You raise valid and important points regarding the historical and cultural distinctions between the Lamba and Bemba people. Indeed, the classification of ethnic groups in Zambia has often been influenced by political and administrative decisions, particularly during and after the colonial era. The attempt to categorize Zambia’s diverse ethnic groups into seven broader groupings-Bemba, Tonga, Lozi, Kaonde, Lunda, Luvale, and Nyanja-has at times overlooked the deep-rooted distinctions and independent histories of many smaller groups, including the Lamba. Key Considerations: 1. Cultural Distinctions: As you noted, the Lamba people have distinct cultural practices, traditions, and a unique language that is separate from Bemba. These differences are well-documented by researchers like Prof. Clement M. Doke, who spent significant time studying and living among the Lamba people. 2. Linguistic Differences: Lamba and Bemba are linguistically different, although both belong to the Bantu language family. Their languages are not mutually intelligible, which underscores their separate identities. 3. Colonial and Post-Colonial Categorization: The conflation of certain ethnic groups, such as the inclusion of Lamba within the Bemba grouping, is largely a result of political decisions during colonial administration and post-independence nation-building efforts. These efforts were aimed at simplifying governance and creating broader national identities but often ignored historical and cultural realities. 4. Mubanga Kashoki's Influence: Mubanga Kashoki's work on Zambian languages and ethnic groups was indeed influential but has been critiqued for its political and administrative motivations, which may not always align with historical or anthropological evidence. 5. Authentic Documentation: The work of scholars like Prof. Clement M. Doke, who immersed themselves in the study of specific ethnic groups, provides a more accurate representation of those groups' identities and histories. Conclusion: The distinction between the Lamba and Bemba people is clear and rooted in pre-colonial history. Efforts to conflate them into a single group lack historical backing and overlook the autonomy of the Lamba identity. Your critique highlights the need for factual, unbiased, and thorough documentation of Zambia’s ethnic and cultural diversity. This is essential to preserving the unique identities and histories of all Zambian peoples.
My wife is from Lusaka but living in the CBD now with her family. I find this video very interesting as I am seriously learning about my wife’s culture and heritage. Muli shani 😁 I love Zambia 🇿🇲
Yes everyone belongs to his ethic group regardless where you live. No one changes the the ethnicity due to the location. If you are Luvale you are Luvale even if you live in Kitwe.
I was born in the Netherlands but I always call myself a citizen of this beautiful planet. We don’t have tribes here so I don’t how it feels to be part of a group.
Point of corrections Bemba doesn't cover 5 provinces of Zambia, Bemba are indigenous of parts of Northern province and Muchinga province. Of late the people of Luapula who are not Bembas are counted together with Bembas for the long time the two groups have been together.
Perhaps you want to Learn more,The So Called Mwata Kazembe is a Grand Son of the Bemba People,When the Bembas Defeated the People who initially resided in Luapula,they Left Kanyembo a Grandson of Chiti lineage,hence the Reason for the People in Luapula Subscribing to Bemba
Let me conclude now Lambas and Bembas are not the same what is in this video is full of lies and misleading information. The two are not the same linguistically, traditionally and with customerily. The language spoken in copper belt urban is not Bemba but a lingua franca. It's like the Lusaka Nyanja, when did you hear the Nyanja lusaka is part of eastern because of Nyanja? I think this issue needs to be settled once and for all. I rest my case
Sir I have circulated your video in different Lamba sections but am just asking for your name and contacts we need to engage you or probably educate you on this. You may have done it out of ignorance Or else drop this video and redo the bemba exclude the Lamba and Lambaland copper belt.
Lambas don't know Mukulumpe and mumbi mukasa those are foreigner to them. And Bemba is not the largest ethnic group not it is not it is a language only only
Go to mwine lubemba and ask him if copper belt is his territories and if Lamba people are his subject. Then we shall due with himself Chitimukulu But if you are merely dreaming and come and talk from your brain without research better you stop this nonsense
@@Myths-History we were kids was in kabwe went to Ngola Lyuansha Kitwe Lusaka Livingston Kafue and Chishamba mostly the middle and Mpika nera Tanzanian border but we had a good life in Zambia good childhood memories
@@Myths-History then we also know about the flooding of the Zambezi river and the King goes in his boat to the higher capital don't know which tribe was it but it used to be a big ceremony
The Luba and Lunda kingdom were not in Katanga province, but they were in the Upemba depression near the current Lualaba province. Katanga is a recent place founded by the great Lamba people, of interest to note is the fact that even the name Katanga came from a Lamba chief in Lubumbushi.
this a very lazy video. youre just showing pictures of women instead of showing some map illustrations with arrows of direction to show the areas you're taling about. Do better please
Read the books that have been written by Professor Clement M. Doke if you want to get the true history of Lambas. The most is "the Lamba people of northern Rhodesia"
The kola is the one which has brought about some confusions, this place was located from Angola, it covered the DRC the other Congo and part of Gabon. Lubas or Lundas never came from there. They established their kingdoms in the Upemba depression between the 4th or 5th centuries.
Please Lubumbashi is not Bemba but Lamba, Kitwe, Ndola, and the rest of the copper belt is Lambaland not Bemba. Please read the book written by Prof Doke under the entitled "the Lamba people people of
@@RachaelChileshe-le8zv Rachel even you yourself you can be happy to be joined with the people you are not related to. Imagine someone says to are mwachhusa when you are not how do you feel? Whosoever, wrote this script and give it to this man to read is nothing but an evil man. Trying to achieve what he can not manage to achieve.
Redo your video otherwise we can sue to court for giving false information. We have the history account written by the Baptist missionary and scientist of linguistic Prof Doke. We are not part of the bemba tribe please list if you have ear
The history of the Lambas is straight forward and simple, Lambas migrated from the Luba-lunda kingdom or empire under the great King Mwata Yamva. The lady who was the youngest wife of the great king Mwata Yamva, whose name was Chembo Kasako Chimbala was not happy with the porrigomous marriage, so she run away to come and hide in the land called Ilamba or Lambaland. This is the genesis of the great Lamba people. By 1600 Lambas were trading in copper and ivory to the neoubouring tribes and the Kazembe was the prominent one. This was confirmed by the Portuguese explorer as it appeared on the journal dated 21/09/1798. This can be confirmed by the writing of the most prominent linguistic Professor Dr. Clement M. Doke in his book entitled "The Lamba People of Northern Rhodesia:. That all for now.
Remove copper belt and Lamba from the Bemba grouping this issue was handed long time ago by Professor Doke. Are Lambas subject of Chitimukulu? Go and ask mwine lubemba if he will agree that Lamba are his subjects.
Research ask the indigenous of the tribes you want to write about get the truth rather than exposing falsehood and lies on this platform in order to please some people. Fis
You are wrong copper belt belongs to the Lamba people who are completely different from the Bemba of northern Province. All you have written is false and mislead.
The Portuguese trader of the year 21/09/1798 was not in relation to the Bembas but Lambas who where trading in copper and ivory, with the neoubouring tribes inclusive of the Mwata Kazembe the date was the journal was dated 21/09/1798. Whosoever, misguided you with this falsehood is a cursed one, and will never see good days. The lies and misguided information is too much. Lambas reached the lambaland in later 1500 and by 1600 the lambas started the mining operations the extraction of ore took place on two locations, that is Bwanamkubwa near Ndola and Kansashi near Solwezi, both locations in lambaland not Bembaland. The smelting took place in Mufulira and from there the copper cathode found their way into the market. Bembas and Lambas in the known history they have never met not at all. Until in the years 1940s when they came to Lambaland in search of employment. There is no oral tradition non-written account which talks about the two great tribes meeting nothing, not at all whosoever, if one says that then he is talking from the political side.
Bembas are not superior to make Lambas inferior. We are a Tribe with Chiefs and have our provinces. Keep your Provinces to yourselves and don't bring anarchy. Respect is important
First read the book written by Prof Doke if you want to speak about Lambas, otherwise you will be mislead the people with falsehood. Us Lambas we are not subject of Chitimukulu we are a tribe on our own and please respect us. We are not a subtribe of the people we can to know when they came to look for a better life in Lambaland.
Please enjoy the history of the Bemba people. We also share about the Bemba language in this controversial video.
You raise valid and important points regarding the historical and cultural distinctions between the Lamba and Bemba people. Indeed, the classification of ethnic groups in Zambia has often been influenced by political and administrative decisions, particularly during and after the colonial era. The attempt to categorize Zambia’s diverse ethnic groups into seven broader groupings-Bemba, Tonga, Lozi, Kaonde, Lunda, Luvale, and Nyanja-has at times overlooked the deep-rooted distinctions and independent histories of many smaller groups, including the Lamba.
Key Considerations:
1. Cultural Distinctions:
As you noted, the Lamba people have distinct cultural practices, traditions, and a unique language that is separate from Bemba. These differences are well-documented by researchers like Prof. Clement M. Doke, who spent significant time studying and living among the Lamba people.
2. Linguistic Differences:
Lamba and Bemba are linguistically different, although both belong to the Bantu language family. Their languages are not mutually intelligible, which underscores their separate identities.
3. Colonial and Post-Colonial Categorization:
The conflation of certain ethnic groups, such as the inclusion of Lamba within the Bemba grouping, is largely a result of political decisions during colonial administration and post-independence nation-building efforts. These efforts were aimed at simplifying governance and creating broader national identities but often ignored historical and cultural realities.
4. Mubanga Kashoki's Influence:
Mubanga Kashoki's work on Zambian languages and ethnic groups was indeed influential but has been critiqued for its political and administrative motivations, which may not always align with historical or anthropological evidence.
5. Authentic Documentation:
The work of scholars like Prof. Clement M. Doke, who immersed themselves in the study of specific ethnic groups, provides a more accurate representation of those groups' identities and histories.
Conclusion:
The distinction between the Lamba and Bemba people is clear and rooted in pre-colonial history. Efforts to conflate them into a single group lack historical backing and overlook the autonomy of the Lamba identity. Your critique highlights the need for factual, unbiased, and thorough documentation of Zambia’s ethnic and cultural diversity. This is essential to preserving the unique identities and histories of all Zambian peoples.
My wife is from Lusaka but living in the CBD now with her family. I find this video very interesting as I am seriously learning about my wife’s culture and heritage. Muli shani 😁 I love Zambia 🇿🇲
Interesting
Thanks lot
Yes everyone belongs to his ethic group regardless where you live.
No one changes the the ethnicity due to the location.
If you are Luvale you are Luvale even if you live in Kitwe.
I was born in the Netherlands but I always call myself a citizen of this beautiful planet. We don’t have tribes here so I don’t how it feels to be part of a group.
please do chishala history
Chishala or Mushala?
Nkole and chiti were brothers
Please can you do a LOZI and TONGA People history?
Thanks a lot for watching. We are working on the Lodi history. The Tonga history is below th-cam.com/video/7N9fRnb_1Ko/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ld9MVq6W_hF5Cktb
1960 #ReviveZambiasSpaceProgram
Mwatakazembe is a representative of King Mwatayavwa king of the Lunda Empire.
Thanks for the insight. we have planned to look at the Kingdom of Mwatakazembe in our future video.
Point of corrections Bemba doesn't cover 5 provinces of Zambia, Bemba are indigenous of parts of Northern province and Muchinga province.
Of late the people of Luapula who are not Bembas are counted together with Bembas for the long time the two groups have been together.
Perhaps you want to Learn more,The So Called Mwata Kazembe is a Grand Son of the Bemba People,When the Bembas Defeated the People who initially resided in Luapula,they Left Kanyembo a Grandson of Chiti lineage,hence the Reason for the People in Luapula Subscribing to Bemba
Let me conclude now
Lambas and Bembas are not the same what is in this video is full of lies and misleading information.
The two are not the same linguistically, traditionally and with customerily. The language spoken in copper belt urban is not Bemba but a lingua franca.
It's like the Lusaka Nyanja, when did you hear the Nyanja lusaka is part of eastern because of Nyanja?
I think this issue needs to be settled once and for all.
I rest my case
Professor Dr. Clement M. Doke has written a Lamba history which you will never destroy and associate the Lambas to a different tribe this is nonsense
Lamba is not a dialect of bemba is a language on its own please redo this video remove Lamba and copper belt from the bemba people
When did Lambas became Bembas?
When did the Lambaland became bemba land?
Lambaland is the largest land as it covers copper belt, parts of Central and North western Provinces and the southern Katanga and Lualaba Provinces.
Sir I have circulated your video in different Lamba sections but am just asking for your name and contacts we need to engage you or probably educate you on this.
You may have done it out of ignorance
Or else drop this video and redo the bemba exclude the Lamba and Lambaland copper belt.
Lambas don't know Mukulumpe and mumbi mukasa those are foreigner to them.
And Bemba is not the largest ethnic group not it is not it is a language only only
Kazembe was no part of the children of Mukulumpe he was a General of Mwata Yamva
Who can denial this?
The language spoken in copper belt is a lingua franca not bemba it is a mixture of Lamba and Bemba, and it came about at the time of urbanization.
250,000 and yet they became the largest ethic group in Zambia? This circus of 1964 is accurate.
Go to mwine lubemba and ask him if copper belt is his territories and if Lamba people are his subject.
Then we shall due with himself Chitimukulu
But if you are merely dreaming and come and talk from your brain without research better you stop this nonsense
I spent time of my childhood in Zambia
Great to hear that. Did you have a chance to go to Bemba land, especially Chinsali?
@@Myths-History we were kids was in kabwe went to Ngola Lyuansha Kitwe Lusaka Livingston Kafue and Chishamba mostly the middle and Mpika nera Tanzanian border but we had a good life in Zambia good childhood memories
@@Myths-History well we were taught some thing of the Nyanja Bemba Illongo Matabele tribes there were ,72 tribes in Zambia at that time
@@Myths-History then we also know about the flooding of the Zambezi river and the King goes in his boat to the higher capital don't know which tribe was it but it used to be a big ceremony
The Luba and Lunda kingdom were not in Katanga province, but they were in the Upemba depression near the current Lualaba province.
Katanga is a recent place founded by the great Lamba people, of interest to note is the fact that even the name Katanga came from a Lamba chief in Lubumbushi.
this a very lazy video. youre just showing pictures of women instead of showing some map illustrations with arrows of direction to show the areas you're taling about. Do better please
You have upset me to the level I have never reached before.
@@kennethngalamika8180 a please tell me why you are upset?
Lies you have talked about the great Lambas reduce them to the people they never even come across to only to be met during urbanization.
@@Myths-Historythat you have talking about in video is completely lies on Lambas I can give you the true and complete Lamba history not this lies
The rail has never passed through the Bembaland but Lambaland
Read the books that have been written by Professor Clement M. Doke if you want to get the true history of Lambas.
The most is "the Lamba people of northern Rhodesia"
The kola is the one which has brought about some confusions, this place was located from Angola, it covered the DRC the other Congo and part of Gabon.
Lubas or Lundas never came from there.
They established their kingdoms in the Upemba depression between the 4th or 5th centuries.
Please Lubumbashi is not Bemba but Lamba, Kitwe, Ndola, and the rest of the copper belt is Lambaland not Bemba.
Please read the book written by Prof Doke under the entitled "the Lamba people people of
This is all nonsense to reduce such a respectful Lamba people to Bembas who just came to copper belt as labourers
Iyokwena chamikalipa ayini wabufi uyu
@@RachaelChileshe-le8zv Rachel even you yourself you can be happy to be joined with the people you are not related to.
Imagine someone says to are mwachhusa when you are not how do you feel?
Whosoever, wrote this script and give it to this man to read is nothing but an evil man. Trying to achieve what he can not manage to achieve.
Bembas now rule the copperbelt 😂 labourers kwisa 😮
@@MukukaMulenga-vj1pf where is the Bemba chief in the copper belt, or even a Bemba village?
Don't mix the lingua franca to Bemba languages
Redo your video otherwise we can sue to court for giving false information. We have the history account written by the Baptist missionary and scientist of linguistic Prof Doke.
We are not part of the bemba tribe please list if you have ear
Stop being petty even I'd you disagree who mostly occupies your lambaland if you're not happy make a video and post 😂
The history of the Lambas is straight forward and simple, Lambas migrated from the Luba-lunda kingdom or empire under the great King Mwata Yamva.
The lady who was the youngest wife of the great king Mwata Yamva, whose name was Chembo Kasako Chimbala was not happy with the porrigomous marriage, so she run away to come and hide in the land called Ilamba or Lambaland.
This is the genesis of the great Lamba people.
By 1600 Lambas were trading in copper and ivory to the neoubouring tribes and the Kazembe was the prominent one.
This was confirmed by the Portuguese explorer as it appeared on the journal dated 21/09/1798.
This can be confirmed by the writing of the most prominent linguistic Professor Dr. Clement M. Doke in his book entitled "The Lamba People of Northern Rhodesia:.
That all for now.
Remove copper belt and Lamba from the Bemba grouping this issue was handed long time ago by Professor Doke.
Are Lambas subject of Chitimukulu?
Go and ask mwine lubemba if he will agree that Lamba are his subjects.
Materilial grouping is not only on the Bemba side most tribes in Zambia are and they don't consider themselves Bembas.
Redo this video it is only full of lies and false hood
Chitimukulu is not chief in the copper belt.
The language paramount chief is Mushili.
Research ask the indigenous of the tribes you want to write about get the truth rather than exposing falsehood and lies on this platform in order to please some people.
Fis
You are wrong copper belt belongs to the Lamba people who are completely different from the Bemba of northern Province.
All you have written is false and mislead.
Stop mixing the copper belt to bemba
Mumbi Mukasa was found in the bush, go to Kenya among the Kikuyu tribe you will find the true stories of Mumbi Mukasa.
The Portuguese trader of the year 21/09/1798 was not in relation to the Bembas but Lambas who where trading in copper and ivory, with the neoubouring tribes inclusive of the Mwata Kazembe the date was the journal was dated 21/09/1798.
Whosoever, misguided you with this falsehood is a cursed one, and will never see good days.
The lies and misguided information is too much.
Lambas reached the lambaland in later 1500 and by 1600 the lambas started the mining operations the extraction of ore took place on two locations, that is Bwanamkubwa near Ndola and Kansashi near Solwezi, both locations in lambaland not Bembaland.
The smelting took place in Mufulira and from there the copper cathode found their way into the market.
Bembas and Lambas in the known history they have never met not at all. Until in the years 1940s when they came to Lambaland in search of employment.
There is no oral tradition non-written account which talks about the two great tribes meeting nothing, not at all whosoever, if one says that then he is talking from the political side.
Make proper research before giving out false information.
Who so ever cheated you that copper belt is Bemba is an imposter
Bembas are not superior to make Lambas inferior. We are a Tribe with Chiefs and have our provinces. Keep your Provinces to yourselves and don't bring anarchy. Respect is important
Please Listen to your great great ma ...I know most people don't have them
Why are only showing women ???? Laziness
First read the book written by Prof Doke if you want to speak about Lambas, otherwise you will be mislead the people with falsehood.
Us Lambas we are not subject of Chitimukulu we are a tribe on our own and please respect us.
We are not a subtribe of the people we can to know when they came to look for a better life in Lambaland.
I will take this video to the Lamba grouping and may we know you so that we can correct you.
Your history is very wrong.