I've been using a FRFR setup since they became a thing in the early AxeFx days. It's the way to go if you can understand and accept that you need to work everything else in sync that is 'guitar-oriented'' (including plugins, EQ settings, pedal settings, PA setup, FOH person, etc). It provides a baseplate for a much more versatile sound - although you do need to shift your thinking about what a cab does and how you incorporate it into your chain. It pairs extremely well with flatter response, high-headroom pickups (I use volt-modded EMGs) for maximum tone-shaping capacity.
Would love to know how it sounds as a pseudo PA speaker, i.e. with acoustic guitar and vocals routed into the Aux input whilst running electric guitar as usual. Will it give good tonal range and balance for those extra signals? And how does it tonally compare with the Fender Tone Master FRFR 10 (and/or 12) for the same 3-signal use?
Thanx for a dB reading. With a classic backline with only the vocals using a mic anything less than getting 95dB from a guitar amp and you are royally screwed. Until they make a volume knob for a drummer than a 95dB is the 11th Commandment. Also THANX for the feedback thing. It too is a mandatory function. In a classic guitar, bass and drums and muggins here doing ALL the singing anything less than what I can do with my 50 watt Plexi is a no go. I just swapped over to a Friedman IR-X tube pre. I have yet to find adequate amplification. For the record the Plexi will be retired to the corner of the room but NEVER sold, 😇
I subscribe to both real amps and cabs in WDW. As a secondary option I have an AXEFX3 and QC that I’ll use as a second option with a stereo power amplifier. Assuming this can do stereo by having a second cab. I wonder if WDW setup can be accomplished with 3 of these?
First of all, thanks for doing that video. My opinion: We talk about FRFR, so we talk about a sound which comes with an IR loaded and produced...and the keypoint is, an IR is an already miced up speaker, so there is the character of the used microphone included. Wouldn't it be better, to just use your room mic, instead of close micing this cabinet? I think, that would represent the over all sound more realistic. And at some point you said, that you could mic the cab for live...which would be totally insane, because it would change your actual sound again...why micing an signal which already simulates a mic speaker? ;) This cab seems great for on stage monitoring or practice with band and get back that "real" feeling, like playing an amp/cab in the good old days. 😊 Sending the IR sound to FOH is the best, savest and easiest way to deliver a guitar sound.
@@joewebrocks I know it’s not really meant for close micing…I just did it in this video because the direct output isn’t working yet because the software where you can load IRs isn’t available yet…I could have distance miced it but I don’t really have enough space in my studio so I close miced it. The mic I use to talk into was peaking when I had the volume up high so that wouldn’t have worked either
There seems to be a loud hiss in your audio that sounds like your compressor raised the noise floor or had to do the work of your preamp. It is best to hit an average of -9 db at the peaks when recording (A relatively hot signal) to avoid the compressor or editor having to do too much of the work in post, and thus raising the noise floor. I love your setup and studio.
@@TSFAHTPS Dual panel windows ($200 fix)? sound panels at the edges of the windows on the inside and out ($40 treatment)? Snow insulation at the edges of the windows ($100 treatment)? Just some ideas but no sound is impossible to remove.
@@flipperMAN2001 well…that’s marketing …IK Multimedia sends the speakers to TH-camrs who put time and effort into making these videos in return…which promotes their product and gives them feedback, as we are always asked what our thoughts on the product is…what we would change, what is missing, what’s is good about it etc! 20 years ago the same thing happened just with magazines where these brands paid premium dollars to get ads and reviews into magazines…it just changed from written content into video content
@@TSFAHTPS It was a good video don't get me wrong, good luck to you, I was very pleased to hear you disclose that it was a sponsored video while others say it's not sponsored "but i get to keep the cab for free" a $699 item is still $699 in kind (Payment via goods). also you have a great speaking voice (my wife asked me to say that) .. Cheers
@@flipperMAN2001 thanks…I’ve been told many times that I have a great voice and face for radio 😜 Just saying though…we don’t get to keep stuff for free! We provide a service to the company in exchange! We provide them with an audience and a platform to market their product on! Plus, it took me a good day and a half to set everything up, film the video, edit the audio, edit the video, add all the text in the description, add the chapter marks, edit the thumbnail, wait for the video to render and upload…all that stuff takes time…not to mention the $$$ that go into buying good cameras, good lenses, SD cards, external hard drives…the list goes on! Plus all the time and all the work I put into this to get to a place where I actually have an audience that will watch the videos!! This is not a rant…I am not complaining…I just get a little frustrated when people think that we get stuff for free…we don’t…it’s a LOT of work and very time consuming…and there are a lot of costs involved to make regular TH-cam videos!!
@@TSFAHTPS My comment was not about getting it for free or lack of hard work, (I know the work involved) But the imbedded addon cost to the consumer as a result which could have made a lower price. The comment was also not about returning the product after testing. Many many have said they are keeping them, which of course is also fine, but someone ends up paying for those 50 cabs - the consumer. :) and yes that's marketing. Cheers
I realize I am being a bit picky, but a (powered) cabinet cannot be both "FRFR" and "voiced for guitar". Those are 2 very different things. Either the highs and lows are "managed", or they are full range and flat. Having said that, I am interested to try one out when they arrive in stores. But what will the app do, and is it a wireless app, or does it have to be connected via the USB port on the back of the cab?
@@steveliberty all I know is that I have done a LOT of gigs with ToneX and also with Helix and I could never get feedback like that out of normal PA Foldback speakers…not sure how and what they do but it works
Has anyone made a product like this that will take a speaker out from a tube amp? I'm not sure whether that would need an artificial load or if the speakers would handle it, but either way it seems doable and something I imagine would be very useful for a wide range of people, and venues. I suppose attenuators have gotten pretty reasonable and anyone with a collection of heads probably has one but it seems like a good differentiator from all the other For Real For Real cabs out there.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding of how well all the extra functionality works, but on the face of it this seems a bit expensive. In the EU, the "special preorder price" is 833 Euros -- a Fender FR-12 is currently 543, and an FR-10 491.
@@TSFAHTPS That must be without VAT. On their webpage, it says 832.99 including VAT (699.99 excl. VAT). IK have an unfortunate habit of listing their prices without VAT, even in the EU where no one else really does this. :/
@@damianwayne2479 all I can say is that I have done hundreds of gigs using amp sim pedals…anything from Helix to ToneX to Sans Amp stuff back in the days and never got feedback like that with with normal PA speakers…it’s in a wooden cabinet with a specially designed Celestion speaker…I’m not sure how these things work but it’s made/voiced to work with guitar…and it does sound way better than a normal PA speakers
Like I said in a few other comments…the noise is crickets - in my area they get very loud and I don’t have a fully noise proofed studio…and I had to get the video done in time for today
@@mikedfurman didn’t say the video was not good … just mentioned the noise was annoying… the video in informative , it’s just funny he couldn’t find a solution for bad audio when the whole channel is about audio … Maybe think of using an external audio recorder on batteries …. Seems simple
@ I think the issue is he was under a very tight deadline and didn’t anticipate this issue so there wasn’t time to reshoot or properly troubleshoot within the time frame. I think my point is generally it’s worth remembering it’s a human who made content we want to watch and to keep any criticism kind and constructive.
@@ilanonbass it has nothing to do with power or batteries…there are crickets outside if the studio that chirp…and they are very loud…and I had to get the video done
that feedback test was fun! 😅
Oh my, this looks cool
I've been using a FRFR setup since they became a thing in the early AxeFx days. It's the way to go if you can understand and accept that you need to work everything else in sync that is 'guitar-oriented'' (including plugins, EQ settings, pedal settings, PA setup, FOH person, etc). It provides a baseplate for a much more versatile sound - although you do need to shift your thinking about what a cab does and how you incorporate it into your chain. It pairs extremely well with flatter response, high-headroom pickups (I use volt-modded EMGs) for maximum tone-shaping capacity.
Almost sounds like a Dokken riff, Slippin Away off of Under lock and key, or the song Holding On For You by Annihilator. Both are great songs
I am going to get the Headrush frfr speaker to accompany my Headrush MX5.. the ToneX CAB seems okay. Hope the in depth review is soon!🙂
the headrush isnt that good at all
@@bikeman1x11 Does it sound bad, or not loud enough maybe?
Would love to know how it sounds as a pseudo PA speaker, i.e. with acoustic guitar and vocals routed into the Aux input whilst running electric guitar as usual. Will it give good tonal range and balance for those extra signals? And how does it tonally compare with the Fender Tone Master FRFR 10 (and/or 12) for the same 3-signal use?
Thanx for a dB reading. With a classic backline with only the vocals using a mic anything less than getting 95dB from a guitar amp and you are royally screwed. Until they make a volume knob for a drummer than a 95dB is the 11th Commandment. Also THANX for the feedback thing. It too is a mandatory function. In a classic guitar, bass and drums and muggins here doing ALL the singing anything less than what I can do with my 50 watt Plexi is a no go. I just swapped over to a Friedman IR-X tube pre. I have yet to find adequate amplification. For the record the Plexi will be retired to the corner of the room but NEVER sold, 😇
"Does it Feedback" => BIG SMILE !!!!! _D
I subscribe to both real amps and cabs in WDW. As a secondary option I have an AXEFX3 and QC that I’ll use as a second option with a stereo power amplifier. Assuming this can do stereo by having a second cab. I wonder if WDW setup can be accomplished with 3 of these?
First of all, thanks for doing that video.
My opinion:
We talk about FRFR, so we talk about a sound which comes with an IR loaded and produced...and the keypoint is, an IR is an already miced up speaker, so there is the character of the used microphone included.
Wouldn't it be better, to just use your room mic, instead of close micing this cabinet?
I think, that would represent the over all sound more realistic.
And at some point you said, that you could mic the cab for live...which would be totally insane, because it would change your actual sound again...why micing an signal which already simulates a mic speaker? ;)
This cab seems great for on stage monitoring or practice with band and get back that "real" feeling, like playing an amp/cab in the good old days. 😊
Sending the IR sound to FOH is the best, savest and easiest way to deliver a guitar sound.
@@joewebrocks I know it’s not really meant for close micing…I just did it in this video because the direct output isn’t working yet because the software where you can load IRs isn’t available yet…I could have distance miced it but I don’t really have enough space in my studio so I close miced it. The mic I use to talk into was peaking when I had the volume up high so that wouldn’t have worked either
@TSFAHTPS LOL, so it was really loud in your room. 😀
Just a note that TONEX CAB's XLR output can be set pre- or post-EQ/IR.
@ikmultimedia seen that, cool feature for sure!
There seems to be a loud hiss in your audio that sounds like your compressor raised the noise floor or had to do the work of your preamp. It is best to hit an average of -9 db at the peaks when recording (A relatively hot signal) to avoid the compressor or editor having to do too much of the work in post, and thus raising the noise floor. I love your setup and studio.
@@GearSounds if you are talking about the hiss when I’m talking…that’s crickets…they are very loud at my place at the moment
@@TSFAHTPS Oh damn! LOL, did you have a window open? It was driving me nuts but I still got through it.
@ no everything was closed…they can be really loud and there is not much I can do
@@TSFAHTPS Dual panel windows ($200 fix)? sound panels at the edges of the windows on the inside and out ($40 treatment)? Snow insulation at the edges of the windows ($100 treatment)? Just some ideas but no sound is impossible to remove.
@@TSFAHTPS Crickets!!!!😂 you're somewhere that there's no winter....Great video!
I guess an Amp with Bluetooth is coming next. So many of these given away to youtubers such as yourself, that $100 of the cost must pay for those.
@@flipperMAN2001 well…that’s marketing …IK Multimedia sends the speakers to TH-camrs who put time and effort into making these videos in return…which promotes their product and gives them feedback, as we are always asked what our thoughts on the product is…what we would change, what is missing, what’s is good about it etc! 20 years ago the same thing happened just with magazines where these brands paid premium dollars to get ads and reviews into magazines…it just changed from written content into video content
@@TSFAHTPS It was a good video don't get me wrong, good luck to you, I was very pleased to hear you disclose that it was a sponsored video while others say it's not sponsored "but i get to keep the cab for free" a $699 item is still $699 in kind (Payment via goods). also you have a great speaking voice (my wife asked me to say that) .. Cheers
@@flipperMAN2001 thanks…I’ve been told many times that I have a great voice and face for radio 😜
Just saying though…we don’t get to keep stuff for free! We provide a service to the company in exchange! We provide them with an audience and a platform to market their product on! Plus, it took me a good day and a half to set everything up, film the video, edit the audio, edit the video, add all the text in the description, add the chapter marks, edit the thumbnail, wait for the video to render and upload…all that stuff takes time…not to mention the $$$ that go into buying good cameras, good lenses, SD cards, external hard drives…the list goes on! Plus all the time and all the work I put into this to get to a place where I actually have an audience that will watch the videos!! This is not a rant…I am not complaining…I just get a little frustrated when people think that we get stuff for free…we don’t…it’s a LOT of work and very time consuming…and there are a lot of costs involved to make regular TH-cam videos!!
@@flipperMAN2001 Yes there is something else coming.
@@TSFAHTPS My comment was not about getting it for free or lack of hard work, (I know the work involved) But the imbedded addon cost to the consumer as a result which could have made a lower price. The comment was also not about returning the product after testing. Many many have said they are keeping them, which of course is also fine, but someone ends up paying for those 50 cabs - the consumer. :) and yes that's marketing. Cheers
I realize I am being a bit picky, but a (powered) cabinet cannot be both "FRFR" and "voiced for guitar". Those are 2 very different things. Either the highs and lows are "managed", or they are full range and flat. Having said that, I am interested to try one out when they arrive in stores. But what will the app do, and is it a wireless app, or does it have to be connected via the USB port on the back of the cab?
@@steveliberty all I know is that I have done a LOT of gigs with ToneX and also with Helix and I could never get feedback like that out of normal PA Foldback speakers…not sure how and what they do but it works
how is this compared with the Fender FR12 ?
@@andyzpam5441 never tried the Fender one
Espero que en la habitación suene mejor, porque en el video escuchado con auriculares no suena muy bien...
Has anyone made a product like this that will take a speaker out from a tube amp? I'm not sure whether that would need an artificial load or if the speakers would handle it, but either way it seems doable and something I imagine would be very useful for a wide range of people, and venues. I suppose attenuators have gotten pretty reasonable and anyone with a collection of heads probably has one but it seems like a good differentiator from all the other For Real For Real cabs out there.
I guess the proof will be in the pudding of how well all the extra functionality works, but on the face of it this seems a bit expensive. In the EU, the "special preorder price" is 833 Euros -- a Fender FR-12 is currently 543, and an FR-10 491.
Their press release said it’ll be €699 for the pre release and €799 retail
@@TSFAHTPS That must be without VAT. On their webpage, it says 832.99 including VAT (699.99 excl. VAT). IK have an unfortunate habit of listing their prices without VAT, even in the EU where no one else really does this. :/
@@TSFAHTPS yeah...the "VAT excluded" old trick! (846,99 VAT included)
you should consider line6 powercab+, how it price? fender is a amp company, not a audio company.
@@yuudee3132 powercab+ far better than the fender fr12- fender boomy and bassy
No Bluetooth? That’s a shame
@@Dodgyguitarist I think it’s meant to be more of a live performance thing
@ yeah definitely. Still, awesome bit of kit. Any idea of price?
@ 4:35
If it's an FRFR speaker, it wouldn't be "voiced for guitar" wouldn't it?
FLAT-FULL means not hyped for any particular instrument.
@@damianwayne2479 all I can say is that I have done hundreds of gigs using amp sim pedals…anything from Helix to ToneX to Sans Amp stuff back in the days and never got feedback like that with with normal PA speakers…it’s in a wooden cabinet with a specially designed Celestion speaker…I’m not sure how these things work but it’s made/voiced to work with guitar…and it does sound way better than a normal PA speakers
Any FRFR that doesn't have class AB amplifier is not that good! Keep looking for the better tone and sound quality FRFR!!
Couldn’t listen , the hiss noise at the back is horrible and distracting … especially with the headphones
Like I said in a few other comments…the noise is crickets - in my area they get very loud and I don’t have a fully noise proofed studio…and I had to get the video done in time for today
@@TSFAHTPSGreat, video mate! Don’t let the haters tear it down :)
@@mikedfurman didn’t say the video was not good … just mentioned the noise was annoying… the video in informative , it’s just funny he couldn’t find a solution for bad audio when the whole channel is about audio …
Maybe think of using an external audio recorder on batteries …. Seems simple
@ I think the issue is he was under a very tight deadline and didn’t anticipate this issue so there wasn’t time to reshoot or properly troubleshoot within the time frame. I think my point is generally it’s worth remembering it’s a human who made content we want to watch and to keep any criticism kind and constructive.
@@ilanonbass it has nothing to do with power or batteries…there are crickets outside if the studio that chirp…and they are very loud…and I had to get the video done
Ok seems it’s not a good product
@@adilsonobelard9690 what’s wrong with it?
@@TSFAHTPS Price
Harley benton sells v30 2x12 cabinets and you can grab affordable stereo amps for not much more for far more awesome setup
They are copying Kemper Kabinet...with the "Amp in the room" modelling.
But just doing it better
@@colinparks619 powercab bettewr
How about you stumble through some more words instead of PLAYING THE DAMN THING
@@wallofsheep5645 there are timestamps/chapter marks for everything…which are a pain and take forever to do…maybe just use them