Can we all appreciate how good of a channel this is? The guy is a fabricator that is swapping probably the most complicated diesel ever made, restoring the car to a condition better that new, he films himself, does all the editing and on top of that he is bloody funny? Congratulations Sir. Please keep those videos coming.
That engine bay could do with some more pipes and cables :) I agree, i think if your trying to do a unusual swap like that you would be better sticking with the factory setup. Although i would not install that huge boat anchor in there and go for the classic 1000bhp+ nissan patrol from saudi instead.
10:10 There actually are: Turbo Lamik and HTG for the ZF 8HP. But this doesn´t prove you different: Lamik looks to have done a good job, from what I "have read" (what ever this means). But I also heard of cases when these aftermarket TCUs FAIL. And If so, you can get in serious trouble on the street, as well as offroad. This can be pretty dangerous! There is also at least 1 piggy box for the 8HP that "just" translates what the ZF needs to know W/O the setting of a different firmware. All of the above are roughly 1 grand!
For reference. My replacement TCM cost $50, and can be paired with my vcds cable. I can't really see any sense in using aftermarket stuff unless I'm feeling sadistic and want to make heaps of extra work and cost
Its funny people out side the VAG world really don't know how flashable and adjustable they are . I generally put haltech on stuff because I'm not smart enough to work out factory ECUS . i agree aftermarket ECUS have been pretty slow coming to the gearbox control party I've only seen the real expensive gucci stuff like Syvex motec bosche work with factory TCUs .
The long and winding road to completion. Trouble with 1 off jobs. Have to learn a lot about something probably only doing once. Can't wait to see it on the road. Merry Chrissy, to you and lol, "the net experts".
In any regular use case a factory ecu beats a standalone any day of the week, as long as you can tune it that is. Standalones do have their place though, mostly in the track racing world, Or in very specific Engine Swapped applications. People have even used a standalone as a piggy back to a oem ecu, that could not be hacked. Nothing beats that oem idle and drivability though. I also like Oem gauges and functionality on swaps. I dont like seeing cut up dashes with auto meter gauges etc everywhere. I understand adding like a boost gauge or Afr though.
Yeah definitely a place for them, just not in this project. If I used it here, I'd just be swapping quality components with not so good ones and struggling harder
@@ridiculousthings4x4 yeah in a case like this with the diesel, and the other non regular injectors etc. it would be a pain in the ass to run a standalone on.
Diesel fuel injection strategies are much more complex than petrol engines. Up to 5 individual injections per cycle. The OEM calibrations are king here.
Pumpe duse engines only have one injection event. It would be interesting to see a V10 TDI work on a single board/ECU... although I would either use a manual trans or an older auto with basic control or no electronic control
I’m an OEM diesel calibrator and agree. Gasoline port injection - I love a stand-alone. But diesel, no. Only in rare situations would I want to mess with a diesel standalone.
Factory ECU's are brilliant. Code support is the key to using them successfully. You can always get spares and they are ultra reliable. Only reason to use aftermarket is if the factory ECU doesn't do what you need.
Absolutely, stock ECU is King. Any aftermarkert Diesel ECU is just for useless black smoke. The only exception is Skynam Sybele ECU but it's French and very very hard to setup, even if proved in Endurance and Dakar.
Yeah I'm sure given a complete knowledge of an aftermarket setup it would be possible to get good results, but if I've got the wiring and ecu setup, why not use it?
man i feel your words in my skin......i have a volvo c30 t5, i love this car, one of the few coupes volvo made, but it doesnt have the manual m66 6-speed tranny and i cant find one to buy.........it has the aw55 auto gearbox....plus, the car has SIXTEEN interconnected modules for everything you can imagine.....hopeless is the true word for this if you want a manual swap.
Is that ex police? Bad memories of unmarked cop Volvo's catching me doing terrible things on motorbikes when I was about 19. Either way, at least if you can find that obscure gearbox, you can just plug it all in and with a bit of hex key tweaking it'll work as if it was born with it 🤙
Tbh I like the open source concept and familiar language being Arduino based. I'd imagine it would be quite nice to work with without having to fight through the limitations of front end software like most of the aftermarket stuff requires.
@ridiculousthings4x4 that's exactly the appeal to me as well. Just wish manufacturers provided data sheets for sensors, etc. Wouldn't that be a world to live in!
most actually do provide extensive data sheets as long as you ask the sensor manufacturer, and not the car manufacturer. Often they'll have resistance equivalency values, or a direct function that makes interpolation/extrapolation easy.
@@ridiculousthings4x4was thinking of getting one instead of a shit stock airbox, on a 3l 4cyl diesel reckon they’d be any good. I’ve always heard shit about the quality of SAAS products, how do you find them quality wise
For a electricity controlled diesel injection system, a aftermarket ecu is quit pointless! Allot of funky stuff is going on with those modern direct injectors, even gasoline DI. But it would be interesting to see how such a modern diesel engine would act when controlled like a dumb one. How would power and emissions change if you just control injection start and duration instead of those multiple injections and pre injection schemes.
Converting a 1.9tdi to a mechanical pump is pretty common for the engine swap crowd. "The internet" tells me there isn't a huge difference in performance and driveability, which roughly translates to "it must drive like garbage". But who knows, it would be nice if one of the good manufacturers made an open source car. Plz santa
i hate locked down ecu's man they take all the fun out of a newer engine comforts and just be a pain all around for no reason... specially with newer diesel engines... why cant i have the sleek diesel with quiet and efficient injection in my shoddy old ass hilux? OH and also no crate engines... maybe i should get an R2.8 out of cummins...
So what I got from all that is that everything is tightly locked up and proprietary, information is not easily accessible (if at all) and you are better off not even trying to decipher all that because everything is set up so you can't and even if you manage to, comfort features will probably go bye bye
@@ridiculousthings4x4 I perfectely understood why in your particular use case going with an aftermarket wasn't feasible TBH this was more of a rant on how obscure ECU tuning seems to be and how manufacturers just don't want you to tinker with it. This is an extension of the right to repair sentiment, I should be able to access everything easily and documentations should be available is what I'm saying. There would be little to no need for aftermarket ECU if that was the case But that wasn't the point of the video at all, sorry for that. I'm just mad that I either have to trust some random guy or pay 3000$ to be able to do it myself
@guillaumejoop6437 gotcha. It depends on the manufacturer a lot I guess. Luckily VW, audi, Bentley and Porsche all fall into the "easy to work with" category, it just doesn't seem to be common knowledge. But yeah, locking down ECUs is a bit of a problem within the industry, but somehow understandable given what can go wrong if brainlets have a go without knowing what's up
@@ridiculousthings4x4 yeah I understand why too, especially with CANBUS one being able to control so many things (including security feature !) Welp, guess I'll have to find someone who knows his way around Suzukis. That can't be that hard considering my Jimny shares the same engine platform as a Swift and people go ham on those little things. Can't wait to swap the annemic M13A for the big brother M16A
Without a doubt this talk was required to stamp out the keyboard warriors. There are very specialised techs in the aftermarket ECU industry, but unless they produce an ECU that is specific for diesel and V10 there is zero chance of getting an aftermarket ecu this anyway? Even the diesel torque tuning place that was a few sheds up from where I worked nearly all of the vehicles came in and had the stock ECU remapped in most cases, reflashed with firmware that then enable remapping or they had a chip installed that allowed bypass of specific functions to be remotely controlled. Almost none of them had a standalone ECU? In fact with diesel engines they tend to go backwards rather than forwards to tune for more hp and torque? As in deleting everything electronic and all of injection system to an older all mechanical style of injection? But no older "V10" style diesels exist that have compatibility with the VW V10? It's not impossible but man it would be unbelievably expensive and therefore not even feasible consideration for anyone unless they are competing in some kind of performance diesel racing? It's certainly not the fast way of getting the Touareg motor on the road that's for sure! Nope, getting the fiddly little glitches removed by a VW hacking specialist is definitely the way to go. I would recommend that you do a firmware dump off the ECU when it gets back so that potentially you can use this to reflash any future replacement ECUs perhaps? I do know that what these specialists do is write data directly from and too the chip inside the ECU. Meaning the security checks are valid as VW when it boots, however those binaries may not remain valid when backing up the firmware? It's worthwhile investigating but the person who did the modifications will likely say it can't be done because they want you to keep using their services in the future 😉
One of the units I had to buy was the flashing module which is able to retrieve an ecu dump. Replacement modules such as the ones I had to get for the TCM and transfer case controller can be paired using vcds, and the final slog comes with ODIS, which is a godsend. Firstly I can do it myself if I know the software well, but if not, it also offers a remote desktop style assistance. Luckily I'm not working with any 3rd parties just yet, so they haven't had the chance to lock down my files, but it'll definitely be a condition of service
You spend too much time on comments reading! WTF how dumb is the idea to swap a haltech into a VW. Clearly a keyboard mechanic. I would not even argue with that. I recently cam back to the idea to build a humvee in GER, as a fun rig with some stuff on the tail and a 496 in front of a 4L80 instead of a more common LS. In THAT case a Holley EFI makes sense, in addition to alu heads and a cam. But this is a pretty dumb engine, w/o any boost etc. pp.
I read all the comments. Even negative views give me ad revenue. You've probably already seen the EV humvee that was made, but anything will be better than that 6.5 POS they come with
Decent rant but unless you shit into a pan during a live video and throw said shit at the camera all while cussing with all ur mite….I can only give it a 4 outa 10 rant points but I understand!!…
The aftermarket ECU guys have been pretty quiet since this video dropped... Just sayin'
Can we all appreciate how good of a channel this is? The guy is a fabricator that is swapping probably the most complicated diesel ever made, restoring the car to a condition better that new, he films himself, does all the editing and on top of that he is bloody funny? Congratulations Sir. Please keep those videos coming.
You made me blush with that comment. We should hold hands xoxo
@ridiculousthings4x4 and here we go again:))
Reasonable rant. 6/10. Needs more swearing and to be a lot more shouty.
Noted. 40% more yelling next time
@@ridiculousthings4x4 needs a couple c**ts too heh
just turn the volume up.
"...because it won't be me who's wrong..."
Negative fucks to give 🤣🤣🤣
Confidence is key!
If it ain’t broke don’t haltech it 😂
Finally someone on TH-cam is talking sense
Great explanation that even makes sense to me. All the best for the festive season....
Gday, well explained and it all makes perfect sense, have a great Christmas mate, cheers
Great stuff mate! Merry Christmas. Cheers Steve
Merry Christmas thanks for the content
That engine bay could do with some more pipes and cables :)
I agree, i think if your trying to do a unusual swap like that you would be better sticking with the factory setup. Although i would not install that huge boat anchor in there and go for the classic 1000bhp+ nissan patrol from saudi instead.
Thank you for clearing up aftermarket ecu’s. Looks the the factory unit can’t be beaten with all the research the volks would have had to do!
10:10 There actually are: Turbo Lamik and HTG for the ZF 8HP.
But this doesn´t prove you different: Lamik looks to have done a good job, from what I "have read" (what ever this means).
But I also heard of cases when these aftermarket TCUs FAIL. And If so, you can get in serious trouble on the street, as well as offroad. This can be pretty dangerous!
There is also at least 1 piggy box for the 8HP that "just" translates what the ZF needs to know W/O the setting of a different firmware.
All of the above are roughly 1 grand!
For reference. My replacement TCM cost $50, and can be paired with my vcds cable. I can't really see any sense in using aftermarket stuff unless I'm feeling sadistic and want to make heaps of extra work and cost
Its funny people out side the VAG world really don't know how flashable and adjustable they are . I generally put haltech on stuff because I'm not smart enough to work out factory ECUS . i agree aftermarket ECUS have been pretty slow coming to the gearbox control party I've only seen the real expensive gucci stuff like Syvex motec bosche work with factory TCUs .
The long and winding road to completion. Trouble with 1 off jobs. Have to learn a lot about something probably only doing once. Can't wait to see it on the road. Merry Chrissy, to you and lol, "the net experts".
Good thing I like learning obscure stuff isn't it?
Mate love the videos regardless who knows best.
Finally, I've been looking forward to the episode
In any regular use case a factory ecu beats a standalone any day of the week, as long as you can tune it that is. Standalones do have their place though, mostly in the track racing world, Or in very specific Engine Swapped applications. People have even used a standalone as a piggy back to a oem ecu, that could not be hacked. Nothing beats that oem idle and drivability though. I also like Oem gauges and functionality on swaps. I dont like seeing cut up dashes with auto meter gauges etc everywhere. I understand adding like a boost gauge or Afr though.
Yeah definitely a place for them, just not in this project. If I used it here, I'd just be swapping quality components with not so good ones and struggling harder
@@ridiculousthings4x4 yeah in a case like this with the diesel, and the other non regular injectors etc. it would be a pain in the ass to run a standalone on.
Well said.
Side note, what model cigweld unit was that early in the vid, and do you rate or hate it?
It's a 3 in 1. I'd give it a 7/10 for mig and arc, but tig is lacking since no pedal or pulse
Wazzzupppp!!! Nicely done. 👍
Diesel fuel injection strategies are much more complex than petrol engines. Up to 5 individual injections per cycle. The OEM calibrations are king here.
you, sir, get it. you'll probably also like the last 20 seconds of the video
Pumpe duse engines only have one injection event.
It would be interesting to see a V10 TDI work on a single board/ECU... although I would either use a manual trans or an older auto with basic control or no electronic control
I’m an OEM diesel calibrator and agree. Gasoline port injection - I love a stand-alone. But diesel, no. Only in rare situations would I want to mess with a diesel standalone.
@@tanner3801 VWs PD engines have two injections. One pre injection, and one main injection. Injections are controlled mechanical
Factory ECU's are brilliant. Code support is the key to using them successfully. You can always get spares and they are ultra reliable.
Only reason to use aftermarket is if the factory ECU doesn't do what you need.
Well if I could have summed it up that well, the video would only be 5 seconds long
Absolutely, stock ECU is King. Any aftermarkert Diesel ECU is just for useless black smoke.
The only exception is Skynam Sybele ECU but it's French and very very hard to setup, even if proved in Endurance and Dakar.
Yeah I'm sure given a complete knowledge of an aftermarket setup it would be possible to get good results, but if I've got the wiring and ecu setup, why not use it?
@@ridiculousthings4x4 Smart and simpler to use the stock wiring. You are 100% right. Stock spaghetti FTW
man i feel your words in my skin......i have a volvo c30 t5, i love this car, one of the few coupes volvo made, but it doesnt have the manual m66 6-speed tranny and i cant find one to buy.........it has the aw55 auto gearbox....plus, the car has SIXTEEN interconnected modules for everything you can imagine.....hopeless is the true word for this if you want a manual swap.
Is that ex police? Bad memories of unmarked cop Volvo's catching me doing terrible things on motorbikes when I was about 19. Either way, at least if you can find that obscure gearbox, you can just plug it all in and with a bit of hex key tweaking it'll work as if it was born with it 🤙
Would love to hear your thoughts on Speeduino, seems like it'd be up your alley (not for this of course, this aint no VL Commodore)
Tbh I like the open source concept and familiar language being Arduino based. I'd imagine it would be quite nice to work with without having to fight through the limitations of front end software like most of the aftermarket stuff requires.
@ridiculousthings4x4 that's exactly the appeal to me as well. Just wish manufacturers provided data sheets for sensors, etc. Wouldn't that be a world to live in!
most actually do provide extensive data sheets as long as you ask the sensor manufacturer, and not the car manufacturer. Often they'll have resistance equivalency values, or a direct function that makes interpolation/extrapolation easy.
@@ridiculousthings4x4 good to know, thank you and merry Christmas!
Can't argue your points basically anything apart from a port injected engine its better to stick with factory.
hey mate, how you finding those SAAS airbox things?
Pretty crap in a 4x4 to be honest. No water drain and a side exit. It's just one of the many compromises in a limited space build
@@ridiculousthings4x4was thinking of getting one instead of a shit stock airbox, on a 3l 4cyl diesel reckon they’d be any good. I’ve always heard shit about the quality of SAAS products, how do you find them quality wise
@@sandowebb7302 what's wrong with the stock airbox? You'll probably find it's 10x better than anything you can get to replace it
@ not in this case, rodeo airboxes are know for being shit, no rubber seals, and warp easily
How much weight you got over that front axle?
About 100kg less than Nissan did with a tb42
For a electricity controlled diesel injection system, a aftermarket ecu is quit pointless!
Allot of funky stuff is going on with those modern direct injectors, even gasoline DI.
But it would be interesting to see how such a modern diesel engine would act when controlled like a dumb one.
How would power and emissions change if you just control injection start and duration instead of those multiple injections and pre injection schemes.
Converting a 1.9tdi to a mechanical pump is pretty common for the engine swap crowd. "The internet" tells me there isn't a huge difference in performance and driveability, which roughly translates to "it must drive like garbage". But who knows, it would be nice if one of the good manufacturers made an open source car. Plz santa
Merry Xmas 😊
I wouldn't use a While loop, they're "blocking" 😘
My coding style would probably trigger most people who know something 😂
i hate locked down ecu's man they take all the fun out of a newer engine comforts and just be a pain all around for no reason... specially with newer diesel engines... why cant i have the sleek diesel with quiet and efficient injection in my shoddy old ass hilux? OH and also no crate engines... maybe i should get an R2.8 out of cummins...
Well they do make a V12 TDI... Just sayin'
So what I got from all that is that everything is tightly locked up and proprietary, information is not easily accessible (if at all) and you are better off not even trying to decipher all that because everything is set up so you can't and even if you manage to, comfort features will probably go bye bye
I feel like you misunderstood the whole video
@@ridiculousthings4x4 I perfectely understood why in your particular use case going with an aftermarket wasn't feasible
TBH this was more of a rant on how obscure ECU tuning seems to be and how manufacturers just don't want you to tinker with it. This is an extension of the right to repair sentiment, I should be able to access everything easily and documentations should be available is what I'm saying. There would be little to no need for aftermarket ECU if that was the case
But that wasn't the point of the video at all, sorry for that. I'm just mad that I either have to trust some random guy or pay 3000$ to be able to do it myself
@guillaumejoop6437 gotcha. It depends on the manufacturer a lot I guess. Luckily VW, audi, Bentley and Porsche all fall into the "easy to work with" category, it just doesn't seem to be common knowledge. But yeah, locking down ECUs is a bit of a problem within the industry, but somehow understandable given what can go wrong if brainlets have a go without knowing what's up
@@ridiculousthings4x4 yeah I understand why too, especially with CANBUS one being able to control so many things (including security feature !)
Welp, guess I'll have to find someone who knows his way around Suzukis. That can't be that hard considering my Jimny shares the same engine platform as a Swift and people go ham on those little things. Can't wait to swap the annemic M13A for the big brother M16A
The AI generated german audio track is painful to listen. So good it`s possible to switch back to the original. Greetings from germany.
Hmm, curious on your arguments for and against, or maybe it just against an stand alone ECU 🤔
There aren't many arguments for in my particular application
Without a doubt this talk was required to stamp out the keyboard warriors.
There are very specialised techs in the aftermarket ECU industry, but unless they produce an ECU that is specific for diesel and V10 there is zero chance of getting an aftermarket ecu this anyway?
Even the diesel torque tuning place that was a few sheds up from where I worked nearly all of the vehicles came in and had the stock ECU remapped in most cases, reflashed with firmware that then enable remapping or they had a chip installed that allowed bypass of specific functions to be remotely controlled. Almost none of them had a standalone ECU?
In fact with diesel engines they tend to go backwards rather than forwards to tune for more hp and torque? As in deleting everything electronic and all of injection system to an older all mechanical style of injection? But no older "V10" style diesels exist that have compatibility with the VW V10? It's not impossible but man it would be unbelievably expensive and therefore not even feasible consideration for anyone unless they are competing in some kind of performance diesel racing?
It's certainly not the fast way of getting the Touareg motor on the road that's for sure!
Nope, getting the fiddly little glitches removed by a VW hacking specialist is definitely the way to go.
I would recommend that you do a firmware dump off the ECU when it gets back so that potentially you can use this to reflash any future replacement ECUs perhaps?
I do know that what these specialists do is write data directly from and too the chip inside the ECU. Meaning the security checks are valid as VW when it boots, however those binaries may not remain valid when backing up the firmware?
It's worthwhile investigating but the person who did the modifications will likely say it can't be done because they want you to keep using their services in the future 😉
One of the units I had to buy was the flashing module which is able to retrieve an ecu dump. Replacement modules such as the ones I had to get for the TCM and transfer case controller can be paired using vcds, and the final slog comes with ODIS, which is a godsend. Firstly I can do it myself if I know the software well, but if not, it also offers a remote desktop style assistance. Luckily I'm not working with any 3rd parties just yet, so they haven't had the chance to lock down my files, but it'll definitely be a condition of service
Fan input is input..... But let them buy a patrol body and a v10 vw engin and let them do it .... Its your build
It's easier to throw shit around in the comments section
so your in australia and you modified your car, how do you enjoy your 1 ton + paperweight?
please comment below xD
Is this the next common comment since the aftermarket ecu guys just went silent? 😏
7 days????
A week to reflect on your upcoming viewing choices
That date had me thinking....then I thought America 🇺🇸 and it all became clear...😅
Well put, but won't win over the armchair experts/desktop mechanics who seem to know it all!
I'll be keen to see how their PD diesel conversions turn out
Show us your center console you big tease......😂
All in good time 🤔
You spend too much time on comments reading!
WTF how dumb is the idea to swap a haltech into a VW. Clearly a keyboard mechanic. I would not even argue with that.
I recently cam back to the idea to build a humvee in GER, as a fun rig with some stuff on the tail and a 496 in front of a 4L80 instead of a more common LS. In THAT case a Holley EFI makes sense, in addition to alu heads and a cam. But this is a pretty dumb engine, w/o any boost etc. pp.
I read all the comments. Even negative views give me ad revenue. You've probably already seen the EV humvee that was made, but anything will be better than that 6.5 POS they come with
What's the guarantee you will whine less about idiots if I subscribe...........
Slim to none. Whining about idiots is life
Decent rant but unless you shit into a pan during a live video and throw said shit at the camera all while cussing with all ur mite….I can only give it a 4 outa 10 rant points but I understand!!…
That stuff is saved for my onlyfans
Ducati, GS, Troopy, 76, Patrol, Toureg, Sierra and now a KTM...
I hope the RMS brought you a Christmas Card for keeping them in business🎄
If marketplace wasn't a breeding ground for flogs, some of them might have been sold by now 😔🔫
MAB innovation guy 🫡
Yeah, sure, but, Why don't you just put a haltech in it? 🥸
You'll get a haltech in you if you're not careful
@ridiculousthings4x4 😂