so much talent in motogp that he probably won’t get a chance on a better bike.
@@cadenruff2123 well in some or probably most cases he was lucky, but there were races where he is good in that Suzuki because the Suzuki was quick and fitted both his and Rins' riding style.
Jack Finlay, Gyula Marsovszky, Carlo Ubiali, Jim Redman, Bo Granath and Johnny Cecotto NEVER competed in MotoGP! Florian Camathias did not win the Dutch TT, he won the sidecar class of the Dutch TT in 1958. And when modern fans don't know them, as they don't know so many other great riders, then that's because they generally know nothing of motorcycle racing history!
I guess I am predudiced and I am sorry but 50cc world champions just kind of fail to impress me...I mean a lot of that racing is dog butt slow! I am guessing the biggest danger was that tiny piston welding itself to the cylinder wall in a sweeper with unsafe runoff? Kinda almost glorified bicycles compared to fast classes? And while I loved me some smokers back in the day? 50cc expansion chamber sound track? downright annoying!
I get the sentiment, but also they still went well over 100mph and had competitive racing. I definitely value them the least among all championships when comparing, but they are still impressive to me
I rarely learn anything new when I watch/listen to most videos. But not this one! Great stuff!
Super glad to hear it!
Thanks for the excellent video. I thought I was a well informed amateur historian of motorcycle racing but I had never heard of Gyula Marsovsky or Bo Granath before. I was lucky enough to have met Johnny Cecotto in 1987 when he raced a touring car at Bathurst in Australia. He was mostly unknown in Australian car racing circles and was pleasantly surprised when I recognised him and knew of his bike racing exploits.
Can’t wait for your Rossi v Marquez breakdown
Might be awhile because I want to rewatch the whole 2015 season, but it'll come
Spectacular show. First show of yours I’ve seen, subscribed set to all notices. Looking forward to what’s next
you are becoming my favourite channel to watch so please keep up the great work man !
Happy to hear that! Thanks for the support!
Another great video lad! Interesting and well researched - keep up the good work. BTW Agostini is pronounced like Agony.
I love this kind of content! I'm a huge fan of the Isle of Man TT. Particularly of the 90's and earlier.
Liked this a lot. Middle weight titans to consider. Kork Ballington, Anton Mang, Carlos Lavado and Walter Villa. There were also a raft of great Japanese riders in the 90's who won 250 titles who never made the leap up.
Definitely follow this video up. My suggestions for future episodes would be the amazing Bruno Kneubuhler (pronounced 'noy buller'), Donnie McLeod, Alex George, Takazumi Katayama John Koscinski and Daryl Beattie.
Oh, and buy a Moto GP stat book, it will be your best friend for this shit.😊
Forgotten world champs might include Cecil Sanford and Gary Hocking.
Very interesting history, thank you, add Jon Ekerold world champion - privateer!
Thanks for mentioning Daryl Beattie, he commentates MotoGp on Australian TV now.
Great video - thanks for creating and posting!
A great video, definitely learned names I haven’t heard of before!
Jarno Saarinen. The most underrated and forgotten rider ever, he was better than everyone in his day and those names are among the greatest of all time. He passed far too early but in his short career he proved how great he would have been had he not died at Monza.
Maybe it's just because me and my dad talk about him more than other forgotten legends, but he didn't even cross my mind as being forgotten, but he totally is. One of the biggest what-ifs in MotoGP history
@@TheBeehivePaddock if you are ever in Finland, it is.possible to visit his old garage/workshop underneath the Saarinen family business in Turku. His brother has turned it into a small museum with all kinds of things on display from Jarno's racing career. I went there once and it was great, his brother gave me and my son a personal tour and told us about almost everything there.
When you see just how much of a privateer he really was and how much work he did himself, you will be amazed that he managed to beat the full factory team that Agostini had. Jarno usually raced at least two classes each race weekend and would just switch the top ends of his engine around to make it possible. His skill with the wrenches was as good as his riding skills, because his bikes were so reliable in comparison to others. I think he even shot-peened other riders cranks because everyone knew that it improved reliability and that Jarno did it so well.
Brand new Moto Gp fan here, really loving your videos to help me learn more about the sport
That's the goal! The more people I can help infect with the MotoGP bug, the better!
Another fantastic video, so much effort goes into these with so much info, top job 👌💪🏻
This is good stuff. I really enjoy the history and learning it. Helps to know the stories behind the names you see on a big list. Thanks.
Thanks for the support! That's why I make the content!
Gyue and Bo totally new names to me ...but wow what fantastic achievments in their own right.
J.Williams ...what a tough nut been doing so well in the baggers and super hooligan last couple years. Could do with a baggers series in the U.K.
Great work. Thank you.
Can you make: "The life of *rider*" videos? I love you videos btw!
I want to do these, there's some riders who had crazy lives
Can you make a video where you place top 22 riders in motogp history, place them on the bike they are most known for and make a hypothetical championship between them where their bikes are as fast? (A bonus om what number they would wear, and which bike it would be) Btw, I love you videos, and you will make it big!
bo granath, saw him ride many times at oulton park inthe late 60s and early 70s usually at the bank holiday interationals with all the other top stars of that era
new favourite channel, keep it up brother
Nice production!
Your research is impeccable, Bee.
It's so good to see how much your channel is growing, and your content just improving all the time.❤
Side note: the Suzuka 8 hour still exists. Awesome endurance racing with some of the top riders in the world.
Always happy to see your comments! Thanks for the support! I watch the Endurance races in the background while I do homework, I just finished the 24 hours of le mans from this year! Suzuka is next on my list.
Tnx. Good stuff !
I recommend one of the biggest "what if" riders, János Drapál. He's a rider from Hungary (okay I'm biased, since I'm also hungarian🙂), who started as a wildcard, mostly in the smaller classes. From the 20 races he finished he won 4. Unfortunately since he was from behind the Iron Curtain, he didn't had the chance for a full season (founding and even traveling was heavily restricted).
Thanks for the reccomendation! I'll look into him, I'm Hungarian on my dad's side, that's one of the reasons I chose Marsovsky :)
That's cool, i was wondering a bit when he came up, not many people remember Marsovszky.
I would definitely sign a petition urging Dorna to replace sprints with 200 mile races.
I'm not saying every weekend but one or two a year and I'd never complain again
I can remember phoning in sick from work so I could go to Brands Hatch to watch Johnny Cecotto on his 750.
Could be get a race recap after this weekend?
I don't really have time for race recaps, but I'm planning a season recap for this year
Nice bit of research.......ive still got my Jack Findley sticker
Second and Aye maaaaa been uploaded another masterpiece
Always awesome to see your comment! Glad you enjoyed the vid!
@@TheBeehivePaddockAnd I'm glad to see ur uploads bro, keep ur nose to the grindstone and you'll get somewhere.
Great video
Glad you enjoyed!
Fr. I love this channel so much. Vids are imo never biased, great content, chill vibes. And most importantly its real organic content that is not just ai generated. I was contemplating creating a motogp channel because there was no content like this on youtube.. keep it up beehive 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼
Yeah I wanted more than just the AI slop that MotoGP fans get, and then I realized I could just do it myself. I like to think I'm a neutral fan but who really is? Appreciate the support!
Jim Redman continued to feature his race bikes in classic and demonstration events for a very long time. Always with the multi cylinder bikes he had rode in the 60's from the factory and private collections. Often seen at some of the same events as Giacomo Agostini.
Gyula and bo are the only two I didn't know much about the rest are legends I will not forget.i guess it's an age thing and possibly how much you want to learn about the sport.
This was mostly based on what I see online. That's why I changed the title to forgotten and underrated instead of just forgotten, because some of these guys are literal hall of famers who will never be fully forgotten like you say
I'm proud user of a Jhonny Cecotto replica helmet. It dont make me faster, but its my small tribute to the grea rider he was 👍👍👍👍
To be fair to Johnny Cecotto, his whole motorcycle career is forgotten due to his exploits on four wheels, really
V8 Star champion, Bathurst winner (technically),WTCC winner, BTCC household name and winner, F1 driver. When you got that on your resume, it's kind of overshadowing just what Cecotto did on four wheels. But he did balk at racing bikes at Mount Panorama, but being okay with racing cars there.
And the reason I said technicaly a Bathurst winner, he finished first in his class,got the points awarded.You can look up how controversial that 1987 James Hardie 1000 was on your own time
I know next to nothing about 4 wheeled racing, but I'm glad he got his flowers somewhere because he absolutely deserves it
@@TheBeehivePaddock He really does. Same deal with Big John Surtees, more people remember him as an F1 world champion than his bike success. Mike Hailwood is the opposite, though,but as for Cecotto, he took his lumps and got hurt badly in cars,but got his flowers and his titles on two and four wheels.
Which makes me wonder, we have Cecotto and Surtees,but what about the opposite. How many four wheel champions switched to two wheels?Michael Schumacher was testing a Superbike in the mid 2000s but nothing came of it,so |I'm curious how many four wheel champions made the switch to motorcycle racing
@@TheBeehivePaddockeverybody remembers super touring cars very fondly of the late 90s, and given he won thr German Touring Car Championship (STW), you can see that he's highly rated in that world as well. It honestly caught me off guard when I saw his name here, I thought it was a different Johnny lol (coming from someone that hasn't watched a single moto GP race in full, but simply enjoy your videos).
Cecotto thumbnail brought me here. I learned all about his racing background when I was looking for a historic DTM livery to use on my amateur series E30 race car. When you look deeper into just how good he was on both 2 and four wheels, it’s not hard to imagine that without the major crashes he had potential to beat anyone on any day- whether on 2 or 4 wheels- he was that good.
I only knew about Cecotto from touring cars, wasn’t even aware of his 2-wheeled exploits!
You missed Jeremy's 500gp podium on the Aprilia, after leading Rossi and Roberts.
2014 was a decade ago. That's quite a long time ago now.
Yeah, it seems crazy to think about and I'm not even that old yet, it doesn't seem that long ago until I think about where I actually was in 2014
Where is Alex Barros >:( JK nice vid m8!
I considered him but thought he was a little too well known for this video. If I make a follow up he's in it though, incredible rider!
@TheBeehivePaddock Behold the glorious hertiage of his late 2002 races with the rcv, so sad that yamaha and honda sucked that hard the following seasons and he is not particularly the most consistent rider.
I've been a fan of road racing of all type, motocross too, since the mid 60s. I'm ashamed that i don't remember hearing of Findlay. Yea, never heard of Ubbiali. He defiantly deserves to be recognized. No, haven't heard of Granath either. I remember Cecotto very well. And though these next 3 were never GP champions, they very well might have been. My first hero, Calvin Lee Rayborn II, who got killed just as he was coming on the GP scene. Rusty Bradley, killed just as he was emerging as one of the fastest racers. And then there's Bubba Shobert. His promising career cut short. How about a video on those who's career were cut short? I'm sure it would take several to fit them all in.
Great video that I enjoyed watching, but Jim Redman and Johnny Cecotto as forgotten riders ??? That's a bit of a stretch. I asked around my bike group and most people remember them. But then we're all at the older end of the age spectrum. Maybe that's the reason.
That's probably it. I'm basing forgotten off of what I see online a lot of the time in terms of discussion and my group. Obviously, I'm on the younger side, so my perception is just as skewed, but I almost never see these guys talked about online or by younger fans. (Well, apparently Cecotto is pretty famous as an auto racer, but that's not the focus)
Can you make a video about motogp decade recap like motogp in 2010s for example😊
That could be really interesting
@@TheBeehivePaddock yes
Pedrosa, Biaggi, Mamola, Dovi and Gibernau. as future subjects for such videos?
I thought I knew mucho about GP riders careers and Wold Champions,,turns out I do not !! Yeah I learned something,,,, My only claim to fame is I went to Daytona 1976. Iv subbed
I'm so jealous! A 70s Daytona 200 is near the top of my list if I ever get a time machine lol
@@TheBeehivePaddock Must be my age ,,it was 77,,Stevie Baker won.... it was my 1st time in America ,,Great memories
I never knew there was an FIM maximum age limit. If you’re quick enough why does age matter?
Not sure of the actual ruling, but I have to assume it's a safety thing. Cognitive processing speeds go down and injury rates go up over time. I agree with you, nobody is going to employ someone in the modern day unless they're still capable of competing at a top level anyway, so it seems redundant.
Shane Byrne just won a multi million Pound lawsuit today, over the crash that ended his career in 2018...deserves every penny!
findlay drove also the Jawa 350 /4
KTM was never building engines for Proton. 🤔The engines for the KR3 were built by Modenas. At this time KTM built a 2-cylinder 4-stroke 1000cc engine, the RC8. All other KTM engines were single cylinder 2- and 4-stoke bikes. Single cylinder 2-strokes were build for the 125cc Championship competing from 2003 on. And in 2005 there was a 250cc race bike with 2 cylinders, but never a 500cc engine. And if JMcW laped only half a second slower than Mick Doohan, he knew a short-cut. 😆
But damn good content, thx
Please do a video 'bout Ex-Riders leading a race team like KR, Lucio Ceccinello, Jorge Martinez, Agostini, Nieto, Gresini, Rossi.....
cheers
Great info! My biggest blind spot is the technical side, it just goes in one ear and out the other for me no matter how much I try and learn. I never could have told you about the engine discrepancy.
I've been thinking about making a video like that, or just about riders who stayed in the sport in other ways like Simon Crafar.
2:00 "Linto"? was Bultaco?
Whichever class turns fastest lap times? IMHO? THAT is "The Premier Class" .....PERIOD!
John Surtees….only f1 and motorcycle world champion…..
Was never Knighted...speaks volumes...Glasgow's Jeff Ward,is the only other to come close, on 2 wheels and four!
Bill Ivy
Jaron Sarrieon and pat hennan
So many factors can deny the actual literal BEST rider from prevailing in whatever series including various things out of ones control or pretty much out of ones control including in no particular order one's natural overal health despite every effort to maintain that to maximum, crashes caused by others totally out of one's control as racde bikes dont even have a rear view mirror! Not to mention the comparitive abilities of the motorcycle one is stuck with (even blindsided by advances in competion no one saw coming!) which I include the budget and personnel available to tune and maintain such...how many individuals MIGHT easily have been world champion save one factor out of their control? Unforseeable things even ? You have to admit racing can always depend a bit (even quite a bit) on bold faced LUCK even defeating the best efforts of the most talented well funded best suported riders EVEN if unquestionably riding the very best motorcyce! File such things under "aint life an Fing b!tch sometimes?"
Emm... Any racers pre 2002 aren't MotoGP riders.....
I would love you to cover the KIwi Ken Newcombe who died racing at Oxford 1973 season after the clerk Vernon Cooper ( May burn in hell) refused to place hay balls in front of a wall at Stowe corner ! to much effort for him the prick! Kim developed from a 500 cc German Konig outboard motor a winning competitive machine. Such an unnecessary loss to gran pre racing RIP Kim
Never knew this is how Newcombe passed. I'm working on putting together entries for a follow up to my iceberg video, this will definitely go on my list.
@@TheBeehivePaddock Awesome he was such a talent and his death was so needless ,was odds on to be the champion
Will mir go down as forgotten?? He’s probably one of the worst champions no hate but he’s not even top ten in talent and barily was when he won
And also. I’ve met Jeremy McWilliams at a motoamerica event. He rides in a few classes there he’s even won a few races. Cool to see him still racing 😊
Well, he could be forgotten, but he's not one of the worst champions. In 2020, Mir won because of consistency (even though he was mostly lucky of Quartararo making mistakes), but still, Mir can contend, if he had the competitive bike and a bike that fits his riding style well.
but, since 2021, he fell off for some reason, maybe because of a big crash. But still, if Mir has that good bike, he can contend if he can get off that rust on him that got him in '22-'24.
I wasent saying he’s the worst as in he sucks. More like lucky. But being on Honda is a career killer at this point. I always liked mir but I just feel like there’s so much talent in motogp that he probably won’t get a chance on a better bike.
@@cadenruff2123 well in some or probably most cases he was lucky, but there were races where he is good in that Suzuki because the Suzuki was quick and fitted both his and Rins' riding style.
Jack Finlay, Gyula Marsovszky, Carlo Ubiali, Jim Redman, Bo Granath and Johnny Cecotto NEVER competed in MotoGP! Florian Camathias did not win the Dutch TT, he won the sidecar class of the Dutch TT in 1958. And when modern fans don't know them, as they don't know so many other great riders, then that's because they generally know nothing of motorcycle racing history!
Do you ride yourself? Show us your motorbike.
I do! I have a 2006 Harley Roadster for the road, and a YZ250 for the dirt, maybe I'll show them off in a future video
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Hi River
I guess I am predudiced and I am sorry but 50cc world champions just kind of fail to impress me...I mean a lot of that racing is dog butt slow! I am guessing the biggest danger was that tiny piston welding itself to the cylinder wall in a sweeper with unsafe runoff? Kinda almost glorified bicycles compared to fast classes? And while I loved me some smokers back in the day? 50cc expansion chamber sound track? downright annoying!
I get the sentiment, but also they still went well over 100mph and had competitive racing. I definitely value them the least among all championships when comparing, but they are still impressive to me