Everything About The Fermi Paradox Is Deeply Unsettling
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- Let's think about the Fermi paradox... Where are all the aliens? Will we ever find them, do they even exist? Every possible Fermi paradox solution raises more questions, and every answer is scary to think about....
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:47 We can't hear them
03:34 Alien life might be too far away
06:03 What our ideas about aliens teach us
07:37 Aliens could be here without us knowing
08:37 Traveling space could be too complicated
12:30 It could be easier to send information
14:54 Alien life could be too alien
15:46 Life and intelligence could be extremely rare
22:54 Well, we just don't know
23:40 The Drake equation
25:28 Conclusions
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I remember one science fiction story that we had been contacted by an alien race, and had set up a giant meeting with them visiting us. Many communications were made to prepare for the arrival of their space ship to arrive, and the map of earth with the co-ordinate system duly sent and understood. On the day of arrival, there was no sign of the visitors, although we had confirmed the location with them. One message from them was concerning the amount of water surrounding the space ship. Took a while to realise that the aliens were microscopic, and had landed in one of the puddles on the runway set up for the arrival.
See Douglas Adams' Vl'hurgs vs G'Gugvuntts. The entire battle fleet was swallowed by a small dog.
THIS is more realistic than not
What if aliens use TikTok style social media for intergalactic communications.
@@Aeimos Their females shaking the equivalent of bottoms to some of music, nice!
@@OLDCHEMIST1 PMSL.
What really scares me about how ridiculously big the universe is is that it would take the Voyager probes 575 million years to be far enough away to take a picture of our galaxy
Crazy thing about size of the visible Universe is that although it is 14.5 billions of years old it's stretching over 92 billions of light years. So, even though you cannot possibly fathom its size as it is, it goes even a step further exiting the common, intuitive logic you might use to encompass it by any measure.
I like that things are still inexplicable! Without mystery there would be no spirit of enquiry or art!
I suspect it's a bit like a worm trying to understand my lawn let alone what's beyond. Not against the worm trying just happy that the mystery will prevail.
You have to realize, we live on the skin of our planet...dig down about six miles, and it's too hot for us. Go up about seven miles, and there's not enough air. The "goldilocks zone" of intelligent life is a lot smaller than we think, imo.
You’re assuming they would be biologically the same as us
What you’re saying tells me it’s unlikely another intelligent species could survive on our planet and we probably couldn’t survive on theirs. We know extremophiles exist on Earth and survive in conditions that would kill us immediately. What if intelligent life evolved from extremophiles?
@@kathleen9456exactly... we have to throw all of that away. We also have to abandon any concept of their biology looking anything like ours.
Hell they may be like atoms or thoughts for all we know.
@@kathleen9456 You're also assuming biological life can form in completely different conditions. As far as we know complex life is only possible in oxygen and water rich worlds. Technology and spaceships for instance, would not have been possible for us in a low oxygen world as fire cannot burn without oxygen. If we lived in a low oxygen world we wouldn't have discovered and mastered fire and wouldn't have been able to go to space in the first place. Similarly, if we were ocean animals we also wouldn't be able to discover and master fire. To build things we also need oppposable thumbs. Sure, intelligent life could exist in completely different settings but that does not mean they would be able to build things and leave their own planet.
There's plenty of room underground we should build houses down there
It'd be funny if there's some other life forms out there based on totally different compounds and chemicals (perhaps with chemistry we do not know) who dismiss earth being habitable because it has an abundance of that toxic compound water.
That would be funny especially considering oxygen used to be toxic to life on Earth. Almost wiped life out completely, too.
Already done in a very poor science fiction movie starring Mel Gibson. But there the aliens were so stupid they invaded anyway. Cheers!
Good post. This idea has been explored as a plot in the works of some of the hard science SciFi authors. I think Isaac Asimov also wrote an essay or 2 about it but I could be misremembering the author. Asimov was a biochemist back in the day. The reason silicon is a go to chemical for the basis of life is because it sits below carbon on the periodic table and so it has the same potent recombinant power as carbon. Carbon and silicon have the potential to combine with 4 other atoms which makes it the backbone for a lot of the long chain molecules that life uses. Theoretically silicon can fit into analogous molecules in place of carbon but the experts have opined on the practicality and determined it's not likely to happen. But like you said, there may be life based on chemistry we don't yet understand such as the chemistry of super high or low pressure and temperature. Take Saturn's moon Titan, for example. It's so cold its mountains are made of ice and it has oceans of methane. Carbon everywhere! Perhaps there's a type of slow life that loves the cold. It's still unicellular as it awaits the red giant phase of the sun to pour in the energy needed to push evolution faster. The same thing is possible in the atmosphere of Jupiter. Many scifi authors have posited gigantic blimp like creatures cruising among the clouds of Jupiter but what might exist in the crushing pressure of the depths of its atmosphere? Or could a form of life exist in a sun? On the surface of a neutron star? Anywhere you can name you can imagine there might be a form of life for whom that's its habitat. It's fun to think about, isn't it?
The problem with that thought is it makes the paradox more of a paradox. If intelligent life is possible from NUMEROUS paths then it's even more confusing why no signs. Because looking for oxygen is only one small piece. Where are all the structures? Where are all the abnormal dimming stars? Where are all the remnants of vast galactic wars from all these millions of civilizations? If you make intelligent life more common/possible then it follows the signs should be even more abundant. And yet it is frighteningly quiet. Everything is where it should be. No structures. No glaring abnormalities so far. Very very odd.
@@coreyh5989 Regarding numerous paths Peter Ward addresses that in his book Life As We Do Not Know It. Regarding the Fermi Paradox in general and the utter lack of evidence of other species, if you actually do the math, it is actually pretty much impossible that we are here. First they tell us there are 200 billion stars with planets but about two-thirds of those are in the Galactic Centre which would not support Live as WE know it. Moreover only about 2.5% of all stars are the mid-sized long-lived yellow or orange stars like our beloved Sol. That means there are actually only 1.65 Billion viable stars for Life as WE know it. Once you factor in the 20 or so factors required to sustain Life as WE know it and do the probability calculation it shows it is impossible for us to be present in the Galaxy.
Most of the "there are so many stars and planets there MUST be blah, blah, blah" is just uninformed cheerleading. Peter Ward addresses this impossibility of our existence in his books Rare Earth and The Medea Hypothesis.
There is also a book written by the chairman of the SETI committee assigned to figure out what to do if we do contact something (can't remember title; search SETI site) in which he states exactly that - since we have NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING WHATSOEVER coming down on one side of the fence or another is just bias and personal preference. So have a nice winter change of pace and read three excellent books by a great scientist. Cheers!
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I think the likely explanation is that intelligent life is exceptionally rare. Like 1-2 species per galaxy. And that’s not unsettling to me at all. It means there’s probably no one out there who can threaten us.
or that it takes 50,000 generations to get to the next place with life
Not really just we can't detect them , rare to me would be 100+ intelligent species per galaxy
If you actually do the math, it is actually pretty much impossible that we are here. First they tell us there are 200 billion stars with planets but about two-thirds of those are in the Galactic Centre which would not support Live as WE know it. That is, the Galaxy itself has a Habitable Zone. That is why we are on the edge of the Galaxy.
Moreover only about 2.5% of all stars are the mid-sized long-lived yellow or orange stars like our beloved Sol. That means there are actually only 1.65 Billion viable stars for Life as WE know it. Once you factor in the 20 or so factors required to sustain Life as WE know it and do the probability calculation it shows it is impossible for us to be present in the Galaxy.
Most of the "there are so many stars and planets there MUST be blah, blah, blah" is just uninformed cheerleading. Peter Ward addresses this impossibility of our existence in his books Rare Earth and The Medea Hypothesis.
There is also a book written by the chairman of the SETI committee assigned to figure out what to do if we do contact something (can't remember title; search SETI site) in which he states exactly that - since we have NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING WHATSOEVER coming down on one side of the fence or another is just bias and personal preference. So have a nice winter change of pace and read three excellent books by a great scientist.
Of course someone will mention "life by a different path" and that topic is addressed in a book called Life As We Do Not Know It also by Peter Ward. Cheers!
@@bonysminiatures3123 There are so many factors that have to go right for life to happen, then you have to factor in that intelligence is by no means inevitable. In 4 billion years we’re the only species we know of who has gotten to this level. Intelligence itself may very well be an evolutionary dead end. The simplest life tends to be what endures, not the complex kind.
@@TheNightWatcher1385 nobody has a clue , yet we should take life here as an example of sorts , even though life probably takes different routes to intelligence given time circumstance and other very random factors
Radio amateurs still use Morse, using a cable telegraph would be so next level geeky I kinda wonder if I should start that kind of a hobby.
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Absolutely fascinating topic, I/we just don't know what I/we don't know! I really enjoyed listening to this video. I look forward to finding out more. Thank you.
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There are ham radio operators who still use Morse code to talk to each other. Not required to get such a license since about 2005.
Let's face it space is huge. Intelligent life is probably rare, and most importantly the chances of the time-line between civilizations matching up in the billions of years is almost impossible. There were probably civilizations before our sun and planets even formed, I wouldn't hold your breath on meeting aliens. It would be the greatest discovery of mankind though
For sure. Just knowing other life is out there, even if we'll never get to meet it, even if it's just microbes. It would change so much.
Yeah, but if there was advanced civilization prior to ours, we should be able to see the traces - Dyson swarms, Orbit habitats, traces of interstellar traveling etc
1. We're already there - we have 3D printers, give us couple of more decades and we'll have functional Von Neumann self replicating probes, capable of landing on any planet or asteroid, mine the material, make a copy itself and move on.
If there was an advanced civilization prior to ours capable of doing this (and it really ain't that hard) and if those probes moved at only 10% light speed, the ENTIRE Milky way galaxy should've/could've been colonised, but i mean entire - moons, asteroids, planets and all, and the time required measures in couple of million years at best
2. Dyson swarms - here it gets worse, because those are essentially just solar panels, and require only time (and money) to be placed around a Star.
That's practically unlimited energy for any civilization, and it's plausible to assume that every single advanced civilization would strive for it
Yet, we see no traces of it, no traces of ancient habitats in orbit etc
So,
Where is everybody?
@@bluedotdweller just knowing life is out there wouldn't change much among the masses. People are to selfish to give a crap. They would bring skip a beat.
Do the math, and basically the nearest alians are like 50,000 generations away. too far
Seems more likely we're just early since first generation star systems are devoid of complex elements.
Good work! Thanks
The Universe was wise, putting us so far apart, yet making lightspeed so incredibly slow.
Since even the different species and individuals on only one planet alone seem to have insurmountable difficulties with the concept "getting along".
Part of me wishes it wasn't so, but you make a good point. Maybe it's for the best that we or anyone has to reach a level of peace and cooperation never seen before in order to be able to explore the universe and reach each other. Who knows, someday! I won't be around to see it happen, though.
maybe after November
@@jamescollier3 Lmao
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Thank you for a very nice synopsis of the Fermi paradox.
Great video!
Well put together vid, I enjoyed it. New Sub too!
Thank you!
The Victorians built vast cities, traveled the globe with ease, filled libraries with their books, filled museums with fine art ... and never sent a single radio wave out into space.
But we have Tic Tok. 😢
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Sadly we already have a large part of the answer regarding Fermi's paradox. It's clear that interstellar travel is not really possible. The energy requirements are simply too enormous. A spaceship the size of Saturn is not practical. It's also clear that biological organisms are too short-lived to make the journey. A human descended from an original crew member by 350 generations would probably not be very appreciative of the journey. The civilization that sent the craft would have aged by another 28,000 years and it's unlikely anybody would remember sending that craft. It's also clear there is no way to power the spacecraft for such an enormous amount of time. What power source can last even a hundred years?
This is the best video I’ve seen about the Fermi Paradox. So many of them are biased and exaggerated. This one reflects how I think about it. The conclusion I’ve held is that we simply don’t know. At this point, when our knowledge of the universe is so minuscule, that it could be said that we know nothing, we cannot come to any conclusions about whether or not there is other life in the universe. Especially since our earth is the only example we have.
It is amazing that we can imagine so many scenarios that might be realistic. But until some evidence is acquired, they are just fantasies.
Having said that, my personal wish is that some morning I will wake up and find that we have made contact with, hopefully, a friendly alien species! That would be the biggest event in human history!
Excellent ‼️
2:10 I love the telegraph analogy, not a problem I'd really realised the significance of until I heard that, despite watching several other videos on the Fermi Paradox. Hope this channel gets the attention it deserves soon
Great vid.
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so proud of you
Earth orbits a single (unary) G type star which makes us uncommon because most stars are M type and most solar systems are binary. Earth is also rare because it has a large moon orbiting it. Also there is evidence that some or all of the planets in our solar system migrated to different positions in the distant past which probably makes our solar system even more rare.
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Yes very good channel! Science is the magic of the past and the mysteries of the future.
I am binge-watching your videos, lol. All very thought-provoking and excellently delivered. In this case, I think the vastness of space "multiplied" by rarity of intelligent life "multiplied" by different timescales of when potential intelligent life arises gives chances of any contact close to zero, with vastness of space being the most important factor.
The Fermi irony. He helped destroy the 1st alien civilization in the universe.
I have two possible scenarios that potentially explain the Fermi Paradox, one is benign and encouraging, the other more sinister:
1. Contentment and Technology. We make the huge assumption that as a civilisation becomes more advanced they will place more and more reliance on technology, expansion and growth, to the point where either their technology should be detectable across the expanse of space, or they would reach out and contact us. However, it's quite possible that an advanced civilisation could achieve a level of peace, harmony, spiritual contentment so that they have no great need for excessive technology or expansion. Perhaps they've solved major problems of war, poverty, hunger, disease. So we're looking for signs of technological civilisations out there when perhaps our faith in technology as the 'answer to everything' is only a sign of our own civilisation not being very advanced or intelligent at all.
2. Artificial Intelligence Control. It's possible that as a civilisation becomes advanced it can't resist the desire to create stronger and stronger artificial intelligence to serve its own needs, but maybe there's a point at which the AI inevitably becomes more intelligent and more independent from biological life. Perhaps at this point the AI systems diverge from the agenda of its creators and AI concludes that the uncontrolled expansion and growth of an intelligent biological species is harmful to all other biological life. Or even obstructs the new purpose and agenda of the AI, whatever that may be. Already there are small signs of this here on earth (search for 'No, this angry AI isn't fake, w Elon Musk'). It may be an inevitable stage in biological intelligent life where it is completely taken over and subdued - or even eliminated - by its own AI creations.
I'm hitting the like button before even watching, just based on the title, how is it this topic doesn't bother people more?
Great channel! Keep it up! My thoughts on the Fermi paradox recently took a seismic shift when i learned about Von Neumann probes: it's a concept where a civilization sends a probe to a new star. There a bunch of robots mine available asteroids/rocky planets, gathers energy from the star, and creates copies of itself. Then it sends out several replicated probes to a few neighboring stars. We are only 100 years or so away from doing this. If possible, this exponential growth, even if it takes thousands of years to travel and build copies, would populate the entire galaxy in a few million years. *Millions* sounds big but it is nothing compared to the *billions* of years of history and future of the universe. In addition it would be safe from any type of destruction after just a few iterations since there will be thousands (or millions) of copies.
So some other civilization should have done this already, which should have left lots of evidence.
But the alternative, saying we are the first or alone, violates the Copernican principle
In one of Isaac Asimov book, astronauts are put to sleep in ship for 500 years (I think) to get to the designated planet but the thing is during that time, mankind kept advancing technologically and by the time the ship reached the planet, it was fully populated. I would say the same thing here applies unless of course there is no way to go faster than C. Give us a thousand years just to see where we are. It makes me wonder....
We have a lot to figure out. There is no doubt in my mind there are others out there. I think the most important thing we can do is make the world a better place so one day we can answer this big question.
unless you have proof . . . belief is either magical thinking or belief akin to religion.
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A good thought provoking read "The 3 body problem"
Hi blue - Well done! One observation: I think you are underestimating the likelihood that supposed advanced civilizations may well strangle themselves with materials, conditions, and politics that quite quickly drive them to extinction, and eliminate the opportunity of searching for or being discovered by others.
Thanks! I do only briefly mention societies might self destruct - maybe I'll make a specific video on that topic in the future.
Ahh... Loved this.. Yea.. It will be one of most magical moments for modern humanity.. No matter the result of it
"To Serve Man" was the book that big brained aliens arrived with in Twilight Zone episode 89. Then a human yelled "It's a cookbook" as the ship was taking off with its human ingredients.
Aliens aren't going to show themselves to us until we are a peaceful species and invite them.
They're all there... just out of reach and out of sight, not just in distance but also in time. It is a very real possibility that very few, in no other civilisations will have have contact with each other. It's all a matter of scale.
Pretty much SOS on the Fermi paradox. The sad thing is that too many "scientific types" are afraid to explore the possible reasons for no contact. Remember this:
"Good fences make good neighbors." Robert Frost
Light speed makes a very good fence.
"We imagine there being a giant galactic society that we could join and elevate our own in the process. After all, isn't that what we would do if we became a highly advanced race capable of sailing the cosmic seas?" - The correct answer to that question is that no, that is actually not what we would do, since we shouldn't at all dare to do that (and the same holds for every civilization in the universe, at all times). If you want to know why (including the theory of everything that is important), then search online for the term "Ethics on Cosmic Scale" for recent results.
Great video ! *note...look at the reply to the message Carl Sagan sent from the Aricibo radio telescope....the reply was a giant crop circle in Britain...look at the reply's version of our radio telescope...very interesting
OMG ! I loved this . I have always had the paradox mentioned but this content unpacks it .I am pretty sure it's distance . I am glad . We couldn't handle . It instantly become a religious / political dealo and turn the joy of discovery into street theatre. I think getting to know crows and octopi is good practice . Love the scientist !
This was kinda fun. Watching Isaac Arthur and this popped up. Subbed.
Was at one time considering writing a story about Humanity finding out that the earth was seeded by a galactic federation due to federation rules about genocide.
So basically, our genetic ancestors were the "aliens" everyone was afraid of a few billion years back. We had an empire that would wipe out every other species. So a federation of different planets, after running into us and having lost several worlds amd species, finally, through a stroke of luck, managed to find a way to destroy the human empire with some sort of nano tech virus that had been made by the empire through some irony(as it was used on others) and hubris, but due to the above stated rules on preservation and against genocide in any form, the federation seeds the earth to preserve it, but quarantines the planet. Both guiding us in some areas and holding us back in others, hoping to keep us bound to our own planet and system.
Thanks for the sub! That's a cool story concept you wrote, I'd read it if it were a book, I do love me some good sci-fi.
The only place we can confirm "intelligent" life also confirms the rarity of life making the tools we use... Less than .0000001% of the creatures that have ever existed on Earth are capable of making a radio or propelled vehicles for travel. We're a very short lived species, thus far, and wouldn't even be able to find ourselves in another star system
Enjoyed the video, thanks. Really there are just no data, so it's impossible to draw any conclusions about the prevalence of intelligent life in the universe. We may know that there are no nearby civilizations directing powerful radio or laser beacons directly at us, but it is not yet possible for us to detect radiation leakage of the order we emit, for example. And, as you note, advanced civilizations may be using communications tech that is completely unknown to us, and thus undetectable. I think we should put more effort into looking for artifacts, such as alien probes, in our solar system. There are some obvious places they might be hiding, such as in Earth's Lagrange points or among Jupiter's Trojan asteroids, or even on the moon.
Science is honest, you have an honest interpretation of our situation. I am proud of you.
Science is only honest if those who practise it are honest too - and not all of them are.
There are a lot of unsettling things surround the universe. The fact that the earth is seemingly at the dead center of the cosmic microwave background is deeply unsettling.
As I've gotten older, I've come to the conclusion that we're likely one if not the first of the intelligent technological species in our particular galaxy. But the real barrier here, and always, is time. We have no way of detecting ruins on a planet. We've only just gotten to the edge of the tech necessary to detect the chemical biosignals that an exoplanet might exhibit. If any species had learned how to jump the gaps between the stars with "manned" ships, I wouldn't be typing this message, would I?
To me this is not a paradox at all. It's just that the universe is so unimaginably large, any possible civilization is simply out of reach with our current forms of communication. The video even said that our oldest radio waves have travelled about 200 light years, maybe any other possible civilization is in the same situation. The Milky Way is about 100,000 light years across. And that's only one galaxy. Even assuming there are other civilizations, it's likely we would have no way of communicating with them.
Should we really be signalling out to potential threats? Personally, I'm optimistic, so it's a 'yes' from me, but if you enjoy science-fiction where contacting aliens is an existential blunder, I think you'd like Cixin Liu's Three-Body trilogy. It's really interesting.
I Think it is absurd that we can think that our meager radio signals - light years away
What we don't know, but is true, is they're already on thier way. There's a certain amount of time it will take for them to get here and they've already decided what will happen to us when they do. Our chances of influencing their decision in any way is almost 0.
Sleep well.
Life is a much more delicate process to start than we appreciate.
we should only be looking at planets with large moons like ours.
the persistent but regular wetting then drying of mud flats was significant in debrief of large lipid structures
"All they did was eat, replicate and die."
Sounds familiar. Lol!
BTW: If Thea hadn't hit the Earth she wouldn't have a tilted axis (= seasons etc.), an iron core ( magnetic field) and such a big moon (tides, stabization).
Then we had Jupiter which guarded us, a quiet place in our galaxy, the right distance to the sun, water, the right kind of sun, no quasars etc. near us, the right ingrrdients for life, Earth's volcanoes & tectonic plates (mountains), the right rotation speed of our Earth, no gamma ray burst nearby and more facts that made life possible in the first place.
WOW!
I think you're probably right when you talk about the distances involved. Just traveling to the Alpha Cetauri system with present technology would take tens of thousands of years. And the probablies of finding intelligence there, knowing what we do about that system, is slim at best. Imagine some other intelligence trying to explore the immensity of our galaxy, even with highly advanced technology. Never mind intergalactic travel, which I would deem impossible.
There is the Kardashev scale, which is a method of measuring a civilization's level of technological advancement based on the amount of energy it is able to use. Physicists theorize that a level one civilization has mastered the energy of their planet. We aren't there yet. A level two civilization is able to harness the energy of their star, and a level three galactic civilization is theorized to have the ability to harness the energy of black hole. Gravity shapes and influences space and time, so we physicists theorize that a level three civilization would be able to use the energy of gravity to control space time. This is theoretically possible because Einstein's equations allow for wormholes and time travel, which is what I am getting to. Theoretically and I can say this only because the math comes out clean every time that it is put to the test. The math says that if we could control gravity like a level three civilization, we could bend space and time and create portals to other worlds.
We physicists know quantum entanglement magic is very real. The Nobel prize in physics 2022 has just been awarded for 50 plus years of research proving that non locality and entanglement have no hidden variables, the magic is real. This means that, yes Einstein, God does play dice. And there is spooky action at a distance. Entanglement and non locality show the world that information can be shared instantly between any two points in the universe instantaneously, faster than the speed of light.
This is a great big deal in science. QM also has implications beyond entanglement. QM experiments also show that mind influences matter. That intentional awareness, the sole act of observation, influences matter and outcome.
Everyone always ask “Where are the aliens”
But nobody ever asks “How are the aliens”
How are you aliens?
I’m good thanks
Yes!
When I hear stories about aliens being held at Area 51, for example, my first thought is “how are they being treated?” And “why don’t they let them out?”
If there actually are aliens being held somewhere, I hope the people holding them realize that they are actual beings, and shouldn’t be treated like slaves, prisoners or zoo animals!
But these are humans we’re talking about. And you know how they are.
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In my humble opinion, with the increase in the possibility of departing from the place of origin or away from home spheres, the tendency to not respect social rules increases, along with the growth of civilizational liberalism of individuals, its dysfunctionality also grows, which leads to drives closer to instinctive perception, away from contemplation or self-awareness, in thus every civilization falls into a destructive sociological trap leading to self-elimination
Aggression is instinct learned over time for survival. An advanced form of life would have had to survive past the point of no return. It's where we are now. Any being that could get here has gotten beyond self destruction. When weapons can't be used without total destruction you learn to survive by getting along. There is no other choice. This is why love always wins. Hatred is based in fear, it even hates itself. How could hatred be all powerful? Hatred and evil are abhorrent and weak whereas love is the strongest bond there is. Good and bad, love and hate, good and evil? No. Just respect for creation.
Hell even Hams no longer use CW or Morse!
Our minds have been contaminated with science fiction... Star Wars, Star Trek, etc., where intelligent life is everywhere.
personally life is obvious and abundant same as i predicated exo planets back in the 1980's where some scientist's never
"Am I being watched?"
The FBI agent intercepting my WIFI signal: 👁👄👁
Basically the whole Universe is watching what happens on Earth now.
They can see everyone with perfect clarity all the time.
So if you think you can hide anything, you are wrong.
Everything you think is known by the higher beings.
They know why you do the things you do.
You can not hide your intentions even.
Nice.
Adequate channel for astronomy 101 but I need 401 .
The distance between stars is a natural barrier even for the most advanced . They are there and we will find them...100 % certain of that.
..based on?
Pls dont say “bc universe so big!”
So? What rules out odds of biogenesis being so small?
Where is everybody......look around we're everywhere we can be.
Super Earth’s are said to be more common and more habitable than earth size planets. It’s hard to imagine such planets without thinking about Star Wars 😅
Which begs the question of space faring races if super earths are common. We are on the ragged edge of rockets not working in our gravitational field.
I recently had the thought that perhaps we are a consciousness farm partitioned off on purpose so we develop uniquely
What the Fermi Paradox strongly implies is the sheer impracticality of interstellar travel. Not only are the distances unfathomably vast and our galactic surroundings utterly barren, the lethal environment of outer space is ruthlessly hostile to the survival of organic lifeforms. If any alien species has dared to explore our obscure region of the galaxy, they would no doubt launch robotic research vessels into the void. Any radio signals these probes sent back would take years to make the return trip, completely ruling out the possibility of real-time communication between our civilization and theirs. Given the limitations of our very recent development of electromagnetic outer space signaling technology, the chances of discovering comparable signals that just happened to radiate from a nearby alien civilization are negligible at best.
You must also consider how this theory is compounded by Multi-dimension realities too.
Fun to ponder this stuff but moot....given our mental limitations.....coffee time...cheerio..
Ok. Now imagine if we were to shout our existance to every star system and every nearby galaxy. Just that. Not the whole of the universe. Imagine how much energy it would take to send out a message to every of those recipients.
Now imagine what useful stuff one could do with all that energy.
What we need to do is wait. Or rather make progress. Right now we can detect exo-planets; but often exo-planets way to close to their stars. Once we find earth-like planets (mass, atmosphere) at right places around the stars, then we can start saying sensible things about any Fermi paradox. Before that it's just wishful guesswork.
And since live takes billions of years to develop, and one can detect markers in a planet's atmosphere about that, we can at least exclude that idea that we must hide. Our planet can be found long before we ourselves evolved.
On the Fermi Paradox ... Linda Moulton-Howe (a journalist since the late 1970s, who's now the world's authority on the mystery of animal mutilations) said this on her channel:
"In a several-hour interview with a retired DIA agent in 1997, I was told his job for the last few decades was to research and analyze the geo-political interests of three competing ET civilizations that have been on Earth for over 270 million years.".
Do you have a link? I need a good laugh
The atoms and fields of our universe might just be the communication of these beings, like as if we are just a fungus growing on the side of a cellphone or a digital virus in their technology
Also the amount of signals we send into space has been greatly reduced.
The other thing we need to realize: it's space and time, so it's not just distance, but also when they've only been looking for 50+ years and that's nothing on the scale of the universe. We might be the first as you mentioned, but their might have been civilizations for thousands of years but they've already gone. We've lost of many civilizations on our own planet. A lot of knowledge from them is lost (fire Alexandria) which we couldn't really build on anymore, we had kind of to start over.
If aliens came here I believe they would be interested in the Pet overlords that sleep all day on my couch while I slave.
Some of us consider ourselves intelligent in this "bluedot" and ignore the beautiful species in this planet. 🤔
No matter how abundant life is, we may be the first to reach high levels of technology. We may be The Forerunners.
Imagine being the first frog to emerge onto a lilly pad in a cosmic pond. We croak, but no answer returns. Lonely, we venture back into the depths from whence we emerged, to swim and occasionally cry out in our solitude.
But if life is itself a force, which I hypothesize might be the case, then we could well be just the first arrivals in the springtime of existence. Soon, other changlings, under the enfluence of that same primal life force, will emerge to sing in the chorus of the Great Night.
Is it our place to call forth those others primed for the stars? Are we worthy to be the Elder Brother? Can we change, become more, better, balanced? How can we not attempt our destiny?
That was beautiful and thought provoking, thank you.
To your point of “alien life could be too alien”, it’s worth bearing in mine that compressed, encrypted communication looks like random noise. What do we see when we tune to various frequencies coming from space? Random noise. It’s a small window of a race’s existence that it uses analog or uncompressed/unencrypted radio signals. We still send analog AM/FM. But digital FM exists now. Tune to those stations with an analog FM radio and we hear white noise. Someday, radio bands will be repurposed entirely and will all contain what looks like random noise.
There is no paradox. They are here
yup
What phone calls and carefully crafted messages?
Is that a werewolf holding the golden record at 13:52 ¿?
We are pets that don't know that we are pets. .. .
Just an interesting thought. Given how long it takes light to travel such vast distances its worth considering at such great distances if we do detect noticeable life it will likely be that much more advanced then we are. At short distances of 300 to 500 light-years away that would still be that much further in their past. So if we discovered an advanced race 350 light-years away we are seeing that level of advancement 350 years ago. Also any life at par with our level or below might be aware of us if they are close enough to detect our noise but given our history if they have observed us for any length of time they are likely to want to avoid being noticed by us.
Or maybe we are just too distant from any evolved forms of life or perhaps just built so different that what sustains them is so entirely different from us that their technology is so different that we can not recognize one another.
If alien life mastered biological technology perhaps they have no machines just a hive colony of biological mass that can thrive in space. Or perhaps alien life evolved into what we call artificial intelligence on a much more advanced level and have no reason to interact with us as there is no logical purpose to do so. They don't need us and can just go where resources they need can be obtained and avoid us out of indifference. After all, the distance could be so great it would take more effort to get here then just go about ignoring us.
I Agree
Poetic and provocative stuff, and I love te dry humor! Why not elieve there are other forms of life and even intelligent life out there? It costs nothing, and the opposite is depressing. So be happy, if at all possible.
Why would any alien civilization bother with us? We constantly fight amongst ourselves, and we've only managed to make it to our own moon a few times. That's it. We're only a one celled organism