Can DIY Fiberglass outperform UHMWPE - Today's body armor of choice
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- Taking a closer look at homemade body armor to stop pistol threats (level 3A). I make a Fiberglass homemade body armor plate and put it to the test against a purchased 3A plate in todays material of choice, UHMWPE.
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After watching the video, youve sold me on DIY fiberglass; again dude. You're doing the work of a legend in these videos. I plan on trying my hand at making some fiberglass armor soon.
Keep making more,,thank yiu thats how we learn from guys like you that has the knowledge
Bro, you keep talking about extra weight, even at a "heavy" 2 pounds or whatever, the fiberglass is great, what's an extra pound over the plastic when we are talking about your life!! Try wearing the iotv on patrol, now that's heavy. But great video and I'm convinced that with a skinny layer of kevlar in front of the fiberglass "to catch ricochets and sprawl" and a thin titanium plate next to the body this could defeat rifle rounds in addition to pistol and frag shrapnel.
I'd most certainly like to view such a video as well
Dude your a legend, I appreciate this video so much; keep up all the work your doing. Keeping the minutemen alive in my brain 😂😂
I hope you get more followers. Good, simple, and short video.
Very informative Bro. Thank you and Congratulations! 😊
Watching this I wonder several things. The first is which type of weave and thread count of fiberglass would work the best. Idk if thread count is the right term but I know it comes in different weights. Also I wonder what the optimal amount of layers is for weight to protection ratio. Next what is the best way to alternate the direction of the layers when laminating. The next thing is what brand and type of resin and hardener would be the strongest. Would a mix that gets hotter and cures faster be better vs a slower cure. Then to top it off I wonder how carbon fiber laminated in a similar way would hold up. Definitely really interesting.
All those questions can definitely attribute to strength. However, I’ve also found that lots of time working with the same material it’s easy to overthink the endless possibilities of application. I will add that I’ve realized it’s usually not how many layers of the material but the final total thickness.
@@3RBallisticsI'd imagine how well you compress the fiberglass plays a huge part too. Poor compression or not doing a vacuum could lead to greater inconsistencies. I need to see more!
Hello just found your page like you mentioned in your analysis the polyurethane deforms I wonder if you combine the polyurethane with a backing of the diy fiberglass to give the plate more stopping power possibly rifle rounds and rigidity to the homemade plate.
That is a pretty interesting idea to reduce weight, some kind of composite using both, but I don't think it gets to stop rifle rounds, both of these materials alone need to be very thick to stop a rifle round.
Can you recommend me if I made for Ak 47 bullet resistant , what should I use fiberglass or polyethylene or Kevlar but I wanna make budget version pls reply me
Here is a interesting chalange for you (I'm going to copy paste this comment on afew videos so you notice it)...
Fiberglass balistic helmet or just a full diy balistic helmet series including back face deformation testing.
My idea is a fiberglass helmet with thin steel bars impeded on the inner layers of fiberglass forming a lattice shape to prevent serious back face deformation.
A Spanish guy did that on TH-cam, casted it out of another helmets shape and it worked up to level 2, you could make a level3a with more layers probably
@@G36C-556 thing is one should try the weight if one can handle it. Also it would be cool to make one using a motorcycle helmet as a mold.
Great video, I like the slo-mo camera. I wonder if wrapping the UHMWPE in a few layers of fiberglass would give you the best of both plates?
Thanks, and yes, using fiberglass as a strike face works quite well. Just haven’t been able to stop the .308 in this manner yet.
@Armor-Innovations Just watched a few of your videos. They are really good. Really loved the last one. If you ever need me to test or video anything just let me know.
Thanks a lot! Look up Rock West Composites Tri-Weave. Maybe you can make a composite plate out of this and compare it to other composites you have made?
@@Armor-Innovations will do 👍
Thats pretty cool, are you up for having plates sent to you
Wow, didn't expect the fiberglass to do so well! What is the matrix that you used, and can you use a transparent one to make bulletproof glass?
I use epoxy resin to hold it all together which is too brittle for bulletproof glass. However, I have a video where I make and show the build for bulletproof glass.
If the UHMWPE plate has more layers and with more epoxy, it will be just good if not better
Unfortunately, epoxy does not adhere to UHMWPE. At a pistol rating of 3A, I can get UHMWPE to delaminate with 3 shots of 44 mag.
@@3RBallistics try 40 layers and add a ceramic strike face, Capri classic is a good ceramic tile for body armor, adding 2 layers and using loctite construction adhesive to keep them together
@@Bryant-gi5sx I have a very similar plate to this I tested in another one of my videos.
@@3RBallistics then maybe I should watch more of your videos before commenting, lol. Really you do great stuff tho!
@@3RBallisticsI've seen a few of HDPE being wrapped in fiberglass. Sometimes with a steel plate too. Works best in combination with something. Id take a little extra weight and thickness if it means i can take more hits comfortably. I have 5 kids I need to protect more than anything.
How about mixing fibreglass with welding blanket sheets in between (layers) together with Kevlar on both surfaces? I think that will be enough to hold several rifle rounds other than handgun ammos....
Fiberglass is what the welding blanket is made of. However, I am in the testing phase of using fiberglass as a strike face and Kevlar as an absorption layer with the hopes of stopping rifle rounds.
@@3RBallistics I can't wait how it goes on video. Keep it rolling ✅
@@3RBallistics well, from my observation from other TH-camrs... welding blanket is much thicker than ordinary fibreglass made one at a time... Maybe just maybe, it could be more resistant to impact 🤞🏻
@@tontosilver6578 I’ll really have to look into that. The ironic thing is that I do light welding and have the Harbor Freight welding blanket in my shop.
Can you recommend me if I made for Ak 47 bullet resistant , what should I use fiberglass or polyethylene or Kevlar but I wanna make budget version pls reply me 11:09
U need to stop 7.62 mm bullets ??
@@tonyromano8337 Watch the news. War everywhere, civil strife across the West. Everyone needs to stop 7.62
I am currently in the process of collecting the ingedient list for HDPE/aramid/ceramic/1/4inch mild steel composite plate.
great job and entertaining video’s
With full respect for yours work, but the distance is not like in NIJ standart ...
Test with standart distance and it will be great!
lol bro i just got 3 yards of balist grade uhmwpe from alli for 12 bucks shipped. trust me its real it just takes 1-2 mo to come in the mail. 3 sq.yrds is about enough to make an entire lev3 plate homie.
No doubt. The video was just to show the characteristics of each material. Just out of curiosity, how do you plant to keep your layers of UHMWPE together?
Getting uhmwpe is one thing, making a bullet resistant panel is a completely different thing 😅 but I would definitely like to experiment with it
@@hhkk6155 tbh its really not rocket science. industrially they use big heated presses that have lots of thermal mass and sometimes use steam to transfer heat better... but there was a guy on yt who showed you could literally put a few layers between wax baking paper and apply a clothes iron on medium to them and stop 9mm easy. there is also a video done by check me out now or something where he shows the complete wrong way to do it which is by putting layers of regular HWMPE grocery bags in between two baking trays that are clamped and putting in a way too hot oven for way too long. i dont even think he understood that Poly ethelyene has directional strength and he neglected to alternate their orientation. its no wonder he had such poor results. the uhmwpe comes all weaved/oriented for you. just dont cook the crap out of it and depolyermise it into short chains. that defeats the purpose of how carefully its made. look up gel forming uhmwpe for a good understanding... but ya gentle heating and not doing too many layers at a time is what u need. if ur unsure they acutally work pretty well just loosely stacked togeather. thats actually better than epoxy since epoxy changes the speed of sound in them which from the papers ive read is the most important paramater of their term balist performance
So, why isn't the 'DIY Fiberglass' body armor being manufactured?
It actually is. BAM on sells there’s on eBay as well as countless other companies. However, besides BAM, most other manufacturers only sell them as wall panels to protect rooms and such.
What would be awesome if you showed us the materials that you use for the fiberglass on a video
Yes, I should’ve linked it in the description but I have made multiple videos showing how it’s made and what it’s made of
th-cam.com/video/UNj7wk50ikk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5yH9gIC9ojrB0DeU
3RBallistics, what is the thickness of the fiberglass plate?
It is .4 inches thick. I usually just call it 1/2 inch thick
He said 1 centimeter 😆
How many layers of fiberglass and did you do them in strips and crosscut them? Thanks!
You can see how I built them in this previous video:
th-cam.com/video/UNj7wk50ikk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-ei1068TWPJSadF7
How thick would that fiberglass plate need to be to stop 7.62x39 and 5.56? No ceramic, no steel.
@@JohnDoe-ml8ru I’m actually doing this test tomorrow. So hopefully I’ll have a video out in the next few weeks discussing this.
check his video he tested 4 fiberglass plates instead of 1.
If you like to make your own stuff, why not try making your own ceramic porcelain tiles or entire one piece porcelain plates in the shape you want? That way you don't have to cut pieces to make the shape, and you can make it as thick as you like. All you really need is the clay, some time, and a fire to remove the moisture.
I actually have tried making my own tiles. It’s not as easy as it looks without firing them to proper temperature in a kiln. However, I may try another round of this because I have found a place that may let me use their kiln.
@@3RBallistics Sounds like you are on top of it. I look forward to your next efforts.
Ballistic ceramic plates are not made of clay. It's usually aluminium oxide + additives.
Hi, any thoughts on making soft body armor? I have seen a lot of video s making plates , but not soft body armor. I have seen some concept on Tech s channel using polyester and nylon fabric.
Do you think you can make and test some soft armor? I know i t won t stop rifle rounds, but for small rounds, spall, or even frag might work.
Why polyester/nylon fabric? because is dirt cheap and it can be found anywhere. Feel free to try other materials, but polyester is the cheapest and easy to find.
How to make them? Just plain fabric sewed together and that s it, you can sew like 5-10 layers together and just stack them up. If you try to wrap them up in duck tape, you might lose some flexibility.
I have made a few soft panels but have not put much effort into this. However, I still have all the materials so maybe I’ll just continue what I started and see how sowing a few of those layers together works out.
@@3RBallistics Ty for answering on my question. Yah, it should not be complicated to make, it dose not involve resins or ceramic tiles. I m really interested to see how the polyester fabric will work. I had some polyester fabric laying around and i folded it up and about 30 layers should be the optimal thickens for comfort and flexibility, but for efficiency you should go higher than 30. The one i have its really strong to tear and abrasion, it s called something with oxford.
I m looking foreword for the video.
@@camarad777could've been Oxford 900D if it was hard to tear
Bro, 7.62×54r
7.62×51
vs
1/2 in mail steel plate,
muzzle velocity test.❤
Sure, I’d give it a try. I just did a 1/2 aluminum vs mild steel vs stainless steel vs ar500 video that you can see here:
th-cam.com/video/XdG_7_wU0Wg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=mWyNeO-XVY3aCqt1
@@3RBallistics спасибо, мы это смотрели, если можете сделайте тест с патроном 7.62×54r. Благодарю вас , за интересный канал!❤👍👌👏💪🌏.
Брат,ecли можно проведите тест, 7.62×54r на пробитие 12.7мм железной плиты, 50метров.
удачи!❤
How about stacking 1 fiberglass homemade, and 1 PE factory. Would it stop rifle cartridges? Video ideas 💡😅
I already have a video like this in the works. I’m using fiberglass as the strike face and PE as a backing 👍
@@3RBallistics cool 👍 will be waiting it
Was the polyethylene plate with epoxy resin, or without? It may last just as long as the fiberglass with resin.
Resin will not “stick” to polyethylene. UHMWPE needs to be hot pressed to for a ridged bond. That’s also why PE usually delaminates after a few high energy hits. It’s a very slippery material that does not bond well with most common adhesives.
the lack of resin is why UHMWPE is so much lighter than fiberglass. Manufacturers like it because its a lot less messy to work with. You need a massive press to make the layers bond though. This is also why you don't see any UHMWPE ballistic wall or vehicle armor panels but you do for fiberglass.
what resin did you use to make the plate
About 8 ounces of total boat brand epoxy resin.
How long did the build take? Also do you have list of materials used?
I believe I go over all of that in this previous video:
th-cam.com/video/UNj7wk50ikk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=58b1Ee27TzTKYgt_
He has a build video here: th-cam.com/video/UNj7wk50ikk/w-d-xo.html
Can you recommend me if I made for Ak 47 bullet resistant , what should I use fiberglass or polyethylene or Kevlar but I wanna make budget version pls reply me