I've seen the "quiet kids" being bullied at my school all the time I've seen them trying to get help from the principal and teachers and they never helped or even made an attempt to stop the bullying
I used to fight the bullies to keep the heat off the quiet kid. They couldnt stand up for themselves because they were puny compared to the bully. I was a bigger guy and I could take the heat and the pain better than they could. The quiet kid is the kid that'll do something like this. Stand up for them and you may prevent something bad from happening just by showing support to them
Its pretty rare that a mass shooter was bullied though. Its been noted that the columbine shooters were actually the bullies not the bullied. Bullied kids kill themselves,angry kids kill others.
Take a depressed kid, put them in a depressing environment, surround them by people who make it their goal to make sure that kid stays depressed, then act surprised when all that bottled up depression gets converted into anger.
depression all affects people differently... some take it, and some small percentage snap and kill people. We need to help these people. Our society honestly fucking sucks for young people. School is so fucking terrible. Kids should look FORWARD to going to school and learning. They should be able to be with like minded peers. Public schools have to go. I don't know what should replace it. All I know is public schools are toxic for a lot of young minds.
@@sceptor7931 all it takes is a little nudge on a bad day. If 5 days a week for who knows how long, you had to deal with people bullying you for no reason other than to look cool in front of others it gets easy to think about snapping. Reporting it seems like the proper response but then you have to put up with the backlash of now being a wuss who can't "take a joke". Then when you realise you cant release that anger by fighting back cause you will just get suspended or expelled with your future being ruined, it seems like the easiest option for taking out your anger is death. It's sad that's the easy option people resort to but there's not much that can be done unless future generations get their shit together and realise that bullying isn't the nicest or smartest thing to do. The gun is the weapon used to kill which is why gun owners with children should have a safe and the password well hidden, but it wouldn't be an issue if trash parents actually taught their kids human decency.
@@jagerpride8618 Your're absolutely right. However, I think its a generational problem, not just the bullying itself. Ever since school existed, bullying has been apparent and frowned upon. However, we never really heard about school shootings in history up until about ten years ago. In the times we live in, kids have such easy access to social media and the internet , where they can find and mimic cases of aggression that they feel is suitable to their situation. Sadly, no matter how hard society tries, bullying is never going to go away. I think its better that kids understand this so they know it won't last forever.
@@Luke-pd7xj I can't help but feel like some of the drugs that are pushed on to these kids has something to do with it. Depression, bullying and guns have always been around but these school shootings seem to be happening in an age where anytime a kid has a behavioral problem people want to instantly try and solve it with drugs. That combined with the fact parents are afraid to discipline their children and many children are raised on electronics/video games. I don't have any problem with video games and electronics on occasion but whatever happened to playing outside or going hunting or fishing with your father or grandfather?
@@Luke-pd7xj I agree with most of that. I wasn't really referring to weed as much as I was antidepressants and drugs like adderall. It seems in early 2000 they started prescribing stuff like adderall and other drugs to kids that were a bit hyper or had concentration problems. I remember it was pushed on my younger brother around that time and he really had no reason to be on prescription medications. He was just more of a hands on type and he excelled when put in that type of environment. I also agree video games themselves are not the problem, I've played lots of video games and even play them now with my son on occasion. I should have stated it's more of a lack of parenting, using video games and electronics in general as a babysitter for your kids. Being active outdoors, just getting some sun can do wonders for depression. Maybe some do need prescription drugs but I don't believe a large percentage of the kids that they push these drugs on need to be on them. Maybe it has nothing to with any of it and I'm completely wrong, but something has changed in the last 20 or so years to bring this type of violence into schools. Guns and the access has always been there, I was taught how to shoot and respect for firearms at a very young age along with many of my friends, I don't ever remember thinking about school shootings when I was in school.
There are lots of people who put their emotions into rage and are hurt so many times that they feel no empathy or sympathy. That leads to these people feeling like the only way to express the rage, or more the expression of rage, crescendos into these school shooting events
@@Luke-pd7xj and SavageApeV4 as a 16 yr old right who is 1) smoking weed at this moment and 2) prescribed an antidepressant called Zoloft I can tell you that, for myself, the weed is far better than any anxiety medication or depression medication I've taken. I do believe I legitimately have depression, as there's a very, very long line of it in (lucky me) both my parents families. Myself (and my 18 yr old sister) both smoke a lottttt of weed and then use it to focus on homework lol. The weed, if given to the right kid, is honestly a great tool. The antidepressants make my mood go up and now, and I also get feverish symptoms whenever I take them again after stopping. I have been telling my parents I take them but in reality I have like 150 pills stocked in my room. I feel COMPLETELY FINE. My grades are As. I don't really know why I went on this rant cause remember I'm high but like they really push it way harder than they need to. These drugs are not good and some of these prescriptions have ripped my other sister's and mom's bodys' apart. If it's the right person, weed is amazing. An already lazy person should not smoke weed. EDIT: What SavageApeV4 said about the outdoors is also VERY accurate. I began working out more and going on hikes and overlanding trips with my friends in abt 8th grade (10th now) and holy shit.... I really think EVERYBODY eventually succumbs to the effects that the great outdoors has. I'm in a beautiful southern state as well.
My thoughts exactly. Andy is so damn level headed, articulate and extremely down to earth. He really should consider a higher leadership role in our country
The media literally says "hey potential shooters, here's the kids face, he was angry, here's his message, here's the gun he used, it could kill X amount of people in X amount of time, look how famous you could be"
That’s better than no information. Then you would get these huge conspiracies all over the Internet making it seem super cool and mysterious. This is also very attractive to a potential mass killer.
@@JohnSmith-sm7ez Thing is they can provide the information of what happened (The School shooting and the number of victims / status on shooter etc) Without informing about the name of the shooter and how he did it etc. Since that info is not needed for the wider public. The people who live where it happend will find out that info regardless (Since there will be witnesses who saw who it was etc or if the shooter lived there will be a trial etc) but there is just no need to spread that info on mass media across an entire nation continously for days or weeks as that does not help anybody, It wont help the victims or the families and it wont cause any change to happen. Only things it will do is create views / money for the mass media and increase the chance of further school shootings.
@@Mattebubben yea.. and the fact that they repeat it as often as possible just for clicks.. every single update.. constantly digging for more info on the shooter to bring in more viewers
But you know they do that to enforce the narrative that guns are bad and need to be taken from citizens. It's all a power play to subliminally condition younger generations into thinking the tool is the problem and not the people pulling the trigger. And it's slowly working, unfortunately. The media thinks they're doing the public a huge favor by reporting information, when much of it is so negative and toxic, not to mention biased up the ass, and at many times (especially recently), inaccurate. When do you see top stories that talk about good things? Maybe heroic firefighters or police that saved lives, or good Samaritans helping out their fellow man; positive economic figures, innovations, or love during the holidays. You don't see that stuff. It's buried in the lesser articles that people don't read. No, when you turn it on, you see death, toxic politics, corruption, scandals, sex, drugs, and war.
prescribe me 10000ug of lsd weekly injected and I’ll never have any aggression ever again and won’t need any other drug for sure. This is not a joke pls make this a reality I want acid prescribed to me I would be happy forever I dont care about long term or short term issues fuck I just want the acid. This is not sarcasm! Please
very true, one just happened at my sister's college yesterday. i was wondering what joe said abt it bc i know he's a sensible guy. sadly its as i feared and its so much more complicated that people make it out to be. even more in the UK where i am now bc people here think its so obvious and simple to fix. and when things like this continue to happen they just hate america, in fact ive had someone actually ask me if I hate being an American, or if I hate America. im trying to change my tune and actually listen instead of saying more gun control will completely fix it, im gonna try to listen more to the other side.
Sleepy ninja rin i mean not that i believe there is a link but there were less school shootings when hitting kids was still legal x’D maybe it’s something to consider lmao
Enjoy Hash it’s more because access to firearms was less restricted back then. If you wanted to shoot up a school someone was going to stop you before you got very far. Instead we got inter generational trauma from generations of abusive parents and bullies raising bullies and now that there’s nothing to stop the bullying victims from shooting up the school, they just do it
yes the teachers always know they hear everything. in fact they normally know the student gossip as well but tend to do nothing ive seen it and been on the receiving end of it. when i was being bullied the teacher actually singled me out for defending myself and i was sent to the principles office for talking during class the dudes picking on me got no trouble nothing. i still hate this teacher to this day
Something similar happened to me. Little annoying kid bugged me to the point where I'd slam stuff out of anger. Then being yelled by my teachers as they sat there doing nothing about it. " mike picks on me every day and u did nothing." .....oh no he didnt ....yes he did. At the end of the year in PE class he started running his mouth again and I snapped. I walked up to him and popped on right in the head. .....he stopped. Teachers found out the year after and said I shouldve got a detention because they all loved him cause they thought he was funny. " So it didn't bother you that he constantly bugged me?." ......no answer. This was the same school district that put me on ritalin cause of my behavior. I grew up in a broken home what do u expect. Go public education
My theory is that the shootings started in the late 90's when we allowed bullies to get away with their actions and disallowed the victim from fighting back
@@anthonyfletcher8053 the issue lies in the definition. If you look at the instances of gun violence happening in schools there was somewhere around 50 in all of 2019. Naturally a lot of these were not your classic trench coat and AR-15 but rather the gang-gun-violence epidemic spilling over into schools, with only 1/2 being injured (not enough to classify as a “mass” shooting). www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/15/us/2019-us-school-shootings-trnd/index.html However I would argue that any gun violence, happening at a school, aimed at children/ teachers is abhorrent and something should probably be done to stop it given the US is the only country on the planet that seems to struggle with gun violence in schools in quite this way.
Medication alone doesn’t solve mental illness. It’s easy to give a kid meds and say ‘We’ve done our job. We gave them meds.’ Meds don’t solve a vacuum of attention, or love, or company.
It's true I mean if you look at the shooters in the past years it's all kids or people who are on antidepressants or some form of a depressant and I think it numbs them to the thought of killing like it's nothing. What us humans need is to admit we all need attention and love and to find help for us and others to get the care we need
ep1phany62 Quit calling them meds, they are potent drugs rearranging the chemicals in a child’s growing brain. These drugs are the number one factor to school shootings. Giving 10 million kids drugs for anxiety is not the answer
You must be new to JRE then. Joe typically agrees with most things his guest says. If he disagrees, he phrases it as a question and the person usually answers. There's very rarely any actual disagreements or shouting matches)
Yeah that’s pretty much how he is with every guest. Rarely he’ll straight argue with someone unless they are being fucking crazy but if he has someone on who is pro gun control he’ll be pro that when they are on and anti when a guy like this is on
As a teacher, my goal is to everyday be there for any kid who may not have any support elsewhere. The adults in my life have built my resilience, I just hope to pass on all that was given to me. Thank you guys for all you do.
As a teacher my job is to teach. I have no interest in being there, nor do parents care… the culture and our society don’t care either. Good luck, survive…
As someone who spent years getting bullied in school I did kinda get the feeling in my head that if only I could get rid of these people I wouldn't have to suffer anymore. Obviously I never did anything about it and I'm okay now but bullying messes you up, I wasn't that heavily bullied however it still really affected me. The bullying itself might not have seemed that bad but just the fact that it happened every single day and I couldn't get away from it was a nightmare. I would plan my trip to school precisely because I knew when the bullies would arrive at school and I was very often late because I went in last minute. I would sit still in a corner thinking about where to move my eyes or where to put my hands because it felt like literally every single move I did would get judged, I wouldn't read a book or anything during a break I would just sit still trying to avoid getting laughed at. Every single day someone in my class would say something about me thinking that I didn't hear them, but I did. I would skip meals every day and instead sit on the floor next to whatever classroom I'd go to next. I would skip school as much as possible to avoid the bullies. I had good friends and had a good social life outside of school but as soon as I got to school I couldn't do anything or wouldn't say a single word. It's like I had 2 personalities
It's time to grab a baseball bat or some sort of none lethal weapon that produces a large amount of shock, follow whoever bullied you on his way home and beat the shit out of him. IT'S THE ONLY WAY to stop teenagers from bullying others, let them taste their own medicine once and they will never forget about it. people are fragile, just make sure they don't get hurt too bad to be shown as evidence or die in the process. If you don't think you have enough stamina to swing that baseball bat toward them, try making the bat look intimidating, the factor of fear is always a lot more effective when it comes to dealing with people, these morons only learn to respect others when they finally hit the wall in the society or gets taught a lesson when they are still young. beating them up and teach them how to respect others might actually be helping them. Also, never let other people's opinion control you. be yourself. Those people that are very emotional or constantly judging others are sheep of the society because they put unnecessary standards and boundaries between themselves and others, one day the reality will teach them how delusional they are (some of them will never admit their own mistake, and continue on suffering the consequences). Right now their stupidity is an open exploit you can take advantage of. During school just focus on building your own life, learn new things or study martial arts after class if you are into it. make some real friend you can talk to and rely on.
It's a struggle for teachers too. I had a few years like what you described too, and now I'm a teacher. I can see some kids going through what I went through. I've told other kids to stop, but they just don't get it. I know that the only thing I can do is to spend time with that kid and be his friend when no one else will... But oftentimes I can't, because the school keeps me too busy with utterly meaningless work. So I'm rushing to upload plans and complete their tasks, while in the next room over the smartest kid in my class is going through hell with no allies. FML it's frustrating.
I agree. But I also see a pattern of - when you have a personal issue, always look externally for a solution or someone to solve your problem. To extent it’s needed of course BUT what gets less importance and attention nowadays is dealing internally, coping mechanisms, how to help yourself instead of blaming everything else and not take self responsibility. Outside help is not always going to be there at a whim no matter how much we provide and facilitate it. 2 people can have the same issue but deal with it in complete contrast. The one who deals with it badly usually doesnt have self coping mechanism or developed traits to work through issues - you need to have them to even recognise and understand to look for help externally. We need to NORMALIZE (again) that it’s ok to have issues - your not strange or odd for having them, we all go through problems, we are not victims, it’s LIFE. You will never be happy thinking you’ll never have issues. Accepting you will and putting in place basic trains of thought and put basic mechanisms into practice takes the stress of being lost and not knowing what to do away - there’s always the feeling of a way forward then.
skewl:ayeeeeee we'd actually care less if y'all just ran up in here and just went on a massacre massacre happens skewl/skewl boards everywhere: *OMFG HOW COULD WE LET THIS HAPPEN, AS A COUNTRY? WEE NEED TO BAN THIS THING AND THAT THING AND BAN THINKING BAD THOUGHTS. ITS EVERYONES FAULT AND EVERYONE, EXCEPT FOR US, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CREATED AND ENFORCE AN INCREDIBLY OPPRESSIVE SYSTEM FOR PEOPLE IN THEIR VERY FRAGILE FORMATIVE YEARS TO BE FORCED TO GO INTO EVERY DAY FOR YEARS! HOW DARE CONSERVATIVES AND (insert president thats currently in office here as to future proof mein comment und it still be relevant) CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN!!!* kid: vapes in his bape shorts and bullies kids who don't wear over priced garbage that stole their whole font and style from a genuinely creative artist skewl: alright, we're going to take all the necessary steps to prevent this from happening anymore, and, we're even gonna go over board a little bit, just to ensure this "health risk" no longer exists. even though they're doing outside of skewl 99% more than at skewl but, fuck it, murica (FUCK YEAH!!!11!!1!1!) AINT A FREE COUNTRY, BITCH!
I was friends with a family of a school shooter in Virginia, and they were absolutely destroyed by the actions of their family member. People like to blame the family, but truth be told, they were no different than my own, or any other middle class family. -And that's the scariest part of this.
@@StoutProper Yeah they never noticed. I doubt they come home and say Im going to shoot a bunch of people. If it so obvious what happened in Colombine? 2 kids shot the school up and no one seen it coming not even the school counselors. You cant tell whats going on in peoples mind. Like suicide people who say they want to kill their self are most likely asking for help. The ones who actually do it dont say shit. Same thing if you wanna go kill a bunch of people you act normal
I wouldn't blame the family. I would specifically blame the father. As a male, we need role models. We need people to tell us to stop being pussies. We need people to tell us to fight, win lose or draw. Most kids are so afraid to get in trouble... its laughable. My father taught me early on that NOBODY cares about my feelings and that I was never in trouble unless HE told me I was. I was taught to be a savage, body mind and soul, while at the same time I was taught to have a moral compass and never to compromise it. Kids today are told never to fight. Always compromise (even if it compromised their beliefs)...So what do you think happens when compromise doesnt work? They cant fight.. they have no moral compass... So it's no problem for them to shoot up the people who hurt them or do nothing to stop it. Kids need to be taught to stand up for themselves , even if it means they fight every so often.. its as simple as that.
As much as the Left claims to hate Reagan. They never go after him for destroying our mental health institutions which left a gap that was filled by private insurance companies and pharmaceutical drugs. Not anti capitalistic nor thing all medication is the devil, however it's something that cannot be ignored. That and the fact that it's known that boys in this country are over prescribed Adderall and Ritalin.
Insurance is extorting us legally. It say you pay for this or else this is your punishment. So even if you bend and pay you may not get coverage you need because what you need and can afford may not meet up. Then when you do get what you need you get reps calling when you use it to much. Any way. Have a good day , take care.
About 10+ years ago, in the state of Connecticut where I lived, they shut done most of the mental institutes and pushed the most severe cases to a few local Hospitals. I have a buddy that worked in the ward at one of the hospitals and was saying that most just get released without the treatment they need because the local hospitals just aren't staffed or is equipped to handle them on a long term bases. He was also telling me that it just wasn't CT, but others because the states are cutting budgets for things like that. It's a sad thing that goes on.
As someone who worked in a state mental institution, I agree. We had so many people who we called "frequent fliers". People would be in there for a few weeks or a few months and get released only to return sometimes in just a few hours, or one day later. It's a huge joke. The psych doctors get paid big time money to put these people on medication that turns them into zombies and they wonder why the patients ask to be taken off them. Then they change the people's medicine up all of a sudden and the people go 100% psycho and we'd have to hold them down to give them shots. Damn shame how this all goes.
This is hands down one of the most intelligent conversations I have listened on this topic. Stumpf made a great point about how a big part of the problem is that we are too polarized as a country to even have a conversation, too many people are talking but no one is listening. Great point.
but see, that makes sense & is not sufficiently dramatic enough to warrant attention from the right people. people would rather escalate things to a frenzy & have peoples perspectives clouded with emotion rather than cleared with logic. we probably wont see a real, viable solution in our lifetimes.
Sure, Nicolas, I can do THAT, and I can't even AFFORD an AR. You see, the AR/M-16 gun platform was DESIGNED to be a Modular gun, so five or ten different Factories could build the parts, and you could take parts from any of the different factories, put them together into a Working Weapon, for Military Expediency and Economy. WONDERFUL Idea! Now, Pay Attention, because this is YOUR Answer: This weapon was Designed and Intended for Infantrymen, who MUST Have a Tough, Reliable, Decently Accurate rifle that is LIGHT Above All Else, because they have to CARRY it everywhere they go. So it has an Aluminum Receiver(VERY Light!) with the Critical Parts being Steel Alloy,(Light ENOUGH). Well, these Very Qualities ALSO make it PERFECT as a HUNTING Rifle. Light, Handy, parts are easily and quickly Swapped to make it even MORE Perfect for YOUR Particular Need or Use. Because it's Lighter and handier, even SMALLER People can Use it Safely and Effectively( WOMEN, KIDS?) so the Whole Family can Go to the Range and Have a Blast. Because of its' Acceptance by the Sporting Community, the Makers have Also Taken It Up, and Made MANY Improvements. The Army just wanted it Good ENOUGH. But hunters and target shooters wanted it BETTER, and BEST. After all these years, ALL the Bugs are Gone from it, powder and bullets have been Improved, until Now the AR/M-16 is the ULTIMATE, Go- Anywhere/Do-Anything Rifle In The WORLD. From merely Adequate Accuracy, it's NOW One of the MOST Accurate autoloaders EVER BUILT. Police and Military SNIPERS use them ! That ALONE is UNBELIEVABLE to a Vietnam Veteran. I ask you, Nicolas, WHAT Sportsman would NOT want a rifle like that?! And because it is a Modular design, if there is ANY feature at ALL on the rifle that you don't like that well, Swap It Out for one you LOVE, there are AT LEAST Three Different versions of EVERY Part ON it! Light, Handy, and LOW Recoil, SUPER Little rifle for your Lady. Maybe you want a little more Powerful caliber. NO PROBLEM. Get a different Upper receiver and swap it out. Takes About One Minute. Switch to the corresponding magazine, and Rock ON. You Literally CAN'T Beat it with a HAMMER! And THIS ALONE is WHY it has become So Popular, it has EARNED and PROVEN its' Performance for nearly half a century, now. Besides all THAT, ALL of the BEST Hunting and Target rifle WERE Originally MILITARY Designs, or INTENDED for Military Use. The M-98 Mauser, the 1903 Springfield, M1 Garand, Enfield S.M.L.E., P1917, even our Beloved Winchesters and Henrys. The Famous Sharps Buffalo Guns Started OUT as MILITARY Breechloaders. ALL are STILL IN PRODUCTION TODAY. But you can build TWO or more AR's for what ONE of these cost. And not have to load your own Ammo. Now, as to the 'Tough Guy On Range' Thing. That is just Insecure Macho/Girly-man behavior, and those guys do that with EVERYTHING, because they don't realize that THINGS do NOT Make you Better or Inferior, or even a MAN. Cars, Boats, Houses, Planes, CLOTHES, Hell, you even have WINE and CIGAR Snobs. Music, Literature, EVERYTHING, there is ALWAYS a Passel of those guys(AND GIRLS!) Out There Showing Off, trying to build themselves Up with POSSESSIONS. And trying to make others feel Bad about themselves, or their OWN Gear, or Whatever. I USED to think EXACTLY the same thing YOU think about AR's, a couple decades ago, for the same Reasons. Since then, they have Progressed, and now my old Lever Action seems a little, well, OBSOLETE. And, since the AR was DESIGNED with a thirty-round magazine, I wouldn't have to carry ANY Spare ammo when hunting, making MY Pack Lighter, too. I'm getting too OLD to Pack these Good Old TEN-Pound rifles Over Hill and Over Dale, lol...But I hope this Helps you to Understand the AR Better, Nicolas. It went from a dangerous POS As Issued to one of the Very BEST Rifles On Planet Earth, and CHEAPER, too. @nicolas guzman
But people are listening. I've yet to hear a right winger say we shouldn't be more responsible with guns. Only the left is claiming the solution is simple.
I'll never claim to have an answer to anything in life. I think the strong polarization of the American public leads to two major problems. The first is both sides sabotaging progress. The second and perhaps worst is that media outlets feed on the frenzy while a nice realistic middle ground solution is lost. I'm almost always a middle of the road kind of guy and I'm usually standing alone.
@@spade2you it's simple. You have too much ease of access to guns. Britain and Australia solved the problem after our first mass shootings. But America has some retarded commandment from the Bible about their second amendment.
@@barnabyjones6392 Yes? That's how we deal with problems... Not sure what point you're trying to make with that - there's increased knife violence, so we create tougher penalties.
@@grubbybum3614 The thing is where does that stop? because it won't be knives but it could forks, or baseball bats and if you keep banning things you're eventually going to make it to where nobody can have anything. Banning guns is not the solution and it's not a bible thing it's literally to prevent the government from taking us over and controlling it's citizens the past has shown us this and we don't want to repeat the same mistakes. it's the reason why the 2nd amendment was put in the 1st place we have other solutions for our country but higher ups are not listening and they're not trying to do something where both parties don't have to be in conflict with 1 another. Putting in security at schools would create thousands of jobs across the country making it better overall. Working on getting people actual more help is also, another great step in doing this. But nobody is listening to these idea's and trying to solve it...they're just doing the most extreme thing which would both parties extremely angry for no reason at all.
@@PureGaming1845 this man is either a troll or a brit. 1776 happened for a reason, and couldn't have with out guns. Just look how fucked the UK is right now.
Last year, I was 14. I had just got to school and I was hanging out with my friends at our normal spot. Gunshots started going off so we started running, I remember looking back to make sure my friends were ok and I watched bodies drop. I’m not a scientist, but I remember the distinct feeling of my senses being heightened and a surge of energy I had never felt before. I assume this was purely my instinct to live kicking in. As I get out of the school and make it to the parking lot I noticed teachers being hysterical, some running in circles, dropping their computers and papers and freaking out not knowing what to do. At that moment I realized the people who are teaching us and supposed to be strong and protect us are still human. This experience made me an adult, I haven’t developed ptsd or anything like that from it, but I know people who have and that shit is devastating to see . What I mean by it made me an adult is it made me mature. We weren’t just kids anymore after that. I wish it would have never happened, but I also wouldn’t be the same person without this experience and for that I am grateful. It made me appreciate my day to day life more. I’m 15 now, looking back on it I never realized the impact it had on me, for the better. Remember that good things come from bad things too, it made me a stronger human at the end of the day. Whatever you are going through in your life is only making you better, even if it sucks. (Saugus high school)
You’re wise beyond your years. Life is a full spectrum of emotions.. both positive and negative, but it upon you to make the most of these experiences and control how you’ll move forward a better person or best possible version of yourself. Always remember you’re no good to anyone else unless you’re absolutely okay and prepared mentally first. Best of luck to you young person.
Very mature and insightful words for a 15 year old. I am more than twice your age and am very glad I read your comment. Always remain open about your experiences for they can help others in ways you may never know
Bro what I hate about school shootings is that it motivates kids to even fuck around saying there gonna shoot up the school , two weeks later after the Saugus high school shooting a kid in highschool said he was gonna take a gun and shoot up the school the kids found out after he posted it on social media and no kids showed up to school the next two days until they arrested the kid who said he was gonna shoot up the school
When the SHTF, there's trained and there's untrained. The teachers aren't trained for this. You have to give up a small part of your soul to be trained for this, but in the end every building you walk in to, you know the exits, you know where cover is, you know that mobility is life. You don't have to be jaded, but you have to be particularly aware of your surroundings. Bless you for surviving. I hope your life is filled with love, joy, and happiness.
I was bullied for years and years in grade school until I moved to a new school in high school. Turns out I suffer from PTSD from it, my parents didn't care about it when I grew up. In fact my mom figured I was responsible for it. I fully can understand why people kill and think it is a resolution. They have nothing, they don't think it will get better. There were times I considered shooting particular classmates. When I was 10, I contemplated suicide to escape it, my mom thought I was just being silly when she found out how depressed I was. What kind of 10 year old thinks that way and no one cares? I'm 36 now and my mind is completely different
I am so, so sorry you had to go through that. It is so sad most of the adults don't really listen when a kid has something to say. May I asked, what helped you overcome all of this? What made you stronger?
I was 7 when I wanted to kill myself, I had dark thoughts but all it takes is help it’s hard to see and is never easy to get by but u can always ban gun but it’ll never help the real people who suffer due to there inability to see the bigger picture. We all know this to be true I hope you agree
My family was the CAUSE of my problems. It took me years to stop hating myself, and I will not forgive or forget what they did. I don't hate them anymore (maybe one I still do), but I accepted myself, which is way more than those selfish, greedy control freaks would.
1. Kid gets bullied to NO end, at school and/or his home, becomes ABSOLUTELY desperate 2. Grabs a gun and kills his abusers (and a bunch of innocent people) 3. Police show up, murders him, or he turns a gun on himself first 4. Adults pretend to be idiots, say ''I don't understand what this is about''. Rinse and repeat.
I don’t think “murder” is the correct term to describe the police taking out a school shooter. Especially when officers have been shot, killed, or wounded by them. Bottom line, there is no justification for shooting up a school. I don’t care how much you’re hurting, you don’t have a right to take someone’s life unless they are trying to take yours.
@@nj7969 The problem is you're essentially approving (or at least not actively opposing) bullying with that statement. ''Bullies should be allowed to bully and harm, and there should never be a consequence''. Well, guess what, there are consequences. And that attitude ensures the problem continues, ad infinitum.
AvyScottandFlower I’m assuming that your quotations were a summation of my argument. Which I don’t even think is a straw man. That’s just completely putting words in my mouth. You sir are the one on the side of the shooter stating that it is “murder” to stop him from killing his class mates and by that logic implying That the police protecting the law abiding students is a bad thing. If you’re being bullied then speak up about it and get counseling if it’s that bad. In no way have I defended bullying. All I stated was that the minute you open fire on defenseless students killing the shooter is absolutely justified and in no way murder.
@@nj7969 I'm siding with the kid being bullied, but I don't approve of him killing people, especially innocent people. The way I see it, the point is ridiculously simple (in theory, at least): STOP the bullying, stop the dysfunctional homes, and the shooters disappear. Nearly ALL school shooters are single-mother sons (and males who are in prison too). But is society gonna address that? The root cause of the shootings? *OF COURSE NOT.* Let's just all pretend to be stupid and ignore it instead, because that works so well.
I’ve always been the guy who fights the good fight. I put that energy into the service for twenty two years. Where I come from you learn very early on bullies must be put in their place. No matter the trouble I could get in,did not matter to me. I always fought the bullies. I could not standby and not help someone who was being bullied.
To help prevent the motivation: 1. Get fathers back in the home. 2. Encourage in person social interaction. Sports, church, DnD group. Anything. 3. Rethink how we treat mental illness. Medication on a society wide level doesn't seem to be working. 4. Make secondary education about acquiring skills and knowledge, and not about socializing. 5. School choice. Whether through vouchers or easing of bureaucracy, giving families choice of where to send their children is never a bad thing. 6. Make early graduation more available. If they are smart enough to get a GED, they should be allowed to graduate early. 7. Don't punish kids reacting in self defense. Always punish the aggressor, and punish the responding student less or not at all. The goals in addressing this issue should be to promote a stable home life, prevent social isolation, and give people a sense of agency and control over their lives.
@@torisefford989 Most don't have both parents. We know single motherhood is associated with an increase in mental illness and criminality. This is uncontroversial.
@@thattubechannel ,actually it is a mixture of kids from single parent homes,homes with both parents,and some a of mass shooters have had no hint of mental illness,or previous criminal background,...and there are millions of kids or people in general who have flaws mentally or were brought up by single parents who turn out ro be awesome people,so its extremely hard to tell these days. Like they its the ones that you think are untrustworthy ,are actually the one you can trust the most(&vice versa).. Its a tragedy ,life is..but there is good beneath all the evil.
Michael Moore : "If you were to talk directly to the kids at Columbine or the people in that community, what would you say to them if they were here right now? " Marilyn Manson : "I wouldn't say a single word to them. I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did."
do it or we'll invade/drone/choke your economy, are not good solutions to other countries problems. these solutions cause those countries citizens hate USA, and worse case, creates terrorists who want to hurt USA. like Joe said while talking to this dude.... you hit someone, they will get you back somehow. it is not a solution. its why isreal and palistine will be killing eachother forever. palistine 'you hit me, i hit you back' - isreal 'you hit me, I get you back' rinse repeat.
When I was young and had a bad day at school it was generally over after the closing bell. Now all those problems follow them on their phone. People can't get away anymore. Hell is just one phone alert away nowadays!
Mike Fletcher Exactly, social media is a major culprit. It’s not a coincidence that anxiety and depression in young people has risen drastically with the rise of social media. Anxiety and depression can lead to isolation, isolation can lead to a bitter world-view that can be deepened with social media and the internet. Add that to an ease of access to guns and you’ve got a shitty cycle.
@@SC-ew2fc Sad thing is smart phones are more addictive than crack. How are we gonna get the whole world off crack? I do like the guys view of it fixing itself over generations. I think I'm glad I grew up when I did. Hopefully for the kids the future proves that a silly thought.
Agreed. Also, remember when you’re in high school....it’s like social acceptance is EVERYTHING to the majority of students. Teenagers are very unbalanced chemically. There’s so many facets to answering the question. A stable home environment is absolutely critical as well.
@@leecro83 I think another element (one of many) is that if you ask kids what they want to be when they grow up the most common answer today is "famous"
I think hes saying the answer over and over. If i wanted to in canada i could get 800bucks and buy a gun. What makes us different some access but mostly becsuse we socially give a shit about eachother at the end of the day
@@armageddonbound great point! There are just so many angles to the question. Ultimately we're saying it comes from your parents, from what we as society value, and youngsters being chemically imbalanced. It goes so deep and like Andy said, it's going to have to change generationally. I really like this interview. It's the first time I've heard an actual conversation about solutions and where it begins. Even the comments sections are robust today. My kids will no doubt learn about guns and gun safety, but it's also up to me to help them understand meaningful values, self worth, and what it means to be a "human" as well.
There is a shared responsibility between schools, and the public that pays for the schools. If schools are not willing to to shoulder part of that responsibility by taking CONCRETE steps to harden themselves (pun not intended), then it is unfair to expect that the rest of society must shoulder that burden. But the guest is right on one thing - the problem is generational.
Don't worry, schools will never get changed into a dystopian prison system because education always gets the short end of the funding stick. Schools barely have enough money to buy basic supplies for everyone (well, they don't, but teachers chip in out of their own pockets).
Any "solution" that doesn't involve training authority to figures to recognise signs of developing mental illness or distress, destigmatizing mental illness, early diversion towards meaningful help, eliminating the "kids will be kids" attitude towards bullying, and teaching young people to cultivate a state of empathy and compassion for others within themselves, is treating the symptoms while ignoring underlying causes.
The selfish leaders of the world only care about your money, not your heart... But myself and many others do! We should love and care for each other, people never realize until its too late how little time we have here. I'm going through very tough things in my head but i'm sticking in it to see what the end result will be.
A certain amount of bullying should be expected (you can't stop all of it unless you want to drive yourself mad). I think with more children being raised by single parents is part of the cause.
It doesn't matter if they're trained if they don't implement those teachings. I was abused, it was obvious to the teachers but they never said anything, never did anything.
Actually the FBI knows why it happens. They did a huge study after Columbine. They found it was very very hard to prevent and detect. We are talking about very disturbed young men who feel they have no value and no purpose so they want the notoriety of killing.
I know people hate hoplessness but it it better than irrational fear that motivates the "find a solution" PR bullshit type stuff. The summary stats we have now arn't going to cut it.
Well Jimmy didnt the Parkland shooter post a comment about shooting his school and didnt the FBI have the shooter checked out as a potential threat to his peers and yet they did squat about it and now 17 students are dead, what can you tell us about your precious FBI now Jimmy?
No Zaoy. It was the police and the school. The Obama administration had sent out a letter limiting fed funds for schools that did not improve detention and suspension rates. So neither the school nor the police filed any charges on the well over 20 times the Parkland shooter would have had charges filed. So when the background check happened there were no arrests to deny the sale. But regardless one anecdote does not make data.
Parent are the first line of defense against motivation for this kind of violence . Being present in your child’s life exposes their feelings. Being responsible for your child’s feelings and understanding them is step 1!
Dammit man. It's a tradegy that most people do not realize how to raise a kid. The man never teaches empathy, and women never encourages. I do not know how to raise a kid but Dammit I know for a fact, the healing nature of a nonjudgmental ear to listen to the real them. And caring eyes to see them. And a loving touch with intent. It just seems people are detached or seem removed.
Some of these kids problems are caused by the parents and there are no laws stopping anyone from having kids! The obvious answer to the issue is access to guns...kids shouldn't have access to guns. Reduce access to guns! (But America won't accept that, ever)
To me the answer is kind of long, of course its my perspective The short answer is society. Many boys are raised in a way that prepares them, not to fight an unjust society, but to live and tank through it, for example, telling a kid that he shouldn't cry cause he's a boy, congrats, now your kids views the action of showing emotion like weakness. That's just the start, the second issue comes when the boy is growing, the school system prefers a stereotypical girl, that's the role model for a student in the eyes of the school system, don't move, don't shout, stay still, you can't play that it's too rough, you can't run, so the boys now are being told that the way that they wanna act by pure impulse is not only wrong, but punishable,hes also told that because he's a boy, he'll have to face some unjust stuff and just take it, like the classic "you can never hit a girl" I was taught this too and was punished when I hit a girl back after she kicked me when I was younger. The kid keeps growing, and now he notices that society is quite unfair, putting in his shoulders lots of responsabilities regarding beigg strong and brave at all times, and when he's not, society questions his manhood. The double standards, people not caring, bottled up stress cause many reasons (bullying is a good example), everything starts building up, and there comes a point when he just breaks, and that's why I think it happens (also add to that moronic teachers incapable of seeing that a kid needs help)
I'm sad more people haven't seen this. This is the main buildup, add a bad homelife and depression and isolation and you got someone who will do anything for control. The media also doesn't help with giving the shooter fame and showing pictures of them
You are wrong. We still tell these things to our boys but we dont have problem with school shootings. No man this something that America does alone and nobody else.
@@17MrLeon you are wrong, worldwide men have a higher percentage of depression and a higher percentage of suicide rate, and by a lot, I'm not saying balance it out, cause I don't want women having the same issue, but I'm saying there are issues worldwide, men issues also stay the same in all countries (pressure and expectation) the fact that you take pride on being harsh against your boys sickens me, hopefully that'll change in the future. I'm all out for discipline, not for cruelty
Wow I totally respect his brutal honesty especially in the final moments of this clip. This is a huge problem and I think Joe is onto something with people having a lack of purpose and belonging. That is why, in my opinion, suicide in divorce is so high because people lose their purpose and identify... great discussion
From my opinion it a huge part of the problem stems from how labor is actually undervalued in out society. Be it back breaking work or just something low on the totem pole of sorts. People say stuff like go to college get an education and don't become a ditch digger and most hearing that would agree. But I don't because actual work being done is something that is needed and really seems to reached such a point that in sort of job the top tends to get rewarded when they succeed but when they fail it is usually those at the bottom who will ever feel anything and suffere from it. Which then leads to people feeling that they are nothing and worthless almost since society reinforces that through stuff like that line about college I mentioned above. That's not to speak I'll about educational and educating ones self but at the same time the constant societal reinforcement of one being nothing if they are are not on top or can just as easily be expendable to whomever they work for. Which then Hurts people the most when it just happens to them without realizing it and such. Of which much of this can be extrapolated to a bunch of there things in anxiety as well I would think. Some people just want to live simple lives where they work a 9 to 5 job hopefully making enough to support their families then coming home and spending nights and weekends with said family or friends enjoying what could even be said to be a quaint live. And there is really nothing wrong with that but much of society is poo pooing that. Making far to many feel and live outside their means to possibly live to the standards many belive they should some for. So really if labor was less demonized I would feel it would cascade to many other things and then make much of everything better more sonic people were instead accept the value of it and how much it is actually necessary for the world to actually go round.
Maybe the internet is bad for people. Everything starts to feel pointless when you can look up someone who has already done everything you dream of doing. You can find the answer to any question you have. You can see everything. Not to mention to a young mind others lifes look perfect online and makes your life look like crap.
“I don’t understand how they could do that.” Pretty simple 5-step process. 1.) You’re a weird kid. You were always aware you never fit in, but couldn’t understand how to relate to people. Some of them go out of their way to treat you like shit, while the others mostly think you’re ‘the weird kid.’ You never particularly wanted to be with any of them anyway, because none of them seemed to think like you did, but their maltreatment makes you start to hate them. 2.) This social isolation wouldn’t bother you as much if you weren’t also desperate for a girl, getting pathetic crushes with no chance of panning out, because you aren’t attractive or cool enough. This is hard to cope with as a teenage boy, and leads to self-loathing and anger. 3.) You don’t feel like you’re good at anything in particular, have no real passions, and no idea what you want to do with your life. While others kids are going out and having the time of their life, or accomplishing crazy things like becoming famous musicians, or working towards passions they’ve had all their life, you’ve mostly wasted your life playing video games in your room. You know you’re wasting your life, but can’t rip yourself away from them, as they’re the only satisfying thing in your life. You know you’re smarter than a lot of people, and could do so much more than what you’re doing right now. You’re better than those fucking normal, boring kids. 4.) You see all these school shooters in the news. You see the media demonizing them, but can’t help but see them in yourself. You see them as heroes. You start fantasizing about what it would be like. All at once, you get to blow away all those fucking people you’ve hated all your life, and become a legend. You wonder how many people you can kill, how you’ll do it, what it’ll feel like. You start letting people know your thoughts, and how people are going to take you and what you say seriously. You imagine what the media around you will be like. You’ll get his crazy sense of importance and meaning in your life that feels more serious and fulfilling than any other petty bullshit people think you ought to do. Because you’re a teenager with tunnel vision, you don’t have a good concept of risk vs. reward, the pettiness of your problems in comparison to what the future holds, or the idea that anything could get better without you needing to do something so drastic. 5.) You start making plans.
Ian Gregory really hope things get better for you dude, wherever you are right now and whatever grade you’re in you gotta remember that things will get better
Jesus Christ "I have no skills I suck" also this same kid "I'm smarter, better, and funnier than all those other kids cause I'm special. Whiny bullshit.
I was the smelly, ugly, unkempt kid from elementary to high school. I felt like I had the invisible mark of identification that meant I was undeserving. But I was okay with that, my reasoning was I was a first generation foreigner who had no freaking clue what it meant to ‘fit in’, and I don’t blame my parents either because they were to caught up on trying to survive. I viewed as ‘they’re supposed to hate me, I’m visibly different, and the teachers can only do so much’. I only lashed out to people who thought it was amusing to mock me, like literally making sure I’ve isolated them from the crowd they fed off and wanted a direct confrontation. Murder was far from my mind, I just wanted to get away from the schooling system. I do kind of sympathize with the white kids who couldn’t use my excuse, especially if they did not have parents who loved them. I don’t think this is a gun issue, but there’s way too many moving parts. I’m convinced there are some very intelligent people who probably who have a good grasp at addressing this, but there’s too much noise going on to hear them. It’s never okay to assault people out of a wounded ego, I don’t condone that
I dont agree with the generational argument. Look at what motivates people who shoot up their workplace. The motivations are similar and this has been going on for a while and will continue to go on.
I was bullied over the course of the summer working at my school. I don't care about verbal stuff. I can handle verbal abuse. After a month of these two upper classmen twice my height bullying me verbally they decided to become physical. I may not react to verbal harassment. But you can't control a reaction to physical violence. They choked me, pushed me in walls, lockers, sprayed cleaners on me staining my clothes. Everytime I went home i had to make up an excuse to why I looked so screwed up. "I tripped and hit my face" or "I accidentally stained the hell out of my clothes accidentally." I did these because only b***** did that right? These seniors took time out of their shifts to walk around the school find me and hurt me. This went on for about a month until one day they asked me to help move a ladder and I entered the room and slipped. They poured cleaner on the floor. The bigger one stood me up and said "Listen here bitch, were going to break your fucking arm watch you scream and you can't tell because we're going to make you a cripple if you do." The bigger one had me in a choke hold and asked the other one to hand him a drywall scraper. He cut my head for about 5 seconds before I ran away to a bathroom. I cried and screamed as I pulled out a clump of my own hair and got a bald spot all bloody. I called my mom and told her everything. She told the school at which point they were fired but not even expelled because their parents were in the staff. I wanted to kill them. Bring a knife and stab one of them. To make them feel the pain I felt. I haven't done this yet but I struggle with this temptation to kill them every day. OK SORRY FOR RANTING THIS LONG but if you guys readed this feel free to comment your story's. You people are not alone. Don't do something that would put you on the headlines. Stay strong
When a kid is so bullied that they feel they have no hope, there is no way they can escape or make their environment better for them they believe the only way of making it stop is ending the others lives
Maybe most of them are bullied to the point they hated everyone so much including themselves that they see this as the only way to get justice and end their pain?
@Peace Frog Interesting way of looking at it. I think the issue is even at a lower level then cultural; selfishness in the human psyche which ultimately translates into culture.
2:20 Yes this is a solution but isn't it weird that we have to treat schools like a prison? I live in the Netherlands and none of the schools I ever went to had security.
And I'm sure your government has done a much better job of handling mental health in your nation. There's a lot of challenges for a rapidly growing and already large nation. We're currently working on a reactionary basis instead of looking to fix our health issues before people start dying. All this to say, it's complex and a blanket solution isn't always the right fix. But, in the time between the introduction of the problem and the solution, you've got to come up with some temporary bandaid patch fix. Right now it's to stop the killing and work on the long road of mental health.
VALSGARDE gaming yeah possibly mental health is cared for better in the netherlands. However, you can‘t count the guns out of the equation. you have no access to guns like that in europe. you just don‘t. Don’t let the mentally harmed kids buy weapons AND fix their mental health. thats the way to go.
@@TheQuantixXx neither children nor mentally ill people can purchase guns in america, and if a sick person is determined to do harm they will just use whatever they can. Ban guns and people will use kinves or something.
@@piked774 and if they use knives than number of deaths will probably decrease so u have already made improvement. u didnt solved it but u made it a little bit better
Its the ease of access to the guns in America. There are more guns than people, somebody recently wrote 339 million guns but i didnt verify that. Kids cannot buy guns but the parents that own guns have to be responsible and educate safety. Plus recognizing if someone is a loose cannon and minimizing their access to weapons. If a parent has guns and they notice their child is depressed or angry they really need to be the first step in keeping everyone safe and that is one thing we seriously lack as a gun society.
My son had issues just like we all did growing up,except i know it was tough on him because me and his mom separated.By the time he got to high school,his grades were lacking and his moral was down which concerned me.I took him to counseling and within the first meeting they already wanted to put him on medication.I was hesitant because i read into all the crazy side effects,but i love my son i just wanted to see him in a better place.Within a week or so of him taking the medication he told me he wasn't feeling right,i stopped the medication on the spot.That was 3 years ago,he's 18 now and doing much better without any medication .Yea he dropped out of school which i am not to happy about,but he's in a better place and doing a lot better.My son is a smart kid,he never ran with a bad crowd or did any drugs,he's just anti-social and needs to learn how to get over it which he is little by little.He actually has a good job in construction making good money and a girlfriend which actually made a positive difference in his life..
And that's why your kid didnt shoot up a school you were/are a real parent and cared about what your kid was going through. Although he didnt do what you thought he would it was with your help and care that he has turned into a successful human being. So congratulations on a job well done. I say this in all seriousness and with no pun or joking intended.
My best friend, church-goer, nicest man I've ever met was diagnosed with neuropathy in his feet. So, he takes Lipitor, an anti-steroid to help with neuropathy. Well, Lipitor affects nerves and slows their reactions, and it messes with my friend's mind. It gives him thoughts of suicide and murder vividly for 1 hour a day. He told the doctor, and they simply increased his MGs... After research, I gave him medical marijuana and he feels better, no longer takes Lipitor, no longer has bad thoughts. *i'm glad you saw the signs and took action. These medications are NOT safe*
Ive stopped taking medication that made me feel way off. Brand and dosage effect everyone differently and the doctors basically take a guess on both. So you may have to try different prescriptions. That said, its just a tool to use to get you where you need to be. No pill in the world can replace a caring and engaging parent.
Something very right with a country that hasn't had an authoritarian kill thousands of his own people in the history of the country. Yes second amendment is the mvp and an equalizing force
I could listen to Andy speak for hours. Not sure what it is or why but he's easy to listen to. Smart, articulate and not afraid to admit when he doesn't know, or have the answer for, something.
Up until about 3-4 years ago, the media & news constantly gave the name(notoriety) to the offenders-terrorists. Now 2019 TV news & print media avoid names.
It was basically the first. Something happened in the 90s where culture shifted. When you look at the pop culture and media of the 90s its all about hollow consumerism, nihilism and depression. Thats where the emo culture comes from. Thats where the stereotype of the troubled teenager comes from.
When I was in high school 1984/1988. We had a class called “Current World Events” we talked about whatever was in the news. We talked about suicide bombers in Palestine. The general consensus was, How bad must your life be, that you think a suicide vest is your best choice. Now in 2019 less than a month from 2020 and now are children are so desperate for change why? Lack of Jobs, Lack of OPPORTUNITY, is it A Lack of empathy? Now if you want to be part of helping stop school shootings. It’s not taking guns away. We ALL need to slow down and take the time to care about are fellow humans. Basic Income, Lower the cost of housing, raise wages, free healthcare, free food. Yes basic needs are met. We fight for money and food, shelter, we will do anything to feed are children. If all those basic needs are met. People have time to reflect, become peaceful, learn to share, become compassionate. It when humans have had this is why we have museums full of art, literature, and Romance...Smoke Weed! It brings out creativity. It makes you calm. We ALL have to work hard for change. “People fall apart” because they are so desperate for a few dollars for food, and where will I sleep tonight? If I had to deal with that, I would not make it. We need to bring home jobs and futures hear in the U.S.A. Loose the tyrannical government and start over. We can no longer spend, and spend Billions on military might abroad, when children go hungry here in the USA. Face it we lost the war to see who sells oil to Turkey and Eastern Europe. 20 years in the Middle East, and the Taliban is still in control in Afghanistan and nothing to show but dead people. Follow the money trail. We All Have Been Lied to too many times. ✌️ before profits.
Parts of the problem include (but not limited to): not being taught coping skills, crappy/abusive/big mouth/lack of caring or noticing parents (pick one or more), mental illness, bullying, lack of help at school from faculty or staff, and a couple more that I forgot. When the staff and/or faculty stopped backing the kid who had enough and stood up to his/her bully, that caused a lot of issues.
Some kids get bullied for years, and snap. some commit suicide, some kill. either way they made the choice to stop it. society needs to intervene before that.
I agree, the “something is wrong with everyone and give everyone a pill” is the biggest problem. Talking to at risk kids and discouraging bullying, you know, making them feel like someone cares, would be a big help in stopping these school shootings. I’m guessing that all of these kids would say they never felt heard.
Most school are giving out the message that “they care” already. But some dont put their words into action. Or if they do, its only to save face and doesnt get down to the root of the problem. Its discouraging. Even more so because its going from high to low. Do it only a few times and trust is broken. But thats just for now. Hopefully it gets better in the future.
Mentally stable and healthy people do not start killing others, when exposed to this kind of triggers. I agree that bulling is bad and should be exposed, but it's not like you can bully every person into committing this kind of act.
@Charlie Keiner What's your point, though? Some, but not all? Yeah, we know that already. Doesn't excuse bullying, we should still strive to end it. Otherwise, you're part of the problem for hand-waving it away as a non-issue.
I live in Europe, and I was accused of bullying someone that straight up made his story up trying to hide/explain the problems he had within his family, and even though there was neither evidence nor anything else, the designated teacher took it completely serious. After about three months after a lot of talks I apologized even though I didnt feel as if I intentionally harmed anybody and we both went our way
Compared to the 50's, 60's and 70's single-parent homes are now the norm, rather than the exception. In addition, mental hospitals and facilities have all but closed down, leaving us all at the mercy of whatever meds these children are prescribed, that's if they don't do more harm then good and that's even if the child is taking them at all. Most of these serious school shootings were done by children with significant mental issues. Issues known...but not taken seriously and little if anything is ever done. Adam Lanza (Newtown CT), James Holmes (Aurora CO) and Nikolas Cruz (Parkland FL) are prime examples. So mentally unstable pre/post-teens, on meds, the majority growing up in single-parent homes add in access to guns and you just lit the match.
introduction of "no fault" divorce. 70% of divorces are initiated by women. 80% when the woman is college educated. feminism spread the idea that women can always do better, and they are marrying way too late, having babies way too late and when they do, they usually ditch the husband for a richer or hotter guy, creating fragmented homes. i blame feminism for much of this. i get that women wanted to work, make equal pay, etc, but we've destroyed the male-female dynamic and nuclear family and now our kids are fucked up as a result. social media isn't helping.
Hahaha, OP speaks truth about the current family dynamics in the West and is met with reeeing, whataboutism, and shaming language. Not one counter-argument in sight.
These known mental issues are taken seriously by police, they just can't do anything about it. They can still go buy guns even if the police know they're dangerous.
Three main factors are the decadence of parenting and family life, bullying and school's unwillingness to do anything about it. Here's the usual story. - A kid grows up in an unsafe or unstable household, usually with a divorced single parent who is not fit to care for the kid but gets the custody anyway. Or gets super helicopter-parented - Doesn't learn the social skills needed to make friends and becomes the "weird kid" - If the home is abusive, violent tendencies start to develop - Kid gets bullied and physically assaulted constantly - School doesn't give a shit - Kid lashes out at a bully who is one of the popular kids (this is more than often the case, but not always) - School suddenly starts to give a shit and the kid gets told that it's "toxic masculinity" or "anger issues" - Kid gets even more depressed and bullying intensifies when the bullies realize they can get away with it - Kid knows that there are guns at home and there's nothing left to lose - Decides to kill himself (or herself) and take those bastard bullies with him. - Kid shoots up the school Then people start squabbling about gun laws while this same story starts to repeat again. School shootings are a symptom of a sick society. And I'm not sure if there is a cure to that sickness.
try getting multiple people to doit at differant stages and locations over a week or so then there ya go oh and not caring for someones people in danger and letting them get rekt etc
*"I feel like a lot of people are talking, I don't think anybody is listening"* Well said. Every position on trying to prevent school shootings is set in the trench of either the left or right, we need to start having a conversation not about the 2nd amendment, but about mental health
@Lady Mercy 🤦🏽♀️ clearly you don’t have kids, peoples children are dying dude. It is not about having a bleeding heart, it’s about giving a shit about these kids and their safety.
My H.S had metal detectors and X-ray scanners as well as armed police officer due to gang violence. I felt safer in school than outside of school where gang driveby’s was the norm smh
We didn’t have metal detectors, but we did have gang squad in my high school, because we had two rival neighborhoods/ gangs that would tear the place down the first part of every year. The only way to stop these kids from escalating is to secure the schools. This could be via metal detectors, officers, etc, but if we don’t start with security, then it’s only going to continue.
“But that would make the school feel like a prison!!” or something like that. I’d rather a school feel a little like a prison than have a bunch of dead kids, but maybe that’s just me.
Will Perkins yeah but only for a split second , just like a court house . Lol this was Chicago by the way !! Smh so you could imagine how bad the youth and gun problem was and still is
M Luck two rivals ! We had Folks Vs people’s here in Chicago it was like 10 different gangs gunning at each other not to mention the infighting within themselves smh
Coming from somebody who was maliciously bullied for years, attempted suicide, and has felt what I can only assume as pure, unhindered malice (for lack of better vocabulary) towards the rest of the human race, those thoughts are one of the darkest places the human mind can go. I suffer from various mental health illnesses and it is very comforting to see more and more conversations on the topic. It takes years and years of work and baby steps and mistakes to gain the tools to deal with the chaos that is the human brain. I am lucky to have made it to where I am today, and my journey isn't even over yet. If I didn't have the willpower to make it at least to the next day in hopes of it being better, I know for a fact I would have become one of those statistics
There are cases of bullying going on for years. Can you imagine being the akward skinny kid with anxieties in a school full of bigger, stronger kids who casually decide to make your live hell to boost their own fragile egos? Not to long ago there was a case where a bunch of bullies set a students books and backpack on fire. Then there are beatings, intimidation so and social isolation. No one wants to hang out with a kid that is being bullied out of fear that they fall down the social food chain in the school. If that happens to you for years and you have no one to share your pain with of course you will get violent. I'm not saying it is justified, but it is not hard to understand why someone would do it.
Then my public school teacher sister has the audacity to claim homeschooled kids aren't properly socialized as if the kind of socialization kids get in public school is freaking healthy
Well we did try to have a conversation, Marco Rubio and Dana Loesch were booed off stage, harassed and insulted while trying to have a legitimate open dialogue. It's hard to come to an agreement when the other side sits there, plugs there ears and says it's their way or nothing at all.
YES. After awhile, you Realize that THESE Cretins Are NOT INTERESTED IN ANY SORT of Compromise, OR Actually Addressing the TRUE CAUSE. And that is WHY we are headed for Civil War.
Yes, because we KNOW beyond a shadow of doubt what it's REALLY About, and we're not HAVING It anymore. Give an Inch, you Take a Mile. NO MORE INCHES, or Free Lunches on the matter.@@RoninDave
I live in Chicago, had Chicago Police as our security guards. There was shooting usually gang related and happened outside of school campus not indoors
There’s so many theories on how to fix mass shootings but not gang violence. Idk how you would fix it either cause most of it is revenge for a family member that resembles something like “You killed my cousin imma kill you”
Okay look, i live in eastern europe and its probably a lot different but listen now. If bullies are fucking with you and making jokes about you start doing the same. Show confidense and start fucking with them. You must trigger them as much as you can and embarras them in fron of the class. At some point they will try to fight you. Dont worry about iy because the fight wont be longer than a minute. You should just start hitting them like crazy and shit to scare them. Even if you get beatun up its not gonna be that bad because a teacher will probably come. Then they will get in trouble because they attacked you. If you actually do this be careful outside of school because they can jump you or something.
telling a mental health professional that you have world-burning rage is like telling a cop who just pulled you over that you've got a gun; a very good chance it will not proceed well for you from there
@@Lastprogramer well that ofcourse depends on two things, the type of cop, and the way you state to the cop that you have a gun and the way you move in general around the cop, best move in my opinion is to just be as transparent as possible and move calmly, dont make sudden moves that might make a new rookie cop think you are reaching for a gun
I would like a documentary that explores the lives of school shooters and how they came to be that person. Which could help understand the mental health severity problem.
Andy is just the kind of person you'd want in your armed forces. One of the most battle-capable people in the US, yet also incredibly aware and rational. It's a shame that the higher-ups often don't seem this measured.
@Jack-Rhion Turner Of course they have different goals. They do different things. If politicians were as measured as Andy, the nightly news would look a whole lot different.
First watched joe rogan from netflix when he was talking about him being stoned and talking to dolphins.. now im here with his podcast and just enjoying civil conversations... no anger no negativity.. anyway great seeing him here on ytube reeeee
he's got good points regarding 1) location and 2) motivation. and definitely we have too much polarization of people on the left and right, either banning/keeping guns, without actually addressing the whole problem. gotta look at the shooter, the factors leading to those decisions, either social, psychological, financial, or economical, and find systemic ways to solve them
His initial point was dumb as shit. How many shootings where the president's kids go? That's 1 school. 99% of schools have never had a school shooting. And putting secret service at every school is not remotely feasible.
@@davidthomas7465 you missed his point then. He was just talking about security measures that schools could take and I'm sure if you looked at the schools that have that level of security, there would be less school shootings. Anyways, he said later on that stopping shootings at schools wouldn't solve the school shooting problem, it would just change the address. He is not advocating for more security at schools and mentions that it would be extremely costly.
It’s much simpler than Americans will admit. Mental Health is a difficult subject to understand, work with and fix irrespective of age. What is simple is removing the tools they use to vent their anger, guns. It will be argued by Americans that guns are necessary and that it’s the shooter problem not a gun problem but every western country has the same mental health difficulties that those children committing the mass shootings have. The difference is that we don’t have the guns and don’t have the same mass shootings. In terms of the kids you’ve got to look at how they learn and who has the biggest influence on them, that’s generally the parents. If the parents own guns, if the parents believe they have a right to use those guns to protect themselves against those that have wronged them, why are people surprised that their children use those guns to against those that they perceive as having wronged them?!
@Troll Hunter and are those knife attacks as deadly as shootings? also if u compare USA and Europe(Double the population of USA) i think USA is still winning in schoolshootings
@Troll Hunter i think banning all weapons is stupid idea. i think stricter regulation and deglorification of gun culture would work much better. but i have no idea how to aproach the second point so i would start with stricter regulation.
there’s so many different little things that add up to the outcome. single mothers, depression numbers rising, guns being bought so easily, etc. it’s a disaster waiting to happen when a young man goes into school to get bullied, gets home and sees people with perfect lives on instagram - comparing it to his, along with gun access. 🤷🏽♂️
I absolutely agree that you can't use something you don't have, but access has decreased while school shootings have skyrocketed. If anything there's a negative relationship there. Even if you totally remove firearms (which average perhaps a dozen deaths across most of these things) the same hours of practice and planning put into several backpack bombs could readily kill hundreds. It's easier to assemble a bomb than learn how to be effective under pressure with a firearm. Assuming the trend continues for decades to come, 20 people motivated to massacre their classmates every year turns into hundreds, perhaps thousands. Successfully stop the explosive element and the same sick kids could cook up ricin in their kitchen, or buy a ceramic knife off amazon, or smear transdermal mercury they produced for $40 with instructions off google on doorknobs.. If the primary preventative focus is on removing the tool that's currently in vogue, we aren't changing the underlying issue. We have to address the social and psychological problems that turn kids into mass killers.
You have to be 18 to buy a long gun and 21 to buy a handgun from an ffl. What this means is that kids don't have access to a large marketplace to buy guns. They'd have to have a family member who would be complicit, already have guns, or go the black market route.🤦♂️
I grew up in an incredibly abusive environment. I was ignored by my parents, my best friend in the third grade drowned (became brain-dead and died), when I was 9 I was almost killed by a car while riding my bike to school (literally over a mountain, every day) and couldn’t walk for months afterwards - only drag myself around on the floor. My parents divorced when I was 7, after screaming at each other for months while my dad called my mother "stupid" and "whore" repeatedly. I was sent from school to school, for a total of 25 schools by the time I was 15-years-old. Ultimately my parents threw me away and I was institutionalized for years, sent into foster care, boys schools, residential treatment facilities, group homes and subsequently spent time in juvenile hall in five counties - once for over 100 days, wherein I escaped on day 100 then ultimately turned myself in two weeks later after a meeting with my mother (and probation officer) to discuss giving the nightmarish place they were about to send me to a "chance". Afterwards, at the age of 14, I was sent to the aforementioned hellhole (where the most troubled, abused children were sent) for almost a year, where I was once chained to a pole from my waist and shackled at the feet for about two months. I was released into my fathers care soon after my 15th birthday, and was thrown out of the house 10 months later. Before leaving "home", I studied and passed my final high school exams on my own. Soon after my 16th birthday I was finally left alone; emancipated, living in an apartment by myself, working and going to school. The emotional suffering I went through was so horrific, that at times I felt like I was literally insane from all of the pain and rage. Long story here, I know... I’m getting to my point, I swear. The thing is, that throughout all of this, I never wanted to kill a bunch of strangers. There were plenty of people I wanted to hurt, but they were all people I knew... who desperately deserved it. But I never wanted anyone dead - I wanted to beat them with my fucking hands, but never, ever dead. I was in many, many fights, but I took most of my rage into the gym, on the track, and into the boxing ring. I’m in my 40’s now, a firefighter, I work with Search & Rescue, and I complete (and win) in bodybuilding. I don’t understand what is driving the younger generations to suicide and murder, other than general weakness and an intolerance for a bit of old fashioned discomfort, pain and suffering - the kind that builds strength and character, certainly not the extreme crap I had to endure.
Yeah but like the opposite side of the coin in your expirence someone could come from a fully love & cared for & of well mannered respectable parents ,genes & family upbringing but still have that disconnection or lack of character from so much exterior stimuli just drowning under it while other rise above. In my opinion the only way i see to help not fix cause i dont see a permanent fix to mental illness is have a national mandatory psych evaluation just like an eye exam when u renew your licenses .not explaining it properly dont have the time but think about how astronauts get the proper psych help to keep them composed for their career & duties .now even then we will have a few nutty ones but i can see an overall acknowledgement & steps to hinder it more than let it run rampant like now .
First of all respect. Yeah the point is life throws you into some shit. Some people try to endure and learn from it, others will always just pity themselves and get angry. I learned this lesson in my 20's. I am now grateful for everything I have been through, the past made me the strong person I am today. If any shit goes south now, I don't even bother, I focus on the solution and just roll with it. There will always happen something, if a friend dies, just be happy for all the time you could spend together instead of pitying him, yourself and his family. This literally is life, it is supposed to happen so why not accept it. If I got cancer tomorrow I wouldn't cry. It happens all the time, so why would I curse the gods and fall in depression then? I'd rather be happy the time I got left and plan on completing my bucket list. Just few examples, it's about the mindset. I respect this dude since he decided NOT to stay down, he decided NOT to be controlled by his past, he accepted his challenges, the pain and decided to move on and live his life how he wants and be happy
Whenever the CDC talked about studying gun violence it died in committee. This is why there is no long term comprehensive study that's not substantially biased. Gun lobbyist don't really want the debate. Any restriction hurts their bottomline. As far as the shooters go.These people see themselves as alienated so they feel no connection to their victims when they go off. These aren't their classmate these are their enemies. The amount of school counselors and nurses in school have gone down throughout the years so we have fewer stop gaps. As far as medication I'm not sure if there has been a study that has said whether or not they took medication. I know Eliot Roger refused to take his Doctor's requests under advisement. The shooter at the Community College in Washington was most likely somewhere on the spectrum with a mother on the spectrum. And the Virginia Tech shooter refused to follow Doctor's orders as well. A lot of them have had inflated sense of self and feel entitled to relationships without doing the work. Their low social skills prevent them from have relationships and their inflated sense of self prevents them from seeing their own flaws. You can't change if you can't acknowledge your own shortcomings. I think a lot of kids have not been taught to cope with stress so things go awry quickly. Not all these shooters were poor little victims either. One of the shooters in Texas killed a girl because she refused to go out with him. He did a lot of creepy stuff to her and until she told him to knock it off publicly. He was incensed. He never saw the girl as a person to begin just something he wanted. He lacked empathy to begin with. This is a problem with a lot of incels. They can't woo who they want so they lash out. They don't work on not being likeable.
"Whenever the CDC talked about studying gun violence it died in committee. This is why there is no long term comprehensive study that's not substantially biased. Gun lobbyist don't really want the debate. Any restriction hurts their bottomline." False - the CDC is able to study gun violence and has. The reason the CDC lost 'some of it's funding' was because the original statisticians and persons running the CDC were heavily biased against guns and provided stats that were horribly misleading making the CDC more of a partisan group. As a result, they had specific funding stripped. With that said, they are allowed to study gun violence at any time, but cannot use financial resources to create a subjective narrative. IE. Study it, gather the results, and provide to everyone objectively. Very much like how the FBI does it's stats. Just publishes objective stats publicly and allows anyone to come in and use them.
If people you were stuck around at a young vulnerable emotional age made your life a daily suffering so badly that you felt so hopeless that your only real release from the torment was ending your life, Is it really that hard to understand that you might want to take out the people who have bullied you to suicide?
@MrTron What? You can have all the luxuries in the world and still be depressed. A lot of shooters are mentally ill and have been bullied as a consequence. A lot of shooters havn't been bullied but are depressed along with having other mental illnesses and twisted views of the world around them. The world is not black and white...
0kissMYbASS you’re fucked up. Fantasizing shooting another person. Now I’ve had that about members of isis ya know the terrorist organization that raped tortured and murders innocent people. Not some person who call you a fag..this world is so messed up and thin skinned
Before entering school on the first day of the school year every kid should get to choose his weapon of choice from a weapons locker located somewhere in the school to defend himself with for the year.
I'm a great grandmother now and I've had an amazing life but I've also had a lot of tragedy that would send most people over the edge including myself at times I didn't know if I was going to come back. But like man I have been to 123 seconds where I've experienced total absolute clarity. I have found that very few people get to experience that feeling of absolute clarity. When we as a people can learn to stopping talking about the problem and focus collectively on solutions with the idea that we will find the conclusion.. When people listen that doesn't mean they've heard and until they've heard because they were listening only then can people make a clear concise decision.
We need to start holding bullies accountable, I dropped out of school myself because of bullying. I remember it like it was yesterday, the guy even used to be my best friend until he decided that it would be better to start bullying me day in and day out, every fucking day, harsh bullying, guy would Insult me publicly, call me everything but a white boy, while everyone else just looked on and did nothing. I took it to the school staff and told them, they did nothing other than say stand up for yourself. Guess what I did, I got my ass kicked in front of my whole neighborhood as they came outside to watch this fight cheering on the bully, I lost and the bullying continued, and as you can imagine only got worse, he would spit on me, throw things at me, threaten to kill me, all while his friends laughed in amusement.The guy also lived next door mind you so there was never any getting away even when I wasn't at school. I never did anything to this guy other than tell him to keep his dogs out of my trash that we would put out on the curb. Nobody did anything to help me, they would just look on like spectators at a show amused by the punishment I would receive. I fantasised about cutting his throat all the time, sticking a gun in his mouth and blowing his brains out of the top of his skull. I obviously never did anything, but what really killed me deep inside is the fact that people defended him as if he was in the right, while I would literally just try to stay invisible as possible, I wouldn't even speak his name *literally* that is what killed me inside the most.
Why is it Joe Rogan podcast is one of the only places to find common Sense talk and solutions. The media ,politicians and more need to learn from people like this
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I've seen the "quiet kids" being bullied at my school all the time I've seen them trying to get help from the principal and teachers and they never helped or even made an attempt to stop the bullying
Would you help the quiet kid?
I used to fight the bullies to keep the heat off the quiet kid. They couldnt stand up for themselves because they were puny compared to the bully. I was a bigger guy and I could take the heat and the pain better than they could. The quiet kid is the kid that'll do something like this. Stand up for them and you may prevent something bad from happening just by showing support to them
@@joshanderson3961 Yes
70% of bullying happens when there are no adults around. When told adults usually dont get involved.
Its pretty rare that a mass shooter was bullied though. Its been noted that the columbine shooters were actually the bullies not the bullied. Bullied kids kill themselves,angry kids kill others.
Take a depressed kid, put them in a depressing environment, surround them by people who make it their goal to make sure that kid stays depressed, then act surprised when all that bottled up depression gets converted into anger.
depression all affects people differently... some take it, and some small percentage snap and kill people. We need to help these people. Our society honestly fucking sucks for young people. School is so fucking terrible. Kids should look FORWARD to going to school and learning. They should be able to be with like minded peers. Public schools have to go. I don't know what should replace it. All I know is public schools are toxic for a lot of young minds.
@@moonasha youre right
No ones arguing the validity of the victims anger. What surprises so many is that they use that anger to intentionally KILL other kids.
@@sceptor7931 all it takes is a little nudge on a bad day. If 5 days a week for who knows how long, you had to deal with people bullying you for no reason other than to look cool in front of others it gets easy to think about snapping. Reporting it seems like the proper response but then you have to put up with the backlash of now being a wuss who can't "take a joke". Then when you realise you cant release that anger by fighting back cause you will just get suspended or expelled with your future being ruined, it seems like the easiest option for taking out your anger is death. It's sad that's the easy option people resort to but there's not much that can be done unless future generations get their shit together and realise that bullying isn't the nicest or smartest thing to do. The gun is the weapon used to kill which is why gun owners with children should have a safe and the password well hidden, but it wouldn't be an issue if trash parents actually taught their kids human decency.
@@jagerpride8618 Your're absolutely right. However, I think its a generational problem, not just the bullying itself. Ever since school existed, bullying has been apparent and frowned upon. However, we never really heard about school shootings in history up until about ten years ago. In the times we live in, kids have such easy access to social media and the internet , where they can find and mimic cases of aggression that they feel is suitable to their situation. Sadly, no matter how hard society tries, bullying is never going to go away. I think its better that kids understand this so they know it won't last forever.
Hurt people tend to hurt people.
@@Luke-pd7xj I can't help but feel like some of the drugs that are pushed on to these kids has something to do with it. Depression, bullying and guns have always been around but these school shootings seem to be happening in an age where anytime a kid has a behavioral problem people want to instantly try and solve it with drugs. That combined with the fact parents are afraid to discipline their children and many children are raised on electronics/video games.
I don't have any problem with video games and electronics on occasion but whatever happened to playing outside or going hunting or fishing with your father or grandfather?
@@Luke-pd7xj I agree with most of that. I wasn't really referring to weed as much as I was antidepressants and drugs like adderall. It seems in early 2000 they started prescribing stuff like adderall and other drugs to kids that were a bit hyper or had concentration problems. I remember it was pushed on my younger brother around that time and he really had no reason to be on prescription medications. He was just more of a hands on type and he excelled when put in that type of environment.
I also agree video games themselves are not the problem, I've played lots of video games and even play them now with my son on occasion. I should have stated it's more of a lack of parenting, using video games and electronics in general as a babysitter for your kids.
Being active outdoors, just getting some sun can do wonders for depression. Maybe some do need prescription drugs but I don't believe a large percentage of the kids that they push these drugs on need to be on them. Maybe it has nothing to with any of it and I'm completely wrong, but something has changed in the last 20 or so years to bring this type of violence into schools. Guns and the access has always been there, I was taught how to shoot and respect for firearms at a very young age along with many of my friends, I don't ever remember thinking about school shootings when I was in school.
There are lots of people who put their emotions into rage and are hurt so many times that they feel no empathy or sympathy. That leads to these people feeling like the only way to express the rage, or more the expression of rage, crescendos into these school shooting events
Also the people who never done the drugs and know nothing about them to make assumptions....
@@Luke-pd7xj and SavageApeV4 as a 16 yr old right who is 1) smoking weed at this moment and 2) prescribed an antidepressant called Zoloft I can tell you that, for myself, the weed is far better than any anxiety medication or depression medication I've taken. I do believe I legitimately have depression, as there's a very, very long line of it in (lucky me) both my parents families. Myself (and my 18 yr old sister) both smoke a lottttt of weed and then use it to focus on homework lol. The weed, if given to the right kid, is honestly a great tool. The antidepressants make my mood go up and now, and I also get feverish symptoms whenever I take them again after stopping. I have been telling my parents I take them but in reality I have like 150 pills stocked in my room. I feel COMPLETELY FINE. My grades are As. I don't really know why I went on this rant cause remember I'm high but like they really push it way harder than they need to. These drugs are not good and some of these prescriptions have ripped my other sister's and mom's bodys' apart. If it's the right person, weed is amazing. An already lazy person should not smoke weed.
EDIT: What SavageApeV4 said about the outdoors is also VERY accurate. I began working out more and going on hikes and overlanding trips with my friends in abt 8th grade (10th now) and holy shit.... I really think EVERYBODY eventually succumbs to the effects that the great outdoors has. I'm in a beautiful southern state as well.
Of all the ex military people JR has had on his show, this dude is the most logical and honest dude.
My thoughts exactly. Andy is so damn level headed, articulate and extremely down to earth. He really should consider a higher leadership role in our country
Yes
You forgot Jocko Willink
Yes, contract killers usually act differently, he seems to believe in a cause
The media literally says "hey potential shooters, here's the kids face, he was angry, here's his message, here's the gun he used, it could kill X amount of people in X amount of time, look how famous you could be"
That’s better than no information. Then you would get these huge conspiracies all over the Internet making it seem super cool and mysterious. This is also very attractive to a potential mass killer.
@@JohnSmith-sm7ez Thing is they can provide the information of what happened (The School shooting and the number of victims / status on shooter etc)
Without informing about the name of the shooter and how he did it etc.
Since that info is not needed for the wider public.
The people who live where it happend will find out that info regardless (Since there will be witnesses who saw who it was etc or if the shooter lived there will be a trial etc)
but there is just no need to spread that info on mass media across an entire nation continously for days or weeks as that does not help anybody,
It wont help the victims or the families and it wont cause any change to happen.
Only things it will do is create views / money for the mass media and increase the chance of further school shootings.
@@Mattebubben yea.. and the fact that they repeat it as often as possible just for clicks.. every single update.. constantly digging for more info on the shooter to bring in more viewers
But you know they do that to enforce the narrative that guns are bad and need to be taken from citizens. It's all a power play to subliminally condition younger generations into thinking the tool is the problem and not the people pulling the trigger. And it's slowly working, unfortunately.
The media thinks they're doing the public a huge favor by reporting information, when much of it is so negative and toxic, not to mention biased up the ass, and at many times (especially recently), inaccurate.
When do you see top stories that talk about good things? Maybe heroic firefighters or police that saved lives, or good Samaritans helping out their fellow man; positive economic figures, innovations, or love during the holidays. You don't see that stuff. It's buried in the lesser articles that people don't read. No, when you turn it on, you see death, toxic politics, corruption, scandals, sex, drugs, and war.
Ah so you are one of those if we just don't talk about things they don't exist people.
Just put the kids on DMT
Best solution. Or mushrooms or acid. I would suggest that's something we're all missing. At least the Netherlands is trying to be progressive.
as stupid as that might seem it might help them understand the value of life
Or give them all shawn of shotguns
prescribe me 10000ug of lsd weekly injected and I’ll never have any aggression ever again and won’t need any other drug for sure. This is not a joke pls make this a reality I want acid prescribed to me I would be happy forever I dont care about long term or short term issues fuck I just want the acid. This is not sarcasm! Please
@@SuperDragler Yikes. You need help guy.
"Everyone is talking, no one is listening." Now that's a powerful and true statement. The thing is, no one thinks that it is going to be THEIR school.
@Charlie Keiner pretty sure school shooters exist because they got hit too much...
very true, one just happened at my sister's college yesterday. i was wondering what joe said abt it bc i know he's a sensible guy. sadly its as i feared and its so much more complicated that people make it out to be. even more in the UK where i am now bc people here think its so obvious and simple to fix. and when things like this continue to happen they just hate america, in fact ive had someone actually ask me if I hate being an American, or if I hate America. im trying to change my tune and actually listen instead of saying more gun control will completely fix it, im gonna try to listen more to the other side.
@Charlie Keiner do you have studies on what you said?
Sleepy ninja rin i mean not that i believe there is a link but there were less school shootings when hitting kids was still legal x’D maybe it’s something to consider lmao
Enjoy Hash it’s more because access to firearms was less restricted back then. If you wanted to shoot up a school someone was going to stop you before you got very far. Instead we got inter generational trauma from generations of abusive parents and bullies raising bullies and now that there’s nothing to stop the bullying victims from shooting up the school, they just do it
yes the teachers always know they hear everything. in fact they normally know the student gossip as well but tend to do nothing ive seen it and been on the receiving end of it. when i was being bullied the teacher actually singled me out for defending myself and i was sent to the principles office for talking during class the dudes picking on me got no trouble nothing. i still hate this teacher to this day
Something similar happened to me. Little annoying kid bugged me to the point where I'd slam stuff out of anger. Then being yelled by my teachers as they sat there doing nothing about it. " mike picks on me every day and u did nothing." .....oh no he didnt ....yes he did. At the end of the year in PE class he started running his mouth again and I snapped. I walked up to him and popped on right in the head. .....he stopped. Teachers found out the year after and said I shouldve got a detention because they all loved him cause they thought he was funny. " So it didn't bother you that he constantly bugged me?." ......no answer. This was the same school district that put me on ritalin cause of my behavior. I grew up in a broken home what do u expect. Go public education
Me to mate.. Never met a good teacher in my life.
My theory is that the shootings started in the late 90's when we allowed bullies to get away with their actions and disallowed the victim from fighting back
And this only happened in the US? Or do you think kids have supereasy access to guns?
And parents legally were not allowed to reprimand/spank the child
@@carsonmckurtis2585 what a ridiculous statement, of course parents can still reprimand their kids and spanking is still legal in all states.
@@anthonyfletcher8053 the issue lies in the definition. If you look at the instances of gun violence happening in schools there was somewhere around 50 in all of 2019. Naturally a lot of these were not your classic trench coat and AR-15 but rather the gang-gun-violence epidemic spilling over into schools, with only 1/2 being injured (not enough to classify as a “mass” shooting).
www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/11/15/us/2019-us-school-shootings-trnd/index.html
However I would argue that any gun violence, happening at a school, aimed at children/ teachers is abhorrent and something should probably be done to stop it given the US is the only country on the planet that seems to struggle with gun violence in schools in quite this way.
@@carsonmckurtis2585 first its still legal in the states, but not here. And we dont have shootings and you still do. Wrong excuses. Again.
Medication alone doesn’t solve mental illness. It’s easy to give a kid meds and say ‘We’ve done our job. We gave them meds.’
Meds don’t solve a vacuum of attention, or love, or company.
Well said
So true. Meds can only do so much
It's true I mean if you look at the shooters in the past years it's all kids or people who are on antidepressants or some form of a depressant and I think it numbs them to the thought of killing like it's nothing. What us humans need is to admit we all need attention and love and to find help for us and others to get the care we need
So you've said what doesn't work but offer no solution.
ep1phany62 Quit calling them meds, they are potent drugs rearranging the chemicals in a child’s growing brain. These drugs are the number one factor to school shootings. Giving 10 million kids drugs for anxiety is not the answer
I just watched two guys agree with each other for almost 16 minutes.
You must be new to JRE then.
Joe typically agrees with most things his guest says. If he disagrees, he phrases it as a question and the person usually answers. There's very rarely any actual disagreements or shouting matches)
Yeah that’s pretty much how he is with every guest. Rarely he’ll straight argue with someone unless they are being fucking crazy but if he has someone on who is pro gun control he’ll be pro that when they are on and anti when a guy like this is on
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@@jorgepitkill7412 Unless it’s someone who wants to ban weed then be becomes a savage
LMAO Jesus Christ your comment really made me crack up hahaha idk why but I thought that it was really funny thank you for that
As a teacher, my goal is to everyday be there for any kid who may not have any support elsewhere. The adults in my life have built my resilience, I just hope to pass on all that was given to me. Thank you guys for all you do.
Thank you sir for serving your community. Please strive to be that teacher everyone remembers 10 years from now for THE GOOD REASONS👑
As a teacher my job is to teach. I have no interest in being there, nor do parents care… the culture and our society don’t care either. Good luck, survive…
As someone who spent years getting bullied in school I did kinda get the feeling in my head that if only I could get rid of these people I wouldn't have to suffer anymore. Obviously I never did anything about it and I'm okay now but bullying messes you up, I wasn't that heavily bullied however it still really affected me.
The bullying itself might not have seemed that bad but just the fact that it happened every single day and I couldn't get away from it was a nightmare. I would plan my trip to school precisely because I knew when the bullies would arrive at school and I was very often late because I went in last minute. I would sit still in a corner thinking about where to move my eyes or where to put my hands because it felt like literally every single move I did would get judged, I wouldn't read a book or anything during a break I would just sit still trying to avoid getting laughed at. Every single day someone in my class would say something about me thinking that I didn't hear them, but I did.
I would skip meals every day and instead sit on the floor next to whatever classroom I'd go to next. I would skip school as much as possible to avoid the bullies. I had good friends and had a good social life outside of school but as soon as I got to school I couldn't do anything or wouldn't say a single word. It's like I had 2 personalities
Majority of people can understand depression brought on by a major event, but not when it comes from a thousand tiny events. Both can eat away at you.
It's time to grab a baseball bat or some sort of none lethal weapon that produces a large amount of shock, follow whoever bullied you on his way home and beat the shit out of him. IT'S THE ONLY WAY to stop teenagers from bullying others, let them taste their own medicine once and they will never forget about it. people are fragile, just make sure they don't get hurt too bad to be shown as evidence or die in the process. If you don't think you have enough stamina to swing that baseball bat toward them, try making the bat look intimidating, the factor of fear is always a lot more effective when it comes to dealing with people, these morons only learn to respect others when they finally hit the wall in the society or gets taught a lesson when they are still young. beating them up and teach them how to respect others might actually be helping them.
Also, never let other people's opinion control you. be yourself. Those people that are very emotional or constantly judging others are sheep of the society because they put unnecessary standards and boundaries between themselves and others, one day the reality will teach them how delusional they are (some of them will never admit their own mistake, and continue on suffering the consequences). Right now their stupidity is an open exploit you can take advantage of. During school just focus on building your own life, learn new things or study martial arts after class if you are into it. make some real friend you can talk to and rely on.
Walde sorry you had to go through that. I wasn’t bullied for very long but it made me super depressed and suicidal. Fucking sucks man.
It's a struggle for teachers too. I had a few years like what you described too, and now I'm a teacher. I can see some kids going through what I went through. I've told other kids to stop, but they just don't get it. I know that the only thing I can do is to spend time with that kid and be his friend when no one else will... But oftentimes I can't, because the school keeps me too busy with utterly meaningless work. So I'm rushing to upload plans and complete their tasks, while in the next room over the smartest kid in my class is going through hell with no allies. FML it's frustrating.
I relate to u so much, i kno how that feels
Nomarlize Mental Health Care In Society like Drinking Water and Social Media
We need to denormalize social media. Or at least deincentivize social media
Social media is not the answer. Social media cause depression and anxiety
Agreed. There is still a deep stigma with mental health treatment.
True, but I also think if we had a facility in every city, they would go unused. Human nature is to avoid getting help like that.
I agree. But I also see a pattern of - when you have a personal issue, always look externally for a solution or someone to solve your problem. To extent it’s needed of course BUT what gets less importance and attention nowadays is dealing internally, coping mechanisms, how to help yourself instead of blaming everything else and not take self responsibility. Outside help is not always going to be there at a whim no matter how much we provide and facilitate it. 2 people can have the same issue but deal with it in complete contrast. The one who deals with it badly usually doesnt have self coping mechanism or developed traits to work through issues - you need to have them to even recognise and understand to look for help externally. We need to NORMALIZE (again) that it’s ok to have issues - your not strange or odd for having them, we all go through problems, we are not victims, it’s LIFE. You will never be happy thinking you’ll never have issues. Accepting you will and putting in place basic trains of thought and put basic mechanisms into practice takes the stress of being lost and not knowing what to do away - there’s always the feeling of a way forward then.
school when kids are begging for help with bullying, academics, and mental health:
*I shleep*
schools when kids vape:
*R E A L S H I T ?*
*s h l e e p*
*s h l e e p*
*I S H L E E P B R U H*
skewl:ayeeeeee we'd actually care less if y'all just ran up in here and just went on a massacre
massacre happens
skewl/skewl boards everywhere: *OMFG HOW COULD WE LET THIS HAPPEN, AS A COUNTRY? WEE NEED TO BAN THIS THING AND THAT THING AND BAN THINKING BAD THOUGHTS. ITS EVERYONES FAULT AND EVERYONE, EXCEPT FOR US, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE CREATED AND ENFORCE AN INCREDIBLY OPPRESSIVE SYSTEM FOR PEOPLE IN THEIR VERY FRAGILE FORMATIVE YEARS TO BE FORCED TO GO INTO EVERY DAY FOR YEARS! HOW DARE CONSERVATIVES AND (insert president thats currently in office here as to future proof mein comment und it still be relevant) CONTINUE TO ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN!!!*
kid: vapes in his bape shorts and bullies kids who don't wear over priced garbage that stole their whole font and style from a genuinely creative artist
skewl: alright, we're going to take all the necessary steps to prevent this from happening anymore, and, we're even gonna go over board a little bit, just to ensure this "health risk" no longer exists. even though they're doing outside of skewl 99% more than at skewl but, fuck it, murica (FUCK YEAH!!!11!!1!1!) AINT A FREE COUNTRY, BITCH!
*S H L E E P*
I was friends with a family of a school shooter in Virginia, and they were absolutely destroyed by the actions of their family member. People like to blame the family, but truth be told, they were no different than my own, or any other middle class family. -And that's the scariest part of this.
You say that but something was different for their son to do that. It's hardly normal behaviour
@@StoutProper No thats not true. It Mental issues dont have to be because the family he was just fucked up bottom line
@@jesseolson3142 and the family never noticed? That’s horseshit
@@StoutProper Yeah they never noticed. I doubt they come home and say Im going to shoot a bunch of people. If it so obvious what happened in Colombine? 2 kids shot the school up and no one seen it coming not even the school counselors. You cant tell whats going on in peoples mind. Like suicide people who say they want to kill their self are most likely asking for help. The ones who actually do it dont say shit. Same thing if you wanna go kill a bunch of people you act normal
I wouldn't blame the family. I would specifically blame the father. As a male, we need role models. We need people to tell us to stop being pussies. We need people to tell us to fight, win lose or draw. Most kids are so afraid to get in trouble... its laughable. My father taught me early on that NOBODY cares about my feelings and that I was never in trouble unless HE told me I was. I was taught to be a savage, body mind and soul, while at the same time I was taught to have a moral compass and never to compromise it.
Kids today are told never to fight. Always compromise (even if it compromised their beliefs)...So what do you think happens when compromise doesnt work? They cant fight.. they have no moral compass... So it's no problem for them to shoot up the people who hurt them or do nothing to stop it. Kids need to be taught to stand up for themselves , even if it means they fight every so often.. its as simple as that.
Mental health in this country is a JOKE. Even with insurance!
As much as the Left claims to hate Reagan. They never go after him for destroying our mental health institutions which left a gap that was filled by private insurance companies and pharmaceutical drugs. Not anti capitalistic nor thing all medication is the devil, however it's something that cannot be ignored. That and the fact that it's known that boys in this country are over prescribed Adderall and Ritalin.
Insurance is extorting us legally. It say you pay for this or else this is your punishment. So even if you bend and pay you may not get coverage you need because what you need and can afford may not meet up. Then when you do get what you need you get reps calling when you use it to much. Any way. Have a good day , take care.
About 10+ years ago, in the state of Connecticut where I lived, they shut done most of the mental institutes and pushed the most severe cases to a few local Hospitals. I have a buddy that worked in the ward at one of the hospitals and was saying that most just get released without the treatment they need because the local hospitals just aren't staffed or is equipped to handle them on a long term bases. He was also telling me that it just wasn't CT, but others because the states are cutting budgets for things like that. It's a sad thing that goes on.
As someone who worked in a state mental institution, I agree. We had so many people who we called "frequent fliers". People would be in there for a few weeks or a few months and get released only to return sometimes in just a few hours, or one day later.
It's a huge joke. The psych doctors get paid big time money to put these people on medication that turns them into zombies and they wonder why the patients ask to be taken off them. Then they change the people's medicine up all of a sudden and the people go 100% psycho and we'd have to hold them down to give them shots. Damn shame how this all goes.
I pay 250 a check for health insurance through my work and I make 10 bucks an hour. What does my insurance cover? Literally nothing.
This is hands down one of the most intelligent conversations I have listened on this topic. Stumpf made a great point about how a big part of the problem is that we are too polarized as a country to even have a conversation, too many people are talking but no one is listening. Great point.
but see, that makes sense & is not sufficiently dramatic enough to warrant attention from the right people. people would rather escalate things to a frenzy & have peoples perspectives clouded with emotion rather than cleared with logic. we probably wont see a real, viable solution in our lifetimes.
Sure, Nicolas, I can do THAT, and I can't even AFFORD an AR. You see, the AR/M-16 gun platform was DESIGNED to be a Modular gun, so five or ten different Factories could build the parts, and you could take parts from any of the different factories, put them together into a Working Weapon, for Military Expediency and Economy. WONDERFUL Idea! Now, Pay Attention, because this is YOUR Answer: This weapon was Designed and Intended for Infantrymen, who MUST Have a Tough, Reliable, Decently Accurate rifle that is LIGHT Above All Else, because they have to CARRY it everywhere they go. So it has an Aluminum Receiver(VERY Light!) with the Critical Parts being Steel Alloy,(Light ENOUGH). Well, these Very Qualities ALSO make it PERFECT as a HUNTING Rifle. Light, Handy, parts are easily and quickly Swapped to make it even MORE Perfect for YOUR Particular Need or Use. Because it's Lighter and handier, even SMALLER People can Use it Safely and Effectively( WOMEN, KIDS?) so the Whole Family can Go to the Range and Have a Blast. Because of its' Acceptance by the Sporting Community, the Makers have Also Taken It Up, and Made MANY Improvements. The Army just wanted it Good ENOUGH. But hunters and target shooters wanted it BETTER, and BEST. After all these years, ALL the Bugs are Gone from it, powder and bullets have been Improved, until Now the AR/M-16 is the ULTIMATE, Go- Anywhere/Do-Anything Rifle In The WORLD. From merely Adequate Accuracy, it's NOW One of the MOST Accurate autoloaders EVER BUILT. Police and Military SNIPERS use them ! That ALONE is UNBELIEVABLE to a Vietnam Veteran. I ask you, Nicolas, WHAT Sportsman would NOT want a rifle like that?! And because it is a Modular design, if there is ANY feature at ALL on the rifle that you don't like that well, Swap It Out for one you LOVE, there are AT LEAST Three Different versions of EVERY Part ON it! Light, Handy, and LOW Recoil, SUPER Little rifle for your Lady. Maybe you want a little more Powerful caliber. NO PROBLEM. Get a different Upper receiver and swap it out. Takes About One Minute. Switch to the corresponding magazine, and Rock ON. You Literally CAN'T Beat it with a HAMMER! And THIS ALONE is WHY it has become So Popular, it has EARNED and PROVEN its' Performance for nearly half a century, now. Besides all THAT, ALL of the BEST Hunting and Target rifle WERE Originally MILITARY Designs, or INTENDED for Military Use. The M-98 Mauser, the 1903 Springfield, M1 Garand, Enfield S.M.L.E., P1917, even our Beloved Winchesters and Henrys. The Famous Sharps Buffalo Guns Started OUT as MILITARY Breechloaders. ALL are STILL IN PRODUCTION TODAY. But you can build TWO or more AR's for what ONE of these cost. And not have to load your own Ammo.
Now, as to the 'Tough Guy On Range' Thing. That is just Insecure Macho/Girly-man behavior, and those guys do that with EVERYTHING, because they don't realize that THINGS do NOT Make you Better or Inferior, or even a MAN. Cars, Boats, Houses, Planes, CLOTHES, Hell, you even have WINE and CIGAR Snobs. Music, Literature, EVERYTHING, there is ALWAYS a Passel of those guys(AND GIRLS!) Out There Showing Off, trying to build themselves Up with POSSESSIONS. And trying to make others feel Bad about themselves, or their OWN Gear, or Whatever. I USED to think EXACTLY the same thing YOU think about AR's, a couple decades ago, for the same Reasons. Since then, they have Progressed, and now my old Lever Action seems a little, well, OBSOLETE. And, since the AR was DESIGNED with a thirty-round magazine, I wouldn't have to carry ANY Spare ammo when hunting, making MY Pack Lighter, too. I'm getting too OLD to Pack these Good Old TEN-Pound rifles Over Hill and Over Dale, lol...But I hope this Helps you to Understand the AR Better, Nicolas. It went from a dangerous POS As Issued to one of the Very BEST Rifles On Planet Earth, and CHEAPER, too. @nicolas guzman
But people are listening. I've yet to hear a right winger say we shouldn't be more responsible with guns. Only the left is claiming the solution is simple.
Then talk about it instead of trying to take people's guns away. And nobody said keep the gun in your safe while you sleep.
What a rude arse hole. English not your first language?
good segment. he’s right...”people talk but aren’t listening “ 100% accurate
I'll never claim to have an answer to anything in life. I think the strong polarization of the American public leads to two major problems. The first is both sides sabotaging progress. The second and perhaps worst is that media outlets feed on the frenzy while a nice realistic middle ground solution is lost. I'm almost always a middle of the road kind of guy and I'm usually standing alone.
@@spade2you it's simple. You have too much ease of access to guns. Britain and Australia solved the problem after our first mass shootings. But America has some retarded commandment from the Bible about their second amendment.
@@barnabyjones6392 Yes? That's how we deal with problems... Not sure what point you're trying to make with that - there's increased knife violence, so we create tougher penalties.
@@grubbybum3614 The thing is where does that stop? because it won't be knives but it could forks, or baseball bats and if you keep banning things you're eventually going to make it to where nobody can have anything. Banning guns is not the solution and it's not a bible thing it's literally to prevent the government from taking us over and controlling it's citizens the past has shown us this and we don't want to repeat the same mistakes. it's the reason why the 2nd amendment was put in the 1st place we have other solutions for our country but higher ups are not listening and they're not trying to do something where both parties don't have to be in conflict with 1 another.
Putting in security at schools would create thousands of jobs across the country making it better overall. Working on getting people actual more help is also, another great step in doing this. But nobody is listening to these idea's and trying to solve it...they're just doing the most extreme thing which would both parties extremely angry for no reason at all.
@@PureGaming1845 this man is either a troll or a brit. 1776 happened for a reason, and couldn't have with out guns. Just look how fucked the UK is right now.
Last year, I was 14. I had just got to school and I was hanging out with my friends at our normal spot. Gunshots started going off so we started running, I remember looking back to make sure my friends were ok and I watched bodies drop. I’m not a scientist, but I remember the distinct feeling of my senses being heightened and a surge of energy I had never felt before. I assume this was purely my instinct to live kicking in. As I get out of the school and make it to the parking lot I noticed teachers being hysterical, some running in circles, dropping their computers and papers and freaking out not knowing what to do. At that moment I realized the people who are teaching us and supposed to be strong and protect us are still human. This experience made me an adult, I haven’t developed ptsd or anything like that from it, but I know people who have and that shit is devastating to see . What I mean by it made me an adult is it made me mature. We weren’t just kids anymore after that. I wish it would have never happened, but I also wouldn’t be the same person without this experience and for that I am grateful. It made me appreciate my day to day life more. I’m 15 now, looking back on it I never realized the impact it had on me, for the better. Remember that good things come from bad things too, it made me a stronger human at the end of the day. Whatever you are going through in your life is only making you better, even if it sucks. (Saugus high school)
You’re wise beyond your years. Life is a full spectrum of emotions.. both positive and negative, but it upon you to make the most of these experiences and control how you’ll move forward a better person or best possible version of yourself. Always remember you’re no good to anyone else unless you’re absolutely okay and prepared mentally first. Best of luck to you young person.
Yes, good things can come out of tragedy, however, you lost your childhood way too early. That's a tragedy.
Very mature and insightful words for a 15 year old. I am more than twice your age and am very glad I read your comment. Always remain open about your experiences for they can help others in ways you may never know
Bro what I hate about school shootings is that it motivates kids to even fuck around saying there gonna shoot up the school , two weeks later after the Saugus high school shooting a kid in highschool said he was gonna take a gun and shoot up the school the kids found out after he posted it on social media and no kids showed up to school the next two days until they arrested the kid who said he was gonna shoot up the school
When the SHTF, there's trained and there's untrained. The teachers aren't trained for this. You have to give up a small part of your soul to be trained for this, but in the end every building you walk in to, you know the exits, you know where cover is, you know that mobility is life. You don't have to be jaded, but you have to be particularly aware of your surroundings. Bless you for surviving. I hope your life is filled with love, joy, and happiness.
I was bullied for years and years in grade school until I moved to a new school in high school. Turns out I suffer from PTSD from it, my parents didn't care about it when I grew up. In fact my mom figured I was responsible for it.
I fully can understand why people kill and think it is a resolution. They have nothing, they don't think it will get better. There were times I considered shooting particular classmates.
When I was 10, I contemplated suicide to escape it, my mom thought I was just being silly when she found out how depressed I was. What kind of 10 year old thinks that way and no one cares?
I'm 36 now and my mind is completely different
Berengier817 on behalf of humankind, I’m truly sorry you went through that.
I am so, so sorry you had to go through that. It is so sad most of the adults don't really listen when a kid has something to say. May I asked, what helped you overcome all of this? What made you stronger?
I was 7 when I wanted to kill myself, I had dark thoughts but all it takes is help it’s hard to see and is never easy to get by but u can always ban gun but it’ll never help the real people who suffer due to there inability to see the bigger picture. We all know this to be true I hope you agree
How did you overcome your scarred memories?
Kids are cruel and that is hard to fix.
As someone who suffers from mental health issues, my family was the biggest factor in getting me through it.
Getting through it ? So you got through it ? So you don’t suffer ... or were you saying they helped you get through your school shooting
Hunter Cook he said getting through it never got through it dumbass. grow the fuck up
My family was the CAUSE of my problems. It took me years to stop hating myself, and I will not forgive or forget what they did. I don't hate them anymore (maybe one I still do), but I accepted myself, which is way more than those selfish, greedy control freaks would.
@@soco13466 man I feel bad for you, I feel as of now without my family I wouldn’t be here anymore
1. Kid gets bullied to NO end, at school and/or his home, becomes ABSOLUTELY desperate
2. Grabs a gun and kills his abusers (and a bunch of innocent people)
3. Police show up, murders him, or he turns a gun on himself first
4. Adults pretend to be idiots, say ''I don't understand what this is about''. Rinse and repeat.
I don’t think “murder” is the correct term to describe the police taking out a school shooter. Especially when officers have been shot, killed, or wounded by them. Bottom line, there is no justification for shooting up a school. I don’t care how much you’re hurting, you don’t have a right to take someone’s life unless they are trying to take yours.
@@nj7969 The problem is you're essentially approving (or at least not actively opposing) bullying with that statement. ''Bullies should be allowed to bully and harm, and there should never be a consequence''. Well, guess what, there are consequences. And that attitude ensures the problem continues, ad infinitum.
AvyScottandFlower I’m assuming that your quotations were a summation of my argument. Which I don’t even think is a straw man. That’s just completely putting words in my mouth.
You sir are the one on the side of the shooter stating that it is “murder” to stop him from killing his class mates and by that logic implying That the police protecting the law abiding students is a bad thing. If you’re being bullied then speak up about it and get counseling if it’s that bad. In no way have I defended bullying. All I stated was that the minute you open fire on defenseless students killing the shooter is absolutely justified and in no way murder.
AvyScottandFlower I say arm teachers
@@nj7969 I'm siding with the kid being bullied, but I don't approve of him killing people, especially innocent people.
The way I see it, the point is ridiculously simple (in theory, at least): STOP the bullying, stop the dysfunctional homes, and the shooters disappear.
Nearly ALL school shooters are single-mother sons (and males who are in prison too). But is society gonna address that? The root cause of the shootings?
*OF COURSE NOT.* Let's just all pretend to be stupid and ignore it instead, because that works so well.
I’ve always been the guy who fights the good fight. I put that energy into the service for twenty two years. Where I come from you learn very early on bullies must be put in their place. No matter the trouble I could get in,did not matter to me. I always fought the bullies. I could not standby and not help someone who was being bullied.
No one cares buddy
@@markonino12 I’m 100 percent sure the people I helped,cared. So what you are saying now,doesn’t matter. And it never will.
@@markonino12 and I’m not your buddy,dick head.
Yep - roger that - can’t stand a bully.
I went to 4 different grammar school, I was bullied at all of them.. once I learned early on bullies don't want to fight they just want to slap around
To help prevent the motivation:
1. Get fathers back in the home.
2. Encourage in person social interaction. Sports, church, DnD group. Anything.
3. Rethink how we treat mental illness. Medication on a society wide level doesn't seem to be working.
4. Make secondary education about acquiring skills and knowledge, and not about socializing.
5. School choice. Whether through vouchers or easing of bureaucracy, giving families choice of where to send their children is never a bad thing.
6. Make early graduation more available. If they are smart enough to get a GED, they should be allowed to graduate early.
7. Don't punish kids reacting in self defense. Always punish the aggressor, and punish the responding student less or not at all.
The goals in addressing this issue should be to promote a stable home life, prevent social isolation, and give people a sense of agency and control over their lives.
But alot of these shooters have had both parents in their home and were from middle to upper class homes
@@torisefford989 Most don't have both parents. We know single motherhood is associated with an increase in mental illness and criminality. This is uncontroversial.
You should really be in charge of the school system
Church? Ewwww
#praisethesun
@@thattubechannel ,actually it is a mixture of kids from single parent homes,homes with both parents,and some a of mass shooters have had no hint of mental illness,or previous criminal background,...and there are millions of kids or people in general who have flaws mentally or were brought up by single parents who turn out ro be awesome people,so its extremely hard to tell these days. Like they its the ones that you think are untrustworthy ,are actually the one you can trust the most(&vice versa).. Its a tragedy ,life is..but there is good beneath all the evil.
A very mature conversation where two men are trying to get to the truth rather than be right. The world needs more men like this.
Joe “I think you’re 100% correct, have you ever done DMT” Rogan
This is what I was looking for in the comments
@@joeylemon1195 haha same here
Best one I’ve seen so far lmao
Michael Moore : "If you were to talk directly to the kids at Columbine or the people in that community, what would you say to them if they were here right now?
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Marilyn Manson : "I wouldn't say a single word to them. I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did."
Breaking points are breaking points. You’ll go far in life understanding and respecting where they are.
Preach
Americans have solutions to fix everybody else's problems but their own.
do it or we'll invade/drone/choke your economy, are not good solutions to other countries problems. these solutions cause those countries citizens hate USA, and worse case, creates terrorists who want to hurt USA. like Joe said while talking to this dude.... you hit someone, they will get you back somehow. it is not a solution. its why isreal and palistine will be killing eachother forever. palistine 'you hit me, i hit you back' - isreal 'you hit me, I get you back' rinse repeat.
You mean the American government. Americans would rather just mind our business when it comes to foreign affairs.
Bruceolini and his big weenie fax
do what i say not what i do
lmao
When I was young and had a bad day at school it was generally over after the closing bell. Now all those problems follow them on their phone. People can't get away anymore. Hell is just one phone alert away nowadays!
Mike Fletcher Exactly, social media is a major culprit. It’s not a coincidence that anxiety and depression in young people has risen drastically with the rise of social media. Anxiety and depression can lead to isolation, isolation can lead to a bitter world-view that can be deepened with social media and the internet. Add that to an ease of access to guns and you’ve got a shitty cycle.
@@SC-ew2fc Sad thing is smart phones are more addictive than crack. How are we gonna get the whole world off crack? I do like the guys view of it fixing itself over generations. I think I'm glad I grew up when I did. Hopefully for the kids the future proves that a silly thought.
And there’s the solution no more smart phones to people under the age of 18
Exactly....and the fear of being "called out" on social media or emberrassed.
Mike Fletcher so your a crackhead ?
i love how andy said “someone with more horsepower between ears than me can figure that out” is the funniest shit ever
Lonelyness and social isolation. And very thin Line of succes and failure.
Absolutely, look at any of the shooters, and they are all disconnected from society
Agreed. Also, remember when you’re in high school....it’s like social acceptance is EVERYTHING to the majority of students. Teenagers are very unbalanced chemically. There’s so many facets to answering the question. A stable home environment is absolutely critical as well.
@@leecro83 I think another element (one of many) is that if you ask kids what they want to be when they grow up the most common answer today is "famous"
I think hes saying the answer over and over. If i wanted to in canada i could get 800bucks and buy a gun. What makes us different some access but mostly becsuse we socially give a shit about eachother at the end of the day
@@armageddonbound great point! There are just so many angles to the question. Ultimately we're saying it comes from your parents, from what we as society value, and youngsters being chemically imbalanced. It goes so deep and like Andy said, it's going to have to change generationally. I really like this interview. It's the first time I've heard an actual conversation about solutions and where it begins. Even the comments sections are robust today. My kids will no doubt learn about guns and gun safety, but it's also up to me to help them understand meaningful values, self worth, and what it means to be a "human" as well.
I can say turning schools into a dystopian prison system isn't the way to go either.
implying thats not what its already is
Schools are based on a dystopian prison system. Look up who created them. The same guy who designed prisons.
@@jekkt Not at all. Schools are bureaucratic, prisons are sterile
There is a shared responsibility between schools, and the public that pays for the schools. If schools are not willing to to shoulder part of that responsibility by taking CONCRETE steps to harden themselves (pun not intended), then it is unfair to expect that the rest of society must shoulder that burden. But the guest is right on one thing - the problem is generational.
Don't worry, schools will never get changed into a dystopian prison system because education always gets the short end of the funding stick. Schools barely have enough money to buy basic supplies for everyone (well, they don't, but teachers chip in out of their own pockets).
Any "solution" that doesn't involve training authority to figures to recognise signs of developing mental illness or distress, destigmatizing mental illness, early diversion towards meaningful help, eliminating the "kids will be kids" attitude towards bullying, and teaching young people to cultivate a state of empathy and compassion for others within themselves, is treating the symptoms while ignoring underlying causes.
The selfish leaders of the world only care about your money, not your heart... But myself and many others do! We should love and care for each other, people never realize until its too late how little time we have here. I'm going through very tough things in my head but i'm sticking in it to see what the end result will be.
A certain amount of bullying should be expected (you can't stop all of it unless you want to drive yourself mad). I think with more children being raised by single parents is part of the cause.
MrCherryzz why?
It doesn't matter if they're trained if they don't implement those teachings. I was abused, it was obvious to the teachers but they never said anything, never did anything.
@@MrCherryzz its more about non stop bullying then being a single parent
Besides being evil
Bullying can have a heavy impact on a person's life
Actually the FBI knows why it happens. They did a huge study after Columbine. They found it was very very hard to prevent and detect. We are talking about very disturbed young men who feel they have no value and no purpose so they want the notoriety of killing.
I know people hate hoplessness but it it better than irrational fear that motivates the "find a solution" PR bullshit type stuff. The summary stats we have now arn't going to cut it.
Jim Kennedy that’s sounds MGTOW? I see a misogynistic, white male who believes in patriarchy.
A NATIONAL PROSTITION ACT WOULD FIX THAT , GOVERMENT PAID HOOKERS PRESCRIBED FOR VIRGINS INSTEAD OF PHYCH MEDS BY PHCYOLGISTS
Well Jimmy didnt the Parkland shooter post a comment about shooting his school and didnt the FBI have the shooter checked out as a potential threat to his peers and yet they did squat about it and now 17 students are dead, what can you tell us about your precious FBI now Jimmy?
No Zaoy. It was the police and the school. The Obama administration had sent out a letter limiting fed funds for schools that did not improve detention and suspension rates. So neither the school nor the police filed any charges on the well over 20 times the Parkland shooter would have had charges filed. So when the background check happened there were no arrests to deny the sale. But regardless one anecdote does not make data.
Parent are the first line of defense against motivation for this kind of violence . Being present in your child’s life exposes their feelings. Being responsible for your child’s feelings and understanding them is step 1!
Scott Zino underrated comment!
So true, but many parents have problems themselves.
CD M thats true. many parents have issues and problems. Its almost like the world isnt perfect.
Dammit man. It's a tradegy that most people do not realize how to raise a kid. The man never teaches empathy, and women never encourages. I do not know how to raise a kid but Dammit I know for a fact, the healing nature of a nonjudgmental ear to listen to the real them. And caring eyes to see them. And a loving touch with intent. It just seems people are detached or seem removed.
Some of these kids problems are caused by the parents and there are no laws stopping anyone from having kids! The obvious answer to the issue is access to guns...kids shouldn't have access to guns. Reduce access to guns! (But America won't accept that, ever)
To me the answer is kind of long, of course its my perspective
The short answer is society. Many boys are raised in a way that prepares them, not to fight an unjust society, but to live and tank through it, for example, telling a kid that he shouldn't cry cause he's a boy, congrats, now your kids views the action of showing emotion like weakness. That's just the start, the second issue comes when the boy is growing, the school system prefers a stereotypical girl, that's the role model for a student in the eyes of the school system, don't move, don't shout, stay still, you can't play that it's too rough, you can't run, so the boys now are being told that the way that they wanna act by pure impulse is not only wrong, but punishable,hes also told that because he's a boy, he'll have to face some unjust stuff and just take it, like the classic "you can never hit a girl" I was taught this too and was punished when I hit a girl back after she kicked me when I was younger. The kid keeps growing, and now he notices that society is quite unfair, putting in his shoulders lots of responsabilities regarding beigg strong and brave at all times, and when he's not, society questions his manhood. The double standards, people not caring, bottled up stress cause many reasons (bullying is a good example), everything starts building up, and there comes a point when he just breaks, and that's why I think it happens (also add to that moronic teachers incapable of seeing that a kid needs help)
I'm sad more people haven't seen this. This is the main buildup, add a bad homelife and depression and isolation and you got someone who will do anything for control. The media also doesn't help with giving the shooter fame and showing pictures of them
@@theajayy2258 yup, and sadly there are also teenage girls who fall for mass shooters and serial killers
one more thing I saw was that much of the shooters were raised by single mothers without any support system like other family members etc
You are wrong. We still tell these things to our boys but we dont have problem with school shootings. No man this something that America does alone and nobody else.
@@17MrLeon you are wrong, worldwide men have a higher percentage of depression and a higher percentage of suicide rate, and by a lot, I'm not saying balance it out, cause I don't want women having the same issue, but I'm saying there are issues worldwide, men issues also stay the same in all countries (pressure and expectation) the fact that you take pride on being harsh against your boys sickens me, hopefully that'll change in the future. I'm all out for discipline, not for cruelty
I was bullied for a couple years in school. Never wanted to admit it to anyone for fear of looking weak.
Wow I totally respect his brutal honesty especially in the final moments of this clip. This is a huge problem and I think Joe is onto something with people having a lack of purpose and belonging. That is why, in my opinion, suicide in divorce is so high because people lose their purpose and identify... great discussion
From my opinion it a huge part of the problem stems from how labor is actually undervalued in out society. Be it back breaking work or just something low on the totem pole of sorts. People say stuff like go to college get an education and don't become a ditch digger and most hearing that would agree. But I don't because actual work being done is something that is needed and really seems to reached such a point that in sort of job the top tends to get rewarded when they succeed but when they fail it is usually those at the bottom who will ever feel anything and suffere from it. Which then leads to people feeling that they are nothing and worthless almost since society reinforces that through stuff like that line about college I mentioned above. That's not to speak I'll about educational and educating ones self but at the same time the constant societal reinforcement of one being nothing if they are are not on top or can just as easily be expendable to whomever they work for. Which then Hurts people the most when it just happens to them without realizing it and such. Of which much of this can be extrapolated to a bunch of there things in anxiety as well I would think.
Some people just want to live simple lives where they work a 9 to 5 job hopefully making enough to support their families then coming home and spending nights and weekends with said family or friends enjoying what could even be said to be a quaint live. And there is really nothing wrong with that but much of society is poo pooing that. Making far to many feel and live outside their means to possibly live to the standards many belive they should some for. So really if labor was less demonized I would feel it would cascade to many other things and then make much of everything better more sonic people were instead accept the value of it and how much it is actually necessary for the world to actually go round.
Maybe the internet is bad for people. Everything starts to feel pointless when you can look up someone who has already done everything you dream of doing. You can find the answer to any question you have. You can see everything. Not to mention to a young mind others lifes look perfect online and makes your life look like crap.
@Tom H
Nah, they just provide relief for people who already have depression.
T P good point!
DSD Divorce?? Naw,,, people are just horn dogs and don’t know themselves and think it’s a badge get or give herpes
“I don’t understand how they could do that.”
Pretty simple 5-step process.
1.) You’re a weird kid. You were always aware you never fit in, but couldn’t understand how to relate to people. Some of them go out of their way to treat you like shit, while the others mostly think you’re ‘the weird kid.’ You never particularly wanted to be with any of them anyway, because none of them seemed to think like you did, but their maltreatment makes you start to hate them.
2.) This social isolation wouldn’t bother you as much if you weren’t also desperate for a girl, getting pathetic crushes with no chance of panning out, because you aren’t attractive or cool enough. This is hard to cope with as a teenage boy, and leads to self-loathing and anger.
3.) You don’t feel like you’re good at anything in particular, have no real passions, and no idea what you want to do with your life. While others kids are going out and having the time of their life, or accomplishing crazy things like becoming famous musicians, or working towards passions they’ve had all their life, you’ve mostly wasted your life playing video games in your room. You know you’re wasting your life, but can’t rip yourself away from them, as they’re the only satisfying thing in your life. You know you’re smarter than a lot of people, and could do so much more than what you’re doing right now. You’re better than those fucking normal, boring kids.
4.) You see all these school shooters in the news. You see the media demonizing them, but can’t help but see them in yourself. You see them as heroes. You start fantasizing about what it would be like. All at once, you get to blow away all those fucking people you’ve hated all your life, and become a legend. You wonder how many people you can kill, how you’ll do it, what it’ll feel like. You start letting people know your thoughts, and how people are going to take you and what you say seriously. You imagine what the media around you will be like. You’ll get his crazy sense of importance and meaning in your life that feels more serious and fulfilling than any other petty bullshit people think you ought to do. Because you’re a teenager with tunnel vision, you don’t have a good concept of risk vs. reward, the pettiness of your problems in comparison to what the future holds, or the idea that anything could get better without you needing to do something so drastic.
5.) You start making plans.
Jesse Bogdonoff Good for you man.
Ian Gregory really hope things get better for you dude, wherever you are right now and whatever grade you’re in you gotta remember that things will get better
@Ian Gregory high school is nothing like real life adulthood, and it's only temporary, i promise. Your whole life starts AFTER HS! Hang in there❤
The FBI wants to know your location
Jesus Christ "I have no skills I suck" also this same kid "I'm smarter, better, and funnier than all those other kids cause I'm special. Whiny bullshit.
Joe R. has had his podcast since 2009. It's 2020. I have years of information to catch up on. Love this podcast!
I was the smelly, ugly, unkempt kid from elementary to high school. I felt like I had the invisible mark of identification that meant I was undeserving. But I was okay with that, my reasoning was I was a first generation foreigner who had no freaking clue what it meant to ‘fit in’, and I don’t blame my parents either because they were to caught up on trying to survive. I viewed as ‘they’re supposed to hate me, I’m visibly different, and the teachers can only do so much’. I only lashed out to people who thought it was amusing to mock me, like literally making sure I’ve isolated them from the crowd they fed off and wanted a direct confrontation. Murder was far from my mind, I just wanted to get away from the schooling system. I do kind of sympathize with the white kids who couldn’t use my excuse, especially if they did not have parents who loved them. I don’t think this is a gun issue, but there’s way too many moving parts. I’m convinced there are some very intelligent people who probably who have a good grasp at addressing this, but there’s too much noise going on to hear them. It’s never okay to assault people out of a wounded ego, I don’t condone that
I dont agree with the generational argument. Look at what motivates people who shoot up their workplace. The motivations are similar and this has been going on for a while and will continue to go on.
Feeling and being shit-on for years causes some pretty nasty problems, regardless of who you are. Go figure.
I was bullied over the course of the summer working at my school. I don't care about verbal stuff. I can handle verbal abuse. After a month of these two upper classmen twice my height bullying me verbally they decided to become physical. I may not react to verbal harassment. But you can't control a reaction to physical violence. They choked me, pushed me in walls, lockers, sprayed cleaners on me staining my clothes. Everytime I went home i had to make up an excuse to why I looked so screwed up. "I tripped and hit my face" or "I accidentally stained the hell out of my clothes accidentally." I did these because only b***** did that right? These seniors took time out of their shifts to walk around the school find me and hurt me. This went on for about a month until one day they asked me to help move a ladder and I entered the room and slipped. They poured cleaner on the floor. The bigger one stood me up and said "Listen here bitch, were going to break your fucking arm watch you scream and you can't tell because we're going to make you a cripple if you do." The bigger one had me in a choke hold and asked the other one to hand him a drywall scraper. He cut my head for about 5 seconds before I ran away to a bathroom. I cried and screamed as I pulled out a clump of my own hair and got a bald spot all bloody. I called my mom and told her everything. She told the school at which point they were fired but not even expelled because their parents were in the staff. I wanted to kill them. Bring a knife and stab one of them. To make them feel the pain I felt. I haven't done this yet but I struggle with this temptation to kill them every day. OK SORRY FOR RANTING THIS LONG but if you guys readed this feel free to comment your story's. You people are not alone. Don't do something that would put you on the headlines. Stay strong
“I haven’t done this yet” - yikes.
When a kid is so bullied that they feel they have no hope, there is no way they can escape or make their environment better for them they believe the only way of making it stop is ending the others lives
Come to Greece to see what bullying means. Even the teachers here abuse kids mentally and physically but not shootings at all.
@@SeamanGR what do you mean? How are kids abused by teachers in Greece?
Maybe most of them are bullied to the point they hated everyone so much including themselves that they see this as the only way to get justice and end their pain?
Possibly. :-/
@Peace Frog Interesting way of looking at it. I think the issue is even at a lower level then cultural; selfishness in the human psyche which ultimately translates into culture.
2:20 Yes this is a solution but isn't it weird that we have to treat schools like a prison? I live in the Netherlands and none of the schools I ever went to had security.
And I'm sure your government has done a much better job of handling mental health in your nation. There's a lot of challenges for a rapidly growing and already large nation. We're currently working on a reactionary basis instead of looking to fix our health issues before people start dying. All this to say, it's complex and a blanket solution isn't always the right fix. But, in the time between the introduction of the problem and the solution, you've got to come up with some temporary bandaid patch fix. Right now it's to stop the killing and work on the long road of mental health.
VALSGARDE gaming yeah possibly mental health is cared for better in the netherlands. However, you can‘t count the guns out of the equation. you have no access to guns like that in europe. you just don‘t. Don’t let the mentally harmed kids buy weapons AND fix their mental health. thats the way to go.
@@TheQuantixXx neither children nor mentally ill people can purchase guns in america, and if a sick person is determined to do harm they will just use whatever they can. Ban guns and people will use kinves or something.
@@piked774 and if they use knives than number of deaths will probably decrease so u have already made improvement. u didnt solved it but u made it a little bit better
Its the ease of access to the guns in America. There are more guns than people, somebody recently wrote 339 million guns but i didnt verify that. Kids cannot buy guns but the parents that own guns have to be responsible and educate safety. Plus recognizing if someone is a loose cannon and minimizing their access to weapons. If a parent has guns and they notice their child is depressed or angry they really need to be the first step in keeping everyone safe and that is one thing we seriously lack as a gun society.
My son had issues just like we all did growing up,except i know it was tough on him because me and his mom separated.By the time he got to high school,his grades were lacking and his moral was down which concerned me.I took him to counseling and within the first meeting they already wanted to put him on medication.I was hesitant because i read into all the crazy side effects,but i love my son i just wanted to see him in a better place.Within a week or so of him taking the medication he told me he wasn't feeling right,i stopped the medication on the spot.That was 3 years ago,he's 18 now and doing much better without any medication .Yea he dropped out of school which i am not to happy about,but he's in a better place and doing a lot better.My son is a smart kid,he never ran with a bad crowd or did any drugs,he's just anti-social and needs to learn how to get over it which he is little by little.He actually has a good job in construction making good money and a girlfriend which actually made a positive difference in his life..
And that's why your kid didnt shoot up a school you were/are a real parent and cared about what your kid was going through. Although he didnt do what you thought he would it was with your help and care that he has turned into a successful human being. So congratulations on a job well done. I say this in all seriousness and with no pun or joking intended.
My best friend, church-goer, nicest man I've ever met was diagnosed with neuropathy in his feet. So, he takes Lipitor, an anti-steroid to help with neuropathy. Well, Lipitor affects nerves and slows their reactions, and it messes with my friend's mind. It gives him thoughts of suicide and murder vividly for 1 hour a day. He told the doctor, and they simply increased his MGs...
After research, I gave him medical marijuana and he feels better, no longer takes Lipitor, no longer has bad thoughts.
*i'm glad you saw the signs and took action. These medications are NOT safe*
Ive stopped taking medication that made me feel way off. Brand and dosage effect everyone differently and the doctors basically take a guess on both. So you may have to try different prescriptions. That said, its just a tool to use to get you where you need to be. No pill in the world can replace a caring and engaging parent.
Something very wrong with a country that even has to consider having a security force at a fkn elementary school.
Charles Bolduc f living in usa
rather than a padlock on a gun cabinet
Something very right with a country that hasn't had an authoritarian kill thousands of his own people in the history of the country.
Yes second amendment is the mvp and an equalizing force
@@lmaolmfao3611 um thousands die of gun violence every year lol.
Albeit not strictly from the government but plenty from the police sure.
@@dougbrown6952 those are nothing.
And again those who have died from authoritarians are in hundreds of millions
I could listen to Andy speak for hours. Not sure what it is or why but he's easy to listen to. Smart, articulate and not afraid to admit when he doesn't know, or have the answer for, something.
Everyone's talking no one's listening.
This is one wise dude!
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marylin manson said the same thing after columbine.. same thing
In my opinion Columbine caused a chain reaction. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold paved the way.
Up until about 3-4 years ago, the media & news constantly gave the name(notoriety) to the offenders-terrorists. Now 2019 TV news & print media avoid names.
It was basically the first. Something happened in the 90s where culture shifted. When you look at the pop culture and media of the 90s its all about hollow consumerism, nihilism and depression. Thats where the emo culture comes from. Thats where the stereotype of the troubled teenager comes from.
@@DavidLLambertmobile Your joking right?
When I was in high school 1984/1988. We had a class called “Current World Events” we talked about whatever was in the news. We talked about suicide bombers in Palestine. The general consensus was, How bad must your life be, that you think a suicide vest is your best choice. Now in 2019 less than a month from 2020 and now are children are so desperate for change why? Lack of Jobs, Lack of OPPORTUNITY, is it A Lack of empathy? Now if you want to be part of helping stop school shootings. It’s not taking guns away. We ALL need to slow down and take the time to care about are fellow humans. Basic Income, Lower the cost of housing, raise wages, free healthcare, free food. Yes basic needs are met. We fight for money and food, shelter, we will do anything to feed are children. If all those basic needs are met. People have time to reflect, become peaceful, learn to share, become compassionate. It when humans have had this is why we have museums full of art, literature, and Romance...Smoke Weed! It brings out creativity. It makes you calm. We ALL have to work hard for change. “People fall apart” because they are so desperate for a few dollars for food, and where will I sleep tonight? If I had to deal with that, I would not make it. We need to bring home jobs and futures hear in the U.S.A. Loose the tyrannical government and start over. We can no longer spend, and spend Billions on military might abroad, when children go hungry here in the USA. Face it we lost the war to see who sells oil to Turkey and Eastern Europe. 20 years in the Middle East, and the Taliban is still in control in Afghanistan and nothing to show but dead people. Follow the money trail. We All Have Been Lied to too many times. ✌️ before profits.
R u a socialist
Parts of the problem include (but not limited to): not being taught coping skills, crappy/abusive/big mouth/lack of caring or noticing parents (pick one or more), mental illness, bullying, lack of help at school from faculty or staff, and a couple more that I forgot. When the staff and/or faculty stopped backing the kid who had enough and stood up to his/her bully, that caused a lot of issues.
Some kids get bullied for years, and snap. some commit suicide, some kill. either way they made the choice to stop it.
society needs to intervene before that.
I agree, the “something is wrong with everyone and give everyone a pill” is the biggest problem. Talking to at risk kids and discouraging bullying, you know, making them feel like someone cares, would be a big help in stopping these school shootings. I’m guessing that all of these kids would say they never felt heard.
Most school are giving out the message that “they care” already. But some dont put their words into action. Or if they do, its only to save face and doesnt get down to the root of the problem. Its discouraging. Even more so because its going from high to low. Do it only a few times and trust is broken. But thats just for now. Hopefully it gets better in the future.
Nobody every questions the kids that bullied the school shooter into committing the act.
It’s ridiculous.
Parents of the shooter should be questioned as well, nobody turns into a mass murderer without being influenced by the people who raised them.
RockyMarsh09 that’s a good statement.
Mentally stable and healthy people do not start killing others, when exposed to this kind of triggers. I agree that bulling is bad and should be exposed, but it's not like you can bully every person into committing this kind of act.
@@ph0ib0s1 It's almost like that kind of constant bullying *causes* people to no longer be "mentally stable and healthy" sometimes.
@Charlie Keiner What's your point, though? Some, but not all? Yeah, we know that already. Doesn't excuse bullying, we should still strive to end it. Otherwise, you're part of the problem for hand-waving it away as a non-issue.
I live in Europe, and I was accused of bullying someone that straight up made his story up trying to hide/explain the problems he had within his family, and even though there was neither evidence nor anything else, the designated teacher took it completely serious. After about three months after a lot of talks I apologized even though I didnt feel as if I intentionally harmed anybody and we both went our way
Compared to the 50's, 60's and 70's single-parent homes are now the norm, rather than the exception. In addition, mental hospitals and facilities have all but closed down, leaving us all at the mercy of whatever meds these children are prescribed, that's if they don't do more harm then good and that's even if the child is taking them at all. Most of these serious school shootings were done by children with significant mental issues. Issues known...but not taken seriously and little if anything is ever done. Adam Lanza (Newtown CT), James Holmes (Aurora CO) and Nikolas Cruz (Parkland FL) are prime examples. So mentally unstable pre/post-teens, on meds, the majority growing up in single-parent homes add in access to guns and you just lit the match.
introduction of "no fault" divorce. 70% of divorces are initiated by women. 80% when the woman is college educated. feminism spread the idea that women can always do better, and they are marrying way too late, having babies way too late and when they do, they usually ditch the husband for a richer or hotter guy, creating fragmented homes. i blame feminism for much of this. i get that women wanted to work, make equal pay, etc, but we've destroyed the male-female dynamic and nuclear family and now our kids are fucked up as a result. social media isn't helping.
Micrococks and their bald noise.
Are you an idiot? "These schools shootings are happening because we don't have these women barefoot and pregnant at 19!"
Hahaha, OP speaks truth about the current family dynamics in the West and is met with reeeing, whataboutism, and shaming language.
Not one counter-argument in sight.
These known mental issues are taken seriously by police, they just can't do anything about it. They can still go buy guns even if the police know they're dangerous.
Three main factors are the decadence of parenting and family life, bullying and school's unwillingness to do anything about it. Here's the usual story.
- A kid grows up in an unsafe or unstable household, usually with a divorced single parent who is not fit to care for the kid but gets the custody anyway. Or gets super helicopter-parented
- Doesn't learn the social skills needed to make friends and becomes the "weird kid"
- If the home is abusive, violent tendencies start to develop
- Kid gets bullied and physically assaulted constantly
- School doesn't give a shit
- Kid lashes out at a bully who is one of the popular kids (this is more than often the case, but not always)
- School suddenly starts to give a shit and the kid gets told that it's "toxic masculinity" or "anger issues"
- Kid gets even more depressed and bullying intensifies when the bullies realize they can get away with it
- Kid knows that there are guns at home and there's nothing left to lose
- Decides to kill himself (or herself) and take those bastard bullies with him.
- Kid shoots up the school
Then people start squabbling about gun laws while this same story starts to repeat again. School shootings are a symptom of a sick society. And I'm not sure if there is a cure to that sickness.
Does your story only happen to America children?
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@@proprietarysonics3723 Happens in other countries, but mostly in AMERICA
That's wild. Have you ever done DMT.
Good one. Original af
The machine elves sent me here
That was hilarious 🙄
Bullying is a real thing that can push a kid to the edge
try getting multiple people to doit at differant stages and locations over a week or so then there ya go oh and not caring for someones people in danger and letting them get rekt etc
*"I feel like a lot of people are talking, I don't think anybody is listening"*
Well said. Every position on trying to prevent school shootings is set in the trench of either the left or right, we need to start having a conversation not about the 2nd amendment, but about mental health
@Lady Mercy 🤦🏽♀️ clearly you don’t have kids, peoples children are dying dude. It is not about having a bleeding heart, it’s about giving a shit about these kids and their safety.
Not to long ago the 1# trending videos was a video about loneliness. That just tells where our society is.
My H.S had metal detectors and X-ray scanners as well as armed police officer due to gang violence. I felt safer in school than outside of school where gang driveby’s was the norm smh
Lmfao I feel safe around gang members then Cops
We didn’t have metal detectors, but we did have gang squad in my high school, because we had two rival neighborhoods/ gangs that would tear the place down the first part of every year.
The only way to stop these kids from escalating is to secure the schools. This could be via metal detectors, officers, etc, but if we don’t start with security, then it’s only going to continue.
“But that would make the school feel like a prison!!” or something like that. I’d rather a school feel a little like a prison than have a bunch of dead kids, but maybe that’s just me.
Will Perkins yeah but only for a split second , just like a court house . Lol this was Chicago by the way !! Smh so you could imagine how bad the youth and gun problem was and still is
M Luck two rivals ! We had Folks Vs people’s here in Chicago it was like 10 different gangs gunning at each other not to mention the infighting within themselves smh
Coming from somebody who was maliciously bullied for years, attempted suicide, and has felt what I can only assume as pure, unhindered malice (for lack of better vocabulary) towards the rest of the human race, those thoughts are one of the darkest places the human mind can go. I suffer from various mental health illnesses and it is very comforting to see more and more conversations on the topic. It takes years and years of work and baby steps and mistakes to gain the tools to deal with the chaos that is the human brain. I am lucky to have made it to where I am today, and my journey isn't even over yet. If I didn't have the willpower to make it at least to the next day in hopes of it being better, I know for a fact I would have become one of those statistics
“No real way to stop this” - says only country where this regularly happens
Couldnt agree more andy. Theres no actual motivation to prevent these shootings just people shouting at each other
I’m high af
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Lee Mowat ha nice 💨 blow on brother, let the wind flow through your hair man. 🌈🌈😤🌪🌬
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Did you bring enough to share with the class?
The Scranton Strangler well its the internet, not like hes typing an essay, even non stoners type like that.
I’ve watched several of JR’s conversations with this guy. If you haven’t watched them, do it. Dude is sharp as a razor.
There are cases of bullying going on for years. Can you imagine being the akward skinny kid with anxieties in a school full of bigger, stronger kids who casually decide to make your live hell to boost their own fragile egos?
Not to long ago there was a case where a bunch of bullies set a students books and backpack on fire.
Then there are beatings, intimidation so and social isolation.
No one wants to hang out with a kid that is being bullied out of fear that they fall down the social food chain in the school.
If that happens to you for years and you have no one to share your pain with of course you will get violent.
I'm not saying it is justified, but it is not hard to understand why someone would do it.
Then my public school teacher sister has the audacity to claim homeschooled kids aren't properly socialized as if the kind of socialization kids get in public school is freaking healthy
I feel like the rise in medication is due to the rise in stress and hopelessness.
merlinious01
In the end it’s just symptoms of the downfall of western civilization
The United States Of America just like in Rome
The FDA doesn't test these drugs for long term use it's only a few months.
2:50
The 17 year old isn’t looking for a solution. The 17 year old is looking for the death and suffering of others; they’re looking for revenge.
You arent exactly setting yourself up to understand a mental health predicament very well
Well we did try to have a conversation, Marco Rubio and Dana Loesch were booed off stage, harassed and insulted while trying to have a legitimate open dialogue. It's hard to come to an agreement when the other side sits there, plugs there ears and says it's their way or nothing at all.
YES. After awhile, you Realize that THESE Cretins Are NOT INTERESTED IN ANY SORT of Compromise, OR Actually Addressing the TRUE CAUSE. And that is WHY we are headed for Civil War.
and the right doesn't plug their ears quoting the 2nd Amendment repeatedly ad nauseam?
Yes, because we KNOW beyond a shadow of doubt what it's REALLY About, and we're not HAVING It anymore. Give an Inch, you Take a Mile. NO MORE INCHES, or Free Lunches on the matter.@@RoninDave
@@jimnickles2347 you're Exhibit A as to the problem why civil rational discussion cannot take place
Yup. I'm sick of Hearing the lies, and the Treason, so I don't respond well at all. Time to SETTLE It.@@RoninDave
I live in Chicago, had Chicago Police as our security guards. There was shooting usually gang related and happened outside of school campus not indoors
There’s so many theories on how to fix mass shootings but not gang violence. Idk how you would fix it either cause most of it is revenge for a family member that resembles something like “You killed my cousin imma kill you”
You gotta teach kids to punch the bully right in the face rather than shoot them...
The problem is if you fight back you generally get in more trouble than the bully.
Truth but as the person below said. Usually you still get in trouble it's not right.
And then get stomped out cause the bully is probably bigger than you
@@saifkhan1822 So?
Okay look, i live in eastern europe and its probably a lot different but listen now. If bullies are fucking with you and making jokes about you start doing the same. Show confidense and start fucking with them. You must trigger them as much as you can and embarras them in fron of the class. At some point they will try to fight you. Dont worry about iy because the fight wont be longer than a minute. You should just start hitting them like crazy and shit to scare them. Even if you get beatun up its not gonna be that bad because a teacher will probably come. Then they will get in trouble because they attacked you. If you actually do this be careful outside of school because they can jump you or something.
11:05 SPOT ON : "We have a mental health crisis disguised as a gun crisis"
telling a mental health professional that you have world-burning rage is like telling a cop who just pulled you over that you've got a gun; a very good chance it will not proceed well for you from there
100%. they're there to protect society. even if it's at your expense.
should'nt you inform the cop that you have a gun on you though? pretty sure it would go a lot better if you were just upfront and honest
@@Tipperito legally yes, does it always go down well? I don't think so
@@Lastprogramer well that ofcourse depends on two things, the type of cop, and the way you state to the cop that you have a gun and the way you move in general around the cop, best move in my opinion is to just be as transparent as possible and move calmly, dont make sudden moves that might make a new rookie cop think you are reaching for a gun
Telling the cop you have a gun is literally the first thing you do when you get pulled over you dolt
Control the location?? It’s a school!! If you live in a place where you need high security in a school then your problem is not security.
Yeah since you know security better than a retired Navy SEAL and combat veteran. 😂
It is to control access. Many schools have too many access points which makes it nearly impossible to secure them.
Joe " I understand correlation doesn't equal causation, but...." Rogan
I would like a documentary that explores the lives of school shooters and how they came to be that person. Which could help understand the mental health severity problem.
Andy is just the kind of person you'd want in your armed forces.
One of the most battle-capable people in the US, yet also incredibly aware and rational.
It's a shame that the higher-ups often don't seem this measured.
@Jack-Rhion Turner Of course they have different goals. They do different things. If politicians were as measured as Andy, the nightly news would look a whole lot different.
First watched joe rogan from netflix when he was talking about him being stoned and talking to dolphins.. now im here with his podcast and just enjoying civil conversations... no anger no negativity.. anyway great seeing him here on ytube reeeee
he's got good points regarding 1) location and 2) motivation. and definitely we have too much polarization of people on the left and right, either banning/keeping guns, without actually addressing the whole problem. gotta look at the shooter, the factors leading to those decisions, either social, psychological, financial, or economical, and find systemic ways to solve them
His initial point was dumb as shit. How many shootings where the president's kids go? That's 1 school. 99% of schools have never had a school shooting. And putting secret service at every school is not remotely feasible.
@@davidthomas7465 you missed his point then. He was just talking about security measures that schools could take and I'm sure if you looked at the schools that have that level of security, there would be less school shootings. Anyways, he said later on that stopping shootings at schools wouldn't solve the school shooting problem, it would just change the address. He is not advocating for more security at schools and mentions that it would be extremely costly.
It’s much simpler than Americans will admit. Mental Health is a difficult subject to understand, work with and fix irrespective of age. What is simple is removing the tools they use to vent their anger, guns.
It will be argued by Americans that guns are necessary and that it’s the shooter problem not a gun problem but every western country has the same mental health difficulties that those children committing the mass shootings have. The difference is that we don’t have the guns and don’t have the same mass shootings.
In terms of the kids you’ve got to look at how they learn and who has the biggest influence on them, that’s generally the parents. If the parents own guns, if the parents believe they have a right to use those guns to protect themselves against those that have wronged them, why are people surprised that their children use those guns to against those that they perceive as having wronged them?!
@Troll Hunter and are those knife attacks as deadly as shootings? also if u compare USA and Europe(Double the population of USA) i think USA is still winning in schoolshootings
@Troll Hunter i think banning all weapons is stupid idea. i think stricter regulation and deglorification of gun culture would work much better. but i have no idea how to aproach the second point so i would start with stricter regulation.
This was such a well balanced and instructive conversation.
I wish more Americans had the ability to sit and hear each other out about these issues.
there’s so many different little things that add up to the outcome. single mothers, depression numbers rising, guns being bought so easily, etc. it’s a disaster waiting to happen when a young man goes into school to get bullied, gets home and sees people with perfect lives on instagram - comparing it to his, along with gun access. 🤷🏽♂️
I absolutely agree that you can't use something you don't have, but access has decreased while school shootings have skyrocketed. If anything there's a negative relationship there. Even if you totally remove firearms (which average perhaps a dozen deaths across most of these things) the same hours of practice and planning put into several backpack bombs could readily kill hundreds. It's easier to assemble a bomb than learn how to be effective under pressure with a firearm. Assuming the trend continues for decades to come, 20 people motivated to massacre their classmates every year turns into hundreds, perhaps thousands. Successfully stop the explosive element and the same sick kids could cook up ricin in their kitchen, or buy a ceramic knife off amazon, or smear transdermal mercury they produced for $40 with instructions off google on doorknobs.. If the primary preventative focus is on removing the tool that's currently in vogue, we aren't changing the underlying issue. We have to address the social and psychological problems that turn kids into mass killers.
You have to be 18 to buy a long gun and 21 to buy a handgun from an ffl. What this means is that kids don't have access to a large marketplace to buy guns. They'd have to have a family member who would be complicit, already have guns, or go the black market route.🤦♂️
I grew up in an incredibly abusive environment. I was ignored by my parents, my best friend in the third grade drowned (became brain-dead and died), when I was 9 I was almost killed by a car while riding my bike to school (literally over a mountain, every day) and couldn’t walk for months afterwards - only drag myself around on the floor. My parents divorced when I was 7, after screaming at each other for months while my dad called my mother "stupid" and "whore" repeatedly. I was sent from school to school, for a total of 25 schools by the time I was 15-years-old. Ultimately my parents threw me away and I was institutionalized for years, sent into foster care, boys schools, residential treatment facilities, group homes and subsequently spent time in juvenile hall in five counties - once for over 100 days, wherein I escaped on day 100 then ultimately turned myself in two weeks later after a meeting with my mother (and probation officer) to discuss giving the nightmarish place they were about to send me to a "chance". Afterwards, at the age of 14, I was sent to the aforementioned hellhole (where the most troubled, abused children were sent) for almost a year, where I was once chained to a pole from my waist and shackled at the feet for about two months. I was released into my fathers care soon after my 15th birthday, and was thrown out of the house 10 months later. Before leaving "home", I studied and passed my final high school exams on my own. Soon after my 16th birthday I was finally left alone; emancipated, living in an apartment by myself, working and going to school.
The emotional suffering I went through was so horrific, that at times I felt like I was literally insane from all of the pain and rage. Long story here, I know... I’m getting to my point, I swear. The thing is, that throughout all of this, I never wanted to kill a bunch of strangers. There were plenty of people I wanted to hurt, but they were all people I knew... who desperately deserved it. But I never wanted anyone dead - I wanted to beat them with my fucking hands, but never, ever dead. I was in many, many fights, but I took most of my rage into the gym, on the track, and into the boxing ring. I’m in my 40’s now, a firefighter, I work with Search & Rescue, and I complete (and win) in bodybuilding. I don’t understand what is driving the younger generations to suicide and murder, other than general weakness and an intolerance for a bit of old fashioned discomfort, pain and suffering - the kind that builds strength and character, certainly not the extreme crap I had to endure.
glo brain wow just....wow
glo brain I think the last part is the issue. The part about the pain building character, yeah they can’t handle that for some reason.
@@tvhead7074 They seem to not be able to handle any sort of discomfort, whatsoever.
Yeah but like the opposite side of the coin in your expirence someone could come from a fully love & cared for & of well mannered respectable parents ,genes & family upbringing but still have that disconnection or lack of character from so much exterior stimuli just drowning under it while other rise above. In my opinion the only way i see to help not fix cause i dont see a permanent fix to mental illness is have a national mandatory psych evaluation just like an eye exam when u renew your licenses .not explaining it properly dont have the time but think about how astronauts get the proper psych help to keep them composed for their career & duties .now even then we will have a few nutty ones but i can see an overall acknowledgement & steps to hinder it more than let it run rampant like now .
First of all respect.
Yeah the point is life throws you into some shit.
Some people try to endure and learn from it, others will always just pity themselves and get angry.
I learned this lesson in my 20's.
I am now grateful for everything I have been through, the past made me the strong person I am today.
If any shit goes south now, I don't even bother, I focus on the solution and just roll with it.
There will always happen something, if a friend dies, just be happy for all the time you could spend together instead of pitying him, yourself and his family.
This literally is life, it is supposed to happen so why not accept it.
If I got cancer tomorrow I wouldn't cry.
It happens all the time, so why would I curse the gods and fall in depression then?
I'd rather be happy the time I got left and plan on completing my bucket list.
Just few examples, it's about the mindset.
I respect this dude since he decided NOT to stay down, he decided NOT to be controlled by his past, he accepted his challenges, the pain and decided to move on and live his life how he wants and be happy
Whenever the CDC talked about studying gun violence it died in committee. This is why there is no long term comprehensive study that's not substantially biased. Gun lobbyist don't really want the debate. Any restriction hurts their bottomline.
As far as the shooters go.These people see themselves as alienated so they feel no connection to their victims when they go off. These aren't their classmate these are their enemies. The amount of school counselors and nurses in school have gone down throughout the years so we have fewer stop gaps.
As far as medication I'm not sure if there has been a study that has said whether or not they took medication. I know Eliot Roger refused to take his Doctor's requests under advisement. The shooter at the Community College in Washington was most likely somewhere on the spectrum with a mother on the spectrum. And the Virginia Tech shooter refused to follow Doctor's orders as well.
A lot of them have had inflated sense of self and feel entitled to relationships without doing the work. Their low social skills prevent them from have relationships and their inflated sense of self prevents them from seeing their own flaws. You can't change if you can't acknowledge your own shortcomings.
I think a lot of kids have not been taught to cope with stress so things go awry quickly. Not all these shooters were poor little victims either. One of the shooters in Texas killed a girl because she refused to go out with him. He did a lot of creepy stuff to her and until she told him to knock it off publicly. He was incensed. He never saw the girl as a person to begin just something he wanted. He lacked empathy to begin with. This is a problem with a lot of incels. They can't woo who they want so they lash out. They don't work on not being likeable.
"Whenever the CDC talked about studying gun violence it died in committee. This is why there is no long term comprehensive study that's not substantially biased. Gun lobbyist don't really want the debate. Any restriction hurts their bottomline."
False - the CDC is able to study gun violence and has. The reason the CDC lost 'some of it's funding' was because the original statisticians and persons running the CDC were heavily biased against guns and provided stats that were horribly misleading making the CDC more of a partisan group. As a result, they had specific funding stripped. With that said, they are allowed to study gun violence at any time, but cannot use financial resources to create a subjective narrative. IE. Study it, gather the results, and provide to everyone objectively. Very much like how the FBI does it's stats. Just publishes objective stats publicly and allows anyone to come in and use them.
I've never seen this guest, but seems like a very bright and smart person. Enjoyed listening to him 👍
One of the best discussions on your show 👍
If people you were stuck around at a young vulnerable emotional age made your life a daily suffering so badly that you felt so hopeless that your only real release from the torment was ending your life,
Is it really that hard to understand that you might want to take out the people who have bullied you to suicide?
@MrTron What? You can have all the luxuries in the world and still be depressed. A lot of shooters are mentally ill and have been bullied as a consequence. A lot of shooters havn't been bullied but are depressed along with having other mental illnesses and twisted views of the world around them. The world is not black and white...
@MrTron Dylan Klebold..
0kissMYbASS you’re fucked up. Fantasizing shooting another person. Now I’ve had that about members of isis ya know the terrorist organization that raped tortured and murders innocent people. Not some person who call you a fag..this world is so messed up and thin skinned
0kissMYbASS I was bullied so I manned up and went to the gym. Don’t be a little boy. Killing is for mindless fools
You dont even hear about the bullies being shot a lot of the victims in these shootings are innocent classmates..
We need to all be strapped and ready for the smoke bro
Real shit nigga
Stay with the loaded .40 Cal. Got to out here
Before entering school on the first day of the school year every kid should get to choose his weapon of choice from a weapons locker located somewhere in the school to defend himself with for the year.
lol why don't other countries require 6 year olds to be strapped?
@@Nebs1 They soft as baby shit.
I'm a great grandmother now and I've had an amazing life but I've also had a lot of tragedy that would send most people over the edge including myself at times I didn't know if I was going to come back. But like man I have been to 123 seconds where I've experienced total absolute clarity. I have found that very few people get to experience that feeling of absolute clarity. When we as a people can learn to stopping talking about the problem and focus collectively on solutions with the idea that we will find the conclusion.. When people listen that doesn't mean they've heard and until they've heard because they were listening only then can people make a clear concise decision.
We need to start holding bullies accountable, I dropped out of school myself because of bullying. I remember it like it was yesterday, the guy even used to be my best friend until he decided that it would be better to start bullying me day in and day out, every fucking day, harsh bullying, guy would Insult me publicly, call me everything but a white boy, while everyone else just looked on and did nothing. I took it to the school staff and told them, they did nothing other than say stand up for yourself. Guess what I did, I got my ass kicked in front of my whole neighborhood as they came outside to watch this fight cheering on the bully, I lost and the bullying continued, and as you can imagine only got worse, he would spit on me, throw things at me, threaten to kill me, all while his friends laughed in amusement.The guy also lived next door mind you so there was never any getting away even when I wasn't at school. I never did anything to this guy other than tell him to keep his dogs out of my trash that we would put out on the curb. Nobody did anything to help me, they would just look on like spectators at a show amused by the punishment I would receive. I fantasised about cutting his throat all the time, sticking a gun in his mouth and blowing his brains out of the top of his skull. I obviously never did anything, but what really killed me deep inside is the fact that people defended him as if he was in the right, while I would literally just try to stay invisible as possible, I wouldn't even speak his name *literally* that is what killed me inside the most.
Sorry that happened to you and that no one would do anything. How long has it been since you've seen or heard from this bully?
Maybe you should have.
@@opensourceecon should have what? Done something foolish?
Joe Rogan solution: Hook up the school water system with DMT
If the person was not celebritized by the media there would be much less incentive for them.
Why is it Joe Rogan podcast is one of the only places to find common Sense talk and solutions. The media ,politicians and more need to learn from people like this
Common sense is different for everyone you know....like hitler had a different one, not sure we can find truth in common sense