It's a minor thing, but I like how whenever you showcase a chess variant, you always demonstrate checkmate at the end specifically using some aspect of the chess variant's special rules being used to checkmate. In this video, you checkmate using the double knight, in the Chess Plus video, you checkmate using a combined queen/knight, in the Hostage Chess video, you checkmate by dropping in a hostage rook, in the Identity Theft Chess video, you checkmate by converting a castling rook, and so on. It's a very small detail, but I always liked it, and I'd imagine a not-insignificant amount of thought and creativity goes into thinking of situations you can create where you can utilize the variant's rules for an otherwise-impossible checkmate. Great work.
So that you can take twice the L. But in seriousness if I had to take an uneducated guess, knights are the most annoying pieces to face when used right but this setup seems to give everyone a bit more of an edge except the knights due to the wraparound movement. Giving you 2x the knights and allowing you to combine them to quickly advance an attack seems to allow it to be a bit more versatile.
@@prohunter717 well that's nice only until you realize that it is completely broken... you can literary go anywhere with them and once you want to take anything you split them. it is basically a piece that forces you to have 2 DEFENDERS as a single piece. that means for one of your moves your opponent had to do 2 moves and it make the whole game really unbalanced in favor of white
@@tracexcze5408 The knights are still limited in their distance like the pawns and the king. Everyone else can take full advantage of the cylindrical nature of the board. Plus when it is combined, you risk losing two pieces. Lastly, the opponent also has the same "broken" piece as you do. Which I think evens it out quite a fair bit.
The right and left pieces are easy to tell apart. After that, they could just flip the magnets in each set, so the left half from one knight would repel the right half from the other.
By keeping the two knights together, you can advance them faster to the opponent's side, until they reach a critical point, where you then split them apart.
Neat. I like the idea of the splittable knights, as it creates some very interesting tactics, and allows for some gambits that are not possible in traditional chess. Very tricky piece.
I don’t play chess (a cousin tried to teach me when I was much younger but I was something like 7 at the time, didn’t understand and immediately got bored lol) but I’ve spent the entire day binge watching your chess variant videos. Despite most of it going over my head or seemingly absolutely nonsensical, it’s turning out to be the most FASCINATING inspiration and story fodder, so thank you for that.
@@_xxisaiahwxx_5732 No, all the chess variants are made up by others, often as commercially sold products in the case of any variants that require non-standard boards/pieces.
@@jacpa2011 exactly! You take one end of cylinder and connect to the other end, leaving the hole in the middle which makes for a torus. For chess you'd probably want to rotate the home lines 90 degrees so that all of the pawn lines would face another player.
Some good points here. I would add, knights are also the weakest piece in terms of point value (GMs consider a bishop slightly better), so adding knights adds the least amount of material, but since the number of pawns and knights are doubled, a knight sacrifice to break open pawn formations becomes a more attractive tactic.
How do you tell which split knight half matches to which if you're in an endgame for example? (Since your B split knight can't join halves with your G split knight)
i doubt it has a massive bearing on the game. i'd allow letting halves cross for simplicity's sake. if anything it probably just adds more versatility to allow it.
Its a wierd rule, but Im guessing it was not planned from the start, but they had to introduce that rule when they realized the magnets only match with different poles. So you cant merge all knights. So even if you let them merge with all other knights its still will happen that they cant. you can just change place of two knights if it becomes a problem. So yeah, they should make them different in some way to tell them apart. Or they could make each half different in someway, a stallion and a mare or something. And allowing stallions matching mares with stallions only. Then it would add the tactic on wich of your knights you send where.
1:49 looking at the video, i think that, for each player, one set of knights have one groove each on the sides while the other set have two grooves each. commented this elsewhere already, but thought id put it here as well bc you had the same q:)
Just one question, if you split both of your knights how do you keep track of which half goes with which other half, since you're only allowed to recombine with the original pairing?
Chess already has a few situations where you need to remember stuff like this. For instance, you need to remember whether a king/rook has moved to know whether the player can castle. Or, when promoting a pawn, unless you have the right chess pieces lying around you need to use a placeholder object and remember what it is. My point is that not much has changed here - novice players can come up with placeholder solutions (turning the knights one way vs the other way), while high level players will remember whether they want to or not.
In most chess variants, you can castle horizontally, but not vertically. Also, I dunno if you are not allowed to remove *en passant* from this variant. You are not allowed to destroy the pieces, therefore they are always durable. Also, you may not spin infinitely, even though there are magnets on the pieces, because everything might fell off.
For the use of the double knight in case you're wondering: Can carry two nights quicker in area since it only requires one move Splitting the knight in one move girantees protection for both the knigths split since they will be both guarding each other
i feel like the double knight is a bit unnecessary, mainly in the sense that the cylindrical chess board is already a super interesting concept alone. i think one of the most interesting parts of chess is how simple the rules are. haven’t played this tho so i could be very wrong
...But how do you keep track of which knight belongs to which knight? If both of your joined knights split, they are not allowed to join with the "wrong" other split knights. Only, those look completely identical so there's no way to tell. Therefore, you may enter an invalid gamestate without realizing, making the game completely unplayable.
1:49 looking at the video, i think that, for each player, one set of knights have one groove each on the sides while the other set have two grooves each. you can kind of see it when you pause at the above timestamp:)
at 0:29 you can see that all the knights appear to have 2 grooves, maybe on the other side there is a difference but it would be nice to have a more pronounced way to distinguish them
Two sets of split knights overpowers the pieces and makes for confusing play (as others have pointed out, it's a real hassle to keep track of which splits belong to which whole). One split knight would be an interesting variation with perhaps a split bishop for balance. I would think this variation would become somewhat mooted by strategy that capitalizes on this over-power piece The cylindrical board would initially cause some distraction since you need to employ memory in order to not have to rotate constantly to see where one is. I suspect players would have a second flat board to reference. An interesting novelty but it seems more work than pleasure.
the fact you cant mix the 4 nights of one color sucks because thats something youd have to keep track off which chess shouldnt need, besides that seems fun and great video
How do you differentiate your split knights? Because as they look the same it might be easy to accidentally join with the other half from the other of your split knights.
i dont get why they modified the knights, the gimmick was supposed to be that you could continue around the cylinder, the double knights thing is out of place
There are way too many pawns for the number of squares on this cylinder chess.. Then 4 knights each.. so this version is designed more for direct head to head battle and speed.. before you playout your strategy .. because you can be attacked from both clockwise and anticlock
Can you move twice with a double knight?? You said in tandem, but then in every clip showing them joint together, you move them twice everytime. Or are you moving them once and then once again.
Next time, my friend says you’re playing checkers and I’m playing four dimensional chess. I’m gonna say you’re playing four dimensional chess and I’m playing three millennium chess
if knights cant join the other knight of same color, this can get confusing. like im sure its not that hard to keep track of, but it kinda a problem if you can come in to a game and have to normal knight but dont know if they can join each other. So ether joing knights of same collor should be fine, or someting should clear sign of them being different halfs of different pieces
There's a version of chess that I think I saw on kickstarter or something like kickstarter where pieces can share squares kind of like the knights in this version. It looked really cool because the pieces kind of entwined if they were on the same square like the were embracing. I had thought the name of it was Love Chess, but that is apparently an erotic computer game.... Does anyone know what it is? I can't find it by googling.
my question is is in the medieval age chess wasn’t a game it was a tool disguised as a game to teach people strategy in military tactics and probably politics and how to play the great game of politics so how would third millennium chest teach people to fight battles or to strategize or think strategically either in a military sense or a political sense
It's just a unique idea to make a money. There's nothing about politics in the documents of manufacturer charter. Formally everything is legal. If the owner has plenty of money, machinery and can hire the people who would execute the work for money, he'll make something up.
It's a minor thing, but I like how whenever you showcase a chess variant, you always demonstrate checkmate at the end specifically using some aspect of the chess variant's special rules being used to checkmate. In this video, you checkmate using the double knight, in the Chess Plus video, you checkmate using a combined queen/knight, in the Hostage Chess video, you checkmate by dropping in a hostage rook, in the Identity Theft Chess video, you checkmate by converting a castling rook, and so on. It's a very small detail, but I always liked it, and I'd imagine a not-insignificant amount of thought and creativity goes into thinking of situations you can create where you can utilize the variant's rules for an otherwise-impossible checkmate. Great work.
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It’s cool for more pieces to be in the variant, but
Why Knights?
So that you can take twice the L.
But in seriousness if I had to take an uneducated guess, knights are the most annoying pieces to face when used right but this setup seems to give everyone a bit more of an edge except the knights due to the wraparound movement. Giving you 2x the knights and allowing you to combine them to quickly advance an attack seems to allow it to be a bit more versatile.
@@prohunter717 well that's nice only until you realize that it is completely broken... you can literary go anywhere with them and once you want to take anything you split them. it is basically a piece that forces you to have 2 DEFENDERS as a single piece. that means for one of your moves your opponent had to do 2 moves and it make the whole game really unbalanced in favor of white
Probably since in traditional chess they're the hardest to reroute since they are a short-range piece
@@tracexcze5408 The knights are still limited in their distance like the pawns and the king. Everyone else can take full advantage of the cylindrical nature of the board.
Plus when it is combined, you risk losing two pieces.
Lastly, the opponent also has the same "broken" piece as you do. Which I think evens it out quite a fair bit.
@@prohunter717 what is your rating in chess?
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The chessboard:
so its a cylinder not a sphere
@@roboticgames2989 M-my life's been a lie? This entire time?
@@roboticgames2989 What? I thought the Earth was the shape of a velociraptor!
@@Epsi_Cron nah bro it's a donut smh
@@Chlorodude2 I disagree but still respect your beliefs.
To everyone saying "how can you tell which half knight goes with each half?"
Just point one double knight longways and the other roundways
The right and left pieces are easy to tell apart. After that, they could just flip the magnets in each set, so the left half from one knight would repel the right half from the other.
I thought it was a dictation error; and it really means no merging with the wrong color.
I think i'd just mark one pair. File a notch into the head or something like that...
Yes. Earth is shaped like a soda can.
Check 1:51
They have different color pallets, it seems
Wouldn't it be more beneficial if you keep the 2 knights separate? The splits knights and the double knight pieces don't really have a difference...
By keeping the two knights together, you can advance them faster to the opponent's side, until they reach a critical point, where you then split them apart.
you can move 2 times with double knight
if you wanna move both to another part of the board it might help to join them so that it takes you less moves
when they're joined they can traverse the map together in half the moves. if you're launching an attack this is beneficial.
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Double Knight is so cool piece
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The Double Knight Concept is really neat, you should sell those knights separately, for regular chess with spice up.
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what if the knight gets confused with another knight?
For those of us with a horse fetish UwU
Neat. I like the idea of the splittable knights, as it creates some very interesting tactics, and allows for some gambits that are not possible in traditional chess. Very tricky piece.
if you get angry after losing you can spin the board really fast and launch all the pieces
3d board flip
Or if you're celebrating a win that's also a valid move.
I don’t play chess (a cousin tried to teach me when I was much younger but I was something like 7 at the time, didn’t understand and immediately got bored lol) but I’ve spent the entire day binge watching your chess variant videos. Despite most of it going over my head or seemingly absolutely nonsensical, it’s turning out to be the most FASCINATING inspiration and story fodder, so thank you for that.
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i swear this channel loves making chess harder than it already is lol
Remember when ppl make mods to make already hard games harder?
Wait. This channel makes chess games like these??
@@_xxisaiahwxx_5732 No, all the chess variants are made up by others, often as commercially sold products in the case of any variants that require non-standard boards/pieces.
@@weebman9762ye and some mods which makes it easier
Now extend the cylinder around to a torus and make a 3 or 4 player variant
aka a sphere, theres no hole in the middle
@@jacpa2011 no a torus like if you extend the sides then connect them
@@EternaSoSleepy thats just a sphere pancake, a torus has a hole in the middle
@@jacpa2011 exactly! You take one end of cylinder and connect to the other end, leaving the hole in the middle which makes for a torus.
For chess you'd probably want to rotate the home lines 90 degrees so that all of the pawn lines would face another player.
@@veggiet2009 OHHHHHH now i get it
Some good points here. I would add, knights are also the weakest piece in terms of point value (GMs consider a bishop slightly better), so adding knights adds the least amount of material, but since the number of pawns and knights are doubled, a knight sacrifice to break open pawn formations becomes a more attractive tactic.
I like how the Rook can just go around the world
Queen can too!
Know me, I would revolve the game like a jack in a box a lot
@@DJruslan4ic nah not the queen 💀
It can, but it doesn't stop much to appreciate the view, and that's sad.
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This might be the most interesting alternate chess set I've ever seen.
How do you tell which split knight half matches to which if you're in an endgame for example? (Since your B split knight can't join halves with your G split knight)
You keep track of which knights were eliminated.
Though admittedly there should be some indication on the peices themselves for simplicity.
i guess mark them? idk
i doubt it has a massive bearing on the game. i'd allow letting halves cross for simplicity's sake. if anything it probably just adds more versatility to allow it.
Its a wierd rule, but Im guessing it was not planned from the start, but they had to introduce that rule when they realized the magnets only match with different poles. So you cant merge all knights.
So even if you let them merge with all other knights its still will happen that they cant. you can just change place of two knights if it becomes a problem.
So yeah, they should make them different in some way to tell them apart.
Or they could make each half different in someway, a stallion and a mare or something. And allowing stallions matching mares with stallions only. Then it would add the tactic on wich of your knights you send where.
1:49 looking at the video, i think that, for each player, one set of knights have one groove each on the sides while the other set have two grooves each. commented this elsewhere already, but thought id put it here as well bc you had the same q:)
Just one question, if you split both of your knights how do you keep track of which half goes with which other half, since you're only allowed to recombine with the original pairing?
It seems that one half is taller then the other
Chess already has a few situations where you need to remember stuff like this. For instance, you need to remember whether a king/rook has moved to know whether the player can castle. Or, when promoting a pawn, unless you have the right chess pieces lying around you need to use a placeholder object and remember what it is.
My point is that not much has changed here - novice players can come up with placeholder solutions (turning the knights one way vs the other way), while high level players will remember whether they want to or not.
@@antonliakhovitch8306 Your examples are super easy to keep track of, the 4 separate horse pieces on a cylindrical board however are not.
It looks like the models are different. One has eyes, the other doesn't?
One has eyes while the other doesn't and also the colour is slightly different
In most chess variants, you can castle horizontally, but not vertically.
Also, I dunno if you are not allowed to remove *en passant* from this variant.
You are not allowed to destroy the pieces, therefore they are always durable.
Also, you may not spin infinitely, even though there are magnets on the pieces, because everything might fell off.
For the use of the double knight in case you're wondering:
Can carry two nights quicker in area since it only requires one move
Splitting the knight in one move girantees protection for both the knigths split since they will be both guarding each other
I really love the splitting knights concept. they should be sold saperately too
The splittable knights are such a cool idea!
so cool to see you back!
How do you keep track of which half-knight goes with which?
Point one longways and the other roundways
*This is truly a beginners guide of what omnipotent beings play in their free time*
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i feel like the double knight is a bit unnecessary, mainly in the sense that the cylindrical chess board is already a super interesting concept alone. i think one of the most interesting parts of chess is how simple the rules are. haven’t played this tho so i could be very wrong
I've grown to love this guy tbh, he seems lovely!
How long until we get a spherical chessboard?
I give it 8 months, a year tops.
Actually, its already a thing
@@NoodleDoodleWasTaken Huh. Story checks out. Must have missed that video when it first went up.
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It could be possible to achieve checkmate with only the two knights on your side because splitting the two knights gives 4 knights output.
...But how do you keep track of which knight belongs to which knight? If both of your joined knights split, they are not allowed to join with the "wrong" other split knights. Only, those look completely identical so there's no way to tell. Therefore, you may enter an invalid gamestate without realizing, making the game completely unplayable.
1:49 looking at the video, i think that, for each player, one set of knights have one groove each on the sides while the other set have two grooves each. you can kind of see it when you pause at the above timestamp:)
at 0:29 you can see that all the knights appear to have 2 grooves, maybe on the other side there is a difference but it would be nice to have a more pronounced way to distinguish them
Or just put one set longways and the other roundways
They could flip the magnets in each set. Trying to rejoin the wrong pieces together would result in them repealing, rather than being pulled together.
Its a good idea but i dont think knights should split, however the design has to be changed because they face 1 direction.
This is the Chess 2 those Chess players have been waiting for years to come!
Does the split knight-half each have a move, like you can have 2 traditional knights each move once in your turn?
Two sets of split knights overpowers the pieces and makes for confusing play (as others have pointed out, it's a real hassle to keep track of which splits belong to which whole). One split knight would be an interesting variation with perhaps a split bishop for balance. I would think this variation would become somewhat mooted by strategy that capitalizes on this over-power piece The cylindrical board would initially cause some distraction since you need to employ memory in order to not have to rotate constantly to see where one is. I suspect players would have a second flat board to reference.
An interesting novelty but it seems more work than pleasure.
You can point one double knight longways and the other roundways
How i do checkmate if the board is infinite?
With enough pieces like you would checkmate someone in the middle of the bord or you use the a or h file for a checkmate like in a normal game.
It also looks like you could just play this with a special ( flat ) board if you wanted too, and just remember that it loops.
Q. How do you split a Knight?
A. With a Knife.
the fact you cant mix the 4 nights of one color sucks because thats something youd have to keep track off which chess shouldnt need, besides that seems fun and great video
But one is taller than the other
@@michelpetersen2032 thats a good point i didnt know that
Instructions unclear, revert to 2nd Millennium Chess
How do you differentiate your split knights? Because as they look the same it might be easy to accidentally join with the other half from the other of your split knights.
Maybe one has a horizontal lock and the other vertical?
i dont get why they modified the knights, the gimmick was supposed to be that you could continue around the cylinder, the double knights thing is out of place
How do pieces stay on the board?
There are way too many pawns for the number of squares on this cylinder chess..
Then 4 knights each.. so this version is designed more for direct head to head battle and speed.. before you playout your strategy .. because you can be attacked from both clockwise and anticlock
double sided knights... mind blown. It is a piece that can split itself and still cover itself.. the ultimate sacrifice piece.
Maybe make some kind of mark on the knight paires, so you know which one's are a pair.
Rule 1: You don't Play
The rules are the same as regular chess.
Dang it! Now I need a donut shaped chess game!
Can you move twice with a double knight?? You said in tandem, but then in every clip showing them joint together, you move them twice everytime. Or are you moving them once and then once again.
Next time, my friend says you’re playing checkers and I’m playing four dimensional chess. I’m gonna say you’re playing four dimensional chess and I’m playing three millennium chess
okay,but how do you check in king vs queen+king situation? or are kings unable to cross borders
Force the king to the side. In normal chess you have 4 side of the board, then in this kind of chess you still have 2
Now thats a cool chess board.
Time to play this
Now I have a reason to say I didn’t see that one bishop😂
Ah yes, i destroy the laws of gravity chess
Bro it kinda looks so trippy
Awesome!
if knights cant join the other knight of same color, this can get confusing.
like im sure its not that hard to keep track of, but it kinda a problem if you can come in to a game and have to normal knight but dont know if they can join each other.
So ether joing knights of same collor should be fine, or someting should clear sign of them being different halfs of different pieces
This is in fact the third millennium right now. Correct advertising
If you split both knights near eachother, how do you know which knight's half belongs with the other half?
There's a version of chess that I think I saw on kickstarter or something like kickstarter where pieces can share squares kind of like the knights in this version. It looked really cool because the pieces kind of entwined if they were on the same square like the were embracing. I had thought the name of it was Love Chess, but that is apparently an erotic computer game.... Does anyone know what it is? I can't find it by googling.
my question is is in the medieval age chess wasn’t a game it was a tool disguised as a game to teach people strategy in military tactics and probably politics and how to play the great game of politics so how would third millennium chest teach people to fight battles or to strategize or think strategically either in a military sense or a political sense
It's just a unique idea to make a money. There's nothing about politics in the documents of manufacturer charter. Formally everything is legal. If the owner has plenty of money, machinery and can hire the people who would execute the work for money, he'll make something up.
Where can you purchase a chess set like this?
How are you supposed to know if you have the right half of a knight?
if only one knight of the double knight is in the board, can I promote to a solo one?
Thats sick
What's the point of keeping the split knights together?
You can get both halves to the other side of the board in half the moves than if they were split.
Why did they make these split -table knights instead of using normal knights?
We need a Magnus vs Hikaru game in this board
Splittable knights . . . this has GOT to bring up a Monty Python reference somehow . . . .
bro really checkmated using 2 knights
everyone talking about the knights what about the pawns? or definding /atacking from both sides?
why are there double knights? what is their purpuse? why cant they be just regular knights?
Him: the rules of this game are like chess except its not
My brain just exploded
So…why not just have 4 knights? What’s the advantage of having the knights joined?
"Back in my day we played chess in 4d"
Oh for the Emperor, I can't wait to Chess from 40 th milenium
the pawn just violently splitting into 2 creatures when they get to the finish line
It can’t end its turn on the same space…
*That doesn’t stop me from moving it around the world around the world*
That looks kind of cool.
Why specifically splittable knights? Why not also, say, splittable bishops?
The unique geometry gives additional mobility to bishops, queens and rooks, so the horse was made stronger to compensate
finally released chess 2
*people seeing this after finally leaning regular chess* : WAIT THERES MORE?
The simple fact that it's a cylinder makes me, an amateur chess player, WEEP.
Idk why but I'm binging these
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I was hoping the video would go into the history of the game.
Please add 5 below board games
What’s next! 4th millennium chess?
Imagine the chaos if you add a chess clock blitz time in this game and the game is reduced to mere seconds
This seems quite prone to draws. Perhaps kings shouldn't be allowed to cross the opponents king line?
Can the knight technically do fried liver whith only itselves?
How do the pieces stay on the board
Is this what they call knight boost
Man can play third dimensional chest and I still can’t figure out how pawns work.
now you have blind spot thank you for making it harder
joint knights is butsted... attacking the same square 2x through one move...
It's one of those silk spinning thingies.
So it's like playing 2 chess games at once
That seems to look fun