Look, I loved Matt Reeve's Batman movie and I thought Robert Pattinson as Batman kills it and did a great job but I would definitely sacrifice their Batman sequel just to see Ben Affleck's Batman movie
I would've kept dick Grayson alive and made him the one who comes in to help since he's the one with the rivalry with deathstroke in the comics Makes much more sense than Batgirl I would've had Barbara in there as oracle and have her replace Alfred's role after he dies
I'd rather have the Deathstroke movie than the one we got. Not saying it was bad just nothing new to Batman in the movies and Deathstroke would be a formidable foe for the big screen.
The story has a predator 87 feel to it aswell. Which is a good thing because after being defeated Batman must resort to his surroundings to defeat a more dangerous threat
For some reason, projects that never happen tend to be called greatest or worst. No one can know unless it actually happens. The production part is the hardest and most challenging part of a film. Also, I doubt it would be at least for me. Deathstroke as a main villain? JL characters in it? Batgirl? Sounds like a lot of things going on and more focused on other characters than Batman himself.
Agreed. While a lot in the movie sounded amazing to me, it also could've been too unfocused as a Batman story. One of the things I loved about The Batman is even with its lengthy runtime, it used it all to tell POV character-study that never shifts focus from Batman the whole time. I won't judge the movie based on plot details, but I would've wanted to see that for Affleck's version.
@@themadtitan7603 I've actually made my own pitch for what Ben Affleck's Batman movie could of been. It seemed to me Batfleck had issues in his past with his family especially with the death of Dick Grayson, apparently a divorce with Selina Kyle, the loss of his parents, and maybe having ties cut to Barbara after Dick died. So I wanted to adapt Son Of Batman lightly where Damian comes into Bruce's life and this becomes his second shot at fatherhood but gets mixed up when Deathstroke and Joker team up. It could be revealed that Grant Wilson, Slade's son, died when Bruce fought him because the Mira Kuru Grant would take was very unstable and Bruce pushed Grant to his limits and that caused him to die. So the story itself is about Bruce becoming a father again and reconnecting with those he's lost contact with like Selina, Babs, Lucius, and anyone else and having to accept the sins of his past which there's alot of. While also being a way to introduce Damian/Robin into the DCEU. And you could still have the third act take place in Arkham showing off many of his supervillains like Riddler, Two-Face, Bane, Clayface, Penguin, Black Mask, Hush, Poison Ivy, Firefly, and many more.
@@domgeek5632 This sounds like an amazing pitch imo and would definitely have Batfleck's emotional arc right at the centre of the plot, any story that's focused on Batman's relationship and role in the Batfamily and how a struggle within it forces him to change and grow instantly peaks my interests. I like the theme of Bruce becoming a father again after the death of his son and being involved in the death of a rival's son who's now trying to dismantle his life because of it. Him doing so through by first having to reconnect with his allies is also a good way to feature a lot of the Batfamily in fairly prominent roles. I don't remember any indication that Selina was married to Bruce at some point in BvS but it'd be again, a good way to feature an ally and have it make sense with the central throughline of the story and it's a good background for the DCEU's Catwoman who we don't about. I imagine Alfred here shows Bruce there's people that are still there for him and a father he could look up to as inspiration for himself, Gordon shows him that there's still good people left and Barbara is a child figure to Bruce in her own right which could show that he can be a good parental figure and role model to encourage him to face his demons and take up Damien by the end of the film.
I'd be very interested to see what Affleck could've done. Matt Reeves' The Batman was pretty good, but it falls apart in some places. His Batman doesn't so much figure out clues as much as he blurts out answers to riddles, and in some cases others just tell him what to do because he can't figure it out on his own. The ending was kind of forced, where Nigma had all been about justice and exposing the corruption of the city for the entire movie...until the ending where he wants to drown half the town for no good reason (kick the cat). Ben Affleck's Batman script feels more emotional and brutal.
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@@WarpingFist Agreed. Both scripts are interested in delving into Batman's psyche and I would've been intrigued to see how Affleck would've crafted a story that had his Batman go through trials and tribulations where he comes out of it a more hopeful, faithful Batman who abides by the no kill rule again.
Reeves isn’t a “bigger fan” of Batman. Why would there be no dichotomy between Batman and Bruce Wayne? It’s ridiculous and it completely misses the whole point of the alter ego aspect of the character.
Haa this movie should have been released it is like a blood raging assasin deathstroke vs old man batman this is going to be more brutal for Ben affleck batman WB should have green light this project it could have been the best batman movie ever
Just because it didn’t come to fruition, doesn’t mean it was destined for greatness. Not trying to be a hater, but the chance it would’ve been better than Matt Reeves film is extremely unlikely.
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The one time they would have made the Batfamily, they wanted to kill them off. No thank you. I would love a solo Batfleck movies but not like this. I would have made it similar to Arkham Origins but with a veteran Batman, not a rookie. The Rogues Gallery going to war against Gotham and the Batfamily to stop then would have been great. Have Deathstroke lead the Rogues and fight Batman like the game intro as the final battle. A high octane action movie like Mission Impossible, not a super dark movie like Halloween
Affleck got cheated. he was, in my opinion the best batman but was featured in subpar movies. what a shame. he had good ideas for future films too but that was a no go
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Best bad-asse Batman ever! Vengeance is not a fighting skill, what BatFleck did in the warehouse scene will go down in history as one of the best fight scenes in all of superhero history!
I privated it due to how old it was. Theres not really a point in having two videos on the same topic. Plus, I watched it and thought it wasn’t very good.
To be fair Batfleck Fight scenes is the best batman fight scene ever of all the Batman movie so far..the dude is just the batman we imagine n picture in the comic as how strong n calculated as well as fast n brutal
@@innamispirit6471 HOW in what way is he the film adaptation of the Arkham Batman at all... He's was the film adaptation of the dark knight returns Batman and justice league. Lol where the hell did you get this take from. And I'm wondering why people even agree with you
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@@jefferyflood He literally performs the same takedowns with the same movements as Arkham Batman. Any real Batman fan would immediately see Battfleck as a mixture of TDKR Batman and Arkhamverse Batman.
If I had a nickel for every time a Batman Movie was inspired by a David Fincher movie, I’d have two nickels. Which, isn’t a lot, but it’s wired that it happened twice.
This Batman film sounds like it could've been something very special, but what Matt Reeves gave us was epic. I think looking back at it, the combination of Ben's personal life (divorce from Jennifer Garner, alcoholism) along with the added pressure from fans, the media, and WB led to him not being passionate anymore about the film and wanting to get away as far as possible. This guy proved he was an amazing filmmaker, and yet WB/DC couldn't just give him the creative liberty they gave Matt Reeves to allow him to make the film as near perfect as possible? It really sounds like something of a gem.
@@markmolino679 This statement is the absolute truth and it needs to be more known among the audiences. I swear if I didn't know any better, Marvel/Disney paid off critics to purposely slander and undermine DC films. Fans and critics absolutely loved The Dark Knight Trilogy and the seriousness and realism it brought to comic book films. Then all of a sudden Joss Whedon makes Avengers 1 and lays out a template that sacrifices quality filmmaking for cheap laughs and fun to make it very accessible to mainstream audiences. Then apparently if any company didn't follow this template, the the critics would condemn the movie. Now fast forward ten years and we see what the majority of these superhero movies have De-evolved into. Marvel/Disney is literally going through it's Ouroboros stage in life and DC has been maimed ever since and self sabotaged from within. It's very sad that the right lessons weren't learned from what Christopher Nolan brought to the genre. Zack had the right idea. Had Zack started making his films right now, they would be regarded much much differently. It's really sad actually. As a life time comic reader to see so many of these films come out and not respect the source material, let alone it's own integrity as a movie. It's a little soul crushing. I do feel The Sam Raimi films and also the X-Men films had their hearts in the right place. I still cringe whenever I think about what Disney will do when they make their own X-Men films. That company is simply not the right fit for that type of comic book movie and the serious themes and drama that need to happen within them. The Fox movies may have not been perfect, but thematically they were in tact and there was some incredible acting in them as well.
@@arturocastroverde3349 I mean when Avengers 1 came out and it was close to when the Dark Knight Rises came out. It was like the complete opposite of what I though super hero movies should strive for. It was the opposite of what Christopher Nolan was doing. I think Avengers 1 and Joss Whedon set a terrible precedent that superhero movies have been following ever since. That being said I do recognize that some people would prefer their superhero movies to be more fun and not to be taken seriously. To me the only marvel movies I really enjoyed were Captain America: Winter Soldier, Thor 1, and Infinity War. I'm really not too crazy bout any of the others. And also while they followed their formula, Marvel wasn't quite off the rails as they are now. They've certainly self indulged and aimed the genre to go right off a cliff into oblivion. And don't get me started on the newest Spiderman Trilogy.... I'd take Sam Raimi or Garfield movies any day over those movies and those new Spiderman movies are like exactly the type of throw away movies I can't stand. And apparently they have a extreme hatred of upholding or using any source material whatsoever.
I can never get enough of hearing about this story. Batfleck is my favorite iteration of the character and I’ll be forever saddened he never got to do this film.
I can agree, I always thought it was strange that we never saw a mentally scarred or broken Batman in the comics, so being able to see that even if only briefly in BvS makes me happy and also sad we didn’t get this movie
Love that we got The Batman. I love the movie and that is MY Batman. But I would've definitely loved to see a horror movie esque type, seeing Professor Pyg in that concept art would've been awesome to see that looks so creepy
@@zenthenerdgamer4649 More noir/ classic Gotham style than horror. Reeves knocked it out of the park with that movie, but I still would have loved to see Ben's film too. I could definitely see the Reeves Batman sequels crossing into the horror element if they ever explore characters like Clayface, Mad Hatter, and Scarecrow. Killer Croc and Man Bat if you wanna go the monster movie route could be pretty scary in that world.
So sad Affleck wasn't able to put out this movie it sounds incredible. It sounds like a Batman movie that could have been on the same level as the Batman movie that had Heath Ledger playing the Joker.
The part where Batgirl comes in to help Batman defeat Deathstroke seems kind of random to me. So, if this was made (which it won’t be, obviously), I would have hoped they would write a better conclusion than that. Very cool video though! Thank you for the great content. 🙂
Ben Affleck's Batman is the version that would literally scare off criminals from committing crimes. He's "the" Batman from the animated series in my opinion.
@TFoxRNG Keaton does, Bale does, even animated Batman threw the Joker into a fucking chimney. And it's not like he chose not to kill him, he's just lucky that the Joker survived. Cause it was a flight from a moving train to a chimney.
@@MEGATRONFORTNITEAWESOME and a lot of ninjas of the League of shadows in Batman Begins when he explodes the temple, Ra's, Talia, technically her driver.
Point me to the episode where Batman Machine guns a car full of people to death. Or the episode where he’s too stupid to realize he’s being manipulated.
Matt Reeves’ The Batman was a good film. No doubt. But, it was too soon and just not necessary. I, and I think many others, really wanted to see Affleck’s Batman written and directed by Affleck himself. I think we lost something really special when Ben decided he wasn’t doing this film. Maybe, if everything lines up with the new leadership at WB and Ben being in a better space mentally, he’ll change his mind and decide to make his version of The Batman.
Another great and very well researched video from the channel! It's disappointing that Ben Affleck's Batman never came to furniture. Seeing an older and more experienced Batman would've been refreshing for sure, so is the arc the film would've taken in him on, and with the addition of Deathstroke a villain we hadn't seen on the big screen before would've been exciting, especially in the way he was portrait here as systematically destroying Bruce's life, I could easily see this as being an iconic and very intimidating performance based on the whispers alone. I also love the inclusion of Batgirl because again, it's a character we haven't seen before. It will always be shame we will never get to experience this, as I believe it would've brought something new to the Batman franchise with the Arkahm/comic book inspirations, the villain, Bruce's arc, etc.
A big problem with his script is that he doesn't leave much room for continuity. Deathstroke would likely have to die as he knows too much, and other Batman support characters would also have to die.
@@Dissenter Agreed. But like a lot of things with this movie, it's all early concepts and script drafts so we don't really know how the end product would've looked like.
We need the grounded Batman played by Pattinson, then we need a Batman to fight clayface, salmon grundy, killer croc the more comic book villians and Ben Aflecks Batman was perfect for that
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I loved Ben Affleck as Batman, but I did not like Snyder's Batman. It works visually, but not conceptually. If Batman straight up kills without remorse, then what's really left of the character? What inspires the most about him is his restraint and the lengths he's willing to go to help/save someone even if said someone is literally trying to kill him or others. He knows what breaks a person and knows every psychotic villain he faces has also faced despair and lost. Most of the main cast of his rougues gallery represents psychological aspects of Batman himself, which is genuis in terms of writting and character developement because he sees himself in most, if not all of them, and understands them. His methods aren't always top tier, but the fact he keeps himself from crossing that abyss of murderous rampage is what makes him one of the best and most inspiring characters ever concieved. That being said, sometimes you really have to put a rabid dog down and his unwillingness to do so leads to him failing those he tries to protect and his loved ones (Jason Todd for example). Instead of making Batman a killer, they should've explored the conflict between his rule of no killing versus the other members of the JL who are willing to kill like Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
While Keaton will always be the best Batman IMO, I also think there is plenty of room for multiple iterations of Batman. So it would not bother at all to see his Batman live side by side in his own movie with the Patterson films. I enjoy the different stories and timelines. This could have been very cool. I am also saddened that a bunch of the Keaton scenes for multiple upcoming films have been scrapped. Most any new Batman content is usually a good thing. So maybe, just maybe we will get a Batfleck film… 🤷♂️
I'd love to see a more fantastical horror type batman movie similar to what we got in BVS the way they treated Batman. Why does everything have to be hyper realistic. I liked how fast and bad ass he was. He moved like he does in the video games. It made it more exciting to think a peak physical human could keep up with these fantastical meta humans. I cant picture skinny little pattenson standing next to wonder woman... let alone superman. Bring back Batfleck
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Honestly, Affleck's Batman idea just sounds like the Knightfall storyline only with Bane replaced by Deathstroke which, for anybody aware of how much The Dark Knight Rises utilized similar elements from that story (particularly the revenge conspiracy over something fleetingly personal) is disappointingly tedious. The Dark Knight Rises was only about four or five years old prior to Affleck being slated to direct this Batman film, and I think had it gone through and he managed to direct it, it would have been dead on arrival for partly those reasons as well as Affleck's obvious sense of torment in and out of the project. Warner should be grateful the Reeves/Pattinson variation turned out as well as it had, things could have gone much, much worse.
I would have the penguin in this movie because I always felt that Batman and Penguin should be like Eliot Ness and Al Capone from the Untouchables and he would hire Deathstroke for someone Batman to fight.
Most people seem to like The Batman. To me it was the most unnecessary and repetitive film ever. Doesn't help it when I followed Ben way back when he first got the role. But hey that's just me. 17:34 Of course the second biggest Batman hater DC has ever employed next to Tom King would not approve the script.
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I'm the most curious about the introduction of Batgirl. Given the DCEU timeline, it shouldn't have been Barbara Gordon. At this point she should already be in a wheelchair and going by Oracle. Cassandra Cain's Batgirl would have fit into that fight perfectly though.
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Could’ve been the best Batman film yet, as I really like his take on an older, more vengeful Batman that doesn’t hold back as a result of his many years of trauma and loss as both Batman and Bruce Wayne, I only wish we got to see it. I love The Batman but damn I’d still love to see this. Hopefully we’ll continue to see him in stuff moving forward like Aquaman and The Flash but Pattinson is taking over so we’ll see. I love them both so I guess it’s a win either way, but man a guy can hope
Dude I remember hearing he was doing the Batman years ago, I was HYPED! I remember my disappointment when I heard he left the project and was replaced by “the guy from twilight”. GOD IM SO GLAD WE GOT WHAT WE DID and Robert is a fantastic Batman!! But I still would love to see a stand-alone Batfleck film…
They should of made a daredevil born again movie instead of ripping it off. Batman got 80+ history of stories where they can adapt instead of making fanfics.
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The only thing about that is Clooney makes the perfect Bruce whayne and batman if you put him in Keaton's place making it like the first one.and have more like his dusk till dawn character that was the director's fault and directions to make the movie for 4 year olds
Well he did get a Batman flim kinda in BvS I look at it as a Batman film then joins with wonder woman and superman at the end but yes Batman vs Deathstroke would of been amazing.
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IMO, this sounds super derivative of TDKR. If WB had to choose between this and Robat Battinson's version, I'm glad they went with the ladder. I hate the established cannon Snyder set up for Batman anyways, I'm glad they're doing a refresher. Though I still LOVE Affleck in the role, he's still my favorite actor who's dawned the cowl.
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I loved Affleck’s iteration of Batman, despite the quality of the movies he was in. would’ve loved to see this film be made. hope we somehow get an official or standalone version of this script soon
I didn't know the Ben Affleck was dealing with alcoholism, and the divorce from Jennifer Garner while developing the script for The Batman right after he finished Live By Night. Even though he chose not to direct it, having worked on the script, and wanting the final fight with Deathstroke to be like in Arkham Origins Trailer, is really cool. It's unfortunate that working on it had become such a burden, that he abandoned the entire movie. Still, it would have been great to watch a Batman movie with Ben Affleck and Joe Magenello as Deathstroke. That would have been so awesome. I certainly have a lot more respect for him now.
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Fun fact: Joel Schumacher (director of Batman Forever and Batman&Robin) was a huge fan of Frank Miller and Joel’s favorite Batman story was “Batman: Year One”. He said he always wanted to do a live action year one film and (from what I heard) wanted Ben Affleck in the title role 😢oh what we could’ve gotten
Ben definitely came correct as Batman, the only thing I would have changed is him being a killer im BVS, I would have kept him more brutal and have superman be his first attempted kill and him wrestling with the thought of doing it
@@jaylan7847 except he does it all the time, and people weren't up in arms until we saw Ben doing it. Modern day rubbish, especially when bvs through ZSJL is basically his redemption story. Pretty much was the point of batman returns too, just told differently (namely by pinning all the villains as alternative versions of him)
@@TheSigma008 he could have branded people and then prisoners kill the branded like in the extended edition. They could have had him not directly kill the entire film, but make his first choice to kill being Superman.
*I now understand why affleck left the project and role altogether* *1. Personal issues, addiction, divorce* *2. Frustrations with WB and interference* *3. TROUBLED PRODUCTION ON JL*
Respect for Ben Affleck increased
Bruh, i ain't tryna be rude but your profile pic is hilarious compared to what you said 🤣
I always thought affleck wouldn’t be a bad Batman if he had a writer who knew what the character is actually supposed to be
@@jysprk7395 Same
@@DisMan42 I know
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What could have been:
Batman: ,,I don't want to fight you, Slade."
Deathstroke: ,,I wouldn't wanna to fight me neither."
lol
Look, I loved Matt Reeve's Batman movie and I thought Robert Pattinson as Batman kills it and did a great job but I would definitely sacrifice their Batman sequel just to see Ben Affleck's Batman movie
No
@@crimsondragon9099 oh yes, definitely
@@crimsondragon9099 yes
@@nickpetriashvili2863 No
@@nickpetriashvili2863 Hell Yeah!
If This film came out i would've really like Ben's version of batman and i hope affleck gets to make his film
Ok ngl, that ad transition was smooth af
I would've kept dick Grayson alive and made him the one who comes in to help since he's the one with the rivalry with deathstroke in the comics
Makes much more sense than Batgirl
I would've had Barbara in there as oracle and have her replace Alfred's role after he dies
I always assumed that was the Jason Todd outfit we saw and that it was him dead rather than Dick
I'd rather have the Deathstroke movie than the one we got. Not saying it was bad just nothing new to Batman in the movies and Deathstroke would be a formidable foe for the big screen.
More glad we got Reeve's The Batman instead, I love Affleck but his Batman is just so dead and uninteresting.
The story has a predator 87 feel to it aswell. Which is a good thing because after being defeated Batman must resort to his surroundings to defeat a more dangerous threat
BEN AFFLECK is the best BATMAN we had and never had as well.
Would've loved it to be a prequel to Batman v Superman, where we see Robin die and maybe Batgirl getting paralyzed
For some reason, projects that never happen tend to be called greatest or worst. No one can know unless it actually happens. The production part is the hardest and most challenging part of a film. Also, I doubt it would be at least for me. Deathstroke as a main villain? JL characters in it? Batgirl? Sounds like a lot of things going on and more focused on other characters than Batman himself.
Like The Flash movie.
Agreed. While a lot in the movie sounded amazing to me, it also could've been too unfocused as a Batman story. One of the things I loved about The Batman is even with its lengthy runtime, it used it all to tell POV character-study that never shifts focus from Batman the whole time. I won't judge the movie based on plot details, but I would've wanted to see that for Affleck's version.
@@themadtitan7603 I've actually made my own pitch for what Ben Affleck's Batman movie could of been. It seemed to me Batfleck had issues in his past with his family especially with the death of Dick Grayson, apparently a divorce with Selina Kyle, the loss of his parents, and maybe having ties cut to Barbara after Dick died. So I wanted to adapt Son Of Batman lightly where Damian comes into Bruce's life and this becomes his second shot at fatherhood but gets mixed up when Deathstroke and Joker team up. It could be revealed that Grant Wilson, Slade's son, died when Bruce fought him because the Mira Kuru Grant would take was very unstable and Bruce pushed Grant to his limits and that caused him to die. So the story itself is about Bruce becoming a father again and reconnecting with those he's lost contact with like Selina, Babs, Lucius, and anyone else and having to accept the sins of his past which there's alot of. While also being a way to introduce Damian/Robin into the DCEU. And you could still have the third act take place in Arkham showing off many of his supervillains like Riddler, Two-Face, Bane, Clayface, Penguin, Black Mask, Hush, Poison Ivy, Firefly, and many more.
Imagine having a strong villain and interesting side characters in a DC movie.
@@domgeek5632 This sounds like an amazing pitch imo and would definitely have Batfleck's emotional arc right at the centre of the plot, any story that's focused on Batman's relationship and role in the Batfamily and how a struggle within it forces him to change and grow instantly peaks my interests.
I like the theme of Bruce becoming a father again after the death of his son and being involved in the death of a rival's son who's now trying to dismantle his life because of it. Him doing so through by first having to reconnect with his allies is also a good way to feature a lot of the Batfamily in fairly prominent roles.
I don't remember any indication that Selina was married to Bruce at some point in BvS but it'd be again, a good way to feature an ally and have it make sense with the central throughline of the story and it's a good background for the DCEU's Catwoman who we don't about.
I imagine Alfred here shows Bruce there's people that are still there for him and a father he could look up to as inspiration for himself, Gordon shows him that there's still good people left and Barbara is a child figure to Bruce in her own right which could show that he can be a good parental figure and role model to encourage him to face his demons and take up Damien by the end of the film.
I'd be very interested to see what Affleck could've done. Matt Reeves' The Batman was pretty good, but it falls apart in some places. His Batman doesn't so much figure out clues as much as he blurts out answers to riddles, and in some cases others just tell him what to do because he can't figure it out on his own. The ending was kind of forced, where Nigma had all been about justice and exposing the corruption of the city for the entire movie...until the ending where he wants to drown half the town for no good reason (kick the cat). Ben Affleck's Batman script feels more emotional and brutal.
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In the alternate universe, this film came out
Yes! Always sad that Batfleck didn't have longer with the cowl.
this could have been quite something to watch
we lost something, but we gained something again after a long wait (the batman)
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I'm more happy that we got the Reeves/Pattinson Batman. Reeves has demonstrated that he is a bigger fan of Batman, more than Affleck.
Both Affleck and Reeves are talented directors so we would have gotten a quality Batman movie either way
@@WarpingFist Agreed. Both scripts are interested in delving into Batman's psyche and I would've been intrigued to see how Affleck would've crafted a story that had his Batman go through trials and tribulations where he comes out of it a more hopeful, faithful Batman who abides by the no kill rule again.
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Reeves isn’t a “bigger fan” of Batman. Why would there be no dichotomy between Batman and Bruce Wayne? It’s ridiculous and it completely misses the whole point of the alter ego aspect of the character.
I would’ve loved to have seen Leslie Grace play Batfleck’s Batgirl.
Um no, there are much better actresses to choose from.
I supose Ana De Armas as Catwoman
I imagine Robert Pattisons Batman had the same plot as what Batflecks batman was supposed to be.
I love this Batman! Now, we’re going to get Ben Afflict Batman Vs death stroke that’s what I heard.
The DCEU is the biggest missed opportunity ever. However the destruction of it all eventually lead to The Batman, which was perfect imo
Make the Batfleck Movie!
Chances are it would of been as forgettable as the rest of the DCEU. Its easy to pretend it was gonna be amazing when its never coming out.
Haa this movie should have been released it is like a blood raging assasin deathstroke vs old man batman this is going to be more brutal for Ben affleck batman WB should have green light this project it could have been the best batman movie ever
This is pretty much knightfall and dark knight rises
Just because it didn’t come to fruition, doesn’t mean it was destined for greatness. Not trying to be a hater, but the chance it would’ve been better than Matt Reeves film is extremely unlikely.
Where is that shot at 1:16 from?
Everything was cool until “batgirl” saving the day… maybe she helps him escape with his life… then batman meeds to find his strength and return!
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I am want to see Cavil n Ben team up again for a DC movie!! Or an HBO limited series
The one time they would have made the Batfamily, they wanted to kill them off. No thank you. I would love a solo Batfleck movies but not like this.
I would have made it similar to Arkham Origins but with a veteran Batman, not a rookie. The Rogues Gallery going to war against Gotham and the Batfamily to stop then would have been great. Have Deathstroke lead the Rogues and fight Batman like the game intro as the final battle.
A high octane action movie like Mission Impossible, not a super dark movie like Halloween
Affleck got cheated. he was, in my opinion the best batman but was featured in subpar movies. what a shame. he had good ideas for future films too but that was a no go
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Well he actually cheated jennifer lol
Best bad-asse Batman ever! Vengeance is not a fighting skill, what BatFleck did in the warehouse scene will go down in history as one of the best fight scenes in all of superhero history!
respect tbh especially at the end thats alot
“According to Ben Afflecks fiends” you couldn’t have just said Matt Damon
The best Batman’s are the dark knight returns part 1 and 2. No question about it.
Sounds like arrow season 2
Why’d you delete the other one?
I privated it due to how old it was. Theres not really a point in having two videos on the same topic. Plus, I watched it and thought it wasn’t very good.
@@WarpingFist Really? I thought it was great, but I understand.
Bro sounds like he's freestyling
We were so robbed of this.
🦇JLA universe come on Scott 🦇
Even after watching the Robert's take on the batman, I still want that Batfleck movie. Idc what people say.
Ben Affleck's Batman was by far the best we've seen, I hope one day we get a stand alone film, I'm still holding out hope.
best? nah you straight riding son
@@RyanGP1203_MemeLordnope..
Ben is definitely the best💯 give credit when do.
More comic accurate
I don’t think it’s gonna happen
@@A_Valeskathe most comic accurate thing about him is his suit
@@A_Valeskabro he kills people. That’s Batman’s one rule.
To be fair Batfleck Fight scenes is the best batman fight scene ever of all the Batman movie so far..the dude is just the batman we imagine n picture in the comic as how strong n calculated as well as fast n brutal
He’s literally the film adaptation of the Arkham batman
@@innamispirit6471 HOW in what way is he the film adaptation of the Arkham Batman at all... He's was the film adaptation of the dark knight returns Batman and justice league. Lol where the hell did you get this take from. And I'm wondering why people even agree with you
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@@jefferyflood He literally performs the same takedowns with the same movements as Arkham Batman. Any real Batman fan would immediately see Battfleck as a mixture of TDKR Batman and Arkhamverse Batman.
@@johnwest6083 exactly
As much as i loved Pattinson's Version I personally hope ben gets his Batman Film Before it's Too Late I would mind if both Versions Co Exist
If I had a nickel for every time a Batman Movie was inspired by a David Fincher movie, I’d have two nickels. Which, isn’t a lot, but it’s wired that it happened twice.
This Batman film sounds like it could've been something very special, but what Matt Reeves gave us was epic. I think looking back at it, the combination of Ben's personal life (divorce from Jennifer Garner, alcoholism) along with the added pressure from fans, the media, and WB led to him not being passionate anymore about the film and wanting to get away as far as possible. This guy proved he was an amazing filmmaker, and yet WB/DC couldn't just give him the creative liberty they gave Matt Reeves to allow him to make the film as near perfect as possible? It really sounds like something of a gem.
Agreed. Also you have to take into consideration the Marvel shill critics and media outlets, who would trash every DCEU film to make Marvel look good.
Though the Batfleck movie sounds like it would have been way better.
@@markmolino679 This statement is the absolute truth and it needs to be more known among the audiences. I swear if I didn't know any better, Marvel/Disney paid off critics to purposely slander and undermine DC films. Fans and critics absolutely loved The Dark Knight Trilogy and the seriousness and realism it brought to comic book films. Then all of a sudden Joss Whedon makes Avengers 1 and lays out a template that sacrifices quality filmmaking for cheap laughs and fun to make it very accessible to mainstream audiences. Then apparently if any company didn't follow this template, the the critics would condemn the movie.
Now fast forward ten years and we see what the majority of these superhero movies have De-evolved into. Marvel/Disney is literally going through it's Ouroboros stage in life and DC has been maimed ever since and self sabotaged from within. It's very sad that the right lessons weren't learned from what Christopher Nolan brought to the genre. Zack had the right idea. Had Zack started making his films right now, they would be regarded much much differently.
It's really sad actually. As a life time comic reader to see so many of these films come out and not respect the source material, let alone it's own integrity as a movie. It's a little soul crushing. I do feel The Sam Raimi films and also the X-Men films had their hearts in the right place. I still cringe whenever I think about what Disney will do when they make their own X-Men films. That company is simply not the right fit for that type of comic book movie and the serious themes and drama that need to happen within them. The Fox movies may have not been perfect, but thematically they were in tact and there was some incredible acting in them as well.
@@DemonKnight85 avengers 1 is awesome and the mcu had a portion of good movies.
@@arturocastroverde3349 I mean when Avengers 1 came out and it was close to when the Dark Knight Rises came out. It was like the complete opposite of what I though super hero movies should strive for. It was the opposite of what Christopher Nolan was doing. I think Avengers 1 and Joss Whedon set a terrible precedent that superhero movies have been following ever since.
That being said I do recognize that some people would prefer their superhero movies to be more fun and not to be taken seriously. To me the only marvel movies I really enjoyed were Captain America: Winter Soldier, Thor 1, and Infinity War. I'm really not too crazy bout any of the others. And also while they followed their formula, Marvel wasn't quite off the rails as they are now. They've certainly self indulged and aimed the genre to go right off a cliff into oblivion. And don't get me started on the newest Spiderman Trilogy.... I'd take Sam Raimi or Garfield movies any day over those movies and those new Spiderman movies are like exactly the type of throw away movies I can't stand. And apparently they have a extreme hatred of upholding or using any source material whatsoever.
I can never get enough of hearing about this story. Batfleck is my favorite iteration of the character and I’ll be forever saddened he never got to do this film.
I can agree, I always thought it was strange that we never saw a mentally scarred or broken Batman in the comics, so being able to see that even if only briefly in BvS makes me happy and also sad we didn’t get this movie
Love that we got The Batman. I love the movie and that is MY Batman. But I would've definitely loved to see a horror movie esque type, seeing Professor Pyg in that concept art would've been awesome to see that looks so creepy
We literally got a Batman horror with Reeves wdym? 🤦
@@DA11AZ not really at least to me. It was creepy at alot of parts yeah but for me it wasnt that much horror.
@@zenthenerdgamer4649 well I think there's Batman horror fan films
@@zenthenerdgamer4649 More noir/ classic Gotham style than horror. Reeves knocked it out of the park with that movie, but I still would have loved to see Ben's film too. I could definitely see the Reeves Batman sequels crossing into the horror element if they ever explore characters like Clayface, Mad Hatter, and Scarecrow. Killer Croc and Man Bat if you wanna go the monster movie route could be pretty scary in that world.
@@maxkull2899 agreed
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So sad Affleck wasn't able to put out this movie it sounds incredible. It sounds like a Batman movie that could have been on the same level as the Batman movie that had Heath Ledger playing the Joker.
The part where Batgirl comes in to help Batman defeat Deathstroke seems kind of random to me. So, if this was made (which it won’t be, obviously), I would have hoped they would write a better conclusion than that.
Very cool video though! Thank you for the great content. 🙂
Ben Affleck's Batman is the version that would literally scare off criminals from committing crimes. He's "the" Batman from the animated series in my opinion.
@TFoxRNG Tell that to Michael Keaton's plane with built-in machine gun. Every iteration of Batman murders people indirectly.
@TFoxRNG Keaton does, Bale does, even animated Batman threw the Joker into a fucking chimney. And it's not like he chose not to kill him, he's just lucky that the Joker survived. Cause it was a flight from a moving train to a chimney.
@@ferdinandofallica5869 Bale didn't kill on purpose the entire reason he quit being batman was because he killed someone (Harvey Dent)
@@MEGATRONFORTNITEAWESOME and a lot of ninjas of the League of shadows in Batman Begins when he explodes the temple, Ra's, Talia, technically her driver.
Point me to the episode where Batman Machine guns a car full of people to death. Or the episode where he’s too stupid to realize he’s being manipulated.
Matt Reeves’ The Batman was a good film. No doubt. But, it was too soon and just not necessary. I, and I think many others, really wanted to see Affleck’s Batman written and directed by Affleck himself.
I think we lost something really special when Ben decided he wasn’t doing this film. Maybe, if everything lines up with the new leadership at WB and Ben being in a better space mentally, he’ll change his mind and decide to make his version of The Batman.
Which movie is necessary lol
Another great and very well researched video from the channel!
It's disappointing that Ben Affleck's Batman never came to furniture. Seeing an older and more experienced Batman would've been refreshing for sure, so is the arc the film would've taken in him on, and with the addition of Deathstroke a villain we hadn't seen on the big screen before would've been exciting, especially in the way he was portrait here as systematically destroying Bruce's life, I could easily see this as being an iconic and very intimidating performance based on the whispers alone. I also love the inclusion of Batgirl because again, it's a character we haven't seen before.
It will always be shame we will never get to experience this, as I believe it would've brought something new to the Batman franchise with the Arkahm/comic book inspirations, the villain, Bruce's arc, etc.
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Ben Affleck is Ben Affleck’s worst enemy. He is no victim, he reaped what you sowed.
A big problem with his script is that he doesn't leave much room for continuity. Deathstroke would likely have to die as he knows too much, and other Batman support characters would also have to die.
@@Dissenter Agreed. But like a lot of things with this movie, it's all early concepts and script drafts so we don't really know how the end product would've looked like.
We need the grounded Batman played by Pattinson, then we need a Batman to fight clayface, salmon grundy, killer croc the more comic book villians and Ben Aflecks Batman was perfect for that
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I loved Ben Affleck as Batman, but I did not like Snyder's Batman. It works visually, but not conceptually. If Batman straight up kills without remorse, then what's really left of the character? What inspires the most about him is his restraint and the lengths he's willing to go to help/save someone even if said someone is literally trying to kill him or others. He knows what breaks a person and knows every psychotic villain he faces has also faced despair and lost. Most of the main cast of his rougues gallery represents psychological aspects of Batman himself, which is genuis in terms of writting and character developement because he sees himself in most, if not all of them, and understands them. His methods aren't always top tier, but the fact he keeps himself from crossing that abyss of murderous rampage is what makes him one of the best and most inspiring characters ever concieved. That being said, sometimes you really have to put a rabid dog down and his unwillingness to do so leads to him failing those he tries to protect and his loved ones (Jason Todd for example). Instead of making Batman a killer, they should've explored the conflict between his rule of no killing versus the other members of the JL who are willing to kill like Wonder Woman and Aquaman.
While Keaton will always be the best Batman IMO, I also think there is plenty of room for multiple iterations of Batman. So it would not bother at all to see his Batman live side by side in his own movie with the Patterson films. I enjoy the different stories and timelines.
This could have been very cool. I am also saddened that a bunch of the Keaton scenes for multiple upcoming films have been scrapped. Most any new Batman content is usually a good thing. So maybe, just maybe we will get a Batfleck film… 🤷♂️
I'd love to see a more fantastical horror type batman movie similar to what we got in BVS the way they treated Batman. Why does everything have to be hyper realistic. I liked how fast and bad ass he was. He moved like he does in the video games. It made it more exciting to think a peak physical human could keep up with these fantastical meta humans. I cant picture skinny little pattenson standing next to wonder woman... let alone superman. Bring back Batfleck
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Omg Robot Ben Affleck responded to me.
This movie looks like it would be awesome. Anyways great job Warpingfist your channel is fantastic
Honestly, Affleck's Batman idea just sounds like the Knightfall storyline only with Bane replaced by Deathstroke which, for anybody aware of how much The Dark Knight Rises utilized similar elements from that story (particularly the revenge conspiracy over something fleetingly personal) is disappointingly tedious. The Dark Knight Rises was only about four or five years old prior to Affleck being slated to direct this Batman film, and I think had it gone through and he managed to direct it, it would have been dead on arrival for partly those reasons as well as Affleck's obvious sense of torment in and out of the project. Warner should be grateful the Reeves/Pattinson variation turned out as well as it had, things could have gone much, much worse.
I would have the penguin in this movie because I always felt that Batman and Penguin should be like Eliot Ness and Al Capone from the Untouchables and he would hire Deathstroke for someone Batman to fight.
Most people seem to like The Batman. To me it was the most unnecessary and repetitive film ever. Doesn't help it when I followed Ben way back when he first got the role. But hey that's just me.
17:34 Of course the second biggest Batman hater DC has ever employed next to Tom King would not approve the script.
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It definitely is a film I wanted to see even though I really liked The Batman.
I'm the most curious about the introduction of Batgirl. Given the DCEU timeline, it shouldn't have been Barbara Gordon. At this point she should already be in a wheelchair and going by Oracle. Cassandra Cain's Batgirl would have fit into that fight perfectly though.
Ben is my favorite Batman, I wish this came to pass
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Zack Snyder, Ben Affleck and Henry Cavill were fucked over.
Batman vs Deathstroke is a movie we need with Ben Affleck
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It's not gonna happen
Could’ve been the best Batman film yet, as I really like his take on an older, more vengeful Batman that doesn’t hold back as a result of his many years of trauma and loss as both Batman and Bruce Wayne, I only wish we got to see it. I love The Batman but damn I’d still love to see this. Hopefully we’ll continue to see him in stuff moving forward like Aquaman and The Flash but Pattinson is taking over so we’ll see. I love them both so I guess it’s a win either way, but man a guy can hope
Dude I remember hearing he was doing the Batman years ago, I was HYPED! I remember my disappointment when I heard he left the project and was replaced by “the guy from twilight”. GOD IM SO GLAD WE GOT WHAT WE DID and Robert is a fantastic Batman!! But I still would love to see a stand-alone Batfleck film…
Regret for the past
Rage for the present
Fear for the future
Truly a broken man. A man who can kill a God in Superman.
Great video, does not trash anyone, simply just explores Ben's lost film.
It is shame we did not get to see this film, it would have been amazing.
I don't know why the fans have to fight it out...Multiverse that shit and give us 30 different interpretations !
Thts sad bcos its so much of effort gone...i wish it had released. it would been really gud..
Affleck LOOKS the most like Bruce Wayne.
Ben's agent look like a really old Bale
We'll have a better day when this premieres lol. Always wish there was more to each one bc I enjoy them that much.
They should of made a daredevil born again movie instead of ripping it off. Batman got 80+ history of stories where they can adapt instead of making fanfics.
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I thought Ben hated playing Batman?? I didn't like his Batman. The suit was awesome and his whole fighting style. I never cared for him anyway...
the fact that george clooney got a batman film and ben affleck didn’t should be counted as a federal crime.
The only thing about that is Clooney makes the perfect Bruce whayne and batman if you put him in Keaton's place making it like the first one.and have more like his dusk till dawn character that was the director's fault and directions to make the movie for 4 year olds
Well he did get a Batman flim kinda in BvS I look at it as a Batman film then joins with wonder woman and superman at the end but yes Batman vs Deathstroke would of been amazing.
@@blairbailey6199 nah it was a superman movie, supposed to be a man of steel sequel, shit was wack.
also true batman v deathstroke woulda been so good
you can bet if I get to travel to parallel universes, the one where his movie was made would be on the list.
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Why does Matt Reeves look like Commissioner gordon
Nah, it’s just that 90% of the planets population absolutely despises Ben
We were robbed of the greatest movie that could have ever been made 😔
IMO, this sounds super derivative of TDKR. If WB had to choose between this and Robat Battinson's version, I'm glad they went with the ladder. I hate the established cannon Snyder set up for Batman anyways, I'm glad they're doing a refresher. Though I still LOVE Affleck in the role, he's still my favorite actor who's dawned the cowl.
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I really wanted this movie. I feel like it could've even been better than The Batman.
Joe looked badass as Deathstroke
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I personally would love to see Ben’s vision come to life in a HBO Max series
I mean HBO Max would love to take it...Especially since thier on fire right now and not in the good way
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I loved Affleck’s iteration of Batman, despite the quality of the movies he was in. would’ve loved to see this film be made. hope we somehow get an official or standalone version of this script soon
When this man said:moved on
Inner we just went :Aaaaashhhhhhhhhhhhhaaashhhjhhhh
I didn't know the Ben Affleck was dealing with alcoholism, and the divorce from Jennifer Garner while developing the script for The Batman right after he finished Live By Night. Even though he chose not to direct it, having worked on the script, and wanting the final fight with Deathstroke to be like in Arkham Origins Trailer, is really cool. It's unfortunate that working on it had become such
a burden, that he abandoned the entire movie. Still, it would have been great to watch a Batman movie with Ben Affleck and Joe Magenello as Deathstroke. That would have been so
awesome. I certainly have a lot more respect for him now.
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Fun fact: Joel Schumacher (director of Batman Forever and Batman&Robin) was a huge fan of Frank Miller and Joel’s favorite Batman story was “Batman: Year One”.
He said he always wanted to do a live action year one film and (from what I heard) wanted Ben Affleck in the title role 😢oh what we could’ve gotten
Being a dc fan = PAIN
Ben definitely came correct as Batman, the only thing I would have changed is him being a killer im BVS, I would have kept him more brutal and have superman be his first attempted kill and him wrestling with the thought of doing it
Batman being a killer is a part of the developpment of his character
@@TheSigma008 How so? Because the people who usually argue this seem to be edgelords who don't know or respect the character.
@@jaylan7847 except he does it all the time, and people weren't up in arms until we saw Ben doing it. Modern day rubbish, especially when bvs through ZSJL is basically his redemption story. Pretty much was the point of batman returns too, just told differently (namely by pinning all the villains as alternative versions of him)
@@TheSigma008 oh if u lose faith in humanity, you can now kill people? look how that turn out with Luke Skywalker in the sequels
@@TheSigma008 he could have branded people and then prisoners kill the branded like in the extended edition. They could have had him not directly kill the entire film, but make his first choice to kill being Superman.
"Greatest batman film" lmao it wasn't even made
batfleck was basically Wolverine
Wolverine the GOAT of marvel
I feel so sorry for Ben Affleck, he had so much potential. It's too bad he had a horrible script
*I now understand why affleck left the project and role altogether*
*1. Personal issues, addiction, divorce*
*2. Frustrations with WB and interference*
*3. TROUBLED PRODUCTION ON JL*