Let's put 5s in the Arrma Outcast 4s V2.5! Does it make this RC basher monster truck perfect? Will it be better than the 4s Traxxas Maxx for RC bashing? Let's find out together!
Im not to particular when it comes to power, just depends what car im running i run a 2S bandit, all the way to a 8S Xmaxx and XRT....and anything in-between....Thanks for all the electronics help on your channel i have lots to learn in that area!!!!
Yeah I think a lot of people don't know 5S is even an option so it's definitely something that's cool to explore. Even if it's running a bit less power on a 6S truck or being able to get away with running more power on a 4S truck without having to replace the motor.
I started about a month ago running on 5s for the first time and really like it. The Hobbywing WP-8BL150 being used doesn’t recognize 5s (6 beeps) but it has crazy LVC settings, like 2.6v and 2.8v, which didn’t make much sense until I realized those cutoffs must be for gap voltages like 5s. A few runs with voltage checks and I was able to dial in the right LVC to use with it.
I was thinking about that but it isn't rated for the weight of these vehicles. It might be okay but I bashed in a pretty hot client in the summer and so I always like to have a lot of overhead in my hardware.
@@DoRC The Mamba X is 6s rated with the same cryo cooling that the 8s rated MMX8S has. It can handle any of the Arrma 4s cars. Or you can go with the Mamba monster X. Older ESC but about as big as the Tekin ESC. It also reads 5s. That's the biggest advantage to Castle products. They read any voltage. The quick run that you mentioned is a pretty good ESC too. I had an old Quick run 150 that you could set to 5s as well. I'm a big fan of 5s 😀
@GreatLakesRC It's possible it would be fine but the manual for the mamba x states that the maximum RTR weight is 9 lb and with a 5S battery my truck weighs over 11 and a half pounds. They also state that that 9 lb weight comes with a 4S limitation. Again it might be fine but I really don't like pushing stuff that hard. The Mamba monster x would almost certainly be great but at more than double the price of the 8bl150 G2 that's a hard one to justify.
Yeah a lot of the castle ESCs will and it looks like most of the newest hobby wing ones will so I think it's going to become more of an option for people as time goes on.
Yes I run the 2000kv Tekin motor as well. But I do run it without the sensor wire with that motor and it's obviously not as smooth but fine for bashing. Racing it's a must have though imo
@tripletrc5654 Yeah I noticed at least with the one I was running initial acceleration is pretty violent. I do have a sensored motor and tried it with that. Made a huge difference. I'm sure Tekin doesn't spend a huge amount of time tuning their sensorless operation since the vast majority of people will be running them with a sensor. I'd be interested in trying them more but unfortunately they're not waterproof and that's kind of a requirement for me
Yah forsure all my other rigs have to be waterproof as well, the Tekno is the only one I don't run in wet conditions. To much time tuning to just run anywhere lol. Love your vids dawg keep up the good work. 💪👏🤙😎
It definitely just depends on what your goals are. I'm usually trying to push everything to its absolute limits. On this platform it seems like 6S doesn't really give you anything more than 5S.
@FunkyHuants666 That's a tough one. I haven't really run any 8s lipos. Most 8S cars take two 4S lipos. I think SMC has 8s lipos and I've had good luck in general with SMC batteries.
I actually just went back and realized you had asked me about the X-Max before that. Yeah The X-Max actually takes two 4s batteries. SMC has X-Max specific batteries but if you have any questions about the options you can contact them. They are US-based company and they're pretty responsive.
I have the V2. Waiting for the center diff conversion to come off backorder from horizon hobby. Which is ridiculous. But anyway I have the 6s BLX motor and the hobby wing Max 8 ESC on my outcast v2. The truck is absolutely nuts on 4s.
@@DoRC l have a 7075 slipper clutch hub snapped several of the stock weak factory slipper clutch hubs with that powerful system l have on it. I have to say in the 20 years l have been in this hobby the outcast v2 and the Teckno rc mt410 are my 2 most favorite trucks l have ever owned. I am addicted to huge jumps and both of these trucks sore like eagles through the sky.
Nice job wish most esc support 5s. Sweet spot is 4s in light 1/8 scale, Kaiju Zd Pirate 2/3, 6s definitely in all Corally trucks and 1/7 scale 150a 4268 plus motors. You get into the 15 plus pounds you need 6s!
Agreed. It is nice to see that the latest hobby wing ones do though. At the moment I think the biggest hurdle is just lack of good 5S batteries. A lot of the 5S packs out there are designed for helicopters and are long and thin.
@@DoRC nice I have get some of that shrink wrap you have , the hard cases are cool but I always end up cutting the cases off to repair a balance wire and realize how much smaller without the case the batteries are . I have hoove 4s 120c 6200 and without the case it fits in lot rcs it otherwise wouldn’t. I’m glad you bought that HRB I have it my kart but I could see how it looks compared to Trey before you beefed it up with foam lol . I’m always trying to protect the batteries myself but never works out good , I mostly just put piece of pit yoga” Matt in the battery Trey to soften the impacts vibration. I think it’s time to come up with better way to conceal the balance wires , so fragile but maybe I’m just cheap and we aren’t supposed to keep these batteries that long .
@RcPlayer-tt2vw Yeah I've broken more batteries than I've worn out by far. I wouldn't recommend the silliness I did in the video. After recording it I realized I completely eliminated my ability to see if the battery is puffing by doing that which is not a good thing.
It's a shame Hobbywing don't have the ESC settings for 5s, I would think they could to do it with a pretty simple software update. 5s for light weight 8th scale vehicles like buggies makes a lot of sense to me. Oh I didn't realise the new Hobbywing does 5s that's pretty sweet 😛
Oh man I didn’t know hobbywing didn’t recognize 5s , but atleast the g2 has which sucks because I wanted 5 s for my typhon and I have max 6 g1 in it because the sensor wires kept getting beat up running the g2 max 8 so to protect that esc I put it in a more stable platform after fixing those little wires
@@DoRC where do I buy that meter to test , I like you can see the true amperage, I fried a charger I had and it had a lot of features, now I’m using one I can’t see anything . I’m going just buy the duo 400 again it only lasted one year but I used it pretty much every day multiple times , touch screen too . I can’t think of the brand but I’m sure you know or have an idea . It’s the Cadillac of Amazon charges 😂
@RcPlayer-tt2vw take a look at the hota S6. It's a really good charger that has all the features you need at a decent price. There are a couple places you can get the ESR meter. Just look up lipo ESR meter II And you'll find it. It's not cheap but it is a great way to keep track of things and get an actual honest account of what your battery's health is and what it's capable of.
Technically it's possible. The problem is that it can be difficult to get a matched pair of batteries that way and given that the ESC only sees the total voltage of both batteries and has no idea what each battery's individual voltage is you can end up undervolting one battery if they discharge unevenly. You'll need to run them together for a few minutes then check the voltages and do that through a pack or two and make sure that they discharge fairly evenly. If they do you will probably be okay but they also might age differently so it's something that needs to be monitored over time.
It's the voltage of the BEC. The BEC is a thing that powers the other electronics on the car. Many servos are capable of handling higher voltages and higher voltages will provide more power to your servo. Just be aware of that some receivers and some servos can't handle more than 6 volts so you need to look at the actual specifications for your hardware before changing it
@@brianjessen2296 The one in the video is a Tekin rx8 but the new hobby wing 8BL 150 will also do 5S and it's a much better choice. I just didn't have one.
Technically yes however the ESC only understands the total voltage of both batteries so if the two batteries don't discharge in lockstep one of them is going to end up at a lower voltage than the other. If this difference is large enough you could end up undervolting one of the batteries. The only way to know if this will happen is to try it with the two batteries you want to use. You can charge them up, take them out and run them for a few minutes. Then check the cell voltages. If the cell voltage is stay very similar to each other throughout the discharge then they will probably be okay together. This might change over time though as the two batteries age differently so it's something you would have to keep track of.
That batt checker is cool!
Yup!
Im not to particular when it comes to power, just depends what car im running i run a 2S bandit, all the way to a 8S Xmaxx and XRT....and anything in-between....Thanks for all the electronics help on your channel i have lots to learn in that area!!!!
Yeah I think a lot of people don't know 5S is even an option so it's definitely something that's cool to explore. Even if it's running a bit less power on a 6S truck or being able to get away with running more power on a 4S truck without having to replace the motor.
I started about a month ago running on 5s for the first time and really like it. The Hobbywing WP-8BL150 being used doesn’t recognize 5s (6 beeps) but it has crazy LVC settings, like 2.6v and 2.8v, which didn’t make much sense until I realized those cutoffs must be for gap voltages like 5s. A few runs with voltage checks and I was able to dial in the right LVC to use with it.
According to the manual for the 8 BL 150 G2 you can manually set the LVC for 5S.
Did you have an issue with cogging with this esc and what motor are you running?
@@_bairsoft No cogging. Hobbywing 4068
@@JT-6s what kv rating
@@_bairsoft 2100kv. This is in a Kaiju EXT, which is a super light vehicle.
The Mamba X is also compatible with 5s. It's a great option for the Arrma 4s line 👍
I was thinking about that but it isn't rated for the weight of these vehicles. It might be okay but I bashed in a pretty hot client in the summer and so I always like to have a lot of overhead in my hardware.
@@DoRC The Mamba X is 6s rated with the same cryo cooling that the 8s rated MMX8S has. It can handle any of the Arrma 4s cars. Or you can go with the Mamba monster X. Older ESC but about as big as the Tekin ESC. It also reads 5s. That's the biggest advantage to Castle products. They read any voltage. The quick run that you mentioned is a pretty good ESC too. I had an old Quick run 150 that you could set to 5s as well. I'm a big fan of 5s 😀
@GreatLakesRC It's possible it would be fine but the manual for the mamba x states that the maximum RTR weight is 9 lb and with a 5S battery my truck weighs over 11 and a half pounds. They also state that that 9 lb weight comes with a 4S limitation.
Again it might be fine but I really don't like pushing stuff that hard.
The Mamba monster x would almost certainly be great but at more than double the price of the 8bl150 G2 that's a hard one to justify.
Very cool video...I've always thought a lot of my larger RC's would perform just right on 5 cell but none of my ESC's will run it.
Yeah a lot of the castle ESCs will and it looks like most of the newest hobby wing ones will so I think it's going to become more of an option for people as time goes on.
Hell yeah!🎉 hey man what oil do you run in your center diff on that. Ty for posting
I usually run the stock fluid with a little bit of ear plug to tighten it up. Probably ends up around 1 million total
Can’t wait for you to get the kraton exb v2 to do your overview and tear downs there great very informative!
Should be tomorrow!
Tekin is what I run in my et48 2.0 m2c build and it's so smooth so nice to drive. Definitely my favorite car to drive.
Do you run yours with a sensored motor?
Yes I run the 2000kv Tekin motor as well. But I do run it without the sensor wire with that motor and it's obviously not as smooth but fine for bashing. Racing it's a must have though imo
@tripletrc5654 Yeah I noticed at least with the one I was running initial acceleration is pretty violent. I do have a sensored motor and tried it with that. Made a huge difference. I'm sure Tekin doesn't spend a huge amount of time tuning their sensorless operation since the vast majority of people will be running them with a sensor.
I'd be interested in trying them more but unfortunately they're not waterproof and that's kind of a requirement for me
Yah forsure all my other rigs have to be waterproof as well, the Tekno is the only one I don't run in wet conditions. To much time tuning to just run anywhere lol. Love your vids dawg keep up the good work. 💪👏🤙😎
@tripletrc5654 Thanks Glad you enjoy!
Definitely want to see your battery video. I have a few dead lipo and any place that will take em charge a minimum of $20 per cell to take them.
It's definitely on the list and will be coming out soon!
So powerful and the truck loves it
Agreed. I think 5S really is the best option for this truck.
I didn’t even know they made 5s packs lol
Sweet spot for me is 3s, 4s is just bonkers, 5s is absolute overkill and 6s is ridiculous!!!!!
It definitely just depends on what your goals are. I'm usually trying to push everything to its absolute limits. On this platform it seems like 6S doesn't really give you anything more than 5S.
Love your RC content! Think I might be getting an XMaxx. Awesome video!
Definitely a good choice! There are a lot of fun :-)
@@DoRC yes they look very fun! Also I have a question, what kind of 8S lipo would you recommend? Thanks!
@FunkyHuants666 That's a tough one. I haven't really run any 8s lipos. Most 8S cars take two 4S lipos. I think SMC has 8s lipos and I've had good luck in general with SMC batteries.
@@DoRC ok thank you!
I actually just went back and realized you had asked me about the X-Max before that. Yeah The X-Max actually takes two 4s batteries. SMC has X-Max specific batteries but if you have any questions about the options you can contact them. They are US-based company and they're pretty responsive.
I have the V2. Waiting for the center diff conversion to come off backorder from horizon hobby. Which is ridiculous. But anyway I have the 6s BLX motor and the hobby wing Max 8 ESC on my outcast v2. The truck is absolutely nuts on 4s.
Yeah the center differential actually teams it down a little bit which mayor may not be a good thing depending on how you look at it.
@@DoRC l have a 7075 slipper clutch hub snapped several of the stock weak factory slipper clutch hubs with that powerful system l have on it. I have to say in the 20 years l have been in this hobby the outcast v2 and the Teckno rc mt410 are my 2 most favorite trucks l have ever owned. I am addicted to huge jumps and both of these trucks sore like eagles through the sky.
@@Schmidt3850 agreed. They're both really good trucks!
just what I needed to see
Happy to help!
Nice job wish most esc support 5s. Sweet spot is 4s in light 1/8 scale, Kaiju Zd Pirate 2/3, 6s definitely in all Corally trucks and 1/7 scale 150a 4268 plus motors. You get into the 15 plus pounds you need 6s!
Agreed. It is nice to see that the latest hobby wing ones do though. At the moment I think the biggest hurdle is just lack of good 5S batteries. A lot of the 5S packs out there are designed for helicopters and are long and thin.
Yep that one you bought and one other are only two I could find on Amazon . And the 6s ones are cheaper
@RcPlayer-tt2vw Yeah the 5S batteries are kind of specialty. Power hobby makes one that looks really promising though. It's hard case as well
@@DoRC nice I have get some of that shrink wrap you have , the hard cases are cool but I always end up cutting the cases off to repair a balance wire and realize how much smaller without the case the batteries are . I have hoove 4s 120c 6200 and without the case it fits in lot rcs it otherwise wouldn’t. I’m glad you bought that HRB I have it my kart but I could see how it looks compared to Trey before you beefed it up with foam lol . I’m always trying to protect the batteries myself but never works out good , I mostly just put piece of pit yoga” Matt in the battery Trey to soften the impacts vibration. I think it’s time to come up with better way to conceal the balance wires , so fragile but maybe I’m just cheap and we aren’t supposed to keep these batteries that long .
@RcPlayer-tt2vw Yeah I've broken more batteries than I've worn out by far. I wouldn't recommend the silliness I did in the video. After recording it I realized I completely eliminated my ability to see if the battery is puffing by doing that which is not a good thing.
yes sir back in my day we had Tekin and Novak for all your ESC needs
Yeah I remember when I first got started Novak was the holy Grail!
hello, great video
Hi thanks!
I thought 5s was perfect for my maxx, and 5s is perfect for my tekno mt 410, wondering if I will want to try this on my outcast, just got one today.
Definitely give it a shot! I think you'll like it. What battery are you running?
@@DoRC hrb 5000mah 50c
It's a shame Hobbywing don't have the ESC settings for 5s, I would think they could to do it with a pretty simple software update. 5s for light weight 8th scale vehicles like buggies makes a lot of sense to me. Oh I didn't realise the new Hobbywing does 5s that's pretty sweet 😛
Yeah the new G2 ESEs all seem to have the ability.
Oh man I didn’t know hobbywing didn’t recognize 5s , but atleast the g2 has which sucks because I wanted 5 s for my typhon and I have max 6 g1 in it because the sensor wires kept getting beat up running the g2 max 8 so to protect that esc I put it in a more stable platform after fixing those little wires
@@DoRC oh that's great not something I had heard publicised good to know cheers
@@DoRC does the quicrun 8bl150 G2 support 5s as well?
@@ValRC1 yup!
Nice
Thanks It was a lot of fun to make!
We buy the same batteries 😂 , I’m going be running 5s myself ,
That battery tester you have is cool , I want one
His battery seems pretty good though it is a little light on capacity.
@@DoRC where do I buy that meter to test , I like you can see the true amperage, I fried a charger I had and it had a lot of features, now I’m using one I can’t see anything . I’m going just buy the duo 400 again it only lasted one year but I used it pretty much every day multiple times , touch screen too . I can’t think of the brand but I’m sure you know or have an idea . It’s the Cadillac of Amazon charges 😂
@RcPlayer-tt2vw take a look at the hota S6. It's a really good charger that has all the features you need at a decent price.
There are a couple places you can get the ESR meter. Just look up lipo ESR meter II And you'll find it. It's not cheap but it is a great way to keep track of things and get an actual honest account of what your battery's health is and what it's capable of.
Where did you get that shrink wrap?
I got it on Amazon. There's a million different flavors of it.
can i use one 3s lipo and second lipo that is 2s?
Technically it's possible. The problem is that it can be difficult to get a matched pair of batteries that way and given that the ESC only sees the total voltage of both batteries and has no idea what each battery's individual voltage is you can end up undervolting one battery if they discharge unevenly. You'll need to run them together for a few minutes then check the voltages and do that through a pack or two and make sure that they discharge fairly evenly. If they do you will probably be okay but they also might age differently so it's something that needs to be monitored over time.
Whats the diffrent between 6,0v and 7,4v in the settings?
It's the voltage of the BEC. The BEC is a thing that powers the other electronics on the car. Many servos are capable of handling higher voltages and higher voltages will provide more power to your servo. Just be aware of that some receivers and some servos can't handle more than 6 volts so you need to look at the actual specifications for your hardware before changing it
What esc did you use so you can run 5s?
@@brianjessen2296 The one in the video is a Tekin rx8 but the new hobby wing 8BL 150 will also do 5S and it's a much better choice. I just didn't have one.
is it possible to run a 3s and 2s together?
Technically yes however the ESC only understands the total voltage of both batteries so if the two batteries don't discharge in lockstep one of them is going to end up at a lower voltage than the other. If this difference is large enough you could end up undervolting one of the batteries. The only way to know if this will happen is to try it with the two batteries you want to use. You can charge them up, take them out and run them for a few minutes. Then check the cell voltages. If the cell voltage is stay very similar to each other throughout the discharge then they will probably be okay together. This might change over time though as the two batteries age differently so it's something you would have to keep track of.
@@DoRC very interesting stuff, TY
@@Blimpus You're welcome :-)