I've ridden a KLR for 35,000, a Tiger 1200XC for 40,000 and now a Tiger 800XCa for the past 6000. I've tried almost every ADV tire including these 2. My verdict is that for the money there is no better set than a Shinko 804/805 combo. You can almost buy 2 full SETS for what one rear of these two costs. I get around 5 to 6k out of a rear and double that on the front with 50/50 riding. In my travels, the usual response from the Starbucks ADV types are that they would never run Shinkos. Elitists are everywhere I guess. Funny how I see lots of Shinkos on the high mountain passes in Colorado lately though...on all makes of bikes. No...I have never had a separation on any of my 705 or 804/805 Shinkos in almost 100,000 miles either.
Lateral grip could be better but the price can't. 2.5 pair or Shinkos for the price of one rear Conti. Dirt in Russia must be different than here in the USA. Cheers.
+1000. Had 804/5 on my Triumph Scrambler and they are brilliant, they wear more evenly than the K60s, and are really great both on and offroad...and SOOOOO cheap to replace, it's a no brainer.
Spot on, Shinkos are incredible value for money. The rest are reliant on brand name. The fact is if you run Shinkos you will probably never go back to the more expensive tyres. KLR650/GS1200 rider, cheers
Got the tkc80 on the 97 xr400 and the anakee wilds on the dr 350. I personally prefer the anakee wilds both on and off road. Nice and smooth on the road. Tkc80 good tyres, corner very well on the road and quiet. Just wheel spin everywhere in mud but thats expected from a 50/50.
That's right !! I was just thinking about it while watching the movie. And the brake test is totally wrong, because the bikes don't have the same brakes.
I've only used them for a few weeks on my new Husky 701 enduro, so it's wet and they suck on wet. I don't know if they'll last long enough so I can try to scrap the pegs on dry pavement but I'"m not sure i wanna try. :)
Great review. Thanks. I've found TKC80 to be great off-road and on-road. But they don't last more than 3000 miles. Worse still, I found that the tread blocks break off easily. At one point I had to ride 200 miles with the tyre carcass visible through a hole.
Michelin does the best tires in the world and not only for motorcycles, in my opinion. I work in Michelin factory, so I have opportunity to test many of them🙂 I think that each review should separate two things - properties/adhesion and lifetime of the tires. These two don't match each other regarding the tires. You have to choose, what is more important for you.
Anton Danielsson - entirely different carcass construction. The radial will flex more, the curvatures will be very different, the deflections will differ, creating different cornering forces and have different damping characteristics.
I drove both tires in the front, they both vibe at low speed. Its normal for a nobby on a heavy bike, isn't it ? I did 10870 km on the TKC 80 front and 9000 km on the Anakee Wild front - I think I could go to a similar mileage with the Anakee. TKC 80 rear was 7000 km - I didn't get the Anakee in the 150/70-18 size back then so I couldn't test
You do good work, nice videos. BUT in this case you've made a bit of a mistake, different suspension, height, weight, they all add up to a bit of a difference in cornering and braking. Perhaps not, but you can't really be sure you haven't made some unintentional unjustice. Keep up the good work, I like watching your stuff. My comment here is more of a "loud thinking" than harsh critic. Perhaps I just can't accept that Michelin could be in any way better than the Conti. :)
TKC 80 is not that good in wet conditions. I haven't tested the Anakee wild up to now. At the moment my favorite dualsport tyre is the Mitas E07 Dakar. Edit: Now we did test the Anakee Wild. Good, but for us definitely not better than the Mitas E07 (Dakar). The E07+ is pretty equal to the Anakee.
What size? The typical 110/90R19-150/70R17 f/r had stability issues on grooved concrete pavement and loose gravel and was discontinued in favor of E07+ which sadly doesn't lasts as much and not as good in mud.
i appreciate your videos. given the differences between the two bikes, this video is completely unscientific. the tires will wear and handle differently by the fact that the bikes differ in weight and handling -suspensions differ. i get 2500 miles from conti tkc80 on a 2016 r1200gs.
Good review. Did you ever try running the TKC80 front and Anakee Wild rear tire on either of your personal bikes? I am deciding between a pair of wilds or tkc80 front and wild rear.
The braking tests just seem to be slow because of anti dive of R1200 GS... Just for information. Maybe braking was more intense than it looks in the video
I loved my anakee wild 3s offroad but I hated them on road. They floated so bad, and every corner they felt like I was going to fall off the edge of the tire. I loved my shinko 804/805s on the road, they definitely did not hook up as well as the wilds offroad though, I had much less confidence offroad with the Shinkos. But I can't stand the floating vibration sketchyness of the wild on the road. Maybe I will try just a rear anakee. My 790 came with karoo 3s, no idea how it will be in the dirt yet.
Subjective test much? Don't tell me about hard braking till you lock up a non ABS and endo from 55 to 20mph to miss a deers haunches. Anakee 3 oversize and EBC sintered got me thru, stock dropped me before. Main takeaway, stay away from stock and run the stickiest you can afford. Doesn't hurt to feel the road with racing brakes either.
I really think the TKC80 is a waste of money. There are other tires doing the job just as well off road and better on road. Not to mention, the price is insane for the amount of use you can get. At that low millage, you might as well get a DOT true knob tire.
any michelin tyres are better than any other tyres in the same segment. they are more expensive for a reason. I have used many tyres on my yamaha xv1900 but after move to michelin i can corner hard adn drive on wet faster.
I love your videos. Please please please turn down (or off) that music. I had to skip ahead 2&1/2 minutes because it was so very annoying. I hope it doesn't start again later in the video. I want to hear your review, not go to a night club. Thanks for what you do for us consumers otherwise. 👍
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I am so over all the channels adding music !!!!
Cut the crappy music !
What is it with all the loud music while talking. Can not hear the talent for the stupid loud music!
I've ridden a KLR for 35,000, a Tiger 1200XC for 40,000 and now a Tiger 800XCa for the past 6000. I've tried almost every ADV tire including these 2. My verdict is that for the money there is no better set than a Shinko 804/805 combo. You can almost buy 2 full SETS for what one rear of these two costs. I get around 5 to 6k out of a rear and double that on the front with 50/50 riding. In my travels, the usual response from the Starbucks ADV types are that they would never run Shinkos. Elitists are everywhere I guess. Funny how I see lots of Shinkos on the high mountain passes in Colorado lately though...on all makes of bikes. No...I have never had a separation on any of my 705 or 804/805 Shinkos in almost 100,000 miles either.
I Had Shinko, but due to dirt in Russia is not a sand I have a problems with latheral slidings (bad side grip for this tires in mad)
Lateral grip could be better but the price can't. 2.5 pair or Shinkos for the price of one rear Conti. Dirt in Russia must be different than here in the USA. Cheers.
Mark Jacobs I’m new to off road riding;, I’ll give the Shenko tyre a go. Thanks for sharing your experience
+1000. Had 804/5 on my Triumph Scrambler and they are brilliant, they wear more evenly than the K60s, and are really great both on and offroad...and SOOOOO cheap to replace, it's a no brainer.
Spot on, Shinkos are incredible value for money. The rest are reliant on brand name. The fact is if you run Shinkos you will probably never go back to the more expensive tyres. KLR650/GS1200 rider, cheers
Got the tkc80 on the 97 xr400 and the anakee wilds on the dr 350. I personally prefer the anakee wilds both on and off road. Nice and smooth on the road. Tkc80 good tyres, corner very well on the road and quiet. Just wheel spin everywhere in mud but thats expected from a 50/50.
Those are two different bikes! You can’t compare them......
Yes indeed 👍
That's right !! I was just thinking about it while watching the movie. And the brake test is totally wrong, because the bikes don't have the same brakes.
I use twindouro TKC 80 and thy are the best for cornering I do touch footrest while cornering and it's superb on high speed
I've only used them for a few weeks on my new Husky 701 enduro, so it's wet and they suck on wet. I don't know if they'll last long enough so I can try to scrap the pegs on dry pavement but I'"m not sure i wanna try. :)
Great review. Thanks. I've found TKC80 to be great off-road and on-road. But they don't last more than 3000 miles. Worse still, I found that the tread blocks break off easily. At one point I had to ride 200 miles with the tyre carcass visible through a hole.
Dudes, show a picture of the rear tire wear difference.
That was hard braking??
where are the wet surface tests???
Chaparral motorsports does the best tire comparisons
Kyle is awesome!!
Michelin does the best tires in the world and not only for motorcycles, in my opinion. I work in Michelin factory, so I have opportunity to test many of them🙂 I think that each review should separate two things - properties/adhesion and lifetime of the tires. These two don't match each other regarding the tires. You have to choose, what is more important for you.
Thanks - you guys are really good to watch and you options are always balanced and sensible.
Anakee wild at the rear and TKC 80 in front without a doubt
Gerhard Combrink have you tried?
Radial front and bias ply rear? Not a good idea
@@kendrickpavey6683 why
Anton Danielsson - entirely different carcass construction. The radial will flex more, the curvatures will be very different, the deflections will differ, creating different cornering forces and have different damping characteristics.
I drove both tires in the front, they both vibe at low speed. Its normal for a nobby on a heavy bike, isn't it ? I did 10870 km on the TKC 80 front and 9000 km on the Anakee Wild front - I think I could go to a similar mileage with the Anakee. TKC 80 rear was 7000 km - I didn't get the Anakee in the 150/70-18 size back then so I couldn't test
You do good work, nice videos. BUT in this case you've made a bit of a mistake, different suspension, height, weight, they all add up to a bit of a difference in cornering and braking. Perhaps not, but you can't really be sure you haven't made some unintentional unjustice. Keep up the good work, I like watching your stuff. My comment here is more of a "loud thinking" than harsh critic. Perhaps I just can't accept that Michelin could be in any way better than the Conti. :)
TKC 80 is not that good in wet conditions. I haven't tested the Anakee wild up to now.
At the moment my favorite dualsport tyre is the Mitas E07 Dakar.
Edit:
Now we did test the Anakee Wild. Good, but for us definitely not better than the Mitas E07 (Dakar).
The E07+ is pretty equal to the Anakee.
What size? The typical 110/90R19-150/70R17 f/r had stability issues on grooved concrete pavement and loose gravel and was discontinued in favor of E07+ which sadly doesn't lasts as much and not as good in mud.
Lol
Which tire pressures did you use offroad? and onroad?
30psi on my 09 1200gsa is fine for dirt
Putting on the Conti on Front and the michelin tyre in the back
i appreciate your videos. given the differences between the two bikes, this video is completely unscientific. the tires will wear and handle differently by the fact that the bikes differ in weight and handling -suspensions differ. i get 2500 miles from conti tkc80 on a 2016 r1200gs.
Good review. Did you ever try running the TKC80 front and Anakee Wild rear tire on either of your personal bikes? I am deciding between a pair of wilds or tkc80 front and wild rear.
How was it, I am thinking about doing this too
Both of those BMWs are running shorter sidewall tires than practically any other ADV bike out there. Factor in more sidewall flex for other bikes.
The braking tests just seem to be slow because of anti dive of R1200 GS... Just for information. Maybe braking was more intense than it looks in the video
Weights of the bikes are different un comparable
heartbreaking test? oh Hard Braking, nm
Wait, is that the FPS Russian??
I loved my anakee wild 3s offroad but I hated them on road. They floated so bad, and every corner they felt like I was going to fall off the edge of the tire. I loved my shinko 804/805s on the road, they definitely did not hook up as well as the wilds offroad though, I had much less confidence offroad with the Shinkos. But I can't stand the floating vibration sketchyness of the wild on the road. Maybe I will try just a rear anakee. My 790 came with karoo 3s, no idea how it will be in the dirt yet.
Anakkee wilds are awesome tires no complaints just go ride the damm thing
one is most heavier than another. the brake test shouldn´t surprise you....
Suprising? Hm tire from the 80's compared to a modern compound tire...
Subjective test much? Don't tell me about hard braking till you lock up a non ABS and endo from 55 to 20mph to miss a deers haunches. Anakee 3 oversize and EBC sintered got me thru, stock dropped me before. Main takeaway, stay away from stock and run the stickiest you can afford. Doesn't hurt to feel the road with racing brakes either.
Performance is important who cares about the noise
I get 10000 km per set replace them both at the same time front still has plenty rear barely legal
I chose the TKC 80s in the end 😅
You did the brake test on two different bikes😂😂😂. Come on...
I really think the TKC80 is a waste of money. There are other tires doing the job just as well off road and better on road. Not to mention, the price is insane for the amount of use you can get. At that low millage, you might as well get a DOT true knob tire.
The Music is the best part of the video!! Crank it up, son!!!!
Am doar 2000 mile cu tkc 80, sunt cam duse,dar calitatea foarte superioara...le-am testat pe toate tipurile de drum,foarte bune👍🏻
De ce nu vorbiti pe romaneste? Ati avea mai multi clienti
So annoying turning up the volume to hear them speak then suddenly the music starts blaring
I tead you guys comments. Wineing girls
The wind is noise too you hear all kinds of noises guys when you ride a motorcycle it’s not a car lol
any michelin tyres are better than any other tyres in the same segment. they are more expensive for a reason. I have used many tyres on my yamaha xv1900 but after move to michelin i can corner hard adn drive on wet faster.
Fantastic, as always!
Mitas make several relevant models.
too expensive
@@stephenmwyatt2 Mitas are cheaper where I buy them than Continental and Michelin.
Please lose the loud music
ottima traduzione
Shinko 804/805 much better then all u test ftw
Turned it of when the music started playing 👎
OMG !!! so so annoying music we can´t hear you, is this a tyre review or music festival ?
👍💯👍💯👍!!!
the first 15 seg i knew it was going to be a tractor tire review....
Do not test dual on 1200GS
Enough with the hard background music! Please!
Jeeezo. Please can that Obnoxious Noise ......!!
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ce va chinuie engleza... :)))))
I really wanted to watch this but I couldn't take the too loud, shitty music. Ruined it!
Sírok az angolotokon.😂😂😂
What the Fxxx deal with the fucking music?? Every time i hear music in a test, i quit the video... NEXT!!
I love your videos. Please please please turn down (or off) that music. I had to skip ahead 2&1/2 minutes because it was so very annoying. I hope it doesn't start again later in the video. I want to hear your review, not go to a night club. Thanks for what you do for us consumers otherwise. 👍
Ok. It's back at 6 min. I'm outahere. Such a shame. You guys usually do excellent vids. Maybe next time.....
Come back, Brian, we'll lower the volume next time. :D
well, is it better? ............why do I have to listen to broken english to find out ?
stephenmwyatt2 how many languages do YOU speak?
Whinge Whinge FUCKING Whinge
Нихуя не понятно... Но очень интересно!
Kak music
TOO MUCH BLA BLA BLA!!!
I'm out, can't take the deafening, pointless music.
Why is this guy with those accents making videos in english?? Really unpleasant on ears