Heysel Stadium Disaster ( 29 May 1985)
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- Looking back on the tragic night in Brussels. Interviews with Phil Neal, Peter Hooton, Les Lawson & Ian Rush. Part of the 100 Days That Shook The Kop series in 2002.
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Liverpool fans charged a family enclosure where neutrals were based. How shameful
Because they were attacked. Read the facts idiot
+John Cornell yeah 50yr old women and young boys, what a hero you are.
@John Cornell
There have been investigations into the disaster and everything you said is false.
1) That was a neutral area filled with expat Juve supporters and many of whom came with their families.
2) Ultras were in a different section you absolute prick.
3) The claims about stones being thrown have never been properly substantiated and more importantly, people actually did die of beating and even stabbing.
@@kc13832 You any proof of that?
And you were there was you Rob ?
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It wasn't our fault it was Chelsea, Italians, and Uefa Like La Basically
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bollocks
Yeah… bunch of Tossers
I'm not a football fan, but I am from Liverpool. I constantly hear my dad make similar excuses. Even if the ground wasn't up to stratch, police presence was low, the fence was dodgy etc, nobody would have died if a group of Liverpool fans didn't charge at the opposing side.
I'm not of the school of thought to demonise the club or their supporters en masse - as someone who doesn't care abou football, I could just as easily tarnish all football supporters with the same brush - but, for Gods sake, just take some fucking responsibility.
The police thought it was a football match they didn't know it was a war.
The ones responsible were jailed
Blame everyone but themselves! Take responsibility for YOUR actions
Juventus fans blame Liverpool they turned their backs on them at Anfield.
As Liverpool NEVER said sorry every excuse in the book.
@@stephenholmes1036You're about 14 years late, weirdo
We should have done taken responsibility i wasn't born so can only see what i saw but people responsibility was put in jail what poilcemam was jailed for killing 97 people by opening the gate ? And lied for 30 years how he lived with himself was disgusting @@stephenholmes1036
phil neal "i was dying to play" choose ur words divvy
He can make that claim, he was there.
Shocked Peter Hooton and other scousers are blaming the authorities. Phil Neil: " I want to know who's to blame" [....] I still feel hurt that somebody's to blame". Take account of your own actions. Have the moral courage to say, our club's responsible.
peter hooton is on my facebook friends hes a jumped up person ,tried to speak to him but then ignored me
Who’s Phil Neil ?Do you mean Neal ? Writing shite and concentrate on your own team. It’s boring now.Hooton though has always been up his own arse and doesn’t speak for many, many, many of us.
So what did Phil Neal do wrong ?
First thing they do is blame the stadium. You must take responsibility for your actions.
Who ? EUFA ???? You’ve never been a final, never experienced euphoria never mind tragedy. What a tit, tell your mum I said it.
I never comment on these things but this is a pretty shocking video. Wasn't expecting so many excuses. Bottom line is if the hooligans don't charge, 39 people don't die. So sad. Badly misjudged video.
If the hooligans don't throw and abuse Liverpool fans, they don't charge. Control the crowd properly none of it happens
+Matthew Collins That's a strange logic. You could keep going back to the nth degree and say "well, if the parents of the fans that were calling other fans names had never met, the name callers would never have been born in the first place and this would never have happened". I understand if you're a Liverpool fan or from Liverpool, you may want to see things from your point of view but the rest of the world knows what happened and it doesn't resemble how this video tells it. It's not about finger pointing, but videos like this distort the truth.
+Kevin Myles Its not a strange logic. Are the Liverpool fans meant to just stand there getting bottles and bricks launched at them. Their response was bad, but make no mistake about it, Juventus hooligans started the chain of events and provoked them in the extreme. And thats well established fact.
+Matthew Collins OK.
+Kevin Myles Don't get me wrong some Reds fans were a disgrace. And it's terrible what happened. I just get annoyed when people just make out it was Liverpool hooligans murdering Italians. That wasn't what happened. It was an unfortunate chain of events, bad behaviour and totally incompetent authorities and police.
This is the exact reason why the majority of people hate Liverpool and their fans. Not admitting responsibility, no apologies, no regrets. Despicable.
The Liverpool manager apologised on that night on behalf of the club
@@shredder9536oh that makes it alright then
@wrightyafc I'm replying to a comment that said there was no apology you helmet
@@shredder9536no official apology from the club. Do you remember when Juve came to Anfield the Liverpool put up a plaque and made a pregame announcement.
The Juve fans all turned their back ... Too little too late. Liverpool have made enemies for life
2 lots of fans wanted a fight and they got one.
Maybe Peter & Les should have actually thought about what they said before they said it.
Disgusting this, they sound like they were the ones who were sinned against. LFC fans charged at Italians who didn't want to fight, who ran away, but still were chased. Everton fans had it right about LFC "offended by everything, ashamed of nothing". A disgrace to England & Britain.
It's likely the ones interviewed didn't do anything.
Your team is owned by a county that slaughters a lot more people than who died at Heysel
@@sophieleonard6648 Imagine not being grown up enough to take some responsibility, haha.
Always the victims
Ask your friend Andy who is an Everton fan and wrote a book about being at heysel and throwing bricks at juv fans
Always the victims, its never your fault!!! this video makes me sick, Liverpool fans should be disgraced with their excuses
What excuses ? watch this video and you will see, they basically say it was everyone elses fault other then the liverpool fans, who in truth is the ONLY reason what happened happened. And what victims are these you talk about??
Nice, i'll give u that one haha
Silly immature comment
get fucked woodssm32
Woods you Arsehole,change the record you bellend,
OMG Phil Neal is upset that Fagan didn't get a nice sendoff...
Run along. Your sister is waiting...
Yeah and Ian rush saying they was unlucky to lose the game
@johnb9624 the cheating cvnt of a ref gave a penalty for a tackle out side of the box. Clearly you know nothing.
Hansen smiling before KO
Horrible club disgusting fans
this is sickening.
This is one of the most pitiful things I've ever seen.
drunk animals Liverpool fans attacked simple spectators (not ultra violent), even knowing that in sector Z there were families, women, children, Italians, Belgians, French, English sportsmen, in fact even a British citizen died in the crowd, 4 Belgians, 2 French, a Northern Irish, 3 sports fans of the Inter, an 11-year-old boy ... congratulations to the Liverpool fans and to the English sports and political instructions who continue to deny the responsibilities of their alcoholics compatriots. The decidion to play was made from belgian authority,ti avoid worse accidents....this is the true
So basically it was the fault of the stadium and the police with a bit of uefa thrown in!! hmmmmm
are you really that narrow minded. put ALL the Facts together then come back
+Neill Dunne As above, only part he missed is Juventus hooligans starting the whole thing.
Matthew Collins juventus started fuck all Liverpool charged a neutral section which had families there
Andy cox was the reporter there on the day,,typical arsehole
I don't know if you know this, Joe, but when Heysel was chosen to hold the final, Peter Robinson, Liverpool's CEO, sent telexes to UEFA demanding that they change the venue because it was clearly unfit. When UEFA officials visited the Heysel in the February of 85, it was a freezing cold day and they didn't even bother to leave the VIP Lounge to go outside and inspect the stadium. Also, Block Z, supposedly reserved for "neutral fans", do you not know that Belgium has a huge Italian community - including many Juventus supporters - and the tickets for that section ended up in the hands of touts and travel agents?
Check your facts then come back to me.
and that is exactly why certain football fans will always be small minded and intellectually challenged.
So sickening to hear all these excuses without any condemnation for the way the Liverpool fans behaved
They aren't excuses, they are facts about what happened. From guys who were there. It's a fact Juve hooligans started it all by hurling items and abuse at Reds fans
Matthew Collins that happened in every stadium in Europe at the time sometimes fans would throw bricks at the players it is no excuse
@@cockywatchman1976 that's a fact for you guys, maybe. For the rest of the world who is not from Liverpool, nor from England in general, it's the disgusting behaviour of Liverpool fans that literally led to the deaths of so many people. We all know what happened. But by all means, continue being delusional.
@@aspadiamanti5677 Not really. Juventus facts were throwing stuff, taunting and abusing Liverpool fans. The Liverpool fans retaliated by charging (not to be condoned, but as a direct result of the Juventus fans actions). The Juventus fans ran away, crushing there own-due to terrible stadium and poor policing. It was multi factor-to just accuse Liverpool fans is ridiculous
@@cockywatchman1976 yes, Liverpool fans retaliated by charging. Juventus fans, on the contrary, did NOT charge. They run. And they were killed. That's the fundamental difference. So, of course we are going to accuse the fans that actually charged and not the ones who run and got killed. This is simple logic. It was Liverpool fans that penetrated the section Z (I think it was Z)and attacked the other people like animals, so of course it is their club that was going to get the bad reputation and be accused by the rest of the world, which is exactly what happened. Were Liverpool fans the only factor that led to the loss of life? No. Was the behaviour of Liverpool fans the catalyst to the loss of life? Yes. Were Juventus fans the victims of this, and nothing more? Yes. Literally the whole world can understand this simple fact, EXCEPT Liverpool fans.
Disgrace blaming everyone else but themselves. Hillsborough was a cover up by the police which wasn't fair on the 96 that died but this was the Liverpool's supporters fault. Disgusting how there even trying to cover it up. Rip 39 you don't hear them saying to much about them on social media
They aren't trying to cover it up or excuse blame. They are stating the facts. Juventus fans started the abuse, throwing objects and provoking the reds fans. The Reds fans reacted badly. But the whole thing was started by Juventus hooligans. These are the facts. The disaster then happened because of the ground and organisation. To blame Liverpool fans for it all is totally ridiculous and wrong.
+Matthew Collins Always the victims
09:35 "It would have been better to call the game off." There would have been absolute carnage inside and outside the stadium if they that. And probably more people killed.
Why would it
Never their fault
Liverpool are Scum
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@@lfciiii1802 matt Busby was a Liverpool captain you cretin
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Does anyone know the sales figures for whitewash on Merseyside?
Went to that stadium in 1976 to watch westham in cup winners final and the ground was in poor condition even then
Arsenal played the 1980 ECWC final there and described it as a dump. Both clubs in the lead up to the final called for the game to be switched to a better stadium
Liverpool fan here and agree. This video isn't a great look for Liverpool. Lots of things were not right that night but hooligans are hooligans and they caused it. It shames me and the club. Rest in peace the 39.
I'm Italian,I'm Juventus fan..
is all sad..all excuses..
we have 39 Angels in the sky.
NO FRIENSHIP WITH LIVERPOOL...
FORZA JUVE..!!!!!
I am from Liverpool and a Liverpool fan. Why would you not want to be friends with me? I 11 years old and watched it on TV. You have to face the fact that lots of factors caused this disaster. Including Juve fans throwing missiles and abusing our fans
"Juve fans throwing missiles.."are you drunk??
ahah..English people are very strange..the reality is not a thing..real for you.
Silence and Respect,please.
+i consigli del Colonnello So you insult all English people. Maybe this kind of attitude was what caused the problem. And yes, Juve hooligans and cowards were throwing items
..you don't know the story..Juventus hot fans..were not near the Liverpool fans..near Liverpool fans,only families with children.
+i consigli del Colonnello Wrong YOU don't know the FACTS. It was a mixed zone. And 90% of tickets had been bought by locals and sold to Italians. Stop talking crap
This is sickening to watch. All of them should be ashamed of themselves! Not once is any responsibility taken on the Liverpool side. You can moan all you like about the ground and the police but it's bullshit. This doesn't happen and never has at cricket and rugby grounds
List of reasons why the Heysel Stadium disaster took place:
1. The hooligan behaviour of Liverpool fans.
End of the list.
As a liverpool fan... I firmly understand that it is not any of the club's decision to pick the stadium and location of the final showpiece... So inspections were a portion of the UEFA board...
Also, LFC board should take responsibility and make amendments as the LFC were the ones who attacked the "Old Lady" fans...
In Crises like this, each party involved should admit and take responsibility on behalf of their fans behavior, so that there should be peace for future reference...
ATVNYF.......the video was not 30 seconds in and the Victims were making excuses.
The condition of the ground is all the more reason not to charge or cause trouble
Liverpool fans blame the authorities again
Idiot
@@cockywatchman1976 Ignore him, Matthew. He's a wanker.
The fact is some Juventus fans were pelting Liverpool fans with bottles of piss in section z where both Juventus and Liverpool fans were situated.... Liverpool responded by charging those Italian's which caused panic among innocent Juventus fans who then ran to avoid any violent confrontation which ultimately resulted to them innocents running to their deaths....RIP....
People don't like hearing the uncomfortable truth, but the truth is Juventus fans were killed by the cowardice of other Juventus fans.
Why did uefa give a third of that end away to so called neutrals?? You have no disaster if Liverpool were given all of that end
yam yam alright come to wolves ill tell you the true story of heysel
@@supahdupahguy81Codardia? Hanno caricato famiglie e anziani, non la tifoseria vera e propria della Juventus che era sul lato opposto. Vorrei vedere te con tuo padre anziano o tuo figlio cosa avresti fatto. La vera vigliaccata l'hanno fatto gli ubriaconi di Liverpool.E ancora cercano scuse.....
How can you say it's UEFA fault?
It was Liverpool fans fault for charging and crushing fans. Typical
And you were there, were you? Because those lads WERE. And UEFA are certainly culpable in this. It was they who chose the stadium, knowing it was a tip. It was they who allocated tickets for "neutral" fans, blissfully unaware that Belgium has a huge Italian community - many of whom were Juve fans - and those tickets would end up in the hands of touts and travel agents. It was they who failed to inspect the stadium properly.
Get your facts right in future.
Michelle-Louise Burrows always the victim.
@@chopchop16100 And you are always the inbred...
Michelle-Louise Burrows lol scouse people can’t talk about been inbred
@@matthewkilcoyne7217 Could you repeat that in English, please...?
I hate hypocrites, i hate liverpool, offended by everything, ashamed by nothing. And it would have been hilarious if not tragic to hear those LFC small-brained fans saying something like "the ground was falling apart and we wanted to attack the italians (who didn't want to fight) but they runed away and died because of the crumbling stadium, but for not particular reason". Those poor murderers...
Also the 80's where the height of English football violence...
I simply going to write I would not have tried to run away and stampede over my fellow fans thus endangering their lives. You can take that however you like.
am afraid but these normal supporters were running away from other the reds with knives,bottles , iron bars and all sorts
Justification makes the guilty feel better. Wow, what a pathetic piece of garbage this video is.
as a fan of rugby and not football, it horrifies me to see these disasters happening, people trying to apportion blame on everyone else, football has always had a hooligan element, idiots hell bent on spoiling it for everyone else, but nobody deserves to be crushed to death at an event that is supposed to be enjoyable. football violence needs to be examined, better preparation for crowd control should have been in situ, its a terriblr tragedy that shouldnt have happened in this day and age.
"as a fan of rugby and not football"
I stopped reading here. It just shows how small-time fans of rugby are that the only way they feel they can get one-up on football is to come to disaster vids & make comments which have that undercurrent of typical rugby classism.
At the end of the day, rugby is sport designed by mutants, for mutants......and at least football didn't express implicit support for facist & racist regimes in France & South Africa respectively, unlike rugby.
A minority of Liverpool fans caused this but lets not forget that juventus weren't exactly angels that night either plus the police and uefa should take a portion of the blame.
Never your fault guys
There more to.Hysel than meets the eye
Anyone die there before that match
It was fuck all to do with 200 scousers steaming the Juventus end
I Think everyone is missing the point here, im not saying that Liverpool supporters did nothing wrong they did , but start from the beginning , Ground was shit , seggeration was shit , ticket distrbution was shit , U E A F A and Italian and English F A also got it wrong.There was lots of football riots not just in the U K but everywhere in Europe but it was the English who were in the papers all the time .
There was lots of rioting elsewere in Europe but noboady said anything about this, yes Liverpool were banned but no other club should have been , this was down to that bitch Maggie Thatcher.
YES im so sorry for what happend there and im not defending the Liverpool supporters for what they did , but it started from the very top .
A disgraceful show of classic narcissism, this video is!
Whos fans went to Gaol for manslaughter!
These people commenting on this, giving Liverpool FC and our fans stick - yes, I AM a Liverpool supporter and proud of it - should listen to what these lads are saying because THEY WERE THERE. Were you lot? Yes, I hold my hands up and am willing to say some - not all - of our "fans" were to blame but UEFA stand accused of many crimes.
So why didn’t Peter show his ticket. Proper twat him. No feelings remorse nothing. Pricks like him. Is why you are seeing the comments
@@markredmond59 Because, and this is confirmed by those who were at Heysel, even though they had their tickets present, no one was there to take them.
@@michelle-louiseburrows2248 so why didn’t he show. Said it’s a home. Like a kid saying to his teacher. Homework is at home sir. He’s full of shit. No remorse or feeling for the dead. Still sings Munich songs him.
@@markredmond59 I think you'd better be careful what you say unless you have proof that Peter sings those songs...
@@michelle-louiseburrows2248 I just know. I heard a whisper. He votes Tory. Most people with a few quid do.
Peter Hooton..........................
so, because the barrier between the fans was not good, they blamed the barrier. not the idiots crushing the opposiution????
I hope you got your 'payment' for appearing in this video Phil Neale ??
Typical Liverpool fans, blaming everyone else but themselves - as usual
the video in interesting and bring proofs to my theory about that tragedy (I was 15 years old that day) : everyone was let in the Stadium with our without a ticket. The sector with Liverpool fans was more than packed. The day was hot to be Brussels in May. The tragedy unfolded quickly. The small sector occupied by Italians and others nationalities (but Juve fans to my understanding) got scared of the big red wave moving towards them, a bit because of the hooligans but mostly because of lack of room where the Reds were. Liverpool and English fans in general did not hold a great reputation at that time in Europe. There were good reasons to be scared of them. So the tragedy unfolded, with the huge complicity of the the Belgian authorities and UEFA that decided before hand to give that match to such a stadium. But now it is time to forgive and move on. For everyone.
not sure you know what you talking about ms Leonard. Sector X Y and Z was full of you red guys, then a minority composed by families coming from Italy or from other Countries. Even an Irish man died, and three Belgian. The most of the Juve fans were in other sectors of the stadium, not in sector Z. Do a bit more of research and take a deep breath. The issue of the Italian cowards then would just demonstrate that you consider the Reds responsible for the massacre as they push them into death. On the contrary, what happened is very much different from what you think, you know almost nothing of what happened that day and you just bla-bla-bla. Also, 5.000 from Liverpool were let into the sectors Y and X without a ticket. The pressure of the crowds was enormous. as a ms I cannot ask your age but it seems to me you are not much aware what was football in Europe those days in the eighties. The fact that you mix Heysel with Hillsborough give me another proof that you do not really know what you talking about. Hillsborough is a total different tragedy. Dynamics are so different from Heysel.
@@sophieleonard6648
Rubbish.
look what happens in euro 2016,only with them!get out of earth!
There are so many uneducated people in this comment section.
Tell me something, why do you think Liverpool fans charged the fence? Did you see the attacks on the Liverpool fans up to 2 hours before the game?
It's a shame people use a disaster to try and score brownie points as a dig towards Liverpool fans.
Shameful.
u been smashing the whole city center for two days before the match shut the f up little tw.at
bang on . far too many just want to blame liverpool fans when it was mix of stuff to blame
This so called documentary is the most disrespectful account by people representing LFC, phil neal and the other clowns show no remorse or even admit any responsibility by LFC for the tragedy that claimed 39 lives. This is embarrassing and shameful for liverpool and their fans which I'm sure most of them would never act in the manner that a section of them did on that fateful evening in may '85 but a small section of them did and i feel this version of the events in their view is shameful and sad to watch. RIP 39 innocent victims
Clueless. Juventus fans weren't angels and neither were ours. To put rival fans next to each other with little segregation was ridiculous, especially with what happened to Liverpool fans in Rome the year before.
Even though English football fans are better behaved now if you didn't have the segregation, CCTV and policing there'd be major trouble. Football has always attracted idiots and always will.
'IT IS NEVER OUR FAULT!'
always drunk!girls,boys!
sad day for LFC, shame on them for causing deaths.
Such a deluded fanbase
Shame that Liverpool lost that match. RIP Patrick Radcliffe.
ma vaffaculo merda!
@@marco18979 Watsa matta u?
@@jaymeezee9422 how can you say shame that Liverpool lost that match? the teams were forced to play to prevent more deaths ,I would give that cup covered in blood back today
Excuses
they are not humains,but beasts
If there were 39 Italians sitting on a wall and one little Italian would accidentally fall then there would be 38 Italians sitting on a wall 🇮🇹 JFT 39
I was there it should ov never been played in this horrible run down stadium uafa to blame juevents fans weren't so innocent either plus it was never a penalty we stood our ground because not going to let it happen to us again like in Rome 84 MACKEM REDS..YNWA
ahahahahaahah how many beers did you drink, you bloody idiot??? after a certaing age u should stop getting drunk
JUSTICE HAS BEEN GIVEN IN 1989,THANKS GOD.89 LIVERPOOL FANS DEADS.
Scumbag.
evil to say that
The are the vilest of clubs and fans.Even Peter Robinson is on record as trying to blame Chelsea fans.
There were lots of southerners there which was unheard of at previous European finals involving Liverpool. Whether they were Chelsea or part of Liverpool's new and expanding fanbase nobody knows. There's clear footage showing a man involved wearing an arsenal shirt and others wearing England shirts, so they deffo weren't Liverpool fans
Even Hooton said recently he could name lots of the Liverpool fans who charged the Juventus section. Maybe there were some from other teams there, some Italian fans were causing violence, the stadium wasn't fit to hold a match. The fact is the charge that caused the deaths was by Liverpool fans, no amount of excuses will change that.
@@zeezee3513 fans charged rivals most games, it was the done thing. That's the whole point of the argument. Police should have been prepared.