Still such a great voice...has always done Whitney justice and in this performance I think she embodied what we loved about Whitney's voice the most :)
Ang iba rito kung makapag comment kala mo sobrang galing sa pagkanta at know it all lahat sa music.. try nyo kaya mag concert kung papalakpakan ba kayo ng tao...pag sumikat na kayo saka kayo mag magaling.. i was there and witnessed how lani misalucha gave everyone a good show! Kudos ms lani! Ang galing mo!
Congatulations! Grabe! Bravo Miss Lani Misalucha! Bakit ngayon lang kita naapreciate?! Such a WORLD CLASS TALENT! Iba nga ang timbre ng boses mo, may class or sophistication, yun bang hindi mo ikahihiya na ipagmalaki. Honestly, I felt na naglevel-up din ang panlasa ko interms of music. Sana ikaw na pinakinggan ko at sinuportahan noon pa, anyway tulad ng sabi ko hindi pa huli ang lahat. :-)
I just recently watched the whole concert on ABS-CBN. All i can say is, i'm now a big fan. When you watch a concert, you don't watch out for flaws or vocal errors. Who does that? Unless it's your job. You want to be entertained! Well. It was really ientertaining. Some nunbers were even very moving. Lani could've done without Eric.
LANI, YOU ARE VERY VERY GOOD. TRULY, IKAW ANG PINAKAMAGANDANG BOSES AT PINAKAMAGALING NA SINGER. KAKAIBANG KLASE ANG BOSES MO. I LOVE YOU SO MUCH LANI. GOD BLEZ YOU ALWAYS AND MORE POWER...
The comments section is such a mess! Can't we all just learn to appreciate a performance? *Take note, this was also Lani's last number after singing for two hours straight.* If you don't like Lani at all in the first place, then why go to her video and even bother to leave a comment? In the end, you're actually helping Lani's videos get more views. I don't understand bashers' way of thinking. On the other hand, I do appreciate the different _objective_ analyses by people in the comments section who actually have knowledge about music and voice.
TRULY, IKAW ANG PINAKAMAGALING NA SINGER LANI. WALANG BINATBAT SILA SAU. KAKAIBA ANG BOSES MO KAHIT MATAAS , HINDI MO INUURONGAN AT MAGANDA PAKINGGAN ANG BOSES MO LALO NA SA I HAVE NOTHING NI WHITNEY HOUSTON. I LOVE YOU LANI...
Whatever they say, for me, Ms. Lani Misalucha is the best singer sa lahat ng mga kasabayan niya or ka-age niya, I'm talking at the present situation not the past, of course we should not forget the past, the accomplishments of each of them, but for me what is more important is the present because this is where we are living and enjoying music. :-)
KusanagiRai I agree with you. Buo pa rin ang boses ni Jaya at mataas pa rin. Ok din naman si Ms Jaya. Actually hindi lang sa Solaire for me ok si Ms Jaya, majority of her performances from the start until now I could say that she keeps on improving and more fierce. Nagiging mapangahas na nga siya umabot ng mga highnotes na hindi naman niya ginagawa dati. Ilang beses ng nanganak yan ha. Sana magkaroon sila ng concert together. Magiging very soulful yun. Very international ang dating, Lani and Jaya:-)
wein mark joseph Yup. :) Kapag gumaling yung reflux/GERD ni Regine pwedeng silang tatlo uli. Posible namang mawala yun. She's only in her mid 40s too. I'm positive age is not a problem. Also, she can still sing mezzo-forte to pianissimo (mid-loud to very low volume) with clarity. And her /ee/ vowel (a "tight" vowel) remains crystal clear for the most part. (Yung kay Lani medyo malabo. Not sure why.) These are signs that Regine's larynx itself is in good shape. Istorbo lang talaga yung reflux. And I've begun taking a liking to her low notes: watch?v=VQVsKu7YX2Q&t=1m5s Clean and clear. :) She still has a nice swing to her sound, too: watch?v=_p08Zkwf2ow&t=3m18s I think I underestimated her. lol. I wish them luck on their Ultimate concert.
Ang ganda talaga ng boses ni lani sa simula sa mga pahagod hagod mapapa wow ka goosebumps pero pag sa mataas na part semplang talaga, ewan ko ba kahit ano pilit ko....
Im a fan of both .. regine's vocal range and pitch is beyond compare pero let us not deny the fact na mas maganda tlga ang voice quality ni miss lani kaysa kay regine hhhe ..
First time to watch Lani in this concert and I must say she is really good. I'm a Regine supporter btw.. posted some vids in my channel. too bad I did not bring a good camera I just used my phone.. . super ganda ng sound ng concert at iba talaga pag may orchestra.
Mkpgcomment nmn d2 ei wagas ei. Basta ng-iisa lng ang ASIA'S NIGHTINGALE at ASIA'S SONGBIRD un n un. All I can say s performance ni LANI ay amazing at wow. Super gling nia at she nailed it very well
lani's strength is her ability to transition from her chest notes to headvoice. but it also marks her limitations and weakness as a vocalist. lani uses mostly her headvoice to cover up for notes which are not anymore accessible to her natural chest voice. also her upper chest notes are all belts, heavy, and forceful. unlike other powerbelters who have perfect command of their upper chest range, lani's upper belts have very limited dynamics. all her upper chest notes sounded loud and heavy and yelled, even throaty, with constant volume, with very little dynamics, flexibility, control, vocal fredom and resonance, and even emotivity. Take for example the parts where she belted "don't make ME CLOSE ONE MORE door" at 1:41 and the phrase "STAY IN. MY ARMS." Her voice drastically changed color. Her voice tightened, lost its volume and resonance and vocal freedom, and sounded constricted. Even her sustained belt at the last "NOTHING" at 2:20 sounded to tensed, strained, and unstable. Most of her belts here had a very yell-like quality around. Listen from 4:18 to 4:40. Her voice sounded tired, her notes more uneven and very tentative, and truth be told, there are quite a few desofinados there (4:19, 4:27, 4:33). in short, notwithstanding lanis limitations and weaknesses in her chest voice and range, she makes up for it through the use of her headvoice and her ability to most of the time transition seamlessly from chest to head, and vice versa. lani's appeal is that she offers a marked alternative to what other powervocalists are used to doing. she has a different take, but not better.
resiti velnur Interesting observations. However, I don't agree on several points. *You said: "[H]er upper chest notes are all belts, heavy, and forceful."* That's not quite right. She can back off when she wants to. watch?v=2qI_JYxI_nk&t=2m6s Listen to the "Oh" at 2:06. It's a thinned-out sound that relies on twang (narrowing of the epilarynx) and an open throat sensation for projection and resonance. It's not a full-out belt. watch?v=Z1fTITSXuZ0&t=1m34s Listen to "But I don't give a damn." It's a similar mode of phonation to the previous instance. In a manner of speaking, it's a very Beyonce-esque sound, as compared to the open-chested, Whitney-esque belts often attributed to Lani's singing. watch?v=BgH8Z3yMMfM&t=6m50s This one is a full-out belt, but still not "forceful". Once again, it relies on the piercing characteristic of twang and good closure, not excessive airflow and closure or extrinsic laryngeal musculature (yelling/forcing). watch?v=HIYslj9xEQQ&t=1m18s This shows Lani's ability to "cover" around her second passaggio. Listen to "love". Notice how it sounds like "laaaouv" as she approaches the top note (E5), as if the vowel is taking on a deeper shade. This is the natural covered sound that needs to occur around the passaggi ("bridges" of the voice). This is the natural result of correct support and a gradual (but inconspicuous) thinning out of the vocal folds, both of which encourage proper use of the sternohyoid muscle, which anchors the larynx and thus prevents it from ascending too quickly. watch?v=fV6r1G9wXi8&t=3m23s Now, listen to "mo ako." Past her second passaggio in the upper belting range, she reduces vocalis (thickening muscle) activity but maintains twang, resulting in a "mixed" sound similar to how a male rock singer belts in the upper 5th octave. The G5-B5 belting area is her weakness, because in that area she tends to thin out too much and therefore can rarely perform "convincing" belts. However, thinning out in that part of the range is necessary for healthy phonation. Her ability to do it is also proof that she doesn't yell up there. If she wants to belt that high, she need only learn to put a stronger "cry" or "pout" in that area that she already does. We also have to account for the idea that it's just Lani's style to sound big. After all, Whitney Houston and Barbra Streisand, two "blow-you-off-your-seat" belters, are two of her main influences. If someone like Patti LaBelle had been her primary influence, then maybe she would have trained different sounds and we'd be hearing a different Lani today. *You said: "very little dynamics, flexibility, control..."* Her riffs and runs around that area sound fine to me. :) *"vocal fredom and resonance..."* She sometimes has too much of a push (partly as a consequence of her style), but the idea that she has very little resonance is an utter lie. She has so much ring in her belting range: watch?v=WCtqThjyovQ&t=0m47s Listen to "all at ONCE." It's almost cavernous. Huge, but not pushed. Just resonant. When Angeline begins to sing her part, the difference is obvious. Listen to Angeline's "know" at 1:03, and compare it to Lani's "shows" at 1:06 (same note), for an example of the difference between a good/decent sound and a ringing, resonant sound. And that's just one example. :) *"and even emotivity"* A highly subjective observation. While it may be true that some don't "feel" her, I think many do. :) Relative to the prowess of stage actresses like Lea Salonga, however, it's true that Lani's expressiveness can be considered subtle. And I will concede that I have seen some Lani performances that felt emotionaly lacking. Then again, that could have been just me. *You said: "Listen from **4:18** to **4:40**. Her voice sounded tired..."* True. However, if you sense tiredness, then why do you attribute her vocal blemishes to general technical imperfections (such as "very little dynamics, flexibility, control")? The fallacy here is that you are using a performance where she is reasonably tired (this Whitney medley happened at the end of her 2-hr-15-min show, which featured a notably difficult set list) as proof of a very general claim. I do hear technical inefficiencies in Lani's singing (such as inhalation sounds and excess mucus), but your comments hardly tell me that it's any worse. After all, she DID work 5 days a week in Las Vegas and Hawaii for years, singing not-so-easy songs of different genres. She COULD NOT have gone through that phase as well as she did if her technique was significantly lacking. *You said: "[T]here are quite a few desofinados there (**4:19**, **4:27**, **4:33**)."* I don't hear any, except the totally negligible half-second flat at 4:19. :D I don't see any sense in that level of nitpicking, especially with regard to closing performances where the singer's voice is understandably tired. At any rate, I enjoyed sifting through your comment.
Thank you for sharing those links to me. Those are some of lani's best performances I have seen. This medley does not showcase lani's best at all. As I said, her belts here sounded tentative, constricted, and dearly wanting in resonance. to be blunt, this is a messy vocal performance. her power notes had no dynamics and little control. she sounded dry and unmelodic in her upper range. another bad song choice for her was chandelier. it only highlighted her vocal limits. her agility to shift placement did not do much to save her vocal performance for thay song. the first link you showed however missed the point. the part you were referring to was in full headvoice. there is little argumejt with respect to lani's ability to control her headvoice. as i said, lanis strength lies in her middle register or midbelts. the all by myself clip shows how lani can utilize her zona di passagio. it was a wonderful display of her vocal ability. i liked it. then again, it shows that lani's comfort zone in her belts ends somewhere within E5. That explains why when forced to sing and belt successive high notes her tonality and vocal color change, and she loses her resonance and vocal freedom. this medley shows exactly that. anyway these are the more difficult whitney songs. chandelier again shows that. all at once goes only as high as Eb5 and is relatively an easy song. lani can capitalize on her midbelts in songs like that and instead gets to highlight her strengths. Again lani is consistent in her midbelts but not when she starts to go higger than her D/E.
notice also when she sings and belts the higger notes, while the same notes remain forceful abd pushed, her vocal volume is reduced and the notes sounded pulled. it sounded constricted. she loses resonance and vocal freedom. i do not argue with you that that her midbelts are resonant with a warm ring to it. whitney loses the briggtness of her sound also when she goes higher than f5. but she retains her vocal consistency, color, vocal control, and vocal stability. i dont see these in lani's upper belts. at best, its a hit and miss for her.
you belabor lanis stint in vegas as somethibg that should already foreclose any question on her vocal stamina and technique, yet you were quick to attribute the "vocal blemishes" to the fact that lani is tired. this is just a 2-hr show compared to six days of vegas shows. my point was aside from the fact that lani was tired alread, this medley is also too tiring for her vocally. these songs are quite big and demanded a lot from her vocally. in simpler terms, it would sound too patronizing for one to simply attribute these vocal blemsihes to the fact that lani was already tired at this point. anyway i like that she can utilize her passagio. the queen of the niggt aria you gave me sounded like it had flats in her whistle notes, no?
resiti velnur *You said: "Thank you for sharing those links to me."* You're welcome. :) *You said: "her power notes had no dynamics and little control."* Dynamics is partly a stylistic choice. You speak as if it is purely technical. What evidence do we have that Lani simply didn't want less volume? I have already shown you instances where she eases off the gas pedal, proving that she, in fact, exercises a certain degree of dynamic freedom within the frequency range in question. :) *You said: "another bad song choice for her was chandelier. it only highlighted her vocal limits. her agility to shift placement did not do much to save her vocal performance for thay song."* Again, please explain to me how the way she sang it wasn't merely a stylistic choice but a technical limitation. :) (As a side note: I surprisingly liked her take on Chandelier. It doesn't really matter to me if she uses mix, flageolet, or whatever, as long as she sounds good.) *You said: "the first link you showed however missed the point. the part you were referring to was in full headvoice."* Except it isn't, at least in modern parlance. It's a full "mix." There is clear vocalis (chest) involvement there. *You said, on the All by Myself performance: "it shows that lani's comfort zone in her belts ends somewhere within E5"* This I agree with. *You said, on her upper belts: "at best, its a hit and miss for her."* This is something I can also agree with. :) It's important to note that this is different from your earlier claim: "Her upper chest notes are all belts, heavy, and forceful," in which case her upper belts are ALWAYS a "miss," at least in my book. She can do it. It's just that she can't always do it with ease, particularly when she tries to go fortissimo. *You said: "you belabor lanis stint in vegas as somethibg that should already foreclose any question on her vocal stamina and technique"* Nope. I mentioned Lani's work to suggest that her technique isn't as bad as you seem to make it out to be, not to preempt "any question on her vocal stamina and technique," the notion of which is immediately disproven by the very fact that we are questioning Lani's ability here and now. :D *You said: "my point was aside from the fact that lani was tired alread, this medley is also too tiring for her vocally."* Let's see. We're looking at two possible reasons this performance wasn't perfect: (1) it was done at the end of a particularly difficult concert, and (2) her technique is inefficient. You're suggesting the latter--that this sort of medley in and of itself is simply too tiring for her. Had she performed it at the beginning of the concert, don't you think there is reason to believe that she might have done better? *You said: "anyway i like that she can utilize her passagio."* She can actually go through at least 3 passaggi. :) *You said: "the queen of the niggt aria you gave me sounded like it had flats in her whistle notes, no?"* I don't think so.
Mkpgcomment nmn d2 ei wagas ei. Bsta ng-iisa lng ang ASIA'S NIGHTINGALE at ASIA'S SONGBIRD un n un....All I can s performance ni LANI amazing and wow. Super gling nia....
wein mark joseph I thought this is Lani's performance? Bakit and daming haters and bashers? If they think their IDOL is the best singer in the world, makuntento na sila doon! But for us Lani will remain a nightingale :D
sonny chan sila lang naman nagkeclaim na yung favorite nila ang best singer in the world. hindi nila alam pinagtatawanan sila ng buong mundong sinasabi nila.
Ms Lani Misalucha may not be a perfect singer, anyway wala ng perfect singer ngayon. May isa akong inasahan dati pero palyado na rin. KAY MS LANI MISALUCHA NA AKO, WORLD CLASS PA AT SUMISIPA PA RIN. PROVING THAT SHE STILL HAS IT. SAKA HINDI NAGPAPABAYA YUN ANG PINAKAGUSTO KAY MS LANI MISALUCHA. MARARAMDAMAN MO SA KANYA YUNG INIT SA PAGPEPERFORM. YUN BANG MARARAMDAMAN MO YUNG PRESENCE NIYA. HINDI KATULAD NG IBA KUMAKANTA NGA, HINDI MO NAMAN MARAMDAMAN. TRABAHO NA LANG KUMBAGA. HINDI KATULAD NI MS LANI MISALUCHA, TRABAHO DIN PERO MARARAMDAMAN MO YUNG PAGIGING SERYOSO NIYA AT SINCERITY SA WORK AT SA MGA TAONG NAGSUSUPORTA SA KANYA. I HEARD NEXT YEAR BALIK LAS VEGAS KA ULI MS LANI FOR SERIES OF SHOWS JUST LIKE BEFORE, PAG NATULOY, CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN AND KEEP IT UP!
Sotero Nepomuceno Well hindi ako satisfied sa I dont Wanna Miss a Thing niya. Bakit nga ba wala siyang full coverage nung I dont Wanna Miss A Thing niya nung February 14? May isa kaya lang putol....bakit kaya??? Malamang alam mo ayaw mo lang sabihin...Hmmmm????
alam mo base sa mga nababasa ko sayo..ikaw ang wlang alam sa musika...poor...tinataas mo yung sarili mo sa mga taong alam mo mas mataas ang utak kesa sayo??..hahaha dyos ko lord bakit may ganitong klase ng tao..
@@alphaomega6365 Lani is the queen of vocal dynamics. What I meant with my previous statement the likes of Regine, Sara, Angeline and some other singers di bagay sa kanila.
Try to compare yung versions nila ng "where do I begin" , makikita mo ang difference... Tingnan mo ang dynamics, continuously nagbibuild up mula sa simula until the end sa version ni Regine unlike kay Lani n parang same lang yung simula hanggang sa dulo.. Pro i have to say n gusto Ko si Lani kpag nagka classical sya, napapahanga nya ako.. Preho sila magaling at meron sila kanya kanyang style ng pag atake sa kanta.. But I still prefer Regine.
Actually both are just professional karaoke singers,Lea Salonga is the only Filipino artist that her name can be set with the greats, her tone, diction, control,resonance and pristine voice is unmatched with these two.
Why dont we just watch and listen. You all pretend to know this and that. One thing though, you dont know how to make a name like she did. So now, wheres the vocal abilities are you all taking about? You all look at the flaws. In the end, she earn a lot with her voice, whether its perfect or not.
+rjayiscool I know as Someone very close to Lani, it's hard for you to accept the fact that Lani's technique didn't improved that much as a "pop singer". And it's actually obvious in this video. Hirap Lang kayong I-accept. Lol And watching her other videos from this concert, i can confidently say that her chest voice is not "cooperating" well with her head voice. Be real. Very constant ang presence ng mga unpleasant notes at poorly phonated vowels. Ganyan na siya dati at ganyan pa rin siya ngayon. Nothing changed. Her strength is her headtone at pag-aaria niya kasi naaappreciate siya ng audience dahil you DONT USUALLY hear those songs in concerts. But to say her voice is UP THERE to be measured as a classical singer? And to compare her voice to the LEGITIMATE ONES? Funny! I don't think she can secure a "queen" role with that voice. Baka magwala si Mozart. Jowk Lang :))) KAKAIBA Lang talaga siyang pakinggan. Kaya mapapawow ka. Pero Kung Nakakarinig ka na ng classical singers you'll know that it's not really impressive. At Kung ang standard mo ay opera singers, singing perfectly ang labanan diyan. Di lalo ng wala siyang lugar dun. Buti pa nga si lm naka-mic yung mga napapakinggan ko unamplified voices. Lol Singing in headvoice doesn't make you a legitimate/classical singer on instant. Try niyo umattend at makinig sa mga nagvovocal training. Kahit sa mga choral singing group na nalaban abroad. You'll say that THERE IS NOTHING special with Lani's headvoice. Kung extraordinary talaga headvoice niya siguro naging standard din sia ng mga nasa vocal discipline na Ito. Pero dedma Lang. Di naman naging big deal sa pinas ang pag-aaria nia, singer or non-singers man. As for technique, Ni Hindi ko naririnig na nababanggit ang name ni Lani sa mga ganyang klase ng usapan here and abroad. Buti pa yung singer na sinasabi Mong nasigaw Lang nababanggit sa "singing success" website in a POSITIVE WAY kasi napapagkamalan na May training sa classical technique: "Correct technique is correct technique, regardless of the genre. Bruce Dickinson, Dio, Regine Velasquez, Mariah Carey and many other popular and successful Pop, Rock and Metal singers have all had training with classical technique." Pati ung ibang foreign voice teachers superlative praises ang binibigay Kay regine. They don't agree with your uninformed opinion on her! lol! How ironic, di ba? :))) Ayan ganyan ang nagquoquote. Hindi yung icocopy paste ang articles about other singers tapos iaapply sa voice ni lm kahit Hindi naman for her ang analysis na un. Hindi naman binabanggit na ganun din si lm. NKKLK! Hahaha! Maswerte Lang talaga si Lani kasi nga walang ibang pop singer na gumagawa ng mga pag-aaria na yan sa atin hahahaha! Pero Kung ihahanay mo si lm sa mga legit singers nope you are giving her more credit than what her headvoice can actually offer. Kawawa naman ang mga legit singers who worked a lot to REALLY improve their instruments and be able to sing perfectly. There is no perfect singer but there are singers CAPABLE of perfection. Nababasa ko na dati ang mga comment mo at maraming taon na rin naman ang nagdaan. ikinagaling ba ni tita Lani mo ang pag-eexaggerate mo sa talent niya at ang panglalait mo Kay regine. Parang Hindi naman. :))) THE EQUATION REMAINS THE SAME! :D
Lani's voice may not be perfect but it offers variety and people tend to like that. at the end of the day, it really is just a matter of preference right? some like distinct, dark, soulful voice, some like thin, high pitched sound easily mimicked by trannies diba? LOL :D Lani vs Regine will be a NEVER ending discussion unless some Regine fans would stop shoving Regine down people's throats (just like what happened here) Bottom line is, There is a reason she is up there singing and you are behind your keyboard trying to discredit her talent :D
wein mark joseph oh you're still alive. hahaha! well regine even with acid reflux is still doing her usual Regine flair and singing much much cleaner while this idol of yours is still out there murdering songs we love. Her problem is not just on one note or two. but note for note. hahaha after 15secs expect mo na ang mala-payatas niyang rendition hahaha
Ha ha! Flair??? baka Fail? I saw the recent performances of Regine, and I am still not satisfied with those performances. No More highnotes puro sigaw na lang, gasgas pa. sorry.. I stil prefer The Nightingale Ms Lani Misalucha and also Ms Morissette Amon
hahaha? amon's regine medley was a little better than lani's continuous struggle in singing regine songs but lets be real ang dami rin niyang sablay. at such a young age maraming beses na siyang kinakapos. nawawala rin siya sa tono and the high notes are not that strong. I admit may mga malinis naman siyang performances pero may 30% possibility na sasablay si amon sa isang song at least its much better than lanis 90% possibility na sasabit sa isang performance. hahaha No more high notes? puro sigaw na lang? may gasgas? tama ka you're just watching, you are NOT listening well. ay flat nga at wala sa tono hindi mo alam e. hahaha! Regines recent performances are not even worth comparing to this trashy version of Whitney songs. Ang daming sablay pero sabagay eto ang version mo ng world class hahaha hahaha
Charlie Chaplin for me mas maganda ito, kasi may touch of elegance. pero mas maganda ang stage ng silver kaysa dito. baka stage lang hindi ang entire production he he.
Lani's "elegance" primarily comes from the dark quality of her voice. There's a reason Pavarotti calls the dark timbre a "noble sound". Also, Lani's dynamics, head voice, and ability to bend notes (glissando) are topnotch. Minsan unti unting tumataas, unti unting bumababa, unti unting lumalakas, unti unting humihina. Parang hinehele at dinuduyan ka, at parang "pumapahid" sa mukha mo ang boses. A bigger OPM diva than Lani notwithstanding, Regine doesn't exercise as much stylistic freedom. Her low notes are often weak, her head voice too nasal or whiny, and her mid belts "yarly" (due to tongue tension). At times her audience is forced to wait for her high belting, because that's really the only highlight of her singing. Now, even THAT has become rather problematic thanks to her acid reflux.
Standing ovation lang naman mga tao sa performance ni regine, haha kung di maganda, bnat mas maraming tao dun kesa dito? Bat mas maraming humahanga sa NAG IISANG REYNA!! nyahaha at bat kaya las year NANALO ANG SIVER CONCERT NI REGINE, sa BEST CONCERT OF THE YEAR?? nyahaha lumipad pa yan ha. Habang bumibirit, piling song lang kaya ni lani. Si Regine kahit ano, from highnotes to highest notes! Kung nakita mo lang yungpag kanta ni Regine sa CAGAYAN DE ORO ng pangarap ko. Ang ibigin ka. Mapapanganga ka talaga imbis g5 nilivel up nya ng bb5 !! Partida may acid reflux pa! Hahaha
ForEighteen si regine pa talaga ang nasal at whiny? Parang si lani ang madalas out of tune ever since, dinadaan nalang sa headtone pang di abot ang note
Mas maayos naman di hamak yan kesa sa mga unang Silver Concert nya. Dinaan na lang sa paiyak iyak. Partida nandito lang sya sa pinas pero flop yung concert nya. Eh di ba pumiyok din yan si Regine sa Araneta nung sinigaw nya yung Shine nya hahaha
@mark Joseph: bukod sa ability in Regine ng pag hit ng high notes using her natural voice eh May Iba pa n Meron advantage sa boses ni regine over Lani.. Mas CONSISTENT si Regine Kay Lani sa pag hit ng notes.. Madalas am off key si Lani; si Regine kahit mabasag ang boses nya ngun ,dahil sa acid reflux, eh nasa tono pa din sya. Regine's voice is angelic and very feminine, to the point n kahit mataas na eh pra kang hinehele.. Tunog anghel kahit mala trumpet na sa taas..
Consistency? Maybe ur talking about "before" nung nasa condition pa boses niya. Im talking about the present sir. Mahehele ka pa rin ba kung garalgal na maririnig mo? for me marami na ring namimissed na notes si Regine, especially sa higher notes, duon kasi lumalabas yung malat, kaya napapansin ko sa kanya nagiging maingat na siya sa highnotes, hindi katulad dati bitaw kung bitaw, sigaw kung sigaw, ngayon wala na.
Hmmmmm.. Regine's voice may not be on its tip top shape pero kahit mabasag boses nya eh nasa tono pa din sya based sa mga narinig ko n recent performances nya.. Nwy, yan ang isa sa mga pwedeng isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit mas naging sikat si Regine kay Lani, perfect pitch si Regine, sharp ang pandinig nya.. eVen before sa back to back ng SOP mapapansin mo kung gang kalends kumanta si Regine, whilst si Lani hung time n jun eh may mga missed notes na at dinadaan n lng sa ad-libs. Regine's low and middle tones are very soothing… Kahit di sya bumirit eh maappreciate mo.. even now, andun pa din yunng sweetness ng voice nya.. lumalabas lng nman yung hoarseness kpag sobrang birit… di lang high notes, di gaya nang sinasabi ng iba, ang pede mai offer ng boses ni regine
Miguel Lopez tulad ng sabi ko baka "dati" yun sir, im talking about the present times. kung may tenga si Ms Regine, definitely may tenga din si Ms Lani Misalucha, sootheness...meron din niyan si Ms Lani Misalucha :-)
Miguel Lopez Then why don't you put your comments on Regine's video? Regine has nothing to do with this performance first and foremost. Don't you think that it is CIVIL to appreciate someone's performance without comparing it with anybody else's?
+rjayiscool actually what's happening here is some Lani fans like you being delusional and giving an impression that there is nothing wrong with this MESSY performance and some misinformed voice observers/lm fans praising Lani's technique and downplaying Regine's. Yun ang SHOVING! PILIT isinaksak ang mga vocal abilities and descriptions na Hindi naman Sukat Kay Lani para Lang masabing mas magaling siya in terms of vocal quality and technique. May mga nabanggit naman akong positive points ni lm di ba? As an entertainer interesting naman siya. Magimik sa stage. At May mga nakakaappreciate nun. Yun nga Lang if we talk of technique, Hindi talaga worth it pagdiskusyunan ang kapasidad ni Lani. Even without resorting to comparison, even without regine in the picture, Lani's vocal flaws can easily be detected. I'm not here to "shove RVs name down peoples throat". Lol She doesn't need it (part of her charm haha) plus I am not like you. You've been consistently discrediting Regine's talent for years now and overpraising Lani. Ngayon nga Lang kita pinatulan e! Lol! Thank heavens, konti Lang naniniwala sa yo hahahaha! Why? Kasi paulitulit Lang sinasabi mo against regine habang paulitulit na nangmamurder ng song si Lani. #kamot-ulo :)))) Though I understand you being so passionate about Lani kasi Kamag-anak mo siya. :)) And i must admit na kundi ka nagmayabang dito Baka Hinayaan ko pa kayong mabuhay sa ilusyon niyo about Lani's technique and vocal skills, like before. E kaso akala mo naka-Mina ka na Kay kusanagirai. tumaas agad ang kayabangan mo. Nanghamon ka agad. :))) E wala ka naman palang kapasidad na intindihin ang accuracy at correctness ng mga dinidiscuss niya. Porket pabor Kay Lani at magandang pakinggan kahit googled materials Lang naexcite ka kaagad. Hahaha! Ni Hindi mo nga kayang isupport ang mga naresearch niya. Lol! Lani's technique pala ha? Susmio!!! Hahahaha hahahaha saka ang mga Reginians Hindi man mahilig sa vocal pedagogues matatalas ang tenga ng mga yan. Hindi mo maloloko tenga Nila kahit magsabi ka pa ng Latin words hahaha! Kahit nga si regine Hindi nakakalusot kapag May Sablay. E di LALO na si Lani na Sobrang OBVIOUS and definitely VERY frequent for a pro ang presence ng mga poorly executed notes. Gewang, flat, unpleasantly phonated vowels, etc. Sa Totoo Lang, Wala pa akong napapanood na performance niya na 100% perfectly EXECUTED ang mga notes. Hinihintay ko nga ang link ni kusanagirai wherein she displayed perfect vocals. Kaso naghahanap pa yata siya hahaha! anyway, happy holidays sa inyo. :D
AGAIN, where and when did I say that this performance was flawless? AGAIN, this is the finale of a 2.5 hour show and her voice was obviously not in its tip top shape after singing for 2 hours (yung iba nga opening palang lost na ang voice LOL) And YES, I am guilty of dissing Regine in the past, but please let me know if you ever saw me start the dissing first OR if I ever dissed Reg in HER videos. Truth is, some RV fans find the need to post on other artists' videos and say sh*t like "Regine can sing it higher, Regine's better" Blah blah blah...Most of them can dish it out, but can't back it UP hahahaha And yes, you may have the upper hand because you are such a musical genius, (and can make shit up easily LOL) but that doesn't make you a better listener because you are BIASED, :D You're making it sound like Lani shouldn't even be singing. AGAIN, there is a reason she is up there singing and you are just watching LOL!!! Happy Holidays to you too! =D
the marked limit in lanis stylistics, range, flexibilty, and stamina is also shown in her rendition of chandelier. I think it was a bad song choice and did not suit the nuances in her vocals and range.
+rjayiscool you know I'm just stressing the obvious flaws you guys are so defensive about. some of you are even trying to bend facts to hide Lani's weaknesses- an imbalanced instrument and messed up technique. You can call me biased and all but what I'm saying here are backed by numerous performances where LM mishandled a lot of notes and even SERIES of notes, mababa man o mataas. An indication that there is an Improper coordination of the head and chest voice. Common sense. Kaya nga sure ako sa bagay na yan kasi common sense Lang ang kelangan :))) even if she sings this live in her top condition, In this arrangement and requiring the SAME register demands, there will still be some unpleasant notes. Maayos ayos pa nga Ito sa ibang perfs niya. To think ang messy na Neto! Hahaha! Tingin ko lahat ng LM vids na napanood ko halos LAGI siyang wala sa kondisyon :))) I wouldn't really compare Regine's vocals to Lani. They're far from each other In terms of tone. and there's definitely a BIG difference in technique. Any SANE voice teachers can easily SPOT THE DIFFERENCE. Hahaha hahaha yung mga sinasabi Mong praise about RVs high notes. Maliit Lang na aspeto yan ng vocal abilities ni regine. But I'm not here to boast what she can do. I'm here for you and your friends hahahaha Of course LM is there singing, ENTERTAINER nga siya e. Hahaha! Aiai, Daniel P can even fill araneta WITHOUT postponing oops! :)) As you can see, You don't really need superior vocals para makatapak sa araneta stage. Kaya nga nakakaperform din doon si Lani. Hahaha! Seriously, lol, HINDI sa VENUE/STAGE MASUSUKAT ang pagiging MAGALING NA MANG-AAWIT ITS HOW YOU RELEASE EACH NOTE to create a MELODIC and EMOTIVE SOUND suitable to the demands of the song. Si LM Para kang nakasakay sa Asian spirit, matagtag, nagewang, parang magcacrash anytime. :))) at kumbaga sa driver Hindi smooth magchange gear :))) yung mga skilled singers talaga, Hindi naman ganyan. I mean for a pro medyo nagtataka ako bakit ganyan siya kumanta. :))) Again, MAHIRAP LOKOHIN ang tenga ng Tao lalo na Kung tenga ng mga Reginians. I'm a reginian but I have neutral ears and I can be very objective chos hahaha! Pumupuri naman din ako kapag May kapuripuri. At May ibang classical and pop singers naman ako na gusto bukod Kay RV. BUT I will NOT LIE para Lang HINDI masabihan na bias ako. :))) e sa wala pa akong NAKIKITA na video ni LM na perfect vocals siya. Wala ding gustong magprovide ng links para naman makapagmenor ako sa aking opinyon haha. No matter how much we keep our eyes close to things we don't want to accept? Our ears will only be more sensitive to flaws. There's indeed MORE convincing reasons why the standard of LIVE singing in the Philippines or anywhere else is NOT Lani. :))) Kaya wag ka masyadong Balat sibuyas sa opinyon ng ibang Reginians at magyabang rjay! Maybe what they're telling holds more merit and has a degree of truth to it. You can give sky high praises on LM kahit nawawala na siya sa tono, but you don't expect others to do the same. Bakit ka magagalit sa mga nagpapakatotoo Lang? #kamot -ulo ang nakakatawa pa nagmamalaki pa kayo about technique na Hindi naman NAKIKITA sa video na Ito. :))) at nanghamon ka pa. Sa susunod wag ganun! Napapasagot tuloy ako! Hahahaha hahaha I'm sure There are others better than me but I am 100% sure na mas marunong ang tenga ko sa yo! Namaaaan! :))) Hindi ko kayang ipagmayabang ang performance na eto. Susmio! Hahaha hahaha Masyado Lang mataas ang tingin mo Kay TITA Lani mo kaya nagagalit ka. :))) Pero actually tama na yung maging thankful na May nakakaappreciate sa kanya. Quite frankly, You don't shoot down BETTER singers. it will NOT help LM, vocal wise.
The fact that some demented Reginians keep claiming that Regine is the treasure trove of vocal perfection is pure BS (di papayag si Mariah niyan hahahahahahahaha!) And shoving it down people's throats is a big NO-NO! Why can't fans just enjoy videos of their favorite artists? And YOU keep replying with the same biased bullshit over and over and OVER again LOL! There is no point on providing you with anything because you only hear what you want to hear and then you will go on again with your biased BS rambling :D And I agree that Lani's voice isn't the standard in PI music and there's only a few with the same timbre as her voice but I'd rather listen to her than a whole bunch singers who ALL sound alike diba???!! If your voice is easily mimicked and you have SO MANY sound alikes, What makes you so special? Hahahahahahahaha! You keep saying i'm related to Lani (totally not true, but that'd be totally cool) but go on and keep saying it :) I love it and it makes me feel fancy :D Happy New Year! =D
rjayiscool I totally agree with you. Same answers, same defense. We are just being true with our opinions and observations. For us Lani Misalucha is a better singer. I don't know why other people cannot accept that, as if we are forcing them to agree with us. If they think Regine is better, so be it. But again for me Lani Misalucha is a better singer, more than the high notes, more than the "achievements". We just love Lani because she is simply Lani Misalucha, that's it. No more no less
hahaha! is Lani a singer? she's just an entertainer. kaya wag ng magtaka kumbakit kahit anong pakulo ni henares dati HINDI TALAGA mabenta masyado ang albums ni LM. Hindi naman siya kasing busy ni regine pero 90s pa lang ngarag ngaragan na ang boses at madaming notes na hindi nasasapol ng tama. ano ba naman yan hahaha
Lani Misalucha is an entertainer and a singer. Admit it or not. And siya nga pala di ba napasama siya sa ULTIMATE CONCERT? I believed you know the meaning of the word ULTIMATE. Kung sila Regine, Martin at Gary nga kinikilala si Lani as a singer, tulad din ng pagkilala ni Lani, kina Regine, Gary at Martin, ikaw pa kaya? Kasi kung kinukwestiyon mo si Lani, it means you are questioning also Gary, Martin and your favorite Regine. ha ha. Be true to yourself. Maybe you just hate Lani, wala na akong magagawa diyan. Alam mo siguro nga hate mo si Lani, kasi siguro nagagalingan ka sa kanya, kasi kung balewala sa iyo ang talento ni Lani, hindi ka manggalaiti ng ganyan.
+KusanagiRai no matter how you try to sugarcoat your comments with googled articles, attack my reading comprehension and spin the argument to suit your self serving assumptions, it doesn't change my impression that you are talking of things that you DO NOT fully understand. knowing the meaning of passaggio (saulo ko rin yan lol) is an easier task than determining it accurately. You telling us that more "likely" E5 is LM's passaggio and being quick to add more assumptions out of it is already an indication that you DONT KNOW what you are talking about. Lol Further, you thought mixing classical and pop singing is acceptable. when in fact there are reasons why its a big no-no. Take for example LMs somewhere wherein bigla siyang nag-aria. Gumanda ba? Sobrang SAGWA di ba? Sirangsira yung kanta! Kahit kaninong voice teacher mo itanong they will NOT suggest this kind of practice! Because if that is so, pwede ng silang magretire lahat. Kung totoong music student ka dapat alam mo yan. It's not negotiable lol! Napakabasic dude haha! Worst, you don't even know the meaning of blending of registers. You thought its just simply mixing the head and chest voice. While blending of registers takes a truly gifted instrument and lots of hardwork to achieve. Because we are talking of covering the WHOLE range where a singer can produce a balanced and consistent sound. Lol! Sabagay, LANI doesn't have it even in a less stricter sense. The result? pabagobago timber niya kapag nakanta. So yeah it's understandable why YOU FIND IT HARD TO DIGEST! lol And you are talking of stylistic preference to hide a more obvious fact that Lani's instrument cannot produce a desirable "pop" sound. Pangkundiman (or sige non-legit aria) talaga ang natural built ng boses niya. It's not As if she can choose. And since you love comparison I am 100% sure that She doesn't have that deep chesty yet consistent beautiful sound of Whitney during her prime. And it's evident in this video. She doesn't possess the vocal ability to give justice to a mariah song. She doesn't have d support, control and skills Pavarotti enjoyed. And IF IM TO NITPICK, I have yet to see her execute a song perfectly. Lahat ng live perf niya na napanood ko Laging May note/notes na SABLAY. If you happen to have an idea where she displayed perfect vocals IM DYING to watch it. Coz the links you're providing here are giving us more reason to believe that her voice is not UP THERE to be worthy of a serious technical discussions. Lol Lani has accomplished a lot with that voice. May mga naloloko din naman siya. Jowk Lang! Haha! Leave it at that and be thankful! But to describe her singing skill and her instrument as something that it is NOT? And applying vocal descriptions and theories you just read on the internet to make an impression that Lani's voice possessed such traits or to neatly "launder" her flaws? Please!!! We are not that stupid! Finally, you claim to know her flaws but you're obviously DENYING the cause of it. And oh! The "mucus excuse" literally made me roll on the floor laughing. I can't believe you'll go as low as that to hide Lani's vocal limits. In my honest opinion, she's NOT as skilled as you want to believe and the instrument itself is INCAPABLE of handling register demands that require different levels of chest adjustments. Hindi kelangan ng google at books! You don't even need dozens of singers to understand her voice. COMMON SENSE at acceptance pwede na. Haha
+KusanagiRai if you need help in determining parts of this video that shows Lani's vocal flaws then stop pretending that you are some sort of vocal pedagogy expert. Every singer can mix their head and chest voice. Its more of instinctual. You say that LM can mix beyond her 1st and 2nd passagi. To start with do you even know where LMs passagio lies? How did you measure it? Even voice teachers nagkakamali pa in measuring their students' passaggio. If you can't even determine the flaws in this video how can you determine LMs 1st an 2nd passaggio. I wonder. Lol! Besides LM is not really a legit classical singer where technical imperfection is not welcomed nicely. Since this is a pop song. Let's just use the term break and defer the necessity of using terms that are actually applicable to classical singing. May nagnonosebleed na dito. Kawawa naman haha! As for the "mix and blending" argument. LM can mix like any other singers, but most LM videos I have watched already showed evidences that there is an imbalance activity between her two registers. her chest dominant notes are usually shaky and sometimes you can't hear certain notes she should be hitting, there is no beauty! Laging Pagalit at Minsan installment basis pa ang bagsak ng mga notes! Lol! an indication that the pulling function of her headvoice is lacking and the engagement of chest voice is improperly executed. When she tries to apply her headvoice, the chest voice is almost non-existent to the point that she sounds like a different person. That is NOT blending! Blending of both registers is where you can achieve consistent tone as if there is NO break. This is the very flaw of Lani's vocals. She cannot work on her breaks. That's why when she change registers esp. From head to chest, MADUMI. Tapos ikaclassical pa? It's like hearing 2 to 3 persons singing without connection. blending or mixing doesn't work like that! If you are a music student you prolly know already that mixing pop and classical singing in a single vocal performance is major NO-NO. Lol! Trained and/or professional singers don't do that! It shows the difference between a mere ENTERTAINER AND A LEGIT DIVA or VOCAL ARTIST! Further and contrary to what you are trying to feed us, Lani's voice even at C5 lacks the metallic quality of a true belt. If she tries to add a little more power to it, gegewang na naman. The characteristics of Lani's instrument is NOT meant for belting where chest voice dominates. I maintain that she sounds beautiful doing those headtones but to say she has balanced registers? I highly doubt that. Her vocal performances in this concert shows clear evidences that there is no blending of registers where a singer plays her instrument like a piano. Ung kanya Kung saan saan nanggagaling. Kaya messy pakinggan. And you are mentioning Pavarotti with Reference to Lani singing Whitney song? How more messed up is that? Lol! You analyze a singer based on what the instrument is ACTUALLY giving you to appropriately measure its capabilities and not based on comparison and definitely not by applying facts that is EXISTENT to other singers but not to LM.
Abc Music *You said: "if you need help in determining parts of this video that shows Lani's vocal flaws then stop pretending that you are some sort of vocal pedagogy expert."* Wait a minute. LOL. I never said that. You were saying: "how come you find it hard to see the obvious vocal flaws?" This implicitly assumes that we DID NOT see the flaws. So in response I asked you to point out were anybody claimed her performance to be flawless. In other words, the notion that I'm finding it hard to see the flaws in her Whitney medley is incorrect because I DO see the flaws. Get it now? I never claimed to be an "expert,' either. That is solely an ill-founded assumption on your part. :) *You said: "To start with do you even know where LMs passagio lies? How did you measure it?"* Read Richard Miller if you want a good starting point. You could also try "Singing, The Mechanism and the Technique." by William Vennard if you're really into this. There is also a lot of pertinent scientific journals available on the NCVS website. You will find there is about a half-octave gap between two passaggi, at least in many cases. At the moment, I have no interest in discussing the particulars. Anyway, I have been listening to Lani for a number of years now. I'm quite sure where her voice naturally "covers" in the 5th octave: around E5. Covering is a vowel-deepening phenomenon that should naturally occur around the passaggi. Otherwise the sound might sound quacky, splatted, strained, or it simply breaks. Here, Pavarotti demonstrates switching to a covered sound around his passaggio at F#4: watch?v=uo6dDQiBGyI Here, Lani ascends to E5. Listen to "love" and notice how it begins to sound like "laaaouv" as she approaches E5. This narrowing or darkening of the vowel is the covering effect taking place: watch?v=HIYslj9xEQQ&t=1m18s In the following clip, American tenor Rockwell Blake talks about the cover (which he calls "dark timbre") in greater detail: watch?v=2oZ2AcaPb7o Above E5 is also where Lani tends to flip to head voice. Flipping registers/breaking is common around or above the passaggi. Incidentally, upon Miller's observations, the second passaggio occurs around Eb5 to F#5 in mezzo-soprano and soprano voices. Lani's E5 runs smack into that area. Therefore, I'd say it's likely that her 2nd passaggio lies around E5. :) *You said: "Laging Pagalit at Minsan installment basis pa ang bagsak ng mga notes! Lol!"* And, as I said, these rough notes seem to happen around F#5. Around that area, she often has to either blast it out or sing in pure head voice. :) *You said: "That is NOT blending! Blending of both registers is where you can achieve consistent tone as if there is NO break [...] This is the very flaw of Lani's vocals. She cannot work on her breaks. That's why when she change registers esp. From head to chest, MADUMI. Tapos ikaclassical..."* Not sure what the problem is. I merely qualified your "blending argument" and stated where the blending problems actually happen, as far as my observatons are concerned (around F#5). Nobody's denying the problem at all. *You said: "mixing pop and classical singing in a single vocal performance is major NO-NO."* It depends on whether it sounds good and fulfills the performer's musical desires. Lani's Queen of the Night/Diva Dance mash-up sounds cool to me. Outside the cloistered environments of strict stylistic traditions such as bel canto, it doesn't matter if you want to cry, sob, creak, use head voice or flageolet or animal sounds, scream, or combine any of these effects in your performance, as long as it's what you really want to be doing and you feel you're expressing yourself properly. In contemporary performance, your "no-no's" are unnecessary and arbitrary limitations. watch?v=hjEsQWoBU_o In art, the sky is the limit. :) *You said: "Trained and/or professional singers don't do that! It shows the difference between a mere ENTERTAINER AND A LEGIT DIVA or VOCAL ARTIST!"* Sorry, but I have no interest in your opinions on "real singing" or "legit divas". My interest, as far as your initial comment is concerned, is only to clarify the strengths and weaknesses of Lani's technique. *You said: "Lani's voice even at C5 lacks the metallic quality of a true belt."* I disagree. Still, I'd like an example that shows your point--a clip, a particular performance, or a time stamp showing Lani's C5. *You said: "And you are mentioning Pavarotti with Reference to Lani singing Whitney song?"* Nope. I mentioned Pavarotti to illustrate the point that even with range limitations a singer can be "free". You seriously need to read more carefully. :) But you can disagree with me all you want. I'm not here to "convert" anybody to "Lanism" or anything. Female belters' techniques are simply a subject that interests me at present; and because I particularly like Lani's tone, I enjoy talking about her singing. If you don't like it, no problemo. In any case, my desire for chatting has waned. So I am just going to leave you with this reply and bid you adieu. ;) It's up to you and the other potential readers to decide which parts of our conversation make sense and which don't.
KusanagiRai You keep asking here about the missed parts right? there is a difference between seeing those flaws and actually understanding where it came from and why it happened. Lani's passagi: you said Likely. So its just an assumption there is no measuring that happened? Because you CANNOT just conclude on one's passaggio and just tally it with what you read in books and hear in her performances. It doesnt work like that. There is a noticeable change in Lani's vocal quality at C5 even on some notes LOWER than that which you fail to observe, too. But i cannot claim that her true passaggio lies here and there because there is no actual measurement that happened. Worst, you make further claims that she can mix beyond her passaggio when there is no factual basis for saying that her passaggio is E5. haha Nope most of her chest dominant notes falls below F#5. Minsan pasok pa lang niya may gewang na. very unstable chest voice. Blending: That's the problem when you just read articles or books on singing without really knowing why the term exist and how blending of registers is done. You cannot say that there is "blending of registers" happening if there is a problem beyond F#5. lol! Though I still maintain that her UNMUSICAL notes mostly happens below that range. Lani has destroyed a lot of songs because of this pop-aria antics. Sa totoo lang ang pangit pakinggan. Napakabihira na maayos ang pasok ng pag-aaria niya sa mga pop songs. lol! but of course its a matter of preference. Again, there is NO real BLENDING using this style. lol I also happened to watched some clips of LM videos and I maintain that her voice lacks color, loudness and balance at C5. very noticeable change in quality, I wonder why you failed to notice that. lol
Abc Music This looks fun. I shall indulge you for a while longer. *You said: "You keep asking here about the missed parts right?"* Wrong. What I said was: "I'm struggling to find the part where it is claimed that Lani's performance was flawless." Part. Where. It is CLAIMED. That the performance was flawless. Now, pay attention and follow me: Who makes CLAIMS here? The commenters. Now, if I pose the question, "Where is the part where Point X is claimed," what does "part" refer to? Obviously some part of the comments, because the concern is what has been CLAIMED, and CLAIMS refer to comments, arguments, points, or ideas stated by people (e.g., me, ForEighteen, rjayiscool, etc.). Reading comprehension is your friend. *You said: "there is a difference between seeing those flaws and actually understanding..."* Dude, you were asking us: "How come you find it hard to see the obvious vocal flaws in this specific video?" Keyword: SEE. These are your own words. Therefore, whether the flaws were "seen" was your concern, and I answered in kind. "Understanding" is a completely different animal from "seeing". Let me abridge the relevant exchange so you can see what you're doing: *You:* How can you not see it? *Me:* I can actually see it. *You:* But...but seeing is different from understanding! :)) C'mon, silly! Moreover, I have had a drawn-out discussion with 'resiti velnur' on the possible causes of the flaws. I don't want to reiterate them. I feel like I'm in that weird part of TH-cam... *You said: "Because you CANNOT just conclude on one's passaggio and just tally it with what you read in books and hear in her performances."* I just did. It's up to you if wish to reject it, especially if you have counter-evidence. But I cited some of the scientific literature and explained it in relation to the resonance shifts around the frequency area in question. And all you're telling me is, "Oh, but you can't be sure!" That kind of reasoning precludes any discussion on the specifics of the often precarious regions of the voice. If we are to fruitfully engage in such a discussion, we will be forced to rely on sound and audio clips and established literature to form sensible inferences, as we don't have Lani herself in front of us or explaining things to us. If all you say is, "Well we can't be sure about anything," then there is no point to any of this. *You said: "There is a noticeable change in Lani's vocal quality at C5 even on some notes LOWER than that which you fail to observe, too."* Clips, clips, clips... *You said: "Worst, you make further claims that she can mix beyond her passaggio when there is no factual basis for saying that her passaggio is E5."* I directed you to Miller and Vennard, didn't I? A "factual basis" is a variable that is observed in nature. Its implications are, in the course of our discussion, theoretical, but this doesn't annul the factual characteristic of the literature and sounds provided. Miller, Vennard, Titze, and others have observed that the 2nd passaggio tends to lie somewhere between Eb5 and F#5 in mezzo-sopranos snd sopranos. That is a factual basis: a scientific consensus. *You said: "Nope most of her chest dominant notes falls below F#5."* Exactly what I'm saying. Her best chest-dominant notes occur below F#5. You seem to be just trolling around now. :)) *You said: "You cannot say that there is "blending of registers" happening if there is a problem beyond F#5."* Yes I can. She can actually stretch her vocalis (thickening muscle) activity beyond F#5, at least to perform a "legit" or heady mix (like her G#5 and F#5 in "Tayong Dalawa") and can apply head resonance (twang) below F#5 (which is clearly shown by the metallic characteristic of her A4 in "Tayong Dalawa"). Here are examples of her chestier G5s. watch?v=1FPbkOpaF-Y&t=3m27s watch?v=HJiKo04VsrE&t=2m20s However, around the pitch area in question, she can't consistently sing in a good mix. This is obvious to the both of us. Velnur calls it a hit and miss, which is something we agree on. In other words, she can do it, but she has not mastered it. You see, there are degrees of mastery. In training, this is called progression, which I should not have to explain. This is not merely a question of "happening and not happening," black and white, or 0 and 1. There are shades of grey in between. *You said: "I also happened to watched some clips of LM videos and I maintain that her voice lacks color, loudness and balance at C5. very noticeable change in quality."* Well, which clips? Where? Show us these C5s. I at least have been directing you to pertinent clips and scientific observations to explain my points. Now, you're making claims and your only basis is "Well I watched some clips and her C5 sounds like shit." :D Reveal those clips. P.S.: Actually, I'm already familiar with Lani's C5, so I'm not really thrilled. Thus, I am going to stop here, unless you manage to surprise me again in a manner that elicits a response. Once again, I bid you adieu.
KusanagiRai no matter how you try to sugarcoat your comments with googled articles, attack my reading comprehension and spin the argument to suit your self serving assumptions, it doesn't change my impression that you are talking of things that you DO NOT FULLY understand. knowing the meaning of passaggio (saulo ko rin yan lol) is an easier task than determining it accurately. You telling us that more "likely" E5 is LM's passaggio and being quick to add more assumptions out of it is already an indication that you DONT KNOW what you are talking about. Lol Further, you thought mixing classical and pop singing is acceptable. when in fact there are reasons why its a big no-no. Take for example LMs somewhere wherein bigla siyang nag-aria. Gumanda ba? Sobrang SAGWA di ba? Sirangsira yung kanta! Kahit kaninong voice teacher mo itanong they will NOT suggest this kind of practice! Because if that is so, pwede ng silang magretire lahat. Kung totoong music student ka dapat alam mo yan. It's not negotiable lol! Napakabasic dude haha! Worst, you don't even know the meaning of blending of registers. You thought its just simply mixing the head and chest voice. While blending of registers takes a truly gifted instrument and lots of hardwork to achieve. Because we are talking of covering the WHOLE range where a singer can produce a balanced and consistent sound. Lol! Sabagay, LANI doesn't have it even in a less stricter sense. The result? pabagobago timber niya kapag nakanta. So yeah it's understandable why YOU FIND IT HARD TO DIGEST! lol And you are talking of stylistic preference to hide a more obvious fact that Lani's instrument cannot produce a desirable "pop" sound. Pangkundiman (or sige non-legit aria) talaga ang natural built ng boses niya. It's not As if she can choose. And since you love comparison I am 100% sure that She doesn't have that deep chesty yet consistent beautiful sound of Whitney during her prime. And it's evident in this video. She doesn't possess the vocal ability to give justice to a mariah song. She doesn't have d support, control and skills Pavarotti enjoyed. And IF IM TO NITPICK, I have yet to see her execute a song perfectly. LAHAT ng live perf niya na napanood ko Laging May note/notes na SABLAY. If you happen to have an idea where she displayed perfect vocals IM DYING to watch it. Hahaha! Coz the links you're providing here are giving us more reasons to believe that her voice is not UP THERE to be worthy of a serious technical discussions. lol Lani has accomplished a lot with that voice. May mga naloloko din naman siya. Jowk Lang! Haha! Leave it at that and be thankful! But to describe her singing skill and her instrument as something that it is NOT? And applying vocal descriptions and theories you just read on the internet to make an impression that Lani's voice possessed such traits or to neatly "launder" her flaws? Please!!! We are not that stupid! Maloloko mo siguro ang iba pero HINDI lahat. Finally, you claim to know her flaws but you're obviously DENYING the cause of it. And oh! The "mucus excuse" literally made me roll on the floor laughing. I can't believe you'll go AS LOW as that to hide Lani's vocal limits. In my honest opinion, she's NOT as skilled as you want to believe and the instrument itself is INCAPABLE of handling register demands that require different levels of chest adjustments. Hindi kelangan ng google at books! You don't even need dozens of singers to understand her voice. COMMON SENSE at acceptance pwede na. Hahaha
Still such a great voice...has always done Whitney justice and in this performance I think she embodied what we loved about Whitney's voice the most :)
Nailed it! God I miss nippy. I cried in I look to you part. I remember whitney's comeback album and her last year.
Lani's version of I Look to you has sooo much emotion. Heartfelt as always.
Ang iba rito kung makapag comment kala mo sobrang galing sa pagkanta at know it all lahat sa music.. try nyo kaya mag concert kung papalakpakan ba kayo ng tao...pag sumikat na kayo saka kayo mag magaling.. i was there and witnessed how lani misalucha gave everyone a good show! Kudos ms lani! Ang galing mo!
Congatulations! Grabe! Bravo Miss Lani Misalucha! Bakit ngayon lang kita naapreciate?! Such a WORLD CLASS TALENT! Iba nga ang timbre ng boses mo, may class or sophistication, yun bang hindi mo ikahihiya na ipagmalaki. Honestly, I felt na naglevel-up din ang panlasa ko interms of music. Sana ikaw na pinakinggan ko at sinuportahan noon pa, anyway tulad ng sabi ko hindi pa huli ang lahat. :-)
I love you ate lani, im a fan always and always will be!
I just recently watched the whole concert on ABS-CBN. All i can say is, i'm now a big fan. When you watch a concert, you don't watch out for flaws or vocal errors. Who does that? Unless it's your job. You want to be entertained! Well. It was really ientertaining. Some nunbers were even very moving. Lani could've done without Eric.
Her biggest influence was the late whitney houston. She always give justice to her songs.
my favorite female singer in the philippines....
LANI, YOU ARE VERY VERY GOOD. TRULY, IKAW ANG PINAKAMAGANDANG BOSES AT PINAKAMAGALING NA SINGER. KAKAIBANG KLASE ANG BOSES MO. I LOVE YOU SO MUCH LANI. GOD BLEZ YOU ALWAYS AND MORE POWER...
Superb!!! Very classy performance!!
Ibon ka talaga kasi ang tinis ng boses mo kapag bibirit ..galingg)gg
till now d ako maka get over sa concert mo ms. lani.. Bravo!!!!
incredible effortless bravo ❤❤❤
WOW, ANG GALING MO IDOL. WALA KANG IBANG KATULAD. IKAW NA... I AM VERY PROUD OF YOU AND I LOVE YOU SO MUCH...
Malakas lang sumigaw si RV pero mas may kalidad at maganda ang boses ni LM...indeed a world-class talent....
kahit past and present singers, si lani talaga ang pinakamagandang boses at pinakamagaling....... I LOVE YOU LANI.......
So much agree. :)
she is exceptional diva....para akong nanunuod ng concert ni barbra streisand.classy type.perfect midrange ...
Agree... (pogi mo, hehehe)
+ALTER KO c daniel aquino ung nasa pic. at hnd sya yan. lol
The comments section is such a mess! Can't we all just learn to appreciate a performance? *Take note, this was also Lani's last number after singing for two hours straight.* If you don't like Lani at all in the first place, then why go to her video and even bother to leave a comment? In the end, you're actually helping Lani's videos get more views. I don't understand bashers' way of thinking.
On the other hand, I do appreciate the different _objective_ analyses by people in the comments section who actually have knowledge about music and voice.
THOSE WHO DO NOT LIKE LANI ARE STUPID, DOWNRIGHT DUMB AND RUBBISH
effortless ang singing skills. one of my fave singer talaga kudos
One of my favorite singer!! Kudos Lani!!!💚
Before you judge! Kantahin nio ung kuhang kuha nio at aangat pa kayo kay Lani.! Powta! Kung alam nio lang kung gaano kabait at kahumble na tao po sya!
Ang galing mo talaga idol, promise......
Tumatayo mga balahibo q GALING hoooohhhh idol
TRULY, IKAW ANG PINAKAMAGALING NA SINGER LANI. WALANG BINATBAT SILA SAU. KAKAIBA ANG BOSES MO KAHIT MATAAS , HINDI MO INUURONGAN AT MAGANDA PAKINGGAN ANG BOSES MO LALO NA SA I HAVE NOTHING NI WHITNEY HOUSTON. I LOVE YOU LANI...
Whatever they say, for me, Ms. Lani Misalucha is the best singer sa lahat ng mga kasabayan niya or ka-age niya, I'm talking at the present situation not the past, of course we should not forget the past, the accomplishments of each of them, but for me what is more important is the present because this is where we are living and enjoying music. :-)
Si Jaya though, parang lalong gumaling, at least doon sa Solaire concert niya. :D Di ba?
KusanagiRai I agree with you. Buo pa rin ang boses ni Jaya at mataas pa rin. Ok din naman si Ms Jaya. Actually hindi lang sa Solaire for me ok si Ms Jaya, majority of her performances from the start until now I could say that she keeps on improving and more fierce. Nagiging mapangahas na nga siya umabot ng mga highnotes na hindi naman niya ginagawa dati. Ilang beses ng nanganak yan ha. Sana magkaroon sila ng concert together. Magiging very soulful yun. Very international ang dating, Lani and Jaya:-)
wein mark joseph Yup. :) Kapag gumaling yung reflux/GERD ni Regine pwedeng silang tatlo uli. Posible namang mawala yun. She's only in her mid 40s too. I'm positive age is not a problem. Also, she can still sing mezzo-forte to pianissimo (mid-loud to very low volume) with clarity. And her /ee/ vowel (a "tight" vowel) remains crystal clear for the most part. (Yung kay Lani medyo malabo. Not sure why.) These are signs that Regine's larynx itself is in good shape. Istorbo lang talaga yung reflux. And I've begun taking a liking to her low notes:
watch?v=VQVsKu7YX2Q&t=1m5s
Clean and clear. :) She still has a nice swing to her sound, too:
watch?v=_p08Zkwf2ow&t=3m18s
I think I underestimated her. lol.
I wish them luck on their Ultimate concert.
KusanagiRai Sana mawala although medyo wala na ako hope antagal na kasi, Pero sana nga gumaling na siya :-)
lani,jaya,regine together...
galing....bravo...kinanta nya ung I look to you...favorite song q un...thx miss Lani...the best
Divine!!
Thanks Qritiko ^^
one of queen diva
Ang ganda talaga ng boses ni lani sa simula sa mga pahagod hagod mapapa wow ka goosebumps pero pag sa mataas na part semplang talaga, ewan ko ba kahit ano pilit ko....
Vrabe 💯💯💯
Ang galing tlaga wla sa edad!!applauded!!
Im a fan of both .. regine's vocal range and pitch is beyond compare pero let us not deny the fact na mas maganda tlga ang voice quality ni miss lani kaysa kay regine hhhe ..
I loook to you!!!!
First time to watch Lani in this concert and I must say she is really good. I'm a Regine supporter btw.. posted some vids in my channel. too bad I did not bring a good camera I just used my phone.. . super ganda ng sound ng concert at iba talaga pag may orchestra.
Mkpgcomment nmn d2 ei wagas ei. Basta ng-iisa lng ang ASIA'S NIGHTINGALE at ASIA'S SONGBIRD un n un. All I can say s performance ni LANI ay amazing at wow. Super gling nia at she nailed it very well
lani's strength is her ability to transition from her chest notes to headvoice. but it also marks her limitations and weakness as a vocalist. lani uses mostly her headvoice to cover up for notes which are not anymore accessible to her natural chest voice. also her upper chest notes are all belts, heavy, and forceful. unlike other powerbelters who have perfect command of their upper chest range, lani's upper belts have very limited dynamics. all her upper chest notes sounded loud and heavy and yelled, even throaty, with constant volume, with very little dynamics, flexibility, control, vocal fredom and resonance, and even emotivity. Take for example the parts where she belted "don't make ME CLOSE ONE MORE door" at 1:41 and the phrase "STAY IN. MY ARMS." Her voice drastically changed color. Her voice tightened, lost its volume and resonance and vocal freedom, and sounded constricted.
Even her sustained belt at the last "NOTHING" at 2:20 sounded to tensed, strained, and unstable. Most of her belts here had a very yell-like quality around.
Listen from 4:18 to 4:40. Her voice sounded tired, her notes more uneven and very tentative, and truth be told, there are quite a few desofinados there (4:19, 4:27, 4:33).
in short, notwithstanding lanis limitations and weaknesses in her chest voice and range, she makes up for it through the use of her headvoice and her ability to most of the time transition seamlessly from chest to head, and vice versa. lani's appeal is that she offers a marked alternative to what other powervocalists are used to doing. she has a different take, but not better.
resiti velnur Interesting observations. However, I don't agree on several points.
*You said: "[H]er upper chest notes are all belts, heavy, and forceful."*
That's not quite right. She can back off when she wants to.
watch?v=2qI_JYxI_nk&t=2m6s
Listen to the "Oh" at 2:06. It's a thinned-out sound that relies on twang (narrowing of the epilarynx) and an open throat sensation for projection and resonance. It's not a full-out belt.
watch?v=Z1fTITSXuZ0&t=1m34s
Listen to "But I don't give a damn." It's a similar mode of phonation to the previous instance. In a manner of speaking, it's a very Beyonce-esque sound, as compared to the open-chested, Whitney-esque belts often attributed to Lani's singing.
watch?v=BgH8Z3yMMfM&t=6m50s
This one is a full-out belt, but still not "forceful". Once again, it relies on the piercing characteristic of twang and good closure, not excessive airflow and closure or extrinsic laryngeal musculature (yelling/forcing).
watch?v=HIYslj9xEQQ&t=1m18s
This shows Lani's ability to "cover" around her second passaggio. Listen to "love". Notice how it sounds like "laaaouv" as she approaches the top note (E5), as if the vowel is taking on a deeper shade. This is the natural covered sound that needs to occur around the passaggi ("bridges" of the voice). This is the natural result of correct support and a gradual (but inconspicuous) thinning out of the vocal folds, both of which encourage proper use of the sternohyoid muscle, which anchors the larynx and thus prevents it from ascending too quickly.
watch?v=fV6r1G9wXi8&t=3m23s
Now, listen to "mo ako." Past her second passaggio in the upper belting range, she reduces vocalis (thickening muscle) activity but maintains twang, resulting in a "mixed" sound similar to how a male rock singer belts in the upper 5th octave. The G5-B5 belting area is her weakness, because in that area she tends to thin out too much and therefore can rarely perform "convincing" belts. However, thinning out in that part of the range is necessary for healthy phonation. Her ability to do it is also proof that she doesn't yell up there. If she wants to belt that high, she need only learn to put a stronger "cry" or "pout" in that area that she already does.
We also have to account for the idea that it's just Lani's style to sound big. After all, Whitney Houston and Barbra Streisand, two "blow-you-off-your-seat" belters, are two of her main influences. If someone like Patti LaBelle had been her primary influence, then maybe she would have trained different sounds and we'd be hearing a different Lani today.
*You said: "very little dynamics, flexibility, control..."*
Her riffs and runs around that area sound fine to me. :)
*"vocal fredom and resonance..."*
She sometimes has too much of a push (partly as a consequence of her style), but the idea that she has very little resonance is an utter lie. She has so much ring in her belting range:
watch?v=WCtqThjyovQ&t=0m47s
Listen to "all at ONCE." It's almost cavernous. Huge, but not pushed. Just resonant. When Angeline begins to sing her part, the difference is obvious. Listen to Angeline's "know" at 1:03, and compare it to Lani's "shows" at 1:06 (same note), for an example of the difference between a good/decent sound and a ringing, resonant sound.
And that's just one example. :)
*"and even emotivity"*
A highly subjective observation. While it may be true that some don't "feel" her, I think many do. :) Relative to the prowess of stage actresses like Lea Salonga, however, it's true that Lani's expressiveness can be considered subtle. And I will concede that I have seen some Lani performances that felt emotionaly lacking. Then again, that could have been just me.
*You said: "Listen from **4:18** to **4:40**. Her voice sounded tired..."*
True. However, if you sense tiredness, then why do you attribute her vocal blemishes to general technical imperfections (such as "very little dynamics, flexibility, control")? The fallacy here is that you are using a performance where she is reasonably tired (this Whitney medley happened at the end of her 2-hr-15-min show, which featured a notably difficult set list) as proof of a very general claim.
I do hear technical inefficiencies in Lani's singing (such as inhalation sounds and excess mucus), but your comments hardly tell me that it's any worse. After all, she DID work 5 days a week in Las Vegas and Hawaii for years, singing not-so-easy songs of different genres. She COULD NOT have gone through that phase as well as she did if her technique was significantly lacking.
*You said: "[T]here are quite a few desofinados there (**4:19**, **4:27**, **4:33**)."*
I don't hear any, except the totally negligible half-second flat at 4:19. :D I don't see any sense in that level of nitpicking, especially with regard to closing performances where the singer's voice is understandably tired.
At any rate, I enjoyed sifting through your comment.
Thank you for sharing those links to me. Those are some of lani's best performances I have seen. This medley does not showcase lani's best at all. As I said, her belts here sounded tentative, constricted, and dearly wanting in resonance. to be blunt, this is a messy vocal performance. her power notes had no dynamics and little control. she sounded dry and unmelodic in her upper range.
another bad song choice for her was chandelier. it only highlighted her vocal limits. her agility to shift placement did not do much to save her vocal performance for thay song.
the first link you showed however missed the point. the part you were referring to was in full headvoice. there is little argumejt with respect to lani's ability to control her headvoice.
as i said, lanis strength lies in her middle register or midbelts. the all by myself clip shows how lani can utilize her zona di passagio. it was a wonderful display of her vocal ability. i liked it. then again, it shows that lani's comfort zone in her belts ends somewhere within E5. That explains why when forced to sing and belt successive high notes her tonality and vocal color change, and she loses her resonance and vocal freedom. this medley shows exactly that. anyway these are the more difficult whitney songs. chandelier again shows that. all at once goes only as high as Eb5 and is relatively an easy song. lani can capitalize on her midbelts in songs like that and instead gets to highlight her strengths.
Again lani is consistent in her midbelts but not when she starts to go higger than her D/E.
notice also when she sings and belts the higger notes, while the same notes remain forceful abd pushed, her vocal volume is reduced and the notes sounded pulled. it sounded constricted. she loses resonance and vocal freedom. i do not argue with you that that her midbelts are resonant with a warm ring to it. whitney loses the briggtness of her sound also when she goes higher than f5. but she retains her vocal consistency, color, vocal control, and vocal stability. i dont see these in lani's upper belts. at best, its a hit and miss for her.
you belabor lanis stint in vegas as somethibg that should already foreclose any question on her vocal stamina and technique, yet you were quick to attribute the "vocal blemishes" to the fact that lani is tired. this is just a 2-hr show compared to six days of vegas shows. my point was aside from the fact that lani was tired alread, this medley is also too tiring for her vocally. these songs are quite big and demanded a lot from her vocally. in simpler terms, it would sound too patronizing for one to simply attribute these vocal blemsihes to the fact that lani was already tired at this point. anyway i like that she can utilize her passagio. the queen of the niggt aria you gave me sounded like it had flats in her whistle notes, no?
resiti velnur *You said: "Thank you for sharing those links to me."*
You're welcome. :)
*You said: "her power notes had no dynamics and little control."*
Dynamics is partly a stylistic choice. You speak as if it is purely technical. What evidence do we have that Lani simply didn't want less volume?
I have already shown you instances where she eases off the gas pedal, proving that she, in fact, exercises a certain degree of dynamic freedom within the frequency range in question. :)
*You said: "another bad song choice for her was chandelier. it only highlighted her vocal limits. her agility to shift placement did not do much to save her vocal performance for thay song."*
Again, please explain to me how the way she sang it wasn't merely a stylistic choice but a technical limitation. :)
(As a side note: I surprisingly liked her take on Chandelier. It doesn't really matter to me if she uses mix, flageolet, or whatever, as long as she sounds good.)
*You said: "the first link you showed however missed the point. the part you were referring to was in full headvoice."*
Except it isn't, at least in modern parlance. It's a full "mix." There is clear vocalis (chest) involvement there.
*You said, on the All by Myself performance: "it shows that lani's comfort zone in her belts ends somewhere within E5"*
This I agree with.
*You said, on her upper belts: "at best, its a hit and miss for her."*
This is something I can also agree with. :) It's important to note that this is different from your earlier claim: "Her upper chest notes are all belts, heavy, and forceful," in which case her upper belts are ALWAYS a "miss," at least in my book.
She can do it. It's just that she can't always do it with ease, particularly when she tries to go fortissimo.
*You said: "you belabor lanis stint in vegas as somethibg that should already foreclose any question on her vocal stamina and technique"*
Nope. I mentioned Lani's work to suggest that her technique isn't as bad as you seem to make it out to be, not to preempt "any question on her vocal stamina and technique," the notion of which is immediately disproven by the very fact that we are questioning Lani's ability here and now. :D
*You said: "my point was aside from the fact that lani was tired alread, this medley is also too tiring for her vocally."*
Let's see. We're looking at two possible reasons this performance wasn't perfect: (1) it was done at the end of a particularly difficult concert, and (2) her technique is inefficient. You're suggesting the latter--that this sort of medley in and of itself is simply too tiring for her.
Had she performed it at the beginning of the concert, don't you think there is reason to believe that she might have done better?
*You said: "anyway i like that she can utilize her passagio."*
She can actually go through at least 3 passaggi. :)
*You said: "the queen of the niggt aria you gave me sounded like it had flats in her whistle notes, no?"*
I don't think so.
what ever you said about him....face the fact that she can sing well..... and a world class ok!!! :)
Mkpgcomment nmn d2 ei wagas ei. Bsta ng-iisa lng ang ASIA'S NIGHTINGALE at ASIA'S SONGBIRD un n un....All I can s performance ni LANI amazing and wow. Super gling nia....
whitney houston of the Philippines
Galing
why she isnt a global phenomenon like whitney, mariah, celine... is mind boggling!
Si lani nalang ang diva na namamayagpag hahha... Asan na ang ibang ibon? Ngayun.
Napakasimple ng stage but the LED and the VOICE sez it all ika nga. Kumbaga sa pagkain, NO ARTIFICIAL FLAVOR, :-)
wein mark joseph I thought this is Lani's performance? Bakit and daming haters and bashers? If they think their IDOL is the best singer in the world, makuntento na sila doon! But for us Lani will remain a nightingale :D
sonny chan sila lang naman nagkeclaim na yung favorite nila ang best singer in the world. hindi nila alam pinagtatawanan sila ng buong mundong sinasabi nila.
di ba guest si songbird?
Ms Lani Misalucha may not be a perfect singer, anyway wala ng perfect singer ngayon. May isa akong inasahan dati pero palyado na rin. KAY MS LANI MISALUCHA NA AKO, WORLD CLASS PA AT SUMISIPA PA RIN. PROVING THAT SHE STILL HAS IT. SAKA HINDI NAGPAPABAYA YUN ANG PINAKAGUSTO KAY MS LANI MISALUCHA. MARARAMDAMAN MO SA KANYA YUNG INIT SA PAGPEPERFORM. YUN BANG MARARAMDAMAN MO YUNG PRESENCE NIYA. HINDI KATULAD NG IBA KUMAKANTA NGA, HINDI MO NAMAN MARAMDAMAN. TRABAHO NA LANG KUMBAGA. HINDI KATULAD NI MS LANI MISALUCHA, TRABAHO DIN PERO MARARAMDAMAN MO YUNG PAGIGING SERYOSO NIYA AT SINCERITY SA WORK AT SA MGA TAONG NAGSUSUPORTA SA KANYA. I HEARD NEXT YEAR BALIK LAS VEGAS KA ULI MS LANI FOR SERIES OF SHOWS JUST LIKE BEFORE, PAG NATULOY, CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN AND KEEP IT UP!
sino inaasahan mo??
Raeven Talondata Wala na! Pare-pareho na lang. No exceptions... no extra special
Sotero Nepomuceno putak ka ng putak...kalalaking tao daig pa ang mahaderang babae sa lansangan.,,nonsense nmn lahat ng binabato mo..
Sotero Nepomuceno Well hindi ako satisfied sa I dont Wanna Miss a Thing niya. Bakit nga ba wala siyang full coverage nung I dont Wanna Miss A Thing niya nung February 14? May isa kaya lang putol....bakit kaya??? Malamang alam mo ayaw mo lang sabihin...Hmmmm????
alam mo base sa mga nababasa ko sayo..ikaw ang wlang alam sa musika...poor...tinataas mo yung sarili mo sa mga taong alam mo mas mataas ang utak kesa sayo??..hahaha dyos ko lord bakit may ganitong klase ng tao..
di nawawala tong whitney medley, sa concert ni jaya kinanta nya ren, hehe
Yung kanta ni Whitney meron binabagayang boses una kailangan meron kang vocal dynamics hindi puro birit lang.
Music expert ka? Anong dynamics ang kulang sa kanta ni Lani dito?
@@alphaomega6365 Lani is the queen of vocal dynamics. What I meant with my previous statement the likes of Regine, Sara, Angeline and some other singers di bagay sa kanila.
Try to compare yung versions nila ng "where do I begin" , makikita mo ang difference... Tingnan mo ang dynamics, continuously nagbibuild up mula sa simula until the end sa version ni Regine unlike kay Lani n parang same lang yung simula hanggang sa dulo.. Pro i have to say n gusto Ko si Lani kpag nagka classical sya, napapahanga nya ako..
Preho sila magaling at meron sila kanya kanyang style ng pag atake sa kanta.. But I still prefer Regine.
Actually mas napahanga naman ako ni Ms Lani sa Where Do I Begin, kapiranggot pa lang yun, sana nga binuo na lang niya.
ok, yun opinion mo eh. hehe
Lani Misalucha is the whitney houston of the philippines, And Regine Can sing mariah songs, but she don't sounds like mariah..
its more liek the other way around. whiteny vs regine = chest voice mariah vs lani = whistles plus head voice
Actually both are just professional karaoke singers,Lea Salonga is the only Filipino artist that her name can be set with the greats, her tone, diction, control,resonance and pristine voice is unmatched with these two.
imqsqs yah, agree.!
+imqsqs trueee
mkhang di niya kaya ang mga nota,wide Lang kasi yung boses nya.di nga nya kayang kumanta ng through the fire.,
Why dont we just watch and listen. You all pretend to know this and that. One thing though, you dont know how to make a name like she did. So now, wheres the vocal abilities are you all taking about? You all look at the flaws. In the end, she earn a lot with her voice, whether its perfect or not.
easy lng sa kanya
+rjayiscool I know as Someone very close to Lani, it's hard for you to accept the fact that Lani's technique didn't improved that much as a "pop singer". And it's actually obvious in this video. Hirap Lang kayong I-accept. Lol And watching her other videos from this concert, i can confidently say that her chest voice is not "cooperating" well with her head voice. Be real. Very constant ang presence ng mga unpleasant notes at poorly phonated vowels. Ganyan na siya dati at ganyan pa rin siya ngayon. Nothing changed.
Her strength is her headtone at pag-aaria niya kasi naaappreciate siya ng audience dahil you DONT USUALLY hear those songs in concerts. But to say her voice is UP THERE to be measured as a classical singer? And to compare her voice to the LEGITIMATE ONES? Funny! I don't think she can secure a "queen" role with that voice. Baka magwala si Mozart. Jowk Lang :))) KAKAIBA Lang talaga siyang pakinggan. Kaya mapapawow ka. Pero Kung Nakakarinig ka na ng classical singers you'll know that it's not really impressive. At Kung ang standard mo ay opera singers, singing perfectly ang labanan diyan. Di lalo ng wala siyang lugar dun. Buti pa nga si lm naka-mic yung mga napapakinggan ko unamplified voices. Lol
Singing in headvoice doesn't make you a legitimate/classical singer on instant. Try niyo umattend at makinig sa mga nagvovocal training. Kahit sa mga choral singing group na nalaban abroad. You'll say that THERE IS NOTHING special with Lani's headvoice. Kung extraordinary talaga headvoice niya siguro naging standard din sia ng mga nasa vocal discipline na Ito. Pero dedma Lang. Di naman naging big deal sa pinas ang pag-aaria nia, singer or non-singers man.
As for technique, Ni Hindi ko naririnig na nababanggit ang name ni Lani sa mga ganyang klase ng usapan here and abroad. Buti pa yung singer na sinasabi Mong nasigaw Lang nababanggit sa "singing success" website in a POSITIVE WAY kasi napapagkamalan na May training sa classical technique:
"Correct technique is correct technique, regardless of the genre. Bruce Dickinson, Dio, Regine Velasquez, Mariah Carey and many other popular and successful Pop, Rock and Metal singers have all had training with classical technique."
Pati ung ibang foreign voice teachers superlative praises ang binibigay Kay regine. They don't agree with your uninformed opinion on her! lol! How ironic, di ba? :))) Ayan ganyan ang nagquoquote. Hindi yung icocopy paste ang articles about other singers tapos iaapply sa voice ni lm kahit Hindi naman for her ang analysis na un. Hindi naman binabanggit na ganun din si lm. NKKLK! Hahaha!
Maswerte Lang talaga si Lani kasi nga walang ibang pop singer na gumagawa ng mga pag-aaria na yan sa atin hahahaha! Pero Kung ihahanay mo si lm sa mga legit singers nope you are giving her more credit than what her headvoice can actually offer. Kawawa naman ang mga legit singers who worked a lot to REALLY improve their instruments and be able to sing perfectly. There is no perfect singer but there are singers CAPABLE of perfection.
Nababasa ko na dati ang mga comment mo at maraming taon na rin naman ang nagdaan. ikinagaling ba ni tita Lani mo ang pag-eexaggerate mo sa talent niya at ang panglalait mo Kay regine. Parang Hindi naman. :))) THE EQUATION REMAINS THE SAME! :D
Lani's voice may not be perfect but it offers variety and people tend to like that. at the end of the day, it really is just a matter of preference right? some like distinct, dark, soulful voice, some like thin, high pitched sound easily mimicked by trannies diba? LOL :D Lani vs Regine will be a NEVER ending discussion unless some Regine fans would stop shoving Regine down people's throats (just like what happened here) Bottom line is, There is a reason she is up there singing and you are behind your keyboard trying to discredit her talent :D
Abc Music How about Regine's voice did she improve? ha ha ha!
wein mark joseph oh you're still alive. hahaha! well regine even with acid reflux is still doing her usual Regine flair and singing much much cleaner while this idol of yours is still out there murdering songs we love. Her problem is not just on one note or two. but note for note. hahaha after 15secs expect mo na ang mala-payatas niyang rendition hahaha
Ha ha! Flair??? baka Fail? I saw the recent performances of Regine, and I am still not satisfied with those performances. No More highnotes puro sigaw na lang, gasgas pa. sorry.. I stil prefer The Nightingale Ms Lani Misalucha and also Ms Morissette Amon
hahaha? amon's regine medley was a little better than lani's continuous struggle in singing regine songs but lets be real ang dami rin niyang sablay. at such a young age maraming beses na siyang kinakapos. nawawala rin siya sa tono and the high notes are not that strong. I admit may mga malinis naman siyang performances pero may 30% possibility na sasablay si amon sa isang song at least its much better than lanis 90% possibility na sasabit sa isang performance. hahaha
No more high notes? puro sigaw na lang? may gasgas? tama ka you're just watching, you are NOT listening well. ay flat nga at wala sa tono hindi mo alam e. hahaha! Regines recent performances are not even worth comparing to this trashy version of Whitney songs. Ang daming sablay pero sabagay eto ang version mo ng world class hahaha hahaha
Magaling si lani, pero mas maganda yung silver rewind ni regine
maybe sa productions mas maganda yung sa silver rewind, pero sa voice...Lani
Charlie Chaplin for me mas maganda ito, kasi may touch of elegance. pero mas maganda ang stage ng silver kaysa dito. baka stage lang hindi ang entire production he he.
Lani's "elegance" primarily comes from the dark quality of her voice. There's a reason Pavarotti calls the dark timbre a "noble sound". Also, Lani's dynamics, head voice, and ability to bend notes (glissando) are topnotch. Minsan unti unting tumataas, unti unting bumababa, unti unting lumalakas, unti unting humihina. Parang hinehele at dinuduyan ka, at parang "pumapahid" sa mukha mo ang boses.
A bigger OPM diva than Lani notwithstanding, Regine doesn't exercise as much stylistic freedom. Her low notes are often weak, her head voice too nasal or whiny, and her mid belts "yarly" (due to tongue tension). At times her audience is forced to wait for her high belting, because that's really the only highlight of her singing. Now, even THAT has become rather problematic thanks to her acid reflux.
Standing ovation lang naman mga tao sa performance ni regine, haha kung di maganda, bnat mas maraming tao dun kesa dito? Bat mas maraming humahanga sa NAG IISANG REYNA!! nyahaha at bat kaya las year NANALO ANG SIVER CONCERT NI REGINE, sa BEST CONCERT OF THE YEAR?? nyahaha lumipad pa yan ha. Habang bumibirit, piling song lang kaya ni lani. Si Regine kahit ano, from highnotes to highest notes! Kung nakita mo lang yungpag kanta ni Regine sa CAGAYAN DE ORO ng pangarap ko. Ang ibigin ka. Mapapanganga ka talaga imbis g5 nilivel up nya ng bb5 !! Partida may acid reflux pa! Hahaha
ForEighteen si regine pa talaga ang nasal at whiny? Parang si lani ang madalas out of tune ever since, dinadaan nalang sa headtone pang di abot ang note
Mas maayos naman di hamak yan kesa sa mga unang Silver Concert nya. Dinaan na lang sa paiyak iyak. Partida nandito lang sya sa pinas pero flop yung concert nya. Eh di ba pumiyok din yan si Regine sa Araneta nung sinigaw nya yung Shine nya hahaha
@mark Joseph: bukod sa ability in Regine ng pag hit ng high notes using her natural voice eh May Iba pa n Meron advantage sa boses ni regine over Lani.. Mas CONSISTENT si Regine Kay Lani sa pag hit ng notes.. Madalas am off key si Lani; si Regine kahit mabasag ang boses nya ngun ,dahil sa acid reflux, eh nasa tono pa din sya. Regine's voice is angelic and very feminine, to the point n kahit mataas na eh pra kang hinehele.. Tunog anghel kahit mala trumpet na sa taas..
Consistency? Maybe ur talking about "before" nung nasa condition pa boses niya. Im talking about the present sir. Mahehele ka pa rin ba kung garalgal na maririnig mo? for me marami na ring namimissed na notes si Regine, especially sa higher notes, duon kasi lumalabas yung malat, kaya napapansin ko sa kanya nagiging maingat na siya sa highnotes, hindi katulad dati bitaw kung bitaw, sigaw kung sigaw, ngayon wala na.
Hmmmmm.. Regine's voice may not be on its tip top shape pero kahit mabasag boses nya eh nasa tono pa din sya based sa mga narinig ko n recent performances nya.. Nwy, yan ang isa sa mga pwedeng isa sa mga dahilan kung bakit mas naging sikat si Regine kay Lani, perfect pitch si Regine, sharp ang pandinig nya.. eVen before sa back to back ng SOP mapapansin mo kung gang kalends kumanta si Regine, whilst si Lani hung time n jun eh may mga missed notes na at dinadaan n lng sa ad-libs.
Regine's low and middle tones are very soothing… Kahit di sya bumirit eh maappreciate mo.. even now, andun pa din yunng sweetness ng voice nya.. lumalabas lng nman yung hoarseness kpag sobrang birit… di lang high notes, di gaya nang sinasabi ng iba, ang pede mai offer ng boses ni regine
Miguel Lopez tulad ng sabi ko baka "dati" yun sir, im talking about the present times. kung may tenga si Ms Regine, definitely may tenga din si Ms Lani Misalucha, sootheness...meron din niyan si Ms Lani Misalucha :-)
Miguel Lopez Then why don't you put your comments on Regine's video? Regine has nothing to do with this performance first and foremost. Don't you think that it is CIVIL to appreciate someone's performance without comparing it with anybody else's?
+rjayiscool actually what's happening here is some Lani fans like you being delusional and giving an impression that there is nothing wrong with this MESSY performance and some misinformed voice observers/lm fans praising Lani's technique and downplaying Regine's. Yun ang SHOVING! PILIT isinaksak ang mga vocal abilities and descriptions na Hindi naman Sukat Kay Lani para Lang masabing mas magaling siya in terms of vocal quality and technique. May mga nabanggit naman akong positive points ni lm di ba? As an entertainer interesting naman siya. Magimik sa stage. At May mga nakakaappreciate nun. Yun nga Lang if we talk of technique, Hindi talaga worth it pagdiskusyunan ang kapasidad ni Lani. Even without resorting to comparison, even without regine in the picture, Lani's vocal flaws can easily be detected.
I'm not here to "shove RVs name down peoples throat". Lol She doesn't need it (part of her charm haha) plus I am not like you. You've been consistently discrediting Regine's talent for years now and overpraising Lani. Ngayon nga Lang kita pinatulan e! Lol! Thank heavens, konti Lang naniniwala sa yo hahahaha! Why? Kasi paulitulit Lang sinasabi mo against regine habang paulitulit na nangmamurder ng song si Lani. #kamot-ulo :)))) Though I understand you being so passionate about Lani kasi Kamag-anak mo siya. :))
And i must admit na kundi ka nagmayabang dito Baka Hinayaan ko pa kayong mabuhay sa ilusyon niyo about Lani's technique and vocal skills, like before. E kaso akala mo naka-Mina ka na Kay kusanagirai. tumaas agad ang kayabangan mo. Nanghamon ka agad. :))) E wala ka naman palang kapasidad na intindihin ang accuracy at correctness ng mga dinidiscuss niya. Porket pabor Kay Lani at magandang pakinggan kahit googled materials Lang naexcite ka kaagad. Hahaha! Ni Hindi mo nga kayang isupport ang mga naresearch niya. Lol! Lani's technique pala ha? Susmio!!! Hahahaha hahahaha
saka ang mga Reginians Hindi man mahilig sa vocal pedagogues matatalas ang tenga ng mga yan. Hindi mo maloloko tenga Nila kahit magsabi ka pa ng Latin words hahaha! Kahit nga si regine Hindi nakakalusot kapag May Sablay. E di LALO na si Lani na Sobrang OBVIOUS and definitely VERY frequent for a pro ang presence ng mga poorly executed notes. Gewang, flat, unpleasantly phonated vowels, etc. Sa Totoo Lang, Wala pa akong napapanood na performance niya na 100% perfectly EXECUTED ang mga notes. Hinihintay ko nga ang link ni kusanagirai wherein she displayed perfect vocals. Kaso naghahanap pa yata siya hahaha!
anyway, happy holidays sa inyo. :D
AGAIN, where and when did I say that this performance was flawless? AGAIN, this is the finale of a 2.5 hour show and her voice was obviously not in its tip top shape after singing for 2 hours (yung iba nga opening palang lost na ang voice LOL) And YES, I am guilty of dissing Regine in the past, but please let me know if you ever saw me start the dissing first OR if I ever dissed Reg in HER videos. Truth is, some RV fans find the need to post on other artists' videos and say sh*t like "Regine can sing it higher, Regine's better" Blah blah blah...Most of them can dish it out, but can't back it UP hahahaha
And yes, you may have the upper hand because you are such a musical genius, (and can make shit up easily LOL) but that doesn't make you a better listener because you are BIASED, :D You're making it sound like Lani shouldn't even be singing. AGAIN, there is a reason she is up there singing and you are just watching LOL!!!
Happy Holidays to you too! =D
pareho ng favorite c lani at regine. pro di natin maikakaila na mas mgling pa dn c regine kay lani
COrEk kA jAn.
+Jonas Santos Hmm wag na lang po nating ipagkumpara kasi magkaiba po timbre ng boses nila.. Pareho po silang magaling.
Incomparable si Lani..Kaya wag nyo ipilit ikumpara sa ibang artists.
Bla bla bla ABC
Makinig kna lng becky
the marked limit in lanis stylistics, range, flexibilty, and stamina is also shown in her rendition of chandelier. I think it was a bad song choice and did not suit the nuances in her vocals and range.
+rjayiscool you know I'm just stressing the obvious flaws you guys are so defensive about. some of you are even trying to bend facts to hide Lani's weaknesses- an imbalanced instrument and messed up technique. You can call me biased and all but what I'm saying here are backed by numerous performances where LM mishandled a lot of notes and even SERIES of notes, mababa man o mataas. An indication that there is an Improper coordination of the head and chest voice. Common sense. Kaya nga sure ako sa bagay na yan kasi common sense Lang ang kelangan :)))
even if she sings this live in her top condition, In this arrangement and requiring the SAME register demands, there will still be some unpleasant notes. Maayos ayos pa nga Ito sa ibang perfs niya. To think ang messy na Neto! Hahaha! Tingin ko lahat ng LM vids na napanood ko halos LAGI siyang wala sa kondisyon :)))
I wouldn't really compare Regine's vocals to Lani. They're far from each other In terms of tone. and there's definitely a BIG difference in technique. Any SANE voice teachers can easily SPOT THE DIFFERENCE. Hahaha hahaha yung mga sinasabi Mong praise about RVs high notes. Maliit Lang na aspeto yan ng vocal abilities ni regine. But I'm not here to boast what she can do. I'm here for you and your friends hahahaha
Of course LM is there singing, ENTERTAINER nga siya e. Hahaha! Aiai, Daniel P can even fill araneta WITHOUT postponing oops! :)) As you can see, You don't really need superior vocals para makatapak sa araneta stage. Kaya nga nakakaperform din doon si Lani. Hahaha! Seriously, lol, HINDI sa VENUE/STAGE MASUSUKAT ang pagiging MAGALING NA MANG-AAWIT ITS HOW YOU RELEASE EACH NOTE to create a MELODIC and EMOTIVE SOUND suitable to the demands of the song. Si LM Para kang nakasakay sa Asian spirit, matagtag, nagewang, parang magcacrash anytime. :))) at kumbaga sa driver Hindi smooth magchange gear :))) yung mga skilled singers talaga, Hindi naman ganyan. I mean for a pro medyo nagtataka ako bakit ganyan siya kumanta. :)))
Again, MAHIRAP LOKOHIN ang tenga ng Tao lalo na Kung tenga ng mga Reginians. I'm a reginian but I have neutral ears and I can be very objective chos hahaha! Pumupuri naman din ako kapag May kapuripuri. At May ibang classical and pop singers naman ako na gusto bukod Kay RV. BUT I will NOT LIE para Lang HINDI masabihan na bias ako. :))) e sa wala pa akong NAKIKITA na video ni LM na perfect vocals siya. Wala ding gustong magprovide ng links para naman makapagmenor ako sa aking opinyon haha. No matter how much we keep our eyes close to things we don't want to accept? Our ears will only be more sensitive to flaws.
There's indeed MORE convincing reasons why the standard of LIVE singing in the Philippines or anywhere else is NOT Lani. :))) Kaya wag ka masyadong Balat sibuyas sa opinyon ng ibang Reginians at magyabang rjay! Maybe what they're telling holds more merit and has a degree of truth to it.
You can give sky high praises on LM kahit nawawala na siya sa tono, but you don't expect others to do the same. Bakit ka magagalit sa mga nagpapakatotoo Lang? #kamot -ulo
ang nakakatawa pa nagmamalaki pa kayo about technique na Hindi naman NAKIKITA sa video na Ito. :))) at nanghamon ka pa. Sa susunod wag ganun! Napapasagot tuloy ako! Hahahaha hahaha
I'm sure There are others better than me but I am 100% sure na mas marunong ang tenga ko sa yo! Namaaaan! :))) Hindi ko kayang ipagmayabang ang performance na eto. Susmio! Hahaha hahaha
Masyado Lang mataas ang tingin mo Kay TITA Lani mo kaya nagagalit ka. :))) Pero actually tama na yung maging thankful na May nakakaappreciate sa kanya. Quite frankly, You don't shoot down BETTER singers. it will NOT help LM, vocal wise.
The fact that some demented Reginians keep claiming that Regine is the treasure trove of vocal perfection is pure BS (di papayag si Mariah niyan hahahahahahahaha!) And shoving it down people's throats is a big NO-NO! Why can't fans just enjoy videos of their favorite artists? And YOU keep replying with the same biased bullshit over and over and OVER again LOL!
There is no point on providing you with anything because you only hear what you want to hear and then you will go on again with your biased BS rambling :D And I agree that Lani's voice isn't the standard in PI music and there's only a few with the same timbre as her voice but I'd rather listen to her than a whole bunch singers who ALL sound alike diba???!! If your voice is easily mimicked and you have SO MANY sound alikes, What makes you so special? Hahahahahahahaha!
You keep saying i'm related to Lani (totally not true, but that'd be totally cool) but go on and keep saying it :) I love it and it makes me feel fancy :D
Happy New Year! =D
rjayiscool I totally agree with you. Same answers, same defense. We are just being true with our opinions and observations. For us Lani Misalucha is a better singer. I don't know why other people cannot accept that, as if we are forcing them to agree with us. If they think Regine is better, so be it. But again for me Lani Misalucha is a better singer, more than the high notes, more than the "achievements". We just love Lani because she is simply Lani Misalucha, that's it. No more no less
hahaha! is Lani a singer? she's just an entertainer. kaya wag ng magtaka kumbakit kahit anong pakulo ni henares dati HINDI TALAGA mabenta masyado ang albums ni LM. Hindi naman siya kasing busy ni regine pero 90s pa lang ngarag ngaragan na ang boses at madaming notes na hindi nasasapol ng tama. ano ba naman yan hahaha
wein mark joseph i agree☺😊☺
Lani Misalucha is an entertainer and a singer. Admit it or not. And siya nga pala di ba napasama siya sa ULTIMATE CONCERT? I believed you know the meaning of the word ULTIMATE. Kung sila Regine, Martin at Gary nga kinikilala si Lani as a singer, tulad din ng pagkilala ni Lani, kina Regine, Gary at Martin, ikaw pa kaya? Kasi kung kinukwestiyon mo si Lani, it means you are questioning also Gary, Martin and your favorite Regine. ha ha. Be true to yourself. Maybe you just hate Lani, wala na akong magagawa diyan. Alam mo siguro nga hate mo si Lani, kasi siguro nagagalingan ka sa kanya, kasi kung balewala sa iyo ang talento ni Lani, hindi ka manggalaiti ng ganyan.
Daming missed notes dinadaan nalang sa adlib sabagay tatak na yan ni lani eversince
Flop itong concert ni Avatar Diva diba
Ay hindi teh. Sa katunayan full packed ang araneta. Hindi sa gen pat.
+KusanagiRai no matter how you try to sugarcoat your comments with googled articles, attack my reading comprehension and spin the argument to suit your self serving assumptions, it doesn't change my impression that you are talking of things that you DO NOT fully understand.
knowing the meaning of passaggio (saulo ko rin yan lol) is an easier task than determining it accurately. You telling us that more "likely" E5 is LM's passaggio and being quick to add more assumptions out of it is already an indication that you DONT KNOW what you are talking about. Lol
Further, you thought mixing classical and pop singing is acceptable. when in fact there are reasons why its a big no-no. Take for example LMs somewhere wherein bigla siyang nag-aria. Gumanda ba? Sobrang SAGWA di ba? Sirangsira yung kanta! Kahit kaninong voice teacher mo itanong they will NOT suggest this kind of practice! Because if that is so, pwede ng silang magretire lahat. Kung totoong music student ka dapat alam mo yan. It's not negotiable lol! Napakabasic dude haha!
Worst, you don't even know the meaning of blending of registers. You thought its just simply mixing the head and chest voice. While blending of registers takes a truly gifted instrument and lots of hardwork to achieve. Because we are talking of covering the WHOLE range where a singer can produce a balanced and consistent sound. Lol! Sabagay, LANI doesn't have it even in a less stricter sense. The result? pabagobago timber niya kapag nakanta. So yeah it's understandable why YOU FIND IT HARD TO DIGEST! lol
And you are talking of stylistic preference to hide a more obvious fact that Lani's instrument cannot produce a desirable "pop" sound. Pangkundiman (or sige non-legit aria) talaga ang natural built ng boses niya. It's not As if she can choose. And since you love comparison I am 100% sure that She doesn't have that deep chesty yet consistent beautiful sound of Whitney during her prime. And it's evident in this video. She doesn't possess the vocal ability to give justice to a mariah song. She doesn't have d support, control and skills Pavarotti enjoyed.
And IF IM TO NITPICK, I have yet to see her execute a song perfectly. Lahat ng live perf niya na napanood ko Laging May note/notes na SABLAY. If you happen to have an idea where she displayed perfect vocals IM DYING to watch it. Coz the links you're providing here are giving us more reason to believe that her voice is not UP THERE to be worthy of a serious technical discussions. Lol
Lani has accomplished a lot with that voice. May mga naloloko din naman siya. Jowk Lang! Haha! Leave it at that and be thankful! But to describe her singing skill and her instrument as something that it is NOT? And applying vocal descriptions and theories you just read on the internet to make an impression that Lani's voice possessed such traits or to neatly "launder" her flaws? Please!!! We are not that stupid!
Finally, you claim to know her flaws but you're obviously DENYING the cause of it. And oh! The "mucus excuse" literally made me roll on the floor laughing. I can't believe you'll go as low as that to hide Lani's vocal limits. In my honest opinion, she's NOT as skilled as you want to believe and the instrument itself is INCAPABLE of handling register demands that require different levels of chest adjustments. Hindi kelangan ng google at books! You don't even need dozens of singers to understand her voice. COMMON SENSE at acceptance pwede na. Haha
+KusanagiRai if you need help in determining parts of this video that shows Lani's vocal flaws then stop pretending that you are some sort of vocal pedagogy expert.
Every singer can mix their head and chest voice. Its more of instinctual. You say that LM can mix beyond her 1st and 2nd passagi. To start with do you even know where LMs passagio lies? How did you measure it? Even voice teachers nagkakamali pa in measuring their students' passaggio. If you can't even determine the flaws in this video how can you determine LMs 1st an 2nd passaggio. I wonder. Lol! Besides LM is not really a legit classical singer where technical imperfection is not welcomed nicely. Since this is a pop song. Let's just use the term break and defer the necessity of using terms that are actually applicable to classical singing. May nagnonosebleed na dito. Kawawa naman haha!
As for the "mix and blending" argument. LM can mix like any other singers, but most LM videos I have watched already showed evidences that there is an imbalance activity between her two registers. her chest dominant notes are usually shaky and sometimes you can't hear certain notes she should be hitting, there is no beauty! Laging Pagalit at Minsan installment basis pa ang bagsak ng mga notes! Lol! an indication that the pulling function of her headvoice is lacking and the engagement of chest voice is improperly executed. When she tries to apply her headvoice, the chest voice is almost non-existent to the point that she sounds like a different person. That is NOT blending! Blending of both registers is where you can achieve consistent tone as if there is NO break. This is the very flaw of Lani's vocals. She cannot work on her breaks. That's why when she change registers esp. From head to chest, MADUMI. Tapos ikaclassical pa? It's like hearing 2 to 3 persons singing without connection. blending or mixing doesn't work like that!
If you are a music student you prolly know already that mixing pop and classical singing in a single vocal performance is major NO-NO. Lol!
Trained and/or professional singers don't do that! It shows the difference between a mere ENTERTAINER AND A LEGIT DIVA or VOCAL ARTIST! Further and contrary to what you are trying to feed us, Lani's voice even at C5 lacks the metallic quality of a true belt. If she tries to add a little more power to it, gegewang na naman. The characteristics of Lani's instrument is NOT meant for belting where chest voice dominates. I maintain that she sounds beautiful doing those headtones but to say she has balanced registers? I highly doubt that. Her vocal performances in this concert shows clear evidences that there is no blending of registers where a singer plays her instrument like a piano. Ung kanya Kung saan saan nanggagaling. Kaya messy pakinggan.
And you are mentioning Pavarotti with Reference to Lani singing Whitney song? How more messed up is that? Lol! You analyze a singer based on what the instrument is ACTUALLY giving you to appropriately measure its capabilities and not based on comparison and definitely not by applying facts that is EXISTENT to other singers but not to LM.
Abc Music *You said: "if you need help in determining parts of this video that shows Lani's vocal flaws then stop pretending that you are some sort of vocal pedagogy expert."*
Wait a minute. LOL. I never said that.
You were saying: "how come you find it hard to see the obvious vocal flaws?" This implicitly assumes that we DID NOT see the flaws. So in response I asked you to point out were anybody claimed her performance to be flawless.
In other words, the notion that I'm finding it hard to see the flaws in her Whitney medley is incorrect because I DO see the flaws.
Get it now?
I never claimed to be an "expert,' either. That is solely an ill-founded assumption on your part. :)
*You said: "To start with do you even know where LMs passagio lies? How did you measure it?"*
Read Richard Miller if you want a good starting point. You could also try "Singing, The Mechanism and the Technique." by William Vennard if you're really into this. There is also a lot of pertinent scientific journals available on the NCVS website. You will find there is about a half-octave gap between two passaggi, at least in many cases. At the moment, I have no interest in discussing the particulars.
Anyway, I have been listening to Lani for a number of years now. I'm quite sure where her voice naturally "covers" in the 5th octave: around E5. Covering is a vowel-deepening phenomenon that should naturally occur around the passaggi. Otherwise the sound might sound quacky, splatted, strained, or it simply breaks. Here, Pavarotti demonstrates switching to a covered sound around his passaggio at F#4:
watch?v=uo6dDQiBGyI
Here, Lani ascends to E5. Listen to "love" and notice how it begins to sound like "laaaouv" as she approaches E5. This narrowing or darkening of the vowel is the covering effect taking place:
watch?v=HIYslj9xEQQ&t=1m18s
In the following clip, American tenor Rockwell Blake talks about the cover (which he calls "dark timbre") in greater detail:
watch?v=2oZ2AcaPb7o
Above E5 is also where Lani tends to flip to head voice. Flipping registers/breaking is common around or above the passaggi. Incidentally, upon Miller's observations, the second passaggio occurs around Eb5 to F#5 in mezzo-soprano and soprano voices. Lani's E5 runs smack into that area. Therefore, I'd say it's likely that her 2nd passaggio lies around E5. :)
*You said: "Laging Pagalit at Minsan installment basis pa ang bagsak ng mga notes! Lol!"*
And, as I said, these rough notes seem to happen around F#5. Around that area, she often has to either blast it out or sing in pure head voice. :)
*You said: "That is NOT blending! Blending of both registers is where you can achieve consistent tone as if there is NO break [...] This is the very flaw of Lani's vocals. She cannot work on her breaks. That's why when she change registers esp. From head to chest, MADUMI. Tapos ikaclassical..."*
Not sure what the problem is. I merely qualified your "blending argument" and stated where the blending problems actually happen, as far as my observatons are concerned (around F#5). Nobody's denying the problem at all.
*You said: "mixing pop and classical singing in a single vocal performance is major NO-NO."*
It depends on whether it sounds good and fulfills the performer's musical desires. Lani's Queen of the Night/Diva Dance mash-up sounds cool to me.
Outside the cloistered environments of strict stylistic traditions such as bel canto, it doesn't matter if you want to cry, sob, creak, use head voice or flageolet or animal sounds, scream, or combine any of these effects in your performance, as long as it's what you really want to be doing and you feel you're expressing yourself properly. In contemporary performance, your "no-no's" are unnecessary and arbitrary limitations.
watch?v=hjEsQWoBU_o
In art, the sky is the limit. :)
*You said: "Trained and/or professional singers don't do that! It shows the difference between a mere ENTERTAINER AND A LEGIT DIVA or VOCAL ARTIST!"*
Sorry, but I have no interest in your opinions on "real singing" or "legit divas". My interest, as far as your initial comment is concerned, is only to clarify the strengths and weaknesses of Lani's technique.
*You said: "Lani's voice even at C5 lacks the metallic quality of a true belt."*
I disagree. Still, I'd like an example that shows your point--a clip, a particular performance, or a time stamp showing Lani's C5.
*You said: "And you are mentioning Pavarotti with Reference to Lani singing Whitney song?"*
Nope. I mentioned Pavarotti to illustrate the point that even with range limitations a singer can be "free". You seriously need to read more carefully. :)
But you can disagree with me all you want. I'm not here to "convert" anybody to "Lanism" or anything. Female belters' techniques are simply a subject that interests me at present; and because I particularly like Lani's tone, I enjoy talking about her singing. If you don't like it, no problemo.
In any case, my desire for chatting has waned. So I am just going to leave you with this reply and bid you adieu. ;) It's up to you and the other potential readers to decide which parts of our conversation make sense and which don't.
KusanagiRai You keep asking here about the missed parts right? there is a difference between seeing those flaws and actually understanding where it came from and why it happened.
Lani's passagi:
you said Likely. So its just an assumption there is no measuring that happened? Because you CANNOT just conclude on one's passaggio and just tally it with what you read in books and hear in her performances. It doesnt work like that. There is a noticeable change in Lani's vocal quality at C5 even on some notes LOWER than that which you fail to observe, too. But i cannot claim that her true passaggio lies here and there because there is no actual measurement that happened. Worst, you make further claims that she can mix beyond her passaggio when there is no factual basis for saying that her passaggio is E5. haha
Nope most of her chest dominant notes falls below F#5. Minsan pasok pa lang niya may gewang na. very unstable chest voice.
Blending:
That's the problem when you just read articles or books on singing without really knowing why the term exist and how blending of registers is done. You cannot say that there is "blending of registers" happening if there is a problem beyond F#5. lol! Though I still maintain that her UNMUSICAL notes mostly happens below that range.
Lani has destroyed a lot of songs because of this pop-aria antics. Sa totoo lang ang pangit pakinggan. Napakabihira na maayos ang pasok ng pag-aaria niya sa mga pop songs. lol! but of course its a matter of preference. Again, there is NO real BLENDING using this style. lol
I also happened to watched some clips of LM videos and I maintain that her voice lacks color, loudness and balance at C5. very noticeable change in quality, I wonder why you failed to notice that. lol
Abc Music This looks fun. I shall indulge you for a while longer.
*You said: "You keep asking here about the missed parts right?"*
Wrong. What I said was: "I'm struggling to find the part where it is claimed that Lani's performance was flawless."
Part.
Where.
It is CLAIMED.
That the performance was flawless.
Now, pay attention and follow me:
Who makes CLAIMS here? The commenters. Now, if I pose the question, "Where is the part where Point X is claimed," what does "part" refer to? Obviously some part of the comments, because the concern is what has been CLAIMED, and CLAIMS refer to comments, arguments, points, or ideas stated by people (e.g., me, ForEighteen, rjayiscool, etc.).
Reading comprehension is your friend.
*You said: "there is a difference between seeing those flaws and actually understanding..."*
Dude, you were asking us: "How come you find it hard to see the obvious vocal flaws in this specific video?" Keyword: SEE. These are your own words. Therefore, whether the flaws were "seen" was your concern, and I answered in kind. "Understanding" is a completely different animal from "seeing".
Let me abridge the relevant exchange so you can see what you're doing:
*You:* How can you not see it?
*Me:* I can actually see it.
*You:* But...but seeing is different from understanding!
:)) C'mon, silly!
Moreover, I have had a drawn-out discussion with 'resiti velnur' on the possible causes of the flaws. I don't want to reiterate them.
I feel like I'm in that weird part of TH-cam...
*You said: "Because you CANNOT just conclude on one's passaggio and just tally it with what you read in books and hear in her performances."*
I just did. It's up to you if wish to reject it, especially if you have counter-evidence.
But I cited some of the scientific literature and explained it in relation to the resonance shifts around the frequency area in question. And all you're telling me is, "Oh, but you can't be sure!"
That kind of reasoning precludes any discussion on the specifics of the often precarious regions of the voice. If we are to fruitfully engage in such a discussion, we will be forced to rely on sound and audio clips and established literature to form sensible inferences, as we don't have Lani herself in front of us or explaining things to us.
If all you say is, "Well we can't be sure about anything," then there is no point to any of this.
*You said: "There is a noticeable change in Lani's vocal quality at C5 even on some notes LOWER than that which you fail to observe, too."*
Clips, clips, clips...
*You said: "Worst, you make further claims that she can mix beyond her passaggio when there is no factual basis for saying that her passaggio is E5."*
I directed you to Miller and Vennard, didn't I? A "factual basis" is a variable that is observed in nature. Its implications are, in the course of our discussion, theoretical, but this doesn't annul the factual characteristic of the literature and sounds provided. Miller, Vennard, Titze, and others have observed that the 2nd passaggio tends to lie somewhere between Eb5 and F#5 in mezzo-sopranos snd sopranos. That is a factual basis: a scientific consensus.
*You said: "Nope most of her chest dominant notes falls below F#5."*
Exactly what I'm saying. Her best chest-dominant notes occur below F#5.
You seem to be just trolling around now. :))
*You said: "You cannot say that there is "blending of registers" happening if there is a problem beyond F#5."*
Yes I can. She can actually stretch her vocalis (thickening muscle) activity beyond F#5, at least to perform a "legit" or heady mix (like her G#5 and F#5 in "Tayong Dalawa") and can apply head resonance (twang) below F#5 (which is clearly shown by the metallic characteristic of her A4 in "Tayong Dalawa"). Here are examples of her chestier G5s.
watch?v=1FPbkOpaF-Y&t=3m27s
watch?v=HJiKo04VsrE&t=2m20s
However, around the pitch area in question, she can't consistently sing in a good mix. This is obvious to the both of us. Velnur calls it a hit and miss, which is something we agree on. In other words, she can do it, but she has not mastered it.
You see, there are degrees of mastery. In training, this is called progression, which I should not have to explain. This is not merely a question of "happening and not happening," black and white, or 0 and 1. There are shades of grey in between.
*You said: "I also happened to watched some clips of LM videos and I maintain that her voice lacks color, loudness and balance at C5. very noticeable change in quality."*
Well, which clips? Where? Show us these C5s. I at least have been directing you to pertinent clips and scientific observations to explain my points. Now, you're making claims and your only basis is "Well I watched some clips and her C5 sounds like shit." :D
Reveal those clips.
P.S.: Actually, I'm already familiar with Lani's C5, so I'm not really thrilled. Thus, I am going to stop here, unless you manage to surprise me again in a manner that elicits a response. Once again, I bid you adieu.
KusanagiRai Can I apply as your student? You sound like a maestro to me.
KusanagiRai no matter how you try to sugarcoat your comments with googled articles, attack my reading comprehension and spin the argument to suit your self serving assumptions, it doesn't change my impression that you are talking of things that you DO NOT FULLY understand.
knowing the meaning of passaggio (saulo ko rin yan lol) is an easier task than determining it accurately. You telling us that more "likely" E5 is LM's passaggio and being quick to add more assumptions out of it is already an indication that you DONT KNOW what you are talking about. Lol
Further, you thought mixing classical and pop singing is acceptable. when in fact there are reasons why its a big no-no. Take for example LMs somewhere wherein bigla siyang nag-aria. Gumanda ba? Sobrang SAGWA di ba? Sirangsira yung kanta! Kahit kaninong voice teacher mo itanong they will NOT suggest this kind of practice! Because if that is so, pwede ng silang magretire lahat. Kung totoong music student ka dapat alam mo yan. It's not negotiable lol! Napakabasic dude haha!
Worst, you don't even know the meaning of blending of registers. You thought its just simply mixing the head and chest voice. While blending of registers takes a truly gifted instrument and lots of hardwork to achieve. Because we are talking of covering the WHOLE range where a singer can produce a balanced and consistent sound. Lol! Sabagay, LANI doesn't have it even in a less stricter sense. The result? pabagobago timber niya kapag nakanta. So yeah it's understandable why YOU FIND IT HARD TO DIGEST! lol
And you are talking of stylistic preference to hide a more obvious fact that Lani's instrument cannot produce a desirable "pop" sound. Pangkundiman (or sige non-legit aria) talaga ang natural built ng boses niya. It's not As if she can choose. And since you love comparison I am 100% sure that She doesn't have that deep chesty yet consistent beautiful sound of Whitney during her prime. And it's evident in this video. She doesn't possess the vocal ability to give justice to a mariah song. She doesn't have d support, control and skills Pavarotti enjoyed.
And IF IM TO NITPICK, I have yet to see her execute a song perfectly. LAHAT ng live perf niya na napanood ko Laging May note/notes na SABLAY. If you happen to have an idea where she displayed perfect vocals IM DYING to watch it. Hahaha! Coz the links you're providing here are giving us more reasons to believe that her voice is not UP THERE to be worthy of a serious technical discussions. lol
Lani has accomplished a lot with that voice. May mga naloloko din naman siya. Jowk Lang! Haha! Leave it at that and be thankful! But to describe her singing skill and her instrument as something that it is NOT? And applying vocal descriptions and theories you just read on the internet to make an impression that Lani's voice possessed such traits or to neatly "launder" her flaws? Please!!! We are not that stupid! Maloloko mo siguro ang iba pero HINDI lahat.
Finally, you claim to know her flaws but you're obviously DENYING the cause of it. And oh! The "mucus excuse" literally made me roll on the floor laughing. I can't believe you'll go AS LOW as that to hide Lani's vocal limits. In my honest opinion, she's NOT as skilled as you want to believe and the instrument itself is INCAPABLE of handling register demands that require different levels of chest adjustments. Hindi kelangan ng google at books! You don't even need dozens of singers to understand her voice. COMMON SENSE at acceptance pwede na. Hahaha
Daming flat naman.. But still a legend,